Syed Muzammil Shah with some explosive revelations about Pakistan-India Relations
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• The History of Pakista...
Anchor, Journalist and Thinker, Syed Muzammil Shah, comes back o the podcast for a detailed overview of PTI and Imran Khan's politics; we go into the history of Pakistan, comparing it with India, to see where they went right, and where we went wrong, and what can both countries learn from each other.
• The History of Pakista...
Is Imran Khan Anti-Establishment?
Why Pakistan struggled after 1947?
Does Pakistan even want good relations with India?
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
01:11 Muzammil joining Bol and Imran Khan's narrative building
13:50 Establishment’s mistakes and loss of power
23:57 Supporting PDM vs Supporting PTI
28:47 PDM’s operation against PTI and Anti-Establishment Politics
37:41 Imran Khan’s health and Democracy
44:50 How Pakistan began
54:00 Military’s role, separate electorates, Pakistan’s relationship with Religion
1:04:04 US Aid & Ayub Khan, Musharaf’s fake secularism, and the 1965 war
1:13:42 Relations with our neighbors and India and Abhinandan
1:20:32 The COAS position, Pakistan’s declining geopolitical status and our inability to compete economically
1:28:35 Moral stances, conflicts of interest and things India has done right
1:39:53 Pakistan’s identity crisis a real issue?, are economic issues the root of all problems
1:49:09 The TTP and the Establishment
1:58:50 18th amendment, a step back in 2018 and the suffering of Pakistan’s politicians, and university politics
2:08:40 Urdu as a national language and the Pakistani identity and cricket with India, the dream of an open border, secularism and identity politics
2:24:35 IK’s stance on Covid and his savior complex
2:40:56 Summarizing what we need to learn - Розваги
Watch the full podcast with Syed Muzammil Shah:
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Pakistani youtuber kanjer or kanjri ki terha ghar ko ganda kar kat khaty hain kyun kay traffic india say ati hai
What did you discussed about modi , is not factually correct he don't represent radical thought, we learn how to live with radical Islamist thought form thousand of years , in fact Islam is radical itself, their is no moderate Islam, if you go through hadis ans quran, Islam as it is radical 7 century ideology or dark age ideology, we have studied iran sorry parsia afganistan kashmir, if you weak you can't coexit with Islam
Muslim can be a good person but who ever following Islam fully he eventually become sucide bomber 🤣🤣 ISIS and there is no difference between pakistani and not all but most of indian muslim, so we take precautionary measure to stop Pakistan like daily bombing sport in India , if you think whoever taking such measure to stop Pakistan like situation then you are free to think , only modi can handle radical jihadi type muslim
The dumb host didn't even know it's own country's misadventures and despite that, India didn't react the way we could've.. yet he is questioning India on some random missile misfire. Modi is not Pro Pakistan, why we should be? What have you guys done anything to deserve that? Get real,vsee where you stand, what have you been doing over the years.
Calling Modiji a sworn radical is like calling Pigamber a sworn peace keeper. The only place islam can bring peace is GRAVE.
Modi visited Lahore on December 25th 2015 and within 7 days Pathankot Air base attack happened and in September 2016 URI attack happened and after that modi changed his policy towards Pakistan from defensive to offensive and its successfully isolated Pakistan diplomatically all over the world 🌎.
modi never islolated pakistan. it was other external factors like pakistan getting much closer to china. pakistan's utility in afghanitan diminishing for the west etc. infact, modi will ruin the fabric of india like zia did it for us.
Nice observation and research bro 👍. India can not trust Pakistan. They're just back stabbers
He did not turn his position from defensive to offensive but he turn offensive with defensive. In other words We won’t start anything but if you start we may end what you started . Thanks to Ajit Doval Sir & our FM.
He was always offensive and his hateful speech against Muslims and Pakistan won him the elections and hr will keep doing it because he has nothing else to sell.
From defensive to Offensive defense policy.... and not offensive policy...
As stated by hon'ble NSA, Shri Dovalsab...
3:02 A Pakistani guy calling PM Modi dogla & hypocrite is the funniest thing I've heard all day.
You cannot expect all positive comments from Pakistanis,, lets appreciate that atleast some one from pakistan is talking about historical facts and not what general pakistanis are taught in regular classes
Correct
Irony hai ji
@@thisisron7994 truth needs to be pointed out. Your happiness for your expectations being met by the pakis doesn't outweigh the importance of truth.
They are still not correct
In the end he is a typical pakistani.
