@@HyveMindsGames Ya know, it's funny, people told me that that's a ridiculous argument. They never explained why, but they did. But people also told me that the game's great if you don't see it as a finale, so I don't know how seriously I wanna take people. Also your video's great. Just wanted to say that.
I mostly heard the complaint that people "unfairly" compare KH3 with KH2FM. Because apparently KH2 had the same flaws as KH3 and only the FM turned it into a masterpiece. A sentiment I disagree with. I grew up with vanilla KH2 and only played the Final Mix when 2.5 released. I still think KH2 - even in its vanilla state - is the high point in the series and leagues better tham KH3. Gameplay, story, pacing and all. Of course, the FM improved things, but it turned a good game into a great game. With KH3, I think we got a mediocre game that could become good & a satisfying conclusion of the first saga with future DLC. The question is, why should we accept or even defend this practice from SE? We got what feels like half a game with some serious flaws at full price. KH2FM should not be the pinnacle of the franchise. More than a decade later, it should be its baseline. Also: Great video with good points! I love watching constructive criticism to put my own feelings into words. This video reminded me why I was so bummed out, even angry, after finishing KH3. Nomura's interview from the KH3 Ultimania is also very insightful - but also depressing if you still care about the franchise and were disappointed with KH3.
@@Reviel17 Exactly. On pure controls and game feel alone, KH2 easily wins against any other KH game, and that's ignoring the base game's substance. I shouldn't have more trouble with base KH2's Standard mode, than with KH3's Proud mode, and I should especially be bawling a lot more from the climax than the second act. What I find the most troubling about defenders of KH3 is that they apparently don't see that people critical of it (I don't wanna say most cuz I don't have the numbers and I know some are only in it for the bandwagon) just want it to be better. I know I don't wanna take their experience with the game away, I just want it to be even better. I want Square to fix the game, I legitimately do. I don't think it's acceptable for them to have to do that, but I'd rather they did than didn't. And fact of the matter is, it can become the best game in the series trough that method. I wanna see them try, at the very least. I will say though, i don't personally feel like the game was a waste of my 60 dollars. I don't necessarily think there was a lot of it that was cut out, I just think it was mis-handled. I don't think it needs new scenes necessarily, it just needs re-writes. Now, it necessarily does need a re-design of the combat system, but I think I'm giving it a pass just because this is the best team Osaka game, at least from a gameplay perspective, I don't think many people would disagree with that, and in its own little way it's a reason to praise it. It's not acceptable, but it's reason to praise it still.
Xehanort: takes over terra's body. Ruins friendships. Ruins lives. Unleashed the heartless. Causes several worlds to fall into darkness. Kills kairi Also xehanort: hey bro I'm not evil. I'm just misunderstood.
The Barbell Lifestyle He was just testing their light by making things real dark. And he tried to help Kairi develop her character but she obviously failed each time.
Because in KH1 they managed to at least make it fee like Sora and pals as well as the heartless had an actual impact on the story in some way. With Tarzan, Sora was the reason that Tarzan was basically at the wrong place at the wrong time for most of it while the Darkness in the hunter's heart attracted the heartless. In Atlantis, Sora directly strengstens Ariel's desire to leave the ocean. In Olympus Coliseum Sora helped foiling the plot by Hades who gained the help of Cloud, basically evening the odds of another invader to the world. For Wonderland Sora had to clean up the mess that some heatless had made. In Neverland, Riku and the Heartless directly worked with Hook so Sora and crew were also there to counter-measure that and put the story back to course. Similair thing for Monstro And in Agrabah Maleficent kicked off the plot and Sora and crew were just there to fight the heartless really. But yeah, each world had some kind of change to them or the story itself got kicked off by someone who was not there originally.
I'm a much bigger fan of KH2 but I absolutely agree with you on that. There was no reason to go to the Mulan world. Just wanted to get that out of the way and be done with it. There were several that felt like that.
It seems hard now to make disney worlds more relevant again due to having too many characters. If somehow nomura is able to make disney worlds relevant again despite having a lot of characters I would give him a round of applause.
@@thedenalski4038 It really does seem like it was cut from the game, it seems like a really expansive area with lots of platforming to be used as a boss arena. perhaps it was originally meant to be explore-able but was cut due to the game being rushed for 2019.
I really hate how useless Kairi and Aqua were in the game and how Axel literally became a comic relief character. Oh and no Final Fantasy at all? Like...really? They've been in every KH game right?
DUDE in the end when you helped axel and Kairi fight I had to jump away to see if she would do anything and she literally just got beat up until her health was finished I didn't even get to see her swing her keyblade and after Anti-Aqua, Aqua just became a wife waiting for her husband to return from the army
FUN FACT: In KH3 we have all these clunky Disney Attraction Attacks. But in Walt Disney World Resort (Orlando) we can't find a SINGLE Kingdom Hearts attraction or reference. Not even a Keyblade keychain in the stores.
@@hchozn That's a lame excuse. Not from your part, but from Disney itself to claim it. Rights can be purchased, and if the franchise is already based on Disney material, I don't see why they couldn't make it happen.
It doesn't even look that nice :'''( KH2 remastered/final mix/2.5 had much better character renderings. ... Herc especially bothered me in KH3 his proportions were all off. Oh, and Donald, what even. And Sora's face is unrecognizable I hate it! I don't mind the FF glowy filter realism, but Sora's facial design is a just plain bad reinterpretation of his familiar face. Riku, in contrast, was done well.
I feel like this game was dumbed down for people new to the series. The devs probably did not trust the long time fans to remember what happened in the "plot” of the previous installments, due to half the time in the cutscenes was just characters explaining what was going on in the last game. I played this game without skipping anything and all I could think was, "yes I know, I saw that happen in that game, why explain it when we already saw it”
I didn't even watch any recap video's on the series explaining the gaps that missed since I didn't play BBS, DDD, or that Aqua game, I forget what it's called. I guess I could add in 358/2 Days as well. All of those games I didn't play or watch any cutscenes of cause really, I didn't play Chain of Memories before playing KH2, yet I was still very intrigued on what was going on. Now playing most of BBS, half of Re: Chain of Memories & all of DDD has watched away SE of the disappointment of KH3 for me. Now I may come back to KH3 though if they release a Final Mix version. Also most of the stuff I liked in KH3 was the Disney stuff & even some of that was disappointing in certain ways they did things.
Yup focusing on what happened in past games instead of dropping hints about the Foretellers, Daybreak Town and the danger that is the encroaching darkness. But don't tell Nomura that he just thinks you all were waiting for 3 without going through to play previous games to refresh your memory. He could've tied everything up nicely and given information on what really matters, the bigger picture that is the Master of Masters and the Foretellers, but Nomura couldn't be bothered to do that despite the fact we're supposed to be going into the Foretellers saga now.. Thanks so much for the not even half baked story Nomura.
"At least I have KH2." And that is how I made my peace with KH3. It disappointed me to such an extent that I decided to label it as an alternate universe and declared KH2 the real ending of the series for me.
That's funny. My head canon is that Sora is dreamimg all of this crap in 3D and we haven't actually seen the true story of 3D. And we are still waiting for Riku to wake him up. So everything is fine.
Can we talk about how pete and maleficent found pandora's box in Olympus and then *nothing happened?* I was like "Oh boy, can't wait until we come back to this world and fight whatever challenges pop out of it!"
The entire fucking game was all setup for their NEXT KH game. It was a fucking twenty hour (if it even took that long) commercial for whatever they shove out next.
Was it just me, or did a lot of the characters lack emotional expressions? I just went back and looked at KH1, and their facial expressions and the way they spoke were much more lively and had much more emotion. Heck, KH2 as well. In this one, most are talking softly and look dazed, like they're not really feeling much of anything anymore. lol, it's like even the characters are starting to give up on the story.
Yeah, they're going for a more realistic look for the human characters and it just makes them look stiff. KH2 Sora's face is cartoony and expressive, now he just looks bored.
I'd say the only downside of KH2 cutscenes was the lack of BGM in like 90% of them, cause the dialogue was very decent, it just felt awkward solely cause of the lack of music haha
Know what I hated the most about the game. Bringing back EVERYONE who died or disappeared on the previous games kinda invalidates their whole tragic stories.
One thing that bugs me that I haven't seen others mention is that the characters just felt like they're talking AT each other as opposed to having a believable conversation WITH each other.
shatterbound And what they were talking about was just soooo boring! I was missing a lot of drama in this game. Most of the cutscenes was just lifeless
Aqua: I guess it must’ve worked, that spell that I cast on you. Kairi: huh? When was that? Thank you anyway I guess. -------- Aqua: Sora good to see you again Sora: ? Aqua: it’s okay. -------- The convos I’ve been wanting so bad, handled in the worst way.
When they arrived at Destiny Islands to find Master Eraqus’ keyblade, I really wanted to get out of the cutscene and roam around the place. See what’s new, like in Twilight Town, but unfortunately we went straight to the Anti-Aqua fight.
The game feels like it's targeted towards the current younger generation, not the now adults who were the first to play KH2, it doesn't feel like the same old classic. I guess that's what happens when you delay a sequel for 14 damn years, its 'flavor' changes due to changes in the real world. KH2 was a masterpiece that will never be repeated again.
Exactly, the dialogue to me seems like it was especially toned down in complexity and depth for the younger audience rather than kept at a more interesting and useful impact to the story itself and for the older generations who played the past games. Im specifically talking about those LONG pauses in between EVERY..............TWO WORDS............THAT.............THE SPEAKER..............BREATHES OUT. Now, imagine if i had done that with my entire paragraph. I would have quit reading that by "two words" already. Thats just an example as to how i felt every time someone spoke during the millenia i spent watching a single cutscene.
I totally agree with this. A lot of people were complaining that the game wouldnt be able to introduce new players, even though the game had 3 in the title. Not only that but Disney had this game by the balls. So to blame anyone, it's society's fault for this games current state. 🤷
Because it IS targeted towards the younger generation. That’s how it’s always been. The intention was never to target older fans. Square and Disney know the older fans will buy Kingdom Hearts no matter what. It’s new fans from the current generation they needed to get.
KH2 is nothing compaired to KH 1. in KH 1 the disney worlds actually MATTERED. in KH 2 the disney worlds had nothing to do with the story and were merely side quests. like filler plots in an anime.
I also think it has to do with the fact that we’ve all grown up and experienced life too... I could actually relate to Xehanort... and some of the things coming out of Sora, I was annoyed.... I guess that’s what life gets you.... darkness....
Honestly this is Kingdom Hearts 5. Chain of memories and Dream drop distance are direct sequels to KH1 and KH2 and shouldn't have been made on GBA or 3ds titles. Birth by sleep was a prequel that has so much background info that's needed for KH3 that you really can't skip it so that Kingdom hearts 0 to me. Coded and 358 days aren't as necessary but 358 days has some really important info that you can't miss if you care at all about Axel, Xion, or Roxas. Also the story in 358 days is the best in the series and only wish it had come out on PS3 instead of DS. Why the hell did they expand into so many different consoles and make them all so important to the main story!? What kind of managers do they have running that company?
Well imo expanding the games into different consoles is a "smart business move". They make their money by selling not only the games, but the consoles too for the dedicated fans. Of course, its entirely frustrating for us anyway
@@synaesthesia888 I didn't know that sony and nintendo gave game devs commissions on all consoles sold..... or is it just bundles with KH games in them? Do those bundles even exist? Or is it based on like how many consoles Nintendo or Sony think were attributed to KH? How would they be able to guess that? Unless it's a bundle with the game, I just don't see that being trackable.
I was pretty pissed off that the second half of KH3's plot revolved around the mobile game. Utter pisstake, even if they had the movie version of the events in 2.8
While I agree the game wasn’t an excellent game, the fact is that it concluded the Xehanort saga. Disappointed or not, it still did it’s job in that regard.
DetectiveXigBraigBobbyFulbrightTheSpiritofJUSTICE I just finished the game. Gotta say, entering in the last world is when they should have had the screen title say kingdom hearts 3 cause all of the Disney world bs didn’t contribute much to the story at all. But before entering in the last world, I took about 2 in a half weeks off the game just to forget what I went through only keeping the small important parts in my mind. This morning I hopped back on and felt I was playing the actual game and it didn’t disappoint... well alittle with the whole kairi thing. But I mainly wanted to see axel roxes and xion. That part made me cry and it was worth it. So I saved the game right before you go to last world to replay just that world again. So now I give the game a 7/10 kH2 9/10 and kH1 10/10. P.s. 368/2 10/10
Facts. Fuck 3. I'm gonna go back just to pretend 2 had the final ending. All this time and aside from graphics 3 is worse in comparison to 1 and 2 in every aspect?.. trash.
@@christianguerrero70 that's what i'm doing, keeping kh2 as my ending. luckily nothing about 3 was moving or memorable, so it's easy to pretend it never happened.
i saw this one girl doing a let's play of kh3 and she sat on the menu screen crying for 5 mins and would pretty much cry at every corny line in the game. i have a feeling she represents most kh3 fans. it was obvious from the beginning that the game could have literally been 1,000 times worse than it already is and she would still be constantly crying and talking about how amazing it is. kh3 was the only kh game that never made me feel the slightest emotion. rechain of memories had a far superior story and voice acting and had more emotional moments, and the gameplay was far more fun and addictive if you take the time to learn it.
@@angell6920 1. kh2fm 2. kh1fm 3. re com 4. bbs 5. ddd 6. kh3 re chain of memories gets a lot of hate but the combat and story kept me just as hooked as 1 and 2 once i got into it and learned it.
To me, KH3 was 50% cutscenes, 30% actual gameplay (where maybe 5-10% had actually something to do with Sora), and 20% was gimmicky, extra stuff. (Like the Bistro and shit) I felt like the majority of KH3 was a huge commercial waste.. They put a lot of time and effort putting in stuff like attack commands that mimicks Disneyland rides (for promotional purposes) ((which appeared way too often btw)), and Disney Worlds with huge names such as Tangled and Frozen - with absolutely no coherence or involvement to the plotline following Sora and the gang. Like with the pivotal scene with Elsa and Anna; Sora, Donald and Goofy were just in the background creeping. And whereeee's the strategy..? In certain fights in KH1 and 2 you had to plan ahead with abilities and/or certain equipments for the battle to succeed - or straight up survive. Here's just like... Lemme spin in this teacup
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE Yeah, but I mean... They could've at least included more "meddling" or whatever from the gang - seeing that they were just in the background the whole time. Especially in Frozen. Makes me think that Disney only wanted it there for the $$$
@@marianne9215 I agree 100% that the Tangled and Frozen worlds were just not very good plot-wise. Frozen is especially jarring in this regard. At least in the Tangled world, you still felt like a part of the world. You accompany Rapunzel and Eugene as they head to the kingdom, and you have some fun with them while you're at it. Moreover, you get a proper good-bye from both of them. The world doesn't do much more than that, but at least it's something. You don't have _any_ of that in the Frozen world. While the characters acknowledge your existence, they hardly interact with you. The whole plot plays out as if you never existed. You're just watching from the sidelines the entire time. And, the mini-game with Olaf's body is even worse than the mini-game with the dancing in the kingdom, which was actually enjoyable. That, and the final boss in Frozen makes even less sense than the one in Tangled.
