Orijen Tundra dog food review: Why this food makes me mad
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2023
- Orijen is a popular brand emphasizing on high protein and grain free options. But is this actually good for your pet? Watch this video to help learn how to sift through what is important on the label and what is a pet food marketing trap.
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What dog food do you recommend for a senior dog
Is orijen amazing grain kibble safe? I heard grain free could be bad for their heart because of certain ingredients, but their amazing grain doesnt seem to contain so im wondering if that is safe to feed my doggos???
I’d say a grained version would be safer yes.
Hi Dr. Rea what about Farmina fish grain inclusive is this decent? I have a boxer with chicken allergy. I’ve tried pro plan my dog won’t eat it and science diet has chicken any suggestions?
I’m in the process of gathering information to review farmina so I should have some info in a few weeks
Thank you Dr. Rea
Hi! Thank you for the review!
So prior to putting my dogs on this food, I first had them on Blue Buffalo, then Hills, then Purina pro plan sensitive stomach. For each of those foods, recommend by my vet, my pups had horrible stool. I’m talking constant mushiness and when semi-firm, it had yellow and Orange mucous in the stool.
I started looking into raw, freeze dried and came across this food. Then voila, now their stool is firm, not dry, but a really good stool, no mucous. Their skin is also much better. I get what you’re saying, but my dogs are so much better on this food.
It’s all about the individual, I’m talking about in generalities in these videos. Your pet may have specific needs and this deviation from the standard may be right for them. When I see my personal patients these would be all the things we discuss. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
I don’t make recommendations on this Chanel, I reserve that for my individual patients whom I am personally acquainted. I review what I’m asked. And these video are meant to stimulate thought and maybe drive specific questions to your personal vet. There are certainly foods that get close to perfect, but perfect for my pet may not be perfect for your pet
A few points I feel need to be addressed... First of all, "biologically appropriate" is not a marketing tactic specific to dog foods; it's a phrase commonly used especially in wildlife cases to define what foods are most appropriate and beneficial to a species. Dr. Karen Becker used a perfect example in an interview: a worm's biologically appropriate food is dirt and a hummingbird's is nectar. But you would never feed a worm nectar or a hummingbird dirt. Another phrase I believe you misinterpreted is "whole prey diet", as this is NOT the same as by-product. By-product is defined as "the leftovers of an animal after its been slaughtered and all desired edible parts have been removed". So, yes this can mean organ content as well, but the big difference here is the quality. Whole prey implies all edible parts of the animal, including the desired parts that are removed from by-products. Also, AAFCO is a non-governmental organization with zero regulatory authority. They basically just help enforce what pet food companies can say on their packaging and provide minimum nutritional requirements, although these requirements do not specify where the nutrients have to come from. I'm not saying AAFCO is bad, I'm simply stating they're not a true regulatory authority like the FDA is.
Lastly I would like to say, I acknowledge your education and practice, but unfortunately I believe traditional veterinarians simply are not given the proper training and guidance when it comes to pet nutrition -- from a wildlife biologist
Thanks for sharing your perspective. My point is none of that is relevant if the food can’t meet the basic published nutrition standards. If they did, then of course all other aspects come into play. Also what other supplemental training would you feel vets should have. Many of us have secondary and tertiary degrees in fields such as animal science and biology such as yourself. I have the opportunity to give feedback to certain veterinary colleges to I may be able to make helpful suggestions
@@AnimalDocRea I'd beg to differ the food does meet basic nutrition standards, but that's just me. There seems to be many online variations of the AAFCO Nutrient Profiles, but with the ones I found there was no maximum for protein and fat. Also this could be debated because I think we can agree every dog is different, and some may require more or less protein/fat than others. As for the supplemental nutrition training for vets, I'm not sure what is commonly available there, but it would be nice to see more educational courses that are not supported or funded by pet food companies in any way. In my experience, I learned the most with wildlife and animal rescue rehabilitators and seeing what they feed their animals and the extraordinary progress and success rates they receive. These rehabilitators usually feed fresh, whole foods to their animals, and absolutely no packaged foods/meals. There's a huge difference in nutrient bioavailability depending on where the nutrients come from (fruit, grains, meat, etc) and what species is eating the food (horse, cat, raptor, etc). My current dog cannot digest any fruit, veggie or grain properly. He gets extremely gassy, constipated and smelly. Yet, when he eats purely fresh meat, he does fantastic without any issues! Overall, it's great to know there's so many options out there for pet food as obviously not every dog is going to do well on the same food :)
Fyi, I don't even feed Orijen dog food but I've seen dogs do really well on it which is why I felt the need to comment.
