DIEGO MARADONA Was Already Dominating ENGLAND At 19 Years Of Age! (May 1980)

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  • @paullambert9291
    @paullambert9291 6 місяців тому +48

    I was at this game with my dad. We were sat next to a couple of Argentinians who went nuts every time he got the ball. Forget the hand of god. He’s not the only one who did that. Just admire the shear ability in days when massive angry defenders had the right to break your leg. For me the GOAT.

    • @JavierBF_NBA
      @JavierBF_NBA  6 місяців тому +3

      Great comment, thanks. You were very luck to watch him live.

    • @dt7449
      @dt7449 6 місяців тому +3

      amen to that mate, forget the hand of god, he was god.

    • @ArchieFatcackie
      @ArchieFatcackie 6 місяців тому

      Forget it?!??
      Do you think the reaction to the blatant cheating would have been the same if it was the other way round?
      The Argies would have walked off the pitch and still be whingeing about it to this day.

    • @trevoroconnor7133
      @trevoroconnor7133 6 місяців тому +3

      The greatest player ever. It’s not even close. The guy was a God on the pitch.

  • @davidrobinson2776
    @davidrobinson2776 7 місяців тому +48

    Every single time Maradona got the ball he made something happen. Not just n this game but in every single game he played. There will never be another like him.

    • @gweilospur5877
      @gweilospur5877 7 місяців тому

      There will never be a bigger cheat and drug addict than him.

    • @Halotest100
      @Halotest100 6 місяців тому +3

      100% agree. When you consider how bad the football pitches were during his time. His touch and control of a football in those conditions was God like.

    • @stuartwadlow9815
      @stuartwadlow9815 23 дні тому +1

      Plus defenders could get away with a lot more in those days

  • @MalTimeTV
    @MalTimeTV 7 місяців тому +21

    Maradona earned his place in history because of '86 and his exploits with Napoli - achievements which came after the notorious injury he received at Barcelona which hampered his dexterity for the remainder of his career. Early footage clearly shows his peak was during the first five or six seasons of his career when he was leaner, faster and more deceptive with the ball. And yet despite the recreational drugs and marathon partying which took off during his time in Europe, he was still seen as the stand-out player in world football. Mind-blowing.

  • @trudeausbackbone1304
    @trudeausbackbone1304 6 місяців тому +14

    A simply magnificent footballer.
    The greatest of all time.

  • @Al-pj4dj
    @Al-pj4dj 7 місяців тому +25

    Diego was the best footballer in the world at 19.

  • @stevehall6526
    @stevehall6526 6 місяців тому +12

    What a wonderful talent, superb player . Never to be forgotten 👍🏻

  • @nmw6674
    @nmw6674 6 місяців тому +23

    Best footballer to have played the game yet shamefully, people ignore his genius. They remember his handball in 86. Ok, fair enough, but those of limited intelligence ignore the fact that Shilton's 6ft couldn't outjump a 5'5" imp of sheer magnificence and have made a demon of Diego's pure beauty.
    Remove the politics, the idiosyncrasies and marvel at his astonishing abilities in taming a ball to create such art.
    Of course, many may speak of Pele, Ronaldo (the 2nd), Messi et al.... but this bloke.... wow... best there's ever been on a football field

    • @mizofan
      @mizofan 6 місяців тому +1

      Genius of course but certainly not the best, Argentina achieved more without him in his career. Pelé, Messi, C.Ronaldo, Cruyff and Platini too more effective.

    • @donramonramirez5141
      @donramonramirez5141 6 місяців тому +2

      ​@@mizofanNo te guíes por las " estadísticas " ... Observa el juego en si.
      Mira con atención como marcaban los ingleses a Diego cuando agarraba el balón ... Ya conocían su peligrosidad ... No marcaron igual al resto.
      Los ingleses " entraban fuerte, sin pegar ", e igual, corrieron peligro.
      JAMAS VI a otro jugador con el dominio de balón que tuvo Diego ... ☝️🇦🇷🇬🇧

    • @Dave-wh3hw
      @Dave-wh3hw 6 місяців тому +2

      ​@@mizofanWithout Maradona Argentina would never have won the World Cup in 86

    • @HoracioME
      @HoracioME 6 місяців тому +1

      agree 100 %

    • @cyrilrogan4069
      @cyrilrogan4069 6 місяців тому +1

      Absolutely right about Shilton...and I'm a Forest fan....he's got off lightly ever since...

