Wild Court Moments #90 Throuple!
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My 16 year old daughter watched this with me and remarked how lucky she was never to have to go into CPS supervision, see at least one of her parents every day (except when staying with grandparents etc) and always know where she would be sleeping every night of her life. Her issue was not with the "lifestyle" but the dislocation to the kids. This sudden appreciation didn't get her out of unloading the dishwasher BTW.
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Healthy, functional same sex couples and non-traditional households are fine. Making her kids sleep on the couch in the same room with some drifter is crazy, no matter who is sleeping with who.
Your daughter seems pretty smart to me (but she needs to find a better way to get out of unloading the dishwasher).
She's trying to get her children back , and she thinks this is a good decision? I 'm with you on this Mike.
What if she was in a relationship with a black man or a woman of any race?
@@rbell7666 what does that have to do with it? Color does not matter in any situation. This “lady” is putting herself way ahead of the safety of her babies and is lying to the court. These kids deserve better than living in such an unstable environment.
@@rbell7666 That has nothing to do with it. The issue is that she put her children in bad situations because she cares only for herself. As a single woman, what she does on her own time is her business, but you never bring the kids into it especially when your bad decisions put them in foster care in the first place.
Seriously?
@@bettyheerema3028 It has everything to do with it.
The first time the mother let a stranger sleep with her children should’ve been the last time she ever has contact with them. Protect the children at all cost.
It's not a stranger if it's one of the yiff pile member
The issue isn’t the couple, it’s the fact that she brought the kids into the new relationship way too soon. Parents do this way too often, even in monogamous relationships.
The absolute strogest point is that the mother did not choose to sleep with the children and the sister did. THAT was selfish.
It would have been rather odd if the sister slept in the same bed with their sibling and their partner…
@@MichiganCrimeTime There's a floor. If you can't provide a safe environment for your children......
@@seantimmons5900 ??? That would have been weird. And pretty sure kids would have asked a lot more questions. Most adults don’t sleep on the floor.
That being said, that particular environment doesn’t sound safe, especially the kids sleeping on the couch with someone they don’t really know…
I would agree I wouldn’t argue about the relationship rather that they were in a new home, and a person who was not their mother was sleeping with them, that seems inappropriate. But judging the relationship you get into morality and ethics and who is anyone to suggest on that. As we all have a different set of morality and ethical boundaries. There are people who believe that as a lesbian I should not have children, are they right? What I can tell you is if I did have a child they would have their own bed. And if we had to stay somewhere that was not my home, then I would sleep with them to make them more comfortable. And that has nothing to do with my sexuality, or morality, just doing what is best for a child
@@MichiganCrimeTime Maybe the sister shouldn’t slept there that night, or maybe she should’ve gotten a hotel instead that night🤷
Her sexual preference is irrelevant. From what I heard she has precious little time with her kids and instead of spending time with them she decided to make others a priority. In my opinion her being a mom was already in question.
Her sexual preference is relevant, it shows her lack of morals and self respect.
@@65cj55 not that as mush as these people tend to be narcissists if the trans community are anything to go by, and they are all under the same evil rainbow flag
@@65cj55 No, her morality is not impacted in the least by her sexual preferences. Her morality IS impacted by her problematic hierarchy of needs. Pro tip, comments like yours scream homophobia
@@seantimmons5900 No, not homophobic, don't even go there, she's disgusting, has no self respect and lacks morals.
yea, that was a big one.. one of the attorneys mentioned it (I forget which one) and really made my jaw drop. This was a short time where she was allowed visitation and she used it to spend time with her fuck buddies instead of her kids? I mean, at least she can say she knew where the kids were (they were in the same home), but still you'd think she'd want every moment available to her to be near them.
granted, she could have had visitation with them all day and this is just where they crashed for the evening. but that doesn't make it a much better picture for me, just a tiny bit better.
Mike! You posted a clip from my practice area! I've been in front of Judge Adams many times! He only recently retired as the judge for the 169th Judicial District Court of Bell County, Texas. Crazy coincidence. When I started the video, I heard his voice and did a cartoonish double-take 🤣
Mike I agree with you 100%, I’m sick of parents getting by with the trash they put their children through.
I totally agree with you Mike! Dark times are ahead of us 😐
I know many adults add to moms to dad. What they do behind closed doors nobody’s business. Period and don’t call anybody trash just because you don’t approve of a lifestyle.
