when alicent is at the council table and the camera is on her heavy breathing and staring at her son. 2 things. I thought it was her realizing that her youngest purposefully hurt his brother to get the crown. Second. it reminded me of al pachino in godfather just before he shoots the cop. the acting was all in his eyes in the godfather, and the same here.
The actress portraying Alys Rivers delivers an outstanding performance, skillfully embodying the character with depth and nuance. Her ability to match Matt Smith’s on-screen presence is particularly impressive, showcasing her talent and elevating their scenes together. Her portrayal of the mysterious, magical, and eerie witch is captivating, making her a breakout star and a standout in the series.
Theory? Yes. She's a presence in the Wierwoods that wargs different women in the castle buy presents herself to Daemon consistently the same way because of what she's dosing him with, so he sees her _as she truly is._ I only just came up with this and I'm likely wrong.
I want that too but we may get it in S3 if the characters are pushed in another direction. At the moment, I feel both still want to proceed cautiously. The only way I can see either of them scheming is if both sides remain standing after the war. I've not read the books but if Rhaenyra sits the throne, Daemon will push her to end the Green's line completely. Rhaenyra may be forced to become more ruthless and Alicent would be pushed to "make moves" out of survival. If the Greens win and Rhaenyra survives, whether she escapes or they agree to some kind of truce, she would be in the position of survival also. This is the only situation where I think you could have that kind of scheming because at the moment, both women are proceeding with war but with a heavy heart. Rhaenyra has also not shown herself to be very tactical this season and isn't as decisive as Daemon. Both women have definitely been "ineffectual" as you say. I'm really hoping S3 will be better...
Don't worry Rhaenyra and Alicent will certainly have a lot to rival about in the last episode. As cheesy as it sounds I actually wouldn't mind seeing a full on cat fight between the two.
I dont feel like its really gonna be like that though. Rhaenyra finds out when she went to King’s Landing that Alicent didn’t know about the Song of Ice and Fire. So both of them know from that point that this war shouldn’t happen even though its too late. I feel its more likely that the season will be comparing the two and how they suffer the same losses as mothers. But I’m not sure
When Vhagar lit Aegon the conqueror's funeral pyre, he was holding Blackfyre, the sword was just a little darker when Maegor went to retrieve it. It would make sense that valyrian steel armor would also survive dragon fire.
yea but in the books she was still a entertaining character that was involved and wanted revenge for what happened to her kids while in the show they just make her still want peace with the enemy and letting the greens gain strength while she sneaks into kingslanding.
@@fabiolaliano8620 True... Rhaenyra has not done much in the book. Show Rhaenyra has done a lot more than she suppose to and it's working so far. Book Alicent hasn't done much either. Show Alicent made her much more sympathetic than she really is compare to the book. This episode is very much about the children. The actors who portrayed Jace, Bella, Rhaena, Aemond has done the most in this episode where as Rhaenyra and Alicent felt powerless and held back.
@@etc8217Not really bro. After Luke’s death she thinks about ending the war then and there. Book Rhaenyra is still stuck in 2x01 crying and sobbing over luke. It isn’t until the dragon seeds and Jaces death where she picks herself back up. It’s essentially what we see next week.
We need more Lannister horse lore! Did Lan the Clever disguise himself as a pony to trick the Casterly's out of the home?? Maybe Gerion Lannister didn't get lost Valerya and he's somewhere in Essos running free as the steed of mighty Dothraki Khal.
They say in the trailer that taming a dragon is like a death sentence if it fails. What children of nobles would risk their life to test the theory that half-targaryans can tame dragons? I think all the nobles will decline and the only ones willing will be the bastards. So something like promising Targaryan recognition will go more of a long way as incentive for a bastard, than a noble with prestige and money already.
I can’t wait what they decide to do with Helanea - in the book she’s bat shit mad but right now in the show she’s detached and spacey, will she continue to be the dragon dreamer that isn’t listened to a la Greek Oracle will she be used as a stepping stone pawn for Amond?
