You were dead on ! I myself felt a little let down by the game , but I still enjoyed it cause of the combat ! To me there was so much that upset me overall though ! So in a sense I love the game , but I didn’t like the story and I felt the gods didn’t feel like gods ! They tried to hard to make them feel more human , that they didn’t even feel like gods to me ! Now In the original trilogy , those gods feel like gods , but yes they don’t have the deep emotion of the Norse gods in god of war ragnarok ! To me they sacrificed too much of their godhood to make them them more human and relatable , well maybe some like this , I don’t , I wanted Odin to feel like a god ! To me he felt more like a mall store salesman ! But I already expected that once they said they casted Richard schiff as Odin as already seen him in so many movies before ! So I knew what to expect !
The whole " end of the world" thing just seemed weak by the end of the game. It just never felt like anything bad was ever going to happen in the game.
Yeah seriously. Compared to 3 with the gradual destruction of Greece. First the rising ocean, then the souls of the dead escaping, then the sun gets blocked out, then pestilence and disease spread. Even Hera makes a point to point out how plants and fauna are dying too. The world really felt like it was falling apart and there were actual stakes
@@peteybakedziti8908The funny thing is though, that’s exactly how Ragnarok goes in Norse mythology lol. Don’t blame the writing teams for that, blame the poets from hundreds of years ago for that one.
@@Hedron1027the Devs have always exaggerated source material. Why not do it here with Ragnarok to make it a more interesting experience for players? It was the main draw for the game and it fell completely flat
@AdamAdam-vu3qt personally I didn't think it was too bad. Might have overstayed its welcome, but it was a nice break from all the chaos imo. Just wish the whole ragnarok sequence was a lot longer than what we got
imagine if it was a trilogy and you befriended and unbroken tyr for this whole game and then near the end of the third odin gets exposed, that would be the twist of a lifetime
they had to rush if we really wanted a trilogy we would have to wait 10 plus more years but obv were impatient as fuck the hype for the game will be long dead
@@HristMist then you would’ve missed out on a great franchise. Here however, we got a lack luster franchise. Trying to fit EVERYTHING in one game whilst fraying most of the bigger plot points built in the last one. They did nothing with Atreus being Loki, the real god mischief was Odin all along. After hearing great tales of Tyr, all we get is a cosplayer and then a few Easter eggs to other pantheons. Should’ve been a trilogy so they could’ve better fleshed out the story and the char dev.
It really should have been yeah letting us build a bond with tyr over the course of a whole game for him to betray us in the third one would be fucking amazing But devs gotta rush things Would also amplify the feel of him being as manipulative as they make him out to be
My favorite part is when Sif goes from absolutely hating Atreus and convincing Thor to kill him, to loving him and joining his side, for absolutely no reason. To honestly believe that stupid Atreus could move into Odins house, where everyone quickly forgets that he's killed a bunch of there family. You are telling me that not one person would try to poison him, kill him in his sleep, etc.
@@MrKULVIS He means that the scene where she was "trying to convince Thor to kill Atreus " was actually intentionally misleading : It was implied that she was actually speaking of Odin Btw I hate the game
@@eliasraspail3650 So Sif appears to take Atreus into custody. Maybe it is true that she's referring to Odin, but she spent the whole game hating Atreus, and does nothing to stop Thor from killing him. What does Sifs hate for Odin have anything to do with Atreus? She's just all the sudden on board with the whole plan of destroying her home and watching her family and friends burn?
@@MrKULVISbecause in that scene where Thor thought she was telling him to kill Atreus was actually her trying to convince Thor to go against Odin but due to him being drunk and shit he misinterpreted it and tried to kill him. Also she hated Atreus in the beginning because he did after all kill her two sons, I would say that she was allowed to hate him then. Just saying
Many people think that Odin is lying about losing his eye by looking at the rift, cause both in real mythology and the game mythology is explained how he lost his eye, so maybe anyone can look at the rift he just doesn't want anybody to do it without having the mask completed first, just a theory tho.
@@15OgLoc The real problem with the rift is it's already concluded and I guess making up a supposed result of what might happen doesn't carry weight anymore.
I would have liked Ragnarok SO MUCH more if they’d just kept the tone of 2018. 2018 just felt so much more dark and grounded.. obviously it was fantastical because it’s a game about Gods and mythos, but the internal logic and rules of the world were much more consistent than Ragnarok. The thematic elements were of the story were much better executed, and the emotional pay offs were earned. The story of Ragnarok felt like a Marvel movie. This has been said many times and it feels cliche to say, but it’s true. The witty banter, the lightness of the story beats that floated from one rushed section to the next, all of it.. it just felt nothing like 2018. It’s such a shame, because as a game Ragnarok is stellar- the graphical fidelity, animations, art design, music and combat mechanics were amazing. The story held it back so badly. I also think a lot of the main story could have been trimmed and it wouldn’t have suffered at all. Hopefully next time they cut back on the constant attempts at witty banter too.. it just doesn’t work. In the first game, the humor was spread out and thus had a bigger impact. Same with the earned emotional pay offs. Ragnarok is just a mess.
The game is just underwhelming and disappointing. People were expecting epic clashes between Mythological GODS like Ashura's Wrath. Instead we got Tribal brawl, village invasion and two hours of Yak ride.
I’m with you on the plot being ridiculously overrated. Playing through the game. I couldn’t help but feel Santa Monica Studios really needed a third game to properly do their story justice. Especially since the “Ragnarok” which was hyped up to no end was just reduced to a 20 minute Marvel movie segment. God of War 3 did Ragnarök better than God of War: Ragnarok did.
@@Hunterese123 I disagree because Atreus who is the 2nd playable protagonist of the game was actively obsessed from start to finish. How to find Tyr, to go to war with Odin & Asgard. To get Freya back on their side. & How to screw over Odin when he was given residence in Odin’s Lodge.
@@chaosmark101treus does want ragnarok to happen in the beginning of the game, but later on changes his mind when he sees the prophecy of kratos dying. He only goes to work with Odin in order to prevent ragnarok as well. He does go into Asgard with intentions of betraying Odin, but after helping him he decides not to which heimdall points out at one point
@@isaacsanchez5367 you’re forgetting how excited and eager Atreus gets when he sees the vision of Ragnarok. If anything it’s Kratos the one that doesn’t want to cause it, Atreus before the game is sneaking around with Sindri to find Tyr which would ensure Ragnarok.
big fan of 2018 and other games man. all the things that were hyped in first game seemed lackluster in ragnarok. story was rushed. not gonna justify it.
One of my biggest issues is what was up with the Faye flashbacks? The first one ended in a way that seemed to heavily imply that Faye is talking to Kratos from beyond the grave, but that doesn't go anywhere. They just feel like filler. Come to think of it, everything to do with the Giants was just really bad. We're told over and over again that they're extinct but we keep meeting more and more of them as the game goes on.
That’s the literal point lmao. The giants are *thought* to be extinct but really are out there and scattered and that’s why Atreus leaves on his own journey, because he has to search far and wide for them. As for Faye, it’s pretty clear they’re memories Kratos is dreaming about. The last memory of her shows when she gave Kratos her wish for him and their son to take her ashes to the highest peak in all the realms once she passes.
I have to agree, I felt the story was rushed and lack luster, sure it was a great game, but so much potential wasted when literal GODS are fighting like compared to GoW3 how large scale the battles were. Especially in the first game fighting baldur on top of a giant, I had thought we would have fought along with giants in Ragnarok, like when GoW3 Kratos fought Zeus with Gaia. Nope, just grounded weapon clashing. They show so much potential with the beginning of the game, almost teasing bigger and better boss fights...nope no jormungandr pov fight or Kratos and Loki with Fenrir fighting Odin. I'm disappointed that Odin's powers were just wizard spells basically, I thought I would have seen him use much more magic or God powers like duplicating himself to confuse or attack by taking control of a dead giant's body (almost a play on when Freya did that when Kratos and Baldur fought trying to stop fate) or more clashing of both spears. Also...how come Thor gets 2 boss fights with Kratos (beginning and end) but the main big villain gets one boss fight (ending fight)? The boss designs felt lacking the "epic" feeling to me...
The story wasn’t lackluster though. Yes there were rushed bits but that’s understandable considering that they had to wrap up the whole story in the game.
The first fight with Thor is exactly what it should've been: A huge battle all over the mountainside between the two strongest gods, but then the second one is just Thor and Kratos punching each other in one spot for 30 minutes.
@@morbincentral3607 It definitely was lack luster. They did nothing with the whole “Loki” twist. Only part Atreus’ giant half played was opening shrines and some cutesy convo with Thor. Tyr the whole time was locked away after the hype built in the last game. Mimir didn’t see through Odin after spending eons with him, Freya nor Freyr. I understand that Odin is the great manipulator here, so sure I’ll give him that. Then you have Ragnarok itself, the TITLE! Lasted maybe 40 minutes? This whole game could’ve been so fucking good if they ended right when Kratos blew the horn. Then we could’ve forayed onto the actual Ragnarok in the new game, instead of getting 99 hours of fimbulwinter and 1 of Ragnarok. Then there’s no explanation of why Kratos survives the end of Ragnarok. When majority of the game since right before Garm fight you spend talking about his death. Why did he live? Cus he chose to save those people in Asgard? Because they kept saying that the giants prophecies always come true, so then why did they two contradicting ones with one kratos dying and the other of him being the savior? Only part that came true was the destruction of Asgard. For these reasons, the story was lack-luster. I’m not even going to talk about the action of the game. Another reason why it’s a solid 5.2/10 and not 9.8/10 like the last one.
@@BeastieRajWait, not that I was a huge fan of the action to begin with... But wouldn't you say it was better than God of War(2018)? I certainly felt like they improved the combat, even though they nerfed the Blades of Chaos.
So, the thing about Odin “not being portrayed as evil” kind of just means you totally fell for his good-guy façade. He uses manipulation tactics to make people *think* he’s fine, when really he’s doing shitty things. For example, with the dwarves; Mimir *specifically states* that Odin was planning on ATTACKING the dwarves as a first result to get them to do what he wanted, and he suggested tricking them instead. How is that NOT evil? Slavery or death? And with the mill, it was also stated he made the mill specifically to make the original mill go out of business, and then he *destroyed his own* to rob the dwarves of their soil. His intent from the beginning was malicious. It’s as they say, “even if he speaks the truth, his purpose is false.” He does good things for bad reasons, and I thought it’d be more obvious than that.
He is a bad guy and has done bad things but is he evil? The actions and what he says during the fight with Kratos and when Atreus breaks the mask, isn't that an example of him doing bad things for what he thought was a right cause? He thought the knowledge from the rift would solve all the problems they had, including Ragnarok. He says: "Unfold the secrets of life and death." He didn't even care that he wasn't the one getting that knowledge and that Atreus was instead, all he wanted was for that knowledge to be discovered, no matter by whom. The thing about him being someone who did bad thing for what he thought were gonna be good outcomes, basically he thinks the ends justify the means, is stated by something else he says at the end of the game: "What was it all for?" All the suffering and destruction made in order to make the mask whole, the whole long plan brought about by the prophecies with Loki, it was all for nothing since Atreus destroyed the mask. I think it is a very bad choice to trust everything that Odin says, but I also think it is equally as bad of a choice to distrust everything he says.
@@RealFastus all the atrocities he commited or orchestrated are definitely evil, killing your son is pretty evil. And by the end you hear the madness in his voice, and i think kratos was right about there not being shortcuts to knowledge without paying a price. And knowing all we know odin just had selfish reasons for looking in the rift, where he would go when he died. Probably not stopping wars and bringing people together like he told atreus
The problem I have is that the only things he does which can actually be considered bad are things we never get to see, and are just things being told by 1 side of a 2 sided conflict, who has an obvious axe to grind against the other side. Like if Guy A just states that Guy B is going to do Evil Act X, but the only proof we have is just that Guy A said it, even though he has been shown to be truthworthy, I still wouldnt go to war against Guy B simply because of the words of Guy A. Im going to need a whole lot more than that. Like if we ever got to hear Odins response to those accusations, then this wouldnt even be a debate to begin with, since then we could determine right then and there what the answer was, depending on how he responded. But considering how Mimir and the games Codex logs try to treat things that wouldnt even be considered evil in a modern context, I cant just blindly take anything Mimir says as Gospel without something more. Granted if you put a gun to my head and told me between Mimir and Odin which one probably has been telling the truth more often than the other, then sure Id go with Mimir since he has no reason to lie to us. But that alone would never be enough of a justification to start a war with the other side. And in regards to your Mill point. I dont care about what the intentions are of people. I care about their actions because actions speak louder than words. If Person A had the best intentions but the worst results (Results in this case meaning using force on somebody else) and Person B had the worst intentions but the best results (Results in this case meaning NOT using force on somebody else, aka peace) then I would choose Person B anytime of the week. The bottom line is that all Odin did in this example was start up a competing business, which the fellow Dwarves could still ignore if they wished to, but they voluntarily chose not to, so as a result Durins World Mill went out of business and fell apart. Thats not evil. Thats exactly what would happen in our own modern context. Odin then destroying his own World Mill is also not evil because its his property to begin with. Like I know my video and my reply to this comment probably makes it seem Im an Odin stan. Im not trying to say the guy is just completely misunderstood or something. He could very well be the most evil SOB in all God of War games for all I know. Its just everything we see of him, even in contexts where he doesnt need to put up a facade, are all at complete opposite ends of all the atrocities that are attached to him through off screen happenings. The Odin I was scared of and terrified of meeting based on all descriptions of him in God of War 2018, didnt seem to appear at all in God of War Ragnarok. I really, truly am not trying to say Odin is a good dude. Im sure Word of God would back up all evil shit hes done. Its just if I take Odin strictly from on screen showings of God of War Ragnarok. Then hes just the leader of Asgard who offered a peace deal to Kratos, who was then rejected, essentially having war declared on him, thereby justifying any negative thing he did to Kratos and company in self defense essentially. I wanted to see the evil Odin, but all I got was a guy didnt live up to the hype
@@rensb9214 I don't think you and I have the same definition of evil. He killed his son, yes, but he said he didn't want it, it's a bad thing but it's not like he got some kind of pleasure from it, I wouldn't call it evil. As for the Kratos and knowledge thing, we simply don't know, there is no reason to think Odin would have done anything bad after accomplishing his goals. Logically speaking, if everything bad he has ever done was in the service of getting the rift knowledge, then after getting it, he should have no reason to do anything else that's bad. He clearly cares more about that knowledge being discovered no matter by whom than just wanting to get his hands on it personally, that is why at the end he says to Atreus that he's the one destined to peer into the rift, and Atreus could have either not told him anything or even just killed Odin after, this is a game after all, and knowledge even above that of the gods would grant you power. Also, Odin wants to know what is after death, sure, but I doubt that the rift only holds that information. Plus, if every god knew for a fact what happened to them after they die, I imagine the way they conduct themselves would change. Odin is a complex character, that is why he is interesting, yet the people who praise his seem to ignore this, strangely, and simply categorize his as evil, nothing more.
Finally someone speaks the truth! I felt all these same story problems when I played through the game and nobody on youtube talks about them! Easily the worst crafted and most underwhelming story in the entire GOW franchise
Would have been more interesting if Tyr actually was Tyr and was just on Odin's side or had his own agenda or something. I was not a fan of the Tyr/Odin twist.
