6 Fantastic Finishes for Ash Lumber
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2014
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Ash is a hardwood that looks great with a clear, natural finish - no argument. But wait 'till you see what else you can do to the wood with a simple 3 step finishing process. Ash is an enjoyable wood to work with and it's also one of the easiest hardwoods to stain because it accepts color so evenly and without blotching. So this video is a demonstration of some super cool ideas -- colorful and full of contrast -- for finishing ash. Techniques included are staining, dying, using grain filler, how to make ash 100% jet black, and others. Enjoy. - Навчання та стиль
While finishing up the sanding process on an ash bass guitar body I designed, then interested in staining, I then found your video.
Finding the brands you favor is a challenge. Thank you for posting a very helpful video. Great Work !
I just saw this video and was in the process of making an Ash shadow box. I did the first finish you show. I used a maple stain, then a fast drying poly since I couldn't get sanding sealer. then a spanish oak stain. It looks fantastic on the 2 1/5 inch sides of the wood. Thank you so much. I will purchase some wood from your website as an extra thank you
After searching for quite a while to find simple steps with an example & finished results I thankfully found this video that has it all. Thank You for your time & effort Mark great job sir
I've been working with ash alot lately. I needed a few different ideas for finishing. Thanks for the ideas.
Awesome! Pickling over a black dye ash is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you.
Thank-you! This is exactly what I have been trying to do. Looks great!
This is awesome!!! Just what I need! I can't wait to do this on my ash wood guitar
Oh my that last color is beautiful !
Dude this is awesome I only just noticed it was posted 10 years ago!
Ha! No problem glad you enjoyed it
I think the finishing videos are a great addition ..thanks
Great! We'll keep 'em coming. Thanks for the feedback.
Thanks for this video! I will try to do this on my first DIY guitar project! I want to use an ash body with the black stain and the white gel to fill the pores! It looks killer!
Awesome video man! I'm definitely going to try this with some grey stains I'm going to use with shelves I'm building! Thanks! 👍
I'm an electric guitar builder and ash is one of my absolute favorite body woods to use.
Learned more from this video than the other 2 dozen I watched....thanks
Awesome Mark! Love your work and tips. Learning a lot from watching your channel.
Wow this was a awesome video! Thanks never seen anything like this before. Really enjoy these videos.
Really cool stuff! I would like to build an ash body guitar and try this on it. Thanks for posting.
Right there with you buddy! How'd it turn out?
Thanks for the effort you put into this video & the great information given. Much enjoyed, very useful.
Fantastic video. Really informative and helpful. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
This is awesome! Excellent tips! Thanks a lot!!
Awesome video and techniques, thank you.
excellent video my friend, some great techniques.
Wonderful! Very helpful! Thank you!
Awesome techniques thank you !!
The white grain on black looks amazing..
Really liked the pickling over the black dye! Very pretty.
Thank you for sharing these techniques.
Great video, quick and to the point, that is for sharing!
Thank you. Great tutorial.
Absolutely amazing content! Looks like you're pretty close to 100k. Congratulations in advance!
And I thought sealers SEALED the grain!! Ha ha.. thank you, this is some awesome info!
Sensacional! Parabéns pelo vídeo!
Great video, thank you. Very useful, greetings from Ireland ,!
Great work...
Bout to build a few desks! This was right on time!
How did they turn out?
Excellent vid - given me some great ideas! Many thanks, have subbed.
This is incredible
Very well done 👍 impressive work
Love the tips! Thanks!
Amazing! Just the info I was looking for! :-) Greatly appreciated! :-)
Hi and thanks for the awesome video and one of the best video on you tube.
Can this technique be used on patio deck? Thanks for your answer.
thank you
HI Mark, excellent video by the way! I love the look #6
Would this process work on oak veneer also?
