SOME OF THAT *HAWK TUAH* BEHAVIOUR 💦 | House of the Dragon 2x3 Reaction
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- House of The Dragon | Season 2 Episode 3 | "The Burning Mill"
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I love it how they both look forward and their faces go "oh shit"
If I was a betting man, I would bet Spartan picked the hawk tuah line
How come you guys focusing so much on Alicent's misunderstanding and intent? Go back and watch the episode in Season 1. Otto and the Small Council *already* had plans to install Aegon. Her misunderstanding only helped her go along with the plans guilt-free, she hardly had any power to do anything about it.
Don't forget, it didnt matter what Alicent thought, Otto and the small council ALWAYS planned to install Aegon.
I feel like people put too much emphasis on Alicents role
Bro 🤦♂️💯💯💯 Like honestly Alicient can do nothing at all to stop what’s to come only Aegon can
For realz!!!
But there is no Otto anymore. Now he has the power of dunno Lord Penrose brother.
People need a villain, a lot of people can only see things as black and white, alicent bad rheanyra good, that's as far as they wanna look at it. Takes more thinking to look at the situation in a nuanced way. People tend to quickly forget alicent never wanted to be with the king in the first place, never wanted to have his children, wanted rheanyra to be queen until her father brainwashed her Into seeing things his way and used her to carry out his vision. Both alicent and rheanyra are victims of time and tradition in which men are always attempting to control westeros even with rheaynra being named heir
Alicent S1 did slap Aaron after that jerk off scene and told him he was the challenge and he should be ready to be king pretty and she raised hateful sons
The fact is, Alicent doesn't really have much power anymore. It's out of her hands.
its because she’s a naive fool. she was otto’s tool first and now that she put her son on the throne she has no power. even ser cole has more power than her now
not an excuse to not to try to make things right.
"I am claiming Harrenhal"
"Understandable, have a great day ✌"
That's pretty much how it happened in the book, but they surrendered it as soon as they saw Caraxes approaching the castle
@@kingofdragons7yup
"Well, you can keep this shithole. Good luck whit it". 🤣
@@josestemler7520 this "shithole" is only the largest castle in the realm
@@kingofdragons7 Well, happens that I know exactly that. Been a fan of the ASOIAF universe for a very long time now. It was only a joke, aluding to the actor's performance during the scene. lol
This war began as soon as Alicent gave birth to a son. Alicent misunderstanding what Viserys said had no impact because Otto and the green council were already prepared to steal the throne.
This!
Every reaction I've seen always forgets this! They were always planning on overthrowing her to put aegon on the throne no matter what ailicent heard. They didn't want a woman on the iron throne!
This war began long before Alicent had a son. The war began the second he chose Rhaenyra over Daemon. When that happened every serpent began to plot.
@@scubasteve2903 Not necessarily but yes at the same time, they were hopeful the king had a son and replace Rhaenyra which he had but never named him and that enraged the lords, they just dont want a woman on the throne and who can blame them?
She did try her best to turn her kids into spiteful little creatures like her for their entire lives though, all because she was delusional about Rhae killing her kids to get a throne her kids were never heirs to.
daemon did not know how to deal with such a peaceful situation 😅
😂😂
He came ready to fight and conquer but found people who already hated the greens. Oh well there's always next time
So peaceful it gave him trippy visions
😂😂
😂😂😂
It was Erryk who survived. Him saying "forgive me Your Grace" is because he's about to take his life because he can't live with the fact that he ended his twin brother's life with his own hands.
They were born together, they shall die together.
Yep the actors and show runner confirmed that Erryk killed Arryk before killing himself in front of his Queen.
Yes it was definitely Erryk (Rhaenyras man) who won. I feel he took his life for 2 reasons. The most important being the grief over killing his brother, but also there’s no chance he could ever be fully trusted again. They would never really know which of the brothers died.
I’ve also personally always like what I feel their fight represented. There is no winner in wars, and certainly no winners between wars and kin.
I thought he also asked for forgiveness because the life of his Queen was at risk. He probably at that blamed himself, more than anyone, for "allowing" to let it get that far. Plus, seeing how Rhaenyra's council is often trying to force immediate bloodshed, he would've been ordered to the death or exile.
I know the showrunners confirmed it, but I liked the idea that it could have also been Arryk apologizing for choosing the wrong side
@@Joggi98 wouldnt make sense. arryk believed he was fighting for the right side the entire time. he apologized when he first walked into the room anyway that he had to do it. but he still believed he had to do it.
It's never too late???what did you expect her to do ??tell Aegon that it was all a misunderstanding 😂...after his son had been killed😂😂
Ya. Rhaenys has been giving bad advice all season. Go see Alicent? To do what? Waste time?
And Rhaenyra would likely have to have him executed as a usurper and traitor. At the very least, Aegon would have to be banished to Essos.
@@duybui83but you know atleast now Rhaenyra realizes that there is no other way than war.
"Aegon...how would you feel if I told you, you don't have to be king? You can go play and get drunk with your pals and sleep in everyday...."
"Why, mother?"
"Well....um...you know how your father got a bit loopy in the end....um...i maybe, might have, could have...misunderstood what he said about you being king"
"What?!"
"Im sorry! Look; you can keep the dagger, okay?"
@@roddo1955
This ridiculous line of thought really ought to be put to bed. It has expired.
This Aegon is certainly not the same Aegon of the past and the one you saw in season 1.
He has acquired the taste of being a monarch and his son has been killed as well..
He is not going to let go and will finish it one way or the other..
The fact of the matter is that it is WAY too late. Cole is on the march. Daemon is gathering an army. Aemond is ready for war. Aegon lusts for revenge. Jacaerys looks like he wants some for Lucerys. The Brackens and the Blackwoods have already started fighting. There is no peace now. Rhaenyra’s council is restless as they should be. The time to act is now. Now’s not the time for peace. There was a time but that time was lost the moment Vhagar ate Lucerys.