Modi visiting Pakistan at peak of his popularity risking his political career was a "political" move but Pakistan returning Abhinandan because they had no option is a "peace" gesture... Bhai ab kya hi bole
Aur Hume laga pakistani sudhar sakte hai… 😂
Well I would like to humbly disagree with you on the point you have made about the Pakistani establishment having no choice and they returned Abhinandan under pressure, that was certainly not the case, Pakistan returned your fighter pilot because that man was an active soldier and he was treated as per the LAW of Geneva Conventions otherwise If this was not the case then why didn't Pakistan returned Kulbushan Yadav? your Spy From RAW. As a Pakistani, I definitely agree that the Pakistani elite and the deep state have been proven to be catastrophic for us but Our army is the single most powerful functioning body of our state (which obviously hinders the prevalence of democracy ) even your Gaurav Ariya admits it that Pakistani army is the most powerful body of Pakistan and the book "The Spy Chronicles of RAW, ISI & the illusion of peace " by both of our spy chiefs. Your spy chief praised ISI as one of the most well-functioning Intelligence agencies within its resources and he admitted that Indian intelligence agencies never succeeded in convincing an ISI agent to work in their interest. In the end I will admit that we should learn democratic principles and the path toward homeland success from you guys because you guys have really earned it and we are currently failing at it. Sadly
@@muhammadnofilansari1259 Khulbushan was a retired person. Also, he was arrested in Iran.
If Abhinandan was not handed over, pa-kistan would have been bom-bed the very next day. Your army knew it - that's exactly why he was handed over
@@muhammadnofilansari1259 yes we all indians believe that Pakistan army is the strongest body of Pakistan but not more than india ...
Major gaurav never said the Pakistan army is more successful than the Indian army .....
Do you really understand the difference between a surgical strike and a spy case(which was not proven till date in international court) ....
Surgical strike means war
1.Hamid mir Pakistani senior journalist
2.Hasan nisar Pakistani senior journalist
3.Hamid bashani kashmiri lawyer
4.Anis farooqui Pakistani senior journalist
5.Ali kuli khan Rt.lieutenant general Pakistani army......
6.Ehtisham arshad nezami Pakistani political analyst
7.Sibt e yayha naqvi former Pakistan diplomat
8.Imran khan your ex prime minister
.9.Roedad khan Pakistani politicians
10.ahmad quarashi journalist
Some Pakistani books
1.Inside the Pakistani army
2.crossed swords
3.a history of Pakistani Army
4.eating grass-the making of Pakistan bomb
They all are Pakistani's with big name who admitted indian army success.....go and read
@@muhammadnofilansari1259 I will tag you more names if you want ......
Modi took a huge risk when he visited Pakistan, not just from his party but even opposition was annoyed. It is naive to think that foreign policy of India changes as govts change. There is a history of 60 years of proxy wars by Pakistan which nobody in India dares to disregard. Modi frittered away his political capital in order to start off on a clean slate with Paksitan. But of course how could Pakistan's real rulers allow their shops be closed down by peace?
Even if India and Pakistan resolve their issues, even if Pakistan dissolves as a state the root of the discord remains intact. The refusal of the subcontinent Muslim to reconcile with his Hindu past and identity.
@@rutvikrs you identified root cause of the problem my friend.
@@rutvikrs u hit the nail brother. Moreover muslims are same in India n Pakistan. Anyone who thinks indian .muslims are different is nothing but a coward secular softy who can't even stand up for his dharma.
proxy wars are by india as well, say the entire thing dont spill biased bs
@@parodyfied1053 brother if you go back long enough, you'll find it was Pakistan which was always adamant on starting conflicts with India. In 1947 Akbar Khan sent Qabalis along with soldiers of Pakistani army in Kashmir. Ayub Khan started the 1965 war, but ISI and Pakistani Army hid Operation Gibraltar and Operation Grand Slam from your country and only told you "shaatir hindu ne raat ko lahore par hamla kr diya" or something. In fact the war had already started By pakistan in Indian administered kashmir when India did this.
1971 was your own fault. India was backing Mukti bahini because what your army was doing in east pakistan was creating a refugee crisis in a poor underdeveloped India. Then you gave a India a reason to jump into the war by conducting Operation Chenghiz Khan. Even after this defeat, the pakistani army started this military doctrine called "bleed India with a thousand cuts".
1999 We all know this. Atal ji and Nawaz Sharif signed the lahore declaration but your Pervez Musharraf started infiltrated Kargil.
Now you keep supporting proxies in kashmir and also softly support Khalistan movement, but you expect India to not do the same in Balochistan? Forget about Bleeding India with a thousand cuts. Pakistani army is doing that to pakistan instead of India.
If India wanted to take Pakistani territory or undo Pakistan, India could have easily taken East Pakistan and merged into India but no, India let East Pakistan be free, India didn't take even an inch of East Pakistan..
India should've taken a bit along the "chicken neck"
@@parvadhami980 yes I agree, that was a good opportunity
This is precisely the difference, we want to maintain and they want to consume. This isn't as shallow as textbooks and a few religious organisations.
@@parvadhami980 chittagong port and the coastline would have been a better deal.
India tried that taking Pakistani territory in ‘47, ‘65, ‘71 and ‘99. Except for success in east Pakistan due to a civil war. India despite its vastly large mimimtary and relieves has failed to achieve any considerable success against Pakistan. Now go and look at how much territory india has lost to China. Forget about ‘62. During Modi’s so called chest thumping reign, territory, India has lost 1,000 sq km [390 sq miles] of territory to China without a fight.
