for those who might care there is a German trucker that has been driving electric trucks for a few months now, and he is reporting his experience on his YT channel Electric Trucker
Currently Windrow Tech have only 13 Semi Truck Units on the Road with One in Europe based in Belgium and One in the USA based in Illinois and One floating between New Zealand and Australia and 11 doing test runs in China . But in California there are now 53 Class 8 Tesla Semi Truck units operating for Pepsi in California for the last 18 months actually working in the real world driving situations
drivers wetting themselves with that torque, these should be doing the suburban supermarket delivery hauling in NO time once the accountants know about it
I agree, it is exciting to see semis becoming EVs. And it's not just Windrose and Tesla, there's Volvo, and Janus, with their battery swapping technology, and more. It's like the early days of modern car EVs. Plenty of lessons to be learned, but still amazing vehicles. Some companies will fail, but the revolution has begun.
@@cantwealljustgetalong2 Just like the diesel counterparts doing the same thing. I saw one fully on fire on Transmission Gully a few months back - it happens more often than you might think.
The Sodium Ion batteries coming on stream will totally revolutionise the electric vehicle market. In 1912 someone made an electric car, powered by a Sodium Ion battery. It could do 1,000 miles on a single charge! BYD, the largest car manufacturer in the world, has just built a massive factory in China to make Sodium Ion batteries. The beauty of these batteries is that the sodium comes from mined salt deposits and evaporated seawater
This looks like the Tesla Semi, although lower spec and higher price but the Chinese will sort this out. And yes, fleet bean counters will wet themselves when they do the math for Tesla Mega chargers (or equivalent) at their terminals plus say Turangi or Waiouru etc, as the fuel costs are way lower than diesel, especially with the regen over the Desert Road. The first NZ fleet that goes this way will cause a stampede of demand, this tech is just so disruptive. I’m super impressed by the mostly intelligent and well informed comments on here, and I’m now a subscriber!
Ross, a quintessential Kiwi, master of the understatement and more believable than any hyped up American, PS love the 1 inch left and righthand loophole!
If the upfront cost is similar - I imagine the bean-counters at larger trucking co's will be looking hard at the running costs - as that is likely where they will save a fortune.
@@foobarf8766 I would've thought this comment in the vid description was relevant though? "tested in the real world hauling 49 tonnes total weight a distance of 670 kilometres (416 miles) on a single charge; a range exceeding what professional truck drivers can manage before needing to stop for mandatory breaks. During which, this truck can recharge at up to 870 kW, adding around 400 km of range in 35 minutes."
will be great in the SI. lots of hills for regen. look forward to seeing more charging stations and cafes on the routes from south to north. we are at the end of the earth so makes sense to use the electricty we generate here vs importing fuel at extra cost.
Large logistics companies will set up their own charging stations on parcels of land that are cheap along routes, those stations will probably become hubs for all EV's and their business will grow in new directions.
Many trucks haul to warehouses or large supermarkets. Solar can be installed on roofs and charging ports at the loading bays. The trucks will top up while unloading and save money.
I still think there's demand for public truck chargers. CCS/MCS. These trucks can use car chargers, but it looks quite silly if such a truck is taking up like 6 parking spots.
$1,000 in burnt diesel also causes about $500 in healthcare costs not to mention Fossil Fuels cause as many premature deaths per year as the Covid Pandemic; about 2500 per year in NZ. Not mentioned by the Fossil Fuel Companies of course but we all wind up paying that cost which is many more times the cost of filling the EV truck with renewable power.
if only tiwai point had shut down, you would be correct, but as it is nz needs to burn fossil fuels as well because our renewables dont produce enough, or dont you recall the govt telling us to use less power this winter to avoid black outs
@ of course we need to burn fossil fuels for the existing ICE vehicles but why aren’t we following Norway’s lead where 90% of imported vehicles are BEV‘s? Instead we continue to import mostly ICE vehicles which will continue to force New Zealanders to use the most expensive transportation energy source, which is fossil fuels. New Zealand’s transition to renewable energy is one of the slowest in the developed world in a country where fossil fuels cost the most, and renewables cost the least. We seem to be stuck in hanging onto last centuries technology, as long as possible, no matter how much it will impoverish us in future.
@@debeeriz Huntly has been valuable backup to renewable generation but they have plans to have backup batteries and burn wood waste rather than use coal.
The health risk is greater mining the precious metals out of the earth to create the batteries. And it takes diesel power equipment to get that done. The health rise alone with cobalt mines and etc… there’s always talk about the health risks of diesel but noone wants to mention to neg impact to electric
@@jeromep3182 it is true that 100 to 200 people die each year in the Congo from mining cobalt although this industry was started up over a century ago by the fossil fuel companies where cobalt is used to desulfur diesel. The major electric vehicle manufacturers do not buy cobalt from the Congo but rather from Australia and Canada where it is mined under safe conditions as a byproduct to copper, zinc and nickel mining. By comparison the burning of fossil fuels kills between 5.5 million and 8.7 million people annually making it one of the leading causes of deaths in many countries. another reason the fossil fuel industry doesn’t talk about cobalt it’s because in the past year more than half the electric vehicles made have 0% cobalt in them. For sure some diesel fuel is used in the mining of the materials that go into electric vehicles but you can say that for any product. The big difference is that an eternal combustion engine will use about 40,000 pounds of diesel or petrol over its life which is the total nothing compared to how much is used in production. Just the transportation of diesel and gasoline uses up more diesel than making an entire electric vehicle. Pretty much all of mainstream media is controlled by funding from the fossil fuel companies as is legislation which is the reason why it appears as if no one’s talking about it whereas in alternative electric vehicle forms all of these factors that are extremely well known.
These would be so good for using in parades, they could provide masses of power for whatever is on the trailer as the spectators and performers wouldnt have to breath diesel fumes. Perhaps even electricity companys could sponsor it as advert for what electricity can do.
The story is in the 1st chapter. Battery&Op cost/charge-time will continue to come down. While power/range/life will continue to go up. No, it cannot do every task a diesel can do today, it doesn't need to. Naysayers will see the world in the rearview mirror.
