TIME TO DIE, ODIN - FINALE - God of War Ragnarok - HARDEST DIFFICULTY & Mini Review
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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Max concludes his journey through God of War: Ragnarok on the hardest difficulty as Kratos challenges the gods of Asgard in one final epic confrontation!
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Goddamn. The fact that they have Mimir figure out the riddle at the most heartbreaking of moments was amazing writing.
It's a very well timed realization.
Because the thing that happened caused the answer in the riddle.
Sorry which riddle again? I beat the game but can’t remember exactly lmao
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What gets bigger the more you take away from it?
@@jacoblarson8113 And the answer was "a hole"
@@jacoblarson8113 What gets bigger the more you take away. He asked it while they were going to go see the mermaid.
The last vision board was super impactful for very simple reasons- Kratos never saw himself as anything more than a monster (and Heimdal even touched on this during the fight) so to see himself as a god of something good just shook him. I freaking love this game!
I think in the original Prophecy, the Giants saw what happens if Atreus potentially looks into the tear, that seemed like a choice that would have mattered infinitely more than any other moment. And as a result of that choice, Odin is the one who’s soul he whispers out. I can imagine another path, where Odin and Loki fight and beat Kratos, and then Loki asks Kratos the same question he asked Odin, and Kratos responds something similar to What Odin did, cause in the alternative timeline Kratos didn’t change. He then whispers out Kratos’ soul like in the prophecy of the Giants. Perhaps Laufey knew that if they both knew it too early, it would fulfill the prophecy.
Aaaahhh
So in the original timeline,Loki kills his father,thus continuing the cycle,so the giants set forth to change the prophecy as best they could?
The point Max was saying at the end was, if the protagonist of a story always gets their way, it’s a boring uninteresting story. The game has to kick your ass a little bit and make you feel bad or like “man this is rough” in order for you to feel that sense of elation upon completing it.
What a fun playthrough! Appreciate you Max for letting us join you on the wild ride!
The moment we march into Asgard for war I felt an adrenaline rush like I had not felt since the Battle Of Gondor in Return Of The King and the final battle scene in Endgame. This is one of not just greatest games I’ve ever played, it’s also one of the best sequel/conclusions to a saga I have ever seen on screen!
I cried no less than 4 times at this game, both at heartbreaking and heartwarming moments. And now we have seen not only Atreus/Loki grow into his own, we have seen Kratos finally do something I thought impossible…..open his heart not just for his wife and son, but to the world. The moment he breaks down after seeing his tryptic shrine and sees that even after all the horrible things he had done in Greece he becomes a good, caring and beloved god of all the Nine Realms I cried just as hard with him. And Atreus/Loki making the decision to leave his father and journey to find the rest of his people, I was damn near broken, this must be what parents feel like when their kids graduate and leave home.
The one thing that I had a problem with is that the “true ending” is with the funeral with Brok. I loved how it was done but I don’t want the conclusion to this game to be not just saying goodbye to Brok but seeing Sindri completely broken, and implying that he may never recover from his grief and guilt. My hope is that if we get a sequel with Atreus it will be of him helping Sindri while Sindri learns to forgive Atreus and himself. Despite that, this is not just a masterpiece of a game but one of the greatest video games ever made. And in my opinion the true 2022 Game Of The Year.
Thank you Corey Barlog, Eric Williams, the cast, and all the great geniuses behind making this game. I will treasure it always.😭😭😭👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🪓
Also I hope Max one day does a Lore Run of both of the Norse saga God Of War games.🤞🤞🤞
Im at 44 hours on give me balanced and im like 95% complete.
I finished everything at 52 hours with no mercy. Max’s stupid decision to stick to the highest difficulty while also not actually engaging with the mechanics deep enough is what led him to take so long to finish the story, and I hate that he blames the game for it and not himself.
Now you know what we need. Boss Rush GNA :-)
All those times when the game keeps telling you to do the side quests, they was just telling us to spend some more time with atreus before he goes😭
I don’t think anyone expected the comic relief germophobe dwarf to actually kill the All-Father with his own hands…what a character arc Sindri had
Technically, he did it with a hammer
@@IronMan9771 Thor would be laughing at that irony
Damn, why did I look at the comments ?
Please, spoiler alert
@@IronMan9771 well he was holding the hammer with a hand
I mean, we gotta admit, A big factor to Max preferring GoW 2018 more than ragnarok has to be because he didn't play it in the HIGHEST difficulty.
A lot of why he spent soooooo much more time in this game is because he kept dying too much due to the difficulty. And let's face it, in the lower difficulty, it would be much easier to just blow past everything without engaging with the game's mechanics as both the damage you take and damage you deal are much more balanced.
But no, he had to choose give me god of war, got stuck in a lot of fights and barely got through most of them. I mean I love your playthroughs Max, but this one was rough. I didn't know what I was expecting when you could barely combo in dmc 5, or can barely dodge in spiderman ps4, but damn. Max barely learned the mechanics of this one at the end. And he chose to do it in a difficulty that demands actual skill and attention from the player. So he kinda messed up the game's pace for himself right there.
After finally watching his entire playthrough for this game, I think a lot of the feelings he got of the game overstaying it's welcome, actually came from him being overzealous about finishing as much of the game as he did in this game mode.