I agree with a lot of what you’re saying but I feel the need to mention that Freya actually does give a reason for why she didn’t want to teach Odin the immortality spell, she saw how her kind hearted son went completely insane after she used it on him and didn’t wanna see Odin become like that.
I completely missed that and feel like an idiot after watching a youtube video that talked about exactly what you just said. Definitely my fault there no two ways about it. No excuse on my part. Thanks for keeping me honest If I can still attempt to shamelessly defend myself, I do think there is a difference between having it forced upon themself like Baldur was, as opposed to Odin willingly wanting to learn it. But thats just kinda a cop out on my part to a degree. Thanks again Edit: Making this edit on 1/16/23, about a month later from initial comment. Actually, on thinking about this some more based from another commenter here "Hectic 117", I think I may take back my initial concession here. Because assuming that was Freya's reason, of not wanting Odin to become insane, then I have to question why didnt she just remove that from Baldur then? If she valued someones sanity more than she valued everlasting life, why didnt she remove it from Baldur? If she valued everlasting life more than sanity, why didnt she teach it to Odin? No matter which she valued more, her actions betray both lines of thinking
@@superlucci you’re such a nice UA-camr. But I’ve been asking myself why every God hasn’t hunted her down and become immortal from her. I believe that her son went insane because it was forced upon him and the mental turmoil just got to him.( not being able to feel,taste, or smell would drive anyone Insane) But I feel like if you know what is happening and are willing to except those conditions going insane wouldn’t happen. Plus I believe Oden would have been able to figure a work around. And at the very least his character would have forced it on his solders. I Believe the best solution that fits in universe is that the spell is super hard and complicated and she simply doesn’t have the resources to replicate it.
@@superlucci It was to protect her son from his needless death, so she could not let go; But with Odin, It would make him insane and ruin him, also there was no prophecy about Odin dying. So if she did with her son he would die and if she put it on Odin, he would go insane and hate Freya.
This game was the antithesis of The Last of Us Part 2. While that game was a bit too risky and unconventional with its approach, GOW Ragnarok takes literally zero risks and destroys the interesting setup they had in the first game. Like remember Freya threatens to kill Kratos for killing her son? Naw fam it's fine they're buddies again after spending like 30-40 min together. Atreus is Loki? We will literally do nothing interesting with it other than making some characters call him that. Kratos is fated to die? No prob he will change fate for some unclear reason and only the minor comic relief character will perish.
So you're saying you want Kratos to die? Yeah that'll go over well with the community and not be divisive at all in the slightest and everyone will love and understand that creative decision lmaoo
@@anthonygarcia8749 if you're gonna foreshadow the main character's death then have the balls to kill him off or at least subvert expectations in an interesting way, not just be like "oh yeah well I guess it didn't happen" by the end of the story
the game was trash based on the expectation we had on gow 2018 it didnt deliver half of what was promised and the part that was delivered anti clamatic
Comparing god of war fights between games, i feel like the fights in GoW ragnarok feel the most underwhelming. Kratos and Thor's final duel literally happened in a small circle, and the only major destruction it caused is a hole in the roof.
The Tyr reveal was so promising, really made me think "oh wow, this odin guy is seriously clever, he played everyone, I can't wait to see what other deceptions he has planned". Hell, when Kratos and Artreus start preparing their army for ragnarok, they even point out how "this seems too easy", which really seemed like the game was building up another plot twist where Odin was manipulating the gang into doing exactly what he needed them to do which would lead to Kratos getting killed and asgard surviving Ragnarok. But no, apparently Odin really didn't have any backup plan in case crosdressing as a giant didn't work. The gang somehow unites 8 realms within like a day, and Odin has no strategy aside from throwing Thor and a couple einherjar at the army attacking asgard. And of course Kratos survives and gets a perfect good guy marvel movie ending because "blah blah, generic we make our own fate dialogue", basically nobody of importance from the good guy side dies aside from Brok, and Odin genuinely turns out to be just an idiot who didn't have any kind of plan and gets beat in an incredibly underwhelming bossfight. Seriously, Zeus could take on all these wimpy Norse gods at the same time and would still win.
I actually thought ATREUS was going to die instead of Kratos. I like the "I defy fate" characterization Kratos was given. I thought Atreus was going to die and Kratos became Ragnarok itself and destroyed everything, again, proving what Athena said in 2018 right. One fate that Kratos can never escape from is that he is and always will be a monster. But nah, Kratos lived, Atreus lived, Kratos became a good peaceful nice guy HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm sorry, I can never say that without laughing for a good minute. I wanted to see more Athena and even Blade of Olympus. Its reveal would've been as epic, if not more epic, than the Blades of Chaos reveal in 2018.
I loved the Asgard intro with Heimdal from him grabbing Atreus hand and dangling off the cliff to being a complete dick reminiscent of the OG GOW gods . He was great the speech on the way down to Asgard he was 100% right about as well
The mask should of been dropped as a plot point and should of been Athena instead. Athena should of gone to Odin after the events in 2018. To give insight into Kratos and the other pantheons around. Later in Ragnarok Odin would show Athena to Atreus where the full extent of Kratos’ history is told to Atreus. Further pushing that prophecy to reality and causes discourse within him. Athena true motives are she doesn’t want another God ascending to her level of existence. So she is trying to ensure another Pantheon dies to limit that. She would dress it up as just a hatred for Kratos. When really her pawn is Kratos and her plan is just to use him for the monster he is to kill more and more gods. Cory wanted that originally for Athena to represent the idea of her becoming monotheistic faith. This could of been an easier lead up to God of War 6. Where Athena has abandoned the Norse pantheon after losing to Kratos once again. So she’s flees and seeks the help of other Pantheons, warning them of the power of Kratos and now the nine realms.
This would have been much better, I hate that they didn’t explore that, be it Athena or Odin, someone should have told Atreus what a monster Kratos really was, that he killed his previous family with his own hands. Try in some way, in a moment of anger between Kratos and Atreus to bring them apart and make Kratos have to come clean to his son about the sins of his past. That never got explored, we never really feel that Atreus might go to Odin and betray his father, it never felt the profecy could ever become true.
God of War 6? Kratos is a sad dad now. The only Gore kills are the wolvers. The story is woke garbage. There will be no God of War 6. God of War is dead.
It makes no sense for this to be a main plot point in the game, the whole point of finishing of Norse is to give the weight of the villain role to the the most hyped villains Thor and Odin, from all the horrible deeds they committed. And the story does a masterful job of slowly separating the two to see who is willing to change and who isn't. The entire schtick about prophecy and the giants wouldn't make any sense. Having Athena as a main line villain, over Odin is actually the dumbest thing I've heard. I think you should just admit the masterful character synergy and Interactions weren't valuable to you and you wanted to see a plot that rivalled gow3 in scale, and built a huge hype train where kratos revealed his true self again and killed the pantheon mercilessly. Sure the scale was toned down for the ending and final surtr could've be better utilised, but the development and intentions of characters has been excellently crafted into a long windy voyage that ultimately ended into a new kratos, and a new motivation for Atreus. The most impactful ending (apart from a well crafted death or something).
I wonder what was the writing team's original story idea for ragnarok. Because a lot of stuff that were hyped up from gow 2018 seems to be changed in some way in ragnarok. Odin, mad evil god.... Just trying to find mask. Seems bad but the game doesn't SHOW him as evil as mimir said. Thor, big bad news of a god... Almost killed his own son for losing another son. In ragnarok, pretty calm and reasonable. Atreus killed Modi. Kratos warned that it will have consequences. The next game his little sister just immediately buddy2 with atreus. I was waiting for the moment thrud found out about atreus stabbing modi to death but it's never mentioned again. There's gotta be another plan for these characters in the beggining that was thrown out. Is it a better plot plan than what they presented in ragnarok? We may never know.
Do you think there is something wrong with people who were not disappointed? Why dont they see what you said there? I think they have no imagination, are too dumb, have no balls. These people want ironwood chronicles
I agree about the Thrud part but for Odin, he's still a mad evil god. Getting access to the mask is literally him wanting to be superior to others & he's shown to be a huge ahole to his own family. He's just very manipulative like a cult leader. As for Thor, in the first fight w/ Kratos it's literally acknowledged that's it very much Thor's fault for his sons' death & him drinking due to it.
@@shawklan27 Ragnarok does subvert expectations in some parts but it's not bad. Ppl think it's bad trope cuz of stuff like The Last Jedi but it can be done well.
I do agree that the Tyr disguise could have been better handled. But when u play the second time and u know Tyr is Odin u see the cracks calling Freya Frigg and the way he acts in Groa’s shrine. Even when he is the dwarf on the bridge in svartlhiem he spits at Kratos and Atreus because he can’t help himself. He is a master manipulator not a master of disguise. He is also betrayed as kind of a hothead like all of his sons. So I like to think it’s his character, his anger just boils over and he kills brok because he won’t stop pestering him.
It’s why I hate his character for someone supposed to thousands of years out and so terrified of Ragnarok. He basically does nothing to ensure victory and actively fucks it up for himself. It’s just pure luck that Mimir doesn’t see through the disguise straight away considering how un tyr he is, how Mimir interacted with Odin everyday for years and years, knows what Tyr’s opinion and thoughts are on things and how he is supposed to be the smartest man alive.
@@KometheusOdin couldn’t kill Atreus or else 1 all of the gods would be slaughtered within hours at best. 2 because he needed Atreus to find all the mask pieces so he could get infinite knowledge
Yes. Exactly how I feel. Ragnarok disrespects the set up/buildup of its predecessor and makes it feel like a waste. It simply doesn't deliver on the promises of the last game.
@@yokotubene What were you expecting, like besides who blew the horn, what was ignored in 2018? Sounds like you had wish fullfillment and mad it didn't happen how you though
@@Hunterese123 -Thor was not the bloodthirsty killer we were promised. -Ragnarok itself was not the intense war in which the stakes should have been high. -The snake's poison being imbued in Kratos' axe had no major significance. -Kratos never uses Spartan Rage on any of the gods like in the last game. -Surtr and many of the new characters were underdeveloped and therefore, forgettable. -Freya considered to forgive Kratos too abrubtly. -We don't get to use Mijonir despite being hyped up in the last game and even included in the Collector's and Jotnar editions (I've heard the excuses from the developer and I don't buy it). -We barely fought any gods (Vidar at least should have been another Major god as he was a very important figure in mythology). -Fenrir turned out to be a useless random wolf. -Kratos should have been the only playable character (Atreus in my opinion sucks because playing as him ruined the immersion and pacing of the game). I might be missing more issues. But my point is that the game was simply a rushed mess in terms of story/writing and characters and it is the worst 'God of War" game in my opinion.
The game explains how there is no prophecy, it's simply that everyone's actions are so predictable that their paths can easily be mapped out. So from that alone I concluded that the message was about change rather than adhering to prophecy. But that's my only point so far
That's how the Norns deal with prophecy, the giants actually see the future. Since all the prophecy we're dealing with in the game come from the giants I don't really see what the point of the Norns is, except for a way for the writers to disregard what they established in the last game.
Well Brok dying, the funeral etc was sad. As a player, I had more of a connection to Brok then a lot of the characters. Did you care when Freya sacrificed himself? No, because the writing WAS good when it came to Brok
the story is the worst in a gow, we are almost 10 hours in the entire game from point a-b, kratos developed it in the background and making an anti-character of him, epic moments almost 0 removing thor's fight against kratos, no fight the boss surpasses that of baldur and not even the plot they wanted to tell in (gow2018), ragnarok is a good game but since god of war is already falling very short and in a bad way, kratos in 2018 was better carried narratively and in gameplay we felt like He just wanted to survive and defend himself from the world so that in this game he was replaced by atreus telling us about the "jotnar champion" throughout the trip and a prophecy that never comes true.
This game has finally convinced me to no longer play western developed AAA games. I'm just done with it until they stop developing games that are bad movies with mediocre gameplay catered to the lowest common denominator of gamers (if you even call casuals gamers)
Things felt off about this game even though I enjoyed playing... It's like they wrote an "everything works out in the end" type of thing here I feel like the event of ragnorok was an afterthought it shoulda been devastating. Things went too well I can't put my finger on it tho
The writing in this game was fantastic like the tyr twist and how going back in a second play through you can totally tell it’s Odin. Also not everything worked out because Brok dies and Sindri doesn’t have a good end. The reason ragnorok worked out is because they defied fate with the decisions they made and the game does explore those themes. The game definitely could’ve benefited from have more game to finish the story but this game was incredible.
@@morbincentral3607 i think that's the problem. How did they just change fate? They changed their actions? First off that was said by the norns who are not the giants. The norns didn't have any kind of premonition they were simply really good predictors. Kratos simply changing shouldn't have mattered with the giants prophecy. They didn't really do much to change their own prophecy. It just felt like it didn't happen just so kratos wouldn't have to die. Also they literally followed their own prophecy the entire game which just so happened to change at the very end. Also for some reason at the end prophecy ends up being right anyways? It really feels like they just made ragnorok work and made prophecy wrong in this one instance just so they wouldn't have to kill kratos off. I mean throughout the whole game were shown how trustworthy prophecy is just for it to be wrong when it really matters. And the game doesn't give any good explanation tbh.
@@madfrog7913well it changed when Odin killed Thor, I’m sure that was a big deal. That had alot to do with the prophecies. So the Norms didn’t predict that but they also didn’t predict Thor standing up to Odin. So yea, there were some things that changed. EVEN Kratos letting Thor live..
@@Ishbikes my question is why? How exactly did they defy fate? How does simply changing your actions defy fate? Why couldn't the giants have predicted thors death when everything else was correct?
Think about this one too.. if Odin was tyr the whole time, did no one notice tyr was just missing from sindris crib whenever Atreus went to Asgard ? Lol unless he can literally be in 2 places at once i dont know how that works honesrly
there is a throwaway line about fake Tyr sleeping in the broom closet said by Atreus to I think Freya, so you could say that he was napping during that time while im not a fan of it, it could explain how they didnt notice
No one notices because “Tyr” prefers solitude due to that being his norm for years. No one really questions it and doesn’t bother disturbing him when he “rests” in Sindri’s broom closet. Also, Odin does indeed pop back into Sindri’s home several times while Atreus is in Asgard. There are even instances where Odin just straight up teleports (supposedly) out of Asgard. It’s not like Atreus is glued to Odin’s hip the entire time. Most of the interactions are pretty brief so he has plenty of time to go between both places without being questioned.
@@kingkocoa4467 ok yeah that’s true that makes sense, I can buy that .. I still think the twist was DOA, like what did it accomplish ar all for Odin? Nothing.. so what was the point of it? It was just a twist to have a twist, it had no effect on anything before or after that point in the game.. so I still think it was a cheap, weak twist
Mike Mode It was a twist for the sake of a twist (the fake Tyr plot was literally confirmed to be added late stage in development by the director, Eric). It only really serves as a reason to get Atreus to (somewhat) fulfill the prophecy of “Loki” serving Odin due to “Tyr” instigating the arguments between Kratos and Atreus as well as a reason to kill Brok (who was apparently planned to be killed in the sequel ever since 2018).
@@kingkocoa4467 well, why would they feel the need to fulfill the “Loki serves Odin” prophecy when they clearly felt it unnecessary to fulfill literally any other part of the prophecy we were told since 2018 lol
So theorie about mask: Loki misunderstood some rune on mask, thats why he was in the wrong realm at all. Mask lead him to Garm maybe because its magic ability teleports have same colour as mask and rift, so it could be same type of magic energy. It was the only time mask lead him wrong because it could have been simply detecting strongest source of this type magic in the realm (so usually mask fragment) ,but in this realm there was no mask fragment, so it detected Garm, because it was the strongest source of that green magic. Maybe it makes sense idk.