The difference is Pakistan has school books declaring India and Hindu as enemy but in India we are not taught any such nonsense. Hence there cannot be normalization.
Arey bhi why make it out to be a textbook thing? Just look at our own.
@@rutvikrs Do u think anyone who doesn't have hatred for Hindus which Pakistani education syllabus teaches can be a bureaucrat in Pakistan? Certainly not.
@@Rahul_Singh100 I am asking why even cross borders? Look at the way a Deobandi or Barelvi describe non Muslims and their beliefs. The textbook is a post facto justification and a symptom of self hatred for their identity not the root. The Indian Muslim kid who doesn't have access to the Pakistani textbook has the hatred of Hindus.
@@rutvikrs yes, they do but I'm talking about Pakistanis and the role of their school textbooks that further emboldens this. In India atleast few muslims can see through that BS.
Don’t worry, RSS is doing their best to indoctrinate Hindu kids as well.
With all due respect, Modi's visit was not optics. He was genuinely trying to reduce Pak threat. If anything Pak Army has always trying to subvert any progress by civilian govt.
I really Hate Your Profile Pic.
Kindly change it.
We hate Army
Chal jhoota
It's incredibly naive of you to think Congress or any party other than BJP would've had any different forign policy against Pakistan after Mumbai , Pathankot, Uri , Pulwama ..Unlike the accidental missile launch from India .. these attacks actually killed people. 14 years after declaring him dead Pakistan risen Sajid Mir from the dead to get out of FATF grey list. So
unless you think the APS attack or the recent Peshawar blast was conducted by RSS or RAW .. idk why you act so surprised that Indians hold resentment towards Pakistan. A little introspection wouldn't hurt ,Shehzad
Spot on Ayush. I guess introspection is an alien concept in Pakistan.
Well said
As a Pakistani. It deeply angers me how there's mostly Indians at most of these videos and very few Pakistanis. Really hope one day more of us realize how indoctrinated we are.
It all sums down with HYBRID MILITARY DICTATORSHIP.
We are 8 times your population 😅😅 and there is no shortage of loons here too
Indians are actually more interested in geo-politics, so you see all of us here.
That's the harsh truth mate. We Bharatiya even watch hateful videos about us also just to get the perspective & understand the world better.
Whereas average Pakistani watchers don't even watch slightly critical videos about their nation (I'm saying this in general).
Curiosity matters Boss!
@@pradhyudh cant always be the case.
"In general... modi koi pro pakistan admi toh nahi hai na....."😂
Bro, forget modi why would an indian have to be pro-pakistan? Or even an iranian, afghani, srilankan have to be pro pakistan.
No wonder why every policy of pakistan is in shambles be it economic, foreign, security policies.... with this kinda thought process.
so what he didnt say he has to be one
@@parodyfied1053 our bhai Goodwill gestures to kya hi ginwa diye bhai ne... hum bhi kini Parliment, Hotels, Army Bases, Army truks uda de our unko unka ek soldier return kr de to bass sab maff...
@@akabeast31 firstly learn to use proper hindi ya phir apni gaon ki language ma baat kr lo no prob, i didnt understand a word you said, bhai to pehle baat krna seekhle sahi se, secondly mene bas yahi kaha ke he didnt say modi has to be pro pakistani, ye ashish bhadwa khud apni bullshit bana kr us pe hi hate kar raha chutiya gandu admi
The host needs to develop his logical reasoning and understand his biases a lot more before he can be taken seriously.
Yeah, I like the podcast but in some cases I've noticed that he's bit influenced by the propaganda about the actual situation in India with respect to Pakistan
Agreed
The host is far more unbiased and open minded than all political commentators in India combined. Lmao you guys are the last people who should be complaining about this.
@@shahabuddin2802 Right now , Paxtanis are the only ones who believe you'd come out of the mess you're in , intact.
If you think it's delusional , it isn't. Way back in 1971 on the morning of surrender by the Pakistan Army in Dhaka , Dawn ran a headline quoting Niazi saying they're winning & they would never surrender. We know what followed then as well as what'd happen now .
We actually want every Paxtani to continue in the same vein as Niazi both the 1971 version & the current one which is why these 2 gentlemen & their petty biases aside are s bit disturbing to watch.
I say a bit disturbing as we're sure these gentlemen have a limited audience . The awam is mostly hooked on to who else but Niazi & Niazi.
@@shahabuddin2802 Again proving my point. Do you even know all the political commentators in India to make such statement?
Develop a thinking of your own instead of putting people on pedestal, even good people which I'm sure both of these are. Every single person has their own biases, me and the other people here got a hint of them and pointed out for the sake of better discussion. It doesn't discredit the host or what he's trying to do for you to be such defensive about him that you put him above all the commentators of an entire nation.