Was excited that he chose gmgow at first, then remembered how poorly he did on some fights for 2018, and was suddenly very worried he would say something like he did at the end of the game. The game didn’t overstay its welcome, max overstayed his welcome on the hardest difficulty.
agreed, this max playtrought was rough as fuck to watch sadly, he is amazing in fight games, but play really bad in action games that demand a lot of mechanics, sadly he proud break the mood of the game for him. Its just strange how he always say that games need to give a lot of mechanics and tools, but he barely use any
@@anjodanielsuper for sure. I love him, but he does do goofy stuff/say goofy shit sometimes. Say one thing and do another yanno. And whats strange is that some fighting games have such deep and sophisticated mechanics and yet he’s amazing and will pick up a new game with new mechanics and in like one stream he’s got it down and is wrecking ass. I guess thats the skill that comes with 30 years of experience but dudes also just got the natural talent and understanding of it. So its superrrrrr weird when it comes to games like this which have a lot of mechanics shit to use/do, and will utilize so little of it. I honestly think a second playthrough might help. He would probably never do it let alone stream it, but it helped me a lot. Played 2018 6 times, first on give me a challenge and then two new game plus’ on gmgow. Then I did two gmgow new games and one new game plus on gmgow. And even still, Gmgow in ragnarok kicked my fucking asssssss. I was using like half the mechanics and i used the raven tear armor for so long before trying anything else because nothing appealed to me(there are some wildddd builds but I wasnt gonna find those while barely understanding the new mechanics). Raven tear is good but the point is I played the game in a sort of one-dimensional way first time around. It was my second playthrough that a lot more of the mechanics clicked with me and i did soooooo much better and had such a better time with the difficulty. Anyways sorry for the long comment, I love god of war and I love max so I can get carried away lmaoooo
I agree. The game felt long to him because he insisted on playing it on the hardest difficulty, so dying so much sapped most of the enjoyment out of the game. It's why I always play on normal difficulty. I want to enjoy myself, not get stuck and frustrated for hours. It must be a weird ego thing. Sadly, it ruined the pace of his entire playthrough.
YUPPPP and whats funny I started the game at the second to hardest and then I got to give me god of war and was like What was Max saying the game was so hard? Maybe its because It was a second playthrough but I have to NO DAMAGE fights to get a challenge now as The game even on GIVE ME GOW isn't THAT HARD especially compared to 2018 where you did Chip Damage with no moves basically until mid game. He didn't try to learn the mechanics of the game at all or look at the indicators of incoming attacks he tried playing it like a Souls game for some reason when its an RPG God of War Action Game.
They really hammered in Sindri's rage against Odin...
I see what you did there.
Bruh
😐👉🚪
Let me help with the Jormangandur thing.
2018 Jormie IS the Jormie that Loki creates via the soul marble in grandmas house. The serpent grows super fast since he’s been imparted with a giant soul and heads straight to Ragnarök and fights Thor.
From here he gets sent way back in time. Like way back. From that point he ages into bearded, mossy faced 2018 Jormie we know and love. We meet him in 2018, then again briefly before heading to Ironwood and then his old self just chills in midgar during Ragnarök.
So he probably has a recollection of the events of Ragnarök but either says nothing in 2018 to not change destiny or he legitimately only recognizes Loki from the brief few seconds he saw him after Loki created him but doesn’t know exactly why he’s familiar in 2018 due to hundreds of years passing.
So the serpent at Ragnarök was the one that grew really fast from Grandmas house. He gets sent back and ages into 2018 serpent. He lies dormant in the ice during winter/Ragnarök while his younger self fights Thor only to be sent back in time.
It seems very confusing but it’s not. Hope this helps.
Edit: I’d also like to add that it’s funny that in GoW lore it’s entirely possibly that Jormie only hates Thor so much because he is imparted with the soul of a Giant. Giants were completely wiped out by Thor and now the soul from the marble has a vessel to intact revenge. The whole thing was honestly a really clever take on the Norse myth of Loki birthing the serpent and making it fit within GoW lore.
I'm not sure where people get mixed up in this.
Jormungandr in 2018 is rumored to have travelled through time.
In Raganrok you see it happen.
The game also tells you it's not the same Jormungandr since he didn't travel from Midgard.
Now that is a mystery. Who is the snake's soul? How'd he get to asgard?
@@davidwhidden9337 I just assume a lot of people get hung up on it because they’re trying to make it a bigger plot point than it is. Maybe they assume it has a grander meaning? I’m not sure. Just here to help lol!
@@carryingfire286 Well it could have a grander meaning. Since one pretty large mystery remains. Who called the horn when Atreus was sick in the 1st game?
Jorme is integral to the 1st game. So him doing not much was disappointing in my view.
@@davidwhidden9337 I mean he already fought at Ragnarok. That’s pretty integral. We just didn’t know it yet lol.
I also think the horn thing was just a bit overblown and got retconned. I don’t think it was ever meant to amount to a whole lot and remaining a mystery doesn’t change much IMo
@@carryingfire286 if that horn blow was retcon then kinda breaks the water going down during the time between we getting atreus to freya to kratos telling atreus the truth about the both of them being gods part of the 2018 game
I really like the ending. No matter how much the characters talk about it, the story never was about Ragnarok. It's about accepting/embracing change in yourself and others. I understand if that's not something everyone expected for a GoW sequel, but I personally loved the direction they went for
I get what you're saying, but those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be 1 or the other. They could have done both.
They should have called it God of Was Accepting/Embrace then because I was told the sequel was called Ragnarok and the trailers never stopped talking about ragnarok?
What's the game called again lol?
Which is quite appropriate since Ragnarok is a myth of rebirth and change. It's a story about a world that ends but actually continues right after that. Other gods take the place of Odin and Thor and the famous characters we know, and life keeps going. Ragnarok is not like the christian apocalypse, it's not the end of the world and that's it, it's the beginning of a new one over the destruction of the previous one. It's great and fits the themes of this game.