  • @dt7449
    @dt7449 6 місяців тому +6

    This is why I was so upset when he died, he got involved in drug taking / the troubles in Naples and when u see footage like this, all that mattered to him was the ball. Absolute genius that’ll always be missed.

  • @sportsmanagementsolutions1251
    @sportsmanagementsolutions1251 7 місяців тому +14

    Sensational performance..Totally dominated games proceedings

  • @amirouchethelionofnumidia7092
    @amirouchethelionofnumidia7092 6 місяців тому +7

    Maradona would be worth 10 billion Gold Bullions today!!!

  • @kennethmunro7480
    @kennethmunro7480 6 місяців тому +6

    He was running the show at international level at 19 scary 👏👏🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

  • @edgarlopez6019
    @edgarlopez6019 6 місяців тому +2

    Maradona desde adolescente fue un crack....un talento sublime..

  • @giturra
    @giturra 6 місяців тому +4

    Along with Pele by far the greatest. They're in a different league of their own. There never was a more talented player or decisive (despite the quality of his team mates), a genius on the pitch, who played with the kind of physical beauty afforded to ballet, while 10 monsters were trying to half him in absolutely every game. The fouls he endured would have killed Messi, whos not half the player Maradona ever was. I saw them both at their peak, Messi was more consistent, no injuries, no drugs. but in terms of sheer talent, relevance, and capacity to win cups while playing with 10 stones as his team he was just unique. he could win worldcups even if playing alone. i saw maradona do things in important games Messi couldn't do playing with a team full of stars against Racing. period

    • @edgarlopez6019
      @edgarlopez6019 21 день тому +1

      Totalmente de acuerdo contigo ..Messi le limpia las botas al pibe de oro...

  • @WELLBRAN
    @WELLBRAN 6 місяців тому +5

    Valencia helped him a lot ..great player

  • @TopFak-f9m
    @TopFak-f9m 19 днів тому +1

    Maradona ❤😢

  • @alshort752
    @alshort752 6 місяців тому +5

    I went to that game he was ethereal.

  • @tonyprice-bm2fo
    @tonyprice-bm2fo 6 місяців тому +7

    Hated him after 86 for a while , but time heals . best of all time i think if not very close

    • @Kill--alllll---IDF
      @Kill--alllll---IDF 6 місяців тому

      Cheating on purpose perhaps wanted to get one over England Cos of the war in 82 , any other player 10 20 or 30 years
      Later wud have apologised but maradona never did, T Henry straight after the game felt very remorseful but Diego brain and heart was different

  • @roberttelford745
    @roberttelford745 6 місяців тому +9

    Imagine Maradona today with the protection afforded to players

  • @gerthie
    @gerthie 7 місяців тому +9

    Pure genius

    • @gweilospur5877
      @gweilospur5877 7 місяців тому +1

      Pure cheat.

    • @leehammett8717
      @leehammett8717 7 місяців тому

      ​@@gweilospur5877Finally someone states the obvious......the hand of God, the failed drug test - both will weigh heavily on his record

    • @dantolino1093
      @dantolino1093 6 місяців тому +1

      @@leehammett8717 You wish Mrs Shilton

    • @Dacio1202
      @Dacio1202 21 день тому

      ​@@gweilospur5877messi cheated with hand and taxes. Cr7 with taxes aswell. What do u say about that?

    • @gweilospur5877
      @gweilospur5877 21 день тому

      @@Dacio1202 I don’t have time for any of them. What’s your point?

  • @abididrees3866
    @abididrees3866 6 місяців тому +4

    I have been listening to this commentator for about 1000 years 😂

  • @richardcameron3762
    @richardcameron3762 6 місяців тому +3

    Lovely piece of history

  • @Reprobus3
    @Reprobus3 6 місяців тому +4

    Surely that's a clash of kits if ever there was one?

    • @johnmc3862
      @johnmc3862 6 місяців тому

      It was only 360p back then, made no difference.

  • @TheJuanmanuelacero
    @TheJuanmanuelacero 6 місяців тому +2

    Apart from Diego, and from the thought that the score was a little too harsh for Argentina that day, it's surprising the way England was defending. Way too forward6, at least in what's seen from the first half.