The Dragonseeds tied back to when Viserys said "The idea of only true Targaryen controls dragons is just an illusion." Jace was right about Valyrian history being written to glorified House Targaryen as the only dragonlords when in fact the Valyrian bloodline also runs within other houses/bastards. The Targaryen's incestual nature is part of gatekeeping controls of the dragons as only legitimize Targaryen's princes/princess are given dragon's eggs to place in their cradles, allowing them to learned and bond or claim dragons. Rhaenyra was also right about this plan being a mad thought because if other houses can also have dragons, the illusion of Targaryen being special and closer to gods would be gone. Therefore, the idea that only true Targaryen can sit the Iron Throne also lost in time.
Rhaenyra is SO boring. It felt like she was crying in every scene for months. I literally couldn't care less about her or any of her allies at this point
What annoys me is that they keep pushing this prophecy thing to move the plot, like in the book it’s very clear for every accounts that the main reason why the dance begin is power and greed. Daemon too bro they turn him into spoiled brat where in fact that he’s a best strategist of the blacks. Also rhaenys in books it’s lot more sense to her to stay to fight bcs she’s a stubborn like a Baratheon and experience dragon rider like targeryan and she never back down and why jace need to convince the frey where in fact daemon already negotiating the riverlands ?
@@blurpledragon2779 Wouldn’t change much, you’d just get two extra episodes of Daemon tripping in Harrenhal instead. In all fairness he only arrived in episode 3. Now it’s episode 6. He doesn’t leave until the fall of Kingslanding in the book. He is needed to build an army, at least they’re giving him some character development.
I don't mind character work as long as it is moving the plot. Alicent's reaction to *suprise Pikachu face* being shot down by the misogynistic small council she helped raise was great character work, which will shape her going forward. In other places, its not enough character work: I'd love to hear a complete conversation between Aemond and Haelana in the throne room. Or way too much: Rhaynera wringing her hands episode on end and Daemon taking one too many micro doses on a trip that is completely butchering his character if not resolved. My biggest problem: they've done their setup beautifully. We obviously need some slower scenes, but I'd thought we'd cover a lot more ground. Like a battle every other episode. I do not know how they could feasibly afford to shove all the action in two seasons. They need to tighten up their pacing so we aren't getting slapped in the face so often with action on season 3 and 4, that it stops holding impact. I'm very happy not to be Ryan Condel for the next five years.
Im curious to see what they do with daemon and nettles relationship considering if they give rhaena nettles story what will happen with her and daemon?
There's that bit in the novel that some said Nettles might not be Daemon's lover, but rather his bastard daughter. Putting Rhaena into Nettles storyline might just show how Daemon reconnect with his daughter and may even be redeemed as a character...we don't know.
i think the show is suffering from the fact that they got reduced from 10 episodes to 8 episodes so they can’t properly flesh out certain storylines and give certain characters more screen time. However it’s also boxed in at the same time because the book has certain characters doing things that kind of keep them doing a certain thing so they can’t flesh them out more than just there
If they do 10 episodes per season at this point in the story, there won't be enough materials for the show to make 4 seasons. I did not like the idea of 8 episodes per season either at first but the storyline involving Daemon and Alys Rivers, particularly the supernatural elements at Harrenhal, is both intriguing and well-executed. As a reader of the books, I find the portrayal of Alys Rivers by the actress to be exceptional. Her ability to hold her own alongside Matt Smith is impressive, and her performance effectively conveys the character's mysterious presence is as mysterious as her motivations and ambitions within the story. This nuanced portrayal adds depth to the character, enhancing the overall narrative of the show.
i think the point is that she is not doing anything because she was literally not taught to be able to do anything cause her father was too busy dying to teach her anything about how to rule and no one has been to war especially her so how is she gonna know how to do anything
She was taught how to rule in times of peace. She was not trained for war, which is why she needs Daemon and she had to give him some authority, instead she is too busy worrying that he doesn’t accept her as Queen.
@@aileenpi73what how is worrying about if the guy right next to you is loyal or not not important? Your also leaving out the part were Damon ruined any chance for peace with his assassination attempt.
Funny how people are surprised by Rhaenyra’s idleness … She does a lot more one screen than described in the book. They changed or invented some storyline to fulfill some blank narrative for her in the original story.
