Warriors of Chaos vs Wood Elf Realms - The Old World (Battle Report)
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WARRIORS OF CHAOS
++ Characters [668 pts] ++
Chaos Lord [365 pts]
(Flail, Full plate armour, Shield, Mark of Chaos Undivided, General, Manticore, Crown of Everlasting Conquest, Favour of the Gods)
Exalted Sorcerer [170 pts]
(Hand weapon, Light armour, Mark of Chaos Undivided, Level 2 Wizard, On foot, Infernal Puppet, Daemonology)
Exalted Champion [133 pts]
(Additional hand weapon, Heavy armour, Mark of Chaos Undivided, On foot, Favour of the Gods)
++ Core Units [717 pts] ++
20 Chaos Marauders [177 pts]
(Hand weapons, Light armour, Shields, Mark of Chaos Undivided, Marauder Chieftain, Standard bearer, Musician)
18 Chaos Warriors [270 pts]
(Additional hand weapons, Heavy armour, Mark of Chaos Undivided, Champion, Standard bearer, Musician)
18 Chaos Warriors [270 pts]
(Hand weapons, Heavy armour, Shields, Mark of Chaos Undivided, Champion, Standard bearer, Musician)
++ Special Units [400 pts] ++
5 Chosen Chaos Knights [241 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Full plate armour, Mark of Chaos Undivided, Champion, Standard bearer [War Banner], Musician)
3 Chaos Spawn [159 pts]
(Flailing Appendages (Hand weapons), Scaly Skin (Heavy Armour), Spawn of Slaanesh)
++ Rare Units [215 pts] ++
Hellcannon [215 pts]
(Doomfire, Hand weapons)
WOOD ELF REALMS
++ Characters ++
General: Treeman Ancient
Level 4, a murder of spites
Magic: Elementalism
Spells: Flaming Sword, plague of Rust, summon elemental spirit, travel mystical pathway
Spellweaver
Level 4, warhawk, spear of twilight, lore familiar, talismanic tattoos, annoyance of netlings
Magic: illusion
Spells: glittering robe, miasmic mirage, column of crystal, spectral doppleganger
Branchwraith
Level 2, great weapon, a blight of terrors
Magic: illusion
Spells: Glittering robe, spectral doppleganger
Branchwraith
Level 2, great weapon
Magic: battle
Spells: Hammer hand, Pillar of fire
++ Core ++
5 glade guard, hagbane tips
12 dryads, nymph
12 dryads, nymph
11 dryads, nymph
++ Special ++
3 treekin, elder
++ Rare ++
2 Great Eagles
Treeman
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Pot shot.
Honestly really tempted by this, to support a channel which I have only recently discovered, which gives some of the best battle reports (in my humble opinion). Only really interested in The Old World (new editions of 40k just don't scratch the itch like the older editions did, what are command points & why are there SO many special rules?! Haha). Honest question, is there lots of Old World planned? I'll probably going for that alone...
@@marcuscribbhistory so we have a battle report and Two episodes of our first campaign with another battle report dropping this week
really enjoy the close-up shots of the models enabling viewers to appreciate the paint jobs without camera moving. Thank you SN Battle Reports!
You are very welcome Ed 😃
"Never send in cavalry without infantry support". I learned this the hard way on Monday! I was playing with my lizardmen against chaos dwarfs. I sent my cold ones into a unit of 10 gunners and my tooled up oldblood on carnosaur into a smaller unit of 5 blunderbuss wielders. Both bounced and were despatched in subsequent turns. I've never played against dwarfs before and I'll never underestimate their toughness again!
It’s all about target priority and knowing what you are facing more than anything.
Ouch! Yer good lesson to learn 😅
Comment for all super nerds: the spear of twilight indeed doesn't have +2 S, but it doesn't matter anyway because the spear always wounds on a 3+ 😂
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Those wood elf models are absolutely gorgeous, just incredible!
Agreed! ❤️
He’s done an awesome job on them!
Also I think the hellcannon should be named "old faithful" for the irony.
I couldn't agree more haha
haha love it!
Haha yer it’s certainly old 😂
Thoroughly enjoyed this and new to the channel! Great job guys! Learnt so much about the old world from you both. One thing I’d seen in the woodies book though is that, whilst not brilliantly written, I think that non-forest spirits can use forest spirit’s inspiring presence. The forest spirit rule comprises several sentences about the interactions, but not one that would rule the above out, so I think that the spell singer in this game could have used the Treeman Ancient’s LD if she was in range.
Will take a look thanks! Welcome to SN
Hell yeah lads! Loving your Old World stuff!