But the actual Ragnarok that was shown in God of War Ragnarok was really disappointing, yeah, we have to admit that. I'm really surprised by the themes and depth of the characters of the story in this game but... we still have to admit it was really, meh.
@@neoshenlong what was meh about it?
Kratos was about to cry seeing that he would be worshipped.
He was worshiped in greece, but out of fear. He sees the worship, but out of love as he truly cares about them. He never thought he would be given that kind of love.
@@punkem733 I think Spartans really did worship him , as you see in ghost of Sparta and 2 they prayed to him and glorified him
@@shaqace615 but in a wrong way, man.
@@vault29a They did not pray to him in a wrong way, he was not worse than any of the other gods, the Spartans knew him since his days as general. YOU DO NOT KNOW GOD OF WAR.
Not gonna lie, I’m glad Sindri caught his fade against Odin. You don’t kill a man’s brother & not expect the other sibling to spin the block.
I did not like the fact that the bear transformation was never usable outside the main quest
@Christian Romero I'm sure that will change in the future.
Hood
That didn’t do nothing but release Odin’s soul. His soul is now probably in the lake of souls or moved on to helheim now.
@@Dangangela6565
It is English.
It's just not *your* English.
Brok...was abrasive. And crude. And kind of a dick. But he stook up for the people he cared for. When something bad happened to them, he did all he could for their sake. Even when he wasn't talking to them anymore, he'd wonder and worry for their safety. Even with part of his soul gone, he was kind and brave. I'll miss him.
Farvel, Brokkr. Master blacksmith.
His memory shall live on, not just through his weaponry, but through the friendships he forged with just as much prowess.
Gonna miss ya, you blue bastard.
Wait, what. Brok (Brokkr) is not the son of Ivaldi. The sons of Ivaldi are different dwarves from Brok and Sindri (Eitri).
@@cassiopaeiavirgo2369 Fixed it. Musta gotten my details mixed. lol
Brok was a real one calling all of Fake Tyr's BS with no holds barred. Just wish he did it from across the room. Still what a character fitting of a profane song in his honor
I'll never forget the time when he offered to come along when Atreus was sick and Kratos was going into Helheim to retrieve the bridge keeper's heart.
I love max, but the only reason he found the game repetitive was because he would be in the same fight for 30 min, 20 of those 40 hours of play he got is in the death screen smh, funny af to watch though lmaooo, I know if I want perfect movement I go to GBG
This is generally how Max gets frustrated with games. To be fair, if a game is fun on hard, that means that the gameplay loop was executed extremely well in a balanced way. But on the other hand, sometimes players can't get well acclimated with the loop and blame the difficulty as a flawed part of the game's design.
GBG is the 🐐. 😂👏🏼
He’s too trash for hard diff dumb streamer should’ve turned it down to grace
That's exactly what was going through my head when he was talking about the game's length toward the beginning of the video. Ragnarok's story is roughly 20 hours long on Normal (Give Me Balance), just like the previous game. Now, does the story have pacing issues? Yes. But for him to have nearly 50 hours of playtime without even finishing the main story (even tho that's been his focus) is *crazy*.
Hearing Sindri's tonal change is insane... Like, heart wrenching. The VA and the writing really sold his change of heart.
Edit: Som'in i've noticed since watching this game and after Brok's death is the dwarves seem to rather not see them use their teleportation. Always seemed like they waited for you to go. And Sindri teleporting on screen gives an uneasy air about the magic... like... it shouldn't be seen, but it feels like he's purposely breaking a taboo and blinking away.
Oh wow, it was very clear on the morale of the story. It was a lesson about change, the Norns were clear on Kratos's unchanging ways on being a God Killer. If Kratos continued the fight, the prophecy would have been fulfilled with Thor killing Kratos.
Kratos telling Atreus that he was wrong for telling him to close his heart, going out of his way to save the midgardians, all of the flashbacks with Faye encouraging Kratos to do good & care for other, his heart-to-heart talk & promise with Atreus, and talking down Thor instead of trying to kill him was Kratos truly changing his nature.
I highly doubt Thor would kill Kratos if the latter chose to keep fighting. Nothing about his capabilities would've changed. If anything, Kratos would likely kill Thor, ignore Thrud, make an enemy out of her (possibly, Sif would've explained that Odin is a bad influence) like he did with Freya at the end of GoW 2018. At large, very little would've changed - the Asgard would fall to Ragnarok, Freyr would likely survive because he wouldn't have to hold off Ragnarok to save Midgardians and other "innocents". Yes Atreus would've been less compassionate at the end, and they likely would've killed Odin instead of having Sindri smash the marble, but the outcome would be the same
@@jpjfrey5673 nah, thor would have killed kratos as shown in the prophecy.
@@S_2_7 you got any actual arguments to support that claim?
Kratos only changed his demeanor as he was *right at the wall* with Sindri ready to crack it. He would've had to fight through the einherjar the exact same way. He would've fought Thor the exact same way. The only difference being he would cut Thor down instead of simply pinning him. *Nothing* about the outcome at large would change - even if Thrud opposed Kratos, she can't beat him or even provide as much of a challenge as Heimdall did. And Heimdall was effectively beaten within a minute
@@jpjfrey5673 what argument do you need? The evidence is the prophecy. If not for the change of choices that they made, thor would have killed kratos, as shown in the prophecy. Kratos and thor are equal in strength, since Thor was literally toying with kratos in the first fight.
@@S_2_7 it's been made clear that the prophecy is cause and effect. You still hold onto it as if it's predetermined. Kratos made plenty of choices that were different from his old self on the way to that point.