I’m a bit annoyed as someone who watches fan discussions, because we’ve constantly been told “okay this is gonna kick it off it’s gonna be nothin but crazy now cuz once shit goes down, it goes DOWN.” and this whole season has felt like people dragging their fucking feet. It’s honestly losin me here. I like the character moments but a lot of them are not done very well in this show. They’ve missed their chance to address the killing of small folk with Rhaenys’ death, like they didn’t even parade the head of Meleys around as the killer of small folk at Aegons coronation. So much is being left “ambiguous” it just feels like the writers are starting to use it as an excuse to not have to write more. I’m losing faith in this show when I needed to be gaining it after GoT and HotD season 1. They really need to tighten up season 3. There’s way too much in season 2 that’s starting to look like seasons 7&8.
I agree. loved S1 and that was built up as we're going to war this season and yet it feels like we're not in a war at all sometimes. It's not even the battles themselves. The season feels lethargic, lacking momentum, like the strategy and battle planning lacks urgency. The character development with Daemon feels repetitive. Maybe it's good for book readers but as a non book reader it feels like a lot of exposition/ filler. And I have no problem with a lot of talking but it's just not as dynamic as S1. I'm really hoping this changes in S3.
@@Stephie_L right?! I thought that ending shot of Rhaenyra finding out about Luke meant WAR!!! And book readers were basically saying the same thing, now we’re more than halfway done with the season and we’ve seen one battle. It’s a let down to say the least!
Daemon has always taken L. The dude got disinherited 1st episode then 3rd episode he barely won a war he was loosing for 3 years, got kicked out of the vale, couldn’t marry Rhaenyra until another 10 years n in season 2 the man can even build n army while the greens took over the crown lands n have killed 2 dragons
There are filming 4 seasons.The title of this video is odd. How much do you think they can possibly fit in a 60 minute episode? They cover one character, people want them to cover another character. How are we able to go over these major events without annoying some one? The last half of the season is obviously tied into focusing on Rhaenyra more. Theyve been setting it up from a mile away.
Daemon flirting and courting Rhaenyra is not really an issue in the universe of the story, where their family marries brothers with sisters. It’s gross to us.
This episode was brutally bad. So many throw away scenes that will have no impact on the story. The season was already shortened to 8 episodes, it was disappointing for them to completely waste one of them.
I 100% agree. When I look back at it I could've done without a lot of the Daemon scenes especially the visions. Instead of exposition just show us a montage of the atrocities done in the Riverlands. Also Daemon's screentime could have been used to show us an actual conversation between Aemond and Heleana, I'd have preferred the final scene be in the middle and the actual investigation into dragon riders be in the back end of this episode. I also would've preferred a Rhaenyra vs Corlys scene instead of the one with Baela even though it made sense for them to interact. The weakest ep of the whole show for me personally. Every ep should be tight and dynamic (with or without battles) since we only have 8 eps, as you said.
rhaenerya is such a mary sue atm, she can do no wrong and its so boring omg and making the aemond and aegon cartoonishly evil is dumb give us interesting grey characters and interesting arcs with a good story plz
i don't think id go so far as to say Mary Sue (i view that as more of a character thats good at things for no reason) and instead its more like both Rhae and Allicent are being presented as morally right and good rather than the greyer, more ambiguous characters we want. But i guess that's why we all love Daemon and Aemond so much
What do you even mean? What has Rhaenyra done to make her a Mary Sue? All of her efforts to keep trying for peace and holding off have only led her situation to be worse off? Aemond isn’t comically evil, we’ve been shown his desire for power as early as he on screen pretty much, we’ve also seen his capacity for grudge holding and how he was bullied by Aegon all his life. Why would he not take the chance to seize the throne with complete plausible deniability?
I don't think Rhaenyra is Mary Sue but in term of story progression, her character is on the standstill it feels, since she's going to be making decision from Dragonstone for now. If showrunners decide to follow closely to the novel, from "bland," she's going quick into a tragic character losing her children etc. Aemond and Aegon are not cartoonish. Despite his disgusting nature (being rap1st and all that), you can see how Aegon was actually rather sensitive but he chose toxic masculinity to mask his insecurity and sensitive nature. Aemond, on the other hand, was not a happy person, he's overlooked by his parents due to him being spare no. 2 (his birth order) and guy has been bullied all his life by his own brother so not surprised he'd retaliate, plus he believes his brother is going to fuck them over in the war due to his recklessness.
