Don't listen to the people who said the "witchy woman" was real. We have no idea, the source material is incredibly vague. The book is a history book full of speculation from characters, and it's written that Daemon was not affected by her, which the show shows us was not true. Keep your theories.
Man Walder Frey really did ruin his family's reputation, even a hundred and seventy years before the Red Wedding people are still like "no Jace, don't trust them!"
The worse thing is that Walder Frey is one of the worst... the lord during the Dance was a Chad called Forrest Frey and his wife was a badass warrior woman
The worst for me was the fact that they are again negotiating permission for the Starks to cross the river, and what could go wrong with that deal... Lol, we have been traumatized, haven't we?
@@the_archmaester Honestly... I was looking forward to seeing Chad Frey and his badass warrior wife. To see people root for the Frey’s. I’m not a big fan of making them turn them into grubby, little, schemers even though I like Team Black. Forrest and Sabitha were supposed to be some of the first Riverlords that declared for Rhaenyra and never tried to get Harrenhal for it.
Jace locked up the Vale and the North support. He now seems to have locked up the Freys and their army, including the choke point of the Twins. At the end of the episode, he had the idea for new dragon riders. Jace is killing it while Daemon is hallucinating at Harrenhall.
except the majority of the Northern army is sititing out the entire war and leaving all the Blacks to die to save their own skins. the Arryns are pissed off and BARELY allies at all. and the Freys demanded a castle that's not even close to theirs and plan to steal it from another ally, Simon Strong, for no good reason. and rhaenyra's just magically ok with betraying simon for no reason
@@Flexorcist3030 Chat GPT: "Mommy" is the preferred spelling in American English, while "mummy" is used in British English. Both terms mean "mother," but "mummy" can also refer to a preserved dead body, especially from ancient Egypt. The context usually clarifies which meaning is intended.
Rhaenys had a Baratheon mother not father. Her father was Aemon, the firstborn son of King Jaehaerys - that's why she's considered the Queen Who Never Was.
Not only that, but Vhagar was Baelon's dragon (Daemon and Viserys father), and Maelys was Alyssa's dragon (Daemon and Viserys mother). The two of them were so entwined for so many years.
the juxtaposition of the kids born out of love (or at least willing consent) and raised by parents who got along and got to grow up vs those born of duty and from a child is so interesting. Baela, Rhaena and Jace are so well adjusted, they have been raised to understand their positions and have seen their respective mother figures rule in some capacity, which allowed them the opportunity to see the bureaucratic side of being a ruler and are thus more prepared for each mission (being Rhaenyra's emissary to Corlys and being able to get Jace to slow down enough to think of another plan other than rush to Daemon and potentially aggravate him for Baela, to Rhaena switching tactics going from trying to strong-arm Lady Jayne to acquiescing and relating with an "I mislike feeling helpless too" to Jace rerouting and finding another way for Rhaenyra's army to get through without Daemon AND coming up with the idea of finding other Targs to ride dragons) While Aegon and Aemond are still seeking approval and acknowledgement of their value in different ways and in different people and thus don't place much stock in each other and familial bonds because they never got it from a mother who herself wasn't supported as a child then forced to have kids with a man she probably grew up around and a father who was slowly decaying and also didn't gaf about anyone who wasn't his pride and joy Rhaenyra. So they strong-arm or try to buy approval or say they'd rather be feared than not be acknowledged at all while they are volatile and aren't all that good at diplomacy or even compromise
They may not be aware or forget that Walder Frey had other Frey's that were against his actions and the Frey's were fighting amongst each other, many people hated him including his kin. These Frey's are several generations before all that.
Yeah show-watchers always look down on them for being villains, forgetting that they are the strongest house in the Riverlands with greater lands and ability to raise larger armies than House Tully, who only possess more power due to their position and alliances.
@@kurtrivero368…but they didn’t ask for the details. There are plenty of forums to discuss the books w/o spoiling everyone else. As someone who read HP, LOTR, and many other book series before their series came out, I must say that ASOIAF readers are by FAR the most insufferable when it comes to spoiling things constantly unprompted.
@@Wraiven22it wasn't this bad during the main series. Also, not a book but The Last of Us game players are worse. I have no interest in watching season 2 now.
Aegon’s mommy line is just heartbreaking. The writers are really doing a good job on making this character have more depth and complexity. On one point, you can feel bad for how he was raised and only wanting his mother’s love and validation, but on the other hand, he’s also done horrible things that are completely unforgivable. Personally, I am starting to feel bad for Aegon because if he was loved by his parents from the start, he would have definitely turned out better than what he is now. But instead he is just a victim and pawn of his mother and grandfather’s blind ambitions. And their selfish desires cost him his son and nearly his life.
Imagine if he had the kind of parenting Vicerys and Rhaenera give, Rhaenera isn't perfect but pretty great and her children seem very kind, honorable and intelligent, we all know what else but I don't want to say it 😂 I don't understand why Vicerys didn't raise Aegon with the same love he did Rhaenera 🤔
@@joly457 He loved Viserys but then stopped because Rhaenyra did not like it that she was not the only child and he gave him more attention so he stopped
@@joly457And why didn’t he see early on that Alicent was Not the mother his first wife was. She was more interested in playing “Queen”. Although she probably just tried following in her only parent’s footsteps.