Is there a reason why Odin doesn't transport 10 000 einherjar into Sindri and Brock's treehouse via his raven in the broom closet? I mean, Kratos, Atreus and Freya do sleep obviously. What stops Odin from cutting Kratos' throat in the middle of the sleep? They had problem handling a dozen of Hel's zombies when those rifts happened, I don't think it would be a long fight if all of Odin's army marched out of that closet while when Kratos was dreaming about the hot redhead.
Well Odin needs kratos alive because Atreus would never help him is kratos was killed. Odins main goal is to get knowledge and answers. Odin knew Atreus might be able to help him find those. That’s also another reason he was disguised at Tyr, so he could manipulate Atreus to coming to Asgard by creating conflict between Atreus and Kratos. There are so many things people don’t understand about t the game and why those things happened. Pay attention
Freya didn’t want to avoid Ragnarok. When Brok died and Kratos meant to leave, Freya kept Gjllahorn and meant to use it. Kratos wanted to avoid Ragnarok, but it was inevitable, so he decided to took a part in it instead of running away. He told Freya he wouldn’t steal from her the choice between life and death again. So it was in character for him to leave Gjllahorn with her
@@Hunterese123 You are defending mediocre and rushed writing all over the comment section. The only primordial we meet in this game is Surtr and one of his lines I kid you not is “I grow big and I smash stuff.” Odin The Allfather the literal king of the Norse pantheon refers to Freya as “My Ex” Angrboda as she saves the gang after that pathetic excuse of a ragnarok refers to her magic as “Giant stuff” Thor Odinson legit says “TF YOU SAY?!” “Oh we gotta model father here” 🤨 Like all of these are 21st century colloquials taking place in ancient Scandinavia and it breaks a lot of immersion. Imagine they go to the Japanese pantheon and they don’t sound like they’re from Japan lmaoo. If this is life changing story or the genre defining story these fans claims it is gaming truly has reached an all time low. I guess you just aren’t allowed to have issues with this game and it’s story I guess. Can’t call it ragnarok when the only two fights in it are dark souls rip offs with qte’s you can’t even fail excluding how quick the “ragnarok” was with rarely any Aesir gods in Asgard. One of the most iconic apocalyptic events in all of mythology/fiction wasn’t done any form of justice and yes I’m aware of video game limitations. Odin killing Thor was ridiculous and didn’t come off as the parallel to Kratos & Atreus as they thought it would. 2018’s portrayal of these two “Aesir conquerors throughout the 9 realms” on literal boat rides felt more intimidating and more like a threat than what we received. What supports my point on this is that nobody praises them as video game bosses/antagonists (which both Odin & Thor are incompetent as) they praise them as “characters”. A lot of stuff from 2018 wasn’t even present in this game which makes me believe the original idea for the story got scrapped. The whole ending was a mess from start to finish man. I’ve read every GOW comic, novel and have played every game even the mobile game years ago to say I’m a fan of the franchise is a bit of a lowball. This game & story is festered with issues. It tries to do too much all in this one game and it falls flat on its face. A difference in directorial presence and narration should never scream this loud in a piece of media. Three months before release even devs on the team said the game was mid, even one of the devs on her YT channel said the story was trash. The giants prophecy & the Norns both said Kratos would die obviously I knew he wouldn’t but to “be better” you would think something grandiose would happen to defy fate but nothing happens and no catharsis is felt. When we are having emotional bate moments within an apocalyptic war the tension feels non existent and nobody important died. Brok isn’t important man imma just be honest this is further supported due to the fact on how fast someone replaces him(Lunda) and there is legit no dire consequences for his death. I play these new GOW games for the story because the gameplay is subpar at best and filled with homogenized AAA trends so when it fails at its one job it gives the most importance I don’t know why your shocked to see people call it out. As a passionate GOW fan if we aren’t going to kill gods for the sake of “being better” pack the franchise up Kratos’ kill count is legit a 15 digit number and that’s solely for Greece now they want to tread a line like he’s this wise old man now. Instead of taking inspiration from the last of us words from word of god Cory Barlog himself maybe take inspiration from Vinland Saga,Vagabond,Berserk if you want to actually attempt at diving into Kratos’ psyche after the events of GOW III. Whoever green lit Sindri killing Odin needs to be fired with all due respect it’s not good writing at all😭🤦🏾♂️ Easily the second worst game in the franchise if not the worst at least Ascension was a better game and didn’t have walk and talk segments that bloat the gameplay for more than 15mins. An atreus spin off seems like an option Santa Monica might take and if they do this franchise has not only lost its identity but they have their heads up their a** if they think it will sell good with him as a main lead. His segments in this game were beyond atrocious and they screwed the pacing up. Gow is one of my favorite series of all time but it’s not free from criticism at all and I am genuinely worried for the future of this franchise. These new GOW games are for the mass appeal that like nice graphics and not for GOW fans.
@@TheRogueGuy Jesus man, no one got time to read your college thesis, so are you an expert on Scandanavians and how they talk or just go off movies? It's not that serious, lol. Please link me to this dev saying the story was trash cuz that sounds like complete lies cuz everyone would of been making videos on it and you sound like someone who misses the old style GOW games, you had a bunch of them, play those if these new ones are that inferior to you
@@Hunterese123 College thesis…. You never went to college then I fear. You look 30+, what type of argument is this? Movies? Sounds like you are on copium because none of your points are refuting any of my arguments because you know I’m right. Dialogue is everything in a AAA cinematic experience, so when it’s awful and doesn’t even match the setting and tone ppl are gonna call it out. Basic 101 for writing any fictional story and the writers failed don’t get mad at me get mad at the 6 new writers on the narrative team that wrote the story. “Expert” lol anyone with basic literary analysis skills is saying this game is terrible. Unfortunately I can’t remember her channel name because I didn’t give the video a like well technically live stream because she reacted to it winning best narrative of the year and gave her thoughts on it + she deleted all her live streams now (Vixit or something like that is her channel name). Nah they have positives to them specifically 2018 it’s just this game in particular was objectively terrible and the fandom is speaking on it even popular GOW UA-camrs like Kaptain Kuba & Jon Ford said the game was extremely disappointing.
Just needed to watch 2 minutes of the video to understand you didnt get Odins character,he went to the house to ask Atreus to join him because he needs him to translate whats in the mask for him.
The point of the mask in itself is stupid. not to mention that odin who is known as the god of wisdom (ultimate manipulator) is so dumb. why would he kill brok if only Atreus can wear the mask? he would obviously lose his trust. and just think about the points the UA-camr listed. You'll see that the story is incredibly trash.
@@TheMETALICA40 so you say Odin needed help from Atreus. and then I say he literally did the opposite of that by killing brok making him lose Atreus's trust. and then you say the story went over my head? maybe you are just too deluded to understand that the story is trash XD
@@moezabugrin3525 If you actually played the game you would know Odin killed Brok because Brok was onto him, he figured it out Tyr was not Tyr it was Odin that alone would have made Atreus not trust him anymore...besides Odin had every reason to kill Brok 1st he crafted a weapon to kill Heimdall and used a ring they stole from him to craft it and 2 he was pissed Brok found out he was false. The game won best narrative for a reason instead of letting guys like this(haters)brainwash you make your own conclusions.
The best parts of the story were pretty much everything Cory listed that needed to happen and even then ragnorok wasn’t that interesting. I did love this game but yea Odin looked like an absolute fool
I have a plethora of reasons of why this story is bad. But the one thing I can’t get past…is that there was an entire war needed…and death to normal civilians happened all because of Kratos was a terrible “general”. He knew the entire time that Fenrir could portal jump out of literally anywhere. And in the end it just happens and they explain it as “giant stuff”. Oh and I spend more time picking fruit than fighting Odin and Thor. This game was the letdown of the century.
Excellent video. You hit the nail on the head. The most disappointing to me was Odin. He just was not as compelling as I had hoped ... To me I felt like the developers were flip-flopping between painting him as an evil manipulator (and failing) and as a deranged man who went crazy obsessing over the mask and the rift. It just was not clear what his purpose was, and I never felt like he was the All-Father we have been hearing about since 2018. It does make sense though when I learned that Santa Monica changed the writers. They had the ingredients for a masterpiece but they mixed it all wrong and burnt some parts. It's sadly still better than most of the half-baked, story-driven games we get nowadays, so the standard is quite low overall.
I forgot to mention heimdall can't see the future, he can only see what someone is about to do by looking into their eyes, that's why he can't read the spear the same way he reads people
Odin wanted Freya to cast the same spell she casted on Baldur but she DID say that after seeing what it did to her son she refused. When she refused he “tore the room apart”. It was only after that he became cold and started treating her bad. So there is ur reason.
It still doesn't make sense lmao. Appreantly just a lil mistletoe could cure the spell so she had no reason to deny unless she didn't trust him in which case, we know that isn't the cause. Just a weird plot hole
Very dull and non-engaging, and I almost exclusively play story-driven games. It reminded me of Assassin's Creed Valhalla's story with even worse writing. I LOVED the two Plague Tale games, despite being very slow-paced...definitely my favorite games in the past 5 years. This would definitely have gone back to the store, if this wasn't the digital copy that came with my PS5.
The overall problem I have with this game is that it treats itself like a triple A blockbuster movie with annoying mcu banter between the characters. Or it’ll take scenes and affects from mcu like when Sindhi snatches the marble from Atreus. Also the cutscenes in this game are actually to frequent, I feel like there is almost more cinematically than gameplay while the 2018 game is mostly cutscene heavy in the very beginning. Furthermore the game throws all of these different plots like the mask and angroboda’s collection of prophecies, but they all turn out to be useless and are incorporated into the story to keep players busy. The whole time the prophecies are treated as something inevitable and that kratos was going to die, I remember angroboda assuring Atreus that the prophecy WOULD come true, and it all turned out to be a bunch of bs.
in the beginning odin and thor scene, odins plan was to get close to atreus more than anything that's why thor wasn't planning on killing kratos only keeping him busy so odin had a plan no matter what kratos responded with and kratos had no real reason to accept that offer knowing odin would never own up to it especially when all mimir talked about last game was how terrible odin was and was the reason magni modi and baldur were after them in the first place (obviously in baldurs case, he was really searching for faye, but it was really so odin could weed out all the giants for good so its still a reason to distrust him)
It wasn’t just about “keeping him busy,” Thor still wanted to make sure his sons died an honorable death. That’s why he kept saying “let me see the god killer, monster inside etc Yea he was on a leash somewhat but he needed questions answered for himself as well
Such a idiot take on everything. Once you said the game is boring too long and then said the game is rushed. The game is rushed i would say for some stories which could have been elaborated would just agree on that. Otherwise all the takes that why this character didnt do this because it could have prevented this. Is such a foolish take on some story. Every character has his own characterstic, flaws, motivation.
Kratos: we don’t follow prophecy, we choose our own path Also Kratos: everything I did was already foretold and written, but that’s a good thing now ???
It's funny because Fay already laid the prophecy for them in 2018, so Kratos's whole "Don't believe in prophecy" speil is just meaningless because they only succeeded in 2018 because the giants already laid their prophecy to success.
@@YEY0806 yeah exactly. I was willing to accept that since it was the first game, and it set the chilling setup of “this was all foretold and it happened, and look, we see Kratos die in this mural, so that means there’s a big chance it’ll happen.” That made me hype to see how he would avoid death and defy prophecy in the next game. Instead, he avoided death because he was never supposed to die. That was Odin in the mural, not him. So it doesn’t matter. He’s an agent of fate and prophecy, not the opposite. They basically took away what made Kratos interesting and defined him in the original games.
Heimdalls foresight ability has limits, he could either focus on kratos and his spear throws but then he'd have to ignore the thrown spears that explode also he isn't looking at the spears when they explode when u throw them on the ground
If they tried to go Odin as master manipulator road, they should have taken lessons from Legacy of Kain -series. Story and it's characters are always as clever as their writers. Imo game was good experience for one playthrough. But after thinking how it all went down... I wasn't satisfied. It felt too marvel-like for me. Now it gathers dust on my shelf. Never playing again. Good ending for Kratos, I guess... yay! Could be worse. (tlou2)
I didn't like TLoU2 much (bc I didn't really care about Abby) At least tlou2 dark tone made sense imagine if it like Ragnarök Disney marvel unserious ass tone, also at least Tlou2 was very memorable and got u thinking about it for days and Ragnarök u forget it the next day lol
@@simpleclout5546 I watched the leaks of tlou2 before the game came out and I'm glad that I did. It was a shit-show with it's execution of story. Saved me 70 e. It was a total step-down from tlou1. Tlou1 is still good and didn't need sequel in my opinion.
gow 2018 is still the best for me because the story, pacing, runic attacks are more satisfying. but gowragnarok has the best combat, good graphics and environment
He says in Ragnarök that he thinks it's pointless and a dead end, you wouldn't bring something up that you thought was completely pointless and a dead end, he didn't actually make much progress through his life until atreus came with his god powers of language
gow 2018 showed how to make a perfect game and ragnarok completely ruins it, the casuals don't understand that it's boring to see a story that leaves kratos in the background and they take away everything that was his character with his artificial suffering with atreus, it seemed to me more genuine like when he fixes his quiver with the mistletoe or when he simply gives him wine to drink instead of making a story where 10 hrs are pathetic problems of kratos and atreus that are really uninteresting to watch because it is abused almost to the point of want to close the game, just like the argument that odin was the most evil and everyone has to unite .. so they closed freya's arc with revenge? Pathetic, I would have preferred a story where Freya allies with Odin to try to kill Kratos, it would have been much more interesting and more because he would have to take care of Atreus, and he already missed predicting the story because it is so diverse and his objective is not Clear.
Thank you for this video. It drives me up a fucking wall how problematic the story is and yet it's somehow brushed aside from the scoring, as though these new games were not like 45% story-driven titles. Like, if gameplay was this fucked up everybody would be bitching about how much it sucks.
Odin NEEDED to be alone with Kratos..Atreus can easily be persuaded and Kratos cannot. Atreus can’t be easily persuaded with his father sitting right next to him.
As much as I still love the gameplay of Ragnarok I could not agree more. Cory Barlog's absence is felt very heavily in Ragnarok. Personally for me any game Cory did has been amazing. GOW II, Ghost of Sparta and 2018. All masterpieces in my eyes. Hell even 3 felt lackluster because he wasn't the one writing it or directing it.