Something else about the plot that really bugged me was the ending *Spoilers* . . . . like the ending was just so ... anti-climactic and defeating to the long story-line they built. Xehanort finally has the X-Blade and whatever than Eraqus shows up and just says “don’t do this” and he just.. gives it all up. He gives up his resolve that he literally spent various lifetimes through time to devise just to ... not? It’s just so insulting tbh
Biggest slap in the face was that 3ds was basically a lie and 80% of kh3 was a useless lie. 3DS Yen Sid: Sora you're not a master because you didn't obtain the power of waking KH3 Ven: Bro you've had the power of waking the whole time There was also no point in visiting any of the worlds. In every other kh game you're in a world trying to track down a friend or foe. In kh3 you're just randomly visiting with little to no purpose whatsoever.
The ending with Xehanort could be better if after we defeated him, he is on his knees, the x Blade is not on his hands and he is starting to fade away. Then Eraquas(i forgot how to write his name) would say his " there is more to light" speech and Xehanort would chuckle bitterly and say "Well played" before fading away
"Go train with Hercules" was a good start.... "Go to fuckville out of nowhere to watch Elsa sing" was a terrible continuation. Where was "Go to Neverland and learn to fly again, you'll need it to defeat Xehanort". Where was "Go to Arielle to learn how to swim properly, It may come in handy." Where was "Meet up with Cid in Hollow Bastion, he might be able to help us with upgrading the ship." Where was "Find Aladdin, Genie's help could become important in other worlds and we need him." Where was "Visit Leon, maybe he can help patch up your memory in Hollow Bastion / Radiant Garden." And no, I don't take "They were in a hurry, they couldn't learn all these things!" as an excuse. Sora lazed off in Tangled and Frozen, then collected 300 crabs in Pirates of the Caribbean. The time he could have used to relearn his power of waking was completely wasted in half the worlds. Kingdom Hearts 1 taught Sora things depending on the world. In Neverland, he learned to fly which he needed in the final battle of KH1. In Arielle's world, learning to swim was more often an advantage than crucial, but for KH3 it seriously could have mattered. One phase of the final boss WAS a water fight. You can just tell Nomura didn't want to do this. To be honest, I can't blame them. They wanted Toy Story in KH2 and they were shot down despite everything they did for Disney. They must have been pissed off, REALLY pissed off. After all, Nomura did tell them to hand over Buzz and Woody or there wouldn't even BE KH3 as far as I know.
"After all, Nomura did tell them to hand over Buzz and Woody or there wouldn't even BE KH3 as far as I know." Wow, he must have REALLY enjoyed Toy Story. Still, I would have greatly preferred them as summons over Chicken Little.
@@razor-backfrogger4256 he used toy story for his verum rex thing that's based in his cancelled final fantasy Vs 13 project that looks like it's going to be crucial for kingdom hearts in the future
@BlastinNick I was the whole game "when do we get to the good part" and then realized I was at the end stretch. No I did not enjoy it at all At least got S8 was such a fuckup because the writer wasnt behind it. Kh3 had the same main guy behind kh2 and still went like that.
if the original team had worked on this, i'm sure they would have concluded all of the unfinished stories from kh2. cloud and sephiroth left on a cliffhanger, beast and belle seemed like they had their conclusion coming. disney was more concerned with advertising their newer movies and corny attraction rides.
I guess I was in denial when I was first playing. I really was excited for this and really wanted to like it too but your summary pretty much speaks my thoughts..
I’ll be honest. I was disappointed in some parts of the game too. But I didn’t see it as a bad game, nor is it’s story. In my opinion, I thought they did a great job concluding the Xehanort saga. Xehanort was beaten and accepted defeat, the Wayfinder and sea salt trios got their happy endings, and ansem reuinted with his apprentices. Of course, that doesn’t mean the story has its flaws. I do agree that it was a big disappointment that all of the important story stuff was saved for the end. I would have preferred if it was sprinkled throughout the game and not thrown at the very end. But regardless, I still felt they did a great job finishing this saga.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE you're right with everyone's happy ending but I felt most of it was just retelling of Disney movies, which we've all probably seen. The difficulty wasn't challenging, I remember spending hours strategizing in KH2 on boss fights and actually enjoying it, not feeling bored :/. I agree tho, the ending was really good, it hit the feels but I really wish the story progressed more than just the last 4-6 hours of the game. It just felt like a let down after all these years waiting. Hopefully, the team realizes their mistakes and take our feedback into consideration for KH4.
for like 5+ years i kept picturing KH3 to have a section where you play as sora going thru the Darkworld with Riku looking for Aqua, and that would lead up til the big save for Aqua, i was TERRIBLY dissappointed when Sora freaking instant transmissioned there directly into the fight. they INSTANTLY to Ventus..meh
The only reasons my wife and I slogged through this adventure was because we were waiting, hoping for something better. Everything left us asking the questions, "Why are we doing this? Why is any of this happening?". The answer? At this point nobody knows. It doesn't seem to about the disney worlds. It doesn't seem to be about the meta story. It doesn't seem to be about the characters. It's just a lot of the same thing happening over and over and learning nothing from it. Can't wait for Kingdom Hearts 3.5/2 re X: The Shadows Light.
Kh1 and Kh2 were better. Those had actual satisfying conclusions. This game felt like more sequel bait than an ending, despite the fact that it was the "conclusion" to an entire saga. The ending world was the shortest we've ever had in any of these games, and the villains got their "one line apologies" while xehanort was treated as some sort of misguided good guy instead of the insane bastard that he was in literally all the other games. The final boss fight itself was too short and underwhelming, especially when compared to Xemnas and Ansem's boss fights. It also doesn't help that Xehanort's new V.A sounded like he couldn't give less of a flying fuck about the role. I don't know how it's possible, but this game that was in development for half a decade, honestly felt rushed, especially with the ending. The story was bad. The disney worlds tried to be relevant, but their only use was introducing the "box" that would only prove to be more sequel bait and the new seven princess which also didn't matter for the story of kh3 since we knew that the 7 guardians would be found regardless. The only true worth in going their was for Sora to learn the "power of waking" which he learned through ventus, so ultimately those disney worlds didn't matter. The game was a giant waste of potential and had the worst pacing out of literally any of the other games in the series. Ultimately, it seemed more like a method for Nomura to throw a temper tantrum about Versus 13 instead of a game dedicated to kingdom hearts. It's a solid 6/10. Also fuck Kairi.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE It's the conclusion to a major saga that encompassed and was built up by 10 games. It might as well be the conclusion to the whole story at this point. I really hope that Nomura doesn't make the same mistakes for the actual finale of the series, whenever that may be.
I think that the main problem with KH3 is - along with what you said - that the game retconed what the whole series made. I mean, Axel's sacrifice, the whole plot with Roxas and the first part of KH2, Xion, the sacrifice of Aqua to protect Terra, the origin of Ansem and Xemnas, the build-up to those main villains... What was done in Caste Oblivions. All of that is pointless with KH3. Axel is back, Xion and Roxas too, Xemnas and Ansem are just subpart vilain without any form of will, Marluxia has no more personnal goal, The BBS trio is back together like nothing happened even if verything happened ten years ago. Really ? DDD's plot was really bad, but it is even worse with KH3.
Jepp. And don't forget all those stupid conversations. Kairi meets Aqua and she doesn't even bother asking where she met her. It's so unbeleavable and a Bad fan fiction.
Yeah, that's what bothered me most about this game. Undoing everyone's sacrifices. I don't even feel anything when listening to Xion's theme anymore cause now I know despite her tragedy she'll just come back to life outta nowhere in 3. This game ruined KH for me.
@@madnessembodied2473 KH3: 99% of what happened before was meaningless. I really hopeed Xion would just stay forgotten or no more than being remembered again.I kinda hoped terra would help sora defeat terranort and let his; some day i will set this right mean something. I think that would have been nice. Someday, but not now.
It took me over a month to really come to terms with the reality of KH3. I honestly did not want to accept it. Now im here. Watching this video. And im still hurt by how KH3 turned out.
I paid $60 to beat the game in 5 days. KH2 took me weeks. That's playing every day after work and being single. I'm 33 married with two young kids now. Sigh.
As a long time fan, KH1 and 2 blew me away. Never expected any of what occurred and I was so hooked that I probably played both those games a dozen times or more, unlocking new items and side quests, etc. When KH3 was announced, of course my heart exploded. I truthfully didn't play all of the side games since KH2 but played a few to grasp the gist of the overall story. When KH3 came out, I sank into it and was impressed by the graphics, the updated combat, but found myself quickly kind of like "Um...that's it?". The lack of worlds, the absence of FF characters, items, side quests, etc bummed me out. It was as if most of the core of the series was stripped away to just "complete this game and move on". I haven't touched the game since I beat it in January, which to me, says A LOT.
@@yoster39 did you bring yourself to play through it first? i barely could, both the story and combat bored me from start to finish. even the gummi ship battles were terrible. i had so much fun with the gummi missions in 2, not sure how so many people think it's better in 3. in 3 every battle is identical and it's set up like an old, generic arcade shoot em up. not sure how anyone found that more fun that the large variety of amazing missions in one. i would get so addicting to it in 2, spending hours building ships and trying to 100% the different missions. in 3 it was so lame i wished they had just left it out entirely.
@@Jack_80 at a certain point I was just bearing the game waiting for it to get good, we all know kh has those moments when it's bad but... That moment is whe whole game here
Everything up to Re:coded was ok. Like everything made sense in a way if you followed all the games up to Recoded. DDD is what changed the direction of the series.
Video begins "KH3 isn't the worst game, but it's the biggest disappointment" You already got my like after that Edit: Watched the rest of the video now and I can't agree more. All your points were great. Great review
From now on, when I play the series, I'm going to play Birth by Sleep, then Kingdom Hearts, then Chain of Memories, then 358/2 Days, and end with Kingdom Hearts II.
My biggest problem with KH3 can be summed up in the ending. Holy crap the ending felt SO rushed and so underwhelming, there was just WAY too much stuff going on and WAY too many characters thrown in at the last minute which created a really incoherent story. I know this game may be trying to make everyone happy by giving each character their own conclusion but it's really not, and if you have to push characters aside so that others can be focused on, then that's a sign you have too many. Every time I play this game I'm always blown away by how many things had potential, fan favorites Aqua and Roxas were teased really early on, Axel was given a Keyblade and was going to be a good guy, Kairi wasn't going to be useless anymore, and every hero and villain that fans grew to love would make a comeback in this big epic finale. I have no problem with all this stuff that they wanna put in this game, but it all really suffers under it's own weight... We're trying to give all these characters their own screen time and give them a satisfying reunion/conclusion but the only way for any of them to get their own screen time is for others to be pushed aside, now that's not a good formula for giving us moments with each character. Which is REALLY apparent when you think about how this game practically sneezed Roxas and Xion at us at the very end only to be wrapped up in a quick 2 minute action sequence and a brief cutscene of them crying just so the next lot of characters can be focused on, same with Terra and the BBS cast, AND all the villains. Such a disappointing payoff for what promised to be a really emotional and powerful scene. I would've rather them cut this stuff out and worked it's way in through DLC's or even saved for a future game if it meant having a satisfying conclusion for an otherwise fantastic game. I'm serious, I actually have no problem with the rest of this game, sure there are a few little tippets here and there but other than that I think the game looks beautiful and they did a much better job this time around at making the Disney worlds feel a lot more open and alive (Like ACTUAL npcs this time around HOLY CRAP!!) and I particularly enjoyed the Toy Story and the Pirates sections. But like I said, what brings the whole thing down for me is the ending, I just felt like they didn't live up to everything that they had been building up to at that point. If this game had little more time to flesh out it's story and give each character a little more screen time then this could've easily have been the best game in the series. But as it is, it's just another solid entry in the KH franchise that doesn't fully reach the level of epicness that KH2 did. What a shame...
its really sad when you finally craft the Ultima Weapon, and instead of joy you really just feel emptiness..because there's nothing really left to do with it after Dark Inferno
its a damn shame because the endgame practically writes itself...Mickey points out in the beginning that heartless are much stronger in the Dark realm than the world of light...if they would have made the darkworld a level, they could have made the entire endgame take place there, boost all enemy stats and make difficult trials. simple as that
J0yb0y I honestly liked 100 Acre Wood in the past games. At least the mini games had variety and you could actually visit other areas. 100 Acre Wood was very short. I think it was even a harsher downgrade than Twilight Town, to the point that I actually wouldn’t mind collecting the pages throughout the worlds all over again
@@olly.speaks i agree... It's like there's nothing bad happens in the 100 acre woods... And the only thing they made is pooh searching for honey. Yes, they talked abot their friendship, but it's just a bit and a pinky size
@@SateLight Now, I find this "conflict" in 100 Acre Wood to be quite shallow or non-existant. Sora wasn't on the cover of the book, so meaning something must have happened. When we enter the world, it seems like Pooh has forgotten Sora, but he remembered him immediately just a couple seconds after. Everyone else clearly remembers Sora at first sight of him, so meaning Pooh didn't have anything major like amnesia, which was my theory at first. Played through the minigames, got Pooh some honey at got Sora back on the cover. Sora told Merlin that he was concerned about his friends forgetting about him, even though that didn't exactly happen...
@@SateLight If I remember correctly, Pooh did actually have amnesia in KH2, because the pages were missing. I don't really know what they were doing here in KH3.
I thought certain scenes were just somewhat awkward. Why do they need to exaggerate on the friendship power as it was the ultimate energy of the universe? I just think that KH2 is the best also because is more grounded. I really don't like how certain scenes reminds me a show for 5 year old children. Thing that I don't remember on KH2. Ok, it is a game with Disney worlds, I don't think scenes should be idiot though, with the power of heart and little lights over people's chests. Anyway, it seems that KH2 is the definitive KH game. All the mistery around Roxas, the search for Riku and Kairy around Disney worlds. The mistery around Ansem and Xeanorth without everyone being Xeanorth and things getting exaggerated. kH2 is grounded, the features present are just on point and not to say that there's more and it's bigger. I wish on next games they don't make certain things appear awkward but interesting as in KH2.