India is not a spineless state like Pakistan. We stand true to our ideals and values no matter which party comes to power. That's why we are growing.
My dear, you talk about missiles from India and Pakistan being a peacenik.
Consider missiles as a first minor retaliation to the decades long terrorism funded and supported from Pakistan in Punjab and Kashmir.
What Pakistan was used to was a soft Indian state under Congress which did nothing and kept on getting hit per bhutto's thousand cuts on India.
One missile attack rattled you guys and you became peace Nik's, really?
Now imagine if the same was done much earlier, may be we wouldn't have had terrorist activities in Kashmir and Punjab.
Btw I am Kashmiri who along with 500000 others had to become refugees in our own country due to terrorism sponsored by Pakistan. Don't forget that.
At the same time, I do acknowledge that you two probably along with may be a dozen more in Pakistan have at least what we call common sense.
So kudos to you.
I am fan of you two for sure.
These guys are delusional
They are trying to see the truth but are poorly read. Will take them time to see the truth.
Bro even though they are acting like some geopolitics expert there hatred for Hindus and India is indoctrinated in them ,just waste of time to argue with Radicals
These two (especially Syed Muzzamil) are among the very few critical thinkers in Pakistan who challenge the narrative of the Pakistani establishment. But critical thinking is a mindset and a journey, not a destination. It's not easy to view the world from a completely impartial lens, especially when you've grown up indoctrinated by the Pakistani state, media and education system.
And all my dreams shattered when I realized we have been befooled by the state.....Our minds have been indoctrinated by Islamization, Kashmir bny ga Pakistan, Jihadism...and what we have got? Minds wandering for an identity?? crisis??? We have never tried to improve relations with India or Bangladesh sincerely. We should learn especially from India and Bangladesh....where they are today? And where we are? We have driven backwards in times...even before when Islam was born. And we should apologize Bangladesh for what we have done to them. Acha hua wo alg ho gy..Jan chuda li hmse... Or sbse ghtya treen hai hmari Foreign policy
Wow your also duggal , from haryana ?
The host is deluded. 3:28 why would Modi be pro-Pak? Pak plays stupid games and expects a favourable Indian PM? Why?
And 4:28 handing over Abhinandan was not a good will gesture. India had military on high alert and Pak was told in no uncertain terms. Pakistan capitulated.
Bhadwa keh raha hy hum ne badi tameez se deal kiya india ki hrr aggression ko, jab ke reality ye hy k inki auqat he nahin rahi larny ki bheek bhi nahin mil rahi kahin se inko larna kya sangeet se tha. 😂
The release of Abhinandan was never a goodwill gesture by Pakistan. Pakistan couldn't afford to detain and imprison him.
Modi tried but then pulwama, uri and pathankot happened. Balakot was a response to that, we targeted the terror camps, whereas pak retaliated with Swift retort and Targeted military positions, which they missed. Missile was mishap and regrettable and everyone in indian establishment accepts that, as it puts india in bad position and no one wants that. The missile could have hit civilians , although it didn't have warhead but kinetic energy could have caused damage.
The BJP government doesn't have RADICAL Ideology. Congress has mainly Minority appeasement approaches (mainly Muslims) and The INC also thinks Muslims are the only one in the minority. They were so blind in Muslim vote bank that they created a big void for majority and other minorities (Jains, Buddhist, Christian etc.) And BJP government filled that void.
Right now, BJP is doing what a party should do in democracy to win the election which is take majority in your side.
Moreover, there is a famous statement given by S. Jaishankar "You can't expect us to be on table by putting gun on the head." In which he clearly means that Pakistan government and army both have to think in single pathway that which is DONT DO CROSS BORDER TERRORISM and resolve the issue and that's the only option Pak army and government have.
BJP definitely has a radical ideology, but only as an item to sell so that it can buy votes. It's playing with fire!
Bjp is redical, fundamentalist ,anti secular and hindutva promoter. 99% of its leader want hindu rashtra and frequently raise the topic every now and then. Days are not far when Hindu rashtra will actually come to existence. After next election it'll be in full force and will eventually dark days will start 🤡
Yes you said right brother. You totally summarised allt hings.
Typical bjp and sangh supporter
What Pakistan did in past - the same thing we are doing now
It is contemporary to debate of language imposition and religious polarisation
+ making a theological state
Aankhe kholo
The appeasement and lies made by bjp is unparalleled
Congress was appeasing Muslims and bjp is appeasing Hindus... But I guess now it's all good as long as bjp appeases hindus
Handing over Abhinandan wasn't a good will gesture by Pakistan State, they were obligated to do so under Law(International) but even though they were reluctant so Indian State had to armtwist Pakistan State to make the so called good will gesture.
India fights with its military. Pakistan uses terrorists.
not really. it was always meant to be a goodwill gesture to show the world we are peaceful. indian arm twisting seldom works.