@@amberdsny1124 If people have a choice then absolutely they have they can make good and bad choices BUT.... Jordyn appears to be looking for support and found people who are taking advantage of her. Im willing to put money on the fact they coached her what to say in this. Kids having to sleep on a sofa... If the lifestyle puts the kids on the bottom rung then something needs to be done.
@@amberdsny1124when it comes to children and their health, safety and development you are absolutely incorrect! What adults do behind closed doors can 1000% effect their children in negative ways. ADULTS can do whatever they want behind closed doors (whether it be good for them or not) as long as it not negatively effecting other people in their neighborhood or society. But when CHILDREN are involved, there are certaintly things that adults CANNOT do "behind closed doors" because it can negatively impact the healthy development of children. Children are vulnerable and highly impressionable. And if certain things are done that are negatively affecting the healthy emotional, physical or spiritual development of a child then it is 1000% the business of others to protect that child. Period point blank
For me it’s not the fact that she’s in a thruple it’s that she put that over the welfare of her children. She knew that in order to get unsupervised visitation the kids couldn’t be around men and yet she brought them to a house with strangers including men and left them alone.
Your right to feel the way you do. She couldn't even try to act like a caring Mother for 2 days.
As a former foster parent I can attest to the damage done by parents like this. I found it telling that when she was denied her unsupervised visits she barely reacted. A mother who was desperately trying to get her children back and made headway over a year to have that small victory snatched away would be devastated. I also noted that she "picked her children up from daycare at 1" which indicates that these are very young kids. If someone was intending on harming them on this couch it's likely she wouldn't even know.
Wow! I am 100 percent in agreement with you Mike. Well said!!
Just fyi polyamory is different than polygamy. Words matter.
I’m aware I used one in the thumb and another in the description.
I’m glad this was stated.
As others have said, the children were ALREADY under CPS care. It sounds as if a very LARGE part of that had to do with the choices she was making in regards to who she was letting into the children's lives via her relationships. I'm guessing that the point where she started missing sessions coincided with the point where she deep-dived into this relationship. Quitting your job and moving in with whoever you have just entered into a new relationship with (and let's not pretend that this isn't EXACTLY what she did) are rightfully red flags at this point, regardless if she is in a couple or a thruple or whatever you call larger groupings.
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@@LawTalkWithMike Ah so now I know what a clusterfuck is 🤣
And the excuse: I quit the job (that pays me money so that I could buy a new car) because my car was old. That is some serious cognitive dissonance. I am mostly with Mike in the judgement, but I am thinking... You are in this relationship, you can not stay home, you go to this couple. The problem comes after: You STAY with your children when they are there. Letting strangers sleep with your kids may end up with strangers sleeping with your kids...
@@artomies1972 you're absolutely correct, you put it too nicely though. Not being with your children may end in your kids being sexually or otherwise molested. 😡
I agree with 💯 percent. This "mom" is selfish, getting her skewed needs met. NO child should be involved in this mess.
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The problem isn't differing familial dynamics Mike...she lost her children for a reason in the first place, the reason wasn't frivolous. One has to have their personal ducks in a row, to be an effective parent (especially as a sole one) and this girl is lookin' for someone to take care of "her" while leaving her children to care of others. The throuple att. hit the nail on the head, the issue was she should have been sleepin' on the couch with her kids. Of a mind, given her mentality, her kids will be growing up in foster care.
Honestly (as someone who has worked in this field), this has been going on forever - multiple people living in one home or apartment and all having sex with each other and having kids that get ignored a lot. The only thing that is new is that people are more willing to talk about it openly.
And I really really love Mr. Messer.
There is nothing new under the sun but the disintegration of the nuclear family and acceptance is a relatively recent phenomenon. I know I’m old fashioned but I just haven’t gotten comfortable with it.
@@LawTalkWithMike If our society (and thusly, too, our social expectations) were set up with polygamy in mind, then this might make more sense to everyone involved and observing. Instead - and much like Amber Heard - what we have here is just a ridiculous friggin' MESS. Sad.
Exactly what I said!
@@LawTalkWithMike Except that people have always had relationships that others knew about, and that were ignored as long as they didn't frighten the horses.
Agree with you 100% Mike, if you don't have kids, do your thing but once you do, their needs come first, always.
Your statement, that “this is the way the world is going,” is very overstated. I don’t know the percentage of polyamorous relationships but I sincerely doubt it’s higher than the in the past…it just wasn’t out in the open. This woman seems like she has issues, but if she were in a relationship with a man alone, how is that different? It doesn’t sound like an ideal place for children, but I’d say the same if she were in a dominate relationship with a man whose history is unknown.