Fact: he changed his mind at a point where it wouldn't realistically matter.
Fact: he would have to go through the exact same things if he chose to keep his heart closed: breaking the wall, fighting the einherjar and later Thor.
Fact: Kratos is *stronger* than Thor at the point of the second fight. He also may have had Atreus' or Freya's help if he'd chosen to not send them out to help Midgardians/hold Ragnarok, so even further tipping scales in his favor. Kratos beat Thor *alone,* that is argument enough for former being stronger
"To grieve deeply is to have loved fully" line hits deep. When I first heard all I could think of is FF7. Look that's about as spoilerless as possible.
“3 vs 1” “don’t forget about me fucker” lmao Odin never heard anyone talk to him like that before. He was confused as fuck
All-fucker*
To those who didn't do it, there's a sidequest to do in Nifleheim after post-Ragnarok in an area near the Raven Tree. That quest is a must do!
I LOVE IT
He mentioned how the story was too long and that him doing extra side quests shouldn't be an excuse as to why the narrative felt off to him because in Elden Ring he constantly got side tracked and it all felt amazing. Personally, that comparison is extremely unfair. Elden Ring did not have a heavy, focused narrative like this. If you're going to do a bunch of side quests, then the story is going to feel longer. I did 4-5 hours of extra side quests as I went through Ragnarok, and beat the game on normal difficulty at about 27 hours (it felt like the perfect length). I got the Platinum at just over 40 hours. Max's first playthrough here ends at about 51 hours, so with the added difficulty plus all the extra stuff he did, I don't see why he doesn't recognize that if the narrative feels too long, it is because he didn't play solely going through the narrative.
Obviously play how you want, I just think if you're going to complain about the narrative length, understand that the actual story length is 23-27 hours, not 51-54 hours; and certainly not compare a story driven game to an open world game that is far less narrative driven and is a different type of game. Not to say Ragnarok is better than Elden Ring or anything like that, but it's an odd comparison to make.
Yes exactly what i thought, that isn't a fair comparison, it's more like a personal preference, but Max here is talking about what he felt about the game, which is why he said he would give a 10/10 as critical score.
90% of that extra playtime is him being utter *SHIT* at combat while playing the hardest difficulty. It’s all on him
Exactly. 👏🏼👏🏼
To add a bit more. How did Max take 51 hours to finally beat the story portion of this game? I know he did some side quests but the most I spent on this game was 46 hours and got 100%. Those last 6 hours spent doing the last few bosses and such.
I don't agree with Max about Elden Ring and this game but I do think he's just being genuine so it's okay. I think it's a bit much to talk so much about Elden Ring in the ending of this game though. Games should stand on their own, I don't understand this constant need to compare them against one another.
His comment about the side quests getting in the way of the advancement of the story, i guess it's all perspective. To me, it's like Kratos believes he gonna die so he's prolonging the "inevitable" but then also, since he becomes the "rebuilder" instead of the destroyer, it makes sense for him to stop and help and fix things along the way, despite his obvious end responsibility.
And he's wrong. The side quests enhance the story.
@@BaldorfBreakdowns I played ragnarok in normal difficulty and did all the side quests, but felt similar to max in that the side quests just distracted from the main quest. What's the point of getting durlin's hammer if the dwarves weren't joining the war? Why help birgir when he didn't join the fight in the end? Why make us go through 3 requests just to understand faye's fight with thor, and again how did that enhance the story? A nice bit of info, sure, but if you took that side quest away, it wouldn't have changed the story one bit.
This game was amazing and I'm about to start Elden Ring.
To be honest, I feel Max was being a little critical regarding this game's length and story beats. It's definitely much better paced when you are not dying constantly to random mini bosses because the game is on the hardest difficulty. Seems like he would have enjoyed it much more on a different difficulty.
Which is strange that Max had that complaint for Ragnarok but when Elden Ring prolongs gameplay through trial and error that's okay?
Regardless excited to start Elden Ring!
ER difficulty is programmed correctly as in GOW it isn’t. It’s more gimmicky in GOW.
It's different, Elden Ring was created around that, trial and error is part of the game's philosophy. God of War Ragnarök isn't about trial and error, it's a linear story game (with optional side content obviously), which means that if the game drags, you can tell that it drags.
2:53:00 Did anyone else notice that the last panel has been painted over? The raised figures show it was originally the 'Kratos dies in Loki's arms, Thor standing nearby' panel from the other prophecy. But someone (I'm guessing either Faye or Angrboda) painted over the last panel to show him a different future he could have.
I think it was faye as typically in this game, and the last, the use of gold signifies fayes' influence (the climable surfaces being marked as gold in 2018 and the colour of waypoints for main objectives being gold in both games)
Oh, wtf, seen that scene multiple times and never noticed lol. Thought the Thor figure was just a random giant also worshipping Kratos lmao
I believe Faye depicted that based on the dialogue. She created a prophecy that would be fulfilled should he listen to her advice.
Yes 😊
Love this game alot. Great way to end my year.
Personally this game was my Game of the Year.
Super pumped to see what’s to come next year! It’s looking stacked.
Too many atreus sections with uninspiring combat and poor writing probably was the main reason it lost. Elden ring isn't perfect but it never had multiple bad sections like ragnarok has so it's fair that it won imo
To me too, I love Elden Ring but Gow Ragnarok hits me in a personal level. Both deserved the title
@Ssk I feel like this is bait. But those sections aren't disappearing, if anything the Boy is gonna get more screen time and be fleshed out more.
@@Gunzerkingidiot yeah don't even bother to reply him, there is no valid point to argue about in his statement.