Kwl....!! No more seeing them crawl at 30km/hr up hills on our motorways and state highways. They should actually be able to do motorway speeds up hills xD... and how quiet they are too
@@mikldude9376He sure does. Electric trucks can power up hills at full speed. Tell me you know nothing about electric trucks without telling me you know nothing about electric trucks.
There's a German electric truck channel out there showing this indeed isn't the case anymore. It still isn't full-speed, but going uphill 50 instead of 30 is still quite an improvement.
The BEV trucks could be geared to accelerate like a Porsche, but the question is, how much energy do you want to devote to that kind of acceleration? This is why the truck makers gear them for a more moderate acceleration.
Suspension needs a lot more work, but it's a prototype. The seat and the chassis was shaking heaps, look at the water bottle in some of the shots. Most trucks have air seats, this didn't seem to have one.
With a much lower cost per month to fuel the electric truck, they will be looking for as many as possible! And to also switch their class 6 and 7 trucks to electric too! My buddy changed from a 18 MPG car to a Tesla and is spending $30 more on the electric bill and $250 less on the gasoline bill each month. A great trade. But the haters will say "So you are spending more on your electric bill, to bad". The great thing about New Zealand is they import a lot of diesel fuel now, and that can be greatly reduced. They have a lot of hydroelectric power to replace that diesel fuel and that can save them a lot on imported fuel costs!
Many trucks run regular routes to warehouses or large supermarkets. You can install solar on roofs and charging ports at the loading bays. The trucks can top up while unloading. For more remote use cases, buy an Edison.
Speaking from experience, & with best will in the world, many of the comments seem have no idea the number of ways HV EV can fail compared to existing ICE.
When you see Tesla fans be so quick to call anything Chinese made a copy of something Tesla wanted to make, you know they're doing something right. Otherwise no one would give a ...
My issue with going all electric isn't price and range, but the infrastructure needed to power the switch to electric just isn't there yet! Edison motors has that covered by making their truck Diesel over Electric, like a locomotive train, so you get all the benefits of electric while still being able to generate your own power when needed.
Edision is targeting logging trucks operating in the middle of nowhere where there is no infrastructure at all. Most trucks traveling along busy high way routes would have access to charging infrastructure as well as cheap charging in their depots. Anyway, solvable problem. It will take a few years for these things to start making a dent in the existing fleets of diesel trucks. Though the cost savings might speed that up.
@@JillesvanGurp More than a few years, I think. It took half a century to build the existing fuel infrastructure we have today. The electrical grid is going to need to be more than doubled to handle the load of every vehicle going electric, and we need more power generation. Try calculating the wattage generated by each internal combustion engine operating on the road at any given time, take say, a quarter of that (most energy generated in an internal combustion engine is lost as heat), and you'll have some idea of the amount of electricity that needs to be generated to fully electrify our transportation systems. I'm not saying that it can't be done, I'm saying that it MUST be done, and we should have started yesterday!
Biggest problem will be charging speed and grid infrastructure - you need a substation to power even a single 1MW charger. How many 1MW chargers can you put in one place? How many 1MW chargers before you reach grid capacity?
Infrastructure is not a problem anymore. Here in Europe we have already 800000 charging stations and more popping up every day. Companies like Ionity is backed by the BMW, Mercedes, VW and ABB. Charging speed is still a headache sometimes, but we are getting there.
Nice to see, that electic trucking comes to New Zealand. I´m from Germany. Ah, @USUG0 wrote it too, @Electric Trucker shows, that it works and how it works in real working environment.
Should be interesting how it goes. Obviously fleet managers don't get caught up in the emotional aspects of EV vs Dino juice they look at the numbers and TCO over say 10yrs. Once truck chargers become commonplace definitely a place for EV trucks and Europe is already running them.
nonsense!!!! its not dino juice its vegetation juice! also that same juice is that makes everything possible from the tires to cable, battery insulation to the roads, internet basically everything, even your wife´s make up products
How many gallons of Dino Juice was required to extract all the minerals, transport them for processing? Yes, oil also requires it too, but never understood why so many think that batteries don't require Diesel fuel to become in existence.
When it comes to trucks hauling freight, payload is key. A 500hp 6x4 tractor is around 8.5 tonne. 3.5 tonne extra tare is extra weight you cant charge for. It would be interesting to do the sums. Also, work out the whole of-life cost including end-of-life recycling. Down time waiting for parts & repairs is another factor. Interesting though.
@@bytemark6508 the aero design doesn't leave much space for two seats, as he said, that's why planes all look very similar. The centre seat also gives the driver better visibility on both sides rather than having a "blindside".
@@bytemark6508 No .... but if you do as they have you can split the air flow at 🚄 🚅 just like a train front , you can also go for European a flat front cab over design. Because of the max length rule also they can park right up to the vehicle in front, on thing's like ferries or the channel tunnel trains. There is also the traditional North American Peterbuilt long nose truck or the Heavy duty off-road undercut flat wedge front design used on off-road and military vehicles.. so there is minimal frontal overhang allowing bigger wheels and ability to climb over higher steeper objects. Usually these will be AWD all wheel drive . Electric trucks can also pull powered electric trailers that can also be built as Electric ICE generator hybrids. An excellent example being the Canadian BC. Edison Topsy HD logging truck which is designed to operate on steep muddy logging trails and haul huge loads of wet timber .. many many miles from any fixed charging infrastructure... though most of the time it works as a plug in... It can run and charge from it's generator till it gets to a charging point. It can also run at close to full power all the time in hostile conditions.
Yeah and have you seen any Tesla semis out there? Since 2022 I haven't seen a single one out on the roads. Not only that but when a video of the great Tesla was shown overtaking a fully loaded diesel semi trailer someone calculated the load it was carrying which were concrete highway construction barriers to be a maximum of 5 or 8 tonnes. Not 40 tonnes. So this guy comes on here spin doctoring about how diesel is dead. I'd be real careful about his claims and his claims to tests done in China.
Like anything it comes down to cost and the wait period to get what you need. If Tesla can deliver for less than this in way larger numbers once they ramp up, Windrose will get left in their dust, but I wish them well and I hope they can all compete together to make Electrification of the service fleets of the world go fast and smoothly. The more companies making vehicles the better.