@@umairsqu good joke
Tange kaamp Rahi thi maathe pe tha paseena
@@umairsqu *how can you forget ayaz sadik comments on bajwa, tange kappri thi maathe pe paseena tha , khuda ka vaasta isse chorrdo raat 9 baje India attack krne k mood me hai* ...
*Uske baad sabse bade chootiye wo jo kehne lg gye imran khan ko noble peace prize do* 😂😂😂
Pakistan 🇵🇰 - India 🇮🇳 relations wouldn't have this bad if Democracy won in Pakistan over Miltary intervention.
Keep dreaming.
Yeah BCz every inshallah mashallah oinking politician of islamic Republic of hira Mandi Pakistan who btw wins BCz of the blessings of Jamaat i islami , JeM , TLP , are such nice secular fellas 😂😂😂
the sheikhchilli mindset is equally spread over both the jhumuriat and amiriat alike
Really. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was an elected prime minister what happened. You guys hanged him. Same with Benazir Bhutto.
Pak ideology would have the same still. They can't move beyond kashmir .
Foreign policy experts are perplexed why a powerful India is not pushing a weak Pakistan or launching a frontal skirmish to settle scores( ref Kamran Bokhari interview). If the tables were reversed and Pk was in a much better position than India, do you think they would have exercised such restraint? History shows otherwise. Misadventurism has been the hallmark of Pakistn policy; it is another matter that each of their adventures has only pushed them further into quagmire.
Is this you molly 😅
“Modi koi pro-pakistan aadmi toh nahi haina yaar” bhai, konsa Pakistani pro Indian hai? 😅 is it important for Indian to be pro-Pakistani? Appreciate most of your discussions but be rational, that’s what is expected of you.
Muzammil bhai you said it right with that question... 'did we have an option?'... Absolutely not, and Imran and your armed forces knew that clearly! They'd been warned by the Americans that India was ready to attack within hours if Abhinandan ji was not returned. If you remember, this topic was discussed by a member in the Pakistani Parliament. India has been backstabbed enough times in the past... Modi ji has said enough is enough! Good talk 🙏🇮🇳
Good discussion hope to see more pakistani intellectuals. All d best from INDIA
Relationship between india & pakistan is unpredictable ...existence of pakistan is depends on "hindu hates, find islamic "culture " & deny ...even the world is taking disadvantage of this tension ...
Basic funda is that a Disproportionate Army needs a perpetual enemy to survive and thrive and India was made Ajali Dushman.
2:21 I have never seen a Pakistani telling this truth on a social media...keep it up
Watch Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy video
To be honest it was more exhausting for India to maintain relationship with Pakistan. It's much easier now to ignore Pakistan. However much India tried Pakistan always backstabbing India so its waste of our energy to maintain relations with Pakistan. It was Pakistan who ended trade with India.
Modi tried to have good relations when he first became PM. He invited Nawaz Sharif for his swearing in ceremony and also went to Pakistan to meet Nawaz Sharif but what we got? Lot of terrorist attacks. It's better now not to have much relations with Pakistan. India has long left its Pakistan centric foreign policy.
Biggest problem of Pakistan is its education policy. Most people are so radicalized that there is no hope for the country. Few sane people leave country and settle outside.
As a south Indian I don't have any connections to Pakistani culture. In a few years even North India will stop identifying with Pakistani culture whose ancestors might have connections to Pakistan.
We are sorry to india and ashamed how pakistan started all wars against India.
True bro..
Pakistan never want to admit that thier foriegn policies and radicalization has led them to this situation.
You guys far better than main stream media. unbiased view's and facts ✌️ ❤ from india.
These Bastards called our PM has Radical Ideology is this unbiased?
Almost 90% Pakistani People are against India nd this is what makes them Terrorist for us
They all are the same ... never ever trust Pakistan ...
They will backstab you
@@GauravBeast730 don't care. These guys trying to educate their people what is right and wrong. We should appreciate them.
If you are a Pakistani I just want you to ask yourself what would Pakistan do if you are in India's position (economy,miltary, geopolitics, etc.) and you are in Pakistani position and India in yours (bankruptcy, economy, etc.)you would attack next second to capture KASHMIR.
As Pakistani. Personally I think ( unpopular opinion ) kashmir belongs to India. Pakistan needs to stop supporting all those “ peaceful groups” in Kashmir let India handle them. Sadly that will likely never happen. As our military needs money. I don’t think this Kashmir issue will ever be solved in my lifetime.
@@pkdl8228 true! And it is also true that many Pakistani folks think that India wants to capture Pakistan. It is just not true, most of us literally don't care. Pakistan is slowly becoming irrelevant for us. Sadly Cricket and the historical Nostalgia is the only thing we can compete in.
@@looneydesi it’s obvious you’re a radical pajeeet LOL
I am indian and i love syed muzammil so much.
Goodwill is when you have a choice to do or not to do and still chose to do to achieve a good outcome. Goodwill is not when you have no choice or do something out of fear. Even the so called smart analysts seem to have half a brain if they cannot understand this basic thing.