@@Noone91875 fair enough😅I know the showrunners are limited by the source material they have, but for me it would be more logical to target Aemond, he is their true enemy, not Vhagar. If Mysaria can cook up a riot in King's Landing surely she could try to assassinate Aemond, it's not like Aemond's sleeping in Vhagar's saddle.
@@AndreasOla-ib6sz mysaria have control among smallfolk and goldcloaks. Not in the red keep. Remember all of mysaria's people in the red keep were killed by larys as he mentioned in ep 1.
There are 6 unclaimed Dragons. Seasmoke, Vermithor, Silverwing who have all had previous riders. Sheepstealer, Grey Ghost and the Cannibal are wild and have never been tamed. Sheepstealer attacks shepherds and carries off sheep and goats, like Drogon did in Season 5. Grey Ghost is elusive, preferring to shy away from humans and their works, eating mostly fish. The Cannibal is known to attack younger dragons and eat their corpses and eggs. In terms of size and strength: Tier 1: Vhagar Tier 2: Vermithor, Silverwing, Dreamfyre, The Cannibal. Tier 3: Caraxes, Meleys (RIP), Syrax, Seasmoke, Sheepstealer. Tier 4: Sunfyre (RIP), Moondancer, Grey Ghost, Vermax, Arrax (RIP), Tyraxes, Stormcloud, Tessarion. There are younger dragons and numerous eggs.
Showing the head of a dragon destroys the myth that the Targaryen's and their dragons are invincible. They are idiotically undoing everything the Old King did to create the concept of 'Targaryen exceptionalism'.
Everyone wants to be King, but Jace actually proves true kingship. Out of everyone, he has been the most successful at actually gaining alliances through diplomacy. He got the greybeards from Cregan Stark in the North, he got safety and support from Jeyne Arryn in the Vale, and now he's secured the crossing at the Twins from the Freys. He might be young and wants to fight, but he is also not so rash as to not understand the importance of diplomacy that even many adults do not seem to grasp. He would actually one day make a great king.
Cant believe Rheanyra sent baby dragons to the Vale and acted like that was worth 15000 men. If they were to be attacked, that gift isn't gifting any additional protection.
This episode showed how daemon and rhaenyra just need each other. They balance each other out. She needs daemon on her council as a war strategist and he need’s rhaenyra to be more thoughtful in winning people over
Now remember everyone that Daemon had no idea that was his mother, he doesn't know what she looked like, he doesn't remember her as she died when he was 3, its all Alys fucking with his head, even he looked disgusted.
And she was a cool dragon rider who took both of her sons riding on her dragon, who was Meleys. She then died in childbirth with her third child. Viserys definitely had some memories of her, as there was that scene last year when he was saying that Daemon was her favorite child.
that also gives an explanation as to why alyssa in the vision doesn’t have her blonde hair, heterochromia, or her crooked nose. alys is projecting the typical targaryen look with silver hair because she doesn’t know what alyssa looked like, and this makes sense why daemon wasn’t able to register that this was meant to be his mother.
The storyline involving Daemon and Alys Rivers, particularly the supernatural elements at Harrenhal, is both intriguing and well-executed. As a reader of the books, I find the portrayal of Alys Rivers by the actress to be exceptional. Her ability to hold her own alongside Matt Smith is impressive, and her performance effectively conveys the character's mysterious motivations and ambitions. This nuanced portrayal adds depth to the character, enhancing the overall narrative of the show.
IT is horrible since Viserys and Daemons mother Alyssa died when Daemon was only 3yrs old and he doesn't even know what his mother looked like. SO Alys could just have made a plain looking Targaryen since Alyssa was known for having two different coloured eyes and more golden silver hair not just plain silver.
@@DarthKay093 most of the Targaryens and Velaryons are known for purple eyes lol. Eye and hair colour does not matter in this show, it does not follow the books. Rhaenys has dark Baratheon hair in the books.