Hey man, Awesome video. I have some questions about doing this on guitars. Wondering if you were able to discuss it a bit. I’m trying to replicate one of my current Basses, it has a very interesting stain finish that has been hard for me to identify, but it deff looks like more work than a simple stain job. I bought this Bass the way it is and I’m familiar with the line, this isn’t a factory finish, someone put some work and creativity into this and sold it for some reason. I’ve had it for 15 years now and want to replicate this style on a lot of my other Basses and Guitars. Thanks man.
very good video, very good presentation
Great video!!! Thank you very much!Julian
Very helpful thanks
Great vid! Thank you.
great, thanks
Great video! I read all comments below. For water based products on a guitar the process is:
-Sand body to 240
-Fill grain with multiple coats of water based filler, add black dye to pop grain (optional).
-Sand until even finish, grain all filled
-Shellac/Sealer
-Dye or stain body until desired color (can stain be oil based or does it have to be water based?)
-Shellac/Sealer
-Clear top coat
Is this correct? Thanks!
Awesome video,what's the difference in the wood stain filler, the wiping stain, and the oil stain?
great thanx
What kind of sealer are you using? It looks great! Is it water based or oil based?
I’m trying to make my ash board keep its “wet” look off my sawmill. Now that I’m trying to use a stain to mimic that and then epoxy coating the surface for a bar. What would you recommend. ?
Great video. I’m working on piece of swamp ash. I start with timbermate dyed black. I sand that back then I’m applying aniline dye mixed with water. The surface is extremely smooth to the touch before applying the dye but as a apply the dye I can start to see the grain through the grain filler. I want a smooth high gloss finish when done so this isn’t going to be good enough. What am I doing wrong?
you are awesome!!!
Thank you.
Would Minwax Sanding Sealer work as a seal coat and do you only use 1 coat before adding the next stain? I am using a regular oil base stain for bottom and top coat, can I do that or does it need to be a gel stain?
Good video. I have an alder guitar body I stripped and want to color /stain. do you know how well alder will take to this process? thanks
hello there, i have a few questions which you probably answered already...for the last finish in this video, did you have the grain filled before applying the black? also, after applying the black did you sand it? and then apply the sealer, then sand the sealer? then apply the white the sand again?? sorry if that was confusing
These finishes are awesome. I tried one and failed however. The wood filler I used did not make it into any grains. It wiped clean off the sealer. I used arm-r-seal gloss and I was doing it on a birch vaneer
I have two questions that I hope you’ll see and answer. Did you pre-stain? What type of sealer did you use in between coats?
Love the video. My preference is the ebony with the white gel stain. The problem I'm having is sourcing the white gel stain in the uk. Does this have another description? I've tried an oil stain , but without the success. I'm really keen to achieve this finish. Many thanks in advance.
Phil G have you tried buying it on Amazon?
How would any of these steps work over a stencil? So for example, staining an entire piece, sanding, then applying a stencil, and dyed wood grain filler over that... When you removed the stencil, would you have clean edges?
what if you use watco danish oil as the "dye" would your process still work?
Like many here I'm going to finish a DIY guitar kit. Will this technique work on an Ash Burl veneer top having a significantly different grain pattern than traditional Ash? How fine of sandpaper do you sand with before application of any stain? Planning on accentuating grain with black over a med to dark red. Appreciate your help. THX
Hey guys. I'm an ultra woodworking "newb" here. Getting ready to start my 1st woodworking project ever (it's an un-finished, raw-wood electric guitar kit). The body is ASH. I've done hours of reading and research. I'm trying to understand the process. Did he use the thicker white gel stain to "grain fill" the example at the end? After sanding, cleaning, & any prep... Is the finishing order to- dye, seal, grain fill, and top coat/finish? Or is sealing the very first thing you do after the project is sanded and cleaned? I'm seeing conflicting "orders of operation" between different experts... Any help or advice is greatly appreciated! Thx
Hi and blessings!! Can you tell us the specific mfg's numbers of the stains, woodgrain filler, gel and colors used, please, thanks!! Ray From Puerto Rico
very nice tutorial. which exact species of ash have you used here?
What finish would you recommend for a Ash dining table. Something durable and nothing that darkens the wood....realizing it may darken a little over time. Thanks
hi Mark, how about using tru oil as a sealer between the stain and the dye? would that work? Also, tru oil as a finish is a part of my plan...
