Here’s Why The Porsche Boxster ALWAYS Beats The Porsche 911! The Simple Formula That Proves It!
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- There’s one formula that everyone misses about the Porsche Boxster and I will tell you what it is! I will show how the Boxster DESTROYS the Porsche 911!
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0:00 Introduction
1:16 The Genesis Of The Porsche Boxster
4:46 Porsche Boxster Model Guide
6:02 The Boxster Formula Which Destroys the 911!
7:22 The Results!
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I saw an ad for the boxster when I was around 10 or 12. I began to have dreams about it. I loved how it looked. I never thought I'd get to own one. In december of 2021 I had a 718 delivered to my doorstep in a spec much nicer than young me ever thought I'd get to own. At 23 I get to drive my dream car! I *technically* could have "afforded" to buy the S or GTS -- but I realized I was simply falling down the rabbit hole that many car enthusiasts do, which is wanting more of a good thing. Return on investment as far as fun goes is not linear, and being able to have something i really love AND not have it be a financial burden is why buying a base boxster is a great fucking idea. No, you don't need the chrono package either. Just drive the damned thing and realize how great it feels.
I took it down highway 1 here in california up and down the coast. Handled LIKE A DREAM! Anyway, to anyone reading this and wondering "do I need more", the answer is probably not.
You’re so right! Congratulations too!
Superb video! Thanks for doing it, I've always said my 981 is a better car than my previous 997. Yes! I had a 911 and then bought a 981! ;-)
I did the same thing. My 981 is far more fun than my old 911. Better looking too
@@maxt5034981 Spyder here, had a 987 S for 15 years. Superb cars.
in terms of the diminishing returns curve of the 718 vs 911, realistically this is true of most things in life,... if you want to buy good hi-fi equipment you will pay X.. if you want the absolute best hi-fi equipment that measures maybe at most 10% better than the mid-range stuff, you're going to pay 10X the price...
I own two Boxster. 2001 Boxster S and a 2008 Boxster. I am in love with these cars. I am 76 years old and when I am driving these I feel like am 25. What fun!
That’s just greedy, John! Haha!
Your videos are fantastic. Keep them going.😊
@@johnciummo3299 That’s very nice of you! I will!
The first time I did a lane change in my Boxster and turned my head to check the lane to the right, I had a flashback to my years as a motorcyclist- no windows, no pillars, no blind spots. It's more like riding a bike than driving a hardtop automatic.
So it's 95% of the fun of riding a motorcycle with about 5% of the danger.
If you don't mind me asking, what model Boxster did you have? After years of just having a motorcycle as transportation I'm starting to like the idea of having a rollcage
@@MTGTributes I have the 1999 Boxster base model, with the 2.5 L engine. Probably the slowest car Porsche has made since then, but fast enough for me. Can't believe I haven't gotten a ticket yet. I miss leaning into turns, but the slot-car handling pretty much makes up for it. Currently trying to improvise a ski rack for it so I can take it to go skiing.
I purposefully search out old hard Tyers for my manual 986 Boxster s just so I can drift around every single street that has a corner
😂🙌🏼😂
You make a great point.
The "backseats" in the 911 are not worth twice the price of the boxster and the fact the engine is in the right place in the boxster is even better.
As many have said the 911 Carrera is moving inexorably towards being a sporty luxury GT car and away from being an outright sportscar.
Great video.
Thanks!
Owned both and loved both. What you're not mentioning is the resale value after you had so much fun :)
True, I special order my 05 Boxster when it was available. I bought it for fun not for resale value. I have a collection SS Sports Rolex watches and Hermes wife’s bag for resale value.
This past July, Car and Driver named the 981 model one of the most important cars of the last 50 years. As an owner of a 981 Boxster S, I would agree.
Thanks for telling us - maybe he should make a video on this model. I am a 981S -B owner as well and would only ever trade this car if I get a good Targa. Only better looking car in my opinion
Can you please share that article here?