I mean, even the whole Krato's wouldn't be able to handle the norse Gods thing, which also makes no sense. The dude gets absolutely smashed by basic grunt enemies even after revealing to his son that Kratos is a god. By this point, Kratos should be an extremely powerful god. He's caused the end of his world, clawed his way out of hades, and even taken down Thanatos, god of death. His power should have grown considerably over the few hundred if not thousand years passed seeing the norse Pantheon come to being. But none of that is ever brought up. It made sence in the 2018 game when he was hiding his godhood, but now that he's fully fledged and even has his chaos blades he should be practically unstoppable, capable of growing to titan sizes, killing grunt enemies in a single hit or taking down the gods of this realm with a certain ease with his indepth knowledge of killing them. Yet no, we have to play a stupid damn number game that serves to make the game an extremely boring slogfest whilst watching cutscene after cutscene of uninspired drivel and pretty visuals. Never have I thought a game could be akin to shitty modern movies, and yet here it is. To go on another thing, maturity doesn't mean the character changes completely. Kratos is a father, but you're telling me the god of war, someone who went through so much pain and anguish and hurt all because of gods and even titans, would just accept the Æsir? Mf would be paranoid. He would either want no part of them or he'd treat all the beings who see themselves as all powerful as enemies to the only thing that he cares about. He's lost a daughter and his wife once already...hell twice, and he's practically had nothing until meeting a giant and having a kid. People don't just become fixed with time... that is always bullshit. Time does not heal wounds, especially if left to fester, which is literally what Kratos has seemingly done, without any support. Meaning there would be no maturity that takes place, there would be no greater change, he'd still be the same angry, spiteful war god. Bet they've even forgotten that he still carries the ashes of his dead child and wife on his skin. He's not white because he's cold. Hell, he's a spartan, which would make him bronze, brown or even black. There's a reason why they called him the ghost of sparta. To add to the war god thing, he's supposed to be a god... which is literally an entity that is the embodyment of something. Where's all the humans who he enboldens with the promise of war? More like god of gruff conversation, bar brawls and finding meaningless trinkets. Who the fuck plays "God of War" to have family time, pet cute creatures, search every nook for a stupid lore tidbit, or traverse beautiful untainted landscapes? Where's the war? The bloodshed? The shades of black? The hatred? For a force of nature, he sure feels like a mushy human.
There are a lot of fundamental flaws in this game but I feel that’s due to cramming it all into one game. It should have been a trilogy having gow 2018, gow fimblewinter, gow ragnarok. The second game sets up the prophecy of ragnarok alot more can tease some fights that will happen on ragnarok and feature Freya as the main villain. fimblewinter (second game in trilogy) ends maybe with hiemdal fight and leaving behind the horn or a fight between Freya and kratos where thor shows up and they need to fight ‘the greater evil’ and tag team thor
This dude thinks Odin nice guy, he fell for it. Developers must be doing pretty good, when they catch you irl thinking Odin is a good guy, when he is obviously portrayed as a bad person and master manipulator. Mimir is literally a head, Freya whole life destroyed, dwarves enslaves, doesn't care about you unless your useful.
I think the best way to explain why Kratos said no, is a combination of both the fact that he immediately distrust Odin, and Mimir, who acts as Kratos' counsel urges him not to take the deal. Not saying it wasn't a stupid decision, but a character doesn't have to make a smart decision if it's still in character, and the combined hatred for gods plus Mimir's advice might have made that an in character decision
14:40 the whole game is Atreus being annoying, Kratos and Mimir telling him to not put tons of stock into prophecy, then Atreus ignoring them and going all in on said prophecy, then Kratos and Mimir just saying yes and going along with Atreus and his moronic blabberings.
I feel like we understood the "prophecy" side of things differently, as I played through the game I saw Kratos trying to defy prophecy many times, such as him wanting to desperately avoid a war and doing his best to not kill Heimdall, but ultimately both these things are done because he has no choice the prophecy still lined up. So I dont think that prophecy is just "ignored" when convenient but rather the ultimate reveal at the end of their prophecies endings being rewritten/ destroyed simply allows them to continue their story via their own free will.
Also about the dwarves, they didn’t have a choice in the matter not really. Mimir explained it as a choice between working and death, implying that Odin simply would have killed the dwarves if they didn’t work for him. On top of this the dwarves did yes set up the rigs but mimir created the idea and then effectively made them do it for more recourses quicker
Can’t defend that mask shit though, never thought about it but yeah it really makes no sense that it pointed toward garm :/ no real explanation given in game too
Heimdall’s ability is kinda vague. He doesn’t look into the future but rather he looks at peoples intentions. So I believe he simply couldn’t tell it would explode from kratos smackin the ground :/ Def doesn’t make sense that heimdall keeps the horn with him but also I thought he wasn’t going to fight kratos but rather Atreus and only fought kratos because he was there(but I’m unsure on this)
Heimdall’s ability is kinda vague. He doesn’t look into the future but rather he looks at peoples intentions. So I believe he simply couldn’t tell it would explode from kratos smackin the ground :/ Def doesn’t make sense that heimdall keeps the horn with him but also I thought he wasn’t going to fight kratos but rather Atreus and only fought kratos because he was there(but I’m unsure on this)
Facts love the gow series but this was way too hyped to now actually feel like the end of the world never really felt like the world was ending and the story was shaky bosss fights underwhelming
Of course it’s bad once I heard this was the last game in Norse mythology and you still have so many characters to flush out but instead you squeeze them in one game that’s when I knew this game’s story was gonna be hilarious. Waiting all this time for the battle with Thor at the door they made him a walking simulator throwing Mjolnir at walls instead of Kratos. 🤣 You can’t get any worse than that in my opinion. I’m a mythology buff and I was completely disappointed in this games story and don’t even get me started on Helheim. 👀👀👀
Fenrir actually does two things in Ragnarok. Kills a dragon, and saves everyone from ragnarok with realm tears. Hm I wonder WHY Atreus would want his dog back. HM IDK MAYBE HE CARES FOR HIM?????? Video bait btw. I can explain the whole story to you but I can't understand it for you.
It’s not like Odins disguise as tyr was that easy to see through. Also you have to consider that mimir was with kratos for most of the game before the reveal. Lastly tyr and mimir were friends so the last thing he would do is think of tyr as a traitor
@@beegdawg 1st mimir must of also called her frigg since he was a friend of Odin 2nd Tyr was locked up for so long it would not surprise me that he would call her frigg since that was probably her name before he was locked up
There’s no evidence for how long the raven was there. For all we know he could have just arrived. Surtr’s a primordial. Odin can’t just kill him like nothing
The og GOW games are some of my favorite of all time. These two new ones just aren’t the same. Dad of war . Mellow drama . Gods who don’t look or act like gods . I was waiting for Odin to change forms or something . In the end, I was on Odin’s side! I wanted the answers! I thought he or Atreus would look inside & see other realms/universes . That’s why we find Mayan & Egyptian artifacts in the game . Horrible ending . Terrible pacing . Fun combat . 5/10
Ur criticisms about ragnorok being too short and surtur being useless were spot on for the most part bus surtur did distract a lot of odins army and the big laser thing they were hitting the towers with, without surtur kratos and atreus would've had to deal with a lot more, but overall surtur should've done a lot more yes
Game is called 'Ragnarok' but the actual Ragnarok lasts 30 mins tops. A 'war' that ends like Endgame with a happy ending where the heroes suffer no real losses. We spend 5x that time riding a fucking yak... ridiculously overrated game. Edit: hahahaha you mentioned the same thing. It absolutely is the most glaring flaw in the entire game.
I will never understand how kratos actually beat heimdall, shouldn't heimdall be able to predict the future? Even if kratos stopped thinking so he couldn't mind read him he can still use his foresight power he is the god of fucking foresight, and even with the spear's infinite copies it still doesn't make sense he can still foresee it and simply dash towards kratos and punch him before he detonates the spears
@@cookingwithkratos that still doesn't make sense let's say the infinite copies can overload him, he should still be able to predict the detonation he is clearly much faster than kratos why couldn't he sprint towards him and just tackle him to the ground?
Incredibly good video. You made some very good points. I already had many reasons on why the story was very disappointing but, for example, it never occurred to me how contradictory it was when Atreus wanted to manipulate Surtr but at the same time he was a sentimental pussy all the game trying to help and save people. Also, as you said, the whole point of going to get surtr was to eliminate Odin, but at the end it seems Asgard is destroyed for literally no valid reason lol
Surtr's primary job was to start Ragnarok & destroy Asgard and that's what happened. Also did you forget when midway Kratos decides to send Frey & Freya to slow him?
@@josephchristophermcdonalda6666 Surtr doesn't even want to destroy anything, he just want to be left alone but Atreus manipulated him and used him as a weapon (which contradicted Kratos' character about not wanting to use anyone as weapon). Then for some stupid reason, when Surtr became Ragnarok, he just mindless beast.
@@zeroskaterz92it’s because he didn’t have enough time as ragnarok, if I remember correctly they literally stated that in the beginning of the war.they almost instantly start ragnarok after surtr becomes ragnarok
But you see, they have to make the Norse *GODS* "relatable" to the audience and yaddayaddayadda... You see where this is coming. Man, now this just made me appreciate Comic Marvel Thor's dialogue even more. Dude speaks like he came straight out of Shakespeare's writings, but it's precisely what fits his type of character. Obviously none of the GOW characters are heroic anough to fit into Marvel Thor's whole "noble warrior" shtick, but I expected them to be at least somewhat larger-than-life. Be it the for the good or for the bad.
Regarding the beginning, what makes you think Odin and Thor would just leave after Kratos accepts the deal? They could just hang around, talk Kratos' ear off about what HIS end of the deal would entail. Keep in mind how hard Odin front-loads his end. You really think he wouldn't try to snake and weasel Kratos and Atreus (it's really Atreus he wants anyway) into giving up more than they did when Kratos just said "no"? It's textbook manipulation tactics. I don't think I'll keep watching, but if anyone wants to dicuss or tell me about points in the video that are extra poignant, I'll be happy to have encouraged discussion 😁
lmao "Atreus being an emotional idiot" bro he is a 14 year old with a lot of questions, its kind of expected. there is an entire video explaining Odin's psychology
So many things that were rushed. I also didn't like how Freya considered to forgive Kratos so abruptly. The game is a cosmic disappointment. It doesn't deliver on almost (if not all) any of the promises of its predecessor. In my opinion, this is the worst "God of War" game.
It wasn't until Kratos opened up about his past that she realized they were actually similar. She didn't know about Lysandra and Calliope, or his brother Deimos, or why Kratos killed the Greek Pantheon and destroyed Olympus. After getting her freedom back and wanting Revenge against Odin, it was a realistic reaction for her to forgive him.
@@enterthekyuubi I am talking about before that. She was about to kill Kratos and all of a sudden she thought that he might help her out. It was dumb and abrupt for me.
@@looneyllama Nope. It's dumb and abrupt because I understood the set up of the last game unlike you. Ragnarok doesn't live up to the set up/build up of the last game.
I also think that the entire mask sub plot was horrible so we agree there too. I wish they would have done something with Finrir too. Im gonna chalk that up to this game being way too rushed
I agree about having fenrir be in the story more and they definitely rushed a couple parts, but he does the most significant thing at the end of the game: he takes us out of asgard when it's about the get destroyed by ragnarok. Everyone in the main cast would've died after killing odin and destroying asgard. And only because fenrir opened a portal WITH ANGRBODA TO GUIDE HIM, he saved us all.
It’s a common trait in fiction for characters be presented as intelligent for the most part, but then do something dumb in the last minute for plot convenience. Especially with villains. So it was silly what happened with Odin, but not any sillier than how a lot of Bond villains behave before they die. I do agree with a lot of your points, though. Even though I still liked the story, mainly because if characters like Sindri.
Modern critics: "It's emotional or something." 10/10
lmao kids
People when good story- 😱😱
@@WARRENLH *shit plot
Didn't know Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy 4 through 10 were modern
You were dead on ! I myself felt a little let down by the game , but I still enjoyed it cause of the combat ! To me there was so much that upset me overall though ! So in a sense I love the game , but I didn’t like the story and I felt the gods didn’t feel like gods ! They tried to hard to make them feel more human , that they didn’t even feel like gods to me ! Now In the original trilogy , those gods feel like gods , but yes they don’t have the deep emotion of the Norse gods in god of war ragnarok ! To me they sacrificed too much of their godhood to make them them more human and relatable , well maybe some like this , I don’t , I wanted Odin to feel like a god ! To me he felt more like a mall store salesman ! But I already expected that once they said they casted Richard schiff as Odin as already seen him in so many movies before ! So I knew what to expect !
The whole " end of the world" thing just seemed weak by the end of the game. It just never felt like anything bad was ever going to happen in the game.
Are you talking about Odin or the Ragnorok segment?
Yeah seriously. Compared to 3 with the gradual destruction of Greece. First the rising ocean, then the souls of the dead escaping, then the sun gets blocked out, then pestilence and disease spread. Even Hera makes a point to point out how plants and fauna are dying too. The world really felt like it was falling apart and there were actual stakes
@@peteybakedziti8908 Exactly
@@peteybakedziti8908The funny thing is though, that’s exactly how Ragnarok goes in Norse mythology lol. Don’t blame the writing teams for that, blame the poets from hundreds of years ago for that one.
@@Hedron1027the Devs have always exaggerated source material. Why not do it here with Ragnarok to make it a more interesting experience for players? It was the main draw for the game and it fell completely flat
The part that got me was when he said "the whole jotunheim sequence is longer than ragnarok" got me. It's so true
For real 🤣 the game should be named GOW: walking in Jotunheim
@@NL-X *God Of Woke: Trashnarok
Jotunheim ruined the game for me
@AdamAdam-vu3qt personally I didn't think it was too bad. Might have overstayed its welcome, but it was a nice break from all the chaos imo. Just wish the whole ragnarok sequence was a lot longer than what we got
@@gonhunter3994 you're so original
imagine if it was a trilogy and you befriended and unbroken tyr for this whole game and then near the end of the third odin gets exposed, that would be the twist of a lifetime
they had to rush if we really wanted a trilogy we would have to wait 10 plus more years but obv were impatient as fuck the hype for the game will be long dead
That would be nice but idk about you but I wouldn’t wanna wait till 2030 just to get to a new pantheon
@@insertnamehere259 yeah i wouldn’t want to play a trilogy in the same pantheon again
@@HristMist then you would’ve missed out on a great franchise. Here however, we got a lack luster franchise. Trying to fit EVERYTHING in one game whilst fraying most of the bigger plot points built in the last one. They did nothing with Atreus being Loki, the real god mischief was Odin all along. After hearing great tales of Tyr, all we get is a cosplayer and then a few Easter eggs to other pantheons. Should’ve been a trilogy so they could’ve better fleshed out the story and the char dev.
It really should have been yeah letting us build a bond with tyr over the course of a whole game for him to betray us in the third one would be fucking amazing
But devs gotta rush things
Would also amplify the feel of him being as manipulative as they make him out to be
My favorite part is when Sif goes from absolutely hating Atreus and convincing Thor to kill him, to loving him and joining his side, for absolutely no reason. To honestly believe that stupid Atreus could move into Odins house, where everyone quickly forgets that he's killed a bunch of there family. You are telling me that not one person would try to poison him, kill him in his sleep, etc.
😂😅😂 this is why you need to pay attention while playing games
@@zachmcguire6659 What do you mean?
@@MrKULVIS He means that the scene where she was "trying to convince Thor to kill Atreus " was actually intentionally misleading : It was implied that she was actually speaking of Odin
Btw I hate the game
@@eliasraspail3650 So Sif appears to take Atreus into custody. Maybe it is true that she's referring to Odin, but she spent the whole game hating Atreus, and does nothing to stop Thor from killing him. What does Sifs hate for Odin have anything to do with Atreus? She's just all the sudden on board with the whole plan of destroying her home and watching her family and friends burn?
@@MrKULVISbecause in that scene where Thor thought she was telling him to kill Atreus was actually her trying to convince Thor to go against Odin but due to him being drunk and shit he misinterpreted it and tried to kill him. Also she hated Atreus in the beginning because he did after all kill her two sons, I would say that she was allowed to hate him then. Just saying
I just thought for one minute, and Odin could have had an easy victory if he just had Baldur look into the rift.