Is sanding sealer what you'd want to use or could you use a poly, lacquer etc? Looking to get a cool rustic look with a ash dining table I'm building. I was thinking steel wool vinegar stain, seal then possibly black to pop the grain
Wow!!!! These look fabulous!!! Just one quick question: In those instances where you stain, seal, and add contrast, do you sand the applied seal once it's dried or do you leave it as is?
Good question. Depends how the sealer coat comes out, frankly. I only sand where the sealer needs it, or just lightly sand the entire piece. A synthetic finishing pad (red or gray color) is helpful for that.
What if you wanted to reverse the contrast? I.e. make the grain light and the rest dark?
i have a guitar that I want to stain blue with black graining. i want to keep the blue as vibrant as possible and the grain as black as possible. How would I go about doing that?
Thank you! What kind of sealer do you recommend?
Can this work on snooker ash cues? To darken the grains and chevrons of the cue? Tks.
OK thanks I am finishing a guitar and I am a little bit gun shy about had to do it
Looks great. Can you get old masters in the uk?
How would the last finish work on a ash veneer on top a particleboard?
Nice video by the way! Very informative. :)
Veneer, no problem. It'll work. Veneer on particle board, on the other hand might have some troubles such as "telegraphing" (aka bumpiness). But the finish will work fine on veneer.
Great video, inspired me to stain my ash guitar body. I have spent the last day sourcing your materials but it's costing me $80 or more. I live in the uk and am thinking these or similar products can be sourced locally. My question- to replicate the last example you did, what generic materials can I use or must I specifically buy old masters solar lux etc. where can I find white gel stain? Again great video. Thanks.
idealmethod Yes, other brands will work just fine. I hope you can find what you need. To accomplish the finish in the last sample, you just need a black dye and a white glaze. I'm in the U.S.A., but I do believe H. Behlen Solar Lux is available in the UK as well as other countries around the world. As for the white gel stain, you might have better luck calling it glaze. It just needs to be oil based (so it dries slowly) and somewhat thick to perform the way it does on the door I made. Arguably, paint would do the job as long as you can wipe it off before it dries.
How do I accent the grain on a a beige painted wood finish?
Great videos! Do you have a method for making Ash look somewhat close to Bolivian Rosewood?
what kind of sealer are you using? could i use polyurethane?
great video! But how do I keep the light colour of ash? been looking for tips everywhere, I don't want any yellowing to occur if possible.
Would you finish a guitar body? If so how much would you charge?
i see you used a shellac as your in-between sealer. can you use a poly seal between the color and contrast? and how many coats of seal in-between color and contrast do you recommend? awesome video, btw!
Yeah you could use any clear finish for sealer as long as it’s compatible with the stain. 1 coat is usually sufficient
Does it only work on ash?
I'm asking because I tried it on oak w/a similar grain pattern but it didn't behave the same.
Do you precondition ash wood? I just did a project using preconditioner first and it looks blotchy now that I've applied stain.
What sealer do you use??
Could you put wax over the top of the wiped off gel grain filler, once it's dry? Or would that smear the dark colour over the boards?
+Matt Bauckham Wax would work, no problem.
Does roasted swamp ash finish out differently than regular ash ?
hello brother how are you nice video please tell the method of wallnut colour on the pine wood tell the mehtod of colour making
When you paint
you only use oil paint ????????? thanks
How do i get a darker brown on my ash wood
Hello, i am going to be finishing a guitar body and i want a look that's similar to the last one, except with red in the grain and black dye. a reference i'm using is a Mayones Gothic finish, if you would like to see what i'm talking about. any idea on how to do this?