I am fortunate to own both a 2015 Boxster GTS and a 2005 911 Carrera convertible. Much as I love driving the 911, the Boxster has WAY more fun factor in terms of handling/looks/performance. Recently, I went and drove a 2015 911 GTS convertible at my local dealer to see if it was worth trading in my older 911. Honestly, other than cosmetics and modern gadgets in the 2015 911 GTS, I did not see the need to trade and more importantly, still felt the Boxster was a prettier car and handled WAY better. Over the years I have been lucky to own and drive many nice cars and I can honestly say that the 2015 Boxster GTS (981), is the best bargain and most fun car I've ever owned. So Jay, I totally agree with your assessment. Best deal out there and I agree, Porsche keeps the Boxster purposely slower so it does not undermine the 911. It should be interesting to see how the Porsche 911 fans view the new 718 Boxster GTS 4.0. Car reviews have been very favourable. My local dealer has orders for a pile of them already. Time will tell. Thanks for making this wonderful video, really explained what many of us knew, now you proved it with math! Cheers
Great comment here. Real world experience. Really glad you enjoyed it and thanks very much for joining in!
I have owned an air cooled 911 Carrera and I currently own the water cooled 911 Carrera, which I racetrack and autocross with the (Porsche Club of America, Golden Gate Region). At a certain driving skill set level, a good driver learns to use the rear weight of the 911 to your driving advantage by working the slip angle on turn entry/mid turn/turn exit.
You both refer to the driving fun of a balanced mid engine Boxster...or any mid engine car...I cannot disagree, however, once you learn how to "rotate a 911 on turn exit", YOU WILL NEVER DRIVE ANYTHING BUT A 911 !!!
Curious how you feel about the steering in the 2015 Boxster, given your familiarity with the hydraulic rack in the older car? I've been tempted to upgrade my 987 Boxster to a 981, but the switch from hydraulic to electric steering (and consequent lack of feel) makes me hesitate.
@@RussellMiddleton Very good question. I thought the same but then drove a friends 2014 Boxster S and was blown away by the connectivity and handling "feel" the 981 possessed. My best recommendation is that if possible, drive one first and compare. IMHO Porsche really built an outstanding car which provides phenomenal handling, power-to-weight ratio, looks (styling) and sound (sport exhaust is sex for the ears). Good luck in your search and assessment.
I was going to raise the GTS 4.0 issue. Some UK reviews suggest on value terms a 911 Carrera killer unless you want the space of the rear seats. Ideal would be GTS 4 .0 for short pleasure drives and a 911 Carrera as a grand tourer
I’ve had 3 x 911 and two Boxsters, they are all great cars
I do agree, they are as good as a 911 and the new ones in my opinion look better
EVERY time I drive our 2006 Boxster S I get out thinking "THIS is a _great_ car". It absolutely sticks to the road, I've never driven a car with such balanced handling. You can always seem to feed in more turn angle and it tightens more and more without ever struggling. With Mich PS4S tires on public roads you cannot really push the limits. Sounds good with stock exhaust and is unassuming. This car is all about the driver's enjoyment who cares what other people think.
This. 100%!
Exactly driving convertible in Hawaii is a dream come through, no winter storage, 12 months of bliss, even the rain is warm, and the rainbows,myb2006 s was made for the islands.
Very well articulated Jay. Spot on!
I have owned both, the Boxter, is just so much more FUN, and it has more storage (trunk holds my golf Clubs) and it is cheaper
Good review, I agree with your approach to calculating the fun/cost ratio.
I've had a silver 981 and now a white 718 Boxster and I don't see the point in spending all the extra money on a 911. Same interior and almost same performance for half the cost...I love Boxsters! I put the top down just about every day here in sunny Florida...
I am a first time Porsche owner after lusting for a 911 for the last 40 yrs. I was fortunate in life to be able to fulfill my dream and searched for months for a base 991 Carrera in the colors and options I wanted. While searching however, I came across several 981 Cayman's which really intrigued me. The mid engine concept, flat six, 6MT and an interior every bit as luxurious as many 911's. After test driving the Cayman, my mind was made up. Sure I could have afforded the 991 but my 981 Cayman is everything I hoped my first Porsche would be. I couldn't be happier and it's looks are killer! Great analysis relative to value. It's what was informally going through my mind as well but you described it perfectly!