  • @mcharrisment4765
    @mcharrisment4765 6 місяців тому +1

    What a player he was - The G O A T

  • @jimodwyer219
    @jimodwyer219 6 місяців тому +1

    The GOAT

  • @moosehak
    @moosehak 7 місяців тому +7

    And to think, he was just 19 here and already the best in the world. The GOAT

    • @CodPatrol
      @CodPatrol 6 місяців тому

      If he’s the best at that age they must have had rubbish players back then, look how erratic his passing is

  • @Alecito282
    @Alecito282 6 місяців тому +1

    What a unique genius!!❤

  • @thetrevorosborne
    @thetrevorosborne 6 місяців тому +4

    genius

  • @kennethmunro7480
    @kennethmunro7480 6 місяців тому +5

    Magical had everything the greatest of all time just wish he was Scottish 😂😂🙌🙌⚽️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  • @thelonewolf127
    @thelonewolf127 6 місяців тому +1

    The true goat

  • @cod4787
    @cod4787 6 місяців тому +3

    MESSI and MARADONA are facing the same "problem". They are too good and genius for the rest of the team to understand them so eventually they go alone...

    • @WELLBRAN
      @WELLBRAN 6 місяців тому +1

      Messi is all hype that the kids fall for

    • @cod4787
      @cod4787 6 місяців тому

      @@WELLBRAN Hype? The greatest player ever is a hype? What ever..

    • @WELLBRAN
      @WELLBRAN 6 місяців тому +1

      @@cod4787 yep!

    • @cod4787
      @cod4787 6 місяців тому

      @@WELLBRAN I have nothing else to say after this dumb claim.

    • @WELLBRAN
      @WELLBRAN 6 місяців тому

      @@cod4787 good .suits me

  • @ملككاتلونيا
    @ملككاتلونيا 7 місяців тому +3

    2.30. Warm up for what will be happend in Mexico 86
    🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @Dinobaburas.
    @Dinobaburas. 6 місяців тому +3

    Big cart horse watson trying to keep up with Maradona miss match or what!

    • @MattPageUK
      @MattPageUK 6 місяців тому +1

      "Knocked his head against the knees of…"

  • @jamesstone9091
    @jamesstone9091 6 місяців тому +1

    Hated him. Loved him. The number one.

  • @fensterputzernuernberg
    @fensterputzernuernberg 7 місяців тому +1

    Maradona could have scored 4 easily.. If he was playing at his peak as he did do in 1986 he would have scored 6 Imo.

  • @conor85882
    @conor85882 6 місяців тому

    Best ever

  • @badabing8884
    @badabing8884 6 місяців тому

    Crazy that England have yet to face Messi.

  • @MrJeepsters
    @MrJeepsters 7 місяців тому +1

    On se rappelle plus de sa performance que du résultat du match (j'étais très contant pour les anglais).

  • @Baronvonfarron
    @Baronvonfarron 6 місяців тому

    England won that game 3-1. They have only every lost in 90 minutes to Argentina twice, one of which was by blatant cheating. England have won eight and also the last two games.

  • @mattmorris2602
    @mattmorris2602 6 місяців тому

    The third best Argentinian player ever, after Di Stefano and Messi

    • @candidodemanchuria6
      @candidodemanchuria6 6 місяців тому +1

      As an "Argentina Player" he'll never be 2nd to none

    • @القناةالتوثيقيةلااعمالالفناننب
      @القناةالتوثيقيةلااعمالالفناننب 6 місяців тому

      هذا خطاء كبير منك
      مارادونا لاعب الله المفضل لقد كرمة الله بكلمة كن فيكن
      اسواء مباراة لمارادونا
      افضل من اي مباراة هي الاقوي لميسي

  • @paulhiggins8662
    @paulhiggins8662 7 місяців тому +6

    The team Maradona "dominated" won 3-1!

    • @davidcarri1638
      @davidcarri1638 7 місяців тому

      I think England scraped a one nill / two nill win but unfortunately come the finals we not good enough as usual had a great side come 82 but unfortunately both keegan and brooking carrying injuries

    • @charlesjohn7492
      @charlesjohn7492 7 місяців тому +2

      He dominated more when it really mattered -- the 1986 World Cup quarterfinal in which he took full revenge for the unjust sending off of Antonio Rattin in the 1966 World Cup fix.

