Mistweaver Raid Guide - The War Within (11.0)

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  • @Rileor
    @Rileor 4 місяці тому +8

    Perfect mix between covering the basics of the spells but also the specifics. The detail shown the breakdown of mechanics like Yu'lon is so useful to see and skipped over so often in guides. Thanks for the effort

  • @gunrad6165
    @gunrad6165 4 місяці тому +47

    Hey healers, melee Dps player here! thanks for healing me when I stand in literally everything! Also let's go Meg!! Wooooo!! I'm just here to signal boost!

    • @MrFiggenbaum
      @MrFiggenbaum 4 місяці тому +7

      @@gunrad6165 Your healers have you on a list. It may not be written down, but I promise they all know your name.

    • @ant4hed
      @ant4hed 3 місяці тому +1

      Honestly, in low content.. stand in everything cause it gets PRETTY boring healing in normal/heroic dungeons on the start of this xpac lol. Plus youll prob help newer healers learn how to handle the damage rather than experiencing it in high content and failing XD

    • @zacharywildes
      @zacharywildes 3 місяці тому +1

      @@ant4hed stand in everything, these heroics have been ezpz for us healers

    • @Famedawg
      @Famedawg 3 місяці тому

      @@MrFiggenbaum😂I keep such a list.

  • @muzOo
    @muzOo 3 місяці тому +8

    just found you randomly. sick channel. nice editing, music choice and you get to the point right away without all the bs talk like other youtubers.

  • @fenriszero733
    @fenriszero733 4 місяці тому +10

    Thanks over the years. You really helped with healing and VuDu.

  • @Yelficky
    @Yelficky 4 місяці тому +3

    Among all of the MW stuff I was able to find on YT, your videos were by far the most helpful - thanks!

  • @allisona4500
    @allisona4500 Місяць тому +1

    girlie THANK YOU! swear i couldn't find a video specifically for raid

  • @Tre-99
    @Tre-99 4 місяці тому +1

    amazing guide ty!. just coming back to wow as a semi newb, really loved M+ in shadowlands so im excited to heal with mistweaver in tww. i will be watching all your MW vids so i can learn, thanks!

  • @soderquistchrs
    @soderquistchrs 3 місяці тому +1

    Your vuhdo guide was immensely helpful years ago and i always come here for the new xpac or patch mistweaver run down. Thanks :)

  • @MrToastyTank
    @MrToastyTank 4 місяці тому +3

    Love what you do, I'm definitely sending this to my little brother who is trying to rock mist for TWW

  • @jonin0001
    @jonin0001 4 місяці тому +2

    Been waiting on this one. Thanks for all you do.

  • @Berthier90
    @Berthier90 4 місяці тому +2

    we love our meg, she always points out what is important

  • @Ichiban-nyan
    @Ichiban-nyan 4 місяці тому +1

    Thanks a lot Meg! love your guides! one more expansion kick-healing!

  • @clamclosia
    @clamclosia 4 місяці тому +1

    Back to back, killin the guide game this week! Thanks!

  • @Deimpjes
    @Deimpjes 4 місяці тому +2

    I'm returning after a long break. Last time I played was season 1 of DF. Thank you so much for this. Playing with Yu'lon is gonna be weird tho 😂

  • @edizersoy3298
    @edizersoy3298 4 місяці тому +2

    Yay. Was waiting for this

  • @Diphyidae
    @Diphyidae 3 місяці тому

    Played raid with the new build and it's just so much more enjoyable. The changes to gusts is absurdly good and makes the playstyle feel so much smoother.

  • @marcuspmedeiros
    @marcuspmedeiros 4 місяці тому +1

    Loved the guide, ty, Meg!

  • @Awesomebulba
    @Awesomebulba 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for breaking down yulon, ive always played with chiji and m+ so had no idea what to do with yulon in raids 😅

  • @hyeon-seongko4131
    @hyeon-seongko4131 4 місяці тому +1

    Thanks a lot. This guide is very useful

  • @sikhjatt23
    @sikhjatt23 4 місяці тому +2

    Hey meg, any intention on doing a build guide for delves? Now that they are gonna be a pillar of content. Ty for your hard work :)

  • @maxchar4739
    @maxchar4739 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you monk Megasett, we do not deserve you 🙏🏻

  • @matsuba4230
    @matsuba4230 2 місяці тому +1

    Hey, you can play one speact of full casting, and some time push for stun or kick ? I rly don’t like Rhys mêlée spect…

  • @ramones1314
    @ramones1314 3 місяці тому

    Ok, I took MW out for a spin in LFR and was doing okay???? But something I just wasn't sure how they worked or why I wanted certain talents and this video was a huge help holy crap.