Thank you! Sounds like you proved it though!
I agree with you 100%. I own an old 986 with now close to a 1/4 mill on the clock. Service it myself and found it very easy to maintain and fairly cheap due to ebay and YT tutorials. Otherwise locally I can not afford parts and the proper P service. Using it as a daily driver as well as a fun car that all my kids also drive whenever they want, we keep it pretty much in mint condition. Fantastic car, cheap fun and never ever did a feeling of richness came so cheap. My fellow members of the P Club look pretty much down on me but I don't care. I can never afford their new 911's, but regarding the Boxster, every moment, the past 10 years made for memories of total pleasure and immense fun.
Alexander, you are the poster boy for this video! It’s so good to hear that you are enjoying your car!
Ive recently bought a 07 987 boxster thats done 172kMiles. Still drives beautifully and is a head turner. I now find any excuse to drive.
I love this video. Thank you for your analytical approach to Porsches. A refreshing view.
Thank you for taking the time to watch it!
Super content! Thanks Jay. I entered the world of Porsche this year when I bought a 2004 986 2.7 as a 50th birthday gift to myself😁. Love the channel by the way👍
Thanks Andy! Glad you enjoyed it! Congrats on the Boxster! I’ll be 50 in May. I need a gift to myself too!
How about a cheaper 986 to keep the miles off the 996 and experience a bit of the mid engine fun💪. A reasonably sorted one could be had for around £6 - £7k here in the UK. I have the same dilemma as you next year regarding IMS. My local Porsche Indy suggests I wait for the clutch first😐 before replacing.
@@andyp6724 Haha! Very tempting actually!
After owning a base 986 (2003), a Boxster S 50 year anniversary edition (2004), a 997 C2S cabriolet (2006), a 997 C4S cab.(2007), a 997 C2S cab. (2012,end of production), and now a 718 Boxster S - the mid-engine cars are better; way more fun and engaging, more practical. Not quite as chic, perhaps, but I can’t see it when I’m driving it! They were all manuals, as is the 718 S I have now.
I fully agree, I have a Boxster and has been a great experience with a fair and reasonable price.
Ha. Porsche and "reasonable price" don't often occupy the same sentence.
Another great video. You deserve way more subscribers. Please keep doing what you do so well...
Thank you very much! More coming!
Nice video. My car is a 12 year old 911 and I love the way it looks and drives. I noticed my old 911 is still over a second quicker 0-60 than a new boxster. Either way I'm sure I would be very happy driving both cars. What a great choice to have.
I’ve owned a 996 GT3 and now own a 781 Boxster S. During PCA track days there were a couple of seasoned Cup car drivers in 781’s I couldn’t catch.
Phenomenal car in capable hands.
Couldn't agree with you more! Especially with the 718. Even the base models give the 911 a run for its money.
Having driven multiple different 911's I finally landed on a 718 Boxster with PDK. What a little rocket!
The way it feels beats anything I've ever tried before. So light and direct. You can say what you want about these new 4 cylinder engines but damn they're quick!
Hello from across the pond! Great video! Just purchased my Porsche Boxster s and picking up this weekend. It is all about individual taste and I think you are spot on! Cheers!
Hi! Thanks for watching! Enjoy the new car!
That research has to deserve a like
Awsome big man cheers for the info 👍🏾🏴
Any time! Glad you enjoyed it!
This is one of the best videos we have watched about the Porsche Boxster on UA-cam. Great fact finding and commentary. Love this dudes accent.
Very informative.
Thanks so much! Really appreciate your lovely comment!
Wow that was good. I did a calculation and of the time it took me to watch this video and the enjoyment provided and came to 110% fun for time spent. Keep up the good work. Like your channel..
Thank you! Makes me happy that you enjoyed it! More to come!
Cost aside. I owned a 2006 Boxster S and loved the car. It had incredible balance and cornered wonderfully but, I found myself wanting more power and more brakes. I have also driven a 911 Carrera 4S and I'm sorry, the 911 of the same era was a superior car, it gave me the additional power and brakes without sacrificing too much in the corners. I would love to drive the new 4.0 GTS that seems on paper at least to provide the best of all worlds. Cheers and thanks for the discussion.