Everybody forget that Otto would’ve killed Rhaenyra and usurped the throne anyway. Alicent’s idiotic misunderstanding very likely saved Rhaenyra’s life. I’m no fan of hers, but this entire situation could’ve very well been much worse. This shit was going down no matter what.
Other people have said this, but Otto was already planning to put Aegon on the throne even before Alicent came on board. So the misunderstanding was not the difference maker at the end, it was just a nice little bonus for Otto to go forward without any resistance from Alicent
Exactly. Alicent was the QUEEN. She could have easily prevented everything. She is so dumb. 😂😂
@@RhaenyraT2001no you're the dumb one
@@RhaenyraT2001 She was queen consort she absolutely could not have prevented it as we saw, the council planned everything behind her back. Otto sent out his own men to sequester Aegon and keep him away from Alicent, only Aemond and Criston managed to overtake them. Alicent's opinions on the matter meant very little, really the most she could do was what she did-- damage control.
@@bolxons Right after her husband's death? No she could not. Otto's plan was already in motion.
She did however have the option to use brain for some 15-20 years before that meeting when she spent day and night teaching her kids to hate Rhae instead of becoming delusional about Rhae killing her kids for the throne (which they never were heirs to) because Otto told her so.
@@bolxons Yes but when she found out theyd been plotting she wouldve put a stop to it if she didnt get mistaken. We see this when she tells the guy on the council that shell send him to the wall. Also when she asks for ageon to be brought to her first instead of otto. Ageon at that time also did not want the throne so how would they force him espeically if alicent would be backing ageon and telling otto no?
Game of Thrones universe 101: STOP NAMING KIDS AEGON! 💀
Ummm,you know there's over 17 king Louis right!? Dozens of king Edward's and queen Elizabeth's. It happened a lot in real world kingdoms. A lot of things are pulled from real life events..except for dragons 😂
@@ghostlee6434I think of that every time someone complains about all the repeated names in this show. Lol
For those who are shitstorming Fabien Frankel on social media: go and look up some interviews he did for the show, especially when paired together with Matt Smith. That guy is humble, nice and so funny, just the sweetest guy you could imagine - nothing like his character. So please leave him alone.
People confusing an actor with the character they play is just an insane mindset.
Those people shouldn't even be allowed on the internet. Can't even understand the difference between acting and real life. That's a dangerous and unstable mindset to have. Can't forget about the death threats and hate Joffrey was receiving during his time in GoT. Pretty sure that's what caused him to stop acting. I get not liking a character in a tv show, but to wish death or illness on someone over acting is just low and pathetic.
I've never understood this mindset. In my experience, if anything, the people who play the most irritating, disgusting, rage-inducing villains tend to be the kindest, most humble, sweetest human beings irl...
I don't understand why is everyone commenting this on reaction channels lol
@@harsh_1910 The people who judge those actors so intently that they leave hateful comments on their social media, probably watch reactions of said actor on UA-cam to leave the same type of comments……
You guys seem to forget that Otto and the rest of the council where going to put Agon on the throne no matter what Alicent thought, she has really done nothing but try to keep Rynera alive in the long run.
Unfortunately barely anyone in the general public realizes that
you're right but people find it more convenient to blame alicent for everything instead of using their brains for a second
Lol really......
The first part of your comment is fine but saying alicent has done nothing but try to keep rhaenyra alive is the funniest comment I've read so far lol
@@jasonpetric5992 She repeatedly defended Rhaenyra's life, opposing the Green council. I wouldn't say she's steadfast in that resolve, since she's shown to still be pliable to Otto's machinations, but so far she hasn't given up to bloodlust. She even lets Rhaenyra leaves King's Landing unscathed. That doesn't justify her hypocritical stances, but she's one of the most "honourable" people left at KL.
"You've heard the stories of Harrenhal, Your Grace. It was built in hubris by Harren the Black as a monument to his own greatness. Blood mixed into the mortar. It is said to be a cursed place. That it passes judgment on all who pass beneath its gates."
Daemon wasn't just having a dream.
Yep. It was built over a chopped down forest of weirwood trees (except for the one that survived), and the blood in the mortar was blood magic. Combined it made a castle of sorcery.
and the following episode, daemon called harrenhals curse a "ghost story that the greens used to their advantage" lmao now hes eating his words. Don't fuck with the Old Gods Incest man, theyve been around far longer than Valyrians...
It was the work of Alys Rivers, she's a witch, the actress said that Alys may be alive for 400 years
Y’all are forgetting Otto and his council already planned to usurp the throne. Otto never believed viserys changed his mind, but alicent needed that to agree with putting aegon on the throne.
Everything isn't a result of Alicent's misunderstanding. It's a result of Otto & the council plotting to put Aegon on the throne.
It was always too late. There was always going to be war. If Aegon surrenders, Rhaenyra may not kill him, but Daemon surely will, because he is a threat to her claim.
If Rhaenyra surrenders, she will be killed for the same reason. There's no peaceful outcome.
Alicent has a point ...IT'S ALREADY TOO LATE
Yes, and everyone in the world understands it, except for Rhaenyra and Rhaenys.
@@frankvandorp2059rhaenys was raised during the reign of the conciliator but she needs to understand that times have changed and restrain is not the right weapon rn, rhaenyra’s council is right she needs to act
Yeah like, people forget that Alicent is not the one actually in control. Aegon is. And Aegon wants revenge for his son.
