This is the most fun I’ve had on a healing class I usually never play! Have always hated fist weaving but this changes the game! The amount of CDs and pure healing pump is incredible! Please keep making these guides and keeping them updated! Would have never known this was viable without the vid.
You have mmmm 4 casters heals... 5 if you play wrong paladin, sooo pls as a monk heal player i hope on every season they delete the caster versión, because his Melee fistheal versión its the funnyest Game play than a heal can have, glory of Chi-ji and suck this fuking yulong xD
@@reelengi8994why not support both playstyles? I think it's awesome that monk has two different viable healing playstyles. I hope they keep it that way
@@danielfahimislam3166 Sorry you feel that way! Unless you're running with DPS doing a lot less than they should be, or dying constantly, healer DPS or lack of it shouldn't be significant enough to hold anyone back until you're pushing beyond +12. If you find it IS holding you back, it might help to make a quick list of what's holding your group back - low DPS, avoidable damage, deaths, etc. - and figure out what's actually causing your keys to deplete.
Thanks for taking the time to give us this guide! I love casting mistweaver and have been looking for a great build. These builds feel really good and I love the lightning build for m+. Keep up the great work on your mythic raiding adventures, very inspiring.
Can't tell you how nice it is too see some range weaving..... been playing range mistweaver for years and for a while range weaving didn't even seem like a viable option. So glad to see it back! Thank you for the video and the builds 🌸
Hey Luno, thanks for this video man!!! Very thorough and well explained. I have 2 different friends who want to play caster MW and are leveling alts, I'm gonna send them this :) have a good one!
I'm a Brewmaster/Windwalker who has dabbled with Fistweaving, but never felt I had enough knowledge to take the plunge into full casting Mistweaver. I really appreciate your insights on this, and I'm looking forward to giving this a try sometime!
ran a caster build a bunch a few weeks ago in M+ and It felt really good. After gearing up a bit i went back to fist weaving + peer into peace for that emergency ramp though just eats a ton of mana. The more caster oriented build i feel is much easier to carry teams with bad interrupts. Was going to run it some more this weekend. Perfect timing of this vid. I feel healer damage really is low enough that doing a much higher hps focused build is much more viable now.
100% agree. I'd be afraid to try fistweaving with my usual group, we time +10s but suck at interrupts sometimes... need to be able to pump 1-2 mil hps at a moment's notice!
I've been a caster MW since WoD. I know it's not the most popular way of healing as a MW these days, but it's what I'm used to and I know it very well.
Man, huge congrats on the video. Super well done, really thoughtful. So nice to finally see another casting mistweaver. My builds are the same as yours since I don't really vibe with the full melee style. I miss the haste with the celestial summon tho :( it was an easier talent to get in dragonflight. Keep it up
Thanks, and same! I wish I felt like I could drop any of the other talents and get Invoker's Delight in my dungeon build, but there are just too many other good options. Maybe it won't be so bad 1-2 seasons from now when we have more haste. :D
@@Ebonit1207 That's cool! I've thought about trying that build sometime since I'm getting a little practice with MoH on Mythic Broodtwister. For M+ I prefer not having to play around TFT, and I like how quick I can pivot with Conduit if something goes wrong, but a little more time playing MoH in raid might make me want to change things up. :D
W guide. Been tinkering with caster MW in +11-+12s lately. Adding rushing wind kick while putting every other talent towards pure caster throughput has felt pretty good. can still average 300-400k overall damage while having enough healing CD to pump through anything.
Rocking the 20 anniversary “T2“ monk set. I think it is the best of all anniversary sets and I think also the best tier set for monk period 🐉 Thanks for the guide. Didn’t know casting mw was a thing, only saw fistweaving which added too many dmg keybinds for me to the base healing kit
11.0.5 brought interesting changes that support this build, but only in raids - Jade empowerment does crazy damage, which is something casting MW almost doesn't have (since you skip melee completely) + rushing wind kick for raids is now incredibly strong and allows you to cast at 25 y range (almost like evoker, extending your rising mist). I would emplore you however to try Fistweaving, with these new talents, in m+ Fistweaving (with high haste) feels super strong = for trash packs you just spin to win and if there's a need to not be in melee just roll out + thunder focus tea and go Jade empowerment to top everyone up. A perfect combination of melee and ranged. In M+ also, in higher keys every bit of damage matters & as casting mistweaver you're putting your team in disadvantage (fistweaving + jade empowerment can do 500k+ DPS).
I appreciate the thought! I've heard about fistweaving being really strong DPS with the new talents in M+, but still prefer casting/ranged. You're right that healer damage matters in higher keys, but for players not interested in going higher than +10s, I think it's even less necessary than it used to be (who knows, maybe S2 will be tuned harder), and a lot of healers just don't enjoy feeling pressured to do DPS. Sure, the lack of healer DPS may be a disadvantage, but in my experience the main factors in bad runs are almost always avoidable damage, failed mechanics, and deaths. Most pugs won't see things that way though, and at the end of a failed run everyone wants someone to blame, so casting MW will probably continue to have a weak reputation in M+ despite everything.
Thanks for making this guide. Top WoW guides like wowhead and icyveins shove fistweaving down your throat and completely neglect the casting mistweaving playstyle. This is exactly what I wanted and your guide was very well explained.
Bullshit. Both IV and WH have both a casting and fisting option for both M+ and Raid. It was the same for DF S3 and S4 bc I played a monk for both seasons.