Agreed! That’s the problem: one always wants the next Porsche! Must resist!
Breaks are great for a weekend away. Brakes however make the difference if you want to slow up.
Bought my first Boxster in 1998! Have owned every generation since and have never yearned for anything else. Ive been driving my latest 718bs for the past 4 years and can honestly say this could be my last. Just couldn’t imagine wanting anything more from a car now. Perfection.
Loving my new to me 987.1 5MT. Far better than I thought it would be actually. Great car
I have owned my 718 Boxster S since it first came out. One word. Incredible!!
A fun viewing Thank you, I have a 986 S 2002 6 speed and love its enjoyment and smile factor not to mention ability for ease of maintenance in a sport car, my mate loved it so much he just went out and grabbed a 987.2 Cayman PDK.
These cars should be respected! They’re great!
Great number crunching. I like the way you looked at this. I had a 997 C4 and felt the 4 wheel drive helped make up for the poor weight distribution of a 911. I spent gobs of money on it to make it a track performer and had a great time. A freak garage fire destroyed the car and I am looking for a replacement. I think a GT4 is the way to go and this video helps make that point now that I know how much I like track days. Thanks!
Glad it helped. I’d love a GT4. Incredible car. Good luck!
i have Boxster 981...2.7....amazing e beautiful car!
I traded in a 987 3.2 for a 981 Spyder, I miss my older Porsche, “ A newer Porsche is a better car but a worse Porsche”. Words of wisdom, you can thank me later...😹
Thanks for the video. I do own 05-911 Convertable and I never did understand the nonsense around boxsters. Mid Engine is always going to be better than rear engine but I simply like the 911 look over the boxsters of old. For the past 10 years now the boxster look just keeps on getting better and with it's superior handling characteristics unfortunately for some it will no longer be the cheaper version of the Porsche.
I have an 04 boxster 5 speed manual. I freakin love this car. Its my first porsche and the best 15k (6 years ago) i ever spent. Put the roof down, cruise the back roads of Pennsylvania and its a glorious day out with the wife. What more could you ask for?
I like that breakdown. This is something I been trying to figure out for a variety of cars. Best bang for the buck, track toy.
If you’re interested in ‘bang for buck’, watch this! ua-cam.com/video/Jg3MISE6PXk/v-deo.html
Yes, I definitely like your math and comparisons. Boxters give you more bang for your buck
Thanks Richie!
I have had a 986S, then the Anniversary Boxster bought new in 2004 kept for 15 years and last the 987.2 standard 2.9 with the PDK gearbox. The latter car with the PDK was almost identical in performance as the 986Smanual. Great cars all of them. A good extended warranty is advisable for peace of mind
Well this was fricken’fabulous, thanks! 😁🙌🏼😁 My car Bax, he’s a 981S and I got him specifically for his beautiful mid, and HELLYEAH I’m glad I did, I’ve never gelled so well with a machine; his balance and handling are phenomenal, and still enthral me after four years together this month 🥳🥰🙌🏼😁👌🏼 I look forward to watching more of your videos this one was ace 😘😁
Thanks a lot! Great post!
It came out in 1996 but the show car came out a few years before that 92 or 93 and that car was an absolute beauty. I remember being a little disappointed with the production car because it wasn't quite as refined. Love these vehicles and plan to get either the Boxster or Cayman in the next few years.
Yes, that’s right. 1993. Here’s a video (taken from @Midwest Exotics channel - thank you) of the real thing at the Porsche museum. Quite a thing, I reckon. ua-cam.com/video/nq1CCtybxoQ/v-deo.html
Great vid, very well put 2gether, what a Great way 2 compare the 2 cars 👍🏻😊
Thank you very much! Stick around! More coming!
