The cost of an electric truck is 2.5 times that of a diesel truck, which is why people are not choosing it. I haven't seen any electric trucks in India so far, but I may see them in the future.
@@backpropagation8365charging is very costly if you charge at a commercial fast charger. So in turn it’s expensive to buy and costs similar to run to a diesel truck.
Not really. India is price sensitive and Charging is very expensive outside your home. It’s similar to filling up at petrol stations. If you consider the cost of purchase.. it’s expensive at the end.
India DOES not have the required power distribution infrastructure and the energy generation capability to cater to the colossal energy requirements, that would be needed, to have large numbers of TRUCKS, needing to charge up 24/7. Remember, an average truck will need the equivalent of energy, that about 15 normal, middle class homes will use in one day, for one charge cycle. Therefore just 10 trucks, in around 3 hours, will gobble up power, that 15 houses will use in 10 days! If thousands of trucks connect up for charging, all over India, just imagine, what an astronomical amount of energy would be needed in just 24 hours. Not to mention the heavy upgrading of the existing grid, to be able to distribute this colossal amount of energy, to each and every location, without failures and Voltage stability issues.
Start also hybrid truck project that addresses long distance hauling. 1. Hybrids remove range anxiety. 2. Hybrids can switch to pure electric in high traffic areas, city limits and down hill routes. 3. Hybrids are more efficient for uphill power delivery. 4. High regenerative braking will recharge batteries, save braking pads, reduce knife-jacking effect on trailer trucks. 5. GPS based terrain assist can intelligently switch between diesel / electric for efficient use of hybrids.
There are two "solutions": 1. Mr. Gadkari stated that there will be an Electric Lane on the Delhi-Mumbai Expressway. This essentially means that govt. is looking at "Pantograph" based E-Trucks. They will have a smaller battery reducing cost and dead weight of the truck. There won't be any range anxiety. 2. Nissan has e-Power technology, which is essentially a Range-Extender. A truck version can be developed. So, there will be an onboard diesel (or even a Flex Fuel) generator charging the battery. This way, the truck will use E-Powertrain and the generator will run at fixed speed making it more efficient, less complex than the diesel engine. The range anxiety also won't be there. The battery size will also be small. With these at least the long-range point-to-point heavy trucking can get a good start. We will get some breather in developing the charging infrastructure and more importantly better batteries.
One major point to consider is also charge cycles. Transportation companies run on efficiency in moving goods. However I don't think it would take less than 5-6 hours to charge a battery of a 50-ton truck. So now imagine a trip from Delhi to Mumbai will take 20hrs on the road plus 20hrs just to reacharge it 4 times mid journey, that too provided there are charging points at the correct distances. Increasing the time taken from 20 hours to 40 hours. Not viable at all. I think manufacturers need to focus on developing more efficient ICEs. There is a lot more room for development there. Until then let batteries be used in two wheelers for intra-city commute.
It makes more sense to push for electric commercial vehicles than personal vehicles. Trucks run for a lot more kms than personal cars. If an average car runs for 15k - 20k kms per year, a truck would run 80k - 120k kms per year. The higher initial cost of an electric truck would easily justify it’s cost by a faster return on investment due to higher running. All that’s required is a robust charging infrastructure on highways
We Indians have a knack for BSing. There is no "road to netzero". Our trucks are as polluted as they have been in the past and the air pollution in the country has gotten worse and not better. But the way we market things is like we are living in the cleanest country in the world.
Wow..we are moving towards better fuels and efficient ways in all segments of the transportation industry. Makes a lot of sense..a curious question .can we use Solar electricity as well. ??
Tesla Semi has 800 kms of range in once charge. This is plenty for long haul usage in India especially if there are megawatt fast chargers on the freight corridors
Trucks cant be electric !!! Buses can be. Trucks have to run on Ammonia or Hydrogen to be considered as worthwhile. Trains are a better alternative. Govt has to build more electrified tracks for clean long haul transport. It should not waste its time on electric trucks.