The way Baela told Corlys "I wonder if they knew it was all for her." I teared up omg😭😭 Lord Corlys and his 9 voyages were all to get Rhaenys's attention
Baelas speech to Corlys was so beautiful! I cried too. Her pointing out all the work the women in the Velaryon family have done through the generations, dying honourably in their own way. Showing Corlys how his sexist actions are pathetic, and that if he really cares for the women in his life (which I believe he did/does) then he should honour them too, rather than just think of them like possessions. I think she really got through to him. Loved it
Even though it's a bit frustrating I really like the story with Daemon and Rhaenyra. We see how they need eachother through their actions and the continued parallels. How Daemons weakness is 'Nyras strength (and viceversa). She's a good diplomat and sovereign but not a soldier,, and Daemon's the opposite. He's good at taking action but sucks at everything else - just in this episode he asked the blackwoods to commit warcrimes and has now backfired (just like with Jaehaerys). Later you even see the same shot of them hovering over the fireplace facing their diffculties. They both are powerful people who's strength and weakness differ and complement one another. Together they make a "power couple" which is the point. Imagine how much easier it would be for Rhaenyra at her council if she had someone with brutal strength like Daemon at her side. She wouldn't dare to be questioned. How easier it would be for Daemon to have someone with a great mind - trained to be a successor, a queen to negotiate,, 'cause no one respects a tyrant (as they said in the end of this episode). Or when 'Nyra said she needed to learn every lord's name (we even saw her commenting on the conflict in 1x6) whereas daemon couldnt even tell the difference between bracken and blackwoods. Ultimately, this arc shows us the invisible string between them and how they essentially need to kiss and make up lol, to put it short. The paralleling is a good way to develop their relationship, more specifically the power dynamic between them - forcing them understand the value of one another power wise, not just romantically/personally. Even Alys plays a part in this. All she's ever done is undermine 'nyras claim with the dreams and convos she's had with Daemon making him question Rhaenyra. This arc is daemon and rhaenyra realising the other persons worth - even though it's not your way. Because if they worked 2gether from the start as THE powercouple the greens would not benefit as much as they have. They would be a force to be reckoned with, which is one of the many reasons they got married. "we were made to burn together".
I absolutely loved the music at the end when they spoke about getting new recruits to claim the dragons. An amazing soundtrack to introduce the dragonseeds😍😍
It's wild as a book reader I never thought in a million years that Aegon II would be my favorite in this story over Daemon. Tom has been killing it so far, and with the material that's going to be adapted in the future I can easily see him staying at #1 in the series. Aegon II is the war's biggest victim and villain
Targaryens went around having bastards of their own, just like Robert. There are people with Targaryen blood, but no name or inheritance because their mother was lowborn.
don’t give up on your theory that Alys is not really present physically yet. if you watch her scenes again, you’ll see that no one else interacts with her. even when she first appears in the hall, the stongs don’t acknowledge her and what was she doing there in the first place. also: in this episode when the castellan strong appears to see her, i think it was more like him looking to see what daemon is looking at (like when they were at the table and were first introduced to william blackwood and daemon’s deceased wife appears to him). he’s sitting there like “what is going on with daemon? he’s bugging out.” (it wouldn’t surprise me if the castellan, having lived at harrenhal for years, has seen some strange shit like this before). finally (and for me, most telling): when the castellan walks up to inform daemon of the bracken’s submission, not only is she not acknowledged by him, alys literally disappears from the scene all together.
She did once and she did put Rhaenys in danger ,do not get existed she will stop at nothing to get her throne you will see next episode she is not saint
Alicent in a nutshell after the small council vote >> “I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party”
@@wcbranitly0692 She spent her entire life supporting the status quo and propping up the patriarchy and is now being tossed aside by the same system she was loyal to.
Even if the guy with the sick daughter and the other brother of Viserys and Daemon are potential dragon riders, I wonder how they will be able to leave Kings landing since they closed the gates.
That last scene with Rhanerya breaking the 4th wall and looking straight through the camera gave me instant chills❤❤❤ Her : It's a mad thought. Me immediately: Yes it is my Queen. Yes it is. ❤
Just a reminder, King's Landing is out of food because of Rhaenyra and Corlys' blockade. It is mentioned a couple times even though the show puts blame on Aegon
The show and the common viewers will blame it all to Aegon and they will say for his stupidity, he gave orders for example to pay the Smithers and the green council didnt move a fucking finger to execute that order but again the common fans will blame Aegon and the show blames him, He went to help his army and brother and make it a 2v1 against rhaenys and his brother betrayed him but again the blame is of Aegon cuz he is an idiot and a terrible king, he named hand to Criston a perfect choice for war time and for the fans and the show he is an idiot coz he fired Otto hahahaha, etc. So biased this
@@user-xj3gx5tc6v Well people have started to come around on Criston being hand. They hated it but after seeing his success in battle and him grappling with the duty they don't hate him nearly as much as they did
The smallfolk will also blame the Greens for usurping Rhaenrya, leading to the blockade. And now that Aemond has barred the gates, the smallfolk will always blame those ruling over them in the moment.
@@septicshock5663 carting food over land is much slower than shipping food. Ships can hold hundreds of tons of food versus wagons that might hold less than one or two tons at most.
Criston Cole single handedly destroying the Targaryen House one dumbass decision at a time. Imagine parading the severed head of the Targaryen dragon… the symbol of their power and god status through the streets like a slain boar … showing the world that Dragons are quite mortal and killable.
And everyone knows dragons are killable. All known dragons were killed, except Balerion who died of old age. They have already witnessed Meraxes and Quicksilver dying before.
Jace gives me such Robb Stark vibes. It's good to see him making a name for himself, even if desperate at times. Aemond already long won me over as my favorite villain of either of these series.