Nooo, merging Nettles with Rhaena is such a bad idea. Nettles’s story is way too complicated, and full of dragonlore that we don’t see a whole lot of, to combine with Rhaena’s. And incredibly disrespectful to say: Well we made a whole family black so we don’t really need this character, who’s already canonically black, and a MASSIVE fan favorite at that. And Nettles shows that there are more ways to claim a dragon then just running up and screaming “DOHAERAS” and “SOVES” SPOILERS: Nettles also disappears in the end after separating from Daemon (And maybe is the founder of the Burned Men in the Vale), because Rhaenyra is suspicious of their betrayal. Is Rhaena going to disappear at the end? Rhaenyra going to call for Rhaena’s head? Rhaena is also the VERY LAST dragon rider when her egg (That she never gives up on, and constantly prays over) finally hatches in the Vale. She names it Morning. Yeah Rhaena doesn’t have a whole lot to do but with all the time we’ve spent seeing Alicole and Alicent just in a tub that we didn’t need. There’s a lot of inventing they could have done for Rhaena. (And Jeyne, what’s she here for if she’s just gonna be upset over the size of dragons she’s got. They’re giving Jace and Baela way more to do than in the book (still not enough in my opinion) Rhaena should be visiting all the castles in the Vale to sure their support of something. She’s a Targaryen Princess (now that her father is King consort)
Its a Good idea. Nettles story is simple.... she isnt "full of dragonlore" lol. Her story could be completely erased and the story would not be hurt by it (in show and book). Logistically and plot wise makes all the sense. Why hire another black actress for a role that an already hired actress which has nothing to do with her caracter cannot take that over?? Nettles plot is literally only meaningful because she becomes Daemon's lover. That part can easily be substituted with Mysaria or some other random woman. Even an extra. The point of it is that Rhaenyra knows her husband is actively cheating on her and that drives her mad. "MASSIVE FAN favourite" speak for youraself because I don like this character and its a tom bombadil's like CC in the book. Nettles has Dragonrider blood, she is a distant bastard of the Targaryens or a dragonlord of old. Its canon, confirm by GRR Martin and the published lore books (Encyclopedia of Westeros etc) that you need to have dragonblood to bond a dragon. So in her case, she does have to have it 100% in not such a distant past, even if she doesnt look valyria (just as Jacaerys or Lucerys dont look Valyrian, or even Jon Snow). Her mother was a prostitute, that indicates her lineage. Rhaena's hole point its just hatching Morning... which is such a small thing to do for a cast-payed character that its senseless not to give her Nettles part. A lot of people cry about this Nettles disappearance. Its not that bad AT ALL, it's a very logical and wise move. You just dont agree because you like that annoying character in the book and you try to find excuses of why she is important when she isnt.
IS ALYS RIVERS REALLY THERE?
when alicent is at the council table and the camera is on her heavy breathing and staring at her son. 2 things. I thought it was her realizing that her youngest purposefully hurt his brother to get the crown. Second. it reminded me of al pachino in godfather just before he shoots the cop. the acting was all in his eyes in the godfather, and the same here.
The actress portraying Alys Rivers delivers an outstanding performance, skillfully embodying the character with depth and nuance. Her ability to match Matt Smith’s on-screen presence is particularly impressive, showcasing her talent and elevating their scenes together. Her portrayal of the mysterious, magical, and eerie witch is captivating, making her a breakout star and a standout in the series.
Theory? Yes. She's a presence in the Wierwoods that wargs different women in the castle buy presents herself to Daemon consistently the same way because of what she's dosing him with, so he sees her _as she truly is._ I only just came up with this and I'm likely wrong.
I'm a bit worried Alicent is just gonna spend every episode having panic attacks as everyone she knows keeps dying around her
We have enough faith in the writers that we think they'll do SOMETHING interesting
I can relate to her when she gets those
Doesn’t she go mad in the book
Comment from the future: If only she had...
They marketed this season as Alicent vs Rhaenyra, but both of them have been ineffectual wet blankets. I want to see them scheming and making moves.