S , u r true. Hydrogen ismy opinion - 600 KM mileage it offers. Or may b more. I'm nt sure. In GERMANY, ALREADY Trains run on Hydrogen & saves 16 lacs litres of Diesel / yr
Private vehicles like cars usually stay in the plains or a small percentage will operate in hills - its rarely both. Trucks however are a totally different story - they need to be able to operate in all environments. I'm pro-electrification but do eTrucks have the power to climb hills and mountains? I've seen even ICE trucks struggling with that. Being able to climb with a heavy load is an indispensable part for trucks otherwise the goods will need to be shifted from EV to ICE for that part of the journey.
Where to do we get all the electricity for these trucks and all types of electric vehicles. Western countries with their vast and better equipped electric grid, find it difficult to handle the power demands of electric vehicles. Battery heat management?!! Battery vehicles tend to weigh more because of the battery weight. I do not think it is feasible, unless some of it's cost and most importantly electric grid improves.
Why are pantographs not being installed on these trucks like in Germany? With overhead power lines, the trucks can work with far lesser battery capacity! And will be far cheaper due to smaller batteries!
Gogoro is t leading Battery - Swapping Company in t WORLD. It's Taiwan Company. No.2 Company is Israel ' s Phinergy. IT manufactures Aluminium - Air Battery.
Watched a video about a german truck running on electric transmission lines like a train, seemed a good idea when road infra is great. The battery requirement wouldnt be as high for them.
It's for countries not having large rail infrastructure but good roads, on the othervhand India has a vast network of railway lines so we don't need that kind of trucks, although for short range transportation we can develop either hybrid or completely electric trucks that are more efficient.
We must have universal trollies for these electric trucks. So that the engines would drop them at 300 kms distance and then another engine could pull it from there. This way you won't have to wait for charging.
Express way needs to be on electricity wire on it to charge the truck on move like German highways this will solve the problem and people can move thousands of km in this way without any worries
First government should restrict trucks to take overload. If rated load of a truck is 48ton, on an average upto 60ton is taken in trucks. This challenges truck and tyre manufacturers in India. If an ev truck range is 300km for rated load in Europe, on papers it will be same in india. But reality is truckers take overload many times severe overload. So no where we will get 300km range. That is the challenge of truck manufacturers in india. As shown in video also, blame is on manufacturers.
India DOES not have the required power distribution infrastructure and the energy generation capability to cater to the colossal energy requirements, that would be needed, to have large numbers of TRUCKS, needing to charge up 24/7. Remember, an average truck will need the equivalent of energy, that about 15 normal, middle class homes will use in one day, for one charge cycle. Therefore just 10 trucks, in around 3 hours, will gobble up power, that 15 houses will use in 10 days! If thousands of trucks connect up for charging, all over India, just imagine, what an astronomical amount of energy would be needed in just 24 hours. Not to mention the heavy upgrading of the existing grid, to be able to distribute this colossal amount of energy, to each and every location, without failures and Voltage stability issues.
Recycling of a battery will give you money off in case of unswappable battery trucks…so in such cases swappable batteries and better swapping facilities like petrol pumps make more sense as you don’t bear the replacement cost as a whole but with each swap…also you dont carry a huge battery thereby increasing efficiency(mileage)
Almost 60% of our electric power comes from Coal power plants so do we solve the source that are used to charge those E-vehicles? Ofcourse developing and researching the electric vehicles is vital yet stressing too much on clean energy just for E-vehicles business and expansion would be counter productive.
I think For trucks Govt is planning on Hydrogen as fuel. The work is already started, it will come in phases like petroleum products refineries, steel plants, fertilizers plants, Hydrogen Train, and if the Hydrogen refilling station infrastructure is build then the Hydrogen trucks will be available. I think Hydrogen might take off from 2030.