It's too late... You're now in my clutches. But I'll let you leave the castle anyway and doom us all because... -_-
Yep. B&C made sure it was too late as Aegon wants to avenge his son. Rhaenyra should too but the writers want to make Rhaenyra a pacifist
Rhaenyra's face in the end: "To war then." 🤌
bout time she realises
so basically the end of s1 ep10, we just wasted 3 eps for nothing
@@afifmajid8754 a lot has happened in those episodes, or do you want just battles and gore? In the book it felt like 50 pages, they're milking as much as they can
@@18shuh its not compelling to watch the same exact scene over and over just with slight variations. I feel like I've seen the scene with Rhaenyra's counsel like 50 times already. At least with the green council they mix it up a bit more.
It's so cool to see the 3 dragon eggs, that Daenerys will get 200 years later. That was a pretty darn cool Easter Egg.
It was not, it originally was heavy hinted to belong to Dreamfyre, the writers are just so biased they can't let the greens have something great
@@yasmina3999 heavy hinted by what? Fire and Blood? which is entirely unreliable narrators?
@@blanketwodahs6741 no. It was heavy hinted and why would they lie if Dreamfyre had another rider then ?
The show and books are different canon, GRRM said it in his recent interview. Stop acting like GRRM gave the writers the real sequence of events - they make up the story in their own. It's not " what actually happened" bullshit 🤦🏻♀️ They just took the most obvious hint of those dragons' origin and gave it to Rhaenyra for fanservice.
Apparently if something is positive about the greens, you ALWAYS say it's " propaganda"
@@blanketwodahs6741this is such a tired talking point, yes it’s unreliable, but it’s not a real history book. there are truths in f&b and the story told by hotd is simply not as compelling as the one told in f&b because its cherry picking from various characters and dany, to give their traits to others, rather than sticking to what we do know. the problem is not that hotd changes things or that they have to pick one version of events to show, they’re actively making the story worse at every turn (and i’m saying this as a team black fan because those characters are getting the brunt of this like jace, rhaenys, rhaenyra, etc) this is literally the same mistake game of thrones made in writing after season 5 and it’s okay to admit that
@@yasmina3999 whoa. uhh, I was actually asking, I guess I came off too aggressive. I just typed away and moved on. I don't have any position on any of this, I was wondering if there was some actual facts about that in ASOIAF and not just things in F&B or world of ice and fire. Where the eggs originated from doesn't matter to me.
Aegon is my favorite character. Dude is too entertaining. The conquerers armor was dope too
why ? because its very powerfull him standing up showing it al and not showing that he cared(even though from the inside he is broken).... unlike the bj scene this nudity was tackfull, emotional and very powerfull. amazing acting by ewan mitchell
The bj scene was just a regular scene. They were in a brothel
You guys are misunderstanding the whole war. Let's say Alicent doesn't go into Viserys' room when he died, do you think Otto and the black council wouldn't have crowned Aegon? He definitely would and he already sent the treasury for safe keeping with the Lannisters.
Green council
Yeah I like watching these two’s reactions but honestly I think they aren’t the brightest bulbs in the pack
A lot of things go over their heads in the shows they react too
@@prometheus2881 They only pay attention to Rhaenyra.
it’s never to late to change the title 😆😆
What were they thinking fr
so cringe. alicent never does anything in this episode to warrant that.
"what a hell is this place" it's Harenhall, you watched History's and lore, it's the cursed castle, people see things in it and also it always burns
I despise Cole. But hes the only one thats been in real battle sitting at that table. Also, theres nothing more to be done. Its too late to turn back now. War it tis!
Cole isn't up for politicking and that's something I respect about him but unfortunately, aegon needs a hand that is up for politicking.
Im not sure if you noticed but rhaena was sent away with 4 eggs, 3 of which are the eggs daenerys gets
Yep, Shiera Seastar steals them, travels west of Westeros to Asshai and becomes Quathe. Quathe then guides Danny while Bloodraven guides the Starks. I love that they are fleshing out the SOIAF.
Shouldn’t have changed it from Dreamfyre’s eggs. An awful change imo. They even made Dreamfyre to look like Dany’s dragons. Lazy writing imo.
@Gunkus I would agree apart from the fact that it's nice for more casual enjoyers to have a backstory for her eggs. Jaeherys reign will never be shown on a screen due to how good of a king he was
@@thomasluke-wp8or that’s a good point. Just not my favorite.
Daemon is The King Consort and should be reffered to as your grace At the Velaryons wedding they introduced Laenor as "The future King consort"once Rhaenyra became queen That makes Daemon King Consort by default since Rhaenyra is queen Not calling him ur grace would be not ackownledging Rhaenyra as Queen.
EXACTLY
Wrong, the husband of a queen is called Prince consort.
@@user-xr3ul2xc1l Not in Westeros Its stated many times That whoever Marries Rhaenyra is the "King consort" Also Corlys literally calls him King consort in ep 2
in westeros the king concort is not your grace i believe
@@sese8976 i dont see why he wouldn't be called ur grace if he's the ruler's husband just like Alicent is called ur grace yet she's the dowager queen.
Rhaenys seems to be living her own queen fantasy vicariously through Rhaenyra at the moment.
She clearly never got over getting what she saw as her rightful inheritance taken from her by a bunch of men. So now she creates a fantasy around her, of herself as a wise, patient and retrained queen putting all those rash hotheaded men into place.
But in reality of course, those male advisors she keeps shutting down and accusing of disloyalty make very valid points, war IS inevitable and it IS important to act now. They're not advising action because "men just want war", they're advising action because the war has already started and there is no time for dreaming about impossible peace.
She keeps encouraging Rhaenyra to not do anything as their situation grows more precarious by the day, and then goes off to Corlys to complain that Rhaenyra's council is in disarray, even though the main reason it's in disarray is because Rhaenys is on a power trip and constantly shutting everyone down.
Well said!
Ikr. The greens are gathering their army to attack, and the blacks are sitting 😑
Exactly!