@@JAYREAD sweet, I look 4ward 2 seein ur nxt vids, I've just subscribed, I like the fact that u take the time 2 reply 2 ur comments, thanx, have a great day 👍🏻😋
Just bought my first Porsche, ‘18 2.5 S and I absolutely love it. It’s not going to sit in the garage and I’m using it for my daily driver and hope I’ll be able to brag about how many kms I’ve racked up 😊
I was in the fortunate position to buy a Porsche this year and began searching for a 991 as I had always aspired to own a 911. I had a budget of 45k to begin my search. I wanted a particular colour combo which was proving elusive. I drove a couple of 991’s, amazing but I couldn’t agree a price with the dealer (they wanted my to finance the car). During my search I spotted a 981S boxster (in the correct colour/spec I was after) at a respect used Porsche dealer in Hertfordshire. It was close buy so out of curiosity I went to see and drive it. I’m so glad I did. The 991 was amazing but I was struggling to justify if it was worth the extra 15k by comparison! Anyway, I bought it and am happy that I did.
Love it. Great cars!
I agree, the 981-718 Boxsters are way better looking than the same year 911's. Prior years are very comparable.
Great vid 👍🏼
Thank you.
I have a 2010 cayman. I put it on Michelin PS4S tyres this year. Best thing I did. It's an awesome package.
Great video...and some very sobering numbers. I would have gone for a Boxster for all of your reasons but I needed that 911 back seat. Not for people but for stuff and the occasional cat and/or dog. If I had gone for the Boxster, it means I would have driven less because I do use the back seat area a lot.
I went with a sub $5,000 usd boxster for my summer daily driver, and a sub $1,000 4WD Jeep Wrangler tj for my winter daily/dogs and stuff "backseat" car.
I got my first Porsche a 2002 Boxster 5 spd in June. I drive it every single day and its goin strong! Done fuel pump and all 4 brakes/rotors so far
Congratulations on your car!
I'm sold. Great video
Picking one up this week:)
Great vid! :)
Thanks Daniel.
absolute sense....I have driven a few 911's and a few Boxters and I am sold on the Boxter anyway. It is so well balanced and fun to drive...the 991 Boxter with the 6 cylinder is the ultimate driver's car.
Very well said and very true! 👍🏼
Love this analysis - sneaky lol
Brilliant analysis. My gut feeling always told me the 718 is a 911 killer.
Except you can't take 2 friends for a ride
Love your vids fella. 👍🏻
I’m really happy to hear that! Thank you for watching!
I’ve owned Porsche’s since my ‘69 - 911T and totally agree with your comparison (even though I’ve never owned a Boxster/Cayman). I would also be interested in a comparison of maintenance costs between the models.
they are almost identical
Totaly agree. Owner of a 987, amazing car for that price. I would never spend more for a car, because it's simply perfect for that cost
really well done. thank you
My pleasure. Thank you for watching!
And that's why I have a boxster! Thanks!
Like we didn’t know everything in this video.... But, there is good vibe to this
Welp, I wasn't familiar with the power to weight and value figures...so there's that.
Resale value of the 911 seems to be better than the Boxster or Cayman. I own a 2015 981 Cayman S and I love it. But, it was $87k when new and I have to admit that is just too much money. The interior is nice but really not anything special for that kind of money. I have the 14-way heated and cooled memory seats but no fancy leather for my $87k.
The sales of the 718 flat 4 turbos are just not keeping up. I have no doubt that the only reason Porsche have brought back the flat six in the GTS , GT4 and Spyder is because of lagging sales and especially the C8 Corvette. I know I won't be popular with this statement, but that C8 is a lot of car and a well optioned one can be configured easily for less than my 981 CS.
Great video. Love the defence of one of the most hated and underrated sportscars out there. You have knowledge and form. 💙 Please get Yourself a good microphone/ a bit of Audio touchup because this can be absolute gold. 💙
Thank you! Yes, I think I will. My sound needs to improve, you’re right.
@@JAYREAD just seen the newer vid.
Loving the content.
Defensor Boxter 💙
I order my 2019 718 as my first Porsche because I wanted mid engine and only need 2 seats. I find the frunk and trunk very usable. The 911 is a great car but does not pull me in like the Boxster. Great review Jay
Thank you, Max.