  • @bengisito
    @bengisito 4 місяці тому +1

    Love You Meg the bestttt❤

  • @Xseroz-wow
    @Xseroz-wow 4 місяці тому +1

    Since Gust of Mists plays a part in the rotation and overall healing during raid encounters would you opt for haste>mastery>crit>vers or stick more to crit after haste as a stat priority? This goes for the Rising sun kick build you displayed. I feel we are less mana hungry with the rising mist build altough it feels clunky when you need to triage heal because of the lack of soothing mist with their respective vivify and em insta casts.

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому +1

      Still Haste>crit>vers/mas, it's good but it's not better than crit

    • @Xseroz-wow
      @Xseroz-wow 4 місяці тому

      Ok great, good to know. Thanks a lot!

  • @jackbagdadi6117
    @jackbagdadi6117 4 місяці тому +3

    Just making sure - when you say “if you don’t take Soothing Mist, as we recommend.” You’re recommending we *dont* take it correct 😅

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому +4

      Correct! Sorry for the confusing wording

    • @jackbagdadi6117
      @jackbagdadi6117 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Megasett no no, I am new at this and decided to main MW for TWW. I’m the problem, it’s me 😂.

    • @roninkoans6065
      @roninkoans6065 4 місяці тому

      @@jackbagdadi6117 that’s why I’m here as well, so I’m also glad for the clarification as well.

  • @sam30046
    @sam30046 3 місяці тому

    Hey MW players! I have a question regarding Yu'lon! @11:39, Meg suggests to cast 3/4 EM on the raid. Should I always keep that number in mind even if our raid group will be less than 20 (closer to 10 in fact) in your opinion? Thank you folks!

  • @mapupicomics
    @mapupicomics 4 місяці тому +1

    Hi! I love these guides, I have a question since I'm super new to monk, so we should be running ranged healing for raid and Chi-Ji for M+ right?
    I have been running Chi-Ji for every type of content 😂 so if ranged is more optimal then its good to know!!

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому +1

      We are not ranged in any PVE content, but currently our best raid celestial is Yu'lon and our best m+ celestial is Chi-ji. If you're not going to be doing early AoTC or CE then you can get away with Chi-ji in raid but I didn't include it in the guide since it's not our best option

    • @mapupicomics
      @mapupicomics 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Megasett got it! Thanks!! Appreciate it 😊

  • @danieltische1493
    @danieltische1493 3 місяці тому +2

    not really getting the hang of it, when to use more vivify, when eneloping mist inbetween ramps. last wednesday was the worst heal performance i ever presented in my raid xD. some gameplay material, afterwards where we see how you ramp and you talk about why you used it at that time etc. would be really cool for the future.

    • @christopherh2694
      @christopherh2694 3 місяці тому

      Same. I tried caster and my HPS was terrible. Im def doing something wrong

    • @danieltische1493
      @danieltische1493 3 місяці тому +1

      @@christopherh2694 i got it going and around 1mil hps per Boss. Do not cast to much enveloping mist, only with procc or when all your renewing mist start to expire ( and than only 1-2). Rising Sunrise kick on cooldown every single second of the fight brings alot of hps. My Opener when there is alot of dmg in the first 30 sec. ( just testet around, 100% sure it's not perfect) On Pulltimer 5 Seconds, 2 enveloping mist on tanks, 2 renewing mist in the group, thunder focus tee, third renewing mist in the group and start Yu long ramp ( have a haste trinket i use with it). depends on haste 3 -5 enveloping mist -> sunrisekick start spamming vifivy! its really as simple as -> never overcap renewing mist, use sunrisekick on cooldown -> spam vifivy. enveloping mist is nice but if you spent to much time on it, you will loose all your hps. try to figure out the right moment for your ramp to hit the incomming damage. little by little got from 300k hps to 500.... 700 ... and depends on boss, got to 1.2 mil when everything went perfect ( which means there was alot of dmg to be healed xD).