When the Tesla simi was introduced Tesla was shooting for an intro price of $180K USD. But recently they announced they were going to have to charge $250K USD. We will know for sure soon as Tesla is putting the final touches upon a brand new simi factory in Nevada. The first trucks are expect to roll out of this new factory in June or July 2025. !
First how much does this weigh, and what damage what that do to the road hence there should be a higher charge for that damage. You can only put so much torque to the road before it damages the road.
I wonder how this thing will do in Europe. In most of Europe the maximum weight a truck can weigh is 40t on 5 axles. In the UK and Russia you can run up to 44t on six axles and in Ireland it’s 46t. In Scandinavia and Finland, the weight allowances are nearly 70t for some vehicles. Also in Finland and Sweden they can use road trains called HCT trailers and can now carry up to 90t in Finland. Another interesting thing is I wonder if they will change the motors/axles for Europe. Most of Europe uses 4x2 trucks and 6x4 trucks are usually reserved for heavy haulage or off road work.
Id imagine that the cost per mile including maintenance must look a lot better than those mighty diesel behemoths. The infernal combustion engines will likely die off before long because electric vehicles are cheaper. Someone in a logistics office will mention this to a suit wearer and game over 😊 excellent
Lmao because youe life was doing awesome until those combustion engine showed up. You envirometaliat are so pretentious cucks. 😂 electric trucks still need oil for thie differtials and bearing parts.
engineering explained went into detail about the cost of running one and funny thing is if you use any outside supercharger network the lifetime cost will be higher then a diesel lol
with the most powerful ev charger in nz being 300 kwh i dont see how you can put a megawatt into that truck in 35 minutes, and i dont think a truck stops power grid could handle more than a couple of trucks charging at the same time, at full power, but as a truckie l would love it, getting paid to sit around while my truck takes hours to charge, or if the companies say we are not working and wont pay us for down time while charging, l think our union will have something to say about that
@@ThoughtfulAl I hope this applies to all commercial vehicles, a bit tongue in cheek, but it seems my wildtrak is commercial, so will my shark be as well?
Gav, you totally need to get your truck license - you will have a great USP becuse no other channels review/talks about EV cars or EV commercial vehicles have truck licences
What sort of percentage of NZ trucking currently uses the high end ICE trucks that this particular model would compete with? Is it a big enough market to help bring the cost down as more are made?
Time will tell, lots of issues, tare weight, price, NZ probably needs a 4-axle truck with current rules, charge network and electricity price is the big one and will charging fit into government mandated break times. Many Kiwi trucks run 24/7 in remote areas.
I've been waiting to see a good video on this for a while, thanks Gavin. The cab seems huge, it looks like you're sitting in a kiddie seat in the rear 😅
Spotted this beast heading north out of Pio Pio this afternoon. Definitely an eye catcher. So, had it been down to the Naki to demonstrate for potential owners?
670km per charge - is that "charge" 80%->20% or 100%->0% .. and at what speed? the EVs lose a lot of torque after 60km/hr ..at 100km/hr the consumption will go up significantly.
I remmber around seven some odd years ago a truck driver that Fox news had brought on complaining about electric trucks, after Tesla had introduced it's version, i wonder were he is now? After that rant and he saw this Chines truck, he probailey deleated himself and did the world a favor I don't understand why people complain about new technolgy, shure it has problem's but like nature thing's evolve, you did'nt see people stop flying airplaines when someone got killed? They just went back to the drawing board,
Wow that's a great truck. They need to demo to the big retailers and logistics companies in Australia, they will buy them. They could open a factory in Australia and do the final assembly and deliveries. Will get good funding from the government.
It takes two electric trucks to do the work of one ICE truck. That makes the work twice as expensive. The insurance is also much more expensive, the resale is less and if the charging stations are like anything of overseas charges, they will become more expensive than the diesal it replaced. Truck charging stations aren't built and run for free.
Using twice as many BEV trucks is like saying short and medium haul aircraft are useless because some will go farther. Huh. ? You only use the truck within its range limitation; usually terminal to terminal where they collect cheap power at $0.04/kWh which would be less than a tenth the running cost; not counting brakes and diesel service costs. Nor, deadly emissions of diesel trucks that no one takes into account.
Hydrogen fuel call brings the best of both worlds. Super quick refueling (around 10 mins maximum) and using the electrical drive-train also brings the servicing and maintenance costs down to par with electric. Now electric drive-train semi-trucks are becoming more advanced, I think hydrogen fuel will be the blossoming fuel of the future, not battery electric trucks. Not so much weight on the axles means more carrying capacity. And you get all the advantageous like regenerative breaking assistance over a diesel equivalent of the exhaust brake or retarder brakes. And hydrogen can be manufactured from using renewable electricity at fuel stations that already have petrol, diesel and some, LPG or bio-gas.
@logitech4873 well the likes of write buses have managed to make theirs only 12000 pound more then a traditional bus. So trucks will more then likely offer the dome value, considering the cost savings on maintenance and fuel costs.
@logitech4873 depending on how it's sourced yes. If manufactured on site with electrolysis, then the initial cost is higher (same as with electric vehciles) but for a fleet, the cost per vehicle over its lifespan does make it that much more economical, considering the benefits. My opinion only.
I defininatly would like to see it operate in severe cold and heat, and up and down long grades, you know give it the beans in a real world conditions. Because 500 someting dollars is a lot of letuce, but it would be worth if could do all that, all you would need is a comprehencive charging network,
Trust me, the end of diesel isn't happening anytime soon. You could power a small town with the amount of electricity required to charge one of these. At best, big electric electric trucks will only ever have a very specialised use.
@@TerryHickey-xt4mf For what it's worth, I didn't know this was coming despite having followed the slow progress of Tesla Semi for years. Anyway I asked if it would be able to demonstrate it with a loaded trailer in NZ. I expect they will be able to do that as it will be here for a couple of months.
@@Guvament_bs err wrong, I’ve debated both sides, and get similar results, even the slightest friction they remove the comment or key words that they don’t like. Why do you have a 8 month old account? Is this your spam, bot, agitator account ?