I want that too but we may get it in S3 if the characters are pushed in another direction. At the moment, I feel both still want to proceed cautiously. The only way I can see either of them scheming is if both sides remain standing after the war. I've not read the books but if Rhaenyra sits the throne, Daemon will push her to end the Green's line completely. Rhaenyra may be forced to become more ruthless and Alicent would be pushed to "make moves" out of survival. If the Greens win and Rhaenyra survives, whether she escapes or they agree to some kind of truce, she would be in the position of survival also. This is the only situation where I think you could have that kind of scheming because at the moment, both women are proceeding with war but with a heavy heart. Rhaenyra has also not shown herself to be very tactical this season and isn't as decisive as Daemon. Both women have definitely been "ineffectual" as you say. I'm really hoping S3 will be better...
Don't worry Rhaenyra and Alicent will certainly have a lot to rival about in the last episode. As cheesy as it sounds I actually wouldn't mind seeing a full on cat fight between the two.
I dont feel like its really gonna be like that though. Rhaenyra finds out when she went to King’s Landing that Alicent didn’t know about the Song of Ice and Fire. So both of them know from that point that this war shouldn’t happen even though its too late. I feel its more likely that the season will be comparing the two and how they suffer the same losses as mothers. But I’m not sure
What are you talking about the promotion is green vs black.
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord with the two of them as the heads of either side
When Vhagar lit Aegon the conqueror's funeral pyre, he was holding Blackfyre, the sword was just a little darker when Maegor went to retrieve it. It would make sense that valyrian steel armor would also survive dragon fire.
Valyrian steel is forged in dragon flame.
to be fair, rhaenyra also kinda does nothing during this phase of the war in the book as well
yea but in the books she was still a entertaining character that was involved and wanted revenge for what happened to her kids while in the show they just make her still want peace with the enemy and letting the greens gain strength while she sneaks into kingslanding.
@@etc8217 not during the section this season covers she isn’t
@@fabiolaliano8620 True... Rhaenyra has not done much in the book. Show Rhaenyra has done a lot more than she suppose to and it's working so far. Book Alicent hasn't done much either. Show Alicent made her much more sympathetic than she really is compare to the book. This episode is very much about the children. The actors who portrayed Jace, Bella, Rhaena, Aemond has done the most in this episode where as Rhaenyra and Alicent felt powerless and held back.
@@etc8217Not really bro. After Luke’s death she thinks about ending the war then and there.
Book Rhaenyra is still stuck in 2x01 crying and sobbing over luke. It isn’t until the dragon seeds and Jaces death where she picks herself back up. It’s essentially what we see next week.
@@etc8217your complaining over nothing she literally sent a dragon in last episode.
Rhaenyra should've already been out for blood when the 2nd season started. That amazing ending scene of S1 seems pointless now.
She did. She wants Aemond and it backfired immediately.
But Rhaenyra said the reason she officially started the war wasn't for her son but because peace negotiations went wrong.@HouseoftheWerewolf
You guys have really hit a stride recently. I'm loving all the content. Keep it up kings
We need more Lannister horse lore! Did Lan the Clever disguise himself as a pony to trick the Casterly's out of the home?? Maybe Gerion Lannister didn't get lost Valerya and he's somewhere in Essos running free as the steed of mighty Dothraki Khal.
They say in the trailer that taming a dragon is like a death sentence if it fails. What children of nobles would risk their life to test the theory that half-targaryans can tame dragons? I think all the nobles will decline and the only ones willing will be the bastards. So something like promising Targaryan recognition will go more of a long way as incentive for a bastard, than a noble with prestige and money already.
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I can’t wait what they decide to do with Helanea - in the book she’s bat shit mad but right now in the show she’s detached and spacey, will she continue to be the dragon dreamer that isn’t listened to a la Greek Oracle will she be used as a stepping stone pawn for Amond?
The Dragonseeds tied back to when Viserys said "The idea of only true Targaryen controls dragons is just an illusion." Jace was right about Valyrian history being written to glorified House Targaryen as the only dragonlords when in fact the Valyrian bloodline also runs within other houses/bastards. The Targaryen's incestual nature is part of gatekeeping controls of the dragons as only legitimize Targaryen's princes/princess are given dragon's eggs to place in their cradles, allowing them to learned and bond or claim dragons.