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I think it has to be a jötunn champion, which was loki
Many people think that Odin is lying about losing his eye by looking at the rift, cause both in real mythology and the game mythology is explained how he lost his eye, so maybe anyone can look at the rift he just doesn't want anybody to do it without having the mask completed first, just a theory tho.
@@15OgLoc The real problem with the rift is it's already concluded and I guess making up a supposed result of what might happen doesn't carry weight anymore.
@@faidaimaidai wait, i thought it's kratos, as he has the spear in the prophecy...this shit is all fucked up
I would have liked Ragnarok SO MUCH more if they’d just kept the tone of 2018. 2018 just felt so much more dark and grounded.. obviously it was fantastical because it’s a game about Gods and mythos, but the internal logic and rules of the world were much more consistent than Ragnarok. The thematic elements were of the story were much better executed, and the emotional pay offs were earned.
The story of Ragnarok felt like a Marvel movie. This has been said many times and it feels cliche to say, but it’s true. The witty banter, the lightness of the story beats that floated from one rushed section to the next, all of it.. it just felt nothing like 2018. It’s such a shame, because as a game Ragnarok is stellar- the graphical fidelity, animations, art design, music and combat mechanics were amazing. The story held it back so badly. I also think a lot of the main story could have been trimmed and it wouldn’t have suffered at all. Hopefully next time they cut back on the constant attempts at witty banter too.. it just doesn’t work. In the first game, the humor was spread out and thus had a bigger impact. Same with the earned emotional pay offs.
Ragnarok is just a mess.
If "Tyr" had just held the mask higher, Brok wouldn't have been able to knock it out of his hand 😩
Lmaoooo🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Lmao that’s pretty hilarious
So glad brok is dead another annoying character bites the dust.
@@leonardfabian8942 you're pretty annoying too, but I wouldn't wish death on ya.
The game is just underwhelming and disappointing. People were expecting epic clashes between Mythological GODS like Ashura's Wrath. Instead we got Tribal brawl, village invasion and two hours of Yak ride.
The scope of it felt so freaking small lol
I’m with you on the plot being ridiculously overrated. Playing through the game. I couldn’t help but feel Santa Monica Studios really needed a third game to properly do their story justice. Especially since the “Ragnarok” which was hyped up to no end was just reduced to a 20 minute Marvel movie segment.
God of War 3 did Ragnarök better than God of War: Ragnarok did.
The whole Ragnarok is them, trying to avoid it, it wasn't meant to be the bulk of the game, reason it was only an hour in game time
@@Hunterese123 I disagree because Atreus who is the 2nd playable protagonist of the game was actively obsessed from start to finish. How to find Tyr, to go to war with Odin & Asgard. To get Freya back on their side. & How to screw over Odin when he was given residence in Odin’s Lodge.
@@chaosmark101treus does want ragnarok to happen in the beginning of the game, but later on changes his mind when he sees the prophecy of kratos dying. He only goes to work with Odin in order to prevent ragnarok as well. He does go into Asgard with intentions of betraying Odin, but after helping him he decides not to which heimdall points out at one point
@@isaacsanchez5367 you’re forgetting how excited and eager Atreus gets when he sees the vision of Ragnarok. If anything it’s Kratos the one that doesn’t want to cause it, Atreus before the game is sneaking around with Sindri to find Tyr which would ensure Ragnarok.
big fan of 2018 and other games man. all the things that were hyped in first game seemed lackluster in ragnarok. story was rushed. not gonna justify it.
One of my biggest issues is what was up with the Faye flashbacks? The first one ended in a way that seemed to heavily imply that Faye is talking to Kratos from beyond the grave, but that doesn't go anywhere. They just feel like filler. Come to think of it, everything to do with the Giants was just really bad. We're told over and over again that they're extinct but we keep meeting more and more of them as the game goes on.
That’s the literal point lmao. The giants are *thought* to be extinct but really are out there and scattered and that’s why Atreus leaves on his own journey, because he has to search far and wide for them.
As for Faye, it’s pretty clear they’re memories Kratos is dreaming about. The last memory of her shows when she gave Kratos her wish for him and their son to take her ashes to the highest peak in all the realms once she passes.
You realized that they weren’t aware other people of their race were still alive right?
@@zachmcguire6659 She was.
@@codafett I’m not talking about her though she lied we all know that plus it’s a plot device for the player to find out
@@KingPharaoh405what's disappointing is that we never see how fierce of a warrior Faye truly was. That's the sad part
One of My BIGGEST gripes for this game was that the "Loki" part of this entire saga went NOWHERE!!! Instead we pick up fruits and skip rocks.
"This is My time!"
[skips stone]
- from the awful Shadow of the Colossus film script that never got made
(thank god...)
I have to agree, I felt the story was rushed and lack luster, sure it was a great game, but so much potential wasted when literal GODS are fighting like compared to GoW3 how large scale the battles were. Especially in the first game fighting baldur on top of a giant, I had thought we would have fought along with giants in Ragnarok, like when GoW3 Kratos fought Zeus with Gaia. Nope, just grounded weapon clashing. They show so much potential with the beginning of the game, almost teasing bigger and better boss fights...nope no jormungandr pov fight or Kratos and Loki with Fenrir fighting Odin. I'm disappointed that Odin's powers were just wizard spells basically, I thought I would have seen him use much more magic or God powers like duplicating himself to confuse or attack by taking control of a dead giant's body (almost a play on when Freya did that when Kratos and Baldur fought trying to stop fate) or more clashing of both spears. Also...how come Thor gets 2 boss fights with Kratos (beginning and end) but the main big villain gets one boss fight (ending fight)? The boss designs felt lacking the "epic" feeling to me...
The story wasn’t lackluster though. Yes there were rushed bits but that’s understandable considering that they had to wrap up the whole story in the game.
The first fight with Thor is exactly what it should've been: A huge battle all over the mountainside between the two strongest gods, but then the second one is just Thor and Kratos punching each other in one spot for 30 minutes.
@@morbincentral3607 It definitely was lack luster. They did nothing with the whole “Loki” twist. Only part Atreus’ giant half played was opening shrines and some cutesy convo with Thor. Tyr the whole time was locked away after the hype built in the last game. Mimir didn’t see through Odin after spending eons with him, Freya nor Freyr. I understand that Odin is the great manipulator here, so sure I’ll give him that. Then you have Ragnarok itself, the TITLE! Lasted maybe 40 minutes? This whole game could’ve been so fucking good if they ended right when Kratos blew the horn. Then we could’ve forayed onto the actual Ragnarok in the new game, instead of getting 99 hours of fimbulwinter and 1 of Ragnarok.
Then there’s no explanation of why Kratos survives the end of Ragnarok. When majority of the game since right before Garm fight you spend talking about his death. Why did he live? Cus he chose to save those people in Asgard? Because they kept saying that the giants prophecies always come true, so then why did they two contradicting ones with one kratos dying and the other of him being the savior? Only part that came true was the destruction of Asgard. For these reasons, the story was lack-luster.
I’m not even going to talk about the action of the game. Another reason why it’s a solid 5.2/10 and not 9.8/10 like the last one.
@@BeastieRajWait, not that I was a huge fan of the action to begin with... But wouldn't you say it was better than God of War(2018)? I certainly felt like they improved the combat, even though they nerfed the Blades of Chaos.
@@nirjhar4803 have you even played the previous games
So, the thing about Odin “not being portrayed as evil” kind of just means you totally fell for his good-guy façade. He uses manipulation tactics to make people *think* he’s fine, when really he’s doing shitty things.
For example, with the dwarves; Mimir *specifically states* that Odin was planning on ATTACKING the dwarves as a first result to get them to do what he wanted, and he suggested tricking them instead. How is that NOT evil? Slavery or death?
And with the mill, it was also stated he made the mill specifically to make the original mill go out of business, and then he *destroyed his own* to rob the dwarves of their soil. His intent from the beginning was malicious. It’s as they say, “even if he speaks the truth, his purpose is false.” He does good things for bad reasons, and I thought it’d be more obvious than that.
He is a bad guy and has done bad things but is he evil?
The actions and what he says during the fight with Kratos and when Atreus breaks the mask, isn't that an example of him doing bad things for what he thought was a right cause? He thought the knowledge from the rift would solve all the problems they had, including Ragnarok. He says: "Unfold the secrets of life and death." He didn't even care that he wasn't the one getting that knowledge and that Atreus was instead, all he wanted was for that knowledge to be discovered, no matter by whom.
The thing about him being someone who did bad thing for what he thought were gonna be good outcomes, basically he thinks the ends justify the means, is stated by something else he says at the end of the game: "What was it all for?" All the suffering and destruction made in order to make the mask whole, the whole long plan brought about by the prophecies with Loki, it was all for nothing since Atreus destroyed the mask.
I think it is a very bad choice to trust everything that Odin says, but I also think it is equally as bad of a choice to distrust everything he says.
@@RealFastus all the atrocities he commited or orchestrated are definitely evil, killing your son is pretty evil. And by the end you hear the madness in his voice, and i think kratos was right about there not being shortcuts to knowledge without paying a price. And knowing all we know odin just had selfish reasons for looking in the rift, where he would go when he died. Probably not stopping wars and bringing people together like he told atreus
You summed it up very well 👏👏
The problem I have is that the only things he does which can actually be considered bad are things we never get to see, and are just things being told by 1 side of a 2 sided conflict, who has an obvious axe to grind against the other side.
Like if Guy A just states that Guy B is going to do Evil Act X, but the only proof we have is just that Guy A said it, even though he has been shown to be truthworthy, I still wouldnt go to war against Guy B simply because of the words of Guy A. Im going to need a whole lot more than that.
Like if we ever got to hear Odins response to those accusations, then this wouldnt even be a debate to begin with, since then we could determine right then and there what the answer was, depending on how he responded. But considering how Mimir and the games Codex logs try to treat things that wouldnt even be considered evil in a modern context, I cant just blindly take anything Mimir says as Gospel without something more.
Granted if you put a gun to my head and told me between Mimir and Odin which one probably has been telling the truth more often than the other, then sure Id go with Mimir since he has no reason to lie to us. But that alone would never be enough of a justification to start a war with the other side.
And in regards to your Mill point. I dont care about what the intentions are of people. I care about their actions because actions speak louder than words. If Person A had the best intentions but the worst results (Results in this case meaning using force on somebody else) and Person B had the worst intentions but the best results (Results in this case meaning NOT using force on somebody else, aka peace) then I would choose Person B anytime of the week. The bottom line is that all Odin did in this example was start up a competing business, which the fellow Dwarves could still ignore if they wished to, but they voluntarily chose not to, so as a result Durins World Mill went out of business and fell apart. Thats not evil. Thats exactly what would happen in our own modern context. Odin then destroying his own World Mill is also not evil because its his property to begin with.
Like I know my video and my reply to this comment probably makes it seem Im an Odin stan. Im not trying to say the guy is just completely misunderstood or something. He could very well be the most evil SOB in all God of War games for all I know. Its just everything we see of him, even in contexts where he doesnt need to put up a facade, are all at complete opposite ends of all the atrocities that are attached to him through off screen happenings. The Odin I was scared of and terrified of meeting based on all descriptions of him in God of War 2018, didnt seem to appear at all in God of War Ragnarok.
I really, truly am not trying to say Odin is a good dude. Im sure Word of God would back up all evil shit hes done. Its just if I take Odin strictly from on screen showings of God of War Ragnarok. Then hes just the leader of Asgard who offered a peace deal to Kratos, who was then rejected, essentially having war declared on him, thereby justifying any negative thing he did to Kratos and company in self defense essentially. I wanted to see the evil Odin, but all I got was a guy didnt live up to the hype
@@rensb9214 I don't think you and I have the same definition of evil. He killed his son, yes, but he said he didn't want it, it's a bad thing but it's not like he got some kind of pleasure from it, I wouldn't call it evil.
As for the Kratos and knowledge thing, we simply don't know, there is no reason to think Odin would have done anything bad after accomplishing his goals. Logically speaking, if everything bad he has ever done was in the service of getting the rift knowledge, then after getting it, he should have no reason to do anything else that's bad.
He clearly cares more about that knowledge being discovered no matter by whom than just wanting to get his hands on it personally, that is why at the end he says to Atreus that he's the one destined to peer into the rift, and Atreus could have either not told him anything or even just killed Odin after, this is a game after all, and knowledge even above that of the gods would grant you power. Also, Odin wants to know what is after death, sure, but I doubt that the rift only holds that information. Plus, if every god knew for a fact what happened to them after they die, I imagine the way they conduct themselves would change.
Odin is a complex character, that is why he is interesting, yet the people who praise his seem to ignore this, strangely, and simply categorize his as evil, nothing more.
Finally someone speaks the truth! I felt all these same story problems when I played through the game and nobody on youtube talks about them! Easily the worst crafted and most underwhelming story in the entire GOW franchise
L take
@@rileyweek9840nah, that's you
Would have been more interesting if Tyr actually was Tyr and was just on Odin's side or had his own agenda or something. I was not a fan of the Tyr/Odin twist.
I agree with a lot of what you’re saying but I feel the need to mention that Freya actually does give a reason for why she didn’t want to teach Odin the immortality spell, she saw how her kind hearted son went completely insane after she used it on him and didn’t wanna see Odin become like that.
I completely missed that and feel like an idiot after watching a youtube video that talked about exactly what you just said. Definitely my fault there no two ways about it. No excuse on my part. Thanks for keeping me honest
If I can still attempt to shamelessly defend myself, I do think there is a difference between having it forced upon themself like Baldur was, as opposed to Odin willingly wanting to learn it. But thats just kinda a cop out on my part to a degree. Thanks again
Edit: Making this edit on 1/16/23, about a month later from initial comment. Actually, on thinking about this some more based from another commenter here "Hectic 117", I think I may take back my initial concession here. Because assuming that was Freya's reason, of not wanting Odin to become insane, then I have to question why didnt she just remove that from Baldur then? If she valued someones sanity more than she valued everlasting life, why didnt she remove it from Baldur? If she valued everlasting life more than sanity, why didnt she teach it to Odin?
No matter which she valued more, her actions betray both lines of thinking
@@superlucci you’re such a nice UA-camr. But I’ve been asking myself why every God hasn’t hunted her down and become immortal from her. I believe that her son went insane because it was forced upon him and the mental turmoil just got to him.( not being able to feel,taste, or smell would drive anyone Insane) But I feel like if you know what is happening and are willing to except those conditions going insane wouldn’t happen. Plus I believe Oden would have been able to figure a work around. And at the very least his character would have forced it on his solders. I Believe the best solution that fits in universe is that the spell is super hard and complicated and she simply doesn’t have the resources to replicate it.
@@superlucci gigachad
It's still a great game to play and enjoy man just cause the story was bad doesn't mean you should stop playing it
@@superlucci It was to protect her son from his needless death, so she could not let go; But with Odin, It would make him insane and ruin him, also there was no prophecy about Odin dying. So if she did with her son he would die and if she put it on Odin, he would go insane and hate Freya.
This game was the antithesis of The Last of Us Part 2. While that game was a bit too risky and unconventional with its approach, GOW Ragnarok takes literally zero risks and destroys the interesting setup they had in the first game.
