Nawaz Sharif vs Benazir Bhutto - The Lost Decade - Between Mosque and Military by Hussain Haqqani
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- TPE's Book of the month was Hussain Haqqani's 'Between the Mosque and the Military' - in this video we discuss the first three chapters of the book.
The third and last part of the series looks at the lost decade of the 90s.
CORRECTION: Ghulam Ishaq Khan is Taimur Jhagra's Nana not Dada.
Watch the first episode in this three part series:
• Between the Mosque and...
Watch the second episode in this three part series:
• How Zia-ul-Haq Destroy...
Watch the podcast with Hussain Haqqani:
• The problem with Imran...
Essay on Musharraf's legacy:
• Kargil, America and Je...
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CORRECTION: Ghulam Ishaq Khan is Taimur Jhagra's Nana not Dada.
Watch the first episode in this three part series:
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Watch the second episode in this three part series:
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Watch the podcast with Hussain Haqqani:
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Essay on Musharraf's legacy:
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you always pronounce jhagra wrong. It's jhagra, quarrel wala.
@@mohsintariq6139 jhagra ko bhi shayad isi liye shehzad achay nai lagte 😂
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Never really understood Pakistan politics, started listening to Syed Muzammil Shah that's when I stumbled upon your podcast, brilliant work, I'm binge watching both of you, it's only people like you who can help Pakistan course-correct..all the best..btw hope to see you perform in india one day.Stay safe.
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Love your work mate, it feels like what we learned in School was 101% different as compared to what the reality is.
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Reality is not what u think but what u see.(Quoted and generated by me immediately and suddenly)😅😎
Is baat pe shehzad roy ki 15 saal purani line yaad ayi jo aj bhi valid hai, "Mujhay fiqr yeh nahi ki yeh mulk kaise chalega.
Mujhe fiqr yeh hai kay kaheen aise hee na chalta rahe."
Yeh Faiz Ahmad Faiz ka bayan hai
Absolutely love this video. Great service to the nation.
Thank you
Loved the series brother ❤️
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I was 13 years old when I read the novel "1984". The novel is about a dystopian world, where a single government called "THE PARTY" rules the mases according to their own will. But their "WILL" is always hidden and presented to the mases as a form Nationalistic Construct which is to be followed till death.
At that time my 13 year old mind could not understand how was this possible ? Even though the book clearly gave the methods through which THE PARTY (the 1%) influenced the masses. Now I finally Understand the manifesto of THE PARTY:
1. ""FREEDOME IS SLAVERY":
"Pakistan does not deserve democracy". (GEN AYUB)
The politicians are all bastards. YOUR (the irony) vote has led to the current state of Pakistan.
"East Pakistan was a political catastrophe" (GEN BAJWA)
"The Golden Era was the dictator Trio" (my father)
2. "WAR IS PEACE"
Make a formidable enemy ( India ). Direct all hate towards it. Establish an always present (imaginary) threat. So, that allocating a huge chunk of Annual budget is always seen as NECESSARY and PATRIOTIC.
This directs the flow of wealth to the establishment and anyone who opposes is Stampeded by The MASES themselves.
The PEACE in this sense, is the assurity that the masses will never rebel. As financial restraints will keep them handicapped and soon all revolutionary or lliberal ideas will be considered counter productive ( Even Traitorous ).
3. "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH"
Completely grab the intellect of the masses.
Make them realize that they are helpless and unable to survive without the presence of their benevolent MASTERS.
"Marta is liye hai kunke Pyar karta hai"
And if some strength or aptitude is left in the masses after all this....Direct it towards the Politically Manufactured ( so called Democratic ) Parties.
And Ladies and Gentlemen, This is the ISLAMIC............REPUBLIC..............of PAKISTAN.
I think Syed Muzzamil Husaain Shah discussed this book in one of his video
Amazing analysis and last line
....the punch line , welcome to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan 😂
Yah an ironic punch in the gut 😂
I definitely recomend the book...... the world depicted in it is scary real.
Epic
Excellent work ❤️
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so happy to c u shaikh sahab
ada keep the good work going.
and keep educating youthiyas 😎
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We learn so much from your contents
But your blind hatred for PTI and IMRAN khan is not helping
Yes we PTI supporter’s were naive and stupids
But who wasn’t ?
I absolutely love your podcasts It’s very informative
Maybe if you change your unnecessarily bashing of IMRAN khan it will educate a lot of our PTI folks too
Please think about it
Thanks
It doesn't matter if you're a PTI supporter or not, everyone needs to realize what happened to Pakistan in the last 5-6 years and why it happened. I am not going to not talk about it 🙈
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@@ThePakistanExperience no you Must talk about it
How could me or many others PTI supporters would know if you guys don’t talk about it ?