Nope....the traditional family is gone, Mike said lol.
I agree with you and it breaks my heart when children are stuck with these kind of people.
The problem was she went to bed and left the kids sleeping on the couch with someone else instead of the mother
How big was this couch anyway?
The issue isn't her relationship status. Even if it were just a man the issues would remain the same. Honestly, she's not even close to the worst cases so I'm not nearly as offended or worried.
100% correct.
If she were in a relationship with one person I don't think lawyers would be asking her "do you ever fuck in front of your kids?" in court though.
Same
This isn’t even the worst we have watched on this channel from more traditional families units
There was a story on reddit on how someone posted about growing up with polyamorous parents. He's in college now, and in therapy and there was some tv show that was wanted to interview him bc his parents thought they'd done a terrific job raising him. But instead, he never felt safe. He never knew who the adults coming and going from his home. His birthdays were with random strangers and severely messed him up.
No judgement on her relationship, but it can severely mess up kid's development.
Funny, the kids I've know who grew up in Poly relationships always had a parent at home, always had someone to turn to b/c they had 4 stable parents living in their home.
It's almost like "Polyamory" covers a range of relationship types.
It's almost like your relationship type has nothing to do with how good a parent you are.
@@drtaverner How many would that be? Despite your anecdotal experience, it is well established fact that a child is more likely to suffer abuse by an adult in the home who isn't the parent. And that is for any kind relationship straight, gay, bi, poly whatever.
@@impalamama7302 That's my exact point, the form of the relationship is irrelevant, only whether the people are suitable to act in a parental role.
@@drtaverner No, I think you've missed my point. Children are more likely to be abused by adults who are not their parents. They are being put at risk by introducing them to just one sexual partner in a traditional relationship let alone two or more sexual partners in a promiscuous one. In this case you have a couple with a child taking in a vulnerable young woman with children for sole reason to spice up their sex life. And there were other adults around as well in the house for unknown reasons.
This situation wouldn't have ended well for the children had it been allowed to continue.
@@impalamama7302 True polyamory isn't about "spicing up your sex life" or being promiscuous. That's a misunderstanding of their relationship structure. If you're bringing someone to live in your house, whether it's one person or more, you'd better be sure of them in the first place. That's a commitment, regardless of the number of adults involved.
I totally agree! Her#1 responsibility is to protect her children. She never should have left her kids with some random guy!
Mike - this video should have come with a "go to the liquor store first" warning.
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The issue is that these children were already under CPS care before she started the "arrangement". She was only seeing the kids at weekends. She was on the way to getting more access. Did she honestly think that starting this situation would make it happen faster? Are we sure she is 100% willing? Could her situation mean that she is actually being exploited herself? She hardly gives off a sound judgement and decision making history.
These people do not care! I've been a foster parent. They'll show up for visits high, drunk and combative and poed that they don't have their children. Then they will accuse the person taking care of their child who has serious drug withdrawal bc the mother couldn't stop drinking while pregnant of abusing their baby prompting police to come to the house. They photographed everything. Saw no abuse. Hubby almost told agency to take the baby back. I was on no sleep. Drug babies are no joke. It is impossible to swaddle them. They are so strong they will wriggle out and as soon as they do, WAAAAHHHH.
Anyway, I've seen all kinds of parents who se to have no clue as to how to get their kids back. They really have no way to form an actual thought that would be good for their baby.
@@donnalynn2 And they wonder why good foster parents are hard to find. Thanks for all your family did for the children of others. Had we not been moving as much UK/USA it's something we considered at one time.
Just because you don’t think polyamory is ok, doesn’t mean one is being exploited.
@@MichiganCrimeTime I have stated no view on polyamory. Where is my opinion on it stated above? I raised the exploitation as a possibility not a fact. Hence the question marks.
@@maxinekennedy5888 it’s was your use of quotation marks on the word arrangement. Also referring to polyamory and kink as trafficking.
This is heartbreaking. I feel for these kids. My mom was a single parent and she protected us.
The fact she doesn't know how to pronounce the last name of the person who was sleeping with her children, says a lot.