Like remember Freya threatens to kill Kratos for killing her son? Naw fam it's fine they're buddies again after spending like 30-40 min together. Atreus is Loki? We will literally do nothing interesting with it other than making some characters call him that. Kratos is fated to die? No prob he will change fate for some unclear reason and only the minor comic relief character will perish.
So you're saying you want Kratos to die? Yeah that'll go over well with the community and not be divisive at all in the slightest and everyone will love and understand that creative decision lmaoo
@@anthonygarcia8749 if you're gonna foreshadow the main character's death then have the balls to kill him off or at least subvert expectations in an interesting way, not just be like "oh yeah well I guess it didn't happen" by the end of the story
Ragnarok turned the massive potential of GoW 2018 into self-righteous gobbledygook.
the game was trash based on the expectation we had on gow 2018 it didnt deliver half of what was promised and the part that was delivered anti clamatic
Comparing god of war fights between games, i feel like the fights in GoW ragnarok feel the most underwhelming. Kratos and Thor's final duel literally happened in a small circle, and the only major destruction it caused is a hole in the roof.
I don't get why they took off the bare hand executions like for what
Kratos is more mature now. He doesn't have to tear a hole in the sky to get his point across. A hole in the roof will suffice...😂
@@reffa2858 Bullshit excuse that one, especially because he's fighting Thor, lmao.
@@reffa2858 that might actually be true if the fight at the beginning of the game didnt happen.
You do know that the end of the god of war 2 the fight with zues was also in a small circle honestly our of the 2 the Thor fight was much cooler
The Tyr reveal was so promising, really made me think "oh wow, this odin guy is seriously clever, he played everyone, I can't wait to see what other deceptions he has planned". Hell, when Kratos and Artreus start preparing their army for ragnarok, they even point out how "this seems too easy", which really seemed like the game was building up another plot twist where Odin was manipulating the gang into doing exactly what he needed them to do which would lead to Kratos getting killed and asgard surviving Ragnarok. But no, apparently Odin really didn't have any backup plan in case crosdressing as a giant didn't work. The gang somehow unites 8 realms within like a day, and Odin has no strategy aside from throwing Thor and a couple einherjar at the army attacking asgard. And of course Kratos survives and gets a perfect good guy marvel movie ending because "blah blah, generic we make our own fate dialogue", basically nobody of importance from the good guy side dies aside from Brok, and Odin genuinely turns out to be just an idiot who didn't have any kind of plan and gets beat in an incredibly underwhelming bossfight. Seriously, Zeus could take on all these wimpy Norse gods at the same time and would still win.
True😂
I actually thought ATREUS was going to die instead of Kratos. I like the "I defy fate" characterization Kratos was given.
I thought Atreus was going to die and Kratos became Ragnarok itself and destroyed everything, again, proving what Athena said in 2018 right. One fate that Kratos can never escape from is that he is and always will be a monster.
But nah, Kratos lived, Atreus lived, Kratos became a good peaceful nice guy HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm sorry, I can never say that without laughing for a good minute.
I wanted to see more Athena and even Blade of Olympus. Its reveal would've been as epic, if not more epic, than the Blades of Chaos reveal in 2018.
that would have been way more interesting @@ShadowbannedAccount
@@CaseClash Lol we're blaming bad video games on women now?
Lmaoooo
I loved the Asgard intro with Heimdal from him grabbing Atreus hand and dangling off the cliff to being a complete dick reminiscent of the OG GOW gods . He was great the speech on the way down to Asgard he was 100% right about as well
The mask should of been dropped as a plot point and should of been Athena instead. Athena should of gone to Odin after the events in 2018. To give insight into Kratos and the other pantheons around. Later in Ragnarok Odin would show Athena to Atreus where the full extent of Kratos’ history is told to Atreus. Further pushing that prophecy to reality and causes discourse within him.
Athena true motives are she doesn’t want another God ascending to her level of existence. So she is trying to ensure another Pantheon dies to limit that. She would dress it up as just a hatred for Kratos. When really her pawn is Kratos and her plan is just to use him for the monster he is to kill more and more gods. Cory wanted that originally for Athena to represent the idea of her becoming monotheistic faith.
This could of been an easier lead up to God of War 6. Where Athena has abandoned the Norse pantheon after losing to Kratos once again. So she’s flees and seeks the help of other Pantheons, warning them of the power of Kratos and now the nine realms.
This would have been much better, I hate that they didn’t explore that, be it Athena or Odin, someone should have told Atreus what a monster Kratos really was, that he killed his previous family with his own hands. Try in some way, in a moment of anger between Kratos and Atreus to bring them apart and make Kratos have to come clean to his son about the sins of his past.
That never got explored, we never really feel that Atreus might go to Odin and betray his father, it never felt the profecy could ever become true.
God of War 6?
Kratos is a sad dad now. The only Gore kills are the wolvers. The story is woke garbage.
There will be no God of War 6. God of War is dead.
@@davidmichael9275 the ‘wokeness’ ain’t the problem with the game/story. It’s the terrible plotting and wasted potential of characters like Odin
@@Skyhigh864 That's a feature of wokeness, the destruction of story potential. The entire game seemed one illogical filler episode.
It makes no sense for this to be a main plot point in the game, the whole point of finishing of Norse is to give the weight of the villain role to the the most hyped villains Thor and Odin, from all the horrible deeds they committed. And the story does a masterful job of slowly separating the two to see who is willing to change and who isn't. The entire schtick about prophecy and the giants wouldn't make any sense. Having Athena as a main line villain, over Odin is actually the dumbest thing I've heard. I think you should just admit the masterful character synergy and Interactions weren't valuable to you and you wanted to see a plot that rivalled gow3 in scale, and built a huge hype train where kratos revealed his true self again and killed the pantheon mercilessly. Sure the scale was toned down for the ending and final surtr could've be better utilised, but the development and intentions of characters has been excellently crafted into a long windy voyage that ultimately ended into a new kratos, and a new motivation for Atreus. The most impactful ending (apart from a well crafted death or something).
I wonder what was the writing team's original story idea for ragnarok. Because a lot of stuff that were hyped up from gow 2018 seems to be changed in some way in ragnarok. Odin, mad evil god.... Just trying to find mask. Seems bad but the game doesn't SHOW him as evil as mimir said. Thor, big bad news of a god... Almost killed his own son for losing another son. In ragnarok, pretty calm and reasonable. Atreus killed Modi. Kratos warned that it will have consequences. The next game his little sister just immediately buddy2 with atreus. I was waiting for the moment thrud found out about atreus stabbing modi to death but it's never mentioned again. There's gotta be another plan for these characters in the beggining that was thrown out. Is it a better plot plan than what they presented in ragnarok? We may never know.
Felt like they were going for the old subverting expectations trope to make themselves look smart and matrure or whatever
Do you think there is something wrong with people who were not disappointed? Why dont they see what you said there? I think they have no imagination, are too dumb, have no balls. These people want ironwood chronicles
I agree about the Thrud part but for Odin, he's still a mad evil god. Getting access to the mask is literally him wanting to be superior to others & he's shown to be a huge ahole to his own family. He's just very manipulative like a cult leader. As for Thor, in the first fight w/ Kratos it's literally acknowledged that's it very much Thor's fault for his sons' death & him drinking due to it.
@@shawklan27 Ragnarok does subvert expectations in some parts but it's not bad. Ppl think it's bad trope cuz of stuff like The Last Jedi but it can be done well.
@@josephchristophermcdonalda6666 which isn’t the case for Ragnarok
That’s crazy to think the johtenheim section is longer than ragnorak. What were they thinking?
I do agree that the Tyr disguise could have been better handled. But when u play the second time and u know Tyr is Odin u see the cracks calling Freya Frigg and the way he acts in Groa’s shrine. Even when he is the dwarf on the bridge in svartlhiem he spits at Kratos and Atreus because he can’t help himself. He is a master manipulator not a master of disguise. He is also betrayed as kind of a hothead like all of his sons. So I like to think it’s his character, his anger just boils over and he kills brok because he won’t stop pestering him.
It’s why I hate his character for someone supposed to thousands of years out and so terrified of Ragnarok. He basically does nothing to ensure victory and actively fucks it up for himself. It’s just pure luck that Mimir doesn’t see through the disguise straight away considering how un tyr he is, how Mimir interacted with Odin everyday for years and years, knows what Tyr’s opinion and thoughts are on things and how he is supposed to be the smartest man alive.
@@Skyhigh864 Exactly who wouldn't kill Atreus in Odin's shoes if given the chance and knowing about Ragnarok.
It's still horrible. Tyr was a big part of the first game. They just brush him offin Ragnarok like he's not important.
@@KometheusOdin couldn’t kill Atreus or else 1 all of the gods would be slaughtered within hours at best. 2 because he needed Atreus to find all the mask pieces so he could get infinite knowledge
Odin is a realistic Villain not an anime villain lol
I couldn’t say it better even if I tried. I play GOW for the story. They really F it up. It’s so bad. In fact GOW Ragnarok rendered 2018 GOW useless
Yes. Exactly how I feel. Ragnarok disrespects the set up/buildup of its predecessor and makes it feel like a waste. It simply doesn't deliver on the promises of the last game.
Yep
@@yokotubene What were you expecting, like besides who blew the horn, what was ignored in 2018? Sounds like you had wish fullfillment and mad it didn't happen how you though
@@Hunterese123 -Thor was not the bloodthirsty killer we were promised.
-Ragnarok itself was not the intense war in which the stakes should have been high.
-The snake's poison being imbued in Kratos' axe had no major significance.
-Kratos never uses Spartan Rage on any of the gods like in the last game.
-Surtr and many of the new characters were underdeveloped and therefore, forgettable.
-Freya considered to forgive Kratos too abrubtly.
-We don't get to use Mijonir despite being hyped up in the last game and even included in the Collector's and Jotnar editions (I've heard the excuses from the developer and I don't buy it).
-We barely fought any gods (Vidar at least should have been another Major god as he was a very important figure in mythology).
-Fenrir turned out to be a useless random wolf.
-Kratos should have been the only playable character (Atreus in my opinion sucks because playing as him ruined the immersion and pacing of the game).
I might be missing more issues. But my point is that the game was simply a rushed mess in terms of story/writing and characters and it is the worst 'God of War" game in my opinion.
@@yokotubene When Ascension exists, it aint the worst, stop it, again this is your own expectations and what you wanted from the game
The game explains how there is no prophecy, it's simply that everyone's actions are so predictable that their paths can easily be mapped out. So from that alone I concluded that the message was about change rather than adhering to prophecy. But that's my only point so far
That's how the Norns deal with prophecy, the giants actually see the future. Since all the prophecy we're dealing with in the game come from the giants I don't really see what the point of the Norns is, except for a way for the writers to disregard what they established in the last game.
@@SdMVin even then its still poor writing. The norns still said kratos would die just like prophecy, which never happened.
@@humbleservant7797 no its not stop crying elden fangirl
@@humbleservant7797 kratos broke prophecy twice now all of a sudden you get mad? shut yo bitch ass up bro
That was unironically the dumbest shit in the game. The Norns literally explained precognition, which is an aspect of Fate
Story was bloated, disjointed and incoherent. And worst of all, woke as f* very underwhelming.
“It makes me feel sad. Must mean the writing is good.”
This is “good” writing in the modern day.
Well Brok dying, the funeral etc was sad. As a player, I had more of a connection to Brok then a lot of the characters. Did you care when Freya sacrificed himself? No, because the writing WAS good when it came to Brok
@@Ishbikes brok was annoying, the way they portray him is insufferable.
@@gary7867 no, Atreus was annoying.
@@Ishbikes almost everyone in the cast is annoying, they all talk like californians.
48:32 I actually thought Sif was Odin in disguise and I was shocked that it wasn't. They framed that entire interaction so weirdly
the story is the worst in a gow, we are almost 10 hours in the entire game from point a-b, kratos developed it in the background and making an anti-character of him, epic moments almost 0 removing thor's fight against kratos, no fight the boss surpasses that of baldur and not even the plot they wanted to tell in (gow2018), ragnarok is a good game but since god of war is already falling very short and in a bad way, kratos in 2018 was better carried narratively and in gameplay we felt like He just wanted to survive and defend himself from the world so that in this game he was replaced by atreus telling us about the "jotnar champion" throughout the trip and a prophecy that never comes true.
This game has finally convinced me to no longer play western developed AAA games. I'm just done with it until they stop developing games that are bad movies with mediocre gameplay catered to the lowest common denominator of gamers (if you even call casuals gamers)
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Things felt off about this game even though I enjoyed playing... It's like they wrote an "everything works out in the end" type of thing here I feel like the event of ragnorok was an afterthought it shoulda been devastating. Things went too well I can't put my finger on it tho
Everything in fact did not work out in this game.
The writing in this game was fantastic like the tyr twist and how going back in a second play through you can totally tell it’s Odin. Also not everything worked out because Brok dies and Sindri doesn’t have a good end. The reason ragnorok worked out is because they defied fate with the decisions they made and the game does explore those themes. The game definitely could’ve benefited from have more game to finish the story but this game was incredible.
@@morbincentral3607 i think that's the problem. How did they just change fate? They changed their actions? First off that was said by the norns who are not the giants. The norns didn't have any kind of premonition they were simply really good predictors. Kratos simply changing shouldn't have mattered with the giants prophecy. They didn't really do much to change their own prophecy. It just felt like it didn't happen just so kratos wouldn't have to die. Also they literally followed their own prophecy the entire game which just so happened to change at the very end. Also for some reason at the end prophecy ends up being right anyways? It really feels like they just made ragnorok work and made prophecy wrong in this one instance just so they wouldn't have to kill kratos off. I mean throughout the whole game were shown how trustworthy prophecy is just for it to be wrong when it really matters. And the game doesn't give any good explanation tbh.
@@madfrog7913well it changed when Odin killed Thor, I’m sure that was a big deal. That had alot to do with the prophecies. So the Norms didn’t predict that but they also didn’t predict Thor standing up to Odin. So yea, there were some things that changed. EVEN Kratos letting Thor live..
@@Ishbikes my question is why? How exactly did they defy fate? How does simply changing your actions defy fate? Why couldn't the giants have predicted thors death when everything else was correct?
Think about this one too.. if Odin was tyr the whole time, did no one notice tyr was just missing from sindris crib whenever Atreus went to Asgard ? Lol unless he can literally be in 2 places at once i dont know how that works honesrly
there is a throwaway line about fake Tyr sleeping in the broom closet said by Atreus to I think Freya, so you could say that he was napping during that time
while im not a fan of it, it could explain how they didnt notice
No one notices because “Tyr” prefers solitude due to that being his norm for years. No one really questions it and doesn’t bother disturbing him when he “rests” in Sindri’s broom closet. Also, Odin does indeed pop back into Sindri’s home several times while Atreus is in Asgard. There are even instances where Odin just straight up teleports (supposedly) out of Asgard. It’s not like Atreus is glued to Odin’s hip the entire time. Most of the interactions are pretty brief so he has plenty of time to go between both places without being questioned.
@@kingkocoa4467 ok yeah that’s true that makes sense, I can buy that .. I still think the twist was DOA, like what did it accomplish ar all for Odin? Nothing.. so what was the point of it? It was just a twist to have a twist, it had no effect on anything before or after that point in the game.. so I still think it was a cheap, weak twist
Mike Mode It was a twist for the sake of a twist (the fake Tyr plot was literally confirmed to be added late stage in development by the director, Eric). It only really serves as a reason to get Atreus to (somewhat) fulfill the prophecy of “Loki” serving Odin due to “Tyr” instigating the arguments between Kratos and Atreus as well as a reason to kill Brok (who was apparently planned to be killed in the sequel ever since 2018).