Rhaenyra was also right about this plan being a mad thought because if other houses can also have dragons, the illusion of Targaryen being special and closer to gods would be gone. Therefore, the idea that only true Targaryen can sit the Iron Throne also lost in time.
Rhaenyra is SO boring. It felt like she was crying in every scene for months. I literally couldn't care less about her or any of her allies at this point
For sure. They are also showing him almost incompetent, when I know many things that he got done, he did them with ease due to his reputation.
What annoys me is that they keep pushing this prophecy thing to move the plot, like in the book it’s very clear for every accounts that the main reason why the dance begin is power and greed. Daemon too bro they turn him into spoiled brat where in fact that he’s a best strategist of the blacks. Also rhaenys in books it’s lot more sense to her to stay to fight bcs she’s a stubborn like a Baratheon and experience dragon rider like targeryan and she never back down and why jace need to convince the frey where in fact daemon already negotiating the riverlands ?
What if everything at Harrenhaul is a dream after he drank that cup.
I'd love a 10 episode season instead of only 8
Right !!! With only 8 episodes we have Daemon tripping on shrooms in Harrenhal , UGH !!!
@@blurpledragon2779 Wouldn’t change much, you’d just get two extra episodes of Daemon tripping in Harrenhal instead.
In all fairness he only arrived in episode 3. Now it’s episode 6. He doesn’t leave until the fall of Kingslanding in the book. He is needed to build an army, at least they’re giving him some character development.
You are disgusting for spoiling. I hate you@@J_ads2000
They are trying to follow the book and during this time, Daemon is sitting in Harrenhall. What can they do?
yah i was thinking that what Rhaenyra was doing all these time except sneaking into kings landing.
I'm sure Jason Lannister is eager to meet the Bracken's. He probably has a lot of questions about their sigil.
Rhaenyra is the villian of this show, change my mind!
#teamGreen
I don't mind character work as long as it is moving the plot. Alicent's reaction to *suprise Pikachu face* being shot down by the misogynistic small council she helped raise was great character work, which will shape her going forward.
In other places, its not enough character work: I'd love to hear a complete conversation between Aemond and Haelana in the throne room. Or way too much: Rhaynera wringing her hands episode on end and Daemon taking one too many micro doses on a trip that is completely butchering his character if not resolved.
My biggest problem: they've done their setup beautifully. We obviously need some slower scenes, but I'd thought we'd cover a lot more ground. Like a battle every other episode. I do not know how they could feasibly afford to shove all the action in two seasons. They need to tighten up their pacing so we aren't getting slapped in the face so often with action on season 3 and 4, that it stops holding impact. I'm very happy not to be Ryan Condel for the next five years.
Im curious to see what they do with daemon and nettles relationship considering if they give rhaena nettles story what will happen with her and daemon?
There's that bit in the novel that some said Nettles might not be Daemon's lover, but rather his bastard daughter. Putting Rhaena into Nettles storyline might just show how Daemon reconnect with his daughter and may even be redeemed as a character...we don't know.
i think the show is suffering from the fact that they got reduced from 10 episodes to 8 episodes so they can’t properly flesh out certain storylines and give certain characters more screen time. However it’s also boxed in at the same time because the book has certain characters doing things that kind of keep them doing a certain thing so they can’t flesh them out more than just there
If they do 10 episodes per season at this point in the story, there won't be enough materials for the show to make 4 seasons. I did not like the idea of 8 episodes per season either at first but the storyline involving Daemon and Alys Rivers, particularly the supernatural elements at Harrenhal, is both intriguing and well-executed. As a reader of the books, I find the portrayal of Alys Rivers by the actress to be exceptional. Her ability to hold her own alongside Matt Smith is impressive, and her performance effectively conveys the character's mysterious presence is as mysterious as her motivations and ambitions within the story. This nuanced portrayal adds depth to the character, enhancing the overall narrative of the show.
They are stretching one book out way too much. Three seasons should be it. Two would have been better.
i think the point is that she is not doing anything because she was literally not taught to be able to do anything cause her father was too busy dying to teach her anything about how to rule and no one has been to war especially her so how is she gonna know how to do anything
She was taught how to rule in times of peace. She was not trained for war, which is why she needs Daemon and she had to give him some authority, instead she is too busy worrying that he doesn’t accept her as Queen.