Thanks, glad you liked it! Icyveins has gotten a lot better about supporting both playstyles, not sure about wowhead but I generally don't trust them as much as IV when it comes to talents and BIS lists. :)
@@1aml3g3nd13yeaah, no. i literally just came from IV, their mythic talent build is straight fisting. Their RAID talent build has casting, but not mythic
Those guides are made for the most optimal playstyle. The most optimal playstyle for mistweaver is melee. You are a melee healer, you are flagged in the games code to get melee mechanics, NOTHING you do is going to change that. Up until this patch you didn't have any good options for damage at range, now you do every thirty seconds. This play style is fine but you really should keep in mind you get melee mechanics and should basically float in and out of melee. Not trying to preach, just trying to help fellow mistweavers understand.
great guide... you explain everything clearly and in a compelling way for casting MW... pls let me clarify tho, does the renewing mist from Rapid diffusion benefit from chi harmony at all?
Hi, sure! For me it's scroll up for soothing, down for enveloping, extra button for renewing, and mmb for cocoon -- I don't have a fancy gaming mouse so the rest I've got bound to numbers or letters, but it works well enough for me :D
I was really hoping for a "caster rushing wind kick build explanation". I've been seeing this in top raid parses but i've been struggling to pump with that iteration. But i will try ancient teaching/jade crackling variant for raid. Didn't see this before and never personally tested this in raid but seems fine/strong/fun.
LBNinja explains it pretty well in case you haven't checked him out yet. I've seen some of those parses too, but I'm personally not a fan of playing Rising Mist and having to hit RWK on CD. I know it doesn't even need to hit a target to proc both effects, but dropping ToM and PiP is too much for me - I guess I prefer the lazy build with fewer buttons, for now at least. :D
Thank you for this guide. I am new to mistweaver and this guide has made me want to level my monk and heal as a caster weaver. I know this is a dumb question but do all damage spells heal as a mistweaver? or just some.
Glad you liked it! Not a dumb question at all; they made Ancient Teachings passive in TWW and it converts 30% of Tiger Palm, Blackout Kick, Rising Sun Kick, and Crackling Jade Lightning to healing -- it's not much on its own but it can be modified by Jadefire Teachings to be pretty strong for 15 seconds after casting Thunder Focus Tea (especially with Jade Empowerment for empowered lightning). Aside from that, Spinning Crane Kick heals only if you talent into Jadefire Stomp+Awakened Jadefire.
Thank you. i was basically giving up Monk healing because every single guide push towards healing through punching... And I tried, but that style just don't click with me. At. All.
Thanks for the video! I'm a novice fistweaver but never tried casting. I would love an honest-to-god basic rotation to learn so I can get started with casting. If a beginner fistweaver is told to "stomp + spin to win", what's an equally simple mantra for a beginner caster to focus on?
I think it's just put your Renewing Mists on different players whenever they're up, maintain channeling Soothing Mist on the tank or someone else, and Enveloping Mist + Vivify during the channel if they need healing. Those are the basics, we basically just do more or less of that depending on how much healing is needed. :D
Thank you for this! I was doing caster MW in SL and DF (early season) and I just like it. So I was hoping to try again in TWW, however, no one really has a guide on it. Thank you for doing this.
Thanks for watching! Icyveins has gotten pretty good about supporting Tear of Morning builds! I don't agree with every one of their talent choices but I think they're a good resource :D
I just dinged 80 and did some work to get to 600ilvl.. my stats are a mess and I have almost 9% haste... should I do a more melee focused build and switch over to this once I gear and get my haste up a bit?
I've heard a few people say it bugs sometimes, but I haven't noticed anything. If you're spec'd into Jadefire Teachings and you use lightning within 15 seconds of using TFT it should do a lot of healing, as long as it's hitting multi targets and they're not dying mid-channel, if it isn't I'm not sure why :(
It's definitely good enough, but during downtime we might melee a bit (even without fistweaving talents) if we want more DPS besides lightning procs. 300k seems right, earlier this week I did 267k in a Mists, 207k in DB, and 291k in a CoT without trying too hard to DPS, so definitely doable! 👍
I've been having luck with the 3 stack talent instead of peer into peace. The extra charge combined with the chi harmony talent just ends up being more healing due to the vivify cleave, especially in raid but also in keys. On something like the trash right after the first boss in raid i can burst up to 3.5m hps with no soothing mist and simply doing a casting version of the ramp due to having bis trinkets, reneweing mist tea'd and yulon's to burst up to 143% haste (sit at 33% when flasked). currently 4/8myth and 3150io @ 621ilvl and having a blast with fistweaving in keys/ Yulon caster in raid. The chain jade lightning is nice as an alternative to SCK but could maybe still use some work as the single target healing is untouchable, but the overall healing tends to be lower than crane kick in a key albeit more unpredictable. Damage is about equal. Hate how unviable the rushing wind kick is vs ancient teachings as a choice, just feels bad. Same with the shadow pan talents vs celestials, they just simply don't stack up to the alternatives in throughput but are fun in lower keys due to the ability to save damage procs for situations to make dps feel bad about themselves. As far as thunder focus tea, you should only use it on something other than renewing mists if 1:someone will die without the extra heals, 2: sheilunes 7+ stack go for crit on rsk, 3. rsk before revival. The haste buff should be your go to outside of those 3 situations.