Glad you are enjoying the content!
Thanks Punchy!! Appreciate the support 😊
Glad to see you back to the Old world. Great looking armies, imo GW has no shortage of great looking giant bird models but 'Super Nerd' Chris picked some particularly exquisite ones i've not seen before. Also gotta love making your mandatory throwaway unit of Gladeguard look so good.
Cool, thanks! Remember we now have extra content on SN+
Yer they were the LOTR eagles I think, such a cool idea
A couple names: Harold the Hellcannon, The Gift Giver, Randy the Rando, DK's Bane, the Party Cannon
That was great battle report, btw!
Love them all! Thanks 🙏🏽
I believe you should call your chaos artillery "Whathe" so you can yell "Whathe Hellcannon?!?" when it misfires.
Bahaha love it
This is genius 😂😂😂😂
Pillar of Fire doesn't hit you when you go over it because it just uses Dangerous Terrain to hit you instead - imo it's better to count it as just getting hit by the spell rather than DT, but that's 100% not the real rule.
Yeah DC and I talked about this off camera and agreed that going forward we would take hits from vortexes if we move through them. It doesn't make sense to us that a raging fire tornado can do damage to you when it moves through a unit, but then in the following turn a unit can walk through it without getting hurt. It doesn't sit well with us. Mountain miniatures also play it the same way we done it.
Loving seeing Chris and his Forest Spirit army. Always a pleasure.
I'm suggesting "Burp" as the name of the hell canon. 😂
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Chris, why didnt you flank charge the lord on manticore with the Dryads first chance they got, instead they went through the woods to hit the Chaos spawn?
Love that you did the tree revenants as the core! I had that same thought when i considered an all forest spirit army. it looks beautiful well done!
It’s a fantastic army
Demonic vigor lasts "until the end of the turn", while other enchantments last "until your next start of turn subphase". Does this mean that Demonic vigor wouldn't carry over into your opponent's turn after cast?
Are you playing the Treeman Ancient as 360 Deg los? Don't think that applies to a Behemoth... Great report
Nah mate we were using his arcs only. Were you thinking for plague of Rust? If so, it's maybe the camera angle. But I used the laser line check during the game off camera and he was in arcs :)
@@Chris_da_WaaaghI think it was that charge into the Manticore, on camera looked like it was going backwards
Yeah the charge into the Manticore and the Stand and Shoot looked like they went backwards. Spectral Dop on the Branch wraith is very good...I would suggest popping any attacks left onto the BW next time, try to kill her off. Loving your reports lads, keep them coming.
Ahh it's the way the Treeman was modelled on the 50mm square base to get it to fit. It's actually looking at the manicure with the sword blade across it's body. Kinda difficult to see without a close up of the ancient and it blending into the battlefield (totally intentional) haha
Yeah it’s just weird with the position of the tree man on the base
Burn those dice or just use them for leadership tests! Loved the game.
Haha thanks boss
We’re both cursed, no matter the dice 😂😂😂
Forests are awesome. Where can i buy it or see how to make them ?
Units of 5 wide in TOW is not optimal in terms of offense. I usually rock Chaos Warrior in bricks of 6x3 (you only get a +2 rank bonus anyway). I see a lot of people go much wider, 7x3, 8x2, 10x2. Or rock Chosen in 10x2 which turns into 15 wide with 'Drilled' on the charge for 30+ attacks. 'Fighting Rank' encourages width to a sometimes ridiculous degree. I don't love how it looks on the tabletop, but them's the rules.
That’s for the feedback buddy I think 5?wide wins more combat resolutions because if the rank bonuses but all depends what units you are using I agree
I would name the hellcannon the "The capricious Hag" because always grumpy, bitter and unreliable 😂
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great battle report! it's good to folks playing in good humor even if things go absolutely terribly wrong, and happy for their opponent's successes, even as they try to win.
How it should be ♥️
I belive you can not use shield in melee with your chaos Lord since he use flail a 2-h weapon. I think you actually even said that in the presentation 😂
Still you used the shield bonus in melee versus the tree man.
You're right! How did we miss that lol.. gahhh a simple oversight. Aw well I hope it didn't detract too much from a fun, narrative type battle. Cheers :)
Good spot thanks!
Where do I get that leather face mini
I will let DC reply to you on this one!
So it’s a ‘normal’ Warriors of Chaos champion with a head swap! I think it might be an Avatars of war head? But can’t remember haha
@@sn_dc amazing mini. I can’t find it sadly. Would skin for one Jks haha
Late in the game, Leatherface and friends made a charge over the elemental spirit, you should have -1 M and roll 2d6 drop the highest for charge range due to the dangerous terrain. I think you wouldn't have made it with the 3 and 3 M as you said it was a 7" charge.