@@aileenpi73 yeah i agree but barely taught either way not as well as she could have been
@@aileenpi73what how is worrying about if the guy right next to you is loyal or not not important? Your also leaving out the part were Damon ruined any chance for peace with his assassination attempt.
i actually really liked this episode
Well during the war daemon spends a whole year at harranhall. The war was only just over 2 years overall.
Funny how people are surprised by Rhaenyra’s idleness …
She does a lot more one screen than described in the book.
They changed or invented some storyline to fulfill some blank narrative for her in the original story.
I’m a bit annoyed as someone who watches fan discussions, because we’ve constantly been told “okay this is gonna kick it off it’s gonna be nothin but crazy now cuz once shit goes down, it goes DOWN.” and this whole season has felt like people dragging their fucking feet. It’s honestly losin me here. I like the character moments but a lot of them are not done very well in this show. They’ve missed their chance to address the killing of small folk with Rhaenys’ death, like they didn’t even parade the head of Meleys around as the killer of small folk at Aegons coronation. So much is being left “ambiguous” it just feels like the writers are starting to use it as an excuse to not have to write more. I’m losing faith in this show when I needed to be gaining it after GoT and HotD season 1. They really need to tighten up season 3. There’s way too much in season 2 that’s starting to look like seasons 7&8.
I agree. loved S1 and that was built up as we're going to war this season and yet it feels like we're not in a war at all sometimes. It's not even the battles themselves. The season feels lethargic, lacking momentum, like the strategy and battle planning lacks urgency. The character development with Daemon feels repetitive. Maybe it's good for book readers but as a non book reader it feels like a lot of exposition/ filler. And I have no problem with a lot of talking but it's just not as dynamic as S1. I'm really hoping this changes in S3.
@@Stephie_L right?! I thought that ending shot of Rhaenyra finding out about Luke meant WAR!!! And book readers were basically saying the same thing, now we’re more than halfway done with the season and we’ve seen one battle. It’s a let down to say the least!
Daemon has always taken L. The dude got disinherited 1st episode then 3rd episode he barely won a war he was loosing for 3 years, got kicked out of the vale, couldn’t marry Rhaenyra until another 10 years n in season 2 the man can even build n army while the greens took over the crown lands n have killed 2 dragons
2:37 oi cross contamination spoilies
OI!
I like the theory about Aegon I.
I mean she wasn’t doing anything in the books either at this point, right?
Love the thumbnail
There are filming 4 seasons.The title of this video is odd. How much do you think they can possibly fit in a 60 minute episode? They cover one character, people want them to cover another character. How are we able to go over these major events without annoying some one? The last half of the season is obviously tied into focusing on Rhaenyra more. Theyve been setting it up from a mile away.
Agreeeed
Daemon flirting and courting Rhaenyra is not really an issue in the universe of the story, where their family marries brothers with sisters. It’s gross to us.
This episode was brutally bad. So many throw away scenes that will have no impact on the story. The season was already shortened to 8 episodes, it was disappointing for them to completely waste one of them.
I 100% agree. When I look back at it I could've done without a lot of the Daemon scenes especially the visions. Instead of exposition just show us a montage of the atrocities done in the Riverlands. Also Daemon's screentime could have been used to show us an actual conversation between Aemond and Heleana, I'd have preferred the final scene be in the middle and the actual investigation into dragon riders be in the back end of this episode. I also would've preferred a Rhaenyra vs Corlys scene instead of the one with Baela even though it made sense for them to interact. The weakest ep of the whole show for me personally. Every ep should be tight and dynamic (with or without battles) since we only have 8 eps, as you said.
You are spot on
What a dumb thing to say lol that's factually incorrect.
rhaenerya is such a mary sue atm, she can do no wrong and its so boring omg
and making the aemond and aegon cartoonishly evil is dumb
give us interesting grey characters and interesting arcs with a good story plz
i don't think id go so far as to say Mary Sue (i view that as more of a character thats good at things for no reason) and instead its more like both Rhae and Allicent are being presented as morally right and good rather than the greyer, more ambiguous characters we want. But i guess that's why we all love Daemon and Aemond so much
What do you even mean? What has Rhaenyra done to make her a Mary Sue? All of her efforts to keep trying for peace and holding off have only led her situation to be worse off? Aemond isn’t comically evil, we’ve been shown his desire for power as early as he on screen pretty much, we’ve also seen his capacity for grudge holding and how he was bullied by Aegon all his life. Why would he not take the chance to seize the throne with complete plausible deniability?