Its always a delight to hear from Syed Muzammil Shah, truly a gem of a person. As a Indian its always refreshing to hear his perspective.
The person in front of Syed Muzammil is very weak in geo politics his senses are way too mainstream like every normal Pakistani. He doesn't introspect things beyond what he reads and been fed by western or Pakistani media. Where I salute Sayed Muzzamil. I might not agree on few things he says but his view point is by in large then so called high profile diplomats.
Syed is really a very smart thinker I never miss his videos,😅
Ek do saal ka aur intezar hai bas, uske baad dekhte h Pakistan kaha h 🤣🤣
You both are the real gem who are taking political intellectuality to a next level.
Kudos!
@@urrasscal8380 inke naani ki kahanio me sirf😂😂🤣🤣🤦🏿♂️
It is true, we as Indians accept we are radical in the case of Pakistan and if needed we will become hypocrites.
4:20 if Pakistan would have retaliate that time then I am pretty sure that you would have lost POK
@@zaryabbaloch2970 Pakistan occupied Kashmir or what you call as Azad Kashmir
Forgot pok they will lose Balochistan as well
Pashtun and Baloch as well 😂
@@aryanrajagyatsax4727bhai konsi bollywood movie daik rehe hu?
Will have to say. Syed has very clear and sharp mind. Thanks for the video
Watch the full podcast with him:
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Both of these men are free thinking, agile and unchained to religion.
I am biggest fan of Syed Muzamil Shah about his brilliant knowledge and analysis.
The restraint was not due to choice but compulsion. The poor economic state of the Pakistan was the primary reason why it could not take a tough stance.
What you do out of compulsion isn’t a goodwill gesture 😂
Lots of love to you from lahore 🇵🇰 I watch your channel on regular basis your content is unbiased and highly appreciate it is very beautiful for all of us Pakistani kudos to your team who made such effort
❤
You have electricity to watch? Lol..
@@sr.1972 kyu zaleel kar rha h unko😂
@@sr.1972 han electricity toh ha but kabhi Teri behen ki gaand ma electric shocks deta hun hun saath yaad aya gaye ka gosht bhi toh khana ha
@@crankboost hahahaha dusre ka ghar Nazar rakhne ki bajaye gobar apna Socha tumhare han Kya chal raha ha Tum logo ki economgy GDP ka 85 percent ameero ka ha baqi sirf brchare gareeb 15 percent Jo ya soch kr zinda hain ka Balochistan Sindh gilgit seperate honga 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 stay hating us we don't care 😘
Our dharma teaches us to first try for peace at any cost , but it also teaches to totally annihilate the enemy if they dont understand the value of peace , that's what Modi did.
Ghias bhai we need more shorts focused video like this ❤❤
Done❤
When Modi became PM,he was having vision for India for 2047.He came to Pakistan to sharif to get friendly will Pakistan,but once Modi knew the anti India attitude of Pakistan army,it closed its doors for Pakistan.
I get it what Syed said here that Modi took a political risk by making a surprise visit to Lahore, but the vibe in the air in India upon learning this news then, was that India took it all in a broadly understandably-positive side of things.
Wonderful podcast, it’s always a treat to listen to your podcasts and Syed Muzammil.
Shehzad, why would Modi be pro Pakistan..for that matter why will any Indian politician or any Indian be. If it is not pro Pakistan, it’s not anti either. India is just trying to do it’s own thing, if need be it will try to protect its own interests and isolate Pakistan at international level. Pakistan did not try to be friendly with India at any point of time, if it did not retaliate because it was not capable enough to..not that it did not want to. India has moved on from the enmity with Pakistan. India is looking itself at much bigger level and trying to push the economy to higher level.
Does Pakistan want a good relationship with India??
Lol, I think the window for this kind of question is long gone.
Right now it's the question that does India give a damn about what happens to Pakistan??
I don't think India needs Pakistan in any case! A country with a dead soul can only be a burden on India! We are doing quite well without Pakistan!
Side Note: I listened to the whole podcast for almost 3 hours, it was a good talk with still a lot of misconceptions from both the speakers! But it's a bit late don't you think guys??
Thank God km se km kisi Pakistani ko ko to smjh aya k Modi ji ne bhi indo pak peace ke liye effort Kia tha .🙏🙏🇮🇳🇮🇳
Great intellectual discussion and realistic!
Muzammil sir... 👌 love and respect from india ❤️
spitting facts
I think you are confusing all incidents.
Modi coming to Pakistan he had a choice not to come to Pakistan.
Modi invited Pakistani PM on his first swearing in ceremony he had a choice not to.
In terms of other points you raised:
1. Pakistan was pressurized to return abhinandan. Had they not returned there would be set of other military answers that'd be executed by the Indian Government and would lead to bigger scale of confrontation that Pakistan could not afford.