I am a GAL (Guardian ad Litem aka CASA), and I speak on behalf of the children. Before I go on, I want to say there are SEVERAL issues being thrown in here as one big one. Let's break them down. Scenario #1): Mom has had a 5 yr. polyamory relationship, raising her two young children in the home with the couple. Mom loses her kids due to drugs. Mom goes through all the classes and does everything the Department ordered. RECOMMENDATION: Children be returned to Mom. (Yes, in the same home with her throuple relationship. Scenerio #2) The case we just saw. This is an ongoing case. Mom is not consistently compliant with therapy. Mom is obviously impulsive. Mom does not have a home, a job, a car, or any way to care for her children. In the midst of everything, she randomly throws in a throuple situation where she has only known these people for a month. Mom sleeps on a bed with the door open (dressed, but still), introducing her children to a sleeping situation they have never seen before. RECOMMENDATION: Supervised visits for Mom. IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: The normal nuclear family is not the one where it's mom, dad, and child. They may be mom and mom or dad and dad; they also do not all look alike. Just something to think about before speaking or writing. Words have meaning and therefore, can be misinterpreted. For example, in an essay, I once wrote, "The Richardson children come from a traditional white nuclear family..." My professor pointed out that by me saying that, I am saying that normality equates to being white. I was horrified because I am not racist, homophobic.... anything like that at all.
Glad to see this less pearl-clutching perspective.
Mike, “in the bed with the throuple” (😂), is right up there with the “tallywacker” scene from Porkys. 🤣 I agree with you completely at the end. She had kids, now she needs to take care of them and bring them up properly to be decent and productive members of society. Her romantic life takes a back seat to caring for the kids!
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For me, the issue isn't the polyamory, it's that, already being a CPS case, the home and the occupants were not yet approved, the children don't have an appropriate, private sleeping space (where does the couple's 18 month old sleep?), other unapproved adults sleep in the home, it's a far too recent relationship to introduce the kids to and finally, there are troubing undue influence/coercive control concerns for the mother.
Mike...I'm in agreement with you. She was thinking of herself and not her children. I love your channel, it's my late night viewing channel of choice. Thanks for all the great content!
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I agree with you 💯. If she can’t protect her children, someone else should.
Clearly a mother putting her own desires ahead of her children’s needs.
We definitely need the thruples on loop 💃🕺💃
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Absolutely agree with you Mike. Sending love light and positive vibes from Ontario Canada ❤
No matter what you think of her relationship choices, nothing changes the fact that STRANGERS WERE SLEEPING WITH HER KIDS ON THE COUCH.
Thank God that there's attorneys that will take over these cases on behalf of these children
My thoughts halfway through the video: This is a bad situation for the kids, regardless of the mom's relationship status. Going to a house they don't know, sleeping on a couch with people who they only met on zoom, mom not having a job or a car, its needless chaos in the kids lives. I don't know if they usually stay with the father, or if they're in a foster home, but they deserve more stability than this. As far as the throuple thing goes, who cares? So long as a child has good role models and is safe, they could be raised in a hextouple. Nuclear families produce fucked up people, so it's not like that's a tried and true method. Keep your kids safe, teach them well, and don't be a bad example. This mom isn't fit to have her kids based on what I've seen.
Please don’t change, Mike. You’re the BEST!!!
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I'm with you, Mike. If people want to be in these kinds of relationships where they are bringing strangers into their children's lives, do it before you have children or at least know these people for more than a month! Have we not learned anything from the Jared Fogel or Ian Watkins cases? It takes a lot of thinking to decide that children are not in your future, but we live in a society where women are having children to men they hardly know and then expecting everyone to support their decisions. She didn't want to live with her mother because her mother worked and she didn't want to be home alone? Seriously? More likely her mother told her to get a job. She has a lot of growing up to do before I would give those kids to her unsupervised. The only people I feel sorry for in this debacle are the children.
I'm with you on this, Mike: she can swing from the rafters with her throuple or quadrouple or whatever and engage in whatever conduct among consenting adults AS LONG AS SHE HONORS HER COMMITMENT TO HER CHILDREN. She's clearly not honoring her parental responsibilities, and that's what's disgusting about her and her case.
My wife and I are in a poly relationship. It works for us. Truly communication is critical, be honest, with yourself and others.
Mike!!! Good morning and Happy Wednesday! The old adage of "give someone an inch, they'll take a foot" comes to mind. As an admitted, monogamous person, I don't pretend to understand the choices of polyamourous relations or polygamy marriages. Just not in my wheelhouse. But, to each their own! Just keep children out of it. ❤💯😘
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Morally, I agree with you; these types of relationships make me want to bang my head on a wall in frustration. However, as a former foster care worker, legally, the type of relationship is irrelevant. She did ask for permission to take the kids there, and the state had done the background check and gotten the other two people approved to transport the kids. If she had taken her kids there, asked for the strange man to leave, and slept in the living room with her children to keep them safe, all would have been well. Even if she had been in a relationship with a single man, had gone to his apartment, and then left her kids to sleep on the couch with 2 strangers, the result would be the same. The GAL stated the crux of the problem; she prioritized her desire to sleep with her partner(s) over the safety of her children.