I want the loyal doggo to get adopeted by Dyanna (girl from the tavern who is Myseria's agent in this ep.) & for them to go live a safe happy life together, please give me 1 happy ending 😭
I'm so stoked seeing this up. It's 2:41am and I'm wide awake. Plus Pudgey has me laughing hard at times. Y'all do a awesome job with all your reactions
Alice Rivers the lady at Harrenhal who is driving Damon crazy is a wood witch so it makes sense that she would hear things on the wind and how she may appear to some and not to others and why he should not eat or drink anything that woman is even around Personally, I haven’t figured out why he’s still sleeping in the Weirwood bed, considering that makes you have strange dreams cute
Well, all those people loving Daemon and cursing Cole/Alicent: how do you feel know? Not only does Daemon murder his first wife, abandons his children and is responsible for the murder of a little infant. He also orders r*ping and raving of villages, dreams about intimacy with his mom and openly betrayes his wife and Queen for selfish reasons. Who is the disgusting hypocrit now?! 🙄
Aemond was NOT going for the kill when he was walking up to Aegon.... If you look at that scene you see exactly that he is starting to put his sword away BEFORE he notices Cole...
Heard an interesting theory that only Daemon can see and speak to Alys Rivers. Whenever she speaks to him they are alone. Any other time she's silent and no one else interacts or notices her. That scene where Ser Simon approaches, she quickly left. Did Ser Simon see her, or was he wondering what Daemon was staring at? Is she all in Daemon's head or is she using some sort of glamour magic to render herself only visible to him.
I’m a book reader, so I don’t want to make any spoiler, so i just want to say you both are smart and good at guessing, but Pudgey is so good at guessing, she always let me shock with all the things she guesses cause she mostly is right! 😂❤
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When Simon strong looked back at Alys, I took that as not him seeing her, but wondering who the hell Daemon was talking to cuz there where no one there 👻
This 200 years before the Game of Thrones....This isn't Walter Frey LOL My brother had the same attitude tho, Walter really gave the audience some pts with that red wedding.
They have nerfed daemon a little this season so the others characters can moment to shine as well. Like Jace and baela, because they are the main characters for future, Like jon snow and arya stark from got. If daemon was still the same person he was in season 1, the war would have been ended by now😂😂😂😂😂
Simon Strong may have just been looking at what Daemon was looking at, wondering why Daemon is staring at nothing beside him instead of him as he approaches with the news.
About Rhaenys, I think the main issue people have with her is how she killed hundreds of innocent people last season in the dragonpit without any reason at all. That makes it really hard to call her a good and honorable person. For me at least. She only seems good and honorable because no one in the show ever calls her out for it, so viewers may forget that that massacre ever happened. I don't get why so many people are just glossing over that or even completely ignoring it. You guys didn't even mention it either in your discussion and I don't understand why not.
Mainly because the show didn't display any consequence of that incident. No one was reported to have died. Otto just mentioned that the smallfolk say it as a bad omen, but I don't remember anyone talking about the deathtoll.
It's especially annoying given how self-righteous Rhaenys is. The character is presented as a voice of reason/restraint despite the fact that she's the biggest mass murderer in the show.
Catelyn Stark sat beside Bran’s bed for weeks after he had fallen out of a tower and gone into a coma. Allicent just watched her son’s skin being peeled off with his armor and leaves him within the day
I really loved this episode (and the reation ofc!) but the way some people online are saying this is the weakest episode. Like, I personally don't think it's weak, it's just slower and more dialogue driven compared to other episodes. This was still a 5 star rating episode for me!
Pudgey is right, one of those who could become a dragon rider is the blacksmith who was carrying his daughter when they closed the city gates. He is Damon and Viseris' bastard brother, he was telling the truth when Aegon humiliated Aemon in front of everyone in the tavern. King's Landing está cheia de bastardos Targaryen, ainda há os bastardos de Lord Corlys Velaryon...The Velaryons are also from Valyria and are genuine dragon riders as well..I think so, I haven't read the books but thinking about it deeply, you can understand that. Sorry, but it's not a spoiler, just a theory in my mind.
Oh, he sees her! As she disappears as he walks past. During this watch through, I've now started to wonder what if they pair a dragon and rider and they flip sides immediately.
His mother in the books apparently died when he was around three so he does not remember her face which is probably why he could get through that dream. Still very bizarre. Lol.
The Dragonseeds tied back to when Viserys said "The idea of only true Targaryen controls dragons is just an illusion." Jace was right about Valyrian history being written to glorified House Targaryen as the only dragonlords when in fact the Valyrian bloodline also runs within other houses/bastards. The Targaryen's incestual nature is part of gatekeeping controls of the dragons as only legitimize Targaryen's princes/princess are given dragon's eggs to place in their cradles, allowing them to learned and bond or claim dragons. Rhaenyra was also right about this plan being a mad thought because if other houses can also have dragons, the illusion of Targaryen being special and closer to gods would be gone.
I think the haunting sounds that Daemon is hearing is the sounds of his war crimes behind the scenes. That’s what all the weird hallucinations have been related to
Daemon's strategy was pretty smart actually. He publicly spared the Brackens when they defied him, nobody could call him a tyrant. Than instructed Willem Blackwood, in private, to ravage their lands until they submit, but the Crown should not be seen as having part in it, so I guess he meant that Willem should act under his own banners. But Willem's not an idiot, I guess he knew how the other riverlords will react, and he probably did not trust Daemon would not throw him under the buss to win the favor of the other riverlords.