That's *MISTER* Super Nerd to you, thankyouverymuch.
haha that's right!
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It's seems to me that the undevided LD rerolls are actually quite powerful! Several units would have suffered fear without it. Also would have been a nightmare to film lol
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Totally agree! I think it’s underrated as an option!!
Fantastic battle again. Chris's armies all look lovely. And DC's look superb too. I love the old world content
Glad you like them!
Spectral doppelganger doesn't let you choose the weapon it uses, it uses the weapon you pick for that combat, so if the character attacks with a hand weapon the spectral doppelganger spell uses those stats. If you want it to use the great weapon stats you must use the great weapon to fight with.
FAQ page 6, weapons of war
@@Chris_da_Waaagh Spectral doppelganger strictly says resolved using the characteristics AND special rules of the caster and any weapon they carry. It is not a normal assailment spell. page 331 Rulebook. Special rules always override general rules page 165 for rule priority.
@@Chris_da_Waaagh However re-reading the spell it does you allow to use any weapon he carries which is cool and something I missed.
@@crisisgear the FAQ will trump all. If a weapon that confers always strike first doesn't mean the caster can cast an assailment spell at initiative 10, then it will mean that a weapon that has strike last does not mean the caster must strike at initiative 1. So the branchwraith can cast spectral doppleganger at initiative 6, and use the weapon. But when I actually go to use her two attacks normally in combat, I do strike at initiative 1. It does mean that you do not get armourbane (1) for the great weapon when using it as part of the spell however which I did miss.
Now there is a case to argue that it wouldn't even confer the +2S and Ap-2, but overall this specific case needs FAQ'd
@@Chris_da_Waaagh True but the FAQ is in general for assailment spells. Where as spectral doppelganger states in its use and rules what to use. I do agree though it needs further FAQ as no other assailment spell works like this. Thanks for the responses and conversation.
Heads up, your spell weaver on a Giant eagle has 4 wounds not 3. She would have lived
I think unfortunately she was just mounted on a warhawk so no +1 wound :(
@@Erebus-oc9zq :(
Did you do the Forest Spirit rule correctly? It only says units with it can’t use leadership of units without it, not the other way around?
Excellent! Just seen this report uploaded & watching it now. I think you two chaps have a great style/friendship/chemistry. Love the style. Great to see a variety of armies, two I always wanted to collect... still tempted by wood elves, but as my heart is dwarven, that is difficult! Right, battle is about to start... 🤘
Glad you enjoyed it buddy
Love the old metal chaos knights, some of my first warhammer models in 2004 (storm of chaos).
I think you could have used challenges so that way you avoid the spelltosser sttack your units with his combat spell. Always allocate attacks on champions when you can 😊
Agreed
This was so good, as I hope. It prompted me to become a "member" of the channel, as it has been my favourite Old World content since the release. Keep up the good work fellow nerds! 🎲🎲🎲
Wow, thank you!
I don't think it's fair to use what happened to these Chaos Knights against the unit. They're powerful yes, but you can't expect them to be immortal. They were fighting a unit that had a Caster with a spell dedicated to killing tough, heavily armored units in melee. With you also having nothing to dispel it. If we wanted to be completely fair, they were actually fighting an uphill battle points wise. You spent 241 points on your Chaos Knights, while 11 Dryads (w/ Nymph) with a level 2 Branchwraith with a Great Weapon is 262 points.
Love the RP aspects behind the battles, and love seeing Warriors of Chaos Battle Reports. Subscribe and hope to see some more WoC soon!
I really enjoy TOW but i find the stacking of already v good armour saves with ward and regen on some models to be very jarring! Possibly an unpopular opinion but it really interferes with the gameplay and the stacked saves feel very 40k
I think this is the toughest part of the game ATM.. to fight something like a lord on monstrous mount that has a good armour save, ward save and regen. It's tough to chew through.
@@Chris_da_Waaagh agreed. It affects the characters most, especially when they have 6 wounds as you need a tailor-made counter to them.
I cheered for you DC and you lost to walking firewood!
Oh dont let Pardo buy the Zombies until you got my stuff 😉
That will spare you some money.
Chris your firewood looks great!
Raphie... This is war now. I'll make sure I rip every page out of that new book of grudges lol
@@Chris_da_Waaagh Next grudge... Chris threatens to destroy the holiest of holies, a book of grudges.