We can all grow by constructive criticisms
All I am saying is don’t take the path of saleem safi types when talking about PTI or IMRAN khan
Or other PTI supporter journalist when talking about PDM Or others
Bht acha audio essay tha. Or khushi ki baat he k urdu men tha.
Shukria bht bht
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بہت عمدہ تجزیہ ۔ لیکن ایک بات کا ہمیں خیال رکھنا چاہئے کہ کسی بھی سیاستدان یا شخصیت کو کسی سے تشبیہہ ( Similarity ) نہیں دینی چاہئے کیونکہ کوئی کسی سے ایک دوباتوں میں Similar ہوسکتا ہے لیکن مجموعی طور پر اس کا دوسرے سے comparison نہیں ہوسکتا ۔ ہر ایک کی اپنی اپنی غلطیاں اور اپنے اپنے Lessons ہیں ۔ اور انہی lessons کی بنیاد پر ان کی سیاسی شخصیت سازی ہوتی ہے ۔ جو زیادہ سیکھ لے وہی بڑا لیڈر ہے ۔ اور بڑا لیڈر وہ ہے جو قوم کے لئے زیادہ فائدہ مند ہو ۔
Loved it 🎉
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Very well explained
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Ya bot maze k series hai humy ba t kam waqt me or free me k book k reivew mil jata with parallal study❤
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Very well explained in Urdu to reach the wider audience. Great Effort!! 👏👏
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Excellent content again, video on musharraf was Fab
bro please get Dr. Taimur Rahman on , and please focus on how to mobilise people to stand up against inflation / imf
Thank you for the summary Shahzad although I’m surprised nothing was said about the role of the MQM in all this. As a tween/teen during the 90s I was your usual army worshiping, Pak Studies/PTV blinded youthia of the day. It was only after reading ‘seditious’ books and being tutored by legends like Dr Mehdi Hassan that the false equivalences I had built in my head began to give way to the facts and then it wasn’t too hard to put together the pieces of the puzzle. I am pretty confident in retrospect many youthias will realise the folly of their ways. Till then we must unfortunately put up with their noise
Thank you. Just focusing on the book for this series so just talking about what's in the book. MQM deserves its own series.
I was there. I saw all this. Those who think Imran Khan was the ladla of our 'militablishment', should know that our dear Nawaz Sharif was the original ladla of the same establishment. Got all the backing, patronage, and privileges from them. He thought himself to be invincible and irreplaceable, just like Imran Khan. Used to call himself 'Mr. Pakistan', 'Son of the Soil'. Tried becoming a khalifa through the 12th amendment. Became too big for his shoes and was booted out by the same militablishment.
Nawaz Sharif was the Imran Khan of the 90s
Ye series aur isay related podcasts jab ptv pe chalne lagenge tab jaa k is mulk ki halat theek hogi ✌ , otherwise no hope , Allah karay establishment ko ye baat samajh ajai k ab sach bolne ka waqt hai , or as chernobyl series mein kaha gaya hai , jhoot bolne ka karz adda karna parayga ,
Thanks for uploading this , was waiting for the 90s video , next pls jo ppp and noon league era , but separately 2008 to 2013 and 2013 to 2018 , kindly sara discuss karen khair hai 2 2 parts hojai 😅 judge tehrek, haqani gate , gilani disqualification aisi , TLP dharna ,faiz hameed , Justice isa , aisi details zarur discuss karen ❤😅
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Great work! These are the right bits of history that masses need to know about!
Once you are done covering all chapters of post-partition history (I do suggest making an in-depth recap of facts like these for 2008-Present to conclude the perspective and historical timeline), Please make a series on pre-partition political picture as well. I'm deeply interested in understanding the real Pakistan envisioned by Jinnah and his pals (BBC-Urdu has a great audio-documentary on last days of Jinnah and Dr. Taimoor has done great work in his videos but those are too lengthy to watch for the masses).
I believe that now, more than ever, Gen-Z and whatever left of the sane-millennials need to question whatever BS they have been told and taught their entire lives!
Thank you!
Gen Z basically Islamist the air unka maqsad he khilafat qaim kerna tha🙄😒
Great explanation
absolutely love ur work ....
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Considering the current political storm in Pakistan it seems both parties haven’t learnt anything , they are equally responsible for the crisis pakistan is in.
How so? Pls enlightenment us ,
@@gulistankhan8096 how many billions of dollar have gone out of the country ?? It seems military rule didn’t stop them from corruption and whose fighting the Supreme Court now ??
