Thank you for the mention. You got this video up really fast. Can you share battery life drain while playing UA-cam for an hour and also battery drain during regular browsing or document work? I'd like to compare the Max and will share results.
I was thinking of that with kind of more cores and what not to spread around the work it might either run hotter or perhaps less since it "spreads the work out" but I didn't know enough about how Silicon would work and if that was the case. Real world stuff probably will hash it out but this video seems to indicate my M3max binned might have been a good option :)
Looks like this supports my opinion that the sweet spot 14" MBP is the binned M3 Max. If you want the unbinned M3 Max, you should get the 16". And if you don't need that M3 Max power, I'd suggest a refurbished M1 Pro or M2 Pro over the M3 (Pro). My employer gave me a 14" MBP with binned M3 Max, I run it in low-power mode most of the time, it's still really fast then. I kick the CPUs hard for short bursts from time to time and it stays dead-quiet. In normal mode, it would spin up the fans considerably then, but it wouldn't be considerably faster.
Damn - whose your employer? Can i double work there hahah and get a free M3 Max! You know my youtube has gone slow cant decide if I want to buy the MSI Aero 13 with new meteor lake and actually keep it as a daily (my 6 pound legion works but......... idk I need to stop gaming dota) - or get an M1 max 14 inch microcenter refurb - or just get m3 max - make more youtube content and COMMIT. Anyways short brain dump on current struggles - glad video helped. What uhhh - what you doing with m3 max work? MS Teams, Zoom? lol jk jk
@@BlendlogicTech I still have a 16" Intel i9 MBP for personal use since I'm only allowed to do work-related stuff on the work machine. This would be web development. In corporate scale, this can get pretty heavy easily. I always have one or two Docker containers running in the background, along with one or two React projects in VSCode, which are also likely to have jest running in watch mode. Add two external screens, a bunch of browser tabs including Figma, and maybe screen sharing and VSCode live share and you appreciate having that power. The 16" i9 was running crazy hot and slow at that point. Oh, and we have a bunch of positions open at Jimdo if you're interested 😉 Considering the 3 options you listed: My choice would be a refurbished M1 Pro or Max, depending on your graphics needs. Seems to be the best bang for the buck right now.
@@VeitLehmann ahhh I see the true Software Engineering space - nice. Jimdo? First google result Website Design and delivery? Basically what Blendlogic used to be haha - but looks like your guys positions are in Europe and im based America :) But seems like a cool company! My current job doing Data Analytics and Data Strategy & Governance - and if the top google result is the right company - the Senior Data Product Analyst might be up my alley and experience....... maybe I will apply if its remote.
Thanks for making this! So I guess this means that the 14 inch binned M3 max doesn't throttle due to lack of cooling? I saw that the unbinned one does, so people recommended to go for the 16 inch for the unbinned one, so I was thinking of saving some money and going for the binned 14, but I wasn't sure if it throttles. Also, do you think using a laptop cooler would make a measurable difference for these machines? Thanks in advance!
Not sure if it throttles - I think it does compared to the 16 inch - but in the 14 inch when compared to m3 pro - the m3 pro runs hotter - or the m3 max runs cooler. I think because it has more cores it spreads the load and runs not full capacity to keep cool but still outperforms the m3 pro
There is some danger in comparing cores in the M series chips, we don't know the algorithm that Blender created for Apple. On top of that, the benchmarks are behind, it's like benchmarking a new NVIDIA card with the wrong driver installed. December 20 is the day, when then first AAA game with valid support for the M3 arrives (hint, leaked benchmarks for the M3 Max show it's equivalent to a system with an i9 13900HX and an NVIDIA RTX 4080).
This is true - but I had comments like this when M1 Max came out - saying future support/updates would happen for Blendor and other things. All this to say - yes there will always be optimization - GPTK is at 1.1 and being updated - but just showing people the differences between spend even if staying with Apple or deciding to go to a windows device
LFG -- dang does Apple do affiliate links? I need to monetize my channel better haha. But uhhh yea damn maxed out m3 max - I'm considering microcenter 14i inch M1 Max refurb for $2199
So, except for money and wanting to have better battery life, there is no reason to buy M3 Pro over the Max (binned) in 14". Better performance and quite similar noise under load. And what's best you can change profile to Low Power mode to have almost same performance as M3 Pro while having low noise. Will buy M3 Max. Initially wanted Pro due to conserns over noise but there is no reason. Money is not the question, it will pay in one month and then it will earn me money for say, 4 years, so about 50x more of initial investment.