Well spoken +!
THIS. Iam Team black forever but Rhaenys is STUPID.
Alicent is not stupid. She knows she fucked up. But what are you expecting her to do ? She has no power. She's only the dowager queen, she has no real power. You really think she can just go to the Small Council and say "you guys are not going to believe me but I was wrong, we have to give the throne back to Rhaenyra" ? No one is going to listen. It's too late.
I love the fact that if it wasn't for Alicent, Rhaenyra could even be dead already, because Otto and the Council wanted to go to Dragonstone to kill her and put Aegon on the throne, but Alicent didn't want to.
Just because they would’ve flown there doesn’t mean they would’ve succeeded in killing Rhaenyra. Both the queens held off on violence as long as possible.
Tbh I agree with Daemon. Rhaenys should’ve flamed them all up to prevent war. On strength alone that they held her hostage for a loyalty vow and would’ve killed her if she didn’t comply. It really would’ve been self defense.
But then… there’d be no story.
@@Taewills That’s why I said COULD have happen and the possibility was not that low, I also don't think that Rhaenys would end the war because she would be killing a king who had just been crowned, for sure if she burned everyone, it wouldn't be cheap for her, even more so in those circumstances.
@@Taewillsyea and that was shitty writing on their end which never happened in the books so technically everything is on rhaenys since she didn’t kill them but instead chose to kill thousands of innocents
@@Taewillswhy is it on rhaenys to kill ppl who are also her family members??
28:30 The woman who says You Will Die Here is Alys Rivers, a sorceress who can see the future, an important character.
Id rearticulate those words because this is a major spoiler for those who havent read the book
@@Nexun8I mean, I agree, but the actress and showrunners confirmed this too. So the spoiler is out. Now we just need to try and keep secret hoe it happens.
@@Nexun8 It's not a spoiler after a character literally says "you will die in this place", lol.
@@Kratosx23 Most people arent really certain after this scene because often times in GOT prophecies didnt become true (think of melisandre and stannis on the iron throne) - but if you state "a sorceress who can see the future" a lot of that doubt is probably going away :)
*witch
Please think logically. Do you expect Alicent to go and announce "hey everyone! I could barely hear my husband on his deathbed. He said something about Aegon the Conqueror but I thought he meant his son" On top of that Otto already gad a plan laid out for when Vicerys passed. They were putting Aegon on that throne no matter what.
Alicent gets way too much hate, compared to Rhaenyra. I said what I said.
@@ironmaiden93ofangmar I’d argue the exact opposite. She absolutely doesn’t get the hate she deserves. She’s been turned from a strong character that influenced the story to a victim of circumstances/damsel in distress trope. Totally ruined her character.
@scubasteve2903 fair enough. I personally see her as a better character than Rhaenyra. She was a victim from the very beginning of the story. Obviously, now as an adult her victimhood as a child is not justification for her mistakes. But it does add to the complexity of her. Meanwhile, Rhaenyra is constantly painted as a goody two shoes when she has had her fair share of mistakes as well
@@ironmaiden93ofangmar I personally liked the dynamic in the book between the two. I believe they have tried to make Alicent look better so the division between the two groups appears more fair between the viewers. But Rhaenyra has her faults. Her infidelity and birthing of bastards and not taking her role seriously are all knocks of her character. Introducing the song of ice and fire on the dagger makes her look bad because she was not only given the responsibility of ruling but also the knowledge of the winter that is coming. And she shirked those responsibilities. The infant being murdered in her name, etc…
@@ironmaiden93ofangmar What's Rhaenyra done? She lied about sleeping with someone when she was a teenager. Big whoop. Alicent and Crispy were mad about it now they're sleeping with each other?? Doing the same thing they chastised Rhaenyra for. Her so-called best friend married her father, was seeing him behind her back and had his children to challenge her claim to the throne (under Otto's direction of course). They did usurp the throne, all Rhaenyra's done is rightfully claim it back. She would be a good queen, Aegon is a terrible king. Despite it all, Rhaenyra goes to Alicent to beg for peace. The greens are terrible.
Title super cringe ngl 🌚
Fluff off you big meany
What does it mean I’m so confused
I don’t even know what it means lol
It was the girls idea
"Spit on that thang"
who thought the title was a good idea
Trust me when I tell you Aegon IS as fearsome if not even MORE than any of them
More definitely not
Put some respect on him and Sunfyre (only in this context)
@@alicentcore he and sunfyre canonically have the best dragon bond in history, arguably even greater than daenerys. they can communicate telepathically over thousands of miles
Yes, but Aegon's moments to shine are the last seasons. Aegon is a fool but he is a tough boy
@@priscilafernandez1259 Aegon even stopped taking milk of the poppy later on. His burns were incredibly painful but he still tossed that crap away
Honestly the title of this video made me not want to click on it.
Yet, Here You Are
You can hate Criston all you want but he's battle tested, he has fought in wars while a lot of Rhaenyra's knights haven't. Having him as hand during a time of war actually gives Aegon an advantage considering Otto was being too passive.
I doubt he's wise enough to be the Hand though, even with whatever battle experience he may have. Aside from that, Otto was looking at the bigger picture and thinking about what is good for the realm (regardless of how manipulative and scummy he may be)
Yes Criston was the MVP of the opposing side.
He practically won the war for the blacks.
that title is so cringe dear god feel shame
🙄
Yeah it’s clear they don’t even know the references. Makes zero sense.
they need to get off tiktok and pick up a book. so embarrassing.
First time the title made me not watch the video. What a shame.
would have fit last episode, this made no sense at all
Criston Cole is not riding to harrenhal yet? He's going to the great houses that support rhanyra in the Crownlands( the area around king's landing) to turn them to Aegon.
