The Most Common Injuries | Starting Strength Network Previews
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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2023
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Good info, Gents. For those of us who are older lifters/trainees, it's imperative we understand the risks and prepare appropriately. Recognizing when an impending strain or joint problem is there, we need to back off, just a little. Re: back pain, it's been the SS program and heavy lifting that's pretty much cured my back pain. I have stiffness from time to time, but this 55-year-old is thriving!
Will Morris is a freaking genius. I've worked with him in his capacity as a consultant, and as a trainer. I found his advice to be smart and prudent, and his training programs are allowing me to get a great pump in spite of my injuries. He's an intelligent, no bullshit guy who, most important, genuinely cares about his clients.
I went to see my sports medicine Doctor about my meniscus tear. I let him know that I do loaded squats and deadlifts. I was expecting his blessing and say "Thats great! keep it going." Instead he looked at me and said, "At your age you should not be doing those"! (I was 51 years old at the time.) The next day I went to my physio therapist who had put me on an exercise program for the meniscus tear. I told him what that Doctor had said and he said "WHAT!! Thats the worst thing you can do. The goal is to strengthen the leg muscles NOT do nothing about it!". I never thought that a SPORTS MEDICINE Doctor would give advise to Not do those lifts because I am in my 50's. I am 52 now still doing those lifts and I don't feel pain in my knee anymore.
You'll eventually have osteoarthritis in that knee and eventually need a knee replacement. Enjoy!
@@JaredSchmuck squats and deadlifts give you OA?
@@liamjohnson7887 squats that put a lot of pressure on the knee can result in OA for sure. But I was referring to the torn meniscus. A torn meniscus will frequently result in accelerated arthritis of the joint. That is very well established.
@@JaredSchmuck so that would happen regardless of if he did squats or not?
@@liamjohnson7887 I don't know how he tore his meniscus. Going forward, squats could be okay as long as he is very certain to avoid putting the weight onto the knee joint. Might be best to do box squats to parallel like Rip does to avoid further knee issues.
My overhead press is 265 and it has rehabbed my shoulder. Thanks Rip.
I mean, my deadlift is 290, but I don't try hard
@@vmz1231 well I’m not where I wanna be but I’ll get there one day…and I try hard. Lol.
Well done, 👍 265 ohp is extremely rare.
@@saulwest8254 thanks a lot but I’m not done. My dream is to rep 315 over head. It’s all about not giving up. I’m going to try and walk these heavy singles up to 300.
Well done, sir. Is that a pure press or is that more like a snatch?
shoulder impingement can be quite unavoidable if youve had a earlier injury or some type of minor deformity. i think the blue book should recommend a couple minutes of deadhanging after workouts for those who start getting shoulder trouble despite good form.
Great video! One thing I have found is that you have to make sure you properly brace (20% compared to squat/deadlift etc) when you are taking off/putting on plates etc. Otherwise you get pinged.
I do not agree with you on the tendonitis point. All of my tendonitis has been from overuse in the gym.
Are you skinny and don"t eat enough protein?
In the context of this discussion, the question was most common injuries in the gym, and statistically speaking, tendinitis is not in the top tier of diagnoses from the gym. The reason being is most people do not train hard enough, often enough, and intensely enough to develop actual tendinitis. You, perhaps, are an outlier, which I can commend you on your training. Just keep in mind that most people are not the same way.
Same here.
Had low back issues for 3 years. Compressed cartilage which is age related but also have a fluid sac to the left of lower spine. Love your program but find squats in particular very uncomfortable to the point where even squatting the bar can be a problem. Currently on a 5 month wait to have a lumbar medial block . Never had back issues before and don't understand why it won't get better
Everytime i get back pain my shoulder and elbow pain magically disappear😂
Weird that he is not seeing elbow tendinitis from exercise. Every single episode of tendinitis I have suffered has been caused by overuse in the context of exercise (lots of loaded pull-ups, etc).
Me smacking my head of the bar walking by the smith machine to the real squat rack.