I agree, in kh1-2 sora was a great character, he didn't understand anything, nothing was put out to him on a silver platter, he was quite literally an idiot and it wasn't his fault. when dream drop distance came, we had seen that while sora did have his goofy moments, he also had grown, had matured, and I was excited to see how he would react to the same situations in the past games differently in kh3, but it turns out sora is a complete idiot, and it was his fault. Come on square enix, he lost his powers not his intelligence
The Osaka team ruined KH3's combat. I'm not sure whether Nomura or Disney is mostly to blame for the crap story, though. I'd say everything that sucked about the Disney stories was Disney's fault, and everything that sucked about the original story was Nomura's fault. Like most of the people here, I still deeply enjoyed it, but I knew long ago that this game would NOT be KH2, even before we ever saw the first concept trailer. DDD and Coded took away all the mystery of what this game would be about, and all the trailers spoiled everything else. I knew it wasn't going to be nearly as good as KH2, and honestly, that really helped to curb a lot of the disappointment on my first playthrough, and it allowed me to enjoy the game for what it was without getting caught up in what was lacking. That being said, Square Enix still botched this one bigtime. True, it's better than nearly all of the interim games as a complete package, but that's not the standard we should be judging it by. For as much buildup as this game had, not only in terms of the years of waiting but also in terms of the endless supplementary stories that were leading up to it, this should have been something monumental, and it fell really flat. I cried a lot at the ending just because of the catharsis of the reunions, and I really did think it was great, but the ending should not have been the only part of the game like that-it should have been like that throughout the game. It should have been sweeping, grand, epic, and world-shattering, but instead everything of importance was just relegated to the Keyblade Graveyard, one of the most boring worlds in the series, and few of the characters were treated with any modicum of care, respect, or imagination. I've had months to stew over this game, and my conclusion is that it's a really good game, but that's still so far below what this particular game should have been. It should have been perfect. Now, having read all the early warning signs made it so I wouldn't be as deeply impacted by the disappointment as many others were, but that doesn't change the fact that the destination absolutely did not justify the journey.
I really love Kingdom Hearts and I've been playing it since it came out so I was really looking forward to KH3. The reason why I found this video was because I wanted to see if someone shares my disappointment. My first playthrough was on proud because I wanted a challenge, but I felt like I was playing it on normal. The quality of the game still amazes me but thats all I can say was good. The cutscenes were toooooooooooo long, the story was also a disappointment and I feel like their only focus was to get a good-looking game instead of making a rly good story out of it. I agree to all points, you made and I think its sad that this video gets so many dislikes just because you are talking about your opinion which is not a good one obviously. but thx for sharing!
Probably because people don't like overall negativity from someone who doesn't seem to actually like the series as a whole. While there are certainly things they can improve on, KH3 was far from disappointing. It's fine to have an opinion on things it can improve on but just complaining about a game that many MANY other people enjoyed despite its flaws really isn't something fandoms care to sit through.
@@tonyxBAx i actually think that people who started with kh3 instantly without having played the other games, do like kh3. It has good quality overall and the game itself is also good. But fans who played every single part can't see kh3 like that cuz they know something better than this. Fans who were waiting for kh3 for 14 years and instantly pre-ordered the game as soon as they could. They won't be satisfied by pure overall quality. That's what I think.
One thing you didn't mention but I will. The complete removal of Final Fantasy characters from Kingdom Hearts 3. People didn't like the game just for the Disney characters, but the ones relating to Final Fantasy as well.
It's sad to see how the story and narrative went downhill after KH1. It used to actually be pretty simple: There's a natural order to the universe, the heartless are fucking that order up. As the wielder of the only thing that can kill the heartless (for good), you must go to different worlds, respect the prime directive, purge the heartless and prevent them from destroying more worlds. Thing is KH1 actually had nuance. As the series went on though it seems like the nuance was replaced by complexity, and complexity isn't inherently interesting.
@@lloydirving6209 I think SE for a long time has been trying to be this movie video game production company. The problem is they never got out of the PS2 episode in game development while everyone else has long since moved forward. What they need is focus and to bring in people who truly specialize in cinematic and long form storytelling to work with their people. Heck maybe invest in some mocap and actors for all these cutscenes. Also cut scenes really need to be shorter. There is nothing interesting about seeing people sit and do nothing for 10 minutes repeating dialogue. Again other studios have solved this. They just have character talk as they got the next destination. After this they need a clean slate. No Roxas, Aqua, or that one person. Org 13 is done, it's over. Nix the uniform. Disney might need to go as well. Keep Donald/Goofy(or bring in some new sidekicks). KH needs freedom but also a lot of checks.
This game was super disappointing. And the voice acting was so TERRIBLE. To new fans it might be good but for the rest of us who waited 12 years it was not worth it
Bau Cap. Bruh just shut up he’s clearly a fan and you’re just saying shit that don’t even relate to what he said. The game is called KH3, what else would he refer to, nobody calls bbs and ddd kh 3 and 4 you sound lame as hell
@Bau Cap. boy, you sure are a dumbass. I didn't even say anything about the release date of the games and here you are spouting gibberish. You're so delusional.
also did anyone else feel like that fight was a little... of the piss poorly designed variety 2.9 i get it its not done yet, BUT ITS NOT ANY BETTER IN THREEEEEE ...hashtag sad face
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE well atleast kh2 always gave you the reaction command you needed...kh3 would tell you you need to use something and not give it to you.
They had over a decade to perfect this game and got our hope's up so high only to let us down. Some parts were enjoyable but it was really REALLY bad with the pacing, like the Disney world were absolutely pointless.
DDD was released in 2012 so they didn't have over a decade and apart from that, they had to focus on final fantasy that was released in 2015, so the main production took 3 years and not 10
It's literally the same thing that happened with Final Fantasy 15. Spent a decade on it and the only thing good about it was the graphics, scenery, and voice acting.
Nostalgia kept KH my favorite game series for over a decade, even when I slowly lost interest over the years with all the convoluted additions to the plot. KH3 finally smacked some sense into me that this is one of the most terrible story I’ve ever experienced in any form of media. I’d say KH would be dead to me if it weren’t for the countless good childhood memories, music, and some of the characters, but it’s definitely at the bottom of my tier list now. I won’t be buying the next installment day 1 like I usually do anymore, I don’t trust that they’ll put out an enjoyable game after this travesty and in hindsight, a couple of previous titles too.
I feel the same way to an extent but I disagree. Sure kh3 is trash but 1 and 2 offer something amazing in their own right..1 has the great story that anyone could follow. Darkness and all that felt so simple at the time but it didnt feel like it tried to be bigger than it was. Kh2 the story got weird but still pulled at one's attention. The gameplay improved drastically. Kh3 is the only LET DOWN in every aspec aside from graphics
@@deathseekergibbsy yeah those are my favorite 3 by far. was surprised at how much i loved re chain once i finally mustered up the patience to learn and pretty much master it. it's way more fun and addictive than 3 and the story is far more interesting, and surprisingly even the voice acting in rechain is far superior to 3. luckily it's easy to act like it ends with kh2 because nothing in 3 was even remotely memorable to me.
You perferctly described my experience with this game. If my nostalgia wasn't there till the day I played it, I would have dropped this game very fast. Any yeah it made me realise how truly awful the story actually is!
This is getting a higher percentage of dislikes than videos that treat the game like a log of dog shit. *cough* Dunkey *cough* I gotta ask why. This was a totally fair assessment from a FAN! Me? Did I enjoy the game? Yes. Was it the spectacle we were expecting for over a decade? No.
Randomizer903 sometimes it’s hard to accept criticism on something that has done so well in the past 17 years also some people are really have a problem with those who like this game
@@meevil24 I don't know but he has said he dosent like it from what I herd from a lot of people( thought I don't follow him so it's just what I herd) and people make videos on stuff they don't like a lot on the internet. Thought it possible this people that follow him that said that were lying I don't know
It is all flash but no substance. This is what bothers me about this game and it is a reminder of what gaming is turning into. I hate that gaming is becoming so mainstream that it feels like getting lunch from the cafeteria at school : bland and prosaic. Also, drive forms were awesome. And no ff characters. Really? In a square enix game. There are more ff characters on forza than kh3 which is very sad.
@@xValsion i got rid of mine right after i beat it, and i really had to force myself just to get through it because the combat and story were boring from start to finish. the voice acting was the worst in the series and all the characters felt dull and empty to the point i could care less what happens anymore, and i was really excited to see what happens next. luckily nothing about 3 was memorable to me so it's easy to pretend 3 never happened and end the story with 2. how any actual fan of the previous games can defend this crap is beyond comprehension.
You’d think with waiting 15 years for the sequel they would’ve done better with it. But sadly everything you said was spot on. I only beat the game to see how it ended not out of true enjoyment
@@zerek1726 Hahaha ur one of those guys that if someone said something took a 100 yrs ud yell that it only took 97 n a half!!!! Hahaha. What it boils down to is square enix surprisingly comes up with shit quality after taking forever, all due to horrible management
@draako No, it wasn’t wasted. The HD remixes were essential as they contained important story to set up for KH3. This is why they were released multiple tines. Yes, part of it was for money. But they are also required to fully enjoy KH3. Also I believe Nomura stated in a previous interview that he didn’t want to remaster all of the games if no one was going to buy them. This is why 1.5 and 2.5 were separated. If 1.5 was successful, he would then make 2.5. Although originally I think he didn’t even want to make a 2.5 as he wanted to save time for development on KH3. But due to 1.5’s success, he decided to make 2.5 a thing regardless.
@draako Honestly, I can see those games coming to Xbox in the near future. From what I heard, Nomura said he wanted to port those games to not just Xbox but the switch as well once KH3 was done with. Same goes for any possible KH3 port to the switch.
Same. I was hoping for new songs, outside of the Disney world themes, instead, we got mostly remixes. Feels like this game lacks a lot of the magic and charm that made the others so memorable.
nah fam, i understand the soundtrack letting you down because it doesn't invent new themes for story related content, but i think there's a lot of original music in the gummi map, various disney worlds, etc. and objectively the musical scoring is brilliant.
@@silversauceran Let me put it this way, I love the Dissidia games and their OST's. It's expected that they'd get a lot of remixes and arrangements of classic FF songs with some new pieces. However, with KH3 we got a Dissidia style OST instead of something like we got with KH1, KH2, and other games. Or even with the FFXIII games. Those games reused songs and had tons of new songs. Idk, maybe with the OST my expectations were too high.
I agree with you. I’m more disappointed in the fact that we didn’t get many Yoko Shimomura original pieces. Especially for the last boss fight which was supposed to be a grand battle, but fell so flat that it felt like it had no impact. I wanted to get that nice Yoko-style music with the violins, pianos, and grand score to let you that THIS is KH3 and shit was gonna go down. But for me, I didn’t feel that from the soundtrack. Takeharu just did a lot of remixes that didn’t feel good to me. It was so disappointing...
It really was a let down finding out that they basically recycled Organization XIII for the big baddies. Out of all of KH's villains, those 13 were the most popular, so naturally the creators think we'd want to see them again, but....it's just not true. Axel is alive and that's just fine, but I kinda felt the whole plot was lazy.
At least in KH2 reaction commands had negative consequences if you did not react to them. Either you have a high potential to take damage or loose out on out positioning. KH3 is way more than a button masher than KH2 is or was ever critizied as being back in the day.
Cant say that for the frozen boss though. But then again, even if you reacted to the ball that boss threw at the party the boss wouldn't even take damage.
You mean, spam Triangle with no consequences? They were a visual spectacle, but they were one of the most brain dead mechanics. In some cases such as Cerberus in KH2, you're better off actually being hit by one of it's attacks because it puts you in a reaction command situation that stuns the boss, and all you have to do is spam the shit out of your triangle button. This comment is ironic on so many levels.
Razhork I am not saying it isn’t brain dead. However I am saying that RCs are less brain dead than situation commands. Spam fire at a bunch of enemies to get an AoE, spam different magics to get a lot of AoEs. Real complex. Your agruement is just as easy, if not easier to apply to KH3.
@@TheKrypticCode the only time the reaction commands in KH2 needed a 0roper timing were doing the Xembas boss fight and some of the data battles. Now compare that to KH3 where there are a lot fewer of them in boss fights which I prefer since there's more of a chance for the player to use the wide variety of options available. In short I'd rather be spamming magic than waiting on a triangle button prompt to show up. And let's not pretend that KH2 was wasn't an X button spammer. Magic in that game was not as well utilized and reflect made a lot of boss fights much easier. Yes KH3 needs work on its difficulty but it compensates for the ridiculous amount of combat options it gives you to play with. At no point was I using the same keyblade the whole game.
I see a lot of people saying that Disney was being difficult about their content and that made the Disney Worlds lackluster and while I completely agree, it's gonna be a moot point if we do not actually speak up and make a point about it to Disney. Because they are just going to do it again in the next KH.
But at that point most fans don't care anymore. All I ever wanted was KH3 and if this is what they do today with games, I'd rather be not a gamer anymore. It sucks.
Kingdom hearts 3 problems... Small twilight town No final fantasy characters Way to easy No jobs and skateboarding Way to short compared to 2 and 1 You can’t explore the end world Wasted map potential, especially an fransico The ending was was not worth it for what the game was 30$ to access what should had been in the base game.... really bruh What happened to struggle battles? Way to much disney Honestly I am a die hard kingdom hearts fan who puts kingdom hearts 2 as his favorite rpg of all time, but honestly it’s a huge disappointment to 2, especially with all the missing content
yeah you're not alone, I think a lot of people were disappointed at the results of this game. After 10 years of being spoon fed handheld experiments that either went no where or only confused any story elements what so ever, its no surprise that the fan base is saying that this isn't good enough. the game is pretty but its lacking a lot of what we loved.
I mean, I guess you could argue that for all of the KH games are like that lol. A nostalgia cash grab. Only difference is that it has its own unique story within it. The thing with KH3 though is that a lot of that unique story was saved for the end. Which I agree was a little disappointing
"lacking content" and "missing content" are synonymous. And yes, KH3 felt unfinished compared to KH1 and KH2, this one when I played it, it really felt like it was rushed. Not a lot of thought put in the gameplay. They focused too much on the cutscenes.