I just thought of something... Has anyone tried to make a dual driveshaft drivetrain? One spins one direction and the other spins the other direction to counter the torque twist, only leaving the vertical lifting/compressing force on the differential and suspension. Yes it's more friction from moving parts but you can make them snaller and you don't need as much torque going through each one because they split the torque... And besides chassis twist does contribute to a loss in energy, because each piston firing is like a hammer, and we all know that drivetrain slop kills impact driver effectiveness. One driveshaft can also have the joints rotated 45 degrees for a smoother application of torque at more angle. If only there was a game that could accurately simulate it. BeamNG is too complex for my brain to figure out how to make anything, trailmakers and scrap mechanic both have their issues, one being a lack of part dimensions and the other blocks and partd that go through each other with enough force.
Given that we just went through a round of permanent industry shut downs due to high power prices because of lack of generation, we are not ready for mass EV adoption. We need a massive decade to 2 decade infrastructure build out of our power generation and transmission. I'm not hearing anyone talk about this so I don't understand how we're going to be seeing many of these for quite some time.
Grids always expand to met demand. Its a business. All the required BEV generation in NZ is already permitted. Off peak generation always exceeds the day time capacity at much less cost. Batteries are a thing in storage. The introduction of BEVs to transport over several decades is way less than the requirements when air conditioning was popularized and way less than AI requirements.
very bad joke!!!! diesel is here to stay wether you like it or not! are we going to see next electric airbus a380? electric musk rocket? hahahahahah funny.........
DIESEL won't be replaced for long distance anytime soon. No trucking company will waste hours stopped at chargers. That's if they work. You refuel a truck in 10-15 minutes and you keep going. Those are good for local deliveries and short distance hauling. Also, when pulling, batteries deplete WAY faster than fuel.
I wonder what’s the point of the central seating position. Tesla came up with it but I’ve never heard a truck driver’s take on it. Moving the seat a few inches left or right is pretty cheeky though.
It allows a reduced front area, as he said, which improves aerodynamics, which helps to improve performance and reduce energy used-I know the Tesla Semi is more aerodynamic than a Bugati Cheron! - also reduced costs not making much of a change from left and right hand drive version.
@@markreed9853 I'm not sure if comparing a vehicle built for downforce with one focused on aerodynamics is a good example. It's like saying a knife is better for slicing bread than a spoon, and yes, it is, because both are designed for a different purpose as the mentioned vehicles.
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for those who might care
there is a German trucker that has been driving electric trucks for a few months now, and he is reporting his experience on his YT channel
Electric Trucker
Yes, good one.
yep seen his video's every week :)
As someone who has driven all make of diesel trucks for 40 years . I welcome these with open arms.
The Chinese bring the Tesla Semi copy quicker than Tesla brjngs out the original 😂
Cant really call it a copy when the original doesn't exist yet lol 🤣
@justaguy6216 There are about 80 Tesla Semis in operation for over a year by now.
@@moestrei Lol 80 is nothing. There were over 300,000 electric commercial vehicles sold in China in 2023 alone.
@@justaguy6216 You said doesn't exist, smarty-pants.
@@moestrei Ok bro.
Currently Windrow Tech have only 13 Semi Truck Units on the Road with One in Europe based in Belgium and One in the USA based in Illinois and One floating between New Zealand and Australia and 11 doing test runs in China . But in California there are now 53 Class 8 Tesla Semi Truck units operating for Pepsi in California for the last 18 months actually working in the real world driving situations
I done the maths, $145 or so for 670km in this vs $1075 or so in a kenworth, beancounters will wet themselves
drivers wetting themselves with that torque, these should be doing the suburban supermarket delivery hauling in NO time once the accountants know about it
Not to mention the reduced servicing costs. Looks like these guys have ripped off tesla semi design.
Not when they have to replace the battery
@louisbarningham oh yes the ev haters always roll that one out. Battery will last as long as a diesel engine but without all the regular maintenance.
But you need two to cover 1 driver on equivalent day of line hauling. Range needs improving but this is great to see!
Ross was really impressive, really knows his rig inside and out, explained everything really well
It’s not His truck. He has had it all explained to him.
Bullshit
I agree, it is exciting to see semis becoming EVs. And it's not just Windrose and Tesla, there's Volvo, and Janus, with their battery swapping technology, and more. It's like the early days of modern car EVs. Plenty of lessons to be learned, but still amazing vehicles. Some companies will fail, but the revolution has begun.
So much potato hauling capacity
Asking the real questions
So many bags of proper crisps.
more fish and chips than ever 🎉
imagine if this thing goes on fire?
@@cantwealljustgetalong2 Just like the diesel counterparts doing the same thing. I saw one fully on fire on Transmission Gully a few months back - it happens more often than you might think.
I'm so glad I've lived long enough to see the future come to past
The Sodium Ion batteries coming on stream will totally revolutionise the electric vehicle market.
In 1912 someone made an electric car, powered by a Sodium Ion battery. It could do 1,000 miles on a single charge!
BYD, the largest car manufacturer in the world, has just built a massive factory in China to make Sodium Ion batteries.
The beauty of these batteries is that the sodium comes from mined salt deposits and evaporated seawater
The chemistry between these two men is phenomenal.
If the big rig's a rockin, don't come a knockin.
Gay Lord would be well pleased.
This looks like the Tesla Semi, although lower spec and higher price but the Chinese will sort this out. And yes, fleet bean counters will wet themselves when they do the math for Tesla Mega chargers (or equivalent) at their terminals plus say Turangi or Waiouru etc, as the fuel costs are way lower than diesel, especially with the regen over the Desert Road. The first NZ fleet that goes this way will cause a stampede of demand, this tech is just so disruptive. I’m super impressed by the mostly intelligent and well informed comments on here, and I’m now a subscriber!
not been the case in the usa in fact some companies have gone back to diesel, because they can shift a third more freight daily
Ross, a quintessential Kiwi, master of the understatement and more believable than any hyped up American, PS love the 1 inch left and righthand loophole!
Looks great. I can't wait to see it with a test load.
If the upfront cost is similar - I imagine the bean-counters at larger trucking co's will be looking hard at the running costs - as that is likely where they will save a fortune.