Sadly, the only people looking down on Porsche Boxsters are probably Porsche owners and the occasional sports car buff/fanatic. Most non-Porsche owners will look at the Boxster/Cayman and say "it's a Porsche, it must be fast and fun to drive..." and not know anything about the price differential between a 911 and a Boxster.
100% agree!
Hells bells!!! I’m a proud owner and driver of a 1990 944s2 Cabriolet (again, a proud owner) …I always felt that the 924/944 saved Porsche’s ass from the flames of “Edsel Hell”. I love my front engine - rear transmission 944. But….I’d be lying if I d isn’t admit to some 911-Envy. But the newer Boxsters? It is one gorgeous car….and I cannot imagine that it would not be a helluva lot of fun on the Kancamangus Highway! Great video….and your points are “spot on” brother!!
Hey thanks a lot! I need to try a 944 one day. I really love them. ❤️
Great article re power/weight ratio and cost as basis to conclude 718 is essentially equal to 911 at a much better price.
I agree but the bigger point IMO is that the 718 drives like a purist’s sports car (lightweight, tossable, direct steering, linear power that is strong yet still able to be dominated by the driver) whereas...
the 911 today has become a luxury car that drives like one (heavy, number steering, digital everything, and turbo power that doesn’t feel as rewarding or playful).
I admit that the 911 has the 718 beat at the aggressiveness of the rear end; the 718 rear end, except maybe the GT4, is too feminine and soft IMO, even in GTS form.
Re the feel again, in the 718, I am referencing a 987.2 Boxster S Black (or Cayman R) PDK (330HP 3.4 NA) or 982 Boxster GTS PDK (400 HP 3.8 NA) VS. a new 992 911 S (450 HP 3.0 turbo).
To be fair, I have not driven a 992 GT3 or GTS, or any 992 in Targa or Cab, and I believe the open air experience is a an important aspect of the 2-seater roadster appeal for me.
I drove the 911 992 S 3.0 (non cab) back to back with the 718 982 GTS 4.0 (cab) today. So subjectively, there is no comparison, the 718 looked and felt like it was as pure and good as my 987.2 3.4, and the engine felt more exotic and strong to boot, but nowhere near $60K better than my trade value to justify the upgrade. It felt like going from a 9 to a 10 for the new one. The new 911 on the other hand felt sterile and like a video game controller. This is for a person that loves road feel and drives on the road at 9/10s for the couple days per week I take a sports car out.
Great comment! Thank you for posting! Real world experience!
Spot on.... bought my 2014 Boxster S used. Great fun car. Wish I could drive it all year long but living in Alaska is the issue.
I collected my brand new 718 a few months ago, delivers joy and fun every drive. Enjoyed your video Jay.
Thanks Monica. I’m jealous. I want one too!
One other thing, Jay. Am homeless presently and it’s amazing what I was able to pack into my little car for the next few weeks/months along with a cocker spaniel. Clever storage design .
Monica! You are living in your Boxster?! Tell me you are not sleeping in it please!
@@JAYREAD not yet!
YIKES! This is commitment to the brand, I must say!
Really interesting approach Jay - you are fearless! I would suggest that the 914 is also part of the Boxster’s lineage.
We have both a ‘00 986 Boxster & and a modified ‘90 911 - 964 in our family. We bought the 964 in 2010 and the 986 in 2018. Even with the time differential, the 964 was 3x the cost of the 986 - so certainly your hypothesis is spot on in terms of bang for the buck.
Both are phenomenal cars to drive! That being said, the driving experience is very different. In comparison, I would characterize the Boxster as offering more of a leisure driving experience and the (modified) 964 as offering more of a driver’s car experience. The Boxster is plenty quick (even with the base 2.5l engine), it is stable in turns and driving in spring or fall with the top down is magical. In the 964, you sit more upright, so, by definition you feel more connected to the road. Admittedly, with the help of modifications, the 964’s steering, acceleration, cornering and gearing are far more responsible - truly a driver’s car.