I live in Bangladesh. I had a discectomy on L5S1 back in 2018. I have been watching the SS UA-cam channel for the last few months and got very inspired . Watched all the instruction video .recollected my 1" 4 feet bar.Started on the very base level . On the very next day my lower back so sensitive even still it hurts with little coughing, hurts with any kind of movement, hurts even when I lay down for the last 2 full weeks . Had to go to PT for UST , Heat , TENS and manual adjustment, felt like my pain got back just as I felt before my surgery. But still hoping for that one day I could squat my own body weight iA . I m 32 yrs old male , 82 kilo weight , 5'11" tall.
You will have to take some extra time to study the program and learn to move properly and safely under the bar. You might need to travel to get to an SSC (Starting Strength Coach) or get some online consultation, using the same money you spend on that other stuff that probably doesn't work
Thanks , I m considering online coach
Will is THE MAN
Where is this at on the network? Do we have to wait till Friday?
Yessir
Agree with all the points. I just wished they didn't discourage mobility/stretching/recovery so hard. The first two years of lifting left me very strong in one plane but had to rehab for a year and do yoga/foam rolling/recovery exercises to be able to lift heavy again, and be more flexible for long term (Male, 36). Slow and steady wins the race, sometime the over focus on maxing out fast is great for the ego but long term want to stay strong and mobile. :) Keep lifting!!
I think you might have been tricked by a PT. You had to "rehab" from what? And how did foam rolling rehab whatever need to be? I don't mean if it felt good, I mean how did it actually rehabilitate you?
I think you may have confused my point. In the scenario I gave, I stated that I asked the physical therapist colleague to explain why tight hip flexors were the pain generator for this particular patient with recent onset knee pain. The pain was correlated with a radical increase in physical activity over a short period of time, and my contention was that improper loading was to blame.
The problem arises when competition enters into the mix thats when serious injurys can occur.
Simply going to a competition will injure you? Well why would you go and do that?
I bet if Rip did Yoga he wouldn’t be having as much back pain. But he is only a believer in his program. I started yoga years ago and I’ve had little to no back pain. If I hadn’t my back would be fucked up by now.
Having back pain and having a "fucked up back" are kinda different. Lifestyle also plays a role in that, from what I understand, Rip had a pretty active and risky lifestyle and accumulated a bunch of injuries over time. But why are we taking him as a sample for the population?
@@Francesco-cj3oi because that’s what the ‘comments from the haters’ people always do.
‘Why isn’t Rippetoe like Arnold in his prime at the age of 65; oh yeah it’s cos of his program’
Kneeeeeeez?
tf the last couple of years must have been really hard on clarence kennedy he aged decades
Is Will really under 5' tall?
Pretty close. 5’5”-5’6” depending on the day and the time of day.
Squats rows and deads may fix some weak people's back pain, but it sure as shit creates mine.
Damn Rip, are you losing weight? You look skinny.
Not enough mee-ulk
There is no correlation between tendon pain and working out? Bullshit. Tendinitis is from overuse. That can be directly related to working out if you didn’t feel it before then.
True, and yet it could also be a function of diet, namely, too much carb intake and not enough protein.
@I Dissent Agreed. Diet is a major factor, which some fail to consider.
@I Dissent No argument. You can't outlift or outrun a bad diet.
I believe I said that most cases of tendinitis that I see in my clinic are from course of life or occupational stressors that become aggravated in the gym. I’m quite certain I never used the phrase “no correlation”, as that would be intellectually dishonest. Most people, however, do not train hard enough, long enough, or intensely enough to develop true tendinitis from the gym. Perhaps later in the discussion when I talk about disuse injuries, it might be more clear. Please keep in mind that the answer to this question was based on statistics and professional experience in the clinical settings I have worked. Not being the most common injuries does not mean I am saying they don’t exist.
I went back and listened to that portion, and you have a point. The way I phrased it in conversation was not clear. I said most of what you see did not start in the gym, and that should have been “most of what I see in the clinic did not start in the gym”. Perhaps you could appreciate that this particular podcast is done with no scripting and no read ahead, so the discussion is off the cuff and things may not be articulated perfectly in natural conversation all the time.