Range is 1/2 of a diesel unfortunately, or less with Aussie sized tanks
@@foobarf8766 and yet drivers here can only legally drive for so long
@@foobarf8766 I would've thought this comment in the vid description was relevant though? "tested in the real world hauling 49 tonnes total weight a distance of 670 kilometres (416 miles) on a single charge; a range exceeding what professional truck drivers can manage before needing to stop for mandatory breaks. During which, this truck can recharge at up to 870 kW, adding around 400 km of range in 35 minutes."
will be great in the SI. lots of hills for regen. look forward to seeing more charging stations and cafes on the routes from south to north. we are at the end of the earth so makes sense to use the electricty we generate here vs importing fuel at extra cost.
Large logistics companies will set up their own charging stations on parcels of land that are cheap along routes, those stations will probably become hubs for all EV's and their business will grow in new directions.
In the US, Walmart is already doing that for their short-haul EV delivery trucks.
Hallelujah, opposite of IME: annoying fleets of slow "fast" charging Bolts hogging pub chargers.
Many trucks haul to warehouses or large supermarkets. Solar can be installed on roofs and charging ports at the loading bays. The trucks will top up while unloading and save money.
This man has a lovely neck.
I still think there's demand for public truck chargers. CCS/MCS. These trucks can use car chargers, but it looks quite silly if such a truck is taking up like 6 parking spots.
$1,000 in burnt diesel also causes about $500 in healthcare costs not to mention Fossil Fuels cause as many premature deaths per year as the Covid Pandemic; about 2500 per year in NZ. Not mentioned by the Fossil Fuel Companies of course but we all wind up paying that cost which is many more times the cost of filling the EV truck with renewable power.
if only tiwai point had shut down, you would be correct, but as it is nz needs to burn fossil fuels as well because our renewables dont produce enough, or dont you recall the govt telling us to use less power this winter to avoid black outs
@ of course we need to burn fossil fuels for the existing ICE vehicles but why aren’t we following Norway’s lead where 90% of imported vehicles are BEV‘s? Instead we continue to import mostly ICE vehicles which will continue to force New Zealanders to use the most expensive transportation energy source, which is fossil fuels.
New Zealand’s transition to renewable energy is one of the slowest in the developed world in a country where fossil fuels cost the most, and renewables cost the least. We seem to be stuck in hanging onto last centuries technology, as long as possible, no matter how much it will impoverish us in future.
@@debeeriz Huntly has been valuable backup to renewable generation but they have plans to have backup batteries and burn wood waste rather than use coal.
The health risk is greater mining the precious metals out of the earth to create the batteries. And it takes diesel power equipment to get that done. The health rise alone with cobalt mines and etc… there’s always talk about the health risks of diesel but noone wants to mention to neg impact to electric
@@jeromep3182 it is true that 100 to 200 people die each year in the Congo from mining cobalt although this industry was started up over a century ago by the fossil fuel companies where cobalt is used to desulfur diesel. The major electric vehicle manufacturers do not buy cobalt from the Congo but rather from Australia and Canada where it is mined under safe conditions as a byproduct to copper, zinc and nickel mining.
By comparison the burning of fossil fuels kills between 5.5 million and 8.7 million people annually making it one of the leading causes of deaths in many countries. another reason the fossil fuel industry doesn’t talk about cobalt it’s because in the past year more than half the electric vehicles made have 0% cobalt in them.
For sure some diesel fuel is used in the mining of the materials that go into electric vehicles but you can say that for any product. The big difference is that an eternal combustion engine will use about 40,000 pounds of diesel or petrol over its life which is the total nothing compared to how much is used in production. Just the transportation of diesel and gasoline uses up more diesel than making an entire electric vehicle.
Pretty much all of mainstream media is controlled by funding from the fossil fuel companies as is legislation which is the reason why it appears as if no one’s talking about it whereas in alternative electric vehicle forms all of these factors that are extremely well known.
400km in 35min? That’s incredibly awesome
These would be so good for using in parades, they could provide masses of power for whatever is on the trailer as the spectators and performers wouldnt have to breath diesel fumes. Perhaps even electricity companys could sponsor it as advert for what electricity can do.
Revolutionary
The story is in the 1st chapter. Battery&Op cost/charge-time will continue to come down. While power/range/life will continue to go up. No, it cannot do every task a diesel can do today, it doesn't need to. Naysayers will see the world in the rearview mirror.
Kwl....!! No more seeing them crawl at 30km/hr up hills on our motorways and state highways. They should actually be able to do motorway speeds up hills xD... and how quiet they are too
Dude , you dont know much about trucks do ya :) .
@@mikldude9376He sure does. Electric trucks can power up hills at full speed.
Tell me you know nothing about electric trucks without telling me you know nothing about electric trucks.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Google the laws of physics.
There's a German electric truck channel out there showing this indeed isn't the case anymore. It still isn't full-speed, but going uphill 50 instead of 30 is still quite an improvement.
The BEV trucks could be geared to accelerate like a Porsche, but the question is, how much energy do you want to devote to that kind of acceleration?
This is why the truck makers gear them for a more moderate acceleration.
Suspension needs a lot more work, but it's a prototype.
The seat and the chassis was shaking heaps, look at the water bottle in some of the shots.
Most trucks have air seats, this didn't seem to have one.
I can't wait for the Oil tanker giants to be converted to electric.😁
Developers of this semi truck definitely took a serious amount of their design cues from Tesla's Semi designs.
Chinese are shameless.
i mean, theres not much you can do as far as designing one of these. it's like trying to reinvent cargo van styling
With a much lower cost per month to fuel the electric truck, they will be looking for as many as possible! And to also switch their class 6 and 7 trucks to electric too!
My buddy changed from a 18 MPG car to a Tesla and is spending $30 more on the electric bill and $250 less on the gasoline bill each month. A great trade. But the haters will say "So you are spending more on your electric bill, to bad".
The great thing about New Zealand is they import a lot of diesel fuel now, and that can be greatly reduced. They have a lot of hydroelectric power to replace that diesel fuel and that can save them a lot on imported fuel costs!
Many trucks run regular routes to warehouses or large supermarkets. You can install solar on roofs and charging ports at the loading bays. The trucks can top up while unloading.
For more remote use cases, buy an Edison.