@@manvirshergill1739 that may work. I mean in one of the trailers we saw Daemon overlooking an army, so he will end up with an army somehow, though I would not be surprised if he and Willem and the Brackens would go on a bit of a Criston Cole tour in the next episode.
@24:59 Alys might be there, but I'm not so sure.. Watch how she disappears as she shambles away behind Lord Simon Strong. Simon would have heard Daemon talking, so he checks the corridor which makes him look right where Daemon sees her, but I'm not so sure she's actually there in this hallway. There's also a massive Weirwood Tree root jutting into the hallway. Lots of possibilities, either way Harrenhal forcing Daemon confront himself has been the highlight of the season for me.
this isn't a spoiler because i'm watching the show fresh without reading the books either, but i know how show foreshadowing works, so if they want to find a bloodline to ride one of the large dragons and if that is going to be a plot point, it must be a character that has appeared in the show already. That blacksmith guy in kings landing has seemingly white Valarian hair, and this episode he was just seen trying to escape kings landing.... i wonder
House Black and House Green are both starting to unravel. Rhaenyra and Alicent both angry about not having enough power to do what they want. Psycho Aemond has become a far bigger problem than Sir Criston now. And Daemon is having hallucinations in Harrenhal Castle, along with the Riverlanders wanting his blood.
Spartan and the Pudgey that was promised 🙃from what I remember watching you guys last week, Pudgey immediately looked worried after it was decided that Rhaenys would be the one to go meet Cole and Spartan got all hyped which is classic Spartan and Pudgey!
33:10 Correction : Spartan, Rhaenys had a , BARATHEON MOTHER . Her father was AEMON TARGARYEN , First Rider of CARAXES, ELDEST SON of King Jaehaerys Targaryen. He was the Heir to the Iron throne , After his Untimely death , His younger brother BAELON "The Brave" , Rider of VHAGAR , father of VISERYS & DAEMON was Made Heir to the throne , Passing over Rhaenys who was daughter of Aemon.
Guys you have seen Dreamfyre before in season 1 remember when young Aemond snuck into the caves of the dragonpit and saw a massive massive dragon who spewed fire at him yeah that was dreamfyre and yes she is massive she is like in between Meleys and Caraxes size
Spartan should cosplay as Alicent Hightower for every HOTD reaction. Full wardrobe, wig, makeup, etc. She was incredibly and astonishingly wrong about which Aegon the King was speaking about, which caused this whole mess. Alicent and Spartan are kindred spirits when it comes to being wrong.
I just caught the duck/goose metaphor from last season (Rhaenyra/Laenor talking about sexual preferences) being reused to refer to Daemon's sexualized vision of his mother. So the guy passing the goose is, perhaps, gay. At least, that's the inside joke. I'm not a book reader, and I HATE when book readers spoil things, as they always seem to. That said: Remember, we just met Daemon and Viserys's half-brother, Ulf. And it seems more than apparent that the two young Black men, the one who saved Corlys, and his brother who we saw staring up at a dragon in the sky, are Corlys's sons by another women. So my prediction is those three will join as dragon riders. Surely not Alicent's son - he would (will?) ride for Team Green. Heleana has a dragon, too. Hard to imagine, but all the dragons must die, so they all must ride. So she shall ride, too.
I think Damon's and Viserys' bastard brother is (1). The Smithy with the sick daughter could be (2) look at his hair, Corlys' bastard son Adam (Lenore's dragon intrigued him on the beach while he was searching for crabs), and Seasmoke needs a new rider so he would be (3). This way his Brother Alyn can be the heir of Driftmark because he has always been on the ships - Alyn is Salt and Sea. He saved Corlys from drowning. Not to mention anyone else who could be around. I think they just need to have Valeryion blood to ride a dragon.
Rhaenys is definitely honorable for the time period. Keep in mind that this is a point in time where it's seen as reasonable to sacrifice some civilian lives in order to defends ones claim and rights. Rhaenyra is uniquely progressive for this time period with her hesitancy to go to war.
20:15 Unlike Rheanyra they have to fight for forgiveness from people who will never give it. they are both stuck with eachother thinking they are entitled to their ends as they seek forgiveness and loath Rheanyra for not having to do the same
@@danielleeskelton yeah, and yet he doesn't look very Targaryen, whereas the Blacksmith Hugh looks QUITE targaryen. Very interesting, I love this development its gonna be very fresh, and you're right Daemons reaction to that claim would be hilarious
So I’ve been pondering on this (I haven’t read the book) and I think I’ve figured out what Daemon is doing with regard to the Blackwoods and Brackens. First point of business; Daemon is an evil man, plain and simple. He’s an enjoyable character, and quite cunning, but the way he goes about everything is always evil and villainous. Nothing I say here will change that particular opinion of him. Daemon tells Willem Blackwood he needs people who are willing to die before they resign their beliefs; Ie he wants people he needs to convince to join him, not people who will give up easily, because those people can be persuaded to change sides at a whim…. He’s telling this to Willem who has already basically surrendered to him, without fighting or death. He then suggests that the Blackwoods go and do what they want to do to the Brackens, until the Brackens give up. Subsequently even though the Bracken leaders surrender (under duress), their smallfolk refuse to raise the Targaryan banners. This looks bad for Daemon, but hear me out…. I think that things are playing out exactly to his plan. Now he will summon the Blackwoods to court, and put them on trial. He’ll blame the Blackwoods for the Brackens’ suffering, claiming he didn’t give them the orders or authority to do what they’ve done to the Brackens and that they did it under his banner anyway, and therefore they are traitors. He’ll put Willem and whatever other Blackwood leaders are with him to death by dragon fire. Whoever rises up to lead the Blackwoods will now respect Daemon (As they were already following leaders who had sworn to follow him), while the Brackens will also begin respecting and following him willingly after they see him bring their tormenters to justice. Once this is all over, the Blackwoods and Brackens will be a united force leading the Riverlands as a single host behind Daemon.