@@lukamagicc yeah don't pay too much thought to this guy, he's just been going around defending the KH3 title, which is fine, but he's on the wrong page, you can't encourage people to like the game by saying YOU like it, if that's not what you're trying to do then we get it, you like KH3 DetectiveXigBraigBobbyFulbrightTheSpiritofJUSTICE . And KH3 "let your heart be your guiding key" is cringier than any KH2 cutscene ever made.
@jack I mean, I never said his opinion was wrong. And I’m not forcing the guy to like the game lol. Like you said, you can’t encourage people to like the game because I like it.
What ruined this game to me was the lack of a hub world being a major part also FF characters. In KH1 and KH2 traverse town and twilight town / radiant garden were major parts of the story and going back to them after journeying to other worlds and talking to everyone / upgrading made the games pacing feel alot better...with 3 I feel theres no mid game and no stoppage of playing its just a straight line to the end.
@Andrés Francia i'm sure he'll find some way to majorly screw up ff7 remake, but like you said most won't be bothered by it. with the absurd anount of hype, it could be 100 times worse than kh3 and many would still praise it and act like we're idiots for being disappointed by it. it's like hype brainwashes many to the point where the quality of the end product no longer matters.
Nomura has let down more people than you can possibly imagine. Hyping the Kingdom Hearts remakes to Kingdom Hearts 3 was the biggest scam I have ever seen. Leading a franchise to a filler story with characters that have ZERO development.
tbh sora has always been written in a weird way, even moreso than the other characters. he didn't feel like himself in ddd either. 1 and com are actually the only games in which i think he's a good character
What bugged me the most, was the god awful pacing, like you mentioned in the video. Would it have been so bad, to for example rescue Aqua somewhat earlier, and have her rest? After the next world we could have saved Ventus, and taken our time with him resting, or even anything else, so not only the last 5h this game are relevant?
I couldn't agree more with you. KH3 is easily one of the most disappointing installments in a series I loved while I was growing up. I'm utterly astounded that a game can be both so basic and clunky and simultaneously frustrating as hell to play. Instead of appealing to longtime fans, their target audience was clearly kids who just wanted to see their favorite Disney movies like Frozen transformed into game format. I hate how the developers did NOTHING to tweak Frozen's or Tangled's plots to fit with the themes of KH. Oh, and don't even get me started on the absence of FF characters...removing a key element to the franchise wasn't a good move. That's even more proof to me that the developers were appealing to a less mature audience. I think my favorite point that you made is 'WHY does any of this matter and why do we care?' I asked myself that over and over while I played the game and hit DNF because I felt too old to keep playing. It wasn't just the unsophisticated controls and lack of agency over the special attacks that annoyed me, it was the lack of heart (pun intended) and how as a longtime fan, I felt alienated. A younger kid will probably love KH3's bright graphics, the borderline silly, confetti-doused special attacks, button mashing for a luck-driven win, comically overdone bosses with no meaning -- but a more mature and thoughtful fan will feel totally lost here. I firmly believe that KH3 should never have even been made. Sorry that so many white knights down-voted, because you're absolutely right on all points.
Alexa S. That was a really good summary. It's been almost half a year since the game came out and I am still frustrated over it. One part of me wants to make a point to square enix and sell it. The other part still hopes that the upcoming dlc will fix some of this mess. I should know by now what to expect. When I See what it's in the DLC, I also Kind of hope that if it Turms out to be underwhelming, I'll have all the conviction I need to kiss it good bye
This game kinda disapointed me but I can understand how the people who loved this game feels and what they see in it. We have different opinions and experiences and that's ok.
I agree! I'm not here to tell anyone they're wrong for liking this game, I just wanted to talk about my personal experience with it. I know people who loved the game are going to be mad at me for being mean to KH3, and I wish people wouldn't take criticism of this series so personally, but oh well.
@emna I’m glad you understand. Seriously, I couldn’t tell you how many people who have called me out for liking the game lol. It’s a little depressing honestly.
It's the other way around for me. I liked it but i can understand wgy other people , especially long time fans, don't like it. It is very flawed but i still had way too much fun to call it bad or dissapointing personally.
@@TheKingofZock Easy to see that now.. nobody was trying to break the combat system back in the day. We just played it for what it was. Plenty of older games have breakable systems tho.
Baron von Hindenei Good times tho man I remember loving every second of bullying the lingering will with the fenrir cheat because I wanted to take out so much rage on him
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Salty?? Nah, i love vids like this that rip kh3 good, i loved kh3 but i also enjoy hearin y ppl hate it so u do u bro 👍
"The game should've been as good as a 14 year old PS2 game"
This is literally what I have been saying since I beat it.
Good man.
Exactly. Why would I be satisfied with a game that is just a straight up downgrade of a decade old game?
@@HyveMindsGames Ya know, it's funny, people told me that that's a ridiculous argument. They never explained why, but they did.
But people also told me that the game's great if you don't see it as a finale, so I don't know how seriously I wanna take people.
Also your video's great. Just wanted to say that.
Thanks man, glad you liked it!
I mostly heard the complaint that people "unfairly" compare KH3 with KH2FM. Because apparently KH2 had the same flaws as KH3 and only the FM turned it into a masterpiece. A sentiment I disagree with. I grew up with vanilla KH2 and only played the Final Mix when 2.5 released. I still think KH2 - even in its vanilla state - is the high point in the series and leagues better tham KH3. Gameplay, story, pacing and all. Of course, the FM improved things, but it turned a good game into a great game. With KH3, I think we got a mediocre game that could become good & a satisfying conclusion of the first saga with future DLC. The question is, why should we accept or even defend this practice from SE? We got what feels like half a game with some serious flaws at full price. KH2FM should not be the pinnacle of the franchise. More than a decade later, it should be its baseline.
Also: Great video with good points! I love watching constructive criticism to put my own feelings into words. This video reminded me why I was so bummed out, even angry, after finishing KH3. Nomura's interview from the KH3 Ultimania is also very insightful - but also depressing if you still care about the franchise and were disappointed with KH3.
@@Reviel17 Exactly. On pure controls and game feel alone, KH2 easily wins against any other KH game, and that's ignoring the base game's substance. I shouldn't have more trouble with base KH2's Standard mode, than with KH3's Proud mode, and I should especially be bawling a lot more from the climax than the second act.
What I find the most troubling about defenders of KH3 is that they apparently don't see that people critical of it (I don't wanna say most cuz I don't have the numbers and I know some are only in it for the bandwagon) just want it to be better. I know I don't wanna take their experience with the game away, I just want it to be even better. I want Square to fix the game, I legitimately do. I don't think it's acceptable for them to have to do that, but I'd rather they did than didn't. And fact of the matter is, it can become the best game in the series trough that method. I wanna see them try, at the very least.
I will say though, i don't personally feel like the game was a waste of my 60 dollars. I don't necessarily think there was a lot of it that was cut out, I just think it was mis-handled. I don't think it needs new scenes necessarily, it just needs re-writes. Now, it necessarily does need a re-design of the combat system, but I think I'm giving it a pass just because this is the best team Osaka game, at least from a gameplay perspective, I don't think many people would disagree with that, and in its own little way it's a reason to praise it. It's not acceptable, but it's reason to praise it still.
Xehanort: takes over terra's body. Ruins friendships. Ruins lives. Unleashed the heartless. Causes several worlds to fall into darkness. Kills kairi
Also xehanort: hey bro I'm not evil. I'm just misunderstood.
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He was just testing their light by making things real dark. And he tried to help Kairi develop her character but she obviously failed each time.
Aren't we all
@@TheDestineyAngel lmao
But Sora still gives zero fucks and then Xehanort dies.
"Ok I believe you"
Fans: no ff characters? This game sucks.
Moogle: Am I a joke to you?
Fans: yes you are.
Nice outdated meme
Outdated or true?
Cloud statue counts right?
What?
it should be am i a joke to you kupo?
I feel like KH1 was the ONLY game in the series where going through the Disney worlds made sense and it wasnt just 100% useless filler
Because in KH1 they managed to at least make it fee like Sora and pals as well as the heartless had an actual impact on the story in some way.
With Tarzan, Sora was the reason that Tarzan was basically at the wrong place at the wrong time for most of it while the Darkness in the hunter's heart attracted the heartless.
In Atlantis, Sora directly strengstens Ariel's desire to leave the ocean.
In Olympus Coliseum Sora helped foiling the plot by Hades who gained the help of Cloud, basically evening the odds of another invader to the world.
For Wonderland Sora had to clean up the mess that some heatless had made.
In Neverland, Riku and the Heartless directly worked with Hook so Sora and crew were also there to counter-measure that and put the story back to course.
Similair thing for Monstro
And in Agrabah Maleficent kicked off the plot and Sora and crew were just there to fight the heartless really.
But yeah, each world had some kind of change to them or the story itself got kicked off by someone who was not there originally.
Kingdom Hearts 2 it kind of made sense at least for the new worlds. The old worlds it felt kind of bland though.
I'm a much bigger fan of KH2 but I absolutely agree with you on that. There was no reason to go to the Mulan world. Just wanted to get that out of the way and be done with it. There were several that felt like that.
It seems hard now to make disney worlds more relevant again due to having too many characters. If somehow nomura is able to make disney worlds relevant again despite having a lot of characters I would give him a round of applause.
Kh2 felt better in a different way to me. Maybe just the choice of worlds
Ironically, KH3's story feels rushed.
That’s probably because of the pacing.
True, but I think they also meant how, for instance, Scala ad Caelum was cut in development
pacing was dog shit, worst in series for me
@Mahadeo is that really any different from every game post-KH2 though?
@@thedenalski4038 It really does seem like it was cut from the game, it seems like a really expansive area with lots of platforming to be used as a boss arena. perhaps it was originally meant to be explore-able but was cut due to the game being rushed for 2019.
Technically you werent wrong about KH 3 only having 2 disney bosses because the titans arent part of KH3. They are part of KH 2.9
They've played them self
I really hate how useless Kairi and Aqua were in the game and how Axel literally became a comic relief character. Oh and no Final Fantasy at all? Like...really? They've been in every KH game right?
Except by Sora, any other character looked useless. Even playable character like Aqua and Rikku were only there just to be saved by Sora.
THANK YOU. Kairi could've been epic and AQUA IS AN OG. LIKE HOW
@@ayhalagala7467 Aqua; im going to show how im not weak! Screws up.
@@Feja2503 just like Riku.... and anyone else, apart from Sora 😑
DUDE in the end when you helped axel and Kairi fight I had to jump away to see if she would do anything and she literally just got beat up until her health was finished I didn't even get to see her swing her keyblade and after Anti-Aqua, Aqua just became a wife waiting for her husband to return from the army
FUN FACT:
In KH3 we have all these clunky Disney Attraction Attacks. But in Walt Disney World Resort (Orlando) we can't find a SINGLE Kingdom Hearts attraction or reference. Not even a Keyblade keychain in the stores.
Thats because of legal reasons.
You can get a pin of Mickey in his orginization cloak, which I think is the only piece of KH related merch I've seen.
How about in Epcot's Japan pavilion? They had KH stuff there back when I went.
@@hchozn That's a lame excuse. Not from your part, but from Disney itself to claim it. Rights can be purchased, and if the franchise is already based on Disney material, I don't see why they couldn't make it happen.
I’ve found that Disney has majority rights over the series.
Major Disappointment for me was twilight town. Tram district, tunnel, forrest and mansion thats it.
Not even mansion, since you can't go in lol
Front yard of mansion
Yeah it's the biggest pile of bullshit
No sandlot, no lazy afternoons theme, no being able to go on top of the train station. Sad.
Agreed with that, but it didn’t ruin the experience for me
No struggle either
IMO:
KH1: Best Story
KH2: Best Combat
KH3: Ummm it looks nice....
Fuck, right where it hurts.
Nice shit opinion you have there buddy
Well IMO the other hand:
KH1 = Smash 64
KH2 = Melee
BbS/DDD = Brawl
KH3 = Smash for Wii U
KH3 definitely has the weakest story out of the mainline games, I can agree. But i didn’t think it was bad.
It doesn't even look that nice :'''( KH2 remastered/final mix/2.5 had much better character renderings. ... Herc especially bothered me in KH3 his proportions were all off. Oh, and Donald, what even. And Sora's face is unrecognizable I hate it! I don't mind the FF glowy filter realism, but Sora's facial design is a just plain bad reinterpretation of his familiar face. Riku, in contrast, was done well.
I feel like this game was dumbed down for people new to the series. The devs probably did not trust the long time fans to remember what happened in the "plot” of the previous installments, due to half the time in the cutscenes was just characters explaining what was going on in the last game. I played this game without skipping anything and all I could think was, "yes I know, I saw that happen in that game, why explain it when we already saw it”
Zebul Devil Right?! I was so stupid and watched previous games online to have Full impact of what comes next. It was just a full impact of NOTHING!
I didn't even watch any recap video's on the series explaining the gaps that missed since I didn't play BBS, DDD, or that Aqua game, I forget what it's called. I guess I could add in 358/2 Days as well. All of those games I didn't play or watch any cutscenes of cause really, I didn't play Chain of Memories before playing KH2, yet I was still very intrigued on what was going on. Now playing most of BBS, half of Re: Chain of Memories & all of DDD has watched away SE of the disappointment of KH3 for me. Now I may come back to KH3 though if they release a Final Mix version. Also most of the stuff I liked in KH3 was the Disney stuff & even some of that was disappointing in certain ways they did things.
...how lmao union x was literally heavily related but didnt hold your hand at all explaining lol
Yup focusing on what happened in past games instead of dropping hints about the Foretellers, Daybreak Town and the danger that is the encroaching darkness.
But don't tell Nomura that he just thinks you all were waiting for 3 without going through to play previous games to refresh your memory.
He could've tied everything up nicely and given information on what really matters, the bigger picture that is the Master of Masters and the Foretellers, but Nomura couldn't be bothered to do that despite the fact we're supposed to be going into the Foretellers saga now.. Thanks so much for the not even half baked story Nomura.
@@Aeterny well he clearly wants to hold off till kh4
"At least I have KH2." And that is how I made my peace with KH3. It disappointed me to such an extent that I decided to label it as an alternate universe and declared KH2 the real ending of the series for me.
@@kx2174 in my headcanon it was "thanks sora, here have the gummi ship in case you forogt any side quests and can see your friends."
That's funny. My head canon is that Sora is dreamimg all of this crap in 3D and we haven't actually seen the true story of 3D. And we are still waiting for Riku to wake him up. So everything is fine.
@@tacticstories7159 I can be at peace with that
“This looks like a nice place to find some comments”. O.O
A LOT of comments. :P
You're like half of them lol
@hyve Haha. I tend to post a lot of comments in a lot of videos lol. And if I’m being honest, It’s a bad habit.