Well said
Mike I agree with you!!! I work with kids and it kills me when parents or anyone really exposes them to unnecessary harm or risk of harm. It's disgusting
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Lawful Masses With Leonard French used to divorce law but transitioned to copyright law because there were to many angry parents using the children as weapons or shields and asking the attorney to hurt the other party.
@@LawTalkWithMike Mike what happens when she gets knocked up by the couple introducing another child in to this fustercluck?
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I love your ability to speak your opinion with no shits given 😉
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I agree with you Mike, it stops being funny when you put children in an unsafe situation. This lady seems to be in her own world, justifying what she is doing. SAD
Even though I have to work early tomorrow, I couldn’t resist the mini clip from the last video about the throuple
I searched it and here I am!
Love it Mike! Thank you!
The attorney ad litem is part of Judge Dallas Sims' CPS court. He is very tough and always protects the child to the fullest. He would not agree with this setup at all.
I believe in equality is being said by a person with no job and has her mother and a couple supplying her and her children with everything they need.
Yes, them providing everything for that woman and her children puts her children in a very vulnerable and precarious position.
Althea Glenn, please give me one good reason why anybody should have to provide care for children to the adult that cannot even figure out how to put them to bed at night safely? Why? I've been on birth control most of my life, I have a child. She's unfit and that is being generous.
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I'm with you, Mike, 100%
The therapist said she refused to take any responsibility. That says a lot. 💖🙏🙌
I'm a new watcher and I hadn't subscribed yet because I wasn't sure where you stood morally. That's very important to me and who I subscribe to. But I gotta say you surprised me and I'm really proud of you. Im a traditional Godly woman as you can tell by my name. But I love all the comments you made and completely support your judgement on this. God doesn't tell us not to judge but when you do judge, judge righteously and not self righteously but according to His standards. I think my God upstairs would be very proud of you right now. You earned another subscriber now. Thanks for the video. God is good.
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This is not where society is headed, Mike. Polyamorous relationships are no bigger a part of society than 100 years ago.
Well that may be true but damn it I’m told they are.
I'll just say this, if I were fighting to see my kids even for weekend visits, a romantic relationship on ANY level would be the furthest thing from my mind. That's the true meaning of being a selfish person right there. I unfortunately was never able to have kids and it makes me physically ill to see people treat them like this. I just can't stand it. Live whatever life you want (I guess) but put your kids first. I don't think that's too much to ask. Just sayin.. Love the channel! Much love from Dallas, Texas! 💜🤘💜
I've seen the throuple clip at least 100 times on your channel and always wanted to see the original video. Finally found it!
Thanks for speaking openly on how you feel about it--I'm right there with you
The mental harm is what has happened and will continue to happen with this “gang family”!
Sad this woman was doing good, then took downward spiral. Only thinking of herself, not children. Agreed with Mr. Mike 100 percent!
I agree with you 100% Mike. Her interest are priority over kids. Not okay. If she had no kids this would be different issue.
Just reading comments at the beginning reminded me how important stability is to kids…they can sense stability in adults and gravitate toward that. I am a single mom and worked weekend overnights in the er to be home during the week with my kids. I slept at home during the day on sat and sun but was at home the week. We missed a lot of stuff like weekend activities etc but the kids understood i had to work. I had a chance to change to a regular day shift during the week and off weekends. I talked it over with them and tried to show all the pluses of both types of schedule. My son who was in elementary school said “but who will be here when we get off the bus?” I realized that me being at home when they came home was so important to them. I continued on the weekend til I retired. I’m home all the time now. It was hard, grueling, and really hard on my body. They stayed with my parents when I was at work or I wouldn’t have been able to do it. The best scenario to me would be to be a stay at home mom with a working dad but that’s a rare. You need to do what you can.
I love it when I find one of these full videos of your legendary clips . Been waiting to watch this one of Mr. Messer for SOME TIME ! 😂
my grandpa once told me there are 3 rings to marriage, the engagement ring, the marriage ring and the suffering
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@@LawTalkWithMike he was born and raised in Chi town then when he married my Nana and they started a family they moved to Downer's Grove area (don't know if you know that suburb or not) In 1991 they made the final move to Florida with my mom and her siblings and that's when I was born! I only visited Chicago twice but I loved it!