Having both is a wonderful treat! My personal take is that the driving experience of a Porsche is what it’s all about. I think an interesting comparison would be the driving experience of a Boxster & 911 of the same model year.
Ha yes! I knew when I made that one that it would stir debate! Good debate though. Great post, David. Love the analysis and I think you are spot on. One must enjoy as many Porsches as one can. There is no right answer here just a wonderful dilemma!
Weight and balance beats power on a track.
Love your video's Jay , I owned a 911sc around 10 years ago , should never have sold . A Boxster in now on my radar , either 986 or 987 , I do like the early runny egg headlights 😁
Then watch my Instagram. There might be one available shortly!
Bought a 986 S model, loved it so much had engine rebuilt by Raby Enterprises. Now a modified 3.8 making 300+ hp, a fairly serious sports car. Lots of fun. Top down always!
How much did that engine work cost, Scott? Sounds great!
@@JAYREAD About $20K; Stage II (forged components, balanced) with IMS solution, new clutch, alternator, starter, upgraded aluminum radiators, exhaust, etc. Engineered for better power below 4000 rpm. 10K miles on new motor, perfect so far. Plans for new wheels/ suspension components, intake/tune this spring. Aim is to end up with a 986 “GTS”.
Fabulous!
Jay, thanks for the fun watch. What other metrics did you consider for fun factor? I’m wondering if added metrics like acceleration or skid pad also produce similar results.
I did think of a few but the problem is that you’ve got to find one that is easily available to find or calculate. BHP/tonne is the easiest and so I went with that. There are a lot of cars to cover with such an analysis as you can imagine!
I love my purchased new 2014 981 Porsche. I bought it exclusively, to cruise. I will not part with it ever. Glad I got the twin sport tailpipes which I think far more attractive. Also, the sound of the car couldn't be more perfect. The 911 is terrific but for the fun, attractiveness and being on the Open road bang for the dollar I will keep my 981. Purists can say Boxter & Cayman's are a poor man's Porsche all they want. It falls on deaf ears. Come to think of it, it is totally silly.
Brilliant reasoning, love it. Thanks for this..
You’re welcome, Huw! Thanks for watching!
In total agreement. I have been accused "sacrilege" for saying the same. The Boxster is more confortable top down, specially in colder days, than the 911 (986 S and 996 c4) and more practical due to the smaller size, and, in my case, a not so low suspension.
This guy nailed it. My Boxster is definitely the best $4,600 I've ever spent 👊
Thank you!
Only one comp but I had the opposite, seat of pants vice analytical, experience. I had been driving my '03 Boxster S for a while and thought it must be pretty close to a 911 as well. Then I drove my son's '02 911 Cab and pretty much instantly convinced the 911 still has it beat! The 911 seemed to have more power, put it down better, and you could feel the weight transfer more. Still love the Box but no longer think of it as a 9elfer better.
Loved the comparison and thanks for the effort you put in - however - as a 15 stone driver (let alone the addition of my wife !) I am always worried that any benefit in power to weight ratio will be blunted when my own weight is added to either/both car(s).
Thank you! Who cares? Life’s too short. Just enjoy it!
Smart thinking! Clever equations 🤓
Nice analysis. It would be interesting if you added the Turbo and GT3 in a follow up video. I suspect their high price would allow the Boxster to maintain its value throne, but I wonder if they would be better value than the standard Carrera?
Watch this weekend!
I was a BMW guy until my incredible wife gave me a 2-day Porsche Sport Driving School (now Porsche Track Experience) for Christmas a few years ago. We drove everything from a base Boxster to a GT4 (amazing), and a 911 Turbo S (also amazing) on the track at Barber Motorsports Park. I immediately came home and sold the M3. Being retired and having (according to her) too many other toys, I was very conscious of the fun/cost ratio. I'm also that guy who lays awake at night worrying about "what if" and wanted to avoid the IMS/RMS/bore scoring issues and settled on a 987.2 S with a 6-speed manual. It took months to find a clean example with reasonable miles and complete service records, but it was well worth the effort. It's my daily driver when I'm not on 2 wheels and is absolutely the most satisfying car I've owned in my 53 years of driving. That said, I must admit to still longing for an air-cooled 911.