I think there's a lucky COMMENT SECTION here...
XD
Can we talk about how pete and maleficent found pandora's box in Olympus and then *nothing happened?*
I was like "Oh boy, can't wait until we come back to this world and fight whatever challenges pop out of it!"
The entire fucking game was all setup for their NEXT KH game. It was a fucking twenty hour (if it even took that long) commercial for whatever they shove out next.
I was wondering the same thing playing the game, but the credits rolled and nothing happened.
dandeentremont I KNOW RIGHT?! 😖
dandeentremont It could be DLC.
They said it wasnt the box they were looking for and left. It was just a Greek mythology joke
Its like the entire game is just one big avertisement for disney
Because it is. They don't even try to hide it.
@@Dommie222 especially with the whole "Attraction Skills"
Its supposed to be a disney game. Wtf u talking about.
@@supersytheir1472 It's also a crossover with Final Fantasy, as well as, y'know... a Kingdom Hearts game.
Always has been.
Was it just me, or did a lot of the characters lack emotional expressions? I just went back and looked at KH1, and their facial expressions and the way they spoke were much more lively and had much more emotion. Heck, KH2 as well. In this one, most are talking softly and look dazed, like they're not really feeling much of anything anymore. lol, it's like even the characters are starting to give up on the story.
Yeah, they're going for a more realistic look for the human characters and it just makes them look stiff. KH2 Sora's face is cartoony and expressive, now he just looks bored.
@@HyveMindsGames fun fact sora has witnessed enough of disneys bs
just saying( should have said this over a year ago).
I'd say the only downside of KH2 cutscenes was the lack of BGM in like 90% of them, cause the dialogue was very decent, it just felt awkward solely cause of the lack of music haha
Know what I hated the most about the game. Bringing back EVERYONE who died or disappeared on the previous games kinda invalidates their whole tragic stories.
Tad Load Final Fantasy characters.
I mean, that’s why this entire game exists in The first place. To defeat Xehanort and bring back the fallen heroes
I'm fine with defeating Xehanort and bringing back Aqua, Terra and Ven. The problem was when they brought back Xion and Roxas.
sounds like some disney cliche shit to me.
oh wait..
Shut up you dumb furry
One thing that bugs me that I haven't seen others mention is that the characters just felt like they're talking AT each other as opposed to having a believable conversation WITH each other.
shatterbound And what they were talking about was just soooo boring! I was missing a lot of drama in this game. Most of the cutscenes was just lifeless
Aqua: I guess it must’ve worked, that spell that I cast on you.
Kairi: huh? When was that? Thank you anyway I guess.
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Aqua: Sora good to see you again
Sora: ?
Aqua: it’s okay.
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The convos I’ve been wanting so bad, handled in the worst way.
Gamelover254 Seriously. Kairi did'nt care at all where She met Aqua Or where she came from. I mean her home town. It's a total joke
"You can actually scroll through these using L2"
... ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Too late now
Haha yeah, it'll be useful x)
they never ever tell you that right?! stupid game
How did people not know this? It was explained in a tutorial.
@@this-is-dawslife Not in the tutorials the game tells you about. Perhaps a tutorial you can find if you dig through the menus.
@@Badalight I believe it was mentioned when you first learn abt attractions and sit commands
I keep hearing "Cage" instead of "KH".
So it's not just me lol
me too, i was like what is this cage game? Took me a few minutes to realize he was saying kh 😣
Ooooooohh. Dude I was wondering g what the hell is cage
#unexpecteddavidcage
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I wish they would've made a playable Destiny Islands.
Agreed with that. Not a big deal though to me
Plenty of worlds that should of been playable that weren’t unfortunately.
@theinternet Umm, all he said was that he wished Destiny islands was playable. This comment has nothing to do with KH3’s combat. 🤔
@@hector4470 Imagine just chilling in Destiny Isalnds, and doing a bunch of tasks like in kh1. Thats the dream
When they arrived at Destiny Islands to find Master Eraqus’ keyblade, I really wanted to get out of the cutscene and roam around the place. See what’s new, like in Twilight Town, but unfortunately we went straight to the Anti-Aqua fight.
"Yah this is a pretty mediocre movie"
*whispering from offscreen*
"Wait... This is a game?!"
i can't believe you don't have 100 replies from kh3 defenders saying if kh3 was a movie, all the kh games were movies.
Saying this game is fully automated is a piss cold take my dude
The game feels like it's targeted towards the current younger generation, not the now adults who were the first to play KH2, it doesn't feel like the same old classic. I guess that's what happens when you delay a sequel for 14 damn years, its 'flavor' changes due to changes in the real world. KH2 was a masterpiece that will never be repeated again.
Exactly, the dialogue to me seems like it was especially toned down in complexity and depth for the younger audience rather than kept at a more interesting and useful impact to the story itself and for the older generations who played the past games. Im specifically talking about those LONG pauses in between EVERY..............TWO WORDS............THAT.............THE SPEAKER..............BREATHES OUT. Now, imagine if i had done that with my entire paragraph. I would have quit reading that by "two words" already. Thats just an example as to how i felt every time someone spoke during the millenia i spent watching a single cutscene.
I totally agree with this. A lot of people were complaining that the game wouldnt be able to introduce new players, even though the game had 3 in the title. Not only that but Disney had this game by the balls. So to blame anyone, it's society's fault for this games current state. 🤷
Because it IS targeted towards the younger generation. That’s how it’s always been. The intention was never to target older fans. Square and Disney know the older fans will buy Kingdom Hearts no matter what. It’s new fans from the current generation they needed to get.
KH2 is nothing compaired to KH 1. in KH 1 the disney worlds actually MATTERED. in KH 2 the disney worlds had nothing to do with the story and were merely side quests. like filler plots in an anime.
I also think it has to do with the fact that we’ve all grown up and experienced life too...
I could actually relate to Xehanort... and some of the things coming out of Sora, I was annoyed.... I guess that’s what life gets you.... darkness....
Honestly this is Kingdom Hearts 5. Chain of memories and Dream drop distance are direct sequels to KH1 and KH2 and shouldn't have been made on GBA or 3ds titles. Birth by sleep was a prequel that has so much background info that's needed for KH3 that you really can't skip it so that Kingdom hearts 0 to me. Coded and 358 days aren't as necessary but 358 days has some really important info that you can't miss if you care at all about Axel, Xion, or Roxas. Also the story in 358 days is the best in the series and only wish it had come out on PS3 instead of DS.
Why the hell did they expand into so many different consoles and make them all so important to the main story!? What kind of managers do they have running that company?
An idiot one, that's for sure
Also, KH-UnionX apparently cannon lmao. . . . . . . . that's so. . . . . . . . . reassurring
Well imo expanding the games into different consoles is a "smart business move". They make their money by selling not only the games, but the consoles too for the dedicated fans. Of course, its entirely frustrating for us anyway
@@synaesthesia888 I didn't know that sony and nintendo gave game devs commissions on all consoles sold..... or is it just bundles with KH games in them? Do those bundles even exist? Or is it based on like how many consoles Nintendo or Sony think were attributed to KH? How would they be able to guess that?
Unless it's a bundle with the game, I just don't see that being trackable.
I was pretty pissed off that the second half of KH3's plot revolved around the mobile game. Utter pisstake, even if they had the movie version of the events in 2.8
@@synaesthesia888 bro nobody cashes out on a console just for the sake of KH
You forgot to mention there are NO FINAL FANTASY CHARACTERS; that is one of the BIG things about KH.
The game truly was kingdom hearts 2.9 after all......
Nah.
DetectiveXigBraigBobbyFulbrightTheSpiritofJUSTICE yea
While I agree the game wasn’t an excellent game, the fact is that it concluded the Xehanort saga. Disappointed or not, it still did it’s job in that regard.
DetectiveXigBraigBobbyFulbrightTheSpiritofJUSTICE I just finished the game. Gotta say, entering in the last world is when they should have had the screen title say kingdom hearts 3 cause all of the Disney world bs didn’t contribute much to the story at all. But before entering in the last world, I took about 2 in a half weeks off the game just to forget what I went through only keeping the small important parts in my mind. This morning I hopped back on and felt I was playing the actual game and it didn’t disappoint... well alittle with the whole kairi thing. But I mainly wanted to see axel roxes and xion. That part made me cry and it was worth it. So I saved the game right before you go to last world to replay just that world again. So now I give the game a 7/10 kH2 9/10 and kH1 10/10.
P.s. 368/2 10/10
More like 9.11HK.
KH2 still remains the best. Great combat and I loved the soundtrack till this day ❤
Facts. Fuck 3. I'm gonna go back just to pretend 2 had the final ending. All this time and aside from graphics 3 is worse in comparison to 1 and 2 in every aspect?.. trash.
KH1FM is still my favorite but I love KHFM2 also
@@christianguerrero70 that's what i'm doing, keeping kh2 as my ending. luckily nothing about 3 was moving or memorable, so it's easy to pretend it never happened.
i saw this one girl doing a let's play of kh3 and she sat on the menu screen crying for 5 mins and would pretty much cry at every corny line in the game. i have a feeling she represents most kh3 fans. it was obvious from the beginning that the game could have literally been 1,000 times worse than it already is and she would still be constantly crying and talking about how amazing it is. kh3 was the only kh game that never made me feel the slightest emotion. rechain of memories had a far superior story and voice acting and had more emotional moments, and the gameplay was far more fun and addictive if you take the time to learn it.
@@angell6920
1. kh2fm
2. kh1fm
3. re com
4. bbs
5. ddd
6. kh3
re chain of memories gets a lot of hate but the combat and story kept me just as hooked as 1 and 2 once i got into it and learned it.
To me, KH3 was 50% cutscenes, 30% actual gameplay (where maybe 5-10% had actually something to do with Sora), and 20% was gimmicky, extra stuff. (Like the Bistro and shit)
I felt like the majority of KH3 was a huge commercial waste.. They put a lot of time and effort putting in stuff like attack commands that mimicks Disneyland rides (for promotional purposes) ((which appeared way too often btw)), and Disney Worlds with huge names such as Tangled and Frozen - with absolutely no coherence or involvement to the plotline following Sora and the gang.
Like with the pivotal scene with Elsa and Anna; Sora, Donald and Goofy were just in the background creeping.
And whereeee's the strategy..? In certain fights in KH1 and 2 you had to plan ahead with abilities and/or certain equipments for the battle to succeed - or straight up survive. Here's just like... Lemme spin in this teacup
Tangled and Frozen WERE involved in the plot. They hinted towards the ending.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE Yeah, but I mean... They could've at least included more "meddling" or whatever from the gang - seeing that they were just in the background the whole time. Especially in Frozen. Makes me think that Disney only wanted it there for the $$$
@@marianne9215 I agree 100% that the Tangled and Frozen worlds were just not very good plot-wise.
Frozen is especially jarring in this regard. At least in the Tangled world, you still felt like a part of the world. You accompany Rapunzel and Eugene as they head to the kingdom, and you have some fun with them while you're at it. Moreover, you get a proper good-bye from both of them. The world doesn't do much more than that, but at least it's something.
You don't have _any_ of that in the Frozen world. While the characters acknowledge your existence, they hardly interact with you. The whole plot plays out as if you never existed. You're just watching from the sidelines the entire time. And, the mini-game with Olaf's body is even worse than the mini-game with the dancing in the kingdom, which was actually enjoyable. That, and the final boss in Frozen makes even less sense than the one in Tangled.
I couldn't have said it better, My friend!
Something else about the plot that really bugged me was the ending *Spoilers*
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like the ending was just so ... anti-climactic and defeating to the long story-line they built. Xehanort finally has the X-Blade and whatever than Eraqus shows up and just says “don’t do this” and he just.. gives it all up. He gives up his resolve that he literally spent various lifetimes through time to devise just to ... not? It’s just so insulting tbh
Biggest slap in the face was that 3ds was basically a lie and 80% of kh3 was a useless lie.
3DS Yen Sid: Sora you're not a master because you didn't obtain the power of waking
KH3 Ven: Bro you've had the power of waking the whole time
There was also no point in visiting any of the worlds. In every other kh game you're in a world trying to track down a friend or foe. In kh3 you're just randomly visiting with little to no purpose whatsoever.
The ending with Xehanort could be better if after we defeated him, he is on his knees, the x Blade is not on his hands and he is starting to fade away. Then Eraquas(i forgot how to write his name) would say his " there is more to light" speech and Xehanort would chuckle bitterly and say "Well played" before fading away
I just wish you fought him with the other keyblade wielders instead of Donald and goofy
@@austincain9507 This a thousand times yes.
@@ray6240 Also why does sora need to do that too become a master anyways he saved the universe two times by the same guy
"Go train with Hercules" was a good start....
"Go to fuckville out of nowhere to watch Elsa sing" was a terrible continuation.
Where was "Go to Neverland and learn to fly again, you'll need it to defeat Xehanort".
Where was "Go to Arielle to learn how to swim properly, It may come in handy."
Where was "Meet up with Cid in Hollow Bastion, he might be able to help us with upgrading the ship."
Where was "Find Aladdin, Genie's help could become important in other worlds and we need him."
Where was "Visit Leon, maybe he can help patch up your memory in Hollow Bastion / Radiant Garden."
And no, I don't take "They were in a hurry, they couldn't learn all these things!" as an excuse. Sora lazed off in Tangled and Frozen, then collected 300 crabs in Pirates of the Caribbean. The time he could have used to relearn his power of waking was completely wasted in half the worlds.
Kingdom Hearts 1 taught Sora things depending on the world. In Neverland, he learned to fly which he needed in the final battle of KH1. In Arielle's world, learning to swim was more often an advantage than crucial, but for KH3 it seriously could have mattered. One phase of the final boss WAS a water fight.
You can just tell Nomura didn't want to do this. To be honest, I can't blame them. They wanted Toy Story in KH2 and they were shot down despite everything they did for Disney. They must have been pissed off, REALLY pissed off. After all, Nomura did tell them to hand over Buzz and Woody or there wouldn't even BE KH3 as far as I know.
"After all, Nomura did tell them to hand over Buzz and Woody or there wouldn't even BE KH3 as far as I know."
Wow, he must have REALLY enjoyed Toy Story. Still, I would have greatly preferred them as summons over Chicken Little.
@@razor-backfrogger4256 he used toy story for his verum rex thing that's based in his cancelled final fantasy Vs 13 project that looks like it's going to be crucial for kingdom hearts in the future
KHIII is to Kingdom Hearts fans what season 8 is to Game of Thrones fans.
Holy crap what a good comparison
It’s not that bad.