I don't think Rhaenyra is Mary Sue but in term of story progression, her character is on the standstill it feels, since she's going to be making decision from Dragonstone for now. If showrunners decide to follow closely to the novel, from "bland," she's going quick into a tragic character losing her children etc. Aemond and Aegon are not cartoonish. Despite his disgusting nature (being rap1st and all that), you can see how Aegon was actually rather sensitive but he chose toxic masculinity to mask his insecurity and sensitive nature. Aemond, on the other hand, was not a happy person, he's overlooked by his parents due to him being spare no. 2 (his birth order) and guy has been bullied all his life by his own brother so not surprised he'd retaliate, plus he believes his brother is going to fuck them over in the war due to his recklessness.
Your pretty smoothed brained your watching the wrong show my guy.
Nooo, merging Nettles with Rhaena is such a bad idea. Nettles’s story is way too complicated, and full of dragonlore that we don’t see a whole lot of, to combine with Rhaena’s. And incredibly disrespectful to say: Well we made a whole family black so we don’t really need this character, who’s already canonically black, and a MASSIVE fan favorite at that. And Nettles shows that there are more ways to claim a dragon then just running up and screaming “DOHAERAS” and “SOVES”
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Nettles also disappears in the end after separating from Daemon (And maybe is the founder of the Burned Men in the Vale), because Rhaenyra is suspicious of their betrayal. Is Rhaena going to disappear at the end? Rhaenyra going to call for Rhaena’s head? Rhaena is also the VERY LAST dragon rider when her egg (That she never gives up on, and constantly prays over) finally hatches in the Vale. She names it Morning. Yeah Rhaena doesn’t have a whole lot to do but with all the time we’ve spent seeing Alicole and Alicent just in a tub that we didn’t need. There’s a lot of inventing they could have done for Rhaena. (And Jeyne, what’s she here for if she’s just gonna be upset over the size of dragons she’s got. They’re giving Jace and Baela way more to do than in the book (still not enough in my opinion) Rhaena should be visiting all the castles in the Vale to sure their support of something. She’s a Targaryen Princess (now that her father is King consort)
Its a Good idea. Nettles story is simple.... she isnt "full of dragonlore" lol. Her story could be completely erased and the story would not be hurt by it (in show and book). Logistically and plot wise makes all the sense. Why hire another black actress for a role that an already hired actress which has nothing to do with her caracter cannot take that over?? Nettles plot is literally only meaningful because she becomes Daemon's lover. That part can easily be substituted with Mysaria or some other random woman. Even an extra. The point of it is that Rhaenyra knows her husband is actively cheating on her and that drives her mad. "MASSIVE FAN favourite" speak for youraself because I don like this character and its a tom bombadil's like CC in the book.
Nettles has Dragonrider blood, she is a distant bastard of the Targaryens or a dragonlord of old. Its canon, confirm by GRR Martin and the published lore books (Encyclopedia of Westeros etc) that you need to have dragonblood to bond a dragon. So in her case, she does have to have it 100% in not such a distant past, even if she doesnt look valyria (just as Jacaerys or Lucerys dont look Valyrian, or even Jon Snow). Her mother was a prostitute, that indicates her lineage.
Rhaena's hole point its just hatching Morning... which is such a small thing to do for a cast-payed character that its senseless not to give her Nettles part. A lot of people cry about this Nettles disappearance. Its not that bad AT ALL, it's a very logical and wise move. You just dont agree because you like that annoying character in the book and you try to find excuses of why she is important when she isnt.
Don't impose your modern metrosexual moralizing onto common medieval beliefs. Hail King Aegon, Second of His Name.
Have those guys red the books? Alicent and Rhaenyra are doing absolutely nothing during this période of the dance. Blame it on fire and blood
Dameon is not the main character.
Well she didn't do anything in the book either. 🤷🤷