I appreciate it, it’s good to get people thinking. Also, the text I use to reference is small animal clinical nutrition and a free link is in my description box. I believe there may be a chapter on wildlife. Wildlife Medicine is out of my lane so I’m not one to comment on species I’m not familiar with. I do work with an associate that does exotics and wildlife in my practice and some of thier nutrition requirements are wild. It’s also sad how many of the exotics we see are because of the nutritional or husbandry deficiencies because of lack of proper public education. I’m trying to get her to do a little information session maybe on Instagram but she’s really shy so….
Hi! I love for you to review all the kibbles from Open farm
I’ve had several requests for that and have started looking into it
Thank you for the awesome review and detailed breakdown! Just subscribed ☺️ Will possibly be looking for a kibble alternative. Is there any other better option available?
Awesome! Thank you! Tons of options, it’s just about understanding how to push past the marketing and focusing on the facts. I think in my video on royal canin cat foods I introduce a very easy scoring system you can use to compare foods and the closer to a perfect 10 the better the food
The whole thing with byproducts confuses me. You get people shouting from the rooftops about how awful byproducts are, but if you look at pretty much any raw diet, a good portion of it is most likely byproducts. I have no issue with them so long as they're clearly labelled on the packet - but that goes with virtually every ingredient for me, I can't stand vagueness when it comes to ingredient labelling :')
Just to ask - with the nutritional requirements for dogs that you show in your review videos, do you have those available to download? It'd be incredibly helpful to have them saved so that I can refer back to them when needs be. Especially since my dogs are technically seniors, but they're still doing great on an adult dog food so I want to have the information for senior dogs on hand just in case they need it c:
I’ve a link to the text small animal nutrition for free download in my description box, I think you will enjoy it. I also have some other vey helpful links.
@@AnimalDocRea Thank you - I think I worded my comment badly, I was looking for the table that you use which shows the guidelines for a dog's nutritional needs based on their lifestage. Like the one shown at 14:08. I've found your other videos showing the guidelines for adult and senior dogs, so I've got those saved for when I need them! Just a quick question though. With the vitamin E and vitamin C levels shown on the table, what are those measured in? IU, mcg, mg or something different?
@TheyCallMeChips the vit E is in IU. I don’t have the charts in a downloadable form and I’m not sure how to post content to allow download but I’ll look into it.
@@AnimalDocRea I've managed to create my own table including the nutritional guidelines you showed, so that's easier than faffing around with trying to download it. I've decided to leave off Vitamin E and C for now though since it's honestly just confusing me too much :')
A raw diet has no by products. By products are the uneatable parts like beaks and feathers. Organs are not by products. Neither is bone. She is not a holistic vet. They know nutrition
Hi, what do you think about freeze-dried dog foods? Thanks
It depends if they are raw freeze dried or cooked freeze dried
Please tell me what you recommend we feed our dogs. What do you feed your dogs, PLEASE.
I also have a puppy
I have several playlists with some good options for you to look through. Puppy and adult
So what do I need to buy for my micro bully
It depends on the lifestage. Bully’s are prone to obesity so avoid anything “all life stages”
Thanks for the review. Any recommendation on food for an American Staffy?
There is no cookie cutter perfect food. But the most important is that the garunteed analysis is in line and that it is not all life stages
@@AnimalDocRea Do you think you might be able to review BullyMax? We just inherited a American Staffordshire Terrier and the UA-cam channels that speak to Pit Bull types don't go in depth on food like you do plus they advocate raw diets. It would be good to have a professional voice on the feeding of these very sweet and much maligned dogs.