@BlastinNick I was the whole game "when do we get to the good part" and then realized I was at the end stretch.
No I did not enjoy it at all
At least got S8 was such a fuckup because the writer wasnt behind it.
Kh3 had the same main guy behind kh2 and still went like that.
I'm a fan and I loved it
That's not even in the same ball park dude.
KH3 is the equivalent of the season finale of Game of Thrones
So much potential and built up story, thrown away :(
if the original team had worked on this, i'm sure they would have concluded all of the unfinished stories from kh2. cloud and sephiroth left on a cliffhanger, beast and belle seemed like they had their conclusion coming. disney was more concerned with advertising their newer movies and corny attraction rides.
Amen.
Bullshit
Game of Thrones finale was character going off character
At least in KH3 everyone follow themselves
ZackAshM yeah too bad there wasn’t any real build up and this game was just things happening
@@BabyGirlTiny the built up are all the spin off until now tho
I guess I was in denial when I was first playing. I really was excited for this and really wanted to like it too but your summary pretty much speaks my thoughts..
Exactly how I was
I’ll be honest. I was disappointed in some parts of the game too. But I didn’t see it as a bad game, nor is it’s story. In my opinion, I thought they did a great job concluding the Xehanort saga. Xehanort was beaten and accepted defeat, the Wayfinder and sea salt trios got their happy endings, and ansem reuinted with his apprentices.
Of course, that doesn’t mean the story has its flaws. I do agree that it was a big disappointment that all of the important story stuff was saved for the end. I would have preferred if it was sprinkled throughout the game and not thrown at the very end. But regardless, I still felt they did a great job finishing this saga.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE you're right with everyone's happy ending but I felt most of it was just retelling of Disney movies, which we've all probably seen. The difficulty wasn't challenging, I remember spending hours strategizing in KH2 on boss fights and actually enjoying it, not feeling bored :/. I agree tho, the ending was really good, it hit the feels but I really wish the story progressed more than just the last 4-6 hours of the game.
It just felt like a let down after all these years waiting.
Hopefully, the team realizes their mistakes and take our feedback into consideration for KH4.
@kass While I don’t see it as a let down, i can agree with everything you said.
Same smhhhh I was soooooo hyped. I even got the GameStop advertisement prop to go in my room. Funko pop dolls and all.....for. Just this???? Smh
I wished we could run around the Darkworld as Riku...
Tabby Scientia I honestly believe that will be the DLC because what else could they do? Riku or Kairi story I feel will be the DLC.
Tabby Scientia I felt so powerful playing as Riku and he felt FUN I want MORE of that
Call me Zelda ONE moar time omg, yaaaas
for like 5+ years i kept picturing KH3 to have a section where you play as sora going thru the Darkworld with Riku looking for Aqua, and that would lead up til the big save for Aqua, i was TERRIBLY dissappointed when Sora freaking instant transmissioned there directly into the fight. they INSTANTLY to Ventus..meh
CrowPiper I agree 100%. So rushed I couldn't even understand what the hell was going on.
Who else is in the “I never figured out how to actually control the gummy ships” Squad?
I was always flying super high and I avoided the fights so my gummy ship is VERY weak 😂
I didn’t even do any fighting in the gummy ships past the mandatory mini bosses
Yep
i loved the gummi missions in kh2. in 3 every battle felt boring and identical, and was like a generic arcade shooter.
@@Jack_80 if you liked the gummi in 2 I personally thought 3 was better than 2 in that respect
Looks like I won't be able to fight Sephiroth in this game like KH 2...
R.I.P. the black jacket superman
(You will be missed....)
If we get him back in KH4 they'll probably just replace him with the Supergirl Superman who's voicing him in FF7Re, eugh
The only reasons my wife and I slogged through this adventure was because we were waiting, hoping for something better. Everything left us asking the questions, "Why are we doing this? Why is any of this happening?". The answer? At this point nobody knows. It doesn't seem to about the disney worlds. It doesn't seem to be about the meta story. It doesn't seem to be about the characters. It's just a lot of the same thing happening over and over and learning nothing from it. Can't wait for Kingdom Hearts 3.5/2 re X: The Shadows Light.
Tell your wife to lose weight
@@zerek1726 nice troll fail, loser.
@@toottootsonicwarrior5777 Wow someone got mad that their wife is a fatass lmao
@@hawapxwa Stay mad incel
@xanek Hey, it’s just their own thoughts on the game. Because while I disagree with them like you, I still respect their opinion regardless.
Kh1 and Kh2 were better. Those had actual satisfying conclusions. This game felt like more sequel bait than an ending, despite the fact that it was the "conclusion" to an entire saga. The ending world was the shortest we've ever had in any of these games, and the villains got their "one line apologies" while xehanort was treated as some sort of misguided good guy instead of the insane bastard that he was in literally all the other games. The final boss fight itself was too short and underwhelming, especially when compared to Xemnas and Ansem's boss fights. It also doesn't help that Xehanort's new V.A sounded like he couldn't give less of a flying fuck about the role. I don't know how it's possible, but this game that was in development for half a decade, honestly felt rushed, especially with the ending. The story was bad. The disney worlds tried to be relevant, but their only use was introducing the "box" that would only prove to be more sequel bait and the new seven princess which also didn't matter for the story of kh3 since we knew that the 7 guardians would be found regardless. The only true worth in going their was for Sora to learn the "power of waking" which he learned through ventus, so ultimately those disney worlds didn't matter. The game was a giant waste of potential and had the worst pacing out of literally any of the other games in the series. Ultimately, it seemed more like a method for Nomura to throw a temper tantrum about Versus 13 instead of a game dedicated to kingdom hearts. It's a solid 6/10. Also fuck Kairi.
It wasn’t supposed to be a conclusion though. To Xehanort yes, but not the entire story as a whole.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE It's the conclusion to a major saga that encompassed and was built up by 10 games. It might as well be the conclusion to the whole story at this point. I really hope that Nomura doesn't make the same mistakes for the actual finale of the series, whenever that may be.
True, but it was already confirmed years ago this wouldn’t be the last game. I honestly didn’t expect a true TRUE conclusion.
Kh1 wasn't better
Yes yes. Damn Kairi.
the dialogue for this game was extremely cringy
Exactly.
I thought I was listening to an episode of the Teletubbies.
ThaKodak Monsta You cannot be serious rn, you realize the ALL of Kingdom Hearts is extremely cringy... right??? XD
It's always cringie
BlueBoyX95 And?
ThaKodak Monsta just like every other kingdom hearts game
I think that the main problem with KH3 is - along with what you said - that the game retconed what the whole series made.
I mean, Axel's sacrifice, the whole plot with Roxas and the first part of KH2, Xion, the sacrifice of Aqua to protect Terra, the origin of Ansem and Xemnas, the build-up to those main villains... What was done in Caste Oblivions.
All of that is pointless with KH3. Axel is back, Xion and Roxas too, Xemnas and Ansem are just subpart vilain without any form of will, Marluxia has no more personnal goal, The BBS trio is back together like nothing happened even if verything happened ten years ago.
Really ? DDD's plot was really bad, but it is even worse with KH3.
DDD is the biggest reason why most of those things happened lmao
Jepp. And don't forget all those stupid conversations. Kairi meets Aqua and she doesn't even bother asking where she met her. It's so unbeleavable and a Bad fan fiction.
How dare you. I loved DDD, dropping in and out with Riku/Sora, it felt like my own personal anime. Completely agree about everything else though lol
Yeah, that's what bothered me most about this game. Undoing everyone's sacrifices. I don't even feel anything when listening to Xion's theme anymore cause now I know despite her tragedy she'll just come back to life outta nowhere in 3. This game ruined KH for me.
@@madnessembodied2473 KH3: 99% of what happened before was meaningless. I really hopeed Xion would just stay forgotten or no more than being remembered again.I kinda hoped terra would help sora defeat terranort and let his; some day i will set this right mean something. I think that would have been nice. Someday, but not now.
It took me over a month to really come to terms with the reality of KH3. I honestly did not want to accept it.
Now im here. Watching this video. And im still hurt by how KH3 turned out.
Honestly, the game isn’t really bad. But it is clear that it has flaws.
@MisAnthro Pony nope. It was pretty mediocre.
@MisAnthro Pony 2 was great. This being "good" sounds mediocre.
@MisAnthro Pony how am I elitist? Simply because I believe 2 is better?
@MisAnthro Pony No it wasn't good. Was the worst KH game ever.... shit, even chain of memories was better....
I paid $60 to beat the game in 5 days. KH2 took me weeks. That's playing every day after work and being single. I'm 33 married with two young kids now. Sigh.
How about get a real hobby instead of playing kids games at 33?
Xanek V Haha. I have plenty of hobbies man. Started this franchise when I was 16. Cut me some slack.
Yeah we all start the series as teenagers the the true kingdom hearts fan should be in there late twenties or early thirties
I beat kh2 in 3 days why did you take weeks.
You are right, this game has about 25 hours of gameplay for the main story. Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 both had 40 at least.
As a long time fan, KH1 and 2 blew me away. Never expected any of what occurred and I was so hooked that I probably played both those games a dozen times or more, unlocking new items and side quests, etc. When KH3 was announced, of course my heart exploded. I truthfully didn't play all of the side games since KH2 but played a few to grasp the gist of the overall story. When KH3 came out, I sank into it and was impressed by the graphics, the updated combat, but found myself quickly kind of like "Um...that's it?". The lack of worlds, the absence of FF characters, items, side quests, etc bummed me out. It was as if most of the core of the series was stripped away to just "complete this game and move on". I haven't touched the game since I beat it in January, which to me, says A LOT.
i traded mine in right after i beat it, never wanting to look at it again. i could barely bring myself to finish it the first time it was so bad.
Jack M Wow. I have the same feelings. I want to turn it on but I just can’t. It wasn’t worth the money or time we waited.
@@Jack_80 I was able to get back 40 of the 60 euros I spent, best move I could have done with kh3
@@yoster39 did you bring yourself to play through it first? i barely could, both the story and combat bored me from start to finish. even the gummi ship battles were terrible. i had so much fun with the gummi missions in 2, not sure how so many people think it's better in 3. in 3 every battle is identical and it's set up like an old, generic arcade shoot em up. not sure how anyone found that more fun that the large variety of amazing missions in one. i would get so addicting to it in 2, spending hours building ships and trying to 100% the different missions. in 3 it was so lame i wished they had just left it out entirely.
@@Jack_80 at a certain point I was just bearing the game waiting for it to get good, we all know kh has those moments when it's bad but... That moment is whe whole game here
All of those spin-offs doomed Kingdom Hearts 3. They had to try to tie all of those stories into KH3, and it ended up being a convoluted mess.
It just keeps getting messier too
Once time travel entered the arena all bets were off
Lol, it's been a convoluted mess since KH2, pretty much...let's not kid ourselves.
Nonsensical rubbish absolutely impossible to follow. *sigh*
Everything up to Re:coded was ok. Like everything made sense in a way if you followed all the games up to Recoded. DDD is what changed the direction of the series.
Video begins
"KH3 isn't the worst game, but it's the biggest disappointment"
You already got my like after that
Edit: Watched the rest of the video now and I can't agree more. All your points were great. Great review
You have really low standards huh?
Good too see people can't take other opinion that aren't "This game is amazing 10/10".
@Why are you always crying? Combat was way better and there was more variety on KH2
@Stand up to the Comment Section kh3 combat will NEVER be on the same level as kh2's combat.
Xanek V lol what?
I have chosen to believe that the series finished with the KH2 ending.
Same here.
From now on, when I play the series, I'm going to play Birth by Sleep, then Kingdom Hearts, then Chain of Memories, then 358/2 Days, and end with Kingdom Hearts II.
@@surprisedwoody1025 Fuck it, i'l just play KH1, CoM and KH2.
U guys are babies
Yea yeah
KHIII in one word; "Eh."
My biggest problem with KH3 can be summed up in the ending. Holy crap the ending felt SO rushed and so underwhelming, there was just WAY too much stuff going on and WAY too many characters thrown in at the last minute which created a really incoherent story. I know this game may be trying to make everyone happy by giving each character their own conclusion but it's really not, and if you have to push characters aside so that others can be focused on, then that's a sign you have too many.
Every time I play this game I'm always blown away by how many things had potential, fan favorites Aqua and Roxas were teased really early on, Axel was given a Keyblade and was going to be a good guy, Kairi wasn't going to be useless anymore, and every hero and villain that fans grew to love would make a comeback in this big epic finale. I have no problem with all this stuff that they wanna put in this game, but it all really suffers under it's own weight...
We're trying to give all these characters their own screen time and give them a satisfying reunion/conclusion but the only way for any of them to get their own screen time is for others to be pushed aside, now that's not a good formula for giving us moments with each character. Which is REALLY apparent when you think about how this game practically sneezed Roxas and Xion at us at the very end only to be wrapped up in a quick 2 minute action sequence and a brief cutscene of them crying just so the next lot of characters can be focused on, same with Terra and the BBS cast, AND all the villains. Such a disappointing payoff for what promised to be a really emotional and powerful scene.
I would've rather them cut this stuff out and worked it's way in through DLC's or even saved for a future game if it meant having a satisfying conclusion for an otherwise fantastic game. I'm serious, I actually have no problem with the rest of this game, sure there are a few little tippets here and there but other than that I think the game looks beautiful and they did a much better job this time around at making the Disney worlds feel a lot more open and alive (Like ACTUAL npcs this time around HOLY CRAP!!) and I particularly enjoyed the Toy Story and the Pirates sections. But like I said, what brings the whole thing down for me is the ending, I just felt like they didn't live up to everything that they had been building up to at that point. If this game had little more time to flesh out it's story and give each character a little more screen time then this could've easily have been the best game in the series. But as it is, it's just another solid entry in the KH franchise that doesn't fully reach the level of epicness that KH2 did. What a shame...
I played KH2 after I beat KH3 and now all I want is KH2 remastered with KH3 graphics.
TORIN111 they will probably find a way to mess that up 😂
@@owie2813 They definitely would mess it up because they would have Osaka team make it
Honestly, KH3 improves so many things that it’s actually hard to play KH2 lol
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE Aside from graphics and music, may I have an example? :S
Blocking in midair, faster walking, everything is voice acted, wall running, and keyblade transformations.
