As a retired substance use counselor, I have come to believe that "limerance" is much like a stimulant drug. There's an initial high that last 6 months or sometimes longer, and then later a crash when it becomes painful because this intense crush is not returned by the person with which one has fallen in love. I also wonder if some of us have a complex created from abandonment. fear of intimacy, and the belief that one is unloveable that leads to some sort of repetition compulsion which creates a tendency to fall for those unavailable to us. I love your singing Joseph. The mystics all long for union with the One.
I’m 34, never been in a relationship, lots of past trauma, and currently experiencing unrequited love. Deborah’s remark about “feeling these feelings safely” is a huge revelation… thank you 🙏
Sometimes with one I love, I fill myself with rage, for fear I effuse unreturn'd love. But now I think there is no unreturn'd love-the pay is certain, one way or another; (I loved a certain person ardently, and my love was not return'd yet out of that, I have written these songs. Walt Whitman
Oef Lisa when you said. "Longing is Divine...' I felt such a recognition. As if the sentence were Eros's arrow, pulsing with pixie dust. Maybe a future podcast subject?
I loved it. Joseph’s singing was perfect! The book “Divine Madness: Archetypes of Romantic Love” by John Haule also uses a Jungian lens to look at unrequited love. It helped me a lot as well and I recommend it to anyone suffering from unrequited love. I was in the throws of it for a good 5 years and am still slowly finding my way through it. It has been very painful and also transformative. Lisa, I appreciated what you said about the suffering needing to be felt and lived out. Hearing that made me feel okay about doing so.
I've never really understood the anger people have when others don't return their feelings. That has always puzzled me. I understand it a little bit more now. Also, Joseph, what an impressive singing voice!
This theme and discussion makes me think of "the fool" archetype in the tarot, which marks the first card in the major arcana and the beginning of the journey towards individuation. When love cannot be required, what is the medicine and what path does this set us on?
Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on Charles Taylor book A Secular Age, the idea of the buffered and Porous selves... disenchantment, discipline, individuality vs. Absorbing, Cosmic order, Spiritualism,
Linda Leonard's On The Way To The Wedding was the second book mentioned, just in case anybody else comes thru here before i relisten, what was the first book?
As a retired substance use counselor, I have come to believe that "limerance" is much like a stimulant drug. There's an initial high that last 6 months or sometimes longer, and then later a crash when it becomes painful because this intense crush is not returned by the person with which one has fallen in love. I also wonder if some of us have a complex created from abandonment. fear of intimacy, and the belief that one is unloveable that leads to some sort of repetition compulsion which creates a tendency to fall for those unavailable to us. I love your singing Joseph. The mystics all long for union with the One.
I’m 34, never been in a relationship, lots of past trauma, and currently experiencing unrequited love.
Deborah’s remark about “feeling these feelings safely” is a huge revelation… thank you 🙏
31:39 Joseph's amazing technicolor solo (with zoom!)
Sometimes with one I love, I fill
myself with rage, for
fear I effuse unreturn'd love.
But now I think there is no unreturn'd love-the pay
is certain, one way or another;
(I loved a certain person ardently, and my love was not return'd
yet out of that, I have written these songs.
Walt Whitman
I adored Joseph’s musical take on R&H’s Cinderella 🎶
*We need more of this!*
Lisa, just got the book on Audible. God what a treat!!!! Your voice is utter honey dripping in my ears and such profound feminist lessons ❤.
Oef Lisa when you said. "Longing is Divine...' I felt such a recognition. As if the sentence were Eros's arrow, pulsing with pixie dust. Maybe a future podcast subject?
Been waiting on this one!!!! Thank you!
Hope you like it!
I loved it. Joseph’s singing was perfect! The book “Divine Madness: Archetypes of Romantic Love” by John Haule also uses a Jungian lens to look at unrequited love. It helped me a lot as well and I recommend it to anyone suffering from unrequited love. I was in the throws of it for a good 5 years and am still slowly finding my way through it. It has been very painful and also transformative. Lisa, I appreciated what you said about the suffering needing to be felt and lived out. Hearing that made me feel okay about doing so.
Boy , did I need THIS topic today 😂
Love your discussions. Great chemistry and wise insights. Thank you 🙏
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you all 🙏
I've never really understood the anger people have when others don't return their feelings. That has always puzzled me. I understand it a little bit more now. Also, Joseph, what an impressive singing voice!
Sing Joeseph! ❤
Yes!
Love your storytelling Joseph!😊
I love the discussion of the dynamic of projection of the golden shadow and the projection of anima/animus.
Excellent, thank you!
Joseph singing 😆🙏 love love love
A toxic relationship is another kind of unrequited love…u can actually suffer this in a full blown relationship
This theme and discussion makes me think of "the fool" archetype in the tarot, which marks the first card in the major arcana and the beginning of the journey towards individuation. When love cannot be required, what is the medicine and what path does this set us on?
Jimmy Stewart in the Philadelphia Story. How did the Katherine Hepburn character not fall for him?
Thank you.
Love this program!!!!😊
So lovely an episode
That stardust in many cases has a strong physical component, and ego gratification might also play a part. Let's be alert on that. How true are we?
Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on Charles Taylor book A Secular Age, the idea of the buffered and Porous selves... disenchantment, discipline, individuality vs. Absorbing, Cosmic order, Spiritualism,
Linda Leonard's On The Way To The Wedding was the second book mentioned, just in case anybody else comes thru here before i relisten, what was the first book?
The impossible love- why the heart must go wrong
By Jan Bauer
“Divine Madness: Archetypes of Romantic Love” by John Haule is one I highly recommend.
@@linli2798 Thank you Lin!
@@wr9733 Thanks for the recommendation, WR!
"We are morose like that.."😂
We are syncing
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Hmm
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