Nothing alicent can do
I totally don't get what the actual f Rhaenyra wanted Alicent to do. Like go tell your son he's not a king and he will apologise nicely? Go kill your own family? Go do what exactly? Ofc that stupidity wasn't in the book
Rhanera is deserpeate she knows she struggling to raise an army ind in desperation alot of people will need to die to install her on the throne she wants a peaceful out to what is basically a nuclear war
Ypu also need to realize the book isn't a historical ly accurate recounting it's much like the bible...embellished stpries
@@sosayweall2509people still believe the book isn’t accurate but the show is? Lmao
Rhaenys' great advice 👌
@@Birdflaps20That's what the old man said.
Alicent has no power to do anything, no power over Aegon or Aemond. If she went to Aegon asking for him to make piece with Rhaenyra he would have her thrown into a black cell. Rhaenyra and Rhaenys are both incredibly stupid and weak. Why are they both trying to find peace when only them and Alicent wants it? Daemon wants revenge for his brother as does Jace, Aegon wants vengeance for the death of his son and Aemond his nephew. To think peace is still an option when armies have amassed and battles already fought is incredibly naïve and if anything it shows how incompetent both Rhaenyra and Rhaenys are. Rhaenys is trying to act like this cool headed girlboss putting these hotheaded men in their place, when the men are the only people in the room making any sense and giving Rhaenyra good advice. Rhaenys advice is making Rhaenyra weaker.
It's funny how they try making Rhaenys sound smart by not letting anyone reply to her bs :)
It may been mentioned, but the opening tapestry is sort of based on the Bayeux Tapestry, which tells the story of William the Conqueror’s conquest of England.
The only good part about this season
My personal theory is that Viserys had dreams. He was known to have dreams, he mentioned this in the first season. He knew all of this would happen. That it needed to happen for the song of ice and fire. That's why he named our slayqueen the heir. Thats why he brought Otto back. Thats why he ignored his sons. He knew what they would become. He intentionally opened pandora's box. The eggs that Rhaynera sent to Pentos are the one's gifted to Danny 150 years later.
Hahahaha I was wondering when this would drop ❤ it was Erryck, Rhaenyra's knight, who fell on his sword. He says 'your Grace, forgive me'. Arryck would NOT address her as Grace, he had sworn his pledge to HIS KING Aegon...
"Otto Hightower would've never allowed this. "
Otto was the one who ordered Harold Westerling to kill Rhaenyra in season 1 episode 9 when the greens were plotting to take the throne lol.
That's very different. It's about the mindset of the characters.
The action of Otto was very calculated. At this point, no one except the Green Council knew the king was dead. The plan of Otto would have permitted to crush the Blacks by killing Rhaenyra immediatly.
Aegon and Criston on the other hand just acted on impulse without thinking things through. The plan was messy from the beginning. It was stupid
She didn’t mean it like that obviously. She knows otto would be able to order someone to kill Rhaenyra, but what she doesn’t believe him capable is agreeing to a plan as stupid as this one. Like otto isn’t an idiot, unlike a certain someone.
She means it’s to late as in two sons are dead it’s to late to go back now they can’t just sit and talk it out now
Rhaenyra is becoming very much like her father Viserys now: weak, indecisive, refusing to take action or listen to her sensible advisors who DO understand what's going on (except Rhaenys obviously who is equally clueless), and deluding herself into thinking this still can all be fixed somehow.
Young Rhaenyra in Daemon's dream was a powerful image for her state of mind: trying to sew the head of a decapitated boy back on, as if that could undo what happened to the boy and restore him to life again. She refuses to accept what happened and would rather engage in magical thinking so she can tell herself what's done can be undone, than deal with reality as it is.
This is a hard truth as a viewer because Rhaenyra is portrayed in a light that makes her very likeable, but you are absolutely right. Even if Alicent acknowledged that she misinterpreted Viserys’s dying words, both of them would still remain powerless to stop the war that’s been set in motion. Alicent can’t simply say “oops hang on everyone I was wrong!” and have Aegon step down and everyone forget everything that’s happened since Viserys’s death, but Rhaenyra seems to think that somehow untangling this misunderstanding can still fix everything.
@@LorraineVirginie Yeah, it's quite something that Rhaenyra went on this extremely foolish and dangerous mission into King's Landing, leaving her council leaderless for several days, only to hear Alicent tell her the same thing her own advisors have been telling her for days: "it's much too late, stop being silly and accept reality".
Her character has become really annoying and weak and so has rhaenys . Book rhaneys was such good and not a pacifst and not a hypocrite
I think you need to understand Rhaenyra’s mindset. Up until this conversation she has been under the impression that her father abandoned her, and did not want her on the throne. This nagging thought has made her question her decisions and right to the throne. With her now knowing that her father did not change her mind I think we are now going to see a more decisive queen.
@@RetroHondo67 I understand that's (part of) her mindset, I'm just pointing out that that mindset is quite irrational and the whole idea that it even matters now what Viserys said is wrong. She's created a dreamworld for herself because she can't accept reality, which results in her being an ineffective queen who ends every council with not making any decisions.
Daemon was officialy called “The Rogue Prince” in his younger years I think, I don't know how related this is but it's interesting that in this episode he didn't want to be addressed as my prince anymore. So maybe it doesn't have to do with him wanting to be King but is just him trying to let go of the immaturity or the “rogue” reputation that he 's had throughtout the years
Alicent LET RHAENYRA GO AWAY FROM KING'S LANDING ....ISN'T THAT ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT SHE DOESN'T WANT BLOODSHED?!
rhaenyra could loose the dragons on kings landing and burn everything her councel men keep advicing her to burn them with her dragons but she doesnt listen to them so it goes for her aswell
The whole conclusion of that conversation is that it's bigger than Alicent at this point. She let's Rhaenyra go because she knows that between the two of them they don't want bloodshed, but it doesn't matter what either of them want, their houses were always destined for war unfortunately.