@@gulistankhan8096 just watch today’s Pakistan news
@@MukeshPanicker well i think thats not the real issue here , economic crisis isnt because of corruption , its because of a fake democracy.
Keep doing the good work sir 👏 🙏 👍 👌 🙌
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Best analysis
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before zia there was different secene army directed control ni krti thi magr zia ne army ko har field mein ghusa dia tha
Nope Liaqat Ali khan k assassination k bad se hi military pakistan ko rule kr rhi h. Pakistan bs 3 sal hi democratic set up me rha hai
Superficial analysis. Inclined more towards PPP and less for PML N. Bias for PTI. Sweeping statements against IK.
Correction:
It was Molana Abdul Sattar Khan Niazi and not Molana Kausar Niazi.
Interesting
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The existing chaos is mostly attributable to zia, the dictator.
سر! پاکستان کی عوام کو اس سے کوئی مسلہ نہیں کہ اقتدار میں پنجابی ہو سندھی ہو یا پٹھان اور بلوچ آئیں۔ یہ سیاسی لیڈر اپنے ہی عارضی فائدے کے لیے کرتے ہیں لیکن اس کا اثر بہت دیر تک رہتا ہے۔
shehzad bhai hoske to pakisyani qanoon or constitution pr bhi videos bnain ke kb kb constitution toote change hoi or kis kis ne kre
Just wanted to mention … it was operation mid night jackal…. The pic of BB and NB were thrown from helicopters and later the officers involved were court-martialed …. Ppl keep telling the stories how mean was NS without even knowing the reality of our establishment 😢
Wesay beta tum khud bhi phansogay aur hamen bhi phans wao gay in baton se 🤪😂😂but no worries
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damm your life ends & begins with IMRAN KHAN .. 1 thing you missed in your video lecture regarding Musharraf was that when hr left power the foreign reserves were empty ,PPP had to buy a default package for PAKISTAN do shed a light on that as well ..
😂so what should he do when the shit happens and ends on imran 😂😂🤣🤣
Present ka fasaad jo usi ka machaya howa hai to kia karen ab 😂
Lag Raha jese kesi ppp KY worker NY video bnae h, almost cover up Kya gea h PPP ko
Real chapters of pakistan studies
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Haa bhai,koi unsafe feel kr rha hai india mei,to ticket karva du
But, a pro-feudalism, belonging to feudal class, a civilian leader Z. A. Bhutto, made Zia Ul Haque, all due to wrong reasons, CNC of the country. Zia Ul Haque as well as Z. A. Bhutto , a pro- feudalism civilian leader, both are responsible for the future of the country,
The dictator is responsible for the existing chaos, most of all ever surging cases of terrorism
Again m 1st
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@@FaisalGhaffar thank u
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Greatest achievement done in your life ever,I highly appreciate your effort.🥳🤗
@@kanizsadiq1692 thank you 😘
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Imran Khan k daur main bhi to power kahin or thi wo bura kiyoun in dono nay to thook k chata abhi dubara phir bhi ye achay Khan bura acha insaf hay aapka
Ye munafiq h
Establishment to kutti he hi par politicians bhi full begairat mile hen...dont be biased towards them
What about the mess she created in Kashmir?
No civilian leader in Pakistan has ever controlled our Kashmir policy
Correction: No civilians leader has ever controlled the country
They just tried to , but never actually could
I would try to link Aniq Najis vlog here where he discusses how BBs first govt was toppled because she sought a solution for the Kashmir issue with Rajiv Gandhi.
@@mariamtee yup , kargil bhi aisay hi howa tha , jab india se taluq achay hote dikh rahe thay
@@gulistankhan8096 exactly!
Great analysis but please humble request, you were shaking your leg alot in the video and chair and your self were shaking very distracting and eye soar. Can you please work on it and not do it in the other videos please.
Haan I noticed it watching the video too 😅
Wow man, good observation, I also noticed after your comment.
یاد بھٹو پر ایک ڈیٹیل ویڈیو بناؤ
Ek lambi series hogi laikin us mai bohat time lagay ga toh wait karayn thora
Shahzad bhai wesay Nawaz sharif ko kch kehtay ap ki zaban bari shireen ho jati he 😂
90s ka Imran Khan bol dia aur kya hee kahoon 😅
Buddy you are biased towards PPP.
Unfortunate !!!!!!
If I am wrong about anything I've said tell me that. Reporting history as it is doesn't make me biased.
🤦♂️ what a mess 🤦♂️
I think you forgot that you live in Pakistan.
"Bran thought about it. 'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?'
'That is the only time a man can be brave,' his father told him."