@@Gunzerkingidiot Atreus segments were one of the bigger complaints people have had about this game (The biggest definitely being the egregious backseating), so I don't think it's fair to dismiss his entire opinion as bait. He's not wrong either. They're necessary to build up the atreus gameplay legacy, but as it stands his gameplay just isn't gonna compare to Kratos, who has three times as many options for gameplay and a bigger legacy to build upon. It was inevitable that the Atreus sections would be a weak point for the game.
The best thing about this game is that you can either blitz through the game OR you can do the side content. Just keep in mind that the side content is just as good, if not BETTER, than the main story. Freyas side mission is easily one of the best in the game.
The Crater is my favorite part of the game. Stumbling upon and finishing side quests while doing a sidequest was supremely fun.
Yeah I finished my first play through (and optional bosses) on Give Me No Mercy mode and it was literally perfect. Just challenging enough to make the big fights feel really satisfying and make you pay attention to the small ones, but not so overtuned that you never get that “God-like” feeling. It was a perfect balance.
Great playthrough! But to say Kratos was "insanely one dimensional" pre-2018 GOW is just false
Kratos' bedtime story hits extra hard when you remember that in Greece, Thanatos, the Death God, has a twin brother named Hypnos, who is the God of Sleep.
Still blows my mind that Angrboda and Doc McStuffins are played by the same person.
I KNEW I RECOGNIZED THAT VOICE FROM SOMEWHERE
Excuse me *What*
It's a really nice touch how the last panel showing Kratos being worshiped as a God was actually painted over by Angrboda, you can see the emboss of the original panel (where Atreus is holding Kratos while Thor stares down) under the bright paint that she uses throughout Jotunheim, symbolizing how they didn't let fate dictate their actions. Simply amazing.
It was actually painted over by Faye not Angrboda as explained by the game's writer, that's why the paint is the same yellow paint used in the trees and why Kratos breaks down
I still think picking the difficulty he did for a first playthrough was a mistake. He's worn out by his own choice. I platinumed the game in 46hrs. I get he wants a challenge but dying over and over will ruin things for most people. Not everything has to be hard as fuck. Especially when you're Kratos. I appreciate him willpowering to the end because I sure couldn't on playthrough 1.
Exactly, I saw this on his stream and he was stuck on bosses because of the difficulty. Ironically, the same thing happened to him in Elden Ring but he did not complain then.
@@VenomousWolverineit’s because, as Max himself mentions, most of the difficulty in Give Me God of War is completely artificial and sometimes kinda BS. Insane amounts of enemy health, coupled with some attacks that will 1.5 shot you throughout the entire game. Also, it kinda takes the fun away from the combat for the first half+ of the game because the weapons do such little chip damage that it takes the weight out of it. I think No Mercy is the best balanced of the difficulty settings. Why Elden Ring is different in Max’s mind, and mine as well, is because their games are built around difficult combat, so it’s more tuned- it doesn’t feel as cheap when you die because you a) expect difficulty and b) it’s most often your fault and you learn from it. FromSoft has learned how to deliver the perfect combat reward system derived from their difficulty- Santa Monica doesn’t build their games with this in mind so it’s understandable they turn to cheap tactics to sub for wasting dev hours on actually tuning a difficulty setting only 10% of players will try.
@@pievancl5457 Elden Ring bosses one shot you as well. I have literally seen all of his streams on twitch and there were plenty of bosses which had attacks that took 70% of the health bar. Most players play Give me God of War difficulty after figuring out the combat mechanics instead of directly jumping into the game with the hardest difficulty. From Software doesn't give you the option to select difficulty or else many people would select Normal in it as well.
@@VenomousWolverine which bosses one shot you?
2018's gmgow mode is perfect, ragnarok's is fucking garbage. don't know why they balanced that mode the way they did
I don't know how Max can say that Ragnarok beat around the bush getting to, well, Ragnarok, and that that didn't happen in 2018. It's literally untrue. I played 2018 two months ago and became frustrated at the end because the game keeps cockteasing Jotunheim like 3-4 times before actually giving it to you. It keeps telling you "oh this is how you get to Jotunheim" before going "just kidding" multiple times. It felt like it was wasting my time more than Ragnarok ever did.
Yeah, the formula is basically, Step 1: do quest. Step 2: go try to get to Jotunheim. Repeat steps 1 and 2 until successful.
Which isn't an inherent problem, but if you're gonna say they teased Ragnarok more than 2018 teased Jotunheim... well, I got some words for ya!
Calling kratos 1-dimensional before 2018 is unfair, he had his own character arcs through the og trilogy and even the side games
While true. At one point he was like a shitty version of Frank Castle. Simply the evolution to make him a dormant and responsible beast in his development after Gow lll
@@nobabrilg5581 bingo
Agreed. While most of the classic games could be reduced to "Kratos angry", it was that simplicity that made his character shine through whenever they showed his more humane traits. GoW1, Chains of Olympus, Ghost of Sparta and even GoW3 to an extent had poignant moments where Kratos was allowed to shed that rage-riddled outer shell of his.
Also, I always found kinda awesome and sad that this one dude was SO angry that his determination and rage were the only things keeping him alive in a world full of egotistic gods (not to say Kratos wasn't an egotistic asshole too).
To me, this new GOW Kratos only works BECAUSE I've seen the shit he's done and been through. The contrast makes it much better IMO.
Yeah, the arc was to turn him 1 dimensional. 1 was the most fleshed out, 2 is just a raging asshole, and 3 was escalation of 2.
Kratos was a garbage character and I'm glad that these games didn't act like he's somehow absolved of his act.