Speaking from experience, & with best will in the world, many of the comments seem have no idea the number of ways HV EV can fail compared to existing ICE.
Trucking excellent video. That'll get people discussing the electrification of the fleet in a rational, logical, reasonable and measured way. 😉
Yes, I'm sure you're right and that is what is going to happen. For sure!
no!
Good to see it a finally here Ross. Good luck in the market..
When you see Tesla fans be so quick to call anything Chinese made a copy of something Tesla wanted to make, you know they're doing something right. Otherwise no one would give a ...
My issue with going all electric isn't price and range, but the infrastructure needed to power the switch to electric just isn't there yet! Edison motors has that covered by making their truck Diesel over Electric, like a locomotive train, so you get all the benefits of electric while still being able to generate your own power when needed.
Edision is targeting logging trucks operating in the middle of nowhere where there is no infrastructure at all. Most trucks traveling along busy high way routes would have access to charging infrastructure as well as cheap charging in their depots. Anyway, solvable problem. It will take a few years for these things to start making a dent in the existing fleets of diesel trucks. Though the cost savings might speed that up.
@@JillesvanGurp More than a few years, I think. It took half a century to build the existing fuel infrastructure we have today. The electrical grid is going to need to be more than doubled to handle the load of every vehicle going electric, and we need more power generation. Try calculating the wattage generated by each internal combustion engine operating on the road at any given time, take say, a quarter of that (most energy generated in an internal combustion engine is lost as heat), and you'll have some idea of the amount of electricity that needs to be generated to fully electrify our transportation systems.
I'm not saying that it can't be done, I'm saying that it MUST be done, and we should have started yesterday!
Crikey, he's adorable.
Biggest problem will be charging speed and grid infrastructure - you need a substation to power even a single 1MW charger.
How many 1MW chargers can you put in one place?
How many 1MW chargers before you reach grid capacity?
Infrastructure is not a problem anymore. Here in Europe we have already 800000 charging stations and more popping up every day. Companies like Ionity is backed by the BMW, Mercedes, VW and ABB. Charging speed is still a headache sometimes, but we are getting there.
@@verttikoo2052many for Europe but the US is much different
@@jeromep3182 Who cares
Nice to see, that electic trucking comes to New Zealand. I´m from Germany. Ah, @USUG0 wrote it too, @Electric Trucker shows, that it works and how it works in real working environment.
Should be interesting how it goes. Obviously fleet managers don't get caught up in the emotional aspects of EV vs Dino juice they look at the numbers and TCO over say 10yrs. Once truck chargers become commonplace definitely a place for EV trucks and Europe is already running them.
nonsense!!!! its not dino juice its vegetation juice! also that same juice is that makes everything possible from the tires to cable, battery insulation to the roads, internet basically everything, even your wife´s make up products
How many gallons of Dino Juice was required to extract all the minerals, transport them for processing? Yes, oil also requires it too, but never understood why so many think that batteries don't require Diesel fuel to become in existence.
@@bmw803 and a gallon of diesel requires 5kw of electric to refine, it's a odd big circle.
@@bmw803 Yaaawwwwnnnn
@PaulG.x sleep tight
Thanks Gav. Love your enthusiasm. I'm also really excited about the electrification of the trucking industry.
When it comes to trucks hauling freight, payload is key. A 500hp 6x4 tractor is around 8.5 tonne. 3.5 tonne extra tare is extra weight you cant charge for. It would be interesting to do the sums. Also, work out the whole of-life cost including end-of-life recycling. Down time waiting for parts & repairs is another factor. Interesting though.
Looks suspiciously like the Tesla semi. Surprise surprise.
Aero design. They will all look the same
@@leoaksil4085 Ok, the exterior is designed for the aero, but how about the interior? Do all trucks have a single seat in the middle of the floor?
@@bytemark6508 the aero design doesn't leave much space for two seats, as he said, that's why planes all look very similar. The centre seat also gives the driver better visibility on both sides rather than having a "blindside".
@@bytemark6508
No .... but if you do as they have you can split the air flow at 🚄 🚅 just like a train front , you can also go for European a flat front cab over design. Because of the max length rule also they can park right up to the vehicle in front, on thing's like ferries or the channel tunnel trains.
There is also the traditional North American Peterbuilt long nose truck or the Heavy duty off-road undercut flat wedge front design used on off-road and military vehicles.. so there is minimal frontal overhang allowing bigger wheels and ability to climb over higher steeper objects. Usually these will be AWD all wheel drive .
Electric trucks can also pull powered electric trailers that can also be built as Electric ICE generator hybrids.
An excellent example being the Canadian BC. Edison Topsy HD logging truck which is designed to operate on steep muddy logging trails and haul huge loads of wet timber .. many many miles from any fixed charging infrastructure... though most of the time it works as a plug in... It can run and charge from it's generator till it gets to a charging point.
It can also run at close to full power all the time in hostile conditions.
Yeah and have you seen any Tesla semis out there? Since 2022 I haven't seen a single one out on the roads. Not only that but when a video of the great Tesla was shown overtaking a fully loaded diesel semi trailer someone calculated the load it was carrying which were concrete highway construction barriers to be a maximum of 5 or 8 tonnes. Not 40 tonnes. So this guy comes on here spin doctoring about how diesel is dead. I'd be real careful about his claims and his claims to tests done in China.
Congratz on this great machine.. it is a great Advert for Tesla Semi but it will get some users as will many makers
Legend.
aye up!, you're the Allegro guy.
Tesla Semi definitely inspired the design
08:40. Fyi the same design goals tend to result in the same aircraft etc. Laurie. NZ. 😊
Like anything it comes down to cost and the wait period to get what you need. If Tesla can deliver for less than this in way larger numbers once they ramp up, Windrose will get left in their dust, but I wish them well and I hope they can all compete together to make Electrification of the service fleets of the world go fast and smoothly. The more companies making vehicles the better.
When the Tesla simi was introduced Tesla was shooting for an intro price of $180K USD. But recently they announced
they were going to have to charge $250K USD. We will know for sure soon as Tesla is putting the final touches upon a
brand new simi factory in Nevada. The first trucks are expect to roll out of this new factory in June or July 2025.