  • @gyeegaming
    @gyeegaming 4 місяці тому +1

    shes so goated😭😭

  • @Kaganlemurloc
    @Kaganlemurloc 4 місяці тому +1

    Hi @Megasett, why taking Mending Proliferation over Shaohao's Lessons and Chi Harmony over Lotus Infusion ?

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому +1

      Chi Harm and Lotus Infusion ended up being very close numerically and Chi Harm help with prio healing more
      Mending Prolif works very well with our new tier set

    • @Kaganlemurloc
      @Kaganlemurloc 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Megasett Thanks for the quick answer

  • @Fonjask
    @Fonjask 4 місяці тому +1

    Hi! I saw some people on the Monk Discord talking about how (for raid) the Tear of Morning ("ranged" build) might be stronger than the Rising Mist ("f̶u̶n̶" "melee" build).
    Personally, I hate the ToM build and got Fyrakk CE with it begrudgingly, but if it'll be meta I'm going to switch to like, Prevoker for a tier.
    What makes you think RM is going to be stronger than ToM? Have the developers said anything about favouring it? I'm not monitoring wowhead daily so I have no idea.

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому +2

      ToM got nerfed heavily coming into TWW so RM took over again

    • @Fonjask
      @Fonjask 4 місяці тому +2

      @@Megasett Let's gooooooooooo! Thanks!

  • @dasjtrain557
    @dasjtrain557 4 місяці тому +1

    Hey Meg, i know youi're not going to recommend something suboptimal, but is Master of Harmony / Ancient Teachings raid healing even semi-viable as of right now? it'd be super nice to have it as an option for something like heroic raid. Thanks!

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому +1

      Master of Harmony not at all, but if you’re just doing a later AOTC or CE you can run chiji and AT

    • @dasjtrain557
      @dasjtrain557 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Megasett Thanks! I also saw Jak is recommending Cell for player frames going into TWW. Do you have a preference or are you planning on doing a UI video?

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому

      @dasjtrain557 I currently use Vuhdo and don’t have a reason to swap yet but Cell has been highly recommended by a lot
      I do plan on doing a UI video at some point

  • @robbyu.672
    @robbyu.672 2 місяці тому

    Question. I hear you mention soothing mist but see you don’t have it taken. *typically* I see soothe builds being completely separate from RSK builds, but both seem to have a similar Yulon ramp and burst phase. Can you run both SM and RSK? If so, what class node would you remove and would you also run jade statue for the SM heal?

  • @Sir.Vinchenzo
    @Sir.Vinchenzo 3 місяці тому

    Hi. Been watching your shorts thank you. Question. No jade fire stomp? How come?

  • @vladtehlad
    @vladtehlad 3 місяці тому

    Hey Meg, regarding talent choice - I see everyone is taking Lighter Than Air. Given that we have rolls, transcendence and tigers lust, is there really any need in taking it? Is it not worth dropping it for soothing mist, so that we have the option to have a quicker vivify cleave?

  • @Leotheleoleo
    @Leotheleoleo 3 місяці тому

    Hey, thanks for the guide! Why is everyone ignoring the second hero talent choice? It feels a lot more consistent to me. Also sunfire kick goes crazy.. why is everyone choosing celestials?

  • @MrKrychaMr
    @MrKrychaMr 3 місяці тому

    I can't seem to find the link to the Renewing Mist counter weakaura, can someone please link it, I would greatly appreciate it. I couldn't find it on wago myself either :(

  • @oneechannoecchi
    @oneechannoecchi 3 місяці тому

    hi meg, i have a question about your uptime trackers. it's about the yulon and chi ji uptime bar, it doesn't show up when i summon and on your picture there is only a red ? icon?
    what are these triggers that have to be put in to get the uptime displayed as a bar like the others? : /
    Trigger 1 is Totem and Totem Name Chi-Ji, but unfortunately this is not displayed?

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  3 місяці тому

      If your client isn’t in English you may need to change it to the translated version of whatever language you play in, I’m not sure what the totem # ID is off the top of my head and I won’t be home for a few more hours

  • @grafgray
    @grafgray 3 місяці тому

    Good day. Please tell me how much in % of what stats, and in what order should I collect them? What pre-raid - bis gear should I collect for the monk healer? I can't find this information anywhere =( You are the last hope...