Batteries are made in india…cells are made in china…making cells is a costly affair for individual companies…although it might be available in india in next 2 years
Electric trucks will not allow climate change to actually be fixed because 1. Meeting an increased demand for electricity will require either sending more electricity through existing transmission lines or new transmission lines both of which will inevitably increase wildfire ignition risk 2. Meeting an increased demand for electricity will require increasing the usage of SF6 which is the single most potent GHG 3. Carbon sink ecosystems will need to be destroyed to obtain EV battery materials All the "arguments" against the these reasons are invalid 1. Widening the space for transmission lines in forested regions will cause indirect land use change CO2 emissions due to the fact that this will require cutting down trees 2. All alternatives to SF6 are either also super potent GHGs or do not work as well as SF6 3. The demand for non-lithium metals (nickel, copper, etc) that will be created by transport sector electrification will be too high to meet with recycling or mining in non-carbon sink ecosystems. Electrification of the transport sector should be opposed just like fossil fuels if we actually want to fix climate change. Bio-CNG is already emerging as a replacement for fossil fuel derived diesel in India. This bio-cog is produced from animal manure and paddy stubble. Producing bio-ing from paddy stubble will reduce air pollution from stubble burning. Electrification would be counterproductive to decarbonizing the Indian transport sector.
trucks dont do the same thing as buses and cars do! they serve a different purpose, your think tank too only talks of what needs to be done instead of how things can be done, why will any transport company purchase e trucks when they cost more than double than diesel? no truck runs less than 300km anywhere , they have hundreds and thousands of kilometres to travel,if they run out in the middle of nowhere how will they recharge, we are not US , we dont have stations on highways where truckers/travellers can rest and refuel, and the time it would take to recharge would delay delivery thus increasing cost of logistics! even "swapping" batteries is not so easy and can a battery pull tens of tons of cargo metal weight without breaking down every once in a while,,there are no batteries currently which dont require extracting thousands of tons of rare earth minerals, are you not suggesting increasing mining activities and pollution yourselves,then? work on something better, suggest how we can decrease our logistics cost to 8-9%
Its been proven through many researches that electric vehicles indirectly pollute more than traditional ICE vehicles and this is not the best method to solve the issue of climate crisis. The method to produce clean energy in India is still in ancient times. India still majorly relies on thermal energy and only a fraction is produced by nuclear, hydro and solar. In this case, we need to improve more on the infrastructure than bring in more headache. These trucks were used and thrown out in China and now dumped into India through cheap tariffs since we are "moving" towards a net 0 emission norms.
C , To compensate t fossil fuels, one needs to drive 12000 - 17000KM. Then , V can say , V HAV achieved Sustainable clean transportation. Pls UPDATE urself. I accept ur point..But don't say EV'S dont combat climate change. It's wrong.
thatis not correct indian non coal electricity is between 40 to 50 percent once electricity is generated from non coal methods pollution levels cones down India also concentrating on hydrogen production
The cost of an electric truck is 2.5 times that of a diesel truck, which is why people are not choosing it. I haven't seen any electric trucks in India so far, but I may see them in the future.
Upfront or lifetime cost?
@@backpropagation8365charging is very costly if you charge at a commercial fast charger. So in turn it’s expensive to buy and costs similar to run to a diesel truck.
ic electric delivery vans everyday day in blr, even e buses are really common.
Given the law to scrap diesel vehicles every 15 years the overhead cost might as well be worth it
Petrol pumps have mandatory Washroom and Free Air. Just make a Fast Charging mandatory too, transition will happen in a blink of an eye.
Not really. India is price sensitive and Charging is very expensive outside your home. It’s similar to filling up at petrol stations. If you consider the cost of purchase.. it’s expensive at the end.
India DOES not have the required power distribution infrastructure and the energy generation capability to cater to the colossal energy requirements, that would be needed, to have large numbers of TRUCKS, needing to charge up 24/7. Remember, an average truck will need the equivalent of energy, that about 15 normal, middle class homes will use in one day, for one charge cycle. Therefore just 10 trucks, in around 3 hours, will gobble up power, that 15 houses will use in 10 days! If thousands of trucks connect up for charging, all over India, just imagine, what an astronomical amount of energy would be needed in just 24 hours. Not to mention the heavy upgrading of the existing grid, to be able to distribute this colossal amount of energy, to each and every location, without failures and Voltage stability issues.