No dragons killing each other thus episode but great set up for what’s to come! I am excited for next episode! I can’t believe we are only 3 more episodes until we have to wait another 2 years 😢 At least we will get Dunk & Egg
First reaction couple that I’ve seen for their predictions right (fan of the book, not gonna spoil anything) but I’m glad yall caught something that’ll be coming
Bless you guys… you actually think someone wins this war. In Game of Thrones…. The Targaryens were essentially extinct with no dragons… that alone tells you the outcome of this war.
Everyone wants to be King!
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Don't listen to the people who said the "witchy woman" was real. We have no idea, the source material is incredibly vague. The book is a history book full of speculation from characters, and it's written that Daemon was not affected by her, which the show shows us was not true. Keep your theories.
The office could not believe Pudgey wasn't cry laughing at the end of the last episode... pudgey are you getting more used to the game of thrones????
guys, don't forget, that Aegon was r@ping every girl he could get his hands on...
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Man Walder Frey really did ruin his family's reputation, even a hundred and seventy years before the Red Wedding people are still like "no Jace, don't trust them!"
The worse thing is that Walder Frey is one of the worst... the lord during the Dance was a Chad called Forrest Frey and his wife was a badass warrior woman
The worst for me was the fact that they are again negotiating permission for the Starks to cross the river, and what could go wrong with that deal... Lol, we have been traumatized, haven't we?
@keltavuokko Every time the Starks march south they need to cross the Twins. Every time.
@@the_archmaester Yes...? Doesn't lessen the effect for me.
@@the_archmaester Honestly... I was looking forward to seeing Chad Frey and his badass warrior wife. To see people root for the Frey’s. I’m not a big fan of making them turn them into grubby, little, schemers even though I like Team Black. Forrest and Sabitha were supposed to be some of the first Riverlords that declared for Rhaenyra and never tried to get Harrenhal for it.
Jace locked up the Vale and the North support. He now seems to have locked up the Freys and their army, including the choke point of the Twins. At the end of the episode, he had the idea for new dragon riders. Jace is killing it while Daemon is hallucinating at Harrenhall.
Stepping up to the plate.
except the majority of the Northern army is sititing out the entire war and leaving all the Blacks to die to save their own skins. the Arryns are pissed off and BARELY allies at all. and the Freys demanded a castle that's not even close to theirs and plan to steal it from another ally, Simon Strong, for no good reason. and rhaenyra's just magically ok with betraying simon for no reason
he is a boss 🔥🔥
Aegon's "Mummy" broke me 🥲
Same
He just wanted to be loved and liked and respected.
He didn't want the throne or any of this.
@@s1lm4r1l6I have great sympathy for Aegon, despite my Black heart, but he is likely a rapist and at least willingly watched child blood sport.
Bro i laughed at the spelling. He does look like a mummy tbf
@@Flexorcist3030
Chat GPT: "Mommy" is the preferred spelling in American English, while "mummy" is used in British English. Both terms mean "mother," but "mummy" can also refer to a preserved dead body, especially from ancient Egypt. The context usually clarifies which meaning is intended.
Rhaenys had a Baratheon mother not father. Her father was Aemon, the firstborn son of King Jaehaerys - that's why she's considered the Queen Who Never Was.
Another sad thing is Vhagar's rider prior to Aemond was Rhaenys' daughter.
Sad to think Melyes and Vhagar shared a den for years with a mother and daughter that love to dragon ride
Not only that, but Vhagar was Baelon's dragon (Daemon and Viserys father), and Maelys was Alyssa's dragon (Daemon and Viserys mother). The two of them were so entwined for so many years.