2. Missile going into Pakistan case: it was Pakistan's diplomatic failure to round up support for a joint investigation. Because Pakistan has no geopolitical relevance anymore.
And on top of all of this goodwill gesture is initiating something good when either of the parties are not expected to happening of such a thing. But in both of cases mentioned it was expected rather the goal of Indian side to achieve this outcome. So they succeeded in it.
Inke population mein India especially Hindus ko lekar itna zahar bhara gaya hai ki koi samjhdar Pakistani bhi kuch accha karne ka soche na to nhi kar sakta. 😬
My message on behalf of INDIA:-
INDIA doesn't want ANY kind of relationship with PAKISTAN. Take care of POK, we will take it whenever we are ready.
Very insightful comment. Which one of your two brain cells did you utilize to come up with such intellectual commentary?
Lets be sane..
US couldn't take over Afg even after 10 years of intervention. Russia couldn't do that either. How on earth would you take on Pakistan (POK in this case being an integral part of Pakistan), knowing the fact that neither are you close the US or Russia in terms of power, nor is Pak as weak as Afg???!! so stop being that naive after getting rich recently! Pak is weak economically.. but that doesnt mean that you'd get an easy walk over when it comes to war! It amazes me when indians like you start nonsense comments when it comes to kashmir.. bro that aint so easy.. we dont have dollars.. and you guys have many.. so logically, you wouldn't want to lose your billions of bucks by starting a war, while we on the other hand have nothing to lose at all!
Peace!!
right
Tu kaun hai loude “on behalf of india” waale? Jaldi jaldi “on behalf of india” likh deta hu… phir jab 10 likes aajayenge toh school ke dosto mein hero banjaunga. Duddu peeke soja saale “on behalf of india” waale varna mummy pitai kardegi.
There is no other country in South Asia that’s more interesting than Pakistan! Political drama and events everyday are more unpredictable than TV soap ops
Good to see short excerpts from the channel. I find it hard to make 90 mins or 2 hours to watch full videos. Bit of feedback for the channel. Quality content no doubt a rarity from Pakistan.
Missile test ke liye bheji thi😂😂 safal ho gaya test 😂😂
Now today’s situation is such that we don’t think Pakistan can remain integrated in upcoming years
Here in india people knows how relationship maintained between hindu, islam, Christian and sikh community's. But pakisthan is a nation build by the name of an Islamic nation. Since born and bought up from there common people always hates internally to hindu and other community.. They don't know how that kind of a interreligious brotherhood works out. As a common indian i wish to give a hug to pakisthani person and increase one more brother in company. But the thing is that the bro to am hugging will be always doubt me since am a hindu born in india😂🫂
If you're saying "Israel ne bohot julm kiya hai Palestine per", that means you don't know history and present issue of Israel.
They knows everything.. Bss wo soch hai naa.. Musalman wali. Kuch bhi kaar lo sacchi dekhi nhi jati..
Yaa umaaah ki problem only muslim ki problem hi dikhti hai kahi ki bhi ho baki koi mre no problem
It's so interesting to see all this geopolitics from Pakistani angle
Please make a podcast on VIP culture and accountability of bureaucrats In our Sub Continent Society 🙏 more power to you brother
Muzzamil sees India and Modiji from pakistani lenses . he doesnt know the reality of India. He is no different from other Pakistanis.
tumhe abhi rss and hindutva ki ek percent bhi samjh nahi by nature hindutva is based on law of universal cohibition ....hum to chiti ko bhi ata dalne wale log hai ....aur agr kahi muslims se issue hai to wo isiliye ki indian subcontinent k muslims are highly fundamentalists and obsessed about their religion ..........u are saying something like prithavi raaj chauhan was radical but u forgot to mention why he needed to be radical if ghori had not invaded ????????? You must rethink who was the aggressor in first place ab Kaho ki Defence bhi polite hoke kare to ye possible nahi .......... baat Darsal ye hai ki Tum logo ko problem ye hai ki tumhari Philosophy ko accept kar le and live with it ......
Every Indian PM wants to establish a good relationship with Pakistan because it is in our long term interest. So what's Modi like or not like personaly doesn't matter.Do you think we like Taliban or Britain for that matter. No we don't but it doesn't matter because establishing a good relationship with Afghanistan as Britain as a country serves our long term interest. And our interest are supreme. Period
Good will gesture is more valuable when it’s made from a position of strength.
3:25 kya aap ye bol sakate hai ki koi pak pm pro indian tha es baat ki koi sence hi nahi hai
I don't know, why Pakistani's are so much observation with wing commander Abhinandan? They are saying that we returned Abhinandan back to India after a cup of tea.....
But they forgot the history, my lovely and great country India returned 90000 Pakistani's soldiers back to Pakistan after approx. 2years of feeding and giving them all kinds of treats .
Please Pakistani, just think about what my country did for your country but in response what you people gave to my people: 26/11, parliament attack, major wars, Pathankot attack, Akshardhan temple attack, proxy wars and so on......