@@HellecticMojo wow, what a surface level take. Read Victor Teste’s comment, that sums it up best
i personally love seeing a $70 game have 50+ hours of content. it makes me feel like i’m getting my money’s worth
Especially when the large majority of those 50+ hours is S-tier content.
Seriously. 10-20 hours or less for a $60+ game is never satisfying. Even if it's the best game I ever played, then I just want more.
You just start getting into the gameplay, mastering it's elements, and then it's over.
The main story on normal is 20 to 25 hours lol. On hard its like double due to multiple deaths on normal enemies
They built a statue to him in the mural and were worshiping him.
It comes back to the line that odin said to him. "What do you know about being a god? Have you ever tried to help people, or had people worship you?" Which obviously hit kratos hard as all he's only ever used being a god for its power, and to destroy things.
In God of War 2, the Spartans call on him and he helps them win. Zeus even says he was out of control because he was helping Sparta crush most of Greece. He was beloved for his ferocity, by an equally ferocious people. Hell, even Athena loved him until the end. Odin was looking at the past from his own perspective, not that of the time Kratos excelled in nor its culture. In other words, this portrayal of Odin would be a reddit mod
@@UFGatorsFBFan They didn't love him. Same as they didn't 'Love' Ares in the actual Sparta. They worshipped and asked for help during war, nothing else, nothing more. He wasn't loved like Athena or Poseidon or even Hestia was whose function were more things than just War. Now a for Athena in the game, she never loved Kratos, she manipulated him and all the other gods, she wanted the power of Hope for herself and become the sole god of Greece. Hence why she was angry when Kratos gave it to humanity.
@@greekjohn1998The Spartans definitely cared about Kratos in more than just a worshipping sort of way, The Last Spartan clearly cared a lot about Kratos. Athena did too, she was just corrupted when she died, the books make it even more clear that she loved Kratos in more than just a brotherly way, the games imply it too, since Zeus is annoyed that she didn't fight back against Kratos because she cared about him.
That being said, Odin's words still hit home since Kratos didn't care about them in the way he should have and the Spartans cared for him because he was a destroyer, not a good person, so him being worshipped because he is a rebuilder is still important to him.
Max, kratos was the champion all along, not atreus. Atreus became the voice for his people, kratos becomes the champion, one that fights for the people.
Max you gotta do a Gna boss rage!! Guarantee it’ll make a good video. She’s super tough. Harder than Sigrun imo.
@@Sizzlinpapaya1014did he ever respond to it? I’d want to see the bezerker fights too. Some are just so good
I’m glad GMGOW mode didn’t ruin it for you. It’s a really frustrating mode, and I’m glad you realized that at the end. It’s really a great game and as you said, one of the best of all time.
Except it did kinda ruin it for him. He was constantly complaining throughout the entire playthrough about things that could have been easily fixed if he just lowered the difficulty setting one notch.
hearing og Kratos being called 1 dimensional constantly after 2018 bothers me
Yeah It's getting tiresome
He is.
@@HellecticMojo he isn't
@@mauriceomer4644 he is. 2018 is basically an admission of how awful the character was and needed course correction.
@@HellecticMojo 2018 was the continuation of the end of old kratos’s development at the end of god of war 3 he started his journey to redemption
The irony is that by going on and on about the game being too long, Max only made the VODs longer 😆
Not to mention, he is partly why it took as long as it did throughout his playthrough
He played on max difficulty. This game isn't too long, he is just eating mouthfuls of shit on the same boss for 40 minutes, for all bosses.
What makes it worst is that on YoVideoGames he mentioned during their play through of GOW 3 that he was going to play this game on the hardest difficulty, to STRETCH IT OUT AS LONG AS HE CAN! Lol now he’s complaining that it’s too long but he literally knows the reason and did it on purpose. Instead of being real and admitting that he’s taking a long time with the fights, he’s faulting the game and using it to affect his feelings towards it.
1:22:00 the pivotal moment that changes kratos's fate.
Honestly. I feel that Max is maybe "burning out" a bit. And he has pressure to play these games before other games show up. And it probably gnaws the enjoyment, knowing he has to pick up the next game.
Maybe I am wrong or projecting a bit or something. But it just seems that way. I hope he takes break at some point. 🙂
Was anyone else a bit underwhelmed by the Thor fight? At least compared to the first battle that had multiple stages/arenas?
nah. tbh i fee like this was fine. this fight was cool but Kratos was not trying to really kill him. The first fight really did very well. but i think how the story set up the rematch was perfectly fine. Deep down i feel like it would have been a great mix to have Kratos and Thor kick odins ass as a badass team
Max is starting to get old in gaming years. He now's nitpicking aboit the length of the game while the game is giving a lot. It's not like it becomes repetitive or something. I'm 36 and I have reached that point as well. I remember playing dark souls 1 and going for the platinum fucking offline. I spent hours inside the painting just to farm shit and accidentally killing Priscilla before cutting her tail twice and had to go for another game+ and I was having a blast. Nowadays I would not have the patient nor time to do that kind of thing again and would be more than happy just to complete the main storyline.
I agree, the climbing is a bit much at times. However, this is a linear story driven game which uses those moments for dialogue.
They're loading screens.
Played both GOW 2018 and Ragnarok to 100% completion this past month. GOW 2018 has the better story but Ragnarok has the better gameplay.
The beauty of GOW 2018's story is its simplicity: a story of an estranged father and son getting to know each other, bonding, and mourning the loss of a loved one while on an adventure to honor their late loved one's final wish. The customization and options Ragnarok gives you makes it fun. You can build multiple armor sets, all of whom are viable, and each of the weapons are really fun to use.