@@bobydean1839vhagar has literally zero loyalty
@@teri5585 it's a dragon
@@teri5585 Idk, I'd say Vhagar has extreme loyalty to its rider, so much so that it's previous relationships mean nothing.
the juxtaposition of the kids born out of love (or at least willing consent) and raised by parents who got along and got to grow up vs those born of duty and from a child is so interesting. Baela, Rhaena and Jace are so well adjusted, they have been raised to understand their positions and have seen their respective mother figures rule in some capacity, which allowed them the opportunity to see the bureaucratic side of being a ruler and are thus more prepared for each mission (being Rhaenyra's emissary to Corlys and being able to get Jace to slow down enough to think of another plan other than rush to Daemon and potentially aggravate him for Baela, to Rhaena switching tactics going from trying to strong-arm Lady Jayne to acquiescing and relating with an "I mislike feeling helpless too" to Jace rerouting and finding another way for Rhaenyra's army to get through without Daemon AND coming up with the idea of finding other Targs to ride dragons)
While Aegon and Aemond are still seeking approval and acknowledgement of their value in different ways and in different people and thus don't place much stock in each other and familial bonds because they never got it from a mother who herself wasn't supported as a child then forced to have kids with a man she probably grew up around and a father who was slowly decaying and also didn't gaf about anyone who wasn't his pride and joy Rhaenyra. So they strong-arm or try to buy approval or say they'd rather be feared than not be acknowledged at all while they are volatile and aren't all that good at diplomacy or even compromise
21:42 I don't agree with you saying they Freys looking dirty and weak, they actually look powerful here
Red Wedding clouded their mind.
They are also rich the twins is the only land crossing between the Riverland and the north they control all trade
They may not be aware or forget that Walder Frey had other Frey's that were against his actions and the Frey's were fighting amongst each other, many people hated him including his kin. These Frey's are several generations before all that.
Yeah show-watchers always look down on them for being villains, forgetting that they are the strongest house in the Riverlands with greater lands and ability to raise larger armies than House Tully, who only possess more power due to their position and alliances.
Criston wasn’t knocked out until after Aemond burned Aegon out of the sky. He seen exactly what Aemond did.
Daemon was 3 when his mother died, that's why he didn't know it was her.
Alys is a witch, she's 100+ years old too.
400yrs old according to the actress
Imagine a world where we can just find this out organically in the show? What a world that would be.
@@superkoopatrooper4879Imagine a world where the book is available to read if you are so inclined to learn the details.
@@kurtrivero368…but they didn’t ask for the details. There are plenty of forums to discuss the books w/o spoiling everyone else. As someone who read HP, LOTR, and many other book series before their series came out, I must say that ASOIAF readers are by FAR the most insufferable when it comes to spoiling things constantly unprompted.
@@Wraiven22it wasn't this bad during the main series. Also, not a book but The Last of Us game players are worse. I have no interest in watching season 2 now.
Aegon’s mommy line is just heartbreaking. The writers are really doing a good job on making this character have more depth and complexity. On one point, you can feel bad for how he was raised and only wanting his mother’s love and validation, but on the other hand, he’s also done horrible things that are completely unforgivable.
Personally, I am starting to feel bad for Aegon because if he was loved by his parents from the start, he would have definitely turned out better than what he is now. But instead he is just a victim and pawn of his mother and grandfather’s blind ambitions. And their selfish desires cost him his son and nearly his life.
Imagine if he had the kind of parenting Vicerys and Rhaenera give, Rhaenera isn't perfect but pretty great and her children seem very kind, honorable and intelligent, we all know what else but I don't want to say it 😂
I don't understand why Vicerys didn't raise Aegon with the same love he did Rhaenera 🤔
@@joly457 Probably because his own health and duties were already weighing him down. Even with Rhaenyra the road was rocky, and that was in his prime.
He had so much potential, but his parents completely screwed him up.
To be honest I think Alicent screwed up all her children.
@@joly457 He loved Viserys but then stopped because Rhaenyra did not like it that she was not the only child and he gave him more attention so he stopped
@@joly457And why didn’t he see early on that Alicent was Not the mother his first wife was. She was more interested in playing “Queen”. Although she probably just tried following in her only parent’s footsteps.
Jace's strategy of putting people they barely know in control of dragons that are bigger than their own is as much desperate as smart.
I mean it's better than death and defeat.
@@Noone91875 fair enough😅I know the showrunners are limited by the source material they have, but for me it would be more logical to target Aemond, he is their true enemy, not Vhagar. If Mysaria can cook up a riot in King's Landing surely she could try to assassinate Aemond, it's not like Aemond's sleeping in Vhagar's saddle.
@@AndreasOla-ib6sz mysaria have control among smallfolk and goldcloaks. Not in the red keep. Remember all of mysaria's people in the red keep were killed by larys as he mentioned in ep 1.
@@Noone91875 true.
@@Noone91875 Id actually argue the Dragonseeding ended up worse for them in the very long run. Wont go into it further because of spoilers
There are 6 unclaimed Dragons. Seasmoke, Vermithor, Silverwing who have all had previous riders. Sheepstealer, Grey Ghost and the Cannibal are wild and have never been tamed.
Sheepstealer attacks shepherds and carries off sheep and goats, like Drogon did in Season 5. Grey Ghost is elusive, preferring to shy away from humans and their works, eating mostly fish. The Cannibal is known to attack younger dragons and eat their corpses and eggs.
In terms of size and strength:
Tier 1: Vhagar
Tier 2: Vermithor, Silverwing, Dreamfyre, The Cannibal.
Tier 3: Caraxes, Meleys (RIP), Syrax, Seasmoke, Sheepstealer.