And add another 10-15% for mid engine so the boxster is the clear winner. I traded in my 991.1 and bought BOTH a boxster and macan S for the same amount of money. No brainer. Well done great videos. I'm new to your channel. 🤙👍
Thank you so much! You are a lucky man!
i bought a second hand 2003 996TT for a great price, low low miles. Did an ECU upgrade and was pushing 500HP with 0-60 times approaching the 3s.
We went on a group mountain cruise in North Georgia and to be honest I could not keep up with the guy in the Boxster without scaring the hell out of myself, while he confidently took the twisties. The 996 is gone but I am looking seriously at a Boxster now.
They’re great cars! Mind you, a 996TT with 500bhp! Woo!
I’m a fan of the Boxster and Cayman but the “911 tax” is the only tax I’m happy to pay.
911 tax?
No tax on boxster s. Black, red, red top manual
$34k 2013 40k miles, no pasm but extended leather and two tone 18 way seats
991s conv $70k under 50k miles.
$34k for Boxster S similar options
You forget extra gas extra insurance extra premium on parts
13 $34,000 boxster s won't depreciate much if you driving on weekends
2012 991.1s cab
Above $55k is best deal, +$5k each year newer.
13 14 15. 991s
frenzy on pre-owned market right now drove the price up five grand in 2020 basically
my daughter loves hers … thank you for sharing
My pleasure! Merry Christmas!
I like my 718 Boxster S. 242 laps on Ring, NO Crashes. Brand New Car on Ring. "Run In" according to recommendation.
yes some slow cautious laps on Ring, keeping it bellow 4,000 rpm until Run In.
Terrific balance, better than my 2020 BMW M2 Comp, 280 laps on Ring.
I drove a 986 for 6 years, a truly amazing, smooth, and fun car at the right price (Bought it for $$21,000 and sold it for $16,000 USD after 6 years). Never had any mechanical problem, never fixed the IMS issue (no problems), and I performed all my oil changes and brake jobs. An amazing car with extremely smooth clutch. I now own a 30 year old 944 (another car that helped save Porsche financially).
Nice thing is they made a lot of these cars and that keeps the prices reasonable somewhat.
Great show, well done.
Do more of these type of shows...I have both 911 997.1 S and Boxster S 986, boxster hands down more fun especially with the top down. Every 911 owner should have one.
If you are anywhere near the tristate area, I’d love to drive both of your cars! Seriously! Thanks for the great feedback, it really helps to keep me going!
@@JAYREAD sure thing. That's a deal
Email me on videocarclub@gmail.com and we will sort it out!
Like many others I have had a 911’s, the last one being a 997 and I currently have a 987 Boxster that I bought as a project being in need of a lot of TLC. I viewed a Boxster (like many others) as being inferior to a 911. My eyes have been opened. What a fantastic car. A Boxster uses exactly the same parts as the 911 just in a different layout so not inferior in any way. Part of the enjoyment is the fun per £ compared to the vastly more expensive 911.
I am getting a lot of comments like yours from Boxster owners who are proving out my working theory. I wonder if I should get one as a partner to my low mileage 911? Hmmm.
JAY READ I would certainly have both if I could afford it. Great video by the way.
Great point!
Thanks!
I bought a 987.2 Boxster S in 2020 and I could not agree more. Take your time and find a model with PASM, PSE, and LSD if you can. This is all the sport car a driving enthusiast will ever need... for less than a 911. Thanks for the video.
P.S. The only car I'm considering to replace this car with is the new 718 GTS with the 4L 6 but, Could I really give up on the pneumatic steering... I don't know... anyway I'll be waiting for the GTS to devalue with age while I think about it.
I'm fortunate to have a '14 Boxster 6-speed and a '21 C8 HTC. The Porsche is easier to drive, probably due to its smaller size, but I don't think most people know what it is when I'm out driving it (other than "some sports car", possibly because it's gray) whereas the red Vette constantly gets compliments and thumbs up. But I love both.
Very fortunate, I would say! 👍