The lack of endgame events and the amount of mini games makes me wanna Scream XD
mini-games were definitely my biggest gripe with this game. they all reminded me of that stupid mandatory fruitball thing from BBS
XD
I didn’t mind the minigames but I agree the endgame was kinda lackluster. Needed to stretch out more.
its really sad when you finally craft the Ultima Weapon, and instead of joy you really just feel emptiness..because there's nothing really left to do with it after Dark Inferno
its a damn shame because the endgame practically writes itself...Mickey points out in the beginning that heartless are much stronger in the Dark realm than the world of light...if they would have made the darkworld a level, they could have made the entire endgame take place there, boost all enemy stats and make difficult trials. simple as that
The majority of KH3 felt like chess piece storytelling.
Character goes here. Character does this. Character says that. Pawn to King four (P-K4).
Nostalgia Critic reference.
Too bad they made 3 pooh's mini games, BUT THEY'RE JUST THE SAME THING
J0yb0y I honestly liked 100 Acre Wood in the past games. At least the mini games had variety and you could actually visit other areas. 100 Acre Wood was very short. I think it was even a harsher downgrade than Twilight Town, to the point that I actually wouldn’t mind collecting the pages throughout the worlds all over again
@@olly.speaks i agree... It's like there's nothing bad happens in the 100 acre woods... And the only thing they made is pooh searching for honey. Yes, they talked abot their friendship, but it's just a bit and a pinky size
@@SateLight Now, I find this "conflict" in 100 Acre Wood to be quite shallow or non-existant. Sora wasn't on the cover of the book, so meaning something must have happened. When we enter the world, it seems like Pooh has forgotten Sora, but he remembered him immediately just a couple seconds after. Everyone else clearly remembers Sora at first sight of him, so meaning Pooh didn't have anything major like amnesia, which was my theory at first. Played through the minigames, got Pooh some honey at got Sora back on the cover. Sora told Merlin that he was concerned about his friends forgetting about him, even though that didn't exactly happen...
@@SateLight If I remember correctly, Pooh did actually have amnesia in KH2, because the pages were missing. I don't really know what they were doing here in KH3.
@@olly.speaks well, the story is (spoiler alert)
Pooh just missed sora so hard that he became hungry because of it
It’s April.. I still haven’t finished the game. That’s how uninterested I am
Daniela Castro You and me both sister
Bitch don't act like you play video games lmao
Xanek V I’ve played every single kingdom hearts game since KH1 thank you soooooo much
@@zerek1726 le ebic gamer = playing Kiddy Hearts
At least you didn't get to the ending. That was a shitshow.
My version of the Thumbnail:
Sora = Nomura
Donald = Anyone who has played any other Kingdom Hearts game
I wasn't the only one who thought of that
I thought certain scenes were just somewhat awkward. Why do they need to exaggerate on the friendship power as it was the ultimate energy of the universe? I just think that KH2 is the best also because is more grounded. I really don't like how certain scenes reminds me a show for 5 year old children. Thing that I don't remember on KH2. Ok, it is a game with Disney worlds, I don't think scenes should be idiot though, with the power of heart and little lights over people's chests. Anyway, it seems that KH2 is the definitive KH game. All the mistery around Roxas, the search for Riku and Kairy around Disney worlds. The mistery around Ansem and Xeanorth without everyone being Xeanorth and things getting exaggerated. kH2 is grounded, the features present are just on point and not to say that there's more and it's bigger. I wish on next games they don't make certain things appear awkward but interesting as in KH2.
I agree, in kh1-2 sora was a great character, he didn't understand anything, nothing was put out to him on a silver platter, he was quite literally an idiot and it wasn't his fault. when dream drop distance came, we had seen that while sora did have his goofy moments, he also had grown, had matured, and I was excited to see how he would react to the same situations in the past games differently in kh3, but it turns out sora is a complete idiot, and it was his fault. Come on square enix, he lost his powers not his intelligence
The Osaka team ruined KH3's combat. I'm not sure whether Nomura or Disney is mostly to blame for the crap story, though. I'd say everything that sucked about the Disney stories was Disney's fault, and everything that sucked about the original story was Nomura's fault.
Like most of the people here, I still deeply enjoyed it, but I knew long ago that this game would NOT be KH2, even before we ever saw the first concept trailer. DDD and Coded took away all the mystery of what this game would be about, and all the trailers spoiled everything else. I knew it wasn't going to be nearly as good as KH2, and honestly, that really helped to curb a lot of the disappointment on my first playthrough, and it allowed me to enjoy the game for what it was without getting caught up in what was lacking.
That being said, Square Enix still botched this one bigtime. True, it's better than nearly all of the interim games as a complete package, but that's not the standard we should be judging it by. For as much buildup as this game had, not only in terms of the years of waiting but also in terms of the endless supplementary stories that were leading up to it, this should have been something monumental, and it fell really flat. I cried a lot at the ending just because of the catharsis of the reunions, and I really did think it was great, but the ending should not have been the only part of the game like that-it should have been like that throughout the game. It should have been sweeping, grand, epic, and world-shattering, but instead everything of importance was just relegated to the Keyblade Graveyard, one of the most boring worlds in the series, and few of the characters were treated with any modicum of care, respect, or imagination.
I've had months to stew over this game, and my conclusion is that it's a really good game, but that's still so far below what this particular game should have been. It should have been perfect. Now, having read all the early warning signs made it so I wouldn't be as deeply impacted by the disappointment as many others were, but that doesn't change the fact that the destination absolutely did not justify the journey.
I really love Kingdom Hearts and I've been playing it since it came out so I was really looking forward to KH3. The reason why I found this video was because I wanted to see if someone shares my disappointment. My first playthrough was on proud because I wanted a challenge, but I felt like I was playing it on normal. The quality of the game still amazes me but thats all I can say was good. The cutscenes were toooooooooooo long, the story was also a disappointment and I feel like their only focus was to get a good-looking game instead of making a rly good story out of it. I agree to all points, you made and I think its sad that this video gets so many dislikes just because you are talking about your opinion which is not a good one obviously. but thx for sharing!
Michelle W. WHERE THE FU K ARE THE FINAL FANTASY CHARACTERS?!!?
glad we have an understanding bro.
@MisAnthro Pony If Kingdom Hearts 2 was easy on critical mode, then Kingdom Hearts 3 was even easier. I completed both so I know.
Probably because people don't like overall negativity from someone who doesn't seem to actually like the series as a whole. While there are certainly things they can improve on, KH3 was far from disappointing. It's fine to have an opinion on things it can improve on but just complaining about a game that many MANY other people enjoyed despite its flaws really isn't something fandoms care to sit through.
@@tonyxBAx i actually think that people who started with kh3 instantly without having played the other games, do like kh3. It has good quality overall and the game itself is also good. But fans who played every single part can't see kh3 like that cuz they know something better than this. Fans who were waiting for kh3 for 14 years and instantly pre-ordered the game as soon as they could. They won't be satisfied by pure overall quality. That's what I think.
One thing you didn't mention but I will. The complete removal of Final Fantasy characters from Kingdom Hearts 3. People didn't like the game just for the Disney characters, but the ones relating to Final Fantasy as well.
So what? You think the moogle is a character from coocking mama?
@@foodforafrica509 you know what they meant, jackass.
It's sad to see how the story and narrative went downhill after KH1. It used to actually be pretty simple: There's a natural order to the universe, the heartless are fucking that order up. As the wielder of the only thing that can kill the heartless (for good), you must go to different worlds, respect the prime directive, purge the heartless and prevent them from destroying more worlds.
Thing is KH1 actually had nuance. As the series went on though it seems like the nuance was replaced by complexity, and complexity isn't inherently interesting.
@PerrySport SE needs to stop putting Nomura at the helm of these projects
@@lloydirving6209 I think SE for a long time has been trying to be this movie video game production company. The problem is they never got out of the PS2 episode in game development while everyone else has long since moved forward.
What they need is focus and to bring in people who truly specialize in cinematic and long form storytelling to work with their people.
Heck maybe invest in some mocap and actors for all these cutscenes.
Also cut scenes really need to be shorter. There is nothing interesting about seeing people sit and do nothing for 10 minutes repeating dialogue. Again other studios have solved this. They just have character talk as they got the next destination.
After this they need a clean slate. No Roxas, Aqua, or that one person. Org 13 is done, it's over. Nix the uniform.
Disney might need to go as well. Keep Donald/Goofy(or bring in some new sidekicks). KH needs freedom but also a lot of checks.
This game was super disappointing. And the voice acting was so TERRIBLE. To new fans it might be good but for the rest of us who waited 12 years it was not worth it
Bauti Pelo Largo Sombrero En italiano that doesn’t even make sense dude just wanted to point that out
Bau Cap. Bruh just shut up he’s clearly a fan and you’re just saying shit that don’t even relate to what he said. The game is called KH3, what else would he refer to, nobody calls bbs and ddd kh 3 and 4 you sound lame as hell
@Bau Cap. That... literally makes no sense.
@Bau Cap. dumbass
@Bau Cap. boy, you sure are a dumbass. I didn't even say anything about the release date of the games and here you are spouting gibberish. You're so delusional.
The titans do NOT COUNT, they are part of kh2.9 not 3
He's right, you know.
also did anyone else feel like that fight was a little... of the piss poorly designed variety
2.9 i get it its not done yet, BUT ITS NOT ANY BETTER IN THREEEEEE
...hashtag sad face
I'm technically correct, the best kind of correct
Well there is no 2.9 so...
@@Shadowhaze08 the olympus section of kh3 is referred to as 2.9 in the theater mode (and in the cutscenes itself iirc)
...KH1 is still my favorite
(runs away)
It‘s your Opinion and I‘m totally Okay with that no Problem ;) My Favorite is Kingdom Hearts 2
👌 Bbs is my favorite Barb-Q Baby Slice.
That’s your opinion. Personally, Xchi and Chain of Memories are tied as my favorites.
Kingdom Hearts is the BEST in the series
@derpyz It’s my least favorite honestly. The Story is too simple if you ask me......
That’s just my opinion though. :)
I hated when I died and the game would say to use a certain special attack with triangle🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
KH2 had similar tips ya know... 😂
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE well atleast kh2 always gave you the reaction command you needed...kh3 would tell you you need to use something and not give it to you.
They had over a decade to perfect this game and got our hope's up so high only to let us down. Some parts were enjoyable but it was really REALLY bad with the pacing, like the Disney world were absolutely pointless.
DDD was released in 2012 so they didn't have over a decade and apart from that, they had to focus on final fantasy that was released in 2015, so the main production took 3 years and not 10
It's literally the same thing that happened with Final Fantasy 15. Spent a decade on it and the only thing good about it was the graphics, scenery, and voice acting.
People using "literally" incorrectly figuratively kills me.
Man ... that is literally painful.
ElusiveClarity you really need to get out more if that still gets under your skin. “Literally” has been used figuratively for decades now
It's literally not that serious.
Feels like they jammed in all the loose ends to wipe the slate for whatever they do next.
j h 100%
I feel like that’s all this game was. It was just meant to clean up the narrative mess so that they can move on
@anthony I mean, this WAS the finale to the Xehanort saga.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE That doesn't justify a sloppy clean up. Not at all.
@scheck Nah, it wasn’t sloppy at all. I mean sure, some things could have slowed down a bit. But Everything was wrapped up very well of you ask me.
Nostalgia kept KH my favorite game series for over a decade, even when I slowly lost interest over the years with all the convoluted additions to the plot. KH3 finally smacked some sense into me that this is one of the most terrible story I’ve ever experienced in any form of media. I’d say KH would be dead to me if it weren’t for the countless good childhood memories, music, and some of the characters, but it’s definitely at the bottom of my tier list now. I won’t be buying the next installment day 1 like I usually do anymore, I don’t trust that they’ll put out an enjoyable game after this travesty and in hindsight, a couple of previous titles too.
I feel the same way to an extent but I disagree. Sure kh3 is trash but 1 and 2 offer something amazing in their own right..1 has the great story that anyone could follow. Darkness and all that felt so simple at the time but it didnt feel like it tried to be bigger than it was. Kh2 the story got weird but still pulled at one's attention. The gameplay improved drastically. Kh3 is the only LET DOWN in every aspec aside from graphics
From now on to me the series will end at KH2, so all my subsequent playthroughs from now will be KH1, Re:CoM, and KH2.
@@deathseekergibbsy yeah those are my favorite 3 by far. was surprised at how much i loved re chain once i finally mustered up the patience to learn and pretty much master it. it's way more fun and addictive than 3 and the story is far more interesting, and surprisingly even the voice acting in rechain is far superior to 3. luckily it's easy to act like it ends with kh2 because nothing in 3 was even remotely memorable to me.
Oh man, I feel exactly the same way.
You perferctly described my experience with this game. If my nostalgia wasn't there till the day I played it, I would have dropped this game very fast. Any yeah it made me realise how truly awful the story actually is!
As a long fan of this series I personally liked the game and enjoyed it but you made some good points here I can't lie Man good video tho!
Same.
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Couch gaming news yes how dare people have opinions
I liked it too.
This is getting a higher percentage of dislikes than videos that treat the game like a log of dog shit. *cough* Dunkey *cough*
I gotta ask why. This was a totally fair assessment from a FAN!
Me? Did I enjoy the game? Yes.
Was it the spectacle we were expecting for over a decade? No.
Dunkey was way too harsh. He gave the game 1/5 while personally i believed it was at least 3/5
Randomizer903 sometimes it’s hard to accept criticism on something that has done so well in the past 17 years also some people are really have a problem with those who like this game
@@meevil24 I mean he dosent like KH at all to begin with even KH2 so of course he wouldn't like this game.
@@lawrens8648 If he didn't like the series, then why did he make 3 whole videos about it?
@@meevil24 I don't know but he has said he dosent like it from what I herd from a lot of people( thought I don't follow him so it's just what I herd) and people make videos on stuff they don't like a lot on the internet. Thought it possible this people that follow him that said that were lying I don't know
It is all flash but no substance. This is what bothers me about this game and it is a reminder of what gaming is turning into. I hate that gaming is becoming so mainstream that it feels like getting lunch from the cafeteria at school : bland and prosaic.
Also, drive forms were awesome. And no ff characters. Really? In a square enix game. There are more ff characters on forza than kh3 which is very sad.
Drive forms became the broken form changes, sadly. Imagine if you could spam Final Form in KH2 every 20 seconds or so, this is what it felt like in 3
I mean, FF doesn’t matter anymore. It’s now about the original story, NOT the ff characters.
I will agree a few cameos would have been nice though.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE Yeah...but...you could say the same about the Disney worlds...
@nameless true lol. Makes me wish the focus on Disney wasn’t as appearent in this game.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE I feel it is more Disney than actual story IMO.
> I've played every game
> I understand everything in the story
Choose one.
And now you can get disappointed all over again with the DLC
You wont if you sold the game already like me. KH3 easily make me drop this series completely.