Strongly agree
I agree.. I also liked the tone better of 2018. It felt weightier and kind of darker.. the many many quips and some of the lighter plot beats of Ragnarok just didn’t work for me. All in all, Ragnarok was still an amazing amazing experience.
I kinda agree but also disagree, personally I think 2018 has both better story AND gameplay, Ragnarök removed bare handed combat and added some unnecessary Δ attacks + combos felt better in 2018 in my opinion.
He is no longer the Destroyer, but the Rebuilder, let's freaking go man, it was mentioned before by Odin, asking if he has ever felt love, been worshipped etc, the last vision panel is him getting what he never got, being worshipped and loved
Kinda crazy how Thor is like Kratos. They were monster for their master
Odin had more moves than Zeus did in his final fight
Odin would get fucking clapped by Zeus
@@Theoneeyed_ghoul naaaaaaah
True, but zeus had more variations on fights, and felt more epic and a more worthy final boss.
@@Theoneeyed_ghoul The Greek Gods in general are just far more powerful.
@@Theoneeyed_ghoul Okay Zeus fanboy
I don’t think this game is really that long. I was able to almost completely 100% the game in less than 50 hours. But I thinks it’s that all of the side content is meaningful to the gameplay experience and story they’re telling. I think story seems so long because it all has major plot relevance and stays ramped up in excitement throughout its entirety.
Atreus grabbed her hands and looked her dead in the eyes... BOY GOT GAME
When ppl say God of 2018 and Ragnorok lacks depth in combat just tell them to watch the UA-camr Game Breaker God. His videos show the true potential. Kratos looks invincible
I think I'll go check that out. lol
I really hope Max pushes just a little further and takes on the last Valkyrie and Viking King!
I think the fact of the matter is that you took so long to finish it, your fan base adores you for good reason but having the content comeout so late as opposed to the rest of the internet means many of them went off to watch others play it because people were so hungry for the story, and they came back to see your reaction and want you to have the best experience possible so they "try to help you" by backseating asking you to do certain content.
1:54:16 That was rough. I was feeling the dream, literal pixel of life and the boss is taking DAMAGE, and you could tell Max was feeling it too. Then... this. More heartbreaking than Brok, RIP.
I actually like shorter games myself, I just don't have the time to sit through 60+ hours to play a game, mostly because I want to make time for other games, Red Dead 2 was a pretty hype game but it was just too long for me.
Atreus grabbed her hands and looked her dead in the eyes... BOY GOT GAME
That's not really true about gmgow. Ask you have to do is be smart with your equipment and not suck. They even have armor that removed damage while you do runic attacks so that you can effectively use all of them even on gmgow
"Everything about this game is better than 2018, story, characters, bosses, gameplay, EVERYTHING. But I like 2018 more and think it's better personally."
I love ya Max, but that makes no sense whatsoever lmfao.
I get what he’s saying. I agree that almost everything in this game is improved but 2018 to me is just a better game it’s weird
This game had worse villains and shit the bed on many key moments.
Ragnarok was a video game.
2018 was an experience.
@@derrickpanciera5644 Baldur yelling "I can't feel anything constantly" was not that impactful to me. Meanwhile Thor being basically Kratos before he changed was great. The enemy variety was great. In 2018 you have this one goal and you are constantly sidetracked with McGuffins. It's kinda silly. Not like that in this game.
@@derrickpanciera5644 I agree. 2018 was unlike anything I’ve ever played in terms of feeling
@@HastyElderHaman Thor was terrible and so was Odin.
Love how the opening fight with Thor had like five phases (just like the opening Baldur fight) but the actual fight with Thor was a face roll without a phase 2 before he gets one shot by Odin after two games of buildup.
Speaking of two games of buildup.
Odin fight ends with him getting caressed gently by Artreus then put into a pokeball.
Ragnarok shit the bed man.
MILES "I play games on the highest difficulty because I enjoy being a gluttony of punishment" CHRISITAN :P HAHAHA OOPS
Wait, is there people who would actually prefer Elden Ring without Caelid? Isn't one of the most memorable moments from those games suddenly finding yourself in a fucking hellscape filled with abominations?
The death and what Thor said was perfectly timed lol. 1:49:49.
Love this game its such a master piece
Idk but watching Max fight Thor and showing us how much he sucks at the game kinda irks me
God of War Ragnarok really hits at home with all this good storytelling and good action and premise that Max is beyond words, still I think everybody can agree that when Freya told Odin "bow to your queen." I think she was saving that moment for this.
And the way that they did Thor was, I think in my opinion, very interesting on how they actually did it, by making him a flawed character just as much as Kratos.
So no finishing extra boss fights and all that?
Atreus gameplay is ok, but I prefer Kratos. His mechanics may work better when he does get his own spin off
It was kratos in the prophecy. The giants foresaw kratos dead in Atreus’ arms. During ragnarok kratos underwent a change of character. When he told Atreus to open his heart. Thus surviving and Odin died instead. Faye destroyed the future part of their mural with the hope/desire for kratos and Atreus to have a different future. It was always kratos in the mural. It’s just like doc brown said, “Your future is whatever you make it. So make it a good one!”
The proof is the last mural in ragnarok. The prophecy of rebuilder kratos painted over dead kratos. The future panel of kratos’ tryptic is now different because he changed the future with his character growth at the end of ragnarok. He made different decisions and they resulted in different outcomes. Outcomes where kratos lives and has his redemption.
The God of war Kratos is dead.
The champion is born.
Ragnarok in myth is wild af, Thor hits snake so hard it travels back in time and then he dies of poisoning
And people describe exploitive and manipulative people as like poison. Thor got killed by poison here.