Start also hybrid truck project that addresses long distance hauling.
1. Hybrids remove range anxiety.
2. Hybrids can switch to pure electric in high traffic areas, city limits and down hill routes.
3. Hybrids are more efficient for uphill power delivery.
4. High regenerative braking will recharge batteries, save braking pads, reduce knife-jacking effect on trailer trucks.
5. GPS based terrain assist can intelligently switch between diesel / electric for efficient use of hybrids.
There are two "solutions":
1. Mr. Gadkari stated that there will be an Electric Lane on the Delhi-Mumbai Expressway. This essentially means that govt. is looking at "Pantograph" based E-Trucks. They will have a smaller battery reducing cost and dead weight of the truck. There won't be any range anxiety.
2. Nissan has e-Power technology, which is essentially a Range-Extender. A truck version can be developed. So, there will be an onboard diesel (or even a Flex Fuel) generator charging the battery. This way, the truck will use E-Powertrain and the generator will run at fixed speed making it more efficient, less complex than the diesel engine. The range anxiety also won't be there. The battery size will also be small.
With these at least the long-range point-to-point heavy trucking can get a good start. We will get some breather in developing the charging infrastructure and more importantly better batteries.
that concept is nonsense ....
One major point to consider is also charge cycles.
Transportation companies run on efficiency in moving goods.
However I don't think it would take less than 5-6 hours to charge a battery of a 50-ton truck.
So now imagine a trip from Delhi to Mumbai will take 20hrs on the road plus 20hrs just to reacharge it 4 times mid journey, that too provided there are charging points at the correct distances.
Increasing the time taken from 20 hours to 40 hours. Not viable at all.
I think manufacturers need to focus on developing more efficient ICEs. There is a lot more room for development there.
Until then let batteries be used in two wheelers for intra-city commute.
Why not think about stations to switch batteries.
Excellent content explained in a very nice way. Amazing editing!
It makes more sense to push for electric commercial vehicles than personal vehicles.
Trucks run for a lot more kms than personal cars. If an average car runs for 15k - 20k kms per year, a truck would run 80k - 120k kms per year.
The higher initial cost of an electric truck would easily justify it’s cost by a faster return on investment due to higher running.
All that’s required is a robust charging infrastructure on highways
We Indians have a knack for BSing. There is no "road to netzero". Our trucks are as polluted as they have been in the past and the air pollution in the country has gotten worse and not better. But the way we market things is like we are living in the cleanest country in the world.
Wow..we are moving towards better fuels and efficient ways in all segments of the transportation industry. Makes a lot of sense..a curious question
.can we use Solar electricity as well. ??
Tesla Semi has 800 kms of range in once charge. This is plenty for long haul usage in India especially if there are megawatt fast chargers on the freight corridors
Trucks cant be electric !!! Buses can be. Trucks have to run on Ammonia or Hydrogen to be considered as worthwhile.
Trains are a better alternative. Govt has to build more electrified tracks for clean long haul transport. It should not waste its time on electric trucks.
S , u r true. Hydrogen ismy opinion - 600 KM mileage it offers. Or may b more. I'm nt sure.
In GERMANY, ALREADY Trains run on Hydrogen & saves 16 lacs litres of Diesel / yr
Why there are no hybrid trucks and buses
Private vehicles like cars usually stay in the plains or a small percentage will operate in hills - its rarely both. Trucks however are a totally different story - they need to be able to operate in all environments. I'm pro-electrification but do eTrucks have the power to climb hills and mountains? I've seen even ICE trucks struggling with that. Being able to climb with a heavy load is an indispensable part for trucks otherwise the goods will need to be shifted from EV to ICE for that part of the journey.
Given the current and future scenarios, BIO-LNG powered trucks seem more logical than electric trucks, and they are also more cost-effective.
i think LNG powered Trucks can also be a alternative to Diesel as EV suffer from range and charging infrastructure issues
Fully electric can't be possible Hybrid is the key either with cng or electric battery pack .