That's cool, I personally prefer the Soothing Mist playstyle but I know a lot of MWs (especially fistweavers) don't. In the same way, my build's especially for people who want to play more caster-style without playing melee or hybrid - we don't even need to hit RSK to put up good numbers. 100% agree that the new jade lightning talent needs to be more viable for single-target, but for AoE it feels great, especially in M+, or on fights like Ulgrax and Broodtwister. Agree again, RWK is great but being on a choice node with JFT is tragic. MoH could be nice in keys if they add crackling jade lightning to the hero talent triggers but losing Conduit would still hurt. Sounds like we play a little differently but both ways work! I love healing that first pack after Ulgrax - this week I burst almost 4.5mil hps. :D
@@lunolarks9792 Between that pack and the initial burst on queen are my favorite healing spots this expansion, nothing touches monk in terms of "set up early because this is gonna hurt" type of healing rather than the reactionary style of something like pally. I'm definitely a melee player in terms of healing. Rdruid, Hpally and MW monk, the only healers i've played, all primarily melee lol. You definitely parse a couple higher than me on most of your heroic clears, but we also run with a 528 hpriest who well overheals to be able to parse well for the heroic kills. Still talking high 80's with a couple low 90's though so definitely happy with where the class is at right now. Ran Hpally S1 and S2 dragonflight and can't say the monk has ever felt quite as strong as that did in the hayday for keys. There's just something about the damage profiles in NW and stonevault that have been holding me back from anything higher than an 11 which is a bit frustrating. (speaking completion or timing, I simply can't get through the second boss in NW on an 11 or the duo bosses in stonevault, not saying it's all me, not saying it isnt all me lol) All in all, im stoked to see so many new MW content creators, Megasett and LB are great and all, but seeing other high ranking monks running different specs is pretty darn cool too.
@@MDxGano Right! Parses for me are a guilty pleasure but I hate how they're so dependent on the rest of the group, I wish we had more fights that let us maximize healing instead of just trying to beat others to a little bit of healing at a time. Stonevault feels pretty good throughout as full caster (a lot of it seems anti-melee from my perspective), but even though my group's probably done NW a hundred times between shadowlands and now, that second boss goes wrong so fast if we break CCs and don't interrupt... (both of which we do a LOT lol). Yeah, it's great seeing all the new MW content creators and different builds, I just wish the class discord was a little more encouraging of different options but everyone always wants to play the "best" way. After all the attention we got after the Amirdrassil world first race, I don't mind MW being an underdog so we don't get nerfed as much. As a forever caster I actually think this is our heyday now, but there's still a lot of changes I'd love to see. The only thing that might turn me off to MW is if they bring back chi. 😂
Thank you for this video 👍 Now i wish blizzard would go look at Mastery of Harmony to emphasize more the builds showed here. I would like the dommage portion of MOH to be trigger by cracklings jade for example. Why ? Because i found the other one to be weak and boring. The full canalisation doesnt allow to be safe for a huge dommage event in MM+.
Right! I don't understand why they didn't add lightning to the MoH triggers, I really thought they would. I might actually play MoH, at least in M+, if they made that change.
wago.io/KWCsPzg4X I think this is the WA I found originally, then all I did was change to the old icon (1381294). It's a little weird with the shorter CHs made by Rapid Diffusion procs, where the countdown isn't always accurate, but it's worked well enough for what I need it for!
@@lunolarks9792ok its all good now, my browser was bugged. Another question. Im seeing that you still do some melee dps, do you do to apply MT or just to help in the dps?
@@tiagopombal2028 Just to help in the DPS a bit, or if I want to apply MT right away, since Chi Wave is a little slow! I use JFT for the lightning talents in m+ now, which also means I can heal quite a bit with RSK and others while the buff is still up, but it's mostly for downtime - nothing I couldn't do just by casting.
One thing that wasn't explained, why play caster? Is it because its easier than being in melee? You rotation and ramps are almost identical minus rising sun//soothing mist. Is it the trade off for less mobility for more safety? I would love to hear in what scenarios caster really shines and it might help raise the profile for caster weavers as for a lot of players caster mist has become synonymous with a bad player and you are proof that's not true.
Ease, comfort, safety, yep! Our HPS isn't limited by as many factors, like area denial on melee-unfriendly fights, whether we're able/unable to hit multiple enemies, and it's not dependent on a melee rotation. Less skill required for sure if we're playing more casually but still want to put out big HPS. I think it can really depend on who we run with, since caster doesn't offer as much in raid if every other healer is also pumping 1.5mil HPS, or in high keys if everyone's interrupting and avoiding all the damage they should be - situations where raw HPS isn't needed as much. But in my experience, and probably a lot of players', people make mistakes, they take extra damage, they forget their defensives, so if we can just ramp away and fix all of that, then that's great. :D
It seems a lot safer! I just pick it up I usually just resto but I had my brew around and I like the melee component but it is nice to have a casting style in my back pocket! I like rolling around punch and kicking mobs in the face lol!great video I enjoyed it!
The biggest difference from my perspective is CDs. In MM+, you use chi-ji and Sheilun to heal but outside of those you lack AOE healing. With the casting build, you don't need to have your cooldowns. All you need is a bit of anticipation with pre-hot enveloping mist. The price to pay on the other hand is a lack of mobility while casting, and it's where you are going to need revival, yu'lon. In PUG that's makes it the best build.