Final scene before the actual credits gets muted, thanks UA-cam.
Man max missed so many scenes, and endings. He went back to it on a stream like 4 days ago had the title screen up for like 6 mins, then left it for another game. That was abrupt.
Some people just don’t care and it’s a shame
You can’t make someone interested in stuff if they’re not.. it always sucks when a streamer doesn’t care about stuff I do, but I get that everyone has different tastes. Max probably has a ton of other stuff to play too.
@@pievancl5457 Oh I know, it doesn't bother me, I'm not 11 lol. I just found it weird he put the game screen up and said he was gonna do the side quests and other stuff, the screen was up for 6mins and like 34 secs going by the chapter time on that stream, then switched to another game. And yes he has A LOT of stuff to play.
Yeah, him missing out extra bits of dialog between characters throughout the entire playthrough bothered me as well.
Did not notice that Odin wags his finger at you, right before that one restart.
maxi face all time: 😐
40:00 amazing scene reminds me of when kratos was with his daughter when she was asleep he smiled and kissed her on her head. This time kratos is expressing sadness but the love is just as pure in both instances.
Lady SIF is Elena from uncharted play station keeping in the family 👍🏾
Some of the best storytelling in gaming history.
I love this game but this is a bit much
@DJ R idk I think it's one of the best as well. Are there really any other series of games that reference and respect the Originals while building on them at the same time? There's issues, no doubt but I really don't think any other game franchise can stack up to this level of storytelling.
Nah, not really.
the 1st game GOW 2018 . HELL YES.
This one? no. It's rushed as hell. It's like they gave up on the story on the 3rd act.
this is what happens when Cory Barlog is not part of the writing team.
Sure bro xdd
Max Skipped Way to Much!.
The God of Sparta died. A new Kratos was born.
I’m 65+ hours in and still not 100%. Vanaheim has so much shit to do……. Lol
1:32:33 that transition is badass
As great as the narratives and characters are in these recent games, I completely disagree that Kratos used to be a one-dimensional character. Kratos always had depth and complexity and the main reason the story is so great in these newer games is because of the older ones.
He had some depth, but never to this degree.
Though I do agree, it is only b/c of who Kratos was that makes who he is now so incredible.
@@StormSnake0618 The newer games have definitely brought Kratos's inner turmoil, complexities and nuances to the forefront, but they were always there in the older games, buried under Kratos's rage and hatred. But I'm glad you agree on the importance of the older games' narratives as I get really tired of newer "fans" constantly dismissing them.
I give Ghost of Tsushima a personal 10/10. Even now, I will hop back on every now and then to take some pictures for wallpapers and even Legends is still fun. It was an experience, like you said. It's one of those very few games that I wish I could wipe my memory of so I can, "play it for the first time," all over again. I haven't seen Max's playthrough of it, so maybe I will for the holidays.
did he know that he could save Tyr?
"All F*cker" Mimir is hilarious hahahahahahaha
Really hate that the majority of Brok's funeral had to be muted. Ruins the moment a bit, especially that those of use that had to watch the youtube vids missed out on Sindri's "I love you" line.
GoW 2018 was a more straight forward game, about a boy and his father keeping a promise. And the main story was kinda shorter than Ragnarok, GOW Ragnaroks main story is long as fuck, plus side quest and I'll 100%it later after I finish Gotham knights, I've already beaten GOW Ragnaroks story
God damn its so lame that the vod was muted during the funeral scene. What a way to ruin the mood.
Everything leading up to the end was really well done, but it just didn't feel as satisfying as 2018. Not sure if others feel the same way?
I'm disappointed that the prophecy is literally just odins soul sucked out and thors hammer never being used despite shown at the end of gow2018 and part of the collectors edition?
Ragnarok tried to balance too many plates. I felt that Ragnarok itself should have been a situation occurring more in the ether, with Kratos and Atreus working to stave off its effects while Odin and his acolytes try to impose themselves on their lives. With the amount present throughout, it could have been two games. Freya's turn was hasty in my view, and Freyr's tedious dude-bro act wore thin, as did some of the more self-aware elements of the game. In trying to say something about everyone, it took the focus away from developing parts of its core. I understand the writers wanted our protagonists to amass a war band to fight Asgard, only to choose another destiny, but it felt bloated and underdeveloped in parts. That said, what it did get right ended up being spectacular and thrilling. I prefer 2018, but there's no denying GoWR's obscene quality across the board. I had a great time with it and I'm going to enjoy getting to 100% over the next few weeks.
I don't get why people think old kratos was 1 dimensional. he had depth to him. people just take the meme to far with him in the old games. He for sure grew way more in 2018 and ragnarok. that was the goal and he reached it.
It's because he was. He started out okay in 1, then became a parody tier edgelord in 2 and doubled down in 3. Only reason he's not edgier is because ancient Greece didn't have katanas or guns to be attached to him like a Rob Liefeld character.
Did you ever go back and do the bezerker fights and the Valkyrie? I’d love seeing you finish it off with some of those fights
The music is absolutely PERFECT at the beginning of the Ragnarok war. The tense atmosphere with such a dramatic score is something I’ll remember for the rest of my life. FUCKING BRAVO Bear McCreary and team
I dunno if it's accidental or by design, but Bitter Squirrel getting slightly less aggressive and more or less reluctantly helpful during the Odin fight is pretty hilarious.
Watching Max struggle through some of these fights, that he didn't even have to fight. When they tell you that you have to keep moving, it's them telling you that you don't have to right. Just skip all them.
It's time... The end is upon us brother's and sister's the finale is time!