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I have an American staffy too and she has allergies. What food do you give your baby? We are making her own food but wanted to give her kibble too. She also has to take a pill from the vet
@@FranciscoDelValle180same thing I need for my APBT/Staffordshire Terrier Mix.
Great video. Call it as it is even if it is a bad review. We need the truth!!!
I have four full-blooded German shepherd dogs. I am looking for the best dog food quality there is out there to feed them. I just don’t understand how is dog food with grain and rice. Good for them if they would not eat that in the wild, I understand they are domesticated dogs but there’s no way they would be eating rice or grain in their natural diet.? Please educate me
It’s not about feeding them what’s in the wild but feeding them to optimize health. In the wild dogs ancestors would eat whatever they could find including carcasses of other dead animals. There is nothing optimized by eating a diet like that.
Thank you for the interesting perspective
Well you will find that chapter on working dogs very helpful
A balanced raw diet is the best
Because have been domesticated and no longer resemble wolves in their dietary needs from a medical standpoint. Think how much a chihuahua actually resembles a wolf. You can watch my video on grain free for more detailed ex
I almost fed this food once. What is your opinion on freeze dried raw dog food ?
Anything raw is a no. Freeze dried preserves bacteria so even more no
I think a good review will be Dr Marty vs Dr Harvey’s dog food
I just found you and this video. I appreciate you and all the hard work you put into providing such valuable information for our pets.
I've been trying the Orijen (puppy) for my young Golden Retriever, at the suggestion of one of the workers at Petco. I soon regretted that decision. My pup developed a very soft stool. So - now I'm experimenting with 'nulo' (puppy). It seems comparable to other popular brands. I guess I would like to know your thoughts. My vet. recommended S.D. for large breeds but I've not been successful finding it at my local Petco or Petsmart. I hate to keep switching foods on him. He eats Everything put before him, but I don't want to keep doing what might be harmful to him. Thanks for all you do!
Your welcome, I’m glad it was helpful to you.
Someone familiar with Goldens here. They typically have sensitivity to high protein foods. This gives them soft to watery stool. Lower (less than 26) is better for Goldens, but supplement with a hardboiled egg at least once a week.
What dry food should I feed 1,5 year old female border collie?
Adult Dog foods scoring 7-10
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Hi, can you please provide some references on why raw dog food is not recommended?
Each video has links in the description box to the ACVN and WASAVA, there is also a full text link to the small animal clinical nutrition text.
@@AnimalDocRea thank you but I would like to what specific studies you are referencing, most of studies I've seen on raw food are from 20 yrs. ago.
@jim6335 I’ve not referenced or sited any studies in this video.
I’m referencing in general to the current recommendations as outlined in the links provided. Please refer to the links I’ve mentioned above and they list the specific references and studies. In the event that I do refer to a specific study, I will give full citation in the description box or on screen.
@@AnimalDocRea I recently found out that WSAVA is funded mostly by Hill's, Purina and Mars. Big surprise. Also several pharmaceutical companies that make vaccines. The lead DVM who came up with their guidelines is Lisa Freeman. Who is paid by Hill's and Purina to do work for them. I wonder why they don't recommend raw? Happy Mewsday!
Ok, I keep saying this is your best video, but this might be your best video! George commented on my channel that if people focused on nutrients instead of ingredients, most food companies would go bankrupt! And they should! You’re the younger female version of me! Lol! Just imagine a dog with undiagnosed renal insufficiency on this diet! Keep up the great work! I know you’re helping animals by educating their owners!
I thought it was a bit harsh, but unlike the ingredient list ….the numbers don’t lie
@@AnimalDocRea ooh, that’s a good quote! I might use that! Nah, harsh is my schtick! You’re too nice!
Or what do u recommend for a dry food . I have a 8 years old pitbull
Id find something that matches the standards for a senior. I have a short for that or there is a reference chart in the text linked in the description box.