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Was that the windscreen wiper bonking from 1:27? Maybe it's only noticeable because there's less motor noise.
Design reminds me of another semi…
as stated in the video.
@ I should have waited before I made my comment.
Aero dynamics would do that. The most efficient design principles
Tesla semi
First how much does this weigh, and what damage what that do to the road hence there should be a higher charge for that damage. You can only put so much torque to the road before it damages the road.
Road user charges in NZ are by weight although they will be exempt in 2025.
I wonder how this thing will do in Europe. In most of Europe the maximum weight a truck can weigh is 40t on 5 axles. In the UK and Russia you can run up to 44t on six axles and in Ireland it’s 46t. In Scandinavia and Finland, the weight allowances are nearly 70t for some vehicles. Also in Finland and Sweden they can use road trains called HCT trailers and can now carry up to 90t in Finland.
Another interesting thing is I wonder if they will change the motors/axles for Europe. Most of Europe uses 4x2 trucks and 6x4 trucks are usually reserved for heavy haulage or off road work.
Id imagine that the cost per mile including maintenance must look a lot better than those mighty diesel behemoths. The infernal combustion engines will likely die off before long because electric vehicles are cheaper. Someone in a logistics office will mention this to a suit wearer and game over 😊 excellent
Most of the wear expenses in thing like wheel bearings and transmissions so it's probably not much different
Lmao because youe life was doing awesome until those combustion engine showed up. You envirometaliat are so pretentious cucks. 😂 electric trucks still need oil for thie differtials and bearing parts.
engineering explained went into detail about the cost of running one and funny thing is if you use any outside supercharger network the lifetime cost will be higher then a diesel lol
with the most powerful ev charger in nz being 300 kwh i dont see how you can put a megawatt into that truck in 35 minutes, and i dont think a truck stops power grid could handle more than a couple of trucks charging at the same time, at full power, but as a truckie l would love it, getting paid to sit around while my truck takes hours to charge, or if the companies say we are not working and wont pay us for down time while charging, l think our union will have something to say about that
It's coming so fast.
Looks like a Tesla Semi copy
What are the road user charges for electric trucks? Are they the same as diesel or are they still exempt?
Exempt if over 3500kg in NZ, until December 2025.
@@ThoughtfulAl I hope this applies to all commercial vehicles, a bit tongue in cheek, but it seems my wildtrak is commercial, so will my shark be as well?
@TerryHickey-xt4mf it's decided based on weight so you're out of luck there.
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Professional Truck Drives just Laugh at these Toy Trucks. They can't even come close a Diesel
Is it STGO cat 2 capable?
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Room for a massive solar panel on the roof fairing.
Yet another electric truck that is late to the party when Scania, Volvo, Mercedes etc already have their electric trucks out.
Gav, you totally need to get your truck license - you will have a great USP becuse no other channels review/talks about EV cars or EV commercial vehicles have truck licences
What sort of percentage of NZ trucking currently uses the high end ICE trucks that this particular model would compete with? Is it a big enough market to help bring the cost down as more are made?
Tesla Nevada factory capacity 50k units a year.
Windrose contractor 10k by 2027 target.
Time will tell, lots of issues, tare weight, price, NZ probably needs a 4-axle truck with current rules, charge network and electricity price is the big one and will charging fit into government mandated break times.
Many Kiwi trucks run 24/7 in remote areas.
Gavin, you really would make a great Fully Charged host!
For sure, Gavin should do some videos for them
I've been waiting to see a good video on this for a while, thanks Gavin.
The cab seems huge, it looks like you're sitting in a kiddie seat in the rear 😅
At first I thought it was a Tesla semi
I meet this beast at all energy expo in Melbourne it will suit a lot of people needs
Spotted this beast heading north out of Pio Pio this afternoon. Definitely an eye catcher. So, had it been down to the Naki to demonstrate for potential owners?
Chinese don't recognise copyright
good
Whats the source of electricity?
that's a great question Harry! wonder if theyll answer it?
In New Zealand? About 85% fossil free.
@zapfanzapfan prove it
@@cantwealljustgetalong2 Statistics for every country can be found on Our World In Data. NZ has a lot of hydro and geothermal.
@@cantwealljustgetalong2 Literally just look up NZ energy mix.
670km per charge - is that "charge" 80%->20% or 100%->0% .. and at what speed? the EVs lose a lot of torque after 60km/hr ..at 100km/hr the consumption will go up significantly.
That's encouraging!
Did you mention which battery chemistry it uses?
I wonder how it will suit Australia?
LFP
I remmber around seven some odd years ago a truck driver that Fox news had brought on complaining about electric trucks, after Tesla had introduced it's version, i wonder were he is now? After that rant and he saw this Chines truck, he probailey deleated himself and did the world a favor
I don't understand why people complain about new technolgy, shure it has problem's but like nature thing's evolve, you did'nt see people stop flying airplaines when someone got killed? They just went back to the drawing board,
Wow they more I watch the more it's an identical Tesla Semi...love the Chinese
I saw this truck at the Hautapu Z the other day, had to have a second look. Was that you guys?
Wow that's a great truck. They need to demo to the big retailers and logistics companies in Australia, they will buy them. They could open a factory in Australia and do the final assembly and deliveries. Will get good funding from the government.
Can’t wait to see more of these on our roads. You beat me to saying it might be time to get a licence.
It takes two electric trucks to do the work of one ICE truck. That makes the work twice as expensive. The insurance is also much more expensive, the resale is less and if the charging stations are like anything of overseas charges, they will become more expensive than the diesal it replaced. Truck charging stations aren't built and run for free.
Till you purchase a Tesla Semi which more powerful than any diesel use 1Kilowatt charging.
Using twice as many BEV trucks is like saying short and medium haul aircraft are useless because some will go farther. Huh. ? You only use the truck within its range limitation; usually terminal to terminal where they collect cheap power at $0.04/kWh which would be less than a tenth the running cost; not counting brakes and diesel service costs. Nor, deadly emissions of diesel trucks that no one takes into account.
May I borrow it?
We move shipping containers in Auckland.
Bro this is a tesla semi. These guys can quickly copy and make cars!!