    • @gerthie
      @gerthie 7 місяців тому

      🤣🤣

    • @Nuttybott
      @Nuttybott 6 місяців тому

      @@charlesjohn7492 Well, in 1986 he was (apparently) allowed to use more parts of his body to score goals than he had been in 1980...

    • @charlesjohn7492
      @charlesjohn7492 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Nuttybott No other player has dominated a world cup to the extent Maradona did in 1986.The fact that one of his goals was scored with the hand was icing on the cake because it was against England and England had cheated Argentina in the fix of sixty-six.

  • @mrporsche4236
    @mrporsche4236 7 місяців тому +1

    This was maradonas peak. He was much better then later in his career

    • @camilomendez9704
      @camilomendez9704 7 місяців тому +8

      Not by a long shot. Did you see the 86 world cup. I mean the games not just the highlights. In this game he was unstoppable 1 v. 1. Later he become unstoppable no matter how you defended.

    • @andreaisonline
      @andreaisonline 7 місяців тому

      You must be an expert...

    • @elspencer6334
      @elspencer6334 7 місяців тому

      Of course he wasn't.

    • @mizofan
      @mizofan 6 місяців тому

      and his team lost- Argentina achieved more without him in his career. For all his genius he wasn't as great a team player, all rounder or general as various others

    • @elspencer6334
      @elspencer6334 6 місяців тому +1

      @@mizofan Are you mad?! Maradona's performance in the 1986 World Cup was the greatest display of teamwork ever seen - supporting, inspiring, covering the deficiencies of his inferior teammates.

  • @HoracioME
    @HoracioME 6 місяців тому

    England player number 5 = " A Donkey"

  • @Zone5062-x9d
    @Zone5062-x9d 6 місяців тому

    Maradona is more talented than messi but in his time he has no protection from arbitration

  • @elspencer6334
    @elspencer6334 7 місяців тому +3

    "Dominating" England. You know the result of this match, right?

    • @davidcarri1638
      @davidcarri1638 7 місяців тому +1

      Yes. We scaled a one nill result !
      But maradonna rang rings round our statuesque defence and after just missing what would have been an amazing goal learnt to place the ball with the instep of his foot instead and then went onto score probably the best ever goal against us I certainly have ever seen despite his faults he’s the best footballer of modern times and had to carry the expectations of a country on his shoulders
      Give credit where credit’s due ? Thank you

    • @elspencer6334
      @elspencer6334 7 місяців тому

      @@davidcarri1638It was 3-1; and Maradona has one 'n'. Can't you get anything right?

    • @samilturnali3875
      @samilturnali3875 6 місяців тому

      My God! When do the English people learn to be humble and tactful? They are so full of conceit (at least when it comes to football; yet I cannot claim the same for other departments of life). Just two incidents from the past that I personally witnessed:
      1- After this match, I remember having read an English football magazine (I forgot its name now), in which John Wark (a Scottish footballer who played for Ipswich Town then) commented that "For now, Keegan is better than Maradona!". I am sorry to say this but this is horseshit. I still wonder what got into Wark to make him say this bullshit. It was a shame for him...
      2- Back in June 2002, I came across an English little boy when they were in Turkey wih his family. I just wanted joke with him and asked him which team would win the World Cup 2002 in Japan. He did not even think about his answer and just uttered "England, of course!" Wow man; look at the level of self-confidence of a little brat. Some system must have produced such unrealistic expectations in people when it comes to football....
      Yet, I ain't heard no discussion about the third goal of England against Germany in the 1966 World Cup Final from the English Press. That goal should have been disallowed, for it did not go over the line.
      You see where I am getting at, amigo... Oh by the way, I am Turkish and have not lived in the UK so far....

    • @CodPatrol
      @CodPatrol 6 місяців тому

      @@samilturnali3875 Clearly never saw Keegan play

    • @samilturnali3875
      @samilturnali3875 6 місяців тому

      @@CodPatrol UA-cam has been around some time. I suggest you make the most of UA-cam and enrich your vision of football players. Even Keegan himself would have agreed with me on my comparison of him versus Maradona.