This maybe the best idea for India charge from solar and less pollution
Where to do we get all the electricity for these trucks and all types of electric vehicles. Western countries with their vast and better equipped electric grid, find it difficult to handle the power demands of electric vehicles. Battery heat management?!! Battery vehicles tend to weigh more because of the battery weight. I do not think it is feasible, unless some of it's cost and most importantly electric grid improves.
Petrol diesel is more energy dense than litium for energy storage, you missed this important factor
CO2 will come down but electronic waste will increase and then find solutions to get rid of them😅😂😂
Please check Edison motors from Canada.... They are making nice diesel electric hybrid trucks
Why are pantographs not being installed on these trucks like in Germany? With overhead power lines, the trucks can work with far lesser battery capacity! And will be far cheaper due to smaller batteries!
The best electric trucks have already been in business for more than 50 years. And it is known as the railroad....
Swap batteries for trucks is best for adoption
Gogoro is t leading Battery - Swapping Company in t WORLD. It's Taiwan Company.
No.2 Company is Israel ' s Phinergy. IT manufactures Aluminium - Air Battery.
Very very nice 🙏🏼🙏🏼🤗🤗
Watched a video about a german truck running on electric transmission lines like a train, seemed a good idea when road infra is great. The battery requirement wouldnt be as high for them.
It's for countries not having large rail infrastructure but good roads, on the othervhand India has a vast network of railway lines so we don't need that kind of trucks, although for short range transportation we can develop either hybrid or completely electric trucks that are more efficient.
@@kreativechaos7606S, INDIA NEEDS ONLY HYDROGEN TRAIN
We must have universal trollies for these electric trucks. So that the engines would drop them at 300 kms distance and then another engine could pull it from there. This way you won't have to wait for charging.
Express way needs to be on electricity wire on it to charge the truck on move like German highways this will solve the problem and people can move thousands of km in this way without any worries
Good one
I have a ev car biggest problem on highways is the ev charging infrastructure where we lack a lot
First government should restrict trucks to take overload. If rated load of a truck is 48ton, on an average upto 60ton is taken in trucks. This challenges truck and tyre manufacturers in India. If an ev truck range is 300km for rated load in Europe, on papers it will be same in india. But reality is truckers take overload many times severe overload. So no where we will get 300km range. That is the challenge of truck manufacturers in india. As shown in video also, blame is on manufacturers.
Charging time is the culprit in the EV ecosystem and Battery Swapping is the only option for better efficiency.
Good report
Electric trucks are not feasible economical or sustainable... Unless OHE infra is created
India DOES not have the required power distribution infrastructure and the energy generation capability to cater to the colossal energy requirements, that would be needed, to have large numbers of TRUCKS, needing to charge up 24/7. Remember, an average truck will need the equivalent of energy, that about 15 normal, middle class homes will use in one day, for one charge cycle. Therefore just 10 trucks, in around 3 hours, will gobble up power, that 15 houses will use in 10 days! If thousands of trucks connect up for charging, all over India, just imagine, what an astronomical amount of energy would be needed in just 24 hours. Not to mention the heavy upgrading of the existing grid, to be able to distribute this colossal amount of energy, to each and every location, without failures and Voltage stability issues.
They fail to calculate the replacement cost of battery.😅 It is almost equivalent to that of total fuel cost.
Recycling of a battery will give you money off in case of unswappable battery trucks…so in such cases swappable batteries and better swapping facilities like petrol pumps make more sense as you don’t bear the replacement cost as a whole but with each swap…also you dont carry a huge battery thereby increasing efficiency(mileage)
Almost 60% of our electric power comes from Coal power plants so do we solve the source that are used to charge those E-vehicles?
Ofcourse developing and researching the electric vehicles is vital yet stressing too much on clean energy just for E-vehicles business and expansion would be counter productive.
I think For trucks Govt is planning on Hydrogen as fuel. The work is already started, it will come in phases like petroleum products refineries, steel plants, fertilizers plants, Hydrogen Train, and if the Hydrogen refilling station infrastructure is build then the Hydrogen trucks will be available. I think Hydrogen might take off from 2030.