With bro bros health bar placement I'm not surprised he plays caster. And M+ damage patterns are better for fistweaving, especially big pulls if you know how to ramp, hold kick, and cycle rsk on top of main cds. Just way more efficient
My weird ass playstyle is that I'm using caster mistweaver build but I still punch and kicks in melee 😂 Caster MW has easier time to heal and using master of harmony is probably better because of how often we would be using thunder focus tea for instant cast enveloping mists or free vivify
In M+ I still do a lot of punches and kicks in melee and it feels weird every time since I'm missing almost all of the fistweaving talents. With the lightning talents it's way better now though. I think MoH is decent for M+, but I prefer the Celestials tree since I'm not as good at managing my CDs in M+ as I am in raid, and being able to hit Conduit and make everything better with 1 button feels great. :D
I think it's still pretty popular. I still see places like icyveins and others recommending PiP (I've never trusted wowhead's MW talent recommendations), and even though some of the high parsers are playing Pool of Mists/Rising Mist, a big part of that talent involves hitting RSK/RWK which pushes away from a pure casting/ranged playstyle a bit. Still, PoM might be something I look at as an alternate build. :D
I really loved your guide. I decided to play healler in TWW and hated that every tutorial or guide for mistweaver was about healling through "slaps n kicks".
Thanks! Icyveins is pretty good about supporting Tear of Harmony builds now, but in some other places - especially when it's about healing M+ - people still talk down at people wanting to play caster.
I've always played caster Monk healer it's a joke how much healing you can pump out, and how few people actually try it as its not on any guides. It's always my go to mythic plus spec for my healer alt
Same! A lot of it's just peer pressure I think, people don't want to invest time in playing caster if they think it'll get them declined from pugs, which is a shame. The new talents should make that a bit better. :D
Im a fistweaver Stan and lover....this feels boring no offense but since i get this video on my feed i Will try it. One doubt...you dont do any dps right? Keep up the great work!
I don't do any real sustained DPS outside of Jade Empowerment procs with lightning, but so far that's been fine for casual mythic prog and +10 keys. :D
I love the slaps and kicks. I do around 600k hps and 150k dps as a 609 fistweaver. I can shoot my heals higher if need be but if that’s the case, we all usually die anyway and end up not timing the key
@@chase8020 yea I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. I’m parsing green in heals and blue to purple in damage. Ntm we have a 619 h priest and a 615 evoker. They suck up all the heals. So I do ten times the damage as they do.
@@dirkgoodman4282how is it harder? Really wondering. I’m no expert and I’ve mostly played ranged caster MW and based off of assumptions and limited experience I’ve found/thought fist-weaving was more difficult.
@@benkelly7182 I'd disagree about casting being harder, playing caster spec "perfectly" (whatever that means) might be as hard as anything else, but in general it's really flexible and forgiving as long as we're hitting our buttons. In most content we can do huge HPS just freestyling with our ramps and CDs in whatever way feels natural. 👍
@lunolarks9792 I love it. I also spec into pool of mists which grants 3 charges of renewing mists and jadefore teachings which combined with jade empowerment, my heals are insane.
This is the most fun I’ve had on a healing class I usually never play! Have always hated fist weaving but this changes the game! The amount of CDs and pure healing pump is incredible! Please keep making these guides and keeping them updated! Would have never known this was viable without the vid.
Glad you like it! Will do :D
You have mmmm 4 casters heals... 5 if you play wrong paladin, sooo pls as a monk heal player i hope on every season they delete the caster versión, because his Melee fistheal versión its the funnyest Game play than a heal can have, glory of Chi-ji and suck this fuking yulong xD
@@reelengi8994why not support both playstyles? I think it's awesome that monk has two different viable healing playstyles. I hope they keep it that way
Youre just holding your whole group back in m+ content if youre not gonna dps as much as you can.
@@danielfahimislam3166 Sorry you feel that way! Unless you're running with DPS doing a lot less than they should be, or dying constantly, healer DPS or lack of it shouldn't be significant enough to hold anyone back until you're pushing beyond +12. If you find it IS holding you back, it might help to make a quick list of what's holding your group back - low DPS, avoidable damage, deaths, etc. - and figure out what's actually causing your keys to deplete.
Thanks for taking the time to give us this guide! I love casting mistweaver and have been looking for a great build. These builds feel really good and I love the lightning build for m+. Keep up the great work on your mythic raiding adventures, very inspiring.
Thanks for watching! I love the lightning build too :D
This was so very helpful as I am getting into healing for the first time and chose Mistweaver. Great to know I can do range healing! Thank you.
Glad to hear it, hope you like it! :D
Can't tell you how nice it is too see some range weaving..... been playing range mistweaver for years and for a while range weaving didn't even seem like a viable option. So glad to see it back!
Thank you for the video and the builds 🌸
Same! We used to have it pretty rough lol. Thanks for watching :D
I pvp but this answered all the questions I had regarding spreading heals. Much appreciated.
Hey Luno, thanks for this video man!!! Very thorough and well explained. I have 2 different friends who want to play caster MW and are leveling alts, I'm gonna send them this :) have a good one!
Hope they enjoy it! :D
Glad I found this guide- I wasn’t feeling fistweaving. It just wasn’t feeling good. This looks awesome.
I'm a Brewmaster/Windwalker who has dabbled with Fistweaving, but never felt I had enough knowledge to take the plunge into full casting Mistweaver. I really appreciate your insights on this, and I'm looking forward to giving this a try sometime!
ran a caster build a bunch a few weeks ago in M+ and It felt really good. After gearing up a bit i went back to fist weaving + peer into peace for that emergency ramp though just eats a ton of mana. The more caster oriented build i feel is much easier to carry teams with bad interrupts. Was going to run it some more this weekend. Perfect timing of this vid. I feel healer damage really is low enough that doing a much higher hps focused build is much more viable now.
