Tyranny of the Weak: Weaponizing Victimhood
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- Опубліковано 27 кві 2024
- When we see weaponized victimhood masquerading as self-sacrifice, a martyr complex may be at work.
Individuals with a martyr complex often seek validation for their pain and suffering, which can be a source of protection and nurturing. It can also be a form of manipulation where personal suffering is used to influence or control the reactions of others. This behavior can be harmful, leading individuals to persist in unhealthy relationships or dangerous situations under the guise of nobility or duty.
It is important to distinguish between healthy self-sacrifice and detrimental martyrdom by gaining a reflective understanding of our motivations and aligning our actions with healthy self-sacrifice. Resolving the complex involves examining personal motives, societal values, and psychological health to foster healthier ways of being and interacting in the world.
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So true. There’s a reminder one might get in 12 step fellowships that points out that depending upon how constant the victimization occurs, one isn’t a victim, but in actuality, a volunteer.
"We all know these people"
Do we? You seem like observers rather than experiencers. Some people, speaking from experience, don't know how to ask for what they need, having been shamed for having needs and shut down and told they were weak when they tried. People pleasing, even fawning to feel safe. Like the elephant tied to the post, when they actually do have the power and opportunity to interact differently, without intervention or personal growth, don't recognize the old pattern in themselves that keeps them overdoing and yearning for the recognition and relief from others that , if they were self aware, they could provide for themselves. It's a tragic dance that often draws the disgust of others rather than the acceptance and validation they are seeking at the core of martyrdom behaviors.
We are so fortunate to live in this time of information and understanding so available on platforms like this. To have mirrors held up to us and the opportunity to awaken to our own patterns, and do something about it.
Thank you for all I learn here. Sometimes a "rude awakening", but I would prefer any awakening to remaining asleep ❤
A little painful to listen to as I know it applies to me in a big way. As an adult in later life I know that I should be able to get past my childhood and the completely dysfunctional parenting that has left me starved for attention most of my life and unable to accept it when it comes my way. I recently came to realize that I am really uncomfortable with people caring about me. It seems therefore that something has always operated covertly in me to get attention through manipulation then being hurt when the other person feels resentment for what I have done. I have done my best to give that enterprise up. Even though I came to Jungian thought over thirty years ago the process of waking up has been so slow and it continues. I really don't know what a healthy relationship would feel like and perhaps never will. Having said all of that I am so grateful for what I understand. I am a musician of both violin and guitar so my life has a way to connect with people through a non verbal and very energetic way. I love what you three do. It is such a gift to the world.
I think there is an intense amount of societal expectation that are impossible to live up to, especially as a parent. Many don’t make a living wage and domestic labor is not valued. Many people are trapped and I wonder if we didn’t live in a time when capitalism was the popular religion if there would be as much weaponized victim hood as many are trying to find power where they can. Being raised to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and not ask for help in an extremely independent culture can cause this to come out sideways and I am not surprised this is so prevalent.
YEPPERS TY
NOT YELLING ALMOST COMPLETELY BLIND CAPS HELP STAY SAFE EVERYONE
Medusa is a particularly apt archetype of the weaponizing victim. She was raped by Zeus, cursed to carry an abhorrent appearance by Juno, made to turn everyone who viewed her to stone, and was finally murdered by Perseus, who utilized her curse as a weapon of his own. The paralysis her appearance caused in those who viewed her plight reflects the lack of productive response we tend to experience when subjected to "trauma bombing" from truly passive aggressive survivors. Their plight is all the sadder because there is so little we can do to help once we are immobilized by the guilt they evoke.
My sister has been trying to be understood for 65 years. 🙁. Apart from attention seeking it's also about her own sense of self being inadequate due to overbearing parenting. Quite the opposite of seeking attention, more along the lines of the ego wanting to hide by drawing more energy towards. Paradoxically.
Robert Moore's take on the sadistic side of the warrior archetype's shadow. There's nothing passive about "passive aggression" it should be rebranded as "covert aggression" as I heard someone say recently.
Okay now I got to watch the whole episode cause that situation with the dad and son really struck a cord... Cause that WAS my childhood :(
And recovering from it now, I can't lie I see WHY many do this. Cause to take back power/agency for oneself (in the right way) is honestly hard and long. Especially as a generational thing
This was a really awesome section on the talk. Definitely worth its own video
Victor Frankel, Between stimulus and response, there is a space. In that space is a power to choose our response.
In our response lies our growth and freedom.
Victor was one who survived concentration camps, but he understood the reality of it.
Rip 🙏 ❤ Aaron Busnell.
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Wonderful commentary compassionate…bipolar here, ptsd from maternal violence practiced against me thru out childhood, am an R survivor, ETC!! As you can imagine, l find the topic discussed tonight to be fascinating and one l would hope to revisit. Will contact
‘They just wish to be understood.’ Thank you I will remember this when I can sense a guilt trip or manipulation from a certain in-law. Do you have advice on how to get underneath what they are doing to move the relationship on from this dynamic?
Chronic Illness is often a result of repressed Parental Martyrdom. No one likes a Martyr, but the sick should not be blamed and must be seen with compassion… Only it often backfires, causing greater familial resentments.
So interesting I was thinking about this thought yesterday trying to write a poem out of it
I don't think the social function is complex- it is simple. All forms of change are essential- so the more people work together to this end, the better. The individual pioneer or groundbreaker has a place too.
Something something Nietzsche, something something Ressentiment.
I tried to be disciplined and not click on this video, but when got 666 views, I just had to. Because l had to grow up under the tyranny of a parent who held me and my siblings hostage under weaponized martyrdom, victimhood, triangulation etc. Parental alienation and scapegoating are all too real
So they can feel justified in their need to lick the envelopes 🎉
Trump comes front and center on this one. The grossly eternal victim!
@@Liberte-bq5rcVictimhood is an entire industry, ideology and religion on the left.
@@Liberte-bq5rc We cannot confuse a complex with the real victimization of populations! What do you think about the Zionist genocide in Gaza?
@@Liberte-bq5rc yes both sides are playing victim. the problem is not with one side but the whole.