  • @a.tanner8524
    @a.tanner8524 6 місяців тому

    Dominating England 😂 And we still beat them 3:1 😂

    • @leanaltamiranda4446
      @leanaltamiranda4446 5 місяців тому

      What you say six years later? 😂

    • @a.tanner8524
      @a.tanner8524 5 місяців тому

      @@leanaltamiranda4446 The whole world saw how Argentina cheated to win. To this day that is how he is remembered.

    • @leanaltamiranda4446
      @leanaltamiranda4446 5 місяців тому

      @@a.tanner8524 to the english people but for the world is more remembered the second goal like the goal of the century

  • @ArchieFatcackie
    @ArchieFatcackie 6 місяців тому

    It doesn’t matter.
    He blatantly cheated and revelled in it.
    If it’s 1-1 going into the last 20 minutes the Argies we’re hanging on.
    The best player ever, but a cheat.

    • @johnmc3862
      @johnmc3862 6 місяців тому

      lol!!! All pro footballers have cheated or try to cheat.

    • @ArchieFatcackie
      @ArchieFatcackie 6 місяців тому

      @@johnmc3862
      This was the most blatant cheating you could see , but then he revelled in it.
      A cheat.

    • @Dacio1202
      @Dacio1202 21 день тому

      Messi cheated aswell. But people keep ignoring it when it comes to Maradona

    • @ArchieFatcackie
      @ArchieFatcackie 21 день тому

      @
      How did Messi cheat?

    • @Dacio1202
      @Dacio1202 21 день тому

      @@ArchieFatcackie Look up messi hand goal vs espanyol.
      Plus he cheated with taxes aswell

  • @leealtman
    @leealtman 6 місяців тому

    Considering the v low std of english football, esp at that time, completely incapable of stopping anyone without chopping them down hard, incapable of dribbling a single rival, or moving the ball quickly & accurately, providing the attack with nothing more than very poor long ball crosses, it is obvious that Maradona always excelled against England in WC 86 given that the style of play hadnt changed one inch. English football to this day fails to work enough on ball control, dribbling, fast 1-2s & continue to look like a the old armies lined up with bayonettes vs machine gun fast moving comandos. When will England recognise that they need to actually play with the ball ? IMO in WC86 Maradona was over-elevated to God level, whilst not being anywhere near as skilled as Pele at the same age, in greart part tot he terrible defending from mid ield and defense in in his most famous goal (not the one with his left hand).

    • @القناةالتوثيقيةلااعمالالفناننب
      @القناةالتوثيقيةلااعمالالفناننب 6 місяців тому

      مارادونا خلقة الله بشكل كرة
      فقد رواغ يد تلك اللتي ولدة امه
      بااختصار انه الافضل الي يوم القيامة وسيلعب في الجنه ليمتع اصحاب الجنة
      اما بيليه وغيره ماهم سوي اكذوبة امام هذا الخيال
      فقد ساندبيلية رئيس الفيفاالبرازيلي هافلانج مواطنه بثلاث كؤؤس وسمح لبيليه باللعب بكاس عالم وعمره15 بينما منع ذلك علي مارادونا وعمره16😂
      وكذلك الفيفاوالمافيا واللوبي الصهيوني والاعلام مساندةميسي للحصوله كاس العالم ليحطمو بذلك اسطورة مارادونا بالذات الذي زار فلسطين ورفع علمهم وقال اناقلبي فلسطيني ضد الصهيوني الذي يقتل الاطفال والنساءوالشيوخ
      ورفض جنسية امريكية ب100مليون
      لذلك حطموه من كاس90 وكاس94 بل قتلوه بعملية بسيط بالمخ وهل تعلم انه تم انتزاع قلبة واهدائه لبن يامين نتن ياهوا كهدية لااسرائيل ذالك القلب الذي اهان الصهينة وقال قلبي فلسطيني تم هذا الاكتشاف بعد تشريح الجثة فااخفوا هذي الحقيقة يهود الارجنتين والصهاينة
      فوقوا واعقلوا
      فقدتم تجميد كريستيانوا ايضا الذي كان ايضا يساند القضية الفلسطينية وجعلوة بدكة الاحتياط بكاس العالم وهو بقمة العطاء
      وخروج دي ماريا بنصف المبارة وهو بقمة العطاء صاحب الهدف والمتسبب بركلة الجزاء حتي لاينال افظل لاعب
      والمهمة مقصودة فقط لتكريم ميسي انهم الصهاينة ببساطة ياجدعان اقصوا المغرب المخيف والمؤهل
      انتم عقول قوة8 فولت
      لاتعقلون تخطيط عقول 1000 فولت😂😂😂😂

  • @neiljones9005
    @neiljones9005 7 місяців тому +3

    Hand of god cheater

    • @arleco12
      @arleco12 7 місяців тому

      Haha! Suck it!!