People are obtuse about Alicent. They don’t like her so everything she says or does is not understood or seen as wrong.
@@zaaerrthey could try and Vhagar would kill them all lol
@@anabourdieuNo por obtusa, es mas porque todo lo que hace lo hace por algo que todoa vemos incorrecto.
Ademas de ser muy hipocrita y hablar demadiaso de los valores y esta misma romperlos es facil de odiar.
idk what people and Rhaenyra expect from Alicent at this point. Ok, it has been a mistake, now what? She doesn't have power over council or control, and even if she did? What, she convices Aegon to abdicate? Ok, what about Aemond, he gotta be killed, right, because otherwise he won't stand for this? So she would allow for her son to be murdered? And also expect Aegon to live as abdicated king, while still married, with a possibility of male heirs? And other councillors to live as well? People do realize, that no matter how indecisive and passive Rhaenyra is, which she is, no matter how Rhaenys seems to hype this crap style of rule, there are still more people in power, including Daemon, who would just slaughter all the greens given Alicent somehow recognizes a mistake and somehow, in this pipedream fantasy sunshine and flowers world, Rhaenyra peacefully ascends the throne.
It is too late, too many things happened, people died already. It was a mistake, yes, but right now there is "no mistake".
You guys should really watch the making of each episode, they are after the credits and after the preview for next weeks episode. You'd get all of your questions answered.
Alicent can't control her sons. Simple as that.
She never even tried. She’s an awful mother.
@Taewills cause she couldn't. She didn't have to try, because she knew it would be pointless.
@@drakethesnek6429 huh?!? It’s pointless to raise children to be kind, honorable, empathetic and educated? Wdym? Alicent / Otto were in charge of everything when Viserys was alive. She certainly could’ve made a huge difference in the family dynamic. A positive affect.
@@Taewills don't strawman me.
And Rhaenyra can’t even control Daemon or her council.
I feel like a lot of people are giving Alicent a pass just because Otto and the council were always going to try to usurp the throne and Alicent has diminished power now that Otto is gone and Aegon is listening to people like Cole and Larys. What can she do? She can admit, even if only to Rhanerya, that she has made a horrible mistake. It may be too late to walk it back but she can at least express some culpability and regret. I think we’ve finally hit the point where no one is blameless and these are all bad people to one degree or another with maybe one or two exceptions.
I clearly need to rewatch this episode again since i don't remember any "Hawk Tuahing" from Alicent.
😅 more of a reference to spitting on Rhaenyra and her plead to end the war that's brewing.... ya'll just have dirty minds 👀
@@SpartanandPudgeyit’s Rhaenyra here who pleads to end the war. Alicent says it is too late and she is right. Rhaenyra is delusional thinking that it can be stopped. Don’t know what episode you guys watched
@@SpartanandPudgey Fair 😭
@@SpartanandPudgeyits a dirty reference and it’s been used very poorly by you guys.
i assumed they were referring to when alicent was getting that gawk from cole
"surely that's fake" XD
Daemon isn’t wrong for demanding to be called 'Your Grace.' The consort of the ruler is also called Your Grace. Alicent and Cersei (pre becoming queen in her own right) were called Your Grace and they were both consorts of the ruler.
One little gripe that I've always had about Alicents choice after the King died is that one of Rhaneras two twins that she introduced him to is also named Aegon. So he could have just as easily been referring to his grandson
the surviving twin addressed rhaenyra as "your grace"-- a title used only to address a recognized ruler -- identifying him as erryk, her sworn defender.
This is the worst shoe-horning of Hawk Tuah I've seen. It doesn't even make sense in the title.
Its is to late...
Alicent has no Otto anymore and Aegon is a ruthless idiot wanting for war, while spiders whisper in his ear...
The one who told Daemon that he would die is Alys Rivers, she could allegedly see visions of the future, and to some a witch. Harrenhal is also said to be cursed and haunted.
Alicent is also family oriented. She has always cared about her family. I would even say that Rheneyra is more throne focused because she's actually in the position to attain it and was named heir.
The reason BTW his dad Viserys didn't have a master of whispers is because he didn't need one due to the over 50 years of long lasting peace between most of the great houses on the continent
WHAT IS HARRENHALL ?
Harrenhall is the largest castle in Westeros, much larger than any other castle in Westeros. Winterfell, Storm's End, Dragonstone, the Red Keep, all these constructions are small compared to the most gigantic castle in Westeros, built by Harren the black who enslaved all the Riverlands to build his fortress as titanic as his ego.
When Aegon the Conqueror landed, Harren the Black refused to surrender, and Balerion incinerated Harrenhall, the flames so powerful that the stone melted like a candle, dripping into incandescent Magma.
Despite its ruined state, Harrenhall remains a strategic asset, as it lies in the center of Westeros, at the crossroads between the Westlands, the Vale of Arryn, the Riverlands and the Crownlands.
Despite its ruined state, its walls are taller and thicker than anything built in Westeros, and the size of the gigantic castle means it can house an entire army.
After these few military defeats against Rob Stark, Tywin occupied Harrenhall to prevent Rob from going down to Port Real. This is where Arya serves as his cupbearer.
Then after Tywin was forced to leave the stronghold to come to the aid of King's Landing during Stannis's assault and the Battle of the Nera, Rob occupied the castle (that's where they found Qyburn) and told Roose Bolton. It is therefore always in this castle that Jaime saved Brienne from the bear.
In any era, the army that holds Harrenhall is a bit like the central pawn in a game of tic-tac-toe, the one that allows you to block the opponent and control the movement of the armies.