@AnimalDocRea I'm watching your videos as we speak. You can't just tell me what u recommend for my dog .
@AnimalDocRea With all due respect if you're a veterinarian and have youtube videos telling people what not to feed then when asking I think u should tell them what to feed. I don't want to go through 30 videos to figure out the answer when ypu just Recommend one or 2 me it's OK thank you.
@calidog447 thanks for watching. my goal of this channel is to teach people how to interpret lables and gain the knowledge so they can make informed decisions and conclusions devoid of the emotional black mail in pet food marketing. I don’t make recommendations because I’m not personally acquainted with your pet and I reserve more direct answer to that question to your personal vet. I take requests for help interpreting food labels and that’s where my videos come from and are limited to such. I do however have a playlist that you may find useful. Adult Dog foods scoring 7-10
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@AnimalDocRea OK thank you I will look into it . Athena my female is my baby I want her to live a long @ health life I love her she's my best friend that's why I ask and want to know but thank you 😊 🙏
So many people think if the pet food is expensive it is better. A lot of people also think Purina and Hills are horrible big corporations and little petite brands are better.
I think the problem with petite brands is they don’t have the money to hire real veterinary nutritionists and they try to be creative…creative is fine….but you have to make sure it’s bettering the food, not making it worse, and without a nutritionist to validate the creativity we get these foods that are really unique, but at the expensive of nutrition which ultimately translates to expense paid by the pet
Can you please review NutriSource?
Yes, it’s in the works
What I'm concernes about is vets not acknowledging the benefits of a raw diet because they want to benefit from veterinary foods. Classic outdated vet "advice"
It is not that we do not acknowledge there could be benefits to raw, it is that the perceived risk does not outweigh the benefits. Avoiding raw is the current guidelines set forth by the American College of veterinary nutrition. These are boarded specialists both in veterinary medicine and nutrition and are considered the utmost authoritative on animal nutrition based on current research. The advice I’m giving is actually the gold standard and is current. As a veterinarian I don’t have the luxury of making recommendations to my patients that are contrary to the current literature. When sufficient studies have been done and the experts revise their recommendations, I will advise otherwise. Thank you for the discussion, I appreciate your perspective. I do find however your suggestion that vets recommend veterinary diets for personal financial gain hurtful.
@@AnimalDocRea there's always those that see conspiracy and collusion in everything.
Can you do a video on raw foo?
@@frank.arroyo.sports because raw is not recommended by WASAVA or ACVN i can’t in good faith recommend it to the masses. You would have to discuss that on an individual basis with your own veterinarian.
@@AnimalDocRea hello. I tried Orijen regional red, what are your thoughts on it? Thanks
I have a friend who lost her dog before 10 feeding Orijen. Tumour near the kidney. Their 37% crude protein scares me
Do you have a happy video of best food for young adult dogs and puppies…. PLEASE.
Hi! I was feeding orijen before mars took over and it was fine my dog liked it. I just bought a new bag and noticed bone bits in the dog food, I hadn’t realized that before and I usually check the kibble for mold or grease. If you feed orijen, just beware check your dogs kibble
Thanks for sharing!
Champion has not sold their brand to Mars.
@@Lexila1936 Did they not? I always heard that they did. I like Orijen compared to some other brands.
@@user-xe6xp3kt1c they did buy them, almost a year ago. I personally rotate my dogs kibble, raw food and their wet food. My main go-to kibble is FirstMate's perfromance. Rotating is key and adding in raw goat milk, fish and some other fresh foods!!
Mars has nothing to do with Orijen lol. Champion owns both Orijen and Acana.
I gave my puppy Farmina and he refused his dry food for 2 days. He’s a double bully and he will eat anything 😂 Anyway he is eating Orijen Amazing Grains Large Puppy. He loves it and getting him fresh organ meat was super annoying
Would you say this is better for wolves than dogs ?
I’m not trained in zoo med so I could not say what the specific requirements are for wolves.