George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones (A Song of Ice and Fire, #1)
تیمور جھاگرہ نہیں، صحیح تلفظ ہے تیمور جھگڑا
*langra😂😂😂
GA BHUTTO
Loooooi
can i get pinned please
Ustad y kitab mughy btay online kha sy mily gi
Sir but agr ap Benazir ko bhi ek achi politician bolengay to yeh bhi khula tazad Hoga.
After Zia ul Haq, Benazir Bhutto was like the sun after a dark night.
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Well this is the truth.
But support of corrupt king Zardari or lyari gang war ko support krna paqqa Qilla pr operation kr Wana ye bhi in k hi under ata hey.
Khair hai koi chor lutera ho , lekin politicians acha ho , werna yahi haal hoga jo pakistan ka ho raha hai , establishment needs idiots to run the country , if you're a good politicians , get ready to be killed ,
Absolutely love this video. Great service to the nation.
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Great job ji. Such an in-depth analysis. We have learned so much from your podcasts. Fundamental issue seems to be the inheritance of a nation based on two nation theory, that is just by following the faith one is qualified enough as a bonafide citizen.
While contesting within, there seems to be a sudden divide based on lineage and the language. Basically that has created the rift internally with Punjabi supremacy, who called thought themselves, the intellectuals then.
The struggle continues still..
Stay safe Bhai
God bless you
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Brother I'm from old Delhi Chandni chowk India
I just wanted to say your accent is very similar to the normal Dilli wala accent. ❤
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no doubt benizir bhutto was the best leader in pakistan unfortunately in pakistan Don't let sincere people walk
Next video is on her
Very important part of history of Pakistan ❤👍
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As a pseudo intellectual, your portrayed thoughts revolves around the nucleus of negativity towards the country and its potential to jump back. On the other hand TBT is constantly engaging with various leaders to understand how to re-emerge or at least emerge. Your negativity won't do any thing good. The entire claim that you are making in these videos are second/third hand points of view of people who have aligned themselves elsewhere. For me your words are a rant powered by pseudo intellectualism and wishful enlightenment (which is not there). I remember a dialogue about positivity, 'get busy livin or get busy dying' from Shawshank Redemption, try LIVIN.
facts.
Thailand same
The 1990's were unstable in India as well, there were 8 Prime Ministers in a span of 10 years, India was bailed out by IMF, Sold Gold reserves to survive and India's saviour USSR had collapsed. How Indian rulers reacted and make amends towards development is the seed, that bears fruits now, 20 years later.
It's ONLY in Pakistan, you see collapse, get money from loaners or by aid, spend it and again another collapse, get money from loaners or by aid, spend it, and the cycle repeats.
All Pakistan needs is a good visionary leader, and half-a-generation of patience from people, because Honest Development takes a good amount of time.
India didn't see a military dictatorship, that is one huge difference.
zardari ne ek suggestion dia tha government na li jaye aur oppostion mein bheta jaye
sir ab waqt a gea hai k such pata chalay hum sab ko.... bohat andheray mein rakha gea hai awam ko...
3:52 that photo is of Abul Sattar Niazi not Kausar Niazi.
Madrasa education
u said last time that waqas saying bajwa met haqqani is BS when i asked. But i watched his interview n he says ke fara declaration mein greinier took money n he paid haqqani. this is on record.
N if u read haqqanis articles . He does suggest ke american should reach out to military as ISI has good understanding of afghanistan n region. Tou phir waqas ke baat lagti tou sahi hai.
N uzair was one of the writers of one of the reports haqqani wrote for grenier.
What am i missing . Can you please your perspective or hint where my understanding is wrong. waqas says the he met haqqani n haqqani said himself. Aur zara hat kay pe bhi when they reached out to haqqani tou he said if he even met with bajwa tou iss mein kia buri baat hai . this all seems fishy .
I was the one who confirmed the meeting story on this very podcast. The meeting happened. The rest of it is BS.
Yahan har koi he Kisi k sth Mila hua HOTA he pehle se,Hamen Kisi bhi Shaka pe bharosa krne SE pehle uski Achi tarhaan chaan phatak krni Chahiye.😁🤭
@@ThePakistanExperience what about the fara declaration n payment to haqqani?
@@kanizsadiq1692 who is the shaka :D here u mean waqas?
Make a video on "legacy of Hamid Gul"
Utha lain gai mujhay 😅
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jhn baqi logn pr bana di hai video
Wahn Hamid gul pr be aik video bana dien
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Thank you Shahzad !!!
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be safe
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Nice in urdu finally 😊
All 3 parts were in urdu
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