This castle is also in such a state of disrepair that it is half abandoned, the lord who occupies it only inhabiting the least damaged tower of all. The restoration of this castle is such that even a Lannister would not be rich enough to achieve it.
In GOT, it is this castle that Lord Baelish receives as a reward in season 3.
It is also in this castle that the great council of 101 is held which we see during the introduction of season 1 of House of the dragon where Viserys is named successor to Jaehaerys. The old king held this council in this castle because it was the only one large enough to house all the Lords of Westeros and their entire household.
This castle was the stronghold of Lyonnel Strong, hand of the king of Viserys and father of Harwyn and Larys Strong. It was in this castle that the fire which killed the first 2 took place, making Larys the title owner of the castle, even if he prefers to stay in Harrenhall.
Wtf with the title? What fo you want Alicent to do? Say "Aegon, it was a mistake, give back Rhaenyra the throne, your son died for no reason"?
That's the consequences of shitty writing. The show keeps pushing the narrative that Aegon's only solid argument is Viserys's last wish which is not the case.
Aegon doesn't need Viserys's order, he bases his claim on tradition and precedent that made Viserys king over Rhaenys 30 years ago. But the show doesn't want to address this for some reason and puts all the blame on Alicent's misunderstanding. Even Pudgey and Spartan now start hating her because the writers didn't bother to give her and the green real motivations and backups for putting Aegon on the throne. It makes them look just stubborn and delusional for no reason.
I mean they did give her motivation in ep 5 when Otto gave her valid argument that her children would be in danger if Rhaenyra took the throne, and Alicent indeed had this belief for 16 years, but apparently she forgot about it the family dinner in ep 8 and now only Viserys's wish is her argument. if Alicent can't say anything better than "he changed his mind" to back up Aegon's claim,then why would the audience believe Aegon HAS anything but this illusion?
I hate this show change so much because it undermines everything: world building, motivations and the message of the story
Ignoring the political arguments of the Greens harms the story not only as an entertainment work, which initially provided audience with an interesting conflict in which both sides have strong claims, it also leads to simplifying the political side of the issue. It weakens the message of the story laid down by both the author of the book and the creator of the show in numerous interviews and podcasts- criticism of the monarchical system and especially vague , uncodified laws and contradictions it brings with it. A system in which there are no clear rules, which ultimately becomes an excellent basis for interpretations in favor of one or another political party, from which the conflict arises. The point was that both Aegon and Rhaenyra had strong claims because the monarchy lets several claimants have legal grounds for inheritance based on different arguments.
Now there's nothing left from it because the show pushes an idea that Rhaenyra is not only perfect ruler but also the only one with legal claim.
How can you criticize monarchy and simultaneously push the idea that only one side is legitimate and everything would be fine if Rhaenyra became queen?
It does make sense for people to call Daemon "your grace", I mean Cersei, Margaery, Alicent, Heleana, etc have all gotten that treatment while simply being the spouses of kings so it stands to reason the same applies in reverse for Daemon as the queen's spouse
Aegon: I’m a fearsome as any of them
Book readers: I mean he does pull his weight when the time comes
I can't wait for the people who underestimate Aegon see what he does in this war
Hopefully the show doesn't ruin it 😬
@@kingofdragons7 is it coming this season? cause I had high hopes for him and I've been let down
Why spoil things for these guys? They haven't read the books...
@@mastouriedam5845 What is coming this season?
15:06 Ha, thinking Daemon has morals. Maybe time for a S1 rewatch
So many reaction channels have used the Hauk Tueh sound for their HOTD reactions its crazy lol
Had Rhaenrya had spoken to Alicent even a week prior then there might have been a peaceful solution. Alicent doesn't have much power anymore. Otto was fired as hand, and Aegon is showing he can't be controlled or "guided" as Otto put it. I don't feel sorry for Alicent or Otto in the slightest. They never prepared Aegon to rule nor did they have any idea of what happens after Aegon was put on the throne. When you stir up shit eventually you are going to step in it, Otto and Alicent stirred it up and now they are stepping in it. I loved the "I fucked up" look on Alicent's face when Rhaenrya said that Viserys was talking about the conqueror and not Aegon II.
It doesn't matter what Alicent knows or doesn't know. The war was always going to happen, with or without her. She's just an easy person to blame for a lot of the audience. It really isn't on her.
She raised her kids to hate and fear Rhaeneyra, because she was jealous of her. So yeah, it is Alicent's fault.
The Greens would have usurped the throne anyway. The ending scene was confirmation for Rhaenyra that Alicent and the Greens do not care what King Viserys wanted. This was the plan all along. She can come to terms now that she will have to fight for the throne. No more trying to make peace and come to an understanding.
Daemon seems like to be an example of self-sabotaging. Correct me if I’m wrong, English is not my mother language, maybe I misunderstood the word.
You are correct, he may be my favorite character but he clearly has a big ego, is rash and his biggest weakness is actually that he does not fear death at all, only vulnerability so he does not take time to self reflect.
Not the title 😢
It literally is too late, though...I mean, what do you want Alicent to do? Walk up to her son, the king, and go: "Whoopsie! Soooo, don't be mad. I kind of made a mistake. Could've happened to anyone, really..."
Nahh that title is crazy 😭😭💀
Lmaooo😭
Rhaenys is the biggest hypocrite in the show. She is advising Rhaenyra to still negotiate with Alicent for peace when she was the one who killed tons of smallfolk during Aegon's coronation.
Ofc
Alicent's words of Viserys decision were irrelevent from beginning. All the claims that Aegon has - Otto spoke in the 10th episode of the first season.
Rhanerya now has confirmed that her father did not throw her over in favor of Aegon, by what Alicent told her. I think this has been why she was hesitant on going into all out war. She knows now Viserys did not “waiver” at the end. Alicent misunderstood his meaning not knowing anything about the Song of Ice and Fire. But, is of no importance now, the dogs of war have been unleashed even before Viserys died. The Green Council had been planning putting Aegon in the throne anyway. So Alicent saying, “it’s too late”, is all too true. It’s past too late.