Would be interesting see rea lpulling 45 to in Nz terrain
Brilliant. All we need now is decent roads........
Hydrogen fuel call brings the best of both worlds. Super quick refueling (around 10 mins maximum) and using the electrical drive-train also brings the servicing and maintenance costs down to par with electric. Now electric drive-train semi-trucks are becoming more advanced, I think hydrogen fuel will be the blossoming fuel of the future, not battery electric trucks. Not so much weight on the axles means more carrying capacity. And you get all the advantageous like regenerative breaking assistance over a diesel equivalent of the exhaust brake or retarder brakes.
And hydrogen can be manufactured from using renewable electricity at fuel stations that already have petrol, diesel and some, LPG or bio-gas.
Hydrogen is very expensive
@logitech4873 well the likes of write buses have managed to make theirs only 12000 pound more then a traditional bus. So trucks will more then likely offer the dome value, considering the cost savings on maintenance and fuel costs.
@@TidyTransport Hydrogen itself, the element hydrogen, is an expensive fuel. I'm not talking about the vehicle
@logitech4873 depending on how it's sourced yes.
If manufactured on site with electrolysis, then the initial cost is higher (same as with electric vehciles) but for a fleet, the cost per vehicle over its lifespan does make it that much more economical, considering the benefits. My opinion only.
I defininatly would like to see it operate in severe cold and heat, and up and down long grades, you know give it the beans in a real world conditions. Because 500 someting dollars is a lot of letuce, but it would be worth if could do all that, all you would need is a comprehencive charging network,
Looks to be a lot of vibration through the steering.
When they get full self driving, there's no need to have hands on the steering wheel most of the time.
@@dvader3263 wow what a excuse
Trust me, the end of diesel isn't happening anytime soon. You could power a small town with the amount of electricity required to charge one of these. At best, big electric electric trucks will only ever have a very specialised use.
Why was my comment deleted? I am a full-time truck driver and was interested in this truck.
what did you say?
@@TerryHickey-xt4mf For what it's worth, I didn't know this was coming despite having followed the slow progress of Tesla Semi for years. Anyway I asked if it would be able to demonstrate it with a loaded trailer in NZ. I expect they will be able to do that as it will be here for a couple of months.
@@ThoughtfulAlit’s UA-cam not the channel, the algorithm didn’t like a keyword/s and shadow bans it
Anything less than full support for green left ideas risks being pulled.
@@Guvament_bs err wrong, I’ve debated both sides, and get similar results, even the slightest friction they remove the comment or key words that they don’t like. Why do you have a 8 month old account? Is this your spam, bot, agitator account ?
I just thought of something... Has anyone tried to make a dual driveshaft drivetrain? One spins one direction and the other spins the other direction to counter the torque twist, only leaving the vertical lifting/compressing force on the differential and suspension.
Yes it's more friction from moving parts but you can make them snaller and you don't need as much torque going through each one because they split the torque...
And besides chassis twist does contribute to a loss in energy, because each piston firing is like a hammer, and we all know that drivetrain slop kills impact driver effectiveness. One driveshaft can also have the joints rotated 45 degrees for a smoother application of torque at more angle.
If only there was a game that could accurately simulate it. BeamNG is too complex for my brain to figure out how to make anything, trailmakers and scrap mechanic both have their issues, one being a lack of part dimensions and the other blocks and partd that go through each other with enough force.
Yes trucks have had reverse and cross locks for decades, maybe most of a century even
Given that we just went through a round of permanent industry shut downs due to high power prices because of lack of generation, we are not ready for mass EV adoption.
We need a massive decade to 2 decade infrastructure build out of our power generation and transmission.
I'm not hearing anyone talk about this so I don't understand how we're going to be seeing many of these for quite some time.
Grids always expand to met demand. Its a business. All the required BEV generation in NZ is already permitted. Off peak generation always exceeds the day time capacity at much less cost. Batteries are a thing in storage. The introduction of BEVs to transport over several decades is way less than the requirements when air conditioning was popularized and way less than AI requirements.
Excellent introduction and overview. Goodluck to Windrush. Goodbye to diesel.
very bad joke!!!! diesel is here to stay wether you like it or not! are we going to see next electric airbus a380? electric musk rocket? hahahahahah funny.........
@@carholic-sz3qvwrong
DIESEL won't be replaced for long distance anytime soon. No trucking company will waste hours stopped at chargers. That's if they work. You refuel a truck in 10-15 minutes and you keep going. Those are good for local deliveries and short distance hauling. Also, when pulling, batteries deplete WAY faster than fuel.
@ time will tell. Certainly agree not in the short term
@@carholic-sz3qv returned home in an A380 on 17th November. Plane was not fueled by diesel. Be positive
UK haulage companies will be queuing up to buy these. 🤣
wow! tanker drivers will be looking on with interest
lame......
I wonder what’s the point of the central seating position. Tesla came up with it but I’ve never heard a truck driver’s take on it. Moving the seat a few inches left or right is pretty cheeky though.
sounds like a great idea! no freaking out about which country drives on what side and all the costs with converting over.
It allows a reduced front area, as he said, which improves aerodynamics, which helps to improve performance and reduce energy used-I know the Tesla Semi is more aerodynamic than a Bugati Cheron! - also reduced costs not making much of a change from left and right hand drive version.
@@markreed9853 I'm not sure if comparing a vehicle built for downforce with one focused on aerodynamics is a good example. It's like saying a knife is better for slicing bread than a spoon, and yes, it is, because both are designed for a different purpose as the mentioned vehicles.
its a very stupid configuration and they are not really going to save any money with that, it just makes those even less capable or flexible.
@@TerryHickey-xt4mf its not
Great show more electric trucks please ❤from the old country
Bring on the electric trucks! I hate getting stuck behind crummy diesel trucks in the mountains-so dangerous!
It will be even more dangerous when an EV truck runs out of power climbing mountains.
Silly comment, truck speed is due to mass and safety this is no different in that regard.
@@foobarf8766 Electric out climbs ICE!
Can we all say Tesla Cybertruck?
Sure the shape, seating, screens are obvious now. Before not.
Tesla copied the cybertruck and somebody copied Tesla semi truck oh well that's life