  • @dittouni
    @dittouni 3 місяці тому

    I wonder how you use the hero characteristics of Conduit of the Celestials.. it isnt work well....

  • @qcoin469
    @qcoin469 4 місяці тому +1

    thank you!

  • @Quettesh
    @Quettesh 4 місяці тому +1

    What is it about pushing a melee build when even now on the latest patch the caster build is doing better? The new tier set also works better with the Tear of morning build (RM->SM->EM->V->EM on new target with Harmony->V,..... Rising mist feels underpowered in comparison since they put a cap on Invigorating mist so having Renewing mist on 6+ targets brings barely anything of value (with Zen pulse being somewhat underwhelming). It looks much closer than in S3 and 4, but its healing profile doesn't look that useful for mythic raid.

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому

      Tear of Morning has been nerfed to the point where RM is more valuable (ToM is about 5% behind RM). You can say things “feel” however you want but in the end a lot of research & testing has gone into the guides and I work with the people in peaks to make sure I’m giving the best information.

    • @Quettesh
      @Quettesh 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Megasett logs are saying a different story though

    • @Quettesh
      @Quettesh 3 місяці тому

      @@Megasett now we have HC logs, and what a surprise. Tear is perfroming better (in therms of throughput) even when 2/3 of people are playing this build (thanks to all the guides saying Tear is not competitive). It is close, but close might not be enough for mythic when monk performance is not that great overall.

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  3 місяці тому

      @Quettesh you’re more than welcome to run that but heroic logs from week 1 aren’t the best to reference when talking mythic since it’s mostly splits or overhealing for group size

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  3 місяці тому

      In the end you can play what you want since they’re not as far apart as they were in the past, but you seem to be mad about something unrelated to the game at this point and that’s not something I’m going to entertain

  • @JBSwapz
    @JBSwapz 3 місяці тому

    doesn't more stacks mean higher chance to reset Rising sun kick with Teachings of the Monestary?

  • @nozari28
    @nozari28 3 місяці тому

    This is so confusing :( am I supposed to take both Dancing Mists and Chi harmony? But don't they cancel each other out? How can I take Uplifting spirits, where would a get a point from?

  • @AudiuX
    @AudiuX 3 місяці тому +3

    I refuse to play a "caster" build and still play chiji and jadefire stomp in raid, i can perform the same as mid-high level yulon mistweavers, and even outheal on the many fights that have adds in this raid. I wish more mistweavers would not feel so cornered into playing the build that blizz has buffed to be "meta" for raiding. I also wish guides on all the major wow sites would acknowledge that there can be multiple raid builds.

  • @guerichollocou8785
    @guerichollocou8785 3 місяці тому

    I'm having trouble understanding why we are giving up soothing mist. Someone can explain that real quick please ? :o

  • @nahhsa16584
    @nahhsa16584 3 місяці тому

    Do you keep the 1min cd on yulon ? Or you use the other talent ?

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  3 місяці тому

      This is for Jade Bond but if you can't regularly get enough CDR you can run Gift

    • @nahhsa16584
      @nahhsa16584 3 місяці тому

      @@Megasett thanks dear,

  • @brokkli
    @brokkli 4 місяці тому

    Would‘ve loved to see a Chi Ji build, but I guess I‘m just old school.

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому

      If you're not going to be doing early AoTC or CE then you can get away with Chi-ji in raid but I didn't include it in the guide since it's not our best option

  • @Belugafishcat
    @Belugafishcat 4 місяці тому +1

    Meg-weaver! Make it true!

  • @chestersayuri2246
    @chestersayuri2246 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for the video, Maybe my healing will get out of the 20 in parses now :D Witch feels even worse when iam the raid leader XDDD

  • @darinbourque78
    @darinbourque78 3 місяці тому

    Do you ever use sthe stature?

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  3 місяці тому

      If you take SooM you can, otherwise no since you can’t trigger it

  • @zzz3zzz
    @zzz3zzz 4 місяці тому

    Wait why dont we take shaohaos anymore?