Yeah I heard they need a lot more protein than dogs tho so I’m like hmmm maybe the wolf owners would appreciate the excess
Great video and I love the setting! I wouldn't mind if you keep filming there. It's really saddening that companies like this one don't put pets' health and well being first. Pet owners always want the best for their pets and they honestly might believe they're feeding the best but in reality they've unknowingly been misguided by the marketing. I would say to these people to just listen to their vets! Your vet also wants the best for your pet and isn't trying to trick you and has the proper tools to guide through it.
Totally agree
And I’m glad you like the new filming location because I already filmed the next 4 videos there 😜
My dog has allergy to CHICKEN. ingredient list has EGGS in it. Without any explanation what kind of eggs. Why didn't they mention which animal eggs at first place ? And do you think that my dog might be allergic to chicken eggs as well ?
It would take just a few letters to list it in the ingredients but they didn't. EGGS yeap BUT WHICH ANIMALS...
No otc diet would be restricted enough for a food trial for a truly allergic dog due to cross contamination and processing. Food trial diets have a special process and are prescription. Therefore the type of egg really isn’t relevant.
@@AnimalDocRea thanks :)
Your welcome
Champion was purchased by Mars, Inc. The company that makes all of those healthy candy bars and snacks. Mars owns 43% of the pet food market. They own Pedigree, Whiskas, and Royal Canin among others. Mars also owns two large veterinary clinic chains. I realize this is about dog food. Cats need the nutrients from secreting organs, such as kidneys and liver. They are certainly not "by-products" and better than corn gluten meal. There have been numerous dry pet food recalls, due to salmonella. I feed my two cats three small meals a day. Their main diet is raw ground beef. Once a week, they get a tin of sardines and some beef liver. They also get two different brands of grain free wet food. I can see why you shout out to Glenn's channel. I like it too! We have had some good discussions, : )
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It’s all about the transparency for me
Awesome review can you teach us more and do some reviews on wet canned food?
I can do some canned, any specifics?
@@AnimalDocRea
Good quality dog tends towards pancreatitis and allergies.
How to read the can!!!
I see, more the mechanics, yes that involves some math and until a do a formal review watch the farmers dog video, same concept
Sorry @lisa “Summer Dreamer” I don’t understand the question
You spelt Protein wrong....
I’m the worst speller, maybe when I make it big I can hire a professional editor 😅
@@AnimalDocRea You'll be swell, you'll be great. Gonna have the whole world on a plate! Everything's coming up Roses! And you thought "I" was annoying! LOL
Its so infuriating. You hear one person saying Orijen is good and then another say its not. What is pup parent to do? We want to feed our pups/dogs good food that is doesn't cost to much money.
I’m a numbers person so I go with the numbers and data. So for me I believe in concrete evidence driven decision process. That’s why I share with you the numbers and then let you decide. Now you have seen the data I present and compare that to the other data you have heard. The problem is a lot of what others say is not data driven but emotion driven or hypothetical extrapolated from human nutrition and medicine and that’s what’s confusing. Just because it’s more expensive doesn’t mean it’s better or the “ingredients” are better or even that those ingredients are compiled in a way that’s nutritionally sound. That’s what the companies want you to think and naturally it seems that would be true, but I’d like to show a fresh perspective illustrating that is not always the case.
It is a good food.
What annoys me is the fact that these companies get away with it
Also the extortionate prices the companies charge it’s just awful for a sub standard food which they couldn’t care if any dogs suffered I myself wouldn’t touch this dog food with a barge pole
And as a vet I often feel defeated because people will believe a publicly traded company with no personal knowledge of their pet over a doctor who sees the pet every year and has a personal and emotional investment into their pet. But that’s what millions of dollars of marketing can achieve.
@@AnimalDocRea Its just really scary how far company’s will actually go but I no one thing I will always listen to my vet
Much appreciated
Orijen gave my dog severe diarrhea.
Sorry to hear that, did you do a slow transition?
@@AnimalDocRea very slow. She actually finished one small bag fine. Second was the issue.
@happypuppy8221 hopefully she’s back on track soon
@@AnimalDocRea she is now. Different food.