Gwayne is the guy demon tripped hos horse and smashed his face into the ground at the tpurney in season one
Rhaenys using Jaehaerys as a example of why Rhaenyra should have power is laughable since she herself did not get crown thanks to Jaehaerys and he would not choose Rhaenyra to be ruler for sure
Her personal feelings aside, she wasn't wrong about what she said. He was a great King, that ruled over the most peaceful era Westeros had ever or would ever see since the first men arrived. And he was so successful because he thought before he acted.
Interesting note, at the start where the Bracken guy said his sword is going to be good for killing Blackwoods, actually ended up being the thing that killed him. That was his sword that was sticking out of his neck T^T
It’s always the people on Team black thinking they’re progressive and then putting such a misogynistic title.
33:31 - No, there are definitely times when it is too late, and this is one of them. Aegon's son has been killed so he's all set for War now and isn't going to back down, plus the rest of the Green council have already put their stake in things. They've committed treason against Rhaenyra and will be punished if the Green's don't win and she takes the Throne since she obviously can't let them off. There's simply no going back at this point, Alicent is right on that.
Some people will talk down on Rhaenyra for not just doing what her gung ho council says to burn everything calling her weak, but she was right to at least try to find a peaceful resolution even if their ultimately was none.
As Rhaenyra said, when Dragons go to war, everything burns, their not something to use lightly and a wise leader knows to use them sparingly and she was also right the Greens would also be mindful of how they use their dragons too.
Also it has to be pointed out your vastly overestimating Alicents influence and what she can really do, like say she tries to tell the Greens it was a misunderstanding on her part, what would that actually do? Would they actually listen to her and drop everything no? Obviously not. Plus theirs the big factor that Otto and the other Green members were already plotting to put Aegon on the Throne as was made clear after Viserys death, whether Alicent supported or not, the coup to put Aegon on the Throne was going to happen and things would likely have still gone this way. Perhaps it might have been possible at an earlier point, but at this point in time, theirs no going back on the War.
That title is outrageous.
It’s not hard to understand that the twin that said “Forgive me my queen” was the twin that chose Rhaynera. He killed himself because he killed his own brother and could not live with that. I FUCK WITH YOU GUYS, but that was SIMPLE to understand!!!
A lot of people are saying we don't understand that Alicent had no say ultimately, that Otto and the small council had plotted to put Aegon on the throne no matter what, and Alicent has tried to keep Rhaenyra alive since. I do understand that; Rhaenys has made it known to Rhaenyra that the men will do what they want, that she is no more responsible for Jaehaerys' death than Alicent is for Lucerys' and hotter heads prevail basically. But I think what people, myself included, wanted to see was some acknowledgement from Alicent that she made a terrible mistake and some attempt to even TRY to use her influence for good. She might try in a later episode but to hear that revelation and just be like 'oh no, nevermind nothing can be done' is insane to me.
What do you want her to say? "oh well nvm im so sorry lets go talk to aemon about my mistake?" this is only ep 3, now she knows the truth and it will change everything for her but she cannot change the outcome of the war, she has no power.
It's more than too late...she's right~!
the first scene the 2 houses are the same ones that wanted Rynera's hand and one of them killed the other in season 1 if you remember
Still haven’t seen the video of hawk tuah I just know it’s a woman. But it strikes me as something for the masses like hive mind comedy
It’s Actually A Man In The Hawk Tuah Video, Hope This Clears Things Up
@@fabian5813 so why is the lady famous?
@@Sam_Martyn What Lady? I Thought You Hadn’t Seen It?
Ha Caught You In A Lie
@@fabian5813 I’ve not seen the video but o know the woman is plastered everywhere, I literally said I knew about the lady in my original comment keep reaching lol
@@fabian5813 don’t become a lawyer mate
If you call Alicent your grace because she was married to the King then Daemon is a your grace because he is married to the Queen.
It was sir Eric because he called Rhaenera your grace, sir Arric wouldn’t have called her that because Aegon is his grace.
I think, at the end, Arryk switched sides out of remorse for killing his brother and anger that the Greens forced him into doing that.
@@mjbull5156 No, it was Erryk. Arryk wouldn't have changed his mind because Aegon is actually the true king.
Notes re Harrenhall: Harrenhall is haunted (the bats that flew out en masse reflect the Lady who lived there who bathed in virgin blood to remain young) Harrenhall is known to JUDGE anyone who enters. Daemon sees a weirwood as he approaches Harrenhall. when he first enters, there are weirwood roots growing into the foot of the crumbling walls, and the woman in the Council Room is Alys Rivers who is the bastard child reportedlly of Lionel strong and a commoner (perhaps woods witch). Alys is the one who tells him he will die there.
25:41 I don't think it's a matter of luck. Moving without being seen was his plan from the beginning, there were woods nearby because he moved through the woods
i think not going after Christan Cole will be a big mistake. She should have unleashed the dragons and burned the whole forest down.
Aemond's actor is cut af tho, I hope they gave that man a cheeseburger after filming
33:33
It's actually too late
She has no control over his sons. What's she gonna do? Who's gonna say oh sorry, you misunderstood, let's give the crown to Rhaenyra? Impossible
the whole Erryk & Arryk fight scene in the last episode ... they actually tell you before Erryk killed himself If you remember Arryk was above him talking to him about him leaving him and choosing the other side He mentions from S1 e9 how Erryk left him etc so that actually confirms it .. i didn't actually pick this up till later after watching so many other reactions I think Arryk was over top of him and said something along the lines of " You left me Brother ....ETC..... "