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I live in Texas and of all your court clips this one turns my stomach. You are 100% justified in your anger.
Attorney is just jelly that he wasn’t invited to the throuple party 😂😂
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Mr. Messer is an AMAZING ad litem!! I always saw him in Judge Sims‘s court. Judge Sims is CPS court. She stop streaming because someone who had a case in her court started recording the live streams and restreaming them on TikTok. This is in Texas child protection service court. I believe bell county Texas. The people that she’s in this relationship with aren’t approved by CPS. In Texas if you have an open CPS case the people you’re around or living with have to pass background checks so her continuing to be in this relationship is jeopardizing getting her children back from CPS custody. I live in south Texas and I lived for the daily CPS hearings. But now they have all return to in person and no longer streamed on zoom.
Honestly I'm just impressed with how reasoned and intelligent the comments here are. Bravo Law Nerds.
Mike, I walk arm-in-arm with you on this matter. I pray for the children. Mom is very selfish!
Agree with all of your thoughts on this situation. Thank you for your honesty. ❤️
We have all read about parents who bring someone into their lives who then prove harmful to the children involved, regardless of the relationship they are in.
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"Dressing properly when AAppearing in Court before a Judge"
IMO the mom was incredibly selfish. She has limited time with her kids - spend it all with them. Rather than w/other people & her kids are on the couch with someone else. Kids come first, period. I'm with you on this one Mike.
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This. In my divorce, the ex made accusations about DV, I spent $20k clearing my name, we had CPS involved, I was given a clean "bill of health by them". After all of that work, clearing myself and proving I was a good father, even the thought of dating, let alone giving up time with my kids to do so isn't even a remote possibilty
My daughter was a CPS worker for many years. The worst part of her job was having to take the kids away. It was her last option to keep them safe. She then worked her ass off to help these parents get those children back. She finally got to her breaking point and couldn't do it anymore. She now is a social worker for state benefits for disabled people etc. She and her husband began fostering a set of siblings in April 2020. These kids had been in and out of foster care their entire lives. So at the ages of 13 and 12 my daughter and son in law adopted them. As of 9-6-2022 they are home forever.
I agree with you Mike! Love your videos! Listen to them while I’m at work! You need a pod cast so I can listen to them!
Polyamory is not “the future”. Folks just feel more comfortable being open with their relationships and if they are LGBTQ+. Again, what consenting adults do in the bedroom is no one else’s business. You’re making judgements about her without knowledge and understanding of kink relationships.
I'm with you, Mike. I am loathed to get CPS involved, our experience wasn't necessarily bad while getting qualified as foster parents, but they are far too focused on their personal ideals than what the law states. At the very end, after we got certified, we were told that we were now "mandatory reporters", which wasn't an issue, but they said that, and I quote: "If you see someone spank their child in the grocery store, you have to report them." This statement boggles the mind. No matter where you stand on the spanking debate, corporal punishment isn't illegal. I am undecided on CPS because they seem to over-enforce their pet peeves, even if it isn't illegal, but then ignore truly deplorable circumstances for other children. The system is broken and there is far too much ambiguity in what they do. But, I also believe they are necessary for situations like this, I am truly glad it's not on my shoulders, but we as a society need to pass laws and really enforce unambiguous rules if we feel the children are truly in danger. I don't like the features of how some of my friends raise their children, but it doesn't mean they are endangered and in need of CPS intervention. But, I have seen truly deplorable conditions in some of the homes I have entered and there were children but CPS was nowhere to be seen. I worked graveyard so good luck getting CPS to make your scene.
All of that to say:
1. The polyamory should have nothing to do with this judge's decision aside from the fact that she had limited visitation with her children but could choose not to stay with her couple when she did have custody?
2. The sleeping situation of the children, not the mom, should be the reason the visitation was shut down, and it sounded like that was what the judge chose for his reason.
On a side note, I think the government needs to get out of the marriage/relationship game. Stay out of people's bedrooms, love lives, and marriages. Marriages should be by civil contract that has nothing to do with the government.
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Hmmm, very odd about having to report a spanking. How can you report a spanking in Walmart? You don't even know the person's name or where they live. Protective services will not be able to do anything.
I was a medical foster parent in Florida and yes we were mandatory reporters but were never told the issue of spanking.