100% agree. I'd be afraid to try fistweaving with my usual group, we time +10s but suck at interrupts sometimes... need to be able to pump 1-2 mil hps at a moment's notice!
I've been a caster MW since WoD. I know it's not the most popular way of healing as a MW these days, but it's what I'm used to and I know it very well.
Man, huge congrats on the video. Super well done, really thoughtful. So nice to finally see another casting mistweaver. My builds are the same as yours since I don't really vibe with the full melee style. I miss the haste with the celestial summon tho :( it was an easier talent to get in dragonflight. Keep it up
Thanks, and same! I wish I felt like I could drop any of the other talents and get Invoker's Delight in my dungeon build, but there are just too many other good options. Maybe it won't be so bad 1-2 seasons from now when we have more haste. :D
Hey, personally i use master of harmony and dropped sheilun gifted for celestial summon haste buff + thunder focus tea buffs
@@Ebonit1207 That's cool! I've thought about trying that build sometime since I'm getting a little practice with MoH on Mythic Broodtwister. For M+ I prefer not having to play around TFT, and I like how quick I can pivot with Conduit if something goes wrong, but a little more time playing MoH in raid might make me want to change things up. :D
W guide. Been tinkering with caster MW in +11-+12s lately. Adding rushing wind kick while putting every other talent towards pure caster throughput has felt pretty good. can still average 300-400k overall damage while having enough healing CD to pump through anything.
I tried that for a bit! I just wish RWK and JFT weren't on the same choice node. :I
@@lunolarks9792 curious to hear your thoughts on my other comment / build :) Fellow caster MW in keys are rare haha
thank you for taking the time to make this 👍
Rocking the 20 anniversary “T2“ monk set. I think it is the best of all anniversary sets and I think also the best tier set for monk period 🐉
Thanks for the guide. Didn’t know casting mw was a thing, only saw fistweaving which added too many dmg keybinds for me to the base healing kit
Thanks. I can’t do fist weaving. It’s too much. But I love monk and this saved the class for me. Thanks.
Nicely done, I may give it a try.
DAMN IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS
Love this guide, thx
Nice work :) thank you very much
11.0.5 brought interesting changes that support this build, but only in raids - Jade empowerment does crazy damage, which is something casting MW almost doesn't have (since you skip melee completely) + rushing wind kick for raids is now incredibly strong and allows you to cast at 25 y range (almost like evoker, extending your rising mist).
I would emplore you however to try Fistweaving, with these new talents, in m+ Fistweaving (with high haste) feels super strong = for trash packs you just spin to win and if there's a need to not be in melee just roll out + thunder focus tea and go Jade empowerment to top everyone up. A perfect combination of melee and ranged. In M+ also, in higher keys every bit of damage matters & as casting mistweaver you're putting your team in disadvantage (fistweaving + jade empowerment can do 500k+ DPS).
I appreciate the thought! I've heard about fistweaving being really strong DPS with the new talents in M+, but still prefer casting/ranged. You're right that healer damage matters in higher keys, but for players not interested in going higher than +10s, I think it's even less necessary than it used to be (who knows, maybe S2 will be tuned harder), and a lot of healers just don't enjoy feeling pressured to do DPS. Sure, the lack of healer DPS may be a disadvantage, but in my experience the main factors in bad runs are almost always avoidable damage, failed mechanics, and deaths. Most pugs won't see things that way though, and at the end of a failed run everyone wants someone to blame, so casting MW will probably continue to have a weak reputation in M+ despite everything.
Thanks for making this guide. Top WoW guides like wowhead and icyveins shove fistweaving down your throat and completely neglect the casting mistweaving playstyle. This is exactly what I wanted and your guide was very well explained.
I feel the same way
Bullshit. Both IV and WH have both a casting and fisting option for both M+ and Raid.
It was the same for DF S3 and S4 bc I played a monk for both seasons.
Thanks, glad you liked it! Icyveins has gotten a lot better about supporting both playstyles, not sure about wowhead but I generally don't trust them as much as IV when it comes to talents and BIS lists. :)
@@1aml3g3nd13yeaah, no. i literally just came from IV, their mythic talent build is straight fisting. Their RAID talent build has casting, but not mythic
Those guides are made for the most optimal playstyle. The most optimal playstyle for mistweaver is melee. You are a melee healer, you are flagged in the games code to get melee mechanics, NOTHING you do is going to change that. Up until this patch you didn't have any good options for damage at range, now you do every thirty seconds. This play style is fine but you really should keep in mind you get melee mechanics and should basically float in and out of melee.
Not trying to preach, just trying to help fellow mistweavers understand.
Gonna try this! Always end up casting haha. Thanks :)
Love the content keep up the work!!!
Thanks! :D
great guide... you explain everything clearly and in a compelling way for casting MW... pls let me clarify tho, does the renewing mist from Rapid diffusion benefit from chi harmony at all?
Thanks! Yep! It creates a shorter Chi Harmony on another random target, which my WA doesn't always track properly.
Love it!
Hi, do you mind telling us what keybind do you use for soothing mist etc.
Hi, sure! For me it's scroll up for soothing, down for enveloping, extra button for renewing, and mmb for cocoon -- I don't have a fancy gaming mouse so the rest I've got bound to numbers or letters, but it works well enough for me :D
I was really hoping for a "caster rushing wind kick build explanation". I've been seeing this in top raid parses but i've been struggling to pump with that iteration.