ALREADY , GERMANY operates TRAINS on Hydrogen & saving 16 lacs litres of Diesel/ yr
electric truck will be coming to India but it won't be that quick as the price and range of the truck is not feasible for truckers who own his truck
Assembling parts and putting chinese batteries.
Batteries are made in india…cells are made in china…making cells is a costly affair for individual companies…although it might be available in india in next 2 years
How does the grid gets cleaner when the electricity to charge these trucks come from more and more fossil fuels plants?
IT takes 12000 - 17000 KM to make t grid cleaner. TESLA sd for its Electric cars
Where you'll be dumping Lithium Ion batteries though???
First make all the buses in india electric
Hydrogen truck is more effective than electric truck for green energy solutions
Electric trucks will not allow climate change to actually be fixed because
1. Meeting an increased demand for electricity will require either sending more electricity through existing transmission lines or new transmission lines both of which will inevitably increase wildfire ignition risk
2. Meeting an increased demand for electricity will require increasing the usage of SF6 which is the single most potent GHG
3. Carbon sink ecosystems will need to be destroyed to obtain EV battery materials
All the "arguments" against the these reasons are invalid
1. Widening the space for transmission lines in forested regions will cause indirect land use change CO2 emissions due to the fact that this will require cutting down trees
2. All alternatives to SF6 are either also super potent GHGs or do not work as well as SF6
3. The demand for non-lithium metals (nickel, copper, etc) that will be created by transport sector electrification will be too high to meet with recycling or mining in non-carbon sink ecosystems.
Electrification of the transport sector should be opposed just like fossil fuels if we actually want to fix climate change.
Bio-CNG is already emerging as a replacement for fossil fuel derived diesel in India. This bio-cog is produced from animal manure and paddy stubble. Producing bio-ing from paddy stubble will reduce air pollution from stubble burning. Electrification would be counterproductive to decarbonizing the Indian transport sector.
LNG
trucks dont do the same thing as buses and cars do! they serve a different purpose, your think tank too only talks of what needs to be done instead of how things can be done, why will any transport company purchase e trucks when they cost more than double than diesel? no truck runs less than 300km anywhere , they have hundreds and thousands of kilometres to travel,if they run out in the middle of nowhere how will they recharge, we are not US , we dont have stations on highways where truckers/travellers can rest and refuel, and the time it would take to recharge would delay delivery thus increasing cost of logistics! even "swapping" batteries is not so easy and can a battery pull tens of tons of cargo metal weight without breaking down every once in a while,,there are no batteries currently which dont require extracting thousands of tons of rare earth minerals, are you not suggesting increasing mining activities and pollution yourselves,then? work on something better, suggest how we can decrease our logistics cost to 8-9%
Its been proven through many researches that electric vehicles indirectly pollute more than traditional ICE vehicles and this is not the best method to solve the issue of climate crisis. The method to produce clean energy in India is still in ancient times. India still majorly relies on thermal energy and only a fraction is produced by nuclear, hydro and solar. In this case, we need to improve more on the infrastructure than bring in more headache. These trucks were used and thrown out in China and now dumped into India through cheap tariffs since we are "moving" towards a net 0 emission norms.
C , To compensate t fossil fuels, one needs to drive 12000 - 17000KM. Then , V can say , V HAV achieved Sustainable clean transportation.
Pls UPDATE urself. I accept ur point..But don't say EV'S dont combat climate change. It's wrong.
thatis not correct
indian non coal electricity is between 40 to 50 percent
once electricity is generated from non coal methods pollution levels cones down
India also concentrating on hydrogen production
@@krantikoganti u r wrong, I'm trying for Advisor to many ev companies & GOVT. I must b wit full proof.
EV'S combat climate change, but slowly
@@krantikoganti U r WRONG. I'm CRT
@@sathishkumar-wy7tk
you are incorrect with percentages
powermin.gov.in/en/content/power-sector-glance-all-india
please stop fooling