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 6 місяців тому

      Drug cheat as well.

    • @johnmc3862
      @johnmc3862 6 місяців тому

      @@lyndoncmp5751Sure the only footballer to take drugs try to fool the referee. 😅😅

    • @القناةالتوثيقيةلااعمالالفناننب
      @القناةالتوثيقيةلااعمالالفناننب 6 місяців тому

      بل عبقرية اظافها هذا اللا عب بامر الله الذي اعمي الابصار والكمبيوترات ونضر الحكام والجماهير انها ارادةالله ياسادة😂😂😂

  • @priyotongbram1966
    @priyotongbram1966 7 місяців тому +2

    Not as impressive as expected!

    • @mizofan
      @mizofan 6 місяців тому

      He's overrated, Argentina lost this and achieved more without him in his career.

    • @dantolino1093
      @dantolino1093 6 місяців тому +1

      As expected by your sister in manchester

    • @CodPatrol
      @CodPatrol 6 місяців тому

      @@dantolino1093 rattled

  • @clemfandango619
    @clemfandango619 6 місяців тому

    Lol. Argentina has a losing record vs England. Little rodent Maradona couldn't change that.

    • @dantolino1093
      @dantolino1093 6 місяців тому

      Still butthurt after all these years?

    • @clemfandango619
      @clemfandango619 6 місяців тому

      @dantolino1093 butthurt about England leading the series with Argentina? You wogs are still butthurt about surrendering after two weeks.

    • @القناةالتوثيقيةلااعمالالفناننب
      @القناةالتوثيقيةلااعمالالفناننب 6 місяців тому

      بل غيرها ياعزيزي في هدفي القرن
      والي اليوم انجلترا تعاني خمي هذا اللاعب
      الذي بمفرده فاق حرب الفوكلاند علي الارجنتين وجعل من انجلترا اكذوبة بل اضحوكة
      ليصبح ماردونا من كسر هيمنة انجلترا
      الانجليز يذكرونه كعبقري وانت تراه شي مثل عقلك لاشي اصحاب العقول قوة1000فولت فقط من يدركون لهبة تماما اماعقولكم قوة8فولت ترونه عاديا😂😂😂😂

  • @Halotest100
    @Halotest100 6 місяців тому

    When you look back at the state of football pitches during Maradona's career, some were like rugby pitches. His control of a football was God like. If he was around today with pitches being like carpets, he would be unrivalled. I have to give George Best a mention too for what he did too on terrible pitches.

  • @mizofan
    @mizofan 6 місяців тому

    A great genius but overrated. Argentina achieved more without him in his career. He wasn't as great a team player, all rounder or general as various others

    • @dantolino1093
      @dantolino1093 6 місяців тому

      You excel at looking stupid. Great job.

    • @CodPatrol
      @CodPatrol 6 місяців тому +1

      @@dantolino1093 try not to cry over somebody having an opinion

    • @dantolino1093
      @dantolino1093 6 місяців тому +2

      Maradona overrated?

    • @القناةالتوثيقيةلااعمالالفناننب
      @القناةالتوثيقيةلااعمالالفناننب 6 місяців тому

      انه افظل من كرة القدم كرة القدم تتمتع اذا لمسها لاعب الرب هذا
      انه كلمة الله كن فيكن
      لعبة لاتدركه الابصار والعقول
      فقط اصحاب العقول قوة1000فولت يدركون عبقريتة اما اصحاب العقول9 فولت يرون غيره افضل

    • @Dacio1202
      @Dacio1202 21 день тому

      Funny how clueless u r talking about a Player who faced resistance and brutal tacklings like no other.
      If u want to compare other player with Maradona, get first some knowledge how that football era of the 80s really Was.
      Too many people r just clueless and keep comparing everything by todays Standards...trophies, stats, individual awards etc.