I would love to solve those grudges with my Empire army or I borrow my wifes Dwarfs (she is the real Dwarf in the family), would be more thematic.
Perhaps both?
Unfortunately that impossible right now because of, reasons. But I would love to.
Btw. our little (friendly) hackling got me the insipration to build a firewood army with burnmarks.
If you pursue into a unit that does a FBIGO then you count as a new combat, things like Hatred and Flails pop back up.
Hey mate, unfortunately it doesn't count as a new combat, it just gives you your bonuses for charging again etc. specifically the flail Strength benefit only applies in the first round of combat. I believe this was in the FAQ. If the strength bonus from the flail counted only when the model charged then he would get it when I FBIGO but it is only in the first round of combat.
Yes Chris is correct
Great game! I really wanted to see that tree whack hit home at the end 😂
Thanks Darren 😃
Both armies are painted awesomely.
Spectral dopplegager... the spell goes off when the "wizard is chosen to fight." At initiative the characters have to wait till the end to pop off that spell.
Chris pulled this shit against the Beastman in a previous battle report and I absolutely demand that he cease and desist.
Not played a table top game for 4 years now.... I miss it. Should get started again.^^*
Genuinely the old world is alot of fun. Alot has to do with who you play. I found my love for the hobby again when I started picking a theme for an army and then building a list around that.
I hope the videos peak your interest and get you involved again.
@@Chris_da_Waaagh Yes it sure does. As I said before, you guys do the best battle reports. Not had the time to get involved again, but I think I will this summer. Have a bunch of slaanesh in my pile of shame I am thinking of using.^^
@@00Kuja00 nice! I have about 1000pts of slaanesh daemons still in the box that I would love to get built and painted. It just takes me a really long time to get done lol
@@Chris_da_Waaagh I bought mine back in 2015 just before AoS happened.^^*
@@00Kuja00 you should make a 1000 point army list out of what you have, then build and paint it over the course of 4-6 months. Then expand afterwards :)
You should name the hell cannon "Spanish Inquisition" because nobody expected that charge
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I think you're playing the timing wrong with spectral doppelganger on the branchwraiths as a GW sets your int. to 1 during the whole round with a great weapon so the spell will be cast at int 1 not 6.
FAQ page 6, weapons of war
Great battle report and great looking armies and terrain. The wood elves look awesome! How did you paint those? Are there more pictures with close-ups available anywhere?
Check out out socials buddy!
The light bark colour is:
Prime with zandri dust spray.
Wash with a mix of wildwood contrast paint, contrast medium and flow improved (3:1:1)
Very lightly dry brush baneblade brown
Layer highlight Vallejo brown sand
@@Chris_da_Waaagh Thanks for the recipe, Chris! Great paint job on that army. Looks amazing
@@DS_painting thank you, really appreciate it. It takes about 50-60mins per dryad but much much much more for the treekin and treemen lol.
Beautiful terrain! May I ask where you bought the battle mat from?
Pworks buddy
EPIC intro!!! It honestly made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up! GORGEOUS wood elves! Aww you guyz
Thanks so much!!
do you also have a woodelves list with a non forestspirit theme? like with a character on a dragon and more elves?
Was that level 2 brand wraith within 18" to be able to dispel?
Was indeed
Yes sir!
The Wood Elf Army is wonderfully painted
Am I missing something from a combo? How did spectral doppelgänger wreck the chaos warriors on the right flank without the spellsinger in combat? I thought it was an assailment spell?
The branchwraith also had spectral doppleganger with her great weapon and she was in the unit of dryads :)
I’ve just seen Chris has already replied 😃
Thanks! By the way does assailment go off at the caster’s unmodified initiative step?
@@cavemansam8400 yeah assailment spells go off at the casters initiative. For reference, that's the actual models initiative, so if they armed with a great weapon, it doesn't take them to initiative 1. Also, if they have the sword of swiftness to give them always strike first, this doesn't mean the assailment spell goes off at initiative 10. It's always the casters initiative attribute
@@Chris_da_WaaaghCheers I appreciate that. Couple of questions about how mounts and profiles combine. Forrest dragon is listed as having plate armour, would you add this to the lord’s light armour/shield? And if the spell singer is on dragon doea she have a 4+ for all of her wounds? Also for Chaos chariots, no separate profile is given for them when used as a mount to combine with a character’s stats as a boost as per other mounts. Do you combine their profiles? And if not how does it work for attacking them with melee and shooting?
Nice to see another TOW BR
More on SN+ if you need a fix 😆
Just won a Texas GT with chaos warriors
Awesome! What did you take?