But i will try ancient teaching/jade crackling variant for raid. Didn't see this before and never personally tested this in raid but seems fine/strong/fun.
LBNinja explains it pretty well in case you haven't checked him out yet. I've seen some of those parses too, but I'm personally not a fan of playing Rising Mist and having to hit RWK on CD. I know it doesn't even need to hit a target to proc both effects, but dropping ToM and PiP is too much for me - I guess I prefer the lazy build with fewer buttons, for now at least. :D
@@lunolarks9792 I feel you... it feels so weird to play, that's why i wanted some more info about it. I will check him out :).
Thank you for this guide. I am new to mistweaver and this guide has made me want to level my monk and heal as a caster weaver. I know this is a dumb question but do all damage spells heal as a mistweaver? or just some.
Glad you liked it! Not a dumb question at all; they made Ancient Teachings passive in TWW and it converts 30% of Tiger Palm, Blackout Kick, Rising Sun Kick, and Crackling Jade Lightning to healing -- it's not much on its own but it can be modified by Jadefire Teachings to be pretty strong for 15 seconds after casting Thunder Focus Tea (especially with Jade Empowerment for empowered lightning). Aside from that, Spinning Crane Kick heals only if you talent into Jadefire Stomp+Awakened Jadefire.
Thank you. i was basically giving up Monk healing because every single guide push towards healing through punching... And I tried, but that style just don't click with me. At. All.
Nice build! Although I must say I really dislike the statue, should I get used to it or can it be swapped for something else?
Yeah, the statue doesn't do that much, so you can definitely lose it if you really don't like it. 👍
Thanks for the video! I'm a novice fistweaver but never tried casting. I would love an honest-to-god basic rotation to learn so I can get started with casting. If a beginner fistweaver is told to "stomp + spin to win", what's an equally simple mantra for a beginner caster to focus on?
I think it's just put your Renewing Mists on different players whenever they're up, maintain channeling Soothing Mist on the tank or someone else, and Enveloping Mist + Vivify during the channel if they need healing. Those are the basics, we basically just do more or less of that depending on how much healing is needed. :D
@@lunolarks9792 thanks for the reply, I'll give it a shot!
Just tried this after seeing the vid, this is by some way the most chilled healer in the game, it's awesome!
Chilled indeed. 😄
Hi, I have a question, how do you have a jade statue ?
It's a mistweaver-only talent in the monk tree!
@@lunolarks9792 Yeah, actually found it after reading.. the spells haha. And thanks a lot for the guide, really helps since I've never played MW !
Thank you for this! I was doing caster MW in SL and DF (early season) and I just like it. So I was hoping to try again in TWW, however, no one really has a guide on it. Thank you for doing this.
Thanks for watching! Icyveins has gotten pretty good about supporting Tear of Morning builds! I don't agree with every one of their talent choices but I think they're a good resource :D
I just dinged 80 and did some work to get to 600ilvl.. my stats are a mess and I have almost 9% haste... should I do a more melee focused build and switch over to this once I gear and get my haste up a bit?
I don't know what fistweaving feels like at low haste but you could do that!
Can u please explain for me why sometimes i use my jade after focus tea do full healing for everyone and sometimes it doesnt. What am i doing wrong?
I've heard a few people say it bugs sometimes, but I haven't noticed anything. If you're spec'd into Jadefire Teachings and you use lightning within 15 seconds of using TFT it should do a lot of healing, as long as it's hitting multi targets and they're not dying mid-channel, if it isn't I'm not sure why :(
In my experience the Vivacious Vivification can stack up twice functionally. Lots of times ill consume it then it will immediately proc again.
I love when the timing works out like that when there's actual healing needed. 👍
I have always been ranged mw, but i wanted to try fistweaving in tww, but i quickly went back to ranged :D
Hi :-) how is the dps in M+ with this casting build? I am trying to achieve 300k dps to help out the group. It’s a big game changer on the timer!
It's definitely good enough, but during downtime we might melee a bit (even without fistweaving talents) if we want more DPS besides lightning procs. 300k seems right, earlier this week I did 267k in a Mists, 207k in DB, and 291k in a CoT without trying too hard to DPS, so definitely doable! 👍
what's the thing on the left? over the chat box
That just tracks what I've been casting and on who :)
I've been having luck with the 3 stack talent instead of peer into peace. The extra charge combined with the chi harmony talent just ends up being more healing due to the vivify cleave, especially in raid but also in keys. On something like the trash right after the first boss in raid i can burst up to 3.5m hps with no soothing mist and simply doing a casting version of the ramp due to having bis trinkets, reneweing mist tea'd and yulon's to burst up to 143% haste (sit at 33% when flasked). currently 4/8myth and 3150io @ 621ilvl and having a blast with fistweaving in keys/ Yulon caster in raid. The chain jade lightning is nice as an alternative to SCK but could maybe still use some work as the single target healing is untouchable, but the overall healing tends to be lower than crane kick in a key albeit more unpredictable. Damage is about equal. Hate how unviable the rushing wind kick is vs ancient teachings as a choice, just feels bad. Same with the shadow pan talents vs celestials, they just simply don't stack up to the alternatives in throughput but are fun in lower keys due to the ability to save damage procs for situations to make dps feel bad about themselves.
As far as thunder focus tea, you should only use it on something other than renewing mists if 1:someone will die without the extra heals, 2: sheilunes 7+ stack go for crit on rsk, 3. rsk before revival. The haste buff should be your go to outside of those 3 situations.