My issue came after one of the children I had adopted out. I was at the hospital with a new child and no lie, as I wad getting on the elevator I almost ran right into the other child's specialist. It had been oh 2 years she left at this point. She asked if I saw her snd I said no. She told me some things that were not followed thru with the new parent that were imperative for that child's health. I talked to the agency and they said I wad a mandatory reporter. Well crap. I really didn't want to get involved but had no choice.
I have idea of the outcome and it's not my place to know anymore. It really feels awful to have to report someone.
We loved taking care of the children, that was easy. It was all the red tape. Dealing with all the agencies was beyond ridiculous and we couldn't take it anymore so we got out of it.
I hope your experience is better. Doing just regular foster care you only have one agency, with medical I had someone at my house almost every day. It was too much.
different jurisdiction (i was living in Canada), but i have both been in foster homes and had a close friend pursue, and then give upon a career in that space.
1) CPS (child protective services) is very concerned about whether parents are raising kids "the right way"
2) there where real problems with my situation growing up, but when CPS stepped in and took me away, I saw 3 foster homes before I was allowed to come back, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was significantly worse then my original living situation.
3) the majority of foster homes that stay foster homes put up with the hassle and BS because they find themselves dependent on the paycheck.
4) the only time I have been legitimately afraid for my life was due to a situation that CPS put me in, not any that they took me out of.
I mean, you could always go the malicious compliance route.
See someone spank their kid in walmart? Report it.
Don't have their name? Too bad! You have to report it.
No address? Who cares! You were told to report it.
Not even a description of the person other than "Motherly and spanker"? Oh well! CPS clearly wants to know!
If CPS wants a piece of paper with no real information on it that says a spanking occurred in Walmart, that's their business, not yours. Yours is to report, not investigate.
Do it enough times, and you might even get told to not report it!
I was a fan before, now I am your #1 fan. The throuple is bad enough, having the kids on the couch exposed to male and female strangers is completely unacceptable. Lambs for the slaughter. When kids are involved, they need to be safe. The problems in our society stem from the breakdown of the nuclear family and the lack of immortality. I’m with you.
A "Throuple" is:
1. OK
2. Not OK
3. Funny as hell...
Mike you are speaking facts! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I agree with you 100% mike! It’s about the kids! They need stability and they need their mother to focus her time and energy on them.. the children are the ones who suffer and it’s heartbreaking. They’re already missing out on time with their mother and it sounds like they’ve been moved from place to place. It’s just sad to see the lack of responsibility and Accountability. The world is a pretty dark place right now. Our kids NEED us as parents even more so! An adult who doesn’t have children can do whatever they want to… but when children are involved, you have to take into consideration what they need to grow and learn. They need a sense of normalcy. It would be different if she participated in this relationship when the kids weren’t there. But having the kids around, I just can’t agree with it. Just my personal opinion!
Law Talk with Mike...you are a breath of fresh air~
Thank You 😊
As a gay man, people still think my relationship with my husband is immoral and not appropriate. It even gets compounded when we choose to have children as part of our family. It is easy to pass judgment when a particular way of life is not your own. Involving children in a touch and go relationship is wrong no matter if it’s gay, straight, or some other.
Good for you Mike, what you had to say here was absolutely correct. Thank you for standing up for the right thing.
Mike, you’re not a fuddy duddy. My mother saw me and my brother and sister as an impediment to her enjoyment. She didn’t entertain a throuple but certainly saw that her needs and wants we’re taken ahead of ours. It wrecked havoc and as adults, we’re all scarred and carry baggage from her choices.
"...Testimony that there was no harm to the children... and she did what she had to do..."
Trust me, I was abused as a child and at 53 years old am STILL trying to work through the long lasting effects... from a mother who did whatever she wanted/could with me and put me wherever she "had to" in order to live her life according to her own desires.
I cannot stand people like this who have children and set them around a house like luggage in another room with strangers while she takes care of her own needs.
I'm not shocked - this has been going on for years and I can see that the courts face even more issues these days, as we don't want to hurt people's FEELINGS about their life choices.
Disgusting
I agree with you 100%. Some kids I know are in this situation. CPS won’t even open an investigation!
Mike, I share every single sentiment you bravely spoke out loud. Thank you for daring.
10 minutes in and it feels soooo wrong. Protect your babies is first. Addendum: How many unsafe conditions were those children in to have to go to foster care. Why is she restricted on who the children can be around. Says everything.