This was one test though and of course not even my own testing with m3 max so there were the variables I listed in video. But yea it does appear that way - more / better performance with max will keep it cool compared to m3 pro - in this one benchmark but probably with more stuff
@@BlendlogicTech well my workflow consists mainly from rapid, short peaks of CPU (web code compilation). But I do that about 200x per day, so going from 22 s now on M1 Air to somewhere 5-8 seconds will be a huge boost for me,
Hi thanks for the tests. I would like to upgrade my m1 machine with MBP 14 M3 Max base, or 14 M3 Pro base… didn’t decided. Could you please run the NeatBench 5 benchmark and share the results here or in new video? It will show how the video denoiser performs on your machine. You can find the benchmark on the neatvideo website in the download page. Thanks
I don’t own the m3 max but I could tag Lucas if I could figure out how to tag UA-cam ppl for the m3 max one I’ll try to repost here what my m3 pro gets but I did do denoise on my resolve video and showed the playback versus a 4080m windows laptop
Sorry late response - been away at beach - finally having some downtime -- But I think I may return this m3 pro get the flow x 13 with no DGPU - consdering it or any other AMD 7840 laptop thats lightweight.... FYI
ua-cam.com/video/jfWsIqxQNK8/v-deo.html
M3 Max Source
Finally a review that looks at the binned m3 max with 14”, thank you! That’s the one I ordered :)
All thanks to Lucas!
Thank you for the mention. You got this video up really fast. Can you share battery life drain while playing UA-cam for an hour and also battery drain during regular browsing or document work? I'd like to compare the Max and will share results.
Dang that’s a commitment to watch UA-cam for an hour lololol
Great question
I was thinking of that with kind of more cores and what not to spread around the work it might either run hotter or perhaps less since it "spreads the work out" but I didn't know enough about how Silicon would work and if that was the case. Real world stuff probably will hash it out but this video seems to indicate my M3max binned might have been a good option :)
I agree -
Alternate I’m looking at the flow x13 with just the amd and no dGPU for battery life .
For gaming ultrabook think it’s unmatched
Looks like this supports my opinion that the sweet spot 14" MBP is the binned M3 Max. If you want the unbinned M3 Max, you should get the 16". And if you don't need that M3 Max power, I'd suggest a refurbished M1 Pro or M2 Pro over the M3 (Pro).
My employer gave me a 14" MBP with binned M3 Max, I run it in low-power mode most of the time, it's still really fast then. I kick the CPUs hard for short bursts from time to time and it stays dead-quiet. In normal mode, it would spin up the fans considerably then, but it wouldn't be considerably faster.
Damn - whose your employer? Can i double work there hahah and get a free M3 Max!
You know my youtube has gone slow cant decide if I want to buy the MSI Aero 13 with new meteor lake and actually keep it as a daily (my 6 pound legion works but......... idk I need to stop gaming dota) - or get an M1 max 14 inch microcenter refurb - or just get m3 max - make more youtube content and COMMIT.
Anyways short brain dump on current struggles - glad video helped. What uhhh - what you doing with m3 max work? MS Teams, Zoom? lol jk jk
@@BlendlogicTech I still have a 16" Intel i9 MBP for personal use since I'm only allowed to do work-related stuff on the work machine. This would be web development. In corporate scale, this can get pretty heavy easily. I always have one or two Docker containers running in the background, along with one or two React projects in VSCode, which are also likely to have jest running in watch mode. Add two external screens, a bunch of browser tabs including Figma, and maybe screen sharing and VSCode live share and you appreciate having that power. The 16" i9 was running crazy hot and slow at that point. Oh, and we have a bunch of positions open at Jimdo if you're interested 😉
Considering the 3 options you listed: My choice would be a refurbished M1 Pro or Max, depending on your graphics needs. Seems to be the best bang for the buck right now.
@@VeitLehmann ahhh I see the true Software Engineering space - nice. Jimdo? First google result Website Design and delivery? Basically what Blendlogic used to be haha - but looks like your guys positions are in Europe and im based America :) But seems like a cool company! My current job doing Data Analytics and Data Strategy & Governance - and if the top google result is the right company - the Senior Data Product Analyst might be up my alley and experience....... maybe I will apply if its remote.