That's cool, I personally prefer the Soothing Mist playstyle but I know a lot of MWs (especially fistweavers) don't. In the same way, my build's especially for people who want to play more caster-style without playing melee or hybrid - we don't even need to hit RSK to put up good numbers. 100% agree that the new jade lightning talent needs to be more viable for single-target, but for AoE it feels great, especially in M+, or on fights like Ulgrax and Broodtwister. Agree again, RWK is great but being on a choice node with JFT is tragic. MoH could be nice in keys if they add crackling jade lightning to the hero talent triggers but losing Conduit would still hurt. Sounds like we play a little differently but both ways work! I love healing that first pack after Ulgrax - this week I burst almost 4.5mil hps. :D
@@lunolarks9792 Between that pack and the initial burst on queen are my favorite healing spots this expansion, nothing touches monk in terms of "set up early because this is gonna hurt" type of healing rather than the reactionary style of something like pally. I'm definitely a melee player in terms of healing. Rdruid, Hpally and MW monk, the only healers i've played, all primarily melee lol.
You definitely parse a couple higher than me on most of your heroic clears, but we also run with a 528 hpriest who well overheals to be able to parse well for the heroic kills. Still talking high 80's with a couple low 90's though so definitely happy with where the class is at right now. Ran Hpally S1 and S2 dragonflight and can't say the monk has ever felt quite as strong as that did in the hayday for keys. There's just something about the damage profiles in NW and stonevault that have been holding me back from anything higher than an 11 which is a bit frustrating. (speaking completion or timing, I simply can't get through the second boss in NW on an 11 or the duo bosses in stonevault, not saying it's all me, not saying it isnt all me lol)
All in all, im stoked to see so many new MW content creators, Megasett and LB are great and all, but seeing other high ranking monks running different specs is pretty darn cool too.
@@MDxGano Right! Parses for me are a guilty pleasure but I hate how they're so dependent on the rest of the group, I wish we had more fights that let us maximize healing instead of just trying to beat others to a little bit of healing at a time. Stonevault feels pretty good throughout as full caster (a lot of it seems anti-melee from my perspective), but even though my group's probably done NW a hundred times between shadowlands and now, that second boss goes wrong so fast if we break CCs and don't interrupt... (both of which we do a LOT lol). Yeah, it's great seeing all the new MW content creators and different builds, I just wish the class discord was a little more encouraging of different options but everyone always wants to play the "best" way. After all the attention we got after the Amirdrassil world first race, I don't mind MW being an underdog so we don't get nerfed as much. As a forever caster I actually think this is our heyday now, but there's still a lot of changes I'd love to see. The only thing that might turn me off to MW is if they bring back chi. 😂
Thank you for this video 👍
Now i wish blizzard would go look at Mastery of Harmony to emphasize more the builds showed here. I would like the dommage portion of MOH to be trigger by cracklings jade for example. Why ? Because i found the other one to be weak and boring. The full canalisation doesnt allow to be safe for a huge dommage event in MM+.
Right! I don't understand why they didn't add lightning to the MoH triggers, I really thought they would. I might actually play MoH, at least in M+, if they made that change.
how are you tracking chi harmony? i cant find any way to make it work since they merged the talent into RM. what is the ID?
wago.io/KWCsPzg4X I think this is the WA I found originally, then all I did was change to the old icon (1381294). It's a little weird with the shorter CHs made by Rapid Diffusion procs, where the countdown isn't always accurate, but it's worked well enough for what I need it for!
Wanted to ask the same question
need to test those wa look pretty nice
So im trying to copy your builds but it says its an old version. Is it normal? ty in advance
That's strange, I've never seen that message - should be fine though. Is wowhead telling you it's old or WoW?
@@lunolarks9792ok its all good now, my browser was bugged.
Another question. Im seeing that you still do some melee dps, do you do to apply MT or just to help in the dps?
@@tiagopombal2028 Just to help in the DPS a bit, or if I want to apply MT right away, since Chi Wave is a little slow! I use JFT for the lightning talents in m+ now, which also means I can heal quite a bit with RSK and others while the buff is still up, but it's mostly for downtime - nothing I couldn't do just by casting.
Merci beaucoup
One thing that wasn't explained, why play caster? Is it because its easier than being in melee? You rotation and ramps are almost identical minus rising sun//soothing mist. Is it the trade off for less mobility for more safety? I would love to hear in what scenarios caster really shines and it might help raise the profile for caster weavers as for a lot of players caster mist has become synonymous with a bad player and you are proof that's not true.
Ease, comfort, safety, yep! Our HPS isn't limited by as many factors, like area denial on melee-unfriendly fights, whether we're able/unable to hit multiple enemies, and it's not dependent on a melee rotation. Less skill required for sure if we're playing more casually but still want to put out big HPS. I think it can really depend on who we run with, since caster doesn't offer as much in raid if every other healer is also pumping 1.5mil HPS, or in high keys if everyone's interrupting and avoiding all the damage they should be - situations where raw HPS isn't needed as much. But in my experience, and probably a lot of players', people make mistakes, they take extra damage, they forget their defensives, so if we can just ramp away and fix all of that, then that's great. :D
It seems a lot safer! I just pick it up I usually just resto but I had my brew around and I like the melee component but it is nice to have a casting style in my back pocket! I like rolling around punch and kicking mobs in the face lol!great video I enjoyed it!
is casting better than fist?
I'm not as familiar with fist but I'd say casting is higher HPS!