@@kingkocoa4467 well, why would they feel the need to fulfill the “Loki serves Odin” prophecy when they clearly felt it unnecessary to fulfill literally any other part of the prophecy we were told since 2018 lol
Heimdall also doesn't look into the future. He only reads your intentions.
Yes
Greek God Kratos could've fist-f%^ked like 95% of the enemy roster in both these games its so sad.
So theorie about mask:
Loki misunderstood some rune on mask, thats why he was in the wrong realm at all. Mask lead him to Garm maybe because its magic ability teleports have same colour as mask and rift, so it could be same type of magic energy. It was the only time mask lead him wrong because it could have been simply detecting strongest source of this type magic in the realm (so usually mask fragment) ,but in this realm there was no mask fragment, so it detected Garm, because it was the strongest source of that green magic. Maybe it makes sense idk.
Is there a reason why Odin doesn't transport 10 000 einherjar into Sindri and Brock's treehouse via his raven in the broom closet?
I mean, Kratos, Atreus and Freya do sleep obviously. What stops Odin from cutting Kratos' throat in the middle of the sleep? They had problem handling a dozen of Hel's zombies when those rifts happened, I don't think it would be a long fight if all of Odin's army marched out of that closet while when Kratos was dreaming about the hot redhead.
Well Odin needs kratos alive because Atreus would never help him is kratos was killed. Odins main goal is to get knowledge and answers. Odin knew Atreus might be able to help him find those. That’s also another reason he was disguised at Tyr, so he could manipulate Atreus to coming to Asgard by creating conflict between Atreus and Kratos. There are so many things people don’t understand about t the game and why those things happened. Pay attention
Freya didn’t want to avoid Ragnarok. When Brok died and Kratos meant to leave, Freya kept Gjllahorn and meant to use it. Kratos wanted to avoid Ragnarok, but it was inevitable, so he decided to took a part in it instead of running away.
He told Freya he wouldn’t steal from her the choice between life and death again. So it was in character for him to leave Gjllahorn with her
Gow Ragnarok but ragnorak lasts 30min out of the 25 hour story. 10/10
Wasn't meant to be the whole game, it was to avoid the war all together but then there pushed to a point to start it
@@Hunterese123 You are defending mediocre and rushed writing all over the comment section. The only primordial we meet in this game is Surtr and one of his lines I kid you not is “I grow big and I smash stuff.”
Odin The Allfather the literal king of the Norse pantheon refers to Freya as “My Ex”
Angrboda as she saves the gang after that pathetic excuse of a ragnarok refers to her magic as “Giant stuff”
Thor Odinson legit says “TF YOU SAY?!” “Oh we gotta model father here” 🤨
Like all of these are 21st century colloquials taking place in ancient Scandinavia and it breaks a lot of immersion. Imagine they go to the Japanese pantheon and they don’t sound like they’re from Japan lmaoo.
If this is life changing story or the genre defining story these fans claims it is gaming truly has reached an all time low. I guess you just aren’t allowed to have issues with this game and it’s story I guess.
Can’t call it ragnarok when the only two fights in it are dark souls rip offs with qte’s you can’t even fail excluding how quick the “ragnarok” was with rarely any Aesir gods in Asgard. One of the most iconic apocalyptic events in all of mythology/fiction wasn’t done any form of justice and yes I’m aware of video game limitations. Odin killing Thor was ridiculous and didn’t come off as the parallel to Kratos & Atreus as they thought it would. 2018’s portrayal of these two “Aesir conquerors throughout the 9 realms” on literal boat rides felt more intimidating and more like a threat than what we received. What supports my point on this is that nobody praises them as video game bosses/antagonists (which both Odin & Thor are incompetent as) they praise them as “characters”. A lot of stuff from 2018 wasn’t even present in this game which makes me believe the original idea for the story got scrapped. The whole ending was a mess from start to finish man. I’ve read every GOW comic, novel and have played every game even the mobile game years ago to say I’m a fan of the franchise is a bit of a lowball. This game & story is festered with issues. It tries to do too much all in this one game and it falls flat on its face. A difference in directorial presence and narration should never scream this loud in a piece of media. Three months before release even devs on the team said the game was mid, even one of the devs on her YT channel said the story was trash.
The giants prophecy & the Norns both said Kratos would die obviously I knew he wouldn’t but to “be better” you would think something grandiose would happen to defy fate but nothing happens and no catharsis is felt. When we are having emotional bate moments within an apocalyptic war the tension feels non existent and nobody important died. Brok isn’t important man imma just be honest this is further supported due to the fact on how fast someone replaces him(Lunda) and there is legit no dire consequences for his death. I play these new GOW games for the story because the gameplay is subpar at best and filled with homogenized AAA trends so when it fails at its one job it gives the most importance I don’t know why your shocked to see people call it out. As a passionate GOW fan if we aren’t going to kill gods for the sake of “being better” pack the franchise up Kratos’ kill count is legit a 15 digit number and that’s solely for Greece now they want to tread a line like he’s this wise old man now. Instead of taking inspiration from the last of us words from word of god Cory Barlog himself maybe take inspiration from Vinland Saga,Vagabond,Berserk if you want to actually attempt at diving into Kratos’ psyche after the events of GOW III. Whoever green lit Sindri killing Odin needs to be fired with all due respect it’s not good writing at all😭🤦🏾♂️
Easily the second worst game in the franchise if not the worst at least Ascension was a better game and didn’t have walk and talk segments that bloat the gameplay for more than 15mins. An atreus spin off seems like an option Santa Monica might take and if they do this franchise has not only lost its identity but they have their heads up their a** if they think it will sell good with him as a main lead. His segments in this game were beyond atrocious and they screwed the pacing up. Gow is one of my favorite series of all time but it’s not free from criticism at all and I am genuinely worried for the future of this franchise. These new GOW games are for the mass appeal that like nice graphics and not for GOW fans.
@@TheRogueGuy hard agree on everything you said bruh
@@TheRogueGuy Jesus man, no one got time to read your college thesis, so are you an expert on Scandanavians and how they talk or just go off movies? It's not that serious, lol. Please link me to this dev saying the story was trash cuz that sounds like complete lies cuz everyone would of been making videos on it and you sound like someone who misses the old style GOW games, you had a bunch of them, play those if these new ones are that inferior to you
@@Hunterese123 College thesis…. You never went to college then I fear. You look 30+, what type of argument is this? Movies? Sounds like you are on copium because none of your points are refuting any of my arguments because you know I’m right.
Dialogue is everything in a AAA cinematic experience, so when it’s awful and doesn’t even match the setting and tone ppl are gonna call it out. Basic 101 for writing any fictional story and the writers failed don’t get mad at me get mad at the 6 new writers on the narrative team that wrote the story. “Expert” lol anyone with basic literary analysis skills is saying this game is terrible.
Unfortunately I can’t remember her channel name because I didn’t give the video a like well technically live stream because she reacted to it winning best narrative of the year and gave her thoughts on it + she deleted all her live streams now (Vixit or something like that is her channel name). Nah they have positives to them specifically 2018 it’s just this game in particular was objectively terrible and the fandom is speaking on it even popular GOW UA-camrs like Kaptain Kuba & Jon Ford said the game was extremely disappointing.
It made perfect sense for Brok to find out. He’s an expert on realm travel
The whole game was just horrible, combat is literally the only thing I love about this game
Hater.
Just needed to watch 2 minutes of the video to understand you didnt get Odins character,he went to the house to ask Atreus to join him because he needs him to translate whats in the mask for him.
Exactly. How they wrote him was absolutely genius. He’s always acting reasonable but it ls always manipulation.
The point of the mask in itself is stupid. not to mention that odin who is known as the god of wisdom (ultimate manipulator) is so dumb. why would he kill brok if only Atreus can wear the mask? he would obviously lose his trust. and just think about the points the UA-camr listed. You'll see that the story is incredibly trash.
@@moezabugrin3525 The story went over both of yall heads...
@@TheMETALICA40 so you say Odin needed help from Atreus. and then I say he literally did the opposite of that by killing brok making him lose Atreus's trust. and then you say the story went over my head? maybe you are just too deluded to understand that the story is trash XD
@@moezabugrin3525 If you actually played the game you would know Odin killed Brok because Brok was onto him, he figured it out Tyr was not Tyr it was Odin that alone would have made Atreus not trust him anymore...besides Odin had every reason to kill Brok 1st he crafted a weapon to kill Heimdall and used a ring they stole from him to craft it and 2 he was pissed Brok found out he was false.
The game won best narrative for a reason instead of letting guys like this(haters)brainwash you make your own conclusions.
The best parts of the story were pretty much everything Cory listed that needed to happen and even then ragnorok wasn’t that interesting. I did love this game but yea Odin looked like an absolute fool
I have a plethora of reasons of why this story is bad. But the one thing I can’t get past…is that there was an entire war needed…and death to normal civilians happened all because of Kratos was a terrible “general”. He knew the entire time that Fenrir could portal jump out of literally anywhere. And in the end it just happens and they explain it as “giant stuff”. Oh and I spend more time picking fruit than fighting Odin and Thor. This game was the letdown of the century.
Excellent video. You hit the nail on the head. The most disappointing to me was Odin. He just was not as compelling as I had hoped ... To me I felt like the developers were flip-flopping between painting him as an evil manipulator (and failing) and as a deranged man who went crazy obsessing over the mask and the rift. It just was not clear what his purpose was, and I never felt like he was the All-Father we have been hearing about since 2018.
It does make sense though when I learned that Santa Monica changed the writers. They had the ingredients for a masterpiece but they mixed it all wrong and burnt some parts. It's sadly still better than most of the half-baked, story-driven games we get nowadays, so the standard is quite low overall.
Lol Odin was a great character. Loved that he didnt appear evil and had some mistery around him and his dialogue was very nicely done. Best game ever.
I forgot to mention heimdall can't see the future, he can only see what someone is about to do by looking into their eyes, that's why he can't read the spear the same way he reads people
Fucking hell dude I never thought I would witness another individual with the media comprehension skills equal to Synthetic Man but here we are
Even from the trailers I knew this game would be nothing like 2018
BS, so you didn’t get excited when Kratos/Thor threw there weapons at the end? Those were good trailers..stop that nonsense
This game is immune to criticism because I said so
Odin wanted Freya to cast the same spell she casted on Baldur but she DID say that after seeing what it did to her son she refused. When she refused he “tore the room apart”. It was only after that he became cold and started treating her bad. So there is ur reason.
It still doesn't make sense lmao. Appreantly just a lil mistletoe could cure the spell so she had no reason to deny unless she didn't trust him in which case, we know that isn't the cause. Just a weird plot hole
Very dull and non-engaging, and I almost exclusively play story-driven games. It reminded me of Assassin's Creed Valhalla's story with even worse writing. I LOVED the two Plague Tale games, despite being very slow-paced...definitely my favorite games in the past 5 years. This would definitely have gone back to the store, if this wasn't the digital copy that came with my PS5.
Man you absolutely destroy those Beserkers. I haven't seen you take a single hit yet. Epic how casually you just show that off 🤣
I didn’t even hear what he said😂the perfect parries omg
The overall problem I have with this game is that it treats itself like a triple A blockbuster movie with annoying mcu banter between the characters. Or it’ll take scenes and affects from mcu like when Sindhi snatches the marble from Atreus. Also the cutscenes in this game are actually to frequent, I feel like there is almost more cinematically than gameplay while the 2018 game is mostly cutscene heavy in the very beginning. Furthermore the game throws all of these different plots like the mask and angroboda’s collection of prophecies, but they all turn out to be useless and are incorporated into the story to keep players busy. The whole time the prophecies are treated as something inevitable and that kratos was going to die, I remember angroboda assuring Atreus that the prophecy WOULD come true, and it all turned out to be a bunch of bs.
in the beginning odin and thor scene, odins plan was to get close to atreus more than anything that's why thor wasn't planning on killing kratos only keeping him busy so odin had a plan no matter what kratos responded with and kratos had no real reason to accept that offer knowing odin would never own up to it especially when all mimir talked about last game was how terrible odin was and was the reason magni modi and baldur were after them in the first place (obviously in baldurs case, he was really searching for faye, but it was really so odin could weed out all the giants for good so its still a reason to distrust him)
It wasn’t just about “keeping him busy,” Thor still wanted to make sure his sons died an honorable death. That’s why he kept saying “let me see the god killer, monster inside etc Yea he was on a leash somewhat but he needed questions answered for himself as well
Such a idiot take on everything. Once you said the game is boring too long and then said the game is rushed.
The game is rushed i would say for some stories which could have been elaborated would just agree on that.
Otherwise all the takes that why this character didnt do this because it could have prevented this. Is such a foolish take on some story. Every character has his own characterstic, flaws, motivation.
Kratos: we don’t follow prophecy, we choose our own path
Also Kratos: everything I did was already foretold and written, but that’s a good thing now
???
It's funny because Fay already laid the prophecy for them in 2018, so Kratos's whole "Don't believe in prophecy" speil is just meaningless because they only succeeded in 2018 because the giants already laid their prophecy to success.
@@YEY0806 yeah exactly. I was willing to accept that since it was the first game, and it set the chilling setup of “this was all foretold and it happened, and look, we see Kratos die in this mural, so that means there’s a big chance it’ll happen.” That made me hype to see how he would avoid death and defy prophecy in the next game.
Instead, he avoided death because he was never supposed to die. That was Odin in the mural, not him. So it doesn’t matter. He’s an agent of fate and prophecy, not the opposite. They basically took away what made Kratos interesting and defined him in the original games.
Heimdalls foresight ability has limits, he could either focus on kratos and his spear throws but then he'd have to ignore the thrown spears that explode also he isn't looking at the spears when they explode when u throw them on the ground
If they tried to go Odin as master manipulator road, they should have taken lessons from Legacy of Kain -series. Story and it's characters are always as clever as their writers. Imo game was good experience for one playthrough. But after thinking how it all went down... I wasn't satisfied. It felt too marvel-like for me. Now it gathers dust on my shelf. Never playing again. Good ending for Kratos, I guess... yay! Could be worse. (tlou2)
I didn't like TLoU2 much (bc I didn't really care about Abby) At least tlou2 dark tone made sense imagine if it like Ragnarök Disney marvel unserious ass tone, also at least Tlou2 was very memorable and got u thinking about it for days and Ragnarök u forget it the next day lol
@@simpleclout5546 I watched the leaks of tlou2 before the game came out and I'm glad that I did. It was a shit-show with it's execution of story.
Saved me 70 e. It was a total step-down from tlou1. Tlou1 is still good and didn't need sequel in my opinion.
gow 2018 is still the best for me because the story, pacing, runic attacks are more satisfying. but gowragnarok has the best combat, good graphics and environment
Mimir not once during the three years he spent with with Kratos and Atreus did he tell them about Odin’s obsession with the mask? Thanks Mimir.