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому

      Mending Proliferation is better now especially w the tier set

  • @Mitjunya
    @Mitjunya 4 місяці тому

    Why do we start skipp shaohao's lessons. Is Mending proliferation is just better? And why healing elixir is not switch tallent since they move it in talent tree?

  • @dogfood142
    @dogfood142 2 місяці тому

    so we just sit here and read through the talent tree and call it a guide XD

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  2 місяці тому +2

      If that’s all you think this is I’d recommend watching it again, otherwise you’re welcome to find a different guide to learn about the spells, CDs, and spell prio (:

  • @IAttackYou
    @IAttackYou 4 місяці тому +2

    hiii Meg, hiii Chat

  • @Quettesh
    @Quettesh 4 місяці тому +1

    [Yu'lon's Grace] is nerfed so much it is almost useless, just use [Diffuse Magic] instead. It doesn't show on your logs, but it is much more useful.

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому

      Nope, it still adds up over the encounter and unless you specifically need Diffuse for the dispel or other potential 1 shot, YG is better

    • @Quettesh
      @Quettesh 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Megasett it looks better on the logs but how useful is it? Look at the overhealing on us, the tiny absorb would be otherwise healed almost immediately anyway. We also lost Dampen harm, second defensive will be really useful on mythic progression.

  • @Xaphiero
    @Xaphiero 4 місяці тому +1

    Sorry, have to reject that Mistweaver is solely a melee healer spec. Maybe that's the way to go at Mythic level content? I've only ever been interested in castweaver vs fistweaver.

    • @Megasett
      @Megasett  4 місяці тому +7

      Sorry, but it's not an opinion. All of our offensive abilities are melee (which tie into our healing), and more importantly we are coded as a melee by the game and receive melee mechanics. The only reason we have the range on our casted/healing spells is because actual ranged players exist that need to be healed from our position in melee.

    • @GoPlayMLP
      @GoPlayMLP 3 місяці тому +2

      @Xaphiero: you can disagree all you want. Mistweaver is a melee heal spec (just as paladin by the way). And as Meg correctly stated - monk receives melee mechanics. So standing in the ranged camp is literally grieving your raid. Feel free to give that information to your raidleader and then asking him if it’s okay to stand in ranged. If you’re not in a really civilian casual guild, you’ll get a pretty quick and harsh „no“.

    • @MilkshakeGuruTTV
      @MilkshakeGuruTTV 3 місяці тому

      @@GoPlayMLP I mean I personally wouldn't go stand on ranged because of the melee mechanics. I would however stand near melee or at least in evoker range so i'm not stacked on either and the ranged can get to both. Monk should have the mobility to work with melee mechanic issues at evoker range right?

  • @recordingpro
    @recordingpro 2 місяці тому

    Since it's been over a month since you uploaded this...a couple questions (and ideas for next content):
    NOTE: All of the following questions are from the Raid perspective. I don't have a problem in M+ doing the jadefire dance.
    1) Is this still your current talent spec? TALENTS: C4QAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGWYmlBwMzMWG2Y2mZ2sNLbLzMLLgYmZWwwMMMWmZmZMbMGsMTAAAAAQAWsMLLz2MzEAAYB
    2) Do you switch talents for specific bosses in NP? If so, what are they and why.
    3) I've seen wildly different talent specs across the board for MW Monk players as well as Wowhead/Archon/IcyVeins. Even a couple guys out there that like to play Caster MW with soothing mist and never even touch a boss in raid. How do you feel about this? Reason I ask is that I've been maining MW this Season and I'm just not doing the expected output for a 614 ilvl healer. Should I try something different? or is the trade off of fistweaving the extra damage you do? Because I AM doing a littler more damage than the other monk in raid (and I think he's mostly a soothing mist caster build).
    4) It would be really helpful to me if you did an updated video that actually performs some of the rotation against target dummies and explains why and when you would pop certain CDs...I'm wondering if my timing is just off...I mean I'm by no means last on the HPS meter and I'm well aware that it doesn't matter as much as I want it to...I just see other 614 ilvl MW monks doing 1.2mil HPS and I'm lucky to be hitting 900k. I must be missing something or not timing my CDs right.
    TLDR: teach me how to play monk better lol. I've been playing Hpal/BM Hunter for 19 years so that probably doesn't help much. haha.