Syed muzamil shah , is really a great analyst
I am from Jammu and Kashmir , a proud Indian
Pakistan ne Apna dewalia nikaal diya duniya k har jagah apna chmacha ban k.
Pakistan army wants to become the army of ummah ,
Pakistan army is the most dangerous and dirty mind army.
We the people of Jammu and Kashmir are proud Indian and want our POK back.
very good journalism. keep up the good work.
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Zia told lies that Russia wanted to reach warm waters. Russia already had access to Iran's ports. It supported the take over in '79
Suno abhinandna ko wapis tumne darr ke mare kiya hai koi ahsaan nhi kiya
Aapke ek mantri ne parliament me bola thaa India 9 bje atteck kar wala hai
Aur tum to kuch nhi karte, Kashmir me terrorist bhej masum kashmiriyo ko jaan lete ho
Un designed terrorist sabse jayada pakistan me hai
Hahah ayaz sadiq is that man and fawad chaudhry accepted the fact that pulwama attack was done on the orders of imran khan such a shameful thing
@@kanika7255 yes and they are say modi doglapan karta hai 🤣
Inko pta nhi ab inki nhi chalne wali ab jo pmo me bheta apne style me jwab deta hai, that's why pakistani crying all time on modiji's
Knowledge ki kami hey anchor main 😂😂😂😂
Non aligned movement was not an alliance. But yes, NAM countries were left alone by both USA and USSR.
HINDUSTAN , PAKISTAN , BANGLADESH , AFGHANISTAN , BALUCHISTAN OR IRAN KE 98/99% MUSLIM , AAGAKHANI KHOJA , DAUDI VOHARA , AHEMADIYA MUSLIM PAHELE HINDU THE....
USE APANE MUL HINDU DHARM ME VAPAS AANA CHAHIYE.... 🙏
OR SABHI HINDU/MUSLIM BHAI/BAHENO KO DIL SE , PURI MAHENAT SE YE KAM KARANA CHAHIYE....
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India se missile galti se gya.it was just an mistake by army personnel and india sacked those army personnels.tell me yours.you did kargil did you sacked those personal who did this or make them accountable.no way...
This guy seems sensible. I think if he becomes the PM of Pak , things could become better for Pak...also India Pak relations.
If the economic situation was somehow reversed with India facing a default and Pakistan being stable, what would be happening in Kashmir and Punjab?
Not returning Abhinandan would’ve caused a bloody war for Pakistan, not India!!
Did we have an option 😂
Love from India.. you are so intellectual
what movie or book they were talking about?
Charlie Wilsons War
Look as an Indian I know when you or India tried to get the relationship good pakistan always backstab us.
And since imran Khan cut all ties we've been doing very well without worrying about you at all.
Now we're on the point that even if Pakistan have good relationship with India or not our goal is set.
So being friends is beneficial for pakistan and being a foe is a total loss. Choice is yours but even said that
baggers can't be choosers:- shehbaz Shareef(2022)
seakh chhli ki baten, how you can say doaglepan me modi aage ye ward bhi Pakistani use kar rhe jinka pura desh hi doglepan ki wajh se aaj kaha aa gya hai 🤣🤣
Bro not to offend but modi kafi intelligent hai wo bolta kuch aur hai krta kuch aur hai, jaise 2014 ke pehle ramdev aur modi ne foreign investment ko bahut criticize kiya tha aur 2014 k baad khud FDI ke liye har desh ghum rha tha
@@Playerone1287 fir b ayega to modi hi
Thanks Shehzad. I regularly follow your podcast and it feels good that people like you doing amazing job with such healthy discussions.
I want to ask Muzamil that with identity crisis and fall of Dhaka etc should Pakistan have never came into existence? I agree most of stuff you guys discussed.
Shehzad why you guys don’t do a podcast on this topic.
Will do❤
Pakistan mein itney intelligent log kaise ho gye.... ❤❤ btw love your videos..
As a Bangladeshi I support Syed Muzzamil Shah talks
N as an india i m laughing ....he is a pakistani....same mindset😂😂🤣🤣
Move name plz
India in peace ,not having relationship with Pakistan 😂😂
Aur ek India khada kar diya??
Host looks like typical so called intellectual of Pakistan....
Thoda thoda padhai likhai karo yaar....
Imagine if India’s situation is similar to present pakistani situation… like severe economic crisis, severe political crisis, serious security situation… then definitely Pakistan would have attacked India and try to get Kashmir
The guest and the host, two most knowledgeable people in both Pakistan and India combined!
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Nobody is daring to become a pro pakistani. Eventually it will be obnoxious to them. Look at your opaque political structure and foreign policy.
Historically I agree with you....
Lol, bhai toda circle of learning badao yaar....
Gaand phad dete , agar Pakistan se Abhinandan vapas aaya naa hota toh.. cause there was lot rage in the public at that time....