Epic! That’ll never be me 😅😅
@@SNBattleReportsDragon lord 3x3 dragon ogre Chimera 2x5 knights 20 marauder flails 2x5 marauder horse 5 doggos. No wizard as made the list a bit softer for the GT. Hard list cuts the chimera and flail chaps for a lvl 4 wizard on horse with puppet. Feels very optimal
@@sn_dcyou’d get best sportsman
Chosen Knights pay +9pts (or alternatively cost 133% of the cost of) regular knights for +1A, +1LD, Stubborn, Counter Charge and a 6+ ward - they're really way better than regular knights. Arguably everything in WoC is too expensive but comparatively they're good.
Might be best to think of it in terms of: Would I rather have 8 regular Knights, or 6 Chosen Knights? I think the Chosen Knights are the better choice every time.
Chosen knights are definitely the better choice, regular knights are pretty pants in comparison. Although only 1 wound for a 40+ point model hurts.
Yeah me and DC spoke about this the other day. Deffo chosen is the competitive pick
I just struggled to see the value in them for this game! But I’ll try again 😅
This Hell cannon should be called Gnasher like from the Beano.
Hahaha
skirmishers don't have flanks or rear so shouldn't have gotten that +2 bonus against them!
Hey mate, I interpret this differently. Pg 184 facing and line of sight states that "whilst in skirmish formation, models do not have flank or rear arcs giving skirmishers a 360 vision arc. Pg 185 mentions skirmishers in combat, para 2 in that sub section makes it as if the units form up and are then on completion of combat adopt skirmish formation again. This means the unit probably only has no flank or rear arcs for vision, not no actual flank or rear
The wood elf player clearly likes a challenge!
I didn't know I can cast combat spells even thought it's not Ur turn
Yes
SuperNerd Battle Reports! :D
what are those chaos knight models? I don't recognise them!
The classic old metal Chaos Knights
Without any doubt 100% the best batreps on UA-cam.
Thanks 🙏🏽
I think the Hellcannon should be called Toby. It looks like a Toby
My dog is called Toby 😂 doesn’t look like him though
Harsh the cannon looks much cooler than me😂
Молодцы ребята ✊🏻 красивые армии,красивая игра,лайк
Thanks very much
The dangerous terrain for the summoned forest doesn't effect friendly units, only enemy units.
This wasn't the summoned forest from tree singing, this was the woodland ambush forest that is meant to be placed before the game commences, but we forgot so we spring it up in the first turn and classed it as difficult and dangerous. You are thinking of the tree singing magic wood that can be cast
@@Chris_da_Waaagh Aaaaa thank you, I got confused :)
the hell cannon should be named Betsy
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woah, seriously out wizarded... I think I know how this will go... lucky they didn't start on the tabletop... but still, could get messy, I have issues with this magic system... not a fan.
Enjoy the game buddy
So disappointed it’s been 3 months since the last Old World game :(
@@JaykeHallOfLegends disappointed?
@@SNBattleReports yes, because we want more old world! 😆
Not sure it mattered but the chaos dwarf crew would be +4 initiative (not +3) when the hellcannon charged as they charged the flank or rear of an enemy. p146: Charging an enemy in the flank or rear.
Good spot 😉
Herbert the Hellcannon. Because alliteration is fun.
😂
Along the same vein… Howard “How’d I Miss Her?” the Howitzer.
Speaking from ignorance but... Isn't hellcannon an artillery unit? Or does it behave as a chariot on combat? Just saying as they are using cannon toughness for wounding 😮
The Hellcannon is very different as it’s sort of alive lol 😆
Yes! Super Nerds battle reports FTW!
Hahaha 🙌🏽
Blunder Belcher!
Diablo cannon
Good job Hellcannon
He’s the best 😆
you can wait to use the coin after you roll your to hit rolls
Great batrep!
Yes it was!
Chaos Spawn have a stomp attack.
They know, they used it later.
Just forgot it first.
Sorry we forgot in the first combat remember later on
i take it old world is dead on SN?
For now yes buddy we explain it in out update video if you want to watch it.
@@SNBattleReportsI will that’s a major shame I loved the way you did it
We want more Videos ❤🎉
Treemen stats are absolute rubbish. They used to be combat monsters back in the day!
Their defence is pretty decent with t6, 5w, 4+, 5++ , but I agree their offensive power is somewhat lacking. They need unbreakable in my opinion
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Always a good day to see super nerd himself, @chris_da_waaagh in a batrep
Glad you enjoyed it
Always good to see super nerd @davidpreece1188 in the comments section 😂
@@Chris_da_Waaagh 😂😂