Thanks for making this! So I guess this means that the 14 inch binned M3 max doesn't throttle due to lack of cooling? I saw that the unbinned one does, so people recommended to go for the 16 inch for the unbinned one, so I was thinking of saving some money and going for the binned 14, but I wasn't sure if it throttles. Also, do you think using a laptop cooler would make a measurable difference for these machines?
Thanks in advance!
Not sure if it throttles - I think it does compared to the 16 inch - but in the 14 inch when compared to m3 pro - the m3 pro runs hotter - or the m3 max runs cooler.
I think because it has more cores it spreads the load and runs not full capacity to keep cool but still outperforms the m3 pro
@@BlendlogicTech Thanks for your input!
There is some danger in comparing cores in the M series chips, we don't know the algorithm that Blender created for Apple. On top of that, the benchmarks are behind, it's like benchmarking a new NVIDIA card with the wrong driver installed. December 20 is the day, when then first AAA game with valid support for the M3 arrives (hint, leaked benchmarks for the M3 Max show it's equivalent to a system with an i9 13900HX and an NVIDIA RTX 4080).
This is true - but I had comments like this when M1 Max came out - saying future support/updates would happen for Blendor and other things.
All this to say - yes there will always be optimization - GPTK is at 1.1 and being updated - but just showing people the differences between spend even if staying with Apple or deciding to go to a windows device
Going in for fully maxxed 14 inch m3 max. I'll deal with the heat in low power mode
LFG -- dang does Apple do affiliate links? I need to monetize my channel better haha.
But uhhh yea damn maxed out m3 max - I'm considering microcenter 14i inch M1 Max refurb for $2199
So, M3 Max has 7990 point, while the Legion 7i has 28826 points and Asus Studiobook 16 has 28778 points. So, M3 Max is a weak laptop?
Idk what the 7790 point is but depending on benchmarks yea gpu scores are better with dGPU
CPU is good scores and performance
So, except for money and wanting to have better battery life, there is no reason to buy M3 Pro over the Max (binned) in 14". Better performance and quite similar noise under load. And what's best you can change profile to Low Power mode to have almost same performance as M3 Pro while having low noise.
Will buy M3 Max. Initially wanted Pro due to conserns over noise but there is no reason. Money is not the question, it will pay in one month and then it will earn me money for say, 4 years, so about 50x more of initial investment.
This was one test though and of course not even my own testing with m3 max so there were the variables I listed in video.
But yea it does appear that way - more / better performance with max will keep it cool compared to m3 pro - in this one benchmark but probably with more stuff
@@BlendlogicTech well my workflow consists mainly from rapid, short peaks of CPU (web code compilation). But I do that about 200x per day, so going from 22 s now on M1 Air to somewhere 5-8 seconds will be a huge boost for me,
How much ram does your m3 pro have?
Upgraded base option from Apple 18gb ram
@@BlendlogicTech you think if you had 36gb like the base m3 max the results would be closer?
do you recommend tg pro or istat menus
On Mac’s I never cared about ram/ temps so neither actually lol - they always ran cool/ fine
Hi thanks for the tests. I would like to upgrade my m1 machine with MBP 14 M3 Max base, or 14 M3 Pro base… didn’t decided.
Could you please run the NeatBench 5 benchmark and share the results here or in new video? It will show how the video denoiser performs on your machine.
You can find the benchmark on the neatvideo website in the download page. Thanks
I don’t own the m3 max but I could tag Lucas if I could figure out how to tag UA-cam ppl for the m3 max one
I’ll try to repost here what my m3 pro gets but I did do denoise on my resolve video and showed the playback versus a 4080m windows laptop
Best combination: CPU (11 cores) and GPU (Apple M3 Pro): 30.7 frames/sec
Sorry late response - been away at beach - finally having some downtime --
But I think I may return this m3 pro get the flow x 13 with no DGPU - consdering it or any other AMD 7840 laptop thats lightweight.... FYI
@@BlendlogicTech thank you for the response. I have already ordered MBP 14 M3 Pro :)
what is the app you use to put temperature in the menu bar?
Metal Hud - Terminal -- /bin/launchctl setenv MTL_HUD_ENABLED 1
/bin/launchctl setenv MTL_HUD_ENABLED 0 to turn it off. or Whisky has an option
The M3 Pro has only one fan, vs the Max has dual fans.
is that so didnt know that