Exactly. I also done with it. This series is best followed in you tube. This hardly qualifies as a game anyway
@@xValsion i got rid of mine right after i beat it, and i really had to force myself just to get through it because the combat and story were boring from start to finish. the voice acting was the worst in the series and all the characters felt dull and empty to the point i could care less what happens anymore, and i was really excited to see what happens next. luckily nothing about 3 was memorable to me so it's easy to pretend 3 never happened and end the story with 2. how any actual fan of the previous games can defend this crap is beyond comprehension.
This comment aged perfectly.
You’d think with waiting 15 years for the sequel they would’ve done better with it. But sadly everything you said was spot on. I only beat the game to see how it ended not out of true enjoyment
Sorry you felt that way. I personally thought it was great!
@@zerek1726 Hahaha ur one of those guys that if someone said something took a 100 yrs ud yell that it only took 97 n a half!!!! Hahaha. What it boils down to is square enix surprisingly comes up with shit quality after taking forever, all due to horrible management
@amir He’s referring to the fact that other games were made after KH2. You weren’t waiting for KH3 for 15 years. You were anticipating.
@draako No, it wasn’t wasted. The HD remixes were essential as they contained important story to set up for KH3. This is why they were released multiple tines. Yes, part of it was for money. But they are also required to fully enjoy KH3. Also I believe Nomura stated in a previous interview that he didn’t want to remaster all of the games if no one was going to buy them. This is why 1.5 and 2.5 were separated. If 1.5 was successful, he would then make 2.5. Although originally I think he didn’t even want to make a 2.5 as he wanted to save time for development on KH3. But due to 1.5’s success, he decided to make 2.5 a thing regardless.
@draako Honestly, I can see those games coming to Xbox in the near future. From what I heard, Nomura said he wanted to port those games to not just Xbox but the switch as well once KH3 was done with. Same goes for any possible KH3 port to the switch.
Actually the soundtrack let me down. I was hoping for bigger quantity of original themes, not mostly new versions
Same. I was hoping for new songs, outside of the Disney world themes, instead, we got mostly remixes. Feels like this game lacks a lot of the magic and charm that made the others so memorable.
nah fam, i understand the soundtrack letting you down because it doesn't invent new themes for story related content, but i think there's a lot of original music in the gummi map, various disney worlds, etc. and objectively the musical scoring is brilliant.
I was let down by the dearly beloved in kh3
@@silversauceran Let me put it this way, I love the Dissidia games and their OST's. It's expected that they'd get a lot of remixes and arrangements of classic FF songs with some new pieces. However, with KH3 we got a Dissidia style OST instead of something like we got with KH1, KH2, and other games. Or even with the FFXIII games. Those games reused songs and had tons of new songs. Idk, maybe with the OST my expectations were too high.
I agree with you. I’m more disappointed in the fact that we didn’t get many Yoko Shimomura original pieces. Especially for the last boss fight which was supposed to be a grand battle, but fell so flat that it felt like it had no impact. I wanted to get that nice Yoko-style music with the violins, pianos, and grand score to let you that THIS is KH3 and shit was gonna go down. But for me, I didn’t feel that from the soundtrack. Takeharu just did a lot of remixes that didn’t feel good to me. It was so disappointing...
It really was a let down finding out that they basically recycled Organization XIII for the big baddies. Out of all of KH's villains, those 13 were the most popular, so naturally the creators think we'd want to see them again, but....it's just not true. Axel is alive and that's just fine, but I kinda felt the whole plot was lazy.
The Final boss in toy box should've been Zurg tbh.
Seriously, I wanted that so bad
At least in KH2 reaction commands had negative consequences if you did not react to them. Either you have a high potential to take damage or loose out on out positioning. KH3 is way more than a button masher than KH2 is or was ever critizied as being back in the day.
Cant say that for the frozen boss though. But then again, even if you reacted to the ball that boss threw at the party the boss wouldn't even take damage.
You mean, spam Triangle with no consequences? They were a visual spectacle, but they were one of the most brain dead mechanics. In some cases such as Cerberus in KH2, you're better off actually being hit by one of it's attacks because it puts you in a reaction command situation that stuns the boss, and all you have to do is spam the shit out of your triangle button.
This comment is ironic on so many levels.
Razhork I am not saying it isn’t brain dead. However I am saying that RCs are less brain dead than situation commands.
Spam fire at a bunch of enemies to get an AoE, spam different magics to get a lot of AoEs. Real complex. Your agruement is just as easy, if not easier to apply to KH3.
Its even more button smasher than KH 1!!!!! o.O
@@TheKrypticCode the only time the reaction commands in KH2 needed a 0roper timing were doing the Xembas boss fight and some of the data battles.
Now compare that to KH3 where there are a lot fewer of them in boss fights which I prefer since there's more of a chance for the player to use the wide variety of options available.
In short I'd rather be spamming magic than waiting on a triangle button prompt to show up.
And let's not pretend that KH2 was wasn't an X button spammer. Magic in that game was not as well utilized and reflect made a lot of boss fights much easier. Yes KH3 needs work on its difficulty but it compensates for the ridiculous amount of combat options it gives you to play with. At no point was I using the same keyblade the whole game.
I see a lot of people saying that Disney was being difficult about their content and that made the Disney Worlds lackluster and while I completely agree, it's gonna be a moot point if we do not actually speak up and make a point about it to Disney. Because they are just going to do it again in the next KH.
I heard the next one might not have much Disney
But at that point most fans don't care anymore. All I ever wanted was KH3 and if this is what they do today with games, I'd rather be not a gamer anymore. It sucks.
I was thinking about this after reading the news and have no idea how we could even try to get our voices heard.
Jasmine - Ruff-Puff I was thinking about a petition. But more for rebooting Kingdom hearts under an other director
Kingdom hearts 3 problems...
Small twilight town
No final fantasy characters
Way to easy
No jobs and skateboarding
Way to short compared to 2 and 1
You can’t explore the end world
Wasted map potential, especially an fransico
The ending was was not worth it for what the game was
30$ to access what should had been in the base game.... really bruh
What happened to struggle battles?
Way to much disney
Honestly I am a die hard kingdom hearts fan who puts kingdom hearts 2 as his favorite rpg of all time, but honestly it’s a huge disappointment to 2, especially with all the missing content
came here because soras announcement in smash made me remember just how disappointed i was in kh3.
The smash reveal basically put a bandage and fixed the damage this game caused...
yeah you're not alone, I think a lot of people were disappointed at the results of this game. After 10 years of being spoon fed handheld experiments that either went no where or only confused any story elements what so ever, its no surprise that the fan base is saying that this isn't good enough. the game is pretty but its lacking a lot of what we loved.
Nostalgia cash grab 3
How long did that unoriginal name take you to think of?
@@zerek1726 Don't get upset over this. That's just pathetic.
Xanek V It’s not like he’s wrong either way
I mean, I guess you could argue that for all of the KH games are like that lol. A nostalgia cash grab.
Only difference is that it has its own unique story within it.
The thing with KH3 though is that a lot of that unique story was saved for the end. Which I agree was a little disappointing
@@zerek1726 Is he wrong though?
I 100% agree with you!! I’ve played all KH and 100% all of them. But 3 feels unfinished.
I don’t get how it feels “unfinished”. It just lacks content. There’s a difference between something lacking content and “missing” content.
"lacking content" and "missing content" are synonymous. And yes, KH3 felt unfinished compared to KH1 and KH2, this one when I played it, it really felt like it was rushed. Not a lot of thought put in the gameplay. They focused too much on the cutscenes.
@coouge Agree to disagree then. I personally thought the gameplay was really well thought out, and the game didn’t feel rushed to me.
Also, hey there@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE I love chatting with you. I've seen you in many videos.
Nomura : Well, at least the gummi section is a bit more fun...
Nomura : Wait, that's not what you guys want? Ok
Imagine me waiting 13 years just to skip every cringe cutscene because its so damn unbearable.
Dude, KH2’s cutscenes were even worse. You should have expected the cringy cutscenes
DetectiveXigBraigBobbyFulbrightTheSpiritofJUSTICE magikarpusedfly made a good example of why the cutscenes are terrible, big difference
@@lukamagicc yeah don't pay too much thought to this guy, he's just been going around defending the KH3 title, which is fine, but he's on the wrong page, you can't encourage people to like the game by saying YOU like it, if that's not what you're trying to do then we get it, you like KH3 DetectiveXigBraigBobbyFulbrightTheSpiritofJUSTICE
. And KH3 "let your heart be your guiding key" is cringier than any KH2 cutscene ever made.
@jack I mean, I never said his opinion was wrong. And I’m not forcing the guy to like the game lol. Like you said, you can’t encourage people to like the game because I like it.
@@zerek1726 alright weeb. Looks like my comment made you pretty upset lmao
Short story: it could be better because it has been better
What ruined this game to me was the lack of a hub world being a major part also FF characters. In KH1 and KH2 traverse town and twilight town / radiant garden were major parts of the story and going back to them after journeying to other worlds and talking to everyone / upgrading made the games pacing feel alot better...with 3 I feel theres no mid game and no stoppage of playing its just a straight line to the end.
Square Enix: We’re totally gonna wrap Sora & Co storyline in this game!
also Square Enix: Lmao jk, we lied, oops
Justin Watson Always pretending that their games are worth our money
Tetsuya nomura is a bit of an edge lord. squeenix needs some of that good old hironobu sakaguchi inspiration/influence back
if sakaguchi was still with square we'd never get so many rehashed sequels
@@care736 and Final Fantasy wouldn't have had such shaky direction like the way it is now. God I miss Sakaguchi..
Nomura is a good character design but he's kinda bad as a director. I'm just waiting for him to make Cloud an emo again in FFVII Remake
@@Gabriel-sp1ji thankfully nomura didn't do shit in ff7re, just sticks to the original dialogue and put ff12's battle system on it.
@Andrés Francia i'm sure he'll find some way to majorly screw up ff7 remake, but like you said most won't be bothered by it. with the absurd anount of hype, it could be 100 times worse than kh3 and many would still praise it and act like we're idiots for being disappointed by it. it's like hype brainwashes many to the point where the quality of the end product no longer matters.
Nomura has let down more people than you can possibly imagine. Hyping the Kingdom Hearts remakes to Kingdom Hearts 3 was the biggest scam I have ever seen. Leading a franchise to a filler story with characters that have ZERO development.
We did get the best version of KH2 out of it though
He really didn't but okay
The biggest disappointment for me was
Spoilers?
Roxas and ventus meeting eachother like what the heck
Yeah they seriously didn’t need to bring back so many characters
Not gonna lie.... that background music selection is kinda fire, my dude.
Sora didn’t even feel like sora I felt like I was playing a completely different character
:/ What?
Ok seriously, what????
tbh sora has always been written in a weird way, even moreso than the other characters. he didn't feel like himself in ddd either. 1 and com are actually the only games in which i think he's a good character
DDD was the worst, I can agree with that. But KH3 really fixed him if you ask me.
KH2 Sora is still my favorite though.
This has to be the stupidest sentence here yet.
Thought i was the only one but it’s only like 70% of the time i feel like that
What bugged me the most, was the god awful pacing, like you mentioned in the video. Would it have been so bad, to for example rescue Aqua somewhat earlier, and have her rest? After the next world we could have saved Ventus, and taken our time with him resting, or even anything else, so not only the last 5h this game are relevant?
I couldn't agree more with you. KH3 is easily one of the most disappointing installments in a series I loved while I was growing up. I'm utterly astounded that a game can be both so basic and clunky and simultaneously frustrating as hell to play. Instead of appealing to longtime fans, their target audience was clearly kids who just wanted to see their favorite Disney movies like Frozen transformed into game format. I hate how the developers did NOTHING to tweak Frozen's or Tangled's plots to fit with the themes of KH. Oh, and don't even get me started on the absence of FF characters...removing a key element to the franchise wasn't a good move. That's even more proof to me that the developers were appealing to a less mature audience.
I think my favorite point that you made is 'WHY does any of this matter and why do we care?' I asked myself that over and over while I played the game and hit DNF because I felt too old to keep playing. It wasn't just the unsophisticated controls and lack of agency over the special attacks that annoyed me, it was the lack of heart (pun intended) and how as a longtime fan, I felt alienated. A younger kid will probably love KH3's bright graphics, the borderline silly, confetti-doused special attacks, button mashing for a luck-driven win, comically overdone bosses with no meaning -- but a more mature and thoughtful fan will feel totally lost here.
I firmly believe that KH3 should never have even been made. Sorry that so many white knights down-voted, because you're absolutely right on all points.
Alexa S. That was a really good summary. It's been almost half a year since the game came out and I am still frustrated over it. One part of me wants to make a point to square enix and sell it. The other part still hopes that the upcoming dlc will fix some of this mess. I should know by now what to expect. When I See what it's in the DLC, I also Kind of hope that if it Turms out to be underwhelming, I'll have all the conviction I need to kiss it good bye
I remember the reveal trailer for the Toy story world, I was so excited to see Sora fight Zurg.
Nope, never happened.
This game kinda disapointed me but I can understand how the people who loved this game feels and what they see in it. We have different opinions and experiences and that's ok.
I agree! I'm not here to tell anyone they're wrong for liking this game, I just wanted to talk about my personal experience with it. I know people who loved the game are going to be mad at me for being mean to KH3, and I wish people wouldn't take criticism of this series so personally, but oh well.
@emna I’m glad you understand. Seriously, I couldn’t tell you how many people who have called me out for liking the game lol. It’s a little depressing honestly.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE *COUGH* *COUGH*
I loved this game honestly not every kh game has to be better than the last. I appreciate you being an understanding person btw.
It's the other way around for me. I liked it but i can understand wgy other people , especially long time fans, don't like it. It is very flawed but i still had way too much fun to call it bad or dissapointing personally.
KH2 was so goddamn fire.
Yeah until you start seeing its flawed combat system
@@TheKingofZock Easy to see that now.. nobody was trying to break the combat system back in the day. We just played it for what it was. Plenty of older games have breakable systems tho.
Baron von Hindenei
Good times tho man
I remember loving every second of bullying the lingering will with the fenrir cheat because I wanted to take out so much rage on him
Baron von Hindenei kh2 has the best and most consistent combat system n the series what are you on about?
@@TheKingofZock I say 3 was flawed
The combos in 2 were perfection
recently got this on PC and the mods and DLC make it feel more in line with KH2 combat wise which is VERY refreshing : )
i feel you, this big floaty combat stuff is whack and feels sooo slow. i grinded to ultima and uninstalled i mean it was a nice form but meh..