He says in Ragnarök that he thinks it's pointless and a dead end, you wouldn't bring something up that you thought was completely pointless and a dead end, he didn't actually make much progress through his life until atreus came with his god powers of language
He doesn’t know much of the mask, he didn’t take it seriously.
gow 2018 showed how to make a perfect game and ragnarok completely ruins it, the casuals don't understand that it's boring to see a story that leaves kratos in the background and they take away everything that was his character with his artificial suffering with atreus, it seemed to me more genuine like when he fixes his quiver with the mistletoe or when he simply gives him wine to drink instead of making a story where 10 hrs are pathetic problems of kratos and atreus that are really uninteresting to watch because it is abused almost to the point of want to close the game, just like the argument that odin was the most evil and everyone has to unite .. so they closed freya's arc with revenge? Pathetic, I would have preferred a story where Freya allies with Odin to try to kill Kratos, it would have been much more interesting and more because he would have to take care of Atreus, and he already missed predicting the story because it is so diverse and his objective is not Clear.
Thank you for this video. It drives me up a fucking wall how problematic the story is and yet it's somehow brushed aside from the scoring, as though these new games were not like 45% story-driven titles. Like, if gameplay was this fucked up everybody would be bitching about how much it sucks.
Surtur should’ve been the last boss / ally to recruit for ragnornak. Surtur should’ve been a huge character for this game
Thank you the story sucks and it makes me feel like they should end the franchise
Odin NEEDED to be alone with Kratos..Atreus can easily be persuaded and Kratos cannot.
Atreus can’t be easily persuaded with his father sitting right next to him.
As much as I still love the gameplay of Ragnarok I could not agree more. Cory Barlog's absence is felt very heavily in Ragnarok. Personally for me any game Cory did has been amazing. GOW II, Ghost of Sparta and 2018. All masterpieces in my eyes. Hell even 3 felt lackluster because he wasn't the one writing it or directing it.
Came here to fight and kill Thor and Odin.
Instead I fought Asterix and Obelix.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing during the jotenheim section. Good lord that was painfully boring and unnecessary
I mean, even the whole Krato's wouldn't be able to handle the norse Gods thing, which also makes no sense. The dude gets absolutely smashed by basic grunt enemies even after revealing to his son that Kratos is a god.
By this point, Kratos should be an extremely powerful god. He's caused the end of his world, clawed his way out of hades, and even taken down Thanatos, god of death. His power should have grown considerably over the few hundred if not thousand years passed seeing the norse Pantheon come to being. But none of that is ever brought up. It made sence in the 2018 game when he was hiding his godhood, but now that he's fully fledged and even has his chaos blades he should be practically unstoppable, capable of growing to titan sizes, killing grunt enemies in a single hit or taking down the gods of this realm with a certain ease with his indepth knowledge of killing them. Yet no, we have to play a stupid damn number game that serves to make the game an extremely boring slogfest whilst watching cutscene after cutscene of uninspired drivel and pretty visuals. Never have I thought a game could be akin to shitty modern movies, and yet here it is.
To go on another thing, maturity doesn't mean the character changes completely. Kratos is a father, but you're telling me the god of war, someone who went through so much pain and anguish and hurt all because of gods and even titans, would just accept the Æsir? Mf would be paranoid. He would either want no part of them or he'd treat all the beings who see themselves as all powerful as enemies to the only thing that he cares about. He's lost a daughter and his wife once already...hell twice, and he's practically had nothing until meeting a giant and having a kid. People don't just become fixed with time... that is always bullshit. Time does not heal wounds, especially if left to fester, which is literally what Kratos has seemingly done, without any support. Meaning there would be no maturity that takes place, there would be no greater change, he'd still be the same angry, spiteful war god. Bet they've even forgotten that he still carries the ashes of his dead child and wife on his skin. He's not white because he's cold. Hell, he's a spartan, which would make him bronze, brown or even black. There's a reason why they called him the ghost of sparta.
To add to the war god thing, he's supposed to be a god... which is literally an entity that is the embodyment of something. Where's all the humans who he enboldens with the promise of war? More like god of gruff conversation, bar brawls and finding meaningless trinkets. Who the fuck plays "God of War" to have family time, pet cute creatures, search every nook for a stupid lore tidbit, or traverse beautiful untainted landscapes? Where's the war? The bloodshed? The shades of black? The hatred? For a force of nature, he sure feels like a mushy human.
The first 30mins (Poseidon fight) of GOW3 had more action than in Ragnorok as a whole. Let that show for itself.
they were so afraid to just let Kratos BE COOL. the whole game. Let Kratos just do cool shit
And Odin fight literally feels like mmorpg fight
It’s modern woke gaming to destroy another male character. That is what happened here.
odin fight was weak trash
I heard Justin Bieber owns the franchise now, that explains everything. Jesus, what are there many beliebers
There are a lot of fundamental flaws in this game but I feel that’s due to cramming it all into one game. It should have been a trilogy having gow 2018, gow fimblewinter, gow ragnarok. The second game sets up the prophecy of ragnarok alot more can tease some fights that will happen on ragnarok and feature Freya as the main villain. fimblewinter (second game in trilogy) ends maybe with hiemdal fight and leaving behind the horn or a fight between Freya and kratos where thor shows up and they need to fight ‘the greater evil’ and tag team thor
This dude thinks Odin nice guy, he fell for it. Developers must be doing pretty good, when they catch you irl thinking Odin is a good guy, when he is obviously portrayed as a bad person and master manipulator. Mimir is literally a head, Freya whole life destroyed, dwarves enslaves, doesn't care about you unless your useful.
I think the best way to explain why Kratos said no, is a combination of both the fact that he immediately distrust Odin, and Mimir, who acts as Kratos' counsel urges him not to take the deal. Not saying it wasn't a stupid decision, but a character doesn't have to make a smart decision if it's still in character, and the combined hatred for gods plus Mimir's advice might have made that an in character decision
14:40 the whole game is Atreus being annoying, Kratos and Mimir telling him to not put tons of stock into prophecy, then Atreus ignoring them and going all in on said prophecy, then Kratos and Mimir just saying yes and going along with Atreus and his moronic blabberings.
I feel like we understood the "prophecy" side of things differently, as I played through the game I saw Kratos trying to defy prophecy many times, such as him wanting to desperately avoid a war and doing his best to not kill Heimdall, but ultimately both these things are done because he has no choice the prophecy still lined up. So I dont think that prophecy is just "ignored" when convenient but rather the ultimate reveal at the end of their prophecies endings being rewritten/ destroyed simply allows them to continue their story via their own free will.
Also about the dwarves, they didn’t have a choice in the matter not really. Mimir explained it as a choice between working and death, implying that Odin simply would have killed the dwarves if they didn’t work for him. On top of this the dwarves did yes set up the rigs but mimir created the idea and then effectively made them do it for more recourses quicker
Can’t defend that mask shit though, never thought about it but yeah it really makes no sense that it pointed toward garm :/ no real explanation given in game too
Heimdall’s ability is kinda vague. He doesn’t look into the future but rather he looks at peoples intentions. So I believe he simply couldn’t tell it would explode from kratos smackin the ground :/ Def doesn’t make sense that heimdall keeps the horn with him but also I thought he wasn’t going to fight kratos but rather Atreus and only fought kratos because he was there(but I’m unsure on this)
Heimdall’s ability is kinda vague. He doesn’t look into the future but rather he looks at peoples intentions. So I believe he simply couldn’t tell it would explode from kratos smackin the ground :/ Def doesn’t make sense that heimdall keeps the horn with him but also I thought he wasn’t going to fight kratos but rather Atreus and only fought kratos because he was there(but I’m unsure on this)
Finally someone has the courage to say what this game is. It's like saying something bad about Ragnarok is a like a blasphemy.
Facts love the gow series but this was way too hyped to now actually feel like the end of the world never really felt like the world was ending and the story was shaky bosss fights underwhelming
"Odin isn't evil" like he doesn't spend half of his first scene abusing Thor.
Of course it’s bad once I heard this was the last game in Norse mythology and you still have so many characters to flush out but instead you squeeze them in one game that’s when I knew this game’s story was gonna be hilarious. Waiting all this time for the battle with Thor at the door they made him a walking simulator throwing Mjolnir at walls instead of Kratos. 🤣 You can’t get any worse than that in my opinion. I’m a mythology buff and I was completely disappointed in this games story and don’t even get me started on Helheim. 👀👀👀
Fenrir actually does two things in Ragnarok. Kills a dragon, and saves everyone from ragnarok with realm tears. Hm I wonder WHY Atreus would want his dog back. HM IDK MAYBE HE CARES FOR HIM?????? Video bait btw. I can explain the whole story to you but I can't understand it for you.
Instead of developing this crap, they should've gone for the idea where the titan carrying the temple being discovered by the military in modern time.
That's an insane callback :D
How the "smartest man alive" didn't see through Odins protrail as Tyr is Infuriating
It’s not like Odins disguise as tyr was that easy to see through. Also you have to consider that mimir was with kratos for most of the game before the reveal. Lastly tyr and mimir were friends so the last thing he would do is think of tyr as a traitor
@@beegdawg maybe not only Odin used to call her like that
Just because someone is the smartest man alive it doesn't make them omniscient or immune to emotions
@@beegdawg 1st mimir must of also called her frigg since he was a friend of Odin
2nd Tyr was locked up for so long it would not surprise me that he would call her frigg since that was probably her name before he was locked up
@@Gamecrack4269 You’re making so many assumptions that the plot just doesn’t show. Mimir barely, if at all calls Freya Frigg
There’s no evidence for how long the raven was there. For all we know he could have just arrived.
Surtr’s a primordial. Odin can’t just kill him like nothing
The og GOW games are some of my favorite of all time. These two new ones just aren’t the same. Dad of war . Mellow drama . Gods who don’t look or act like gods . I was waiting for Odin to change forms or something . In the end, I was on Odin’s side! I wanted the answers! I thought he or Atreus would look inside & see other realms/universes . That’s why we find Mayan & Egyptian artifacts in the game . Horrible ending . Terrible pacing . Fun combat . 5/10
Best part of the game were the berserker fights. Worst parts were the Derptier Spear, no Mjolnir and of course the Atreus sections.
Ur criticisms about ragnorok being too short and surtur being useless were spot on for the most part bus surtur did distract a lot of odins army and the big laser thing they were hitting the towers with, without surtur kratos and atreus would've had to deal with a lot more, but overall surtur should've done a lot more yes
Game is called 'Ragnarok' but the actual Ragnarok lasts 30 mins tops. A 'war' that ends like Endgame with a happy ending where the heroes suffer no real losses. We spend 5x that time riding a fucking yak... ridiculously overrated game.
Edit: hahahaha you mentioned the same thing. It absolutely is the most glaring flaw in the entire game.
I will never understand how kratos actually beat heimdall, shouldn't heimdall be able to predict the future? Even if kratos stopped thinking so he couldn't mind read him he can still use his foresight power he is the god of fucking foresight, and even with the spear's infinite copies it still doesn't make sense he can still foresee it and simply dash towards kratos and punch him before he detonates the spears
"His senses were *over populated* "
@@cookingwithkratos that still doesn't make sense let's say the infinite copies can overload him, he should still be able to predict the detonation he is clearly much faster than kratos why couldn't he sprint towards him and just tackle him to the ground?
"Tell me about Heimdall he see's the future"
"More like reads the person, see's their intent"
There I just quoted the game for you
Incredibly good video. You made some very good points. I already had many reasons on why the story was very disappointing but, for example, it never occurred to me how contradictory it was when Atreus wanted to manipulate Surtr but at the same time he was a sentimental pussy all the game trying to help and save people. Also, as you said, the whole point of going to get surtr was to eliminate Odin, but at the end it seems Asgard is destroyed for literally no valid reason lol
Surtr's primary job was to start Ragnarok & destroy Asgard and that's what happened. Also did you forget when midway Kratos decides to send Frey & Freya to slow him?
@@josephchristophermcdonalda6666, don't bother lol. The takes in this video and of its supporters are downright laughable.
@@terrencemedders1867 Yeah but i wanted to try.
@@josephchristophermcdonalda6666 Surtr doesn't even want to destroy anything, he just want to be left alone but Atreus manipulated him and used him as a weapon (which contradicted Kratos' character about not wanting to use anyone as weapon). Then for some stupid reason, when Surtr became Ragnarok, he just mindless beast.
@@zeroskaterz92it’s because he didn’t have enough time as ragnarok, if I remember correctly they literally stated that in the beginning of the war.they almost instantly start ragnarok after surtr becomes ragnarok
Don't forget the cringe dialogues... No-one talks about these flaws... How can a Norse God even say words like "wtf","a-hole","ex","shit" etc.
But you see, they have to make the Norse *GODS* "relatable" to the audience and yaddayaddayadda... You see where this is coming.
Man, now this just made me appreciate Comic Marvel Thor's dialogue even more. Dude speaks like he came straight out of Shakespeare's writings, but it's precisely what fits his type of character. Obviously none of the GOW characters are heroic anough to fit into Marvel Thor's whole "noble warrior" shtick, but I expected them to be at least somewhat larger-than-life. Be it the for the good or for the bad.
Modern writers.
Regarding the beginning, what makes you think Odin and Thor would just leave after Kratos accepts the deal? They could just hang around, talk Kratos' ear off about what HIS end of the deal would entail. Keep in mind how hard Odin front-loads his end. You really think he wouldn't try to snake and weasel Kratos and Atreus (it's really Atreus he wants anyway) into giving up more than they did when Kratos just said "no"? It's textbook manipulation tactics.
I don't think I'll keep watching, but if anyone wants to dicuss or tell me about points in the video that are extra poignant, I'll be happy to have encouraged discussion 😁
Good Points,Sorry wich this opinion wont get more popular because The dogma of this "10/10 Masterpiece"
lmao "Atreus being an emotional idiot" bro he is a 14 year old with a lot of questions, its kind of expected.
there is an entire video explaining Odin's psychology
So many things that were rushed. I also didn't like how Freya considered to forgive Kratos so abruptly. The game is a cosmic disappointment. It doesn't deliver on almost (if not all) any of the promises of its predecessor. In my opinion, this is the worst "God of War" game.
It wasn't until Kratos opened up about his past that she realized they were actually similar. She didn't know about Lysandra and Calliope, or his brother Deimos, or why Kratos killed the Greek Pantheon and destroyed Olympus. After getting her freedom back and wanting Revenge against Odin, it was a realistic reaction for her to forgive him.
@@enterthekyuubi I am talking about before that. She was about to kill Kratos and all of a sudden she thought that he might help her out. It was dumb and abrupt for me.
@@yokotubene its dumb and abrupt for you because you are dumb and didnt listen while playing the game
@@looneyllama Nope. It's dumb and abrupt because I understood the set up of the last game unlike you. Ragnarok doesn't live up to the set up/build up of the last game.
@@yokotubene i understood the setup of the last game, and god of war ragnarok lived up to the setup
I also think that the entire mask sub plot was horrible so we agree there too. I wish they would have done something with Finrir too. Im gonna chalk that up to this game being way too rushed
I agree about having fenrir be in the story more and they definitely rushed a couple parts, but he does the most significant thing at the end of the game: he takes us out of asgard when it's about the get destroyed by ragnarok. Everyone in the main cast would've died after killing odin and destroying asgard. And only because fenrir opened a portal WITH ANGRBODA TO GUIDE HIM, he saved us all.
It’s a common trait in fiction for characters be presented as intelligent for the most part, but then do something dumb in the last minute for plot convenience. Especially with villains. So it was silly what happened with Odin, but not any sillier than how a lot of Bond villains behave before they die. I do agree with a lot of your points, though. Even though I still liked the story, mainly because if characters like Sindri.
"It's bad, but it was also bad in other things, so it's okay".
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