I’m so surprised the judge gave her unsupervised visitation! Ridiculous! These children need to be protected.
Leaving innocent children with a stranger is inviting abuse
Marriage...the leading cause for divorce.
I'm with you Mike. No way would I have ever slept over at a polyamory relationship with my minor child, or even in someone I was dating. She is no mom at all.
life stopped me from law school, this is the first time, I've counted my blessings, I could not handle this or anything else you broadcast, my brain would explode or I'd die laughing. Glad I found you..
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She needs to worry about getting her kids back, not worry about her own needs. The children come first no matter what. The kids didn't ask to be brought into this world.
You know I’m a huge fan Mike, so please take this with the respect I’m sending it with. Just because someone is in a polyamorous or homosexual relationship doesn’t mean they are swinging naked from the chandeliers in front of their children any more so than a straight couple. Absent sexual behavior in front of a child, no one has the right to make assumptions about or discriminate against a person based solely on their sexual preference. Why are straight couples automatically assumed to be “discreet”, but anyone other than a heterosexual is assumed to be willing to have sex with anything that moves at the drop of a hat? Fifty-seven years ago, my parents almost weren’t able to adopt me because they were a interracial couple. That deviation from the social norm was also seen as the “breakdown of the traditional American family”. But we wouldn’t support that kind of bigotry today. I hope fifty-seven years from now discrimination against those in the LGBTQIA community will be just as distant a memory and they will be afforded the same parenting opportunities that heterosexuals have, unless and until proven otherwise. ❤️
Fifty-seven years ago, my parents almost weren’t able to adopt me because they were a interracial couple. That deviation from the social norm was also seen as the “breakdown of the traditional American family”.
Yup. Agreed on particular point. The word, "traditional" is loaded and encompasses attitudes and LONGTERM stigma that many people of substantive morality would consider deviant, such as the EXACT example you lay out here. Some of these "good people" pining for "the good ole' days" either had no idea how frustrating they were for a lot of people or they were too damn comfortable to care. Must be nice.
I appreciate your honesty. I’m so sick of no one saying what needs to be said for fear of offending someone, or in this case, offending a mom who does not have the best interest of her children in mind. It’s awful! If mom wants to do that then so be it, but do not involve the children in your kinky antics!
Go get em Mike! The kids are sleeping on a couch with a strange grown man and a strange grown woman. !!!!
This world needs to get back to core values in family relationships 💯. Makes me sad kids are growing up without a stable home. 😢
Mike, I'm split here. I agree that letting children sleep on a couch with strangers is a stupid thing, especially given the history that is apparent here, and given the overall cicumstances, I agree with the conclusion that came to pass. I do however absolutely agree with the lawyer's point that the type of the relationship in itself should have been disregarded, and frankly, It clearly wasn't. As far as your own morality goes, I think it's not okay to judge people you don't agree with in that way, and still, I agree that you're just as entitled to your views and concepts of moral as anyone else. Just don't assume that your way is the right way and everyone that doesn't conform to it is wrong. As for me, I am older than you, cis as cis gets, and I still couldn't care less what relationships people live in, as long as children, if involved, are well taken care of. Abuse and neglect happens in traditional families all the time. Things can go right or wrong in any type of relationship. It all depends on the people in it. In this specific case, it clearly wasn't the type of relationship that was the problem, it was the poor judgement of the people in it.
Very well said.
I know it’s uncomfortable but I think there is a relationship between the types of choices being made here. If you don’t think the argument that who are you to say children shouldn’t sleep with strange adults isn’t right around the corner well I have news for you.
@@LawTalkWithMike Unless you have facts to prove that, that's your opinion. Which, again, is fine. Courts shouldn't make decisions based on opinions and world views though. It should matter whether a person is a responsible parent or not. This woman clearly wasn't, but considering she had her children taken away before the relationship we're talking about here, I'd hazard a guess that the relationship itself was not really the problem here either.
I know of no legitimate studies showing people who are in relationships with more than one person at a time are worse parents.
Mike, your prejudice is showing in this blanket attitude. I've chosen to have my kids with one person and we're still together 20+ years later. That's only one choice.
Well yes
I agree with Ruby, I’m surprised at your reaction. I’m an equally cranky old woman, and could not care less what relationships others choose (though I most definitely do kink shame).
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The problem isn’t polyamorous people… the problem is THIS polyamorous person
I love the Ad Litem, I have seen him multiple times in Judge Sims court and he is always asking super tough questions to protect the kids. He's great.