The biggest difference from my perspective is CDs. In MM+, you use chi-ji and Sheilun to heal but outside of those you lack AOE healing. With the casting build, you don't need to have your cooldowns. All you need is a bit of anticipation with pre-hot enveloping mist. The price to pay on the other hand is a lack of mobility while casting, and it's where you are going to need revival, yu'lon.
In PUG that's makes it the best build.
With bro bros health bar placement I'm not surprised he plays caster. And M+ damage patterns are better for fistweaving, especially big pulls if you know how to ramp, hold kick, and cycle rsk on top of main cds. Just way more efficient
The whole point of this is for people who don't want to do the melee part of MW - it works just fine. :D
@lunolarks9792 it's definitely viable in m+ I agree. Definitely a fun optimization
My weird ass playstyle is that I'm using caster mistweaver build but I still punch and kicks in melee 😂 Caster MW has easier time to heal and using master of harmony is probably better because of how often we would be using thunder focus tea for instant cast enveloping mists or free vivify
In M+ I still do a lot of punches and kicks in melee and it feels weird every time since I'm missing almost all of the fistweaving talents. With the lightning talents it's way better now though. I think MoH is decent for M+, but I prefer the Celestials tree since I'm not as good at managing my CDs in M+ as I am in raid, and being able to hit Conduit and make everything better with 1 button feels great. :D
Why haste?
More healing/faster ramps while our amplifiers are up!
@lunolarks9792 aw man I've been stacking crit and vers since dragonflight season 1 lol. I'll maybe swap it up now to see
but most people dont play peer into mist in raid now with 11.0.5 so the playstyle is pretty much entirely different
I think it's still pretty popular. I still see places like icyveins and others recommending PiP (I've never trusted wowhead's MW talent recommendations), and even though some of the high parsers are playing Pool of Mists/Rising Mist, a big part of that talent involves hitting RSK/RWK which pushes away from a pure casting/ranged playstyle a bit. Still, PoM might be something I look at as an alternate build. :D
Go bind all your buttons... please
I really loved your guide. I decided to play healler in TWW and hated that every tutorial or guide for mistweaver was about healling through "slaps n kicks".
Then you didn’t really look very hard.
@@1aml3g3nd13 well, I'm kinda lazy, so you're right.
Thanks! Icyveins is pretty good about supporting Tear of Harmony builds now, but in some other places - especially when it's about healing M+ - people still talk down at people wanting to play caster.
@@AAChaveiro that’s fair lol
I've always played caster
Monk healer it's a joke how much healing you can pump out, and how few people actually try it as its not on any guides. It's always my go to mythic plus spec for my healer alt
Same! A lot of it's just peer pressure I think, people don't want to invest time in playing caster if they think it'll get them declined from pugs, which is a shame. The new talents should make that a bit better. :D
Im a fistweaver Stan and lover....this feels boring no offense but since i get this video on my feed i Will try it. One doubt...you dont do any dps right? Keep up the great work!
You have the new sith lord lighting channel
I don't do any real sustained DPS outside of Jade Empowerment procs with lightning, but so far that's been fine for casual mythic prog and +10 keys. :D
Awesome vid but green party frames? MY EYES!!!
Haha sorry! I'd set them to class colors but that's always felt distracting/disorienting to me. 😂
I love the slaps and kicks. I do around 600k hps and 150k dps as a 609 fistweaver. I can shoot my heals higher if need be but if that’s the case, we all usually die anyway and end up not timing the key
@@scottadavis8086 damn those are extremely low numbers
@@chase8020 yea I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. I’m parsing green in heals and blue to purple in damage. Ntm we have a 619 h priest and a 615 evoker. They suck up all the heals. So I do ten times the damage as they do.
@scottadavis8086 you just confirmed what I said with your comment lmao. Anything below 99 is irrelevant
The dark arts.
Im a fistweaver Stan and lover....this feels boring no offense but since i get this video on my feed i Will try it. Keep up the great work!
It may look and sound boring but you should try it and see what u think. It's a bit harder to play than fistweaving
@@dirkgoodman4282how is it harder? Really wondering. I’m no expert and I’ve mostly played ranged caster MW and based off of assumptions and limited experience I’ve found/thought fist-weaving was more difficult.
@@benkelly7182 I'd disagree about casting being harder, playing caster spec "perfectly" (whatever that means) might be as hard as anything else, but in general it's really flexible and forgiving as long as we're hitting our buttons. In most content we can do huge HPS just freestyling with our ramps and CDs in whatever way feels natural. 👍
Those raid frames not being in class colours hurts my brain! The disco puke green is such an awful colour too
lol sorry! 😂
I love watching other casting Mistweavers. For stats, I absolutely avoid haste at all costs and stack Mastery and and Crit.
Interesting! I bet that works well with the mastery talents.
@lunolarks9792 I love it. I also spec into pool of mists which grants 3 charges of renewing mists and jadefore teachings which combined with jade empowerment, my heals are insane.
@@christianchamp2002 Nice, I wish Pool wasn't on a choice node with PiP, I'd love that. :(
its amazing how can you heal 10-11 keys with such a disgusting UI, get at least CELL
I miss essence Font...looked cool and was satisfying to cast.
Thank you for not being a lemming! 😄
I use to only cast heal as a mw, but since season 2 of df, I only fist weave. I fist weave in my heroic raids.
Nice! I like what they've done with FW even though I don't play it. Almost all of the mistweaver changes/reworks since S1 of DF have been great.