StormshadowGames I haven't replicated that exact look before, but the concept to accomplish it is the same as the last door in this video. Start by dyeing the wood black, then sealer it with a coat or two of clear sanding sealer. Be careful, obviously, when sanding the coats of sealer so you don't go through the dye. But if you do, it can be touched up with a little dye on a rag. Once you have the sealer smooth, apply a bright red tinted paste wood grain filler (like the Old Masters Woodgrain Filler used in this video, or another brand). To tint it, you'll need to use something like oil paint tint, Transtint dyes, or Mixol tint. Mix it up, then apply it over the sealed wood. Work it into the grain, scrape/wipe off the excess. Once it dries, apply a clear topcoat finish. But try the whole process on a test piece to dial in the color you want and to grab an understanding of how the process works.
Good video, so thanks.
I have an ash guitar body I am looking at staining green with black grain accents.
Most videos I have seen of guitar builders show them staining the grain first, then sanding (a lot) before staining the colour.
I like your process better as I don't have a proper workshop, so less mess, but is there anything else I should do? Is the door you used fully smoothed and what kind of sealer do you use (type and not brand, as I am in the UK).
Thanks very much.
Waterbased filler such as Timbermate (available in UK? It's from Australia.) need to be applied to bare wood (before staining). Whereas the oil-based filler used in this video can be used right on bare wood or on top of sealer. So it's possible that the other demonstrations you've seen are for the waterbased kind of fillers, or just a different application technique of the oil-based. It also somewhat depends on what the contrasting color is. Not color, but type of colorant. If it's a dye that's going on after the oil-based grain filler, then yes you'll have to do a lot of sanding to be certain that the surface wood is well exposed for the dye to take hold. Conversely, waterbased wood fillers accept dye (and stain), but those wood fillers still must be well sanded after they dry before moving on to the dye or stain steps.
One important detail about using grain filler, especially on ash, is that you'll need to perform 3 or 4 coats, waiting for it to dry between each one. That's if you're trying to achieve a perfectly uniform surface. I would also apply a coat of sealer between each coat, as that helps you see spots of unfilled grain and therefore work those areas better. Additionally, on a guitar, I'd be inclined to use a rubber-edged squeegee or something similar when scraping off the grain filler. The more flexible edge will help conform to the shape of the guitar top as you scrape off. However I'm only inclined to make that suggestion -- I've never finished a guitar, but I've finished sculpted projects. The squeegee works well for those.
The sealer to use can be de-waxed shellac or lacquer sanding sealer. It depends on what you intend to use as a topcoat. De-waxed shellac is more universal, you can put any topcoat on it. Lacquer sanding sealer, on the other hand, must be used with lacquer as the topcoat after the filling job.
I hope some of that helps you.
Woodworkers Source That's a great help. Thank you very much.
Is this the same process on a guitar, ive heard you have to use grain filler on guitars, and the say to grain fill first but i want to accent the grain like you do, will your way work on guitar bodies
Sure, it'll work. One reason for using grain filler on a guitar is *usually* to help get you a glassy surface so your high gloss finish shines like a mirror. Without filling the grain, the unevenness of the wood and grain telegraphs through the clear coat. It looks all wrong with a high gloss finish. On a non-glossy finish it's perfectly fine not to fill.
What is the instrument you use at 2:40 to spread the colouring material. Sorry if that is really a basic question but it is the first time I have seen it.
Is there something to consider when doing this on oak?
I've been trying my hand at finishing on a few different types of wood,
including ash and oak. So far I prefer ash over oak. Oak seems to puke
up a bit of what goes into it's pores. And besides that, something
about the grain isn't as nice as ash. But it just might be the pieces
that I have.
I agree that ash looks aesthetically better, but I can't say that I've experienced oak having problems with the color. Can you explain more?
Woodworkers Source
I used the minwax oil penetrating stain and hours after I had wiped the excess off there were tiny droplets welling up.
in the last finish example, you mention you are using a jet black dye. question, how do you get the dye to look so black? I followed the 1oz to 1qrt recipe and it looked so watered down you couldn't tell it was black, even after adding more
Hmm, yeah, it's kind of deceiving stuff. It will look gray until you seal it or apply a finish over it. Don't trust the color of dried dye, it'll change when you apply a coat of finish over it. Make a test sample of the whole process, it'll make a lot more sense.