Tier 4: Sunfyre (RIP), Moondancer, Grey Ghost, Vermax, Arrax (RIP), Tyraxes, Stormcloud, Tessarion.
There are younger dragons and numerous eggs.
Daemon: "There are things that the crown itself cannot be seen to do..."
Blackwoods: *raising a Targaryen banner* LEEEROY JENKINSSSSS!!!!
Showing the head of a dragon destroys the myth that the Targaryen's and their dragons are invincible. They are idiotically undoing everything the Old King did to create the concept of 'Targaryen exceptionalism'.
I truly appreciate you blurring those scenes with Aegon, I usually eat while watching your videos and I did not need to rewatch that part xD
Everyone wants to be King, but Jace actually proves true kingship. Out of everyone, he has been the most successful at actually gaining alliances through diplomacy. He got the greybeards from Cregan Stark in the North, he got safety and support from Jeyne Arryn in the Vale, and now he's secured the crossing at the Twins from the Freys. He might be young and wants to fight, but he is also not so rash as to not understand the importance of diplomacy that even many adults do not seem to grasp. He would actually one day make a great king.
that is true. if I had to pick one person from all the characters to be king/queen right now, Jace would have to lead the list.
And he actually got the frey armies. Which is pretty decent force.
Yeah him and Baela are killing it, truly a King and Queen that would be loved and respected.
Fire&Blood❤
A very "strong" king some might say..
Cant believe Rheanyra sent baby dragons to the Vale and acted like that was worth 15000 men. If they were to be attacked, that gift isn't gifting any additional protection.
This episode showed how daemon and rhaenyra just need each other. They balance each other out. She needs daemon on her council as a war strategist and he need’s rhaenyra to be more thoughtful in winning people over
Now remember everyone that Daemon had no idea that was his mother, he doesn't know what she looked like, he doesn't remember her as she died when he was 3, its all Alys fucking with his head, even he looked disgusted.
And she was a cool dragon rider who took both of her sons riding on her dragon, who was Meleys. She then died in childbirth with her third child. Viserys definitely had some memories of her, as there was that scene last year when he was saying that Daemon was her favorite child.
that also gives an explanation as to why alyssa in the vision doesn’t have her blonde hair, heterochromia, or her crooked nose. alys is projecting the typical targaryen look with silver hair because she doesn’t know what alyssa looked like, and this makes sense why daemon wasn’t able to register that this was meant to be his mother.
The storyline involving Daemon and Alys Rivers, particularly the supernatural elements at Harrenhal, is both intriguing and well-executed. As a reader of the books, I find the portrayal of Alys Rivers by the actress to be exceptional. Her ability to hold her own alongside Matt Smith is impressive, and her performance effectively conveys the character's mysterious motivations and ambitions. This nuanced portrayal adds depth to the character, enhancing the overall narrative of the show.
I'm just happy no one promised hand in marriage to the Freys
IT is horrible since Viserys and Daemons mother Alyssa died when Daemon was only 3yrs old and he doesn't even know what his mother looked like. SO Alys could just have made a plain looking Targaryen since Alyssa was known for having two different coloured eyes and more golden silver hair not just plain silver.
Eye color doesn't matter in the show.
@@okdude8215 Alyssa was known for having it that is the difference. That is why I don't even think that woman was the true image of Alyssa
@@DarthKay093 and Targaryens are known to have purple eyes yet none have them.
@@DarthKay093 most of the Targaryens and Velaryons are known for purple eyes lol. Eye and hair colour does not matter in this show, it does not follow the books. Rhaenys has dark Baratheon hair in the books.
The way Baela told Corlys "I wonder if they knew it was all for her."
I teared up omg😭😭 Lord Corlys and his 9 voyages were all to get Rhaenys's attention
Dude singlehandedly became richer than the Lannisters just to impress Rhaenys.
Baelas speech to Corlys was so beautiful! I cried too.
Her pointing out all the work the women in the Velaryon family have done through the generations, dying honourably in their own way.
Showing Corlys how his sexist actions are pathetic, and that if he really cares for the women in his life (which I believe he did/does) then he should honour them too, rather than just think of them like possessions.
I think she really got through to him. Loved it
The conversation that Baela had with Corlys was beautiful one of the best scenes in HOTD Rhaenys's was worth those voyages
Westeros’ Gatsby
According to the show.
Vermithor was the conciliator’s dragon he will be a force to reckon with if he gets claimed as he’s over 100 years old.
Yes
Even though it's a bit frustrating I really like the story with Daemon and Rhaenyra. We see how they need eachother through their actions and the continued parallels. How Daemons weakness is 'Nyras strength (and viceversa). She's a good diplomat and sovereign but not a soldier,, and Daemon's the opposite. He's good at taking action but sucks at everything else - just in this episode he asked the blackwoods to commit warcrimes and has now backfired (just like with Jaehaerys). Later you even see the same shot of them hovering over the fireplace facing their diffculties. They both are powerful people who's strength and weakness differ and complement one another. Together they make a "power couple" which is the point. Imagine how much easier it would be for Rhaenyra at her council if she had someone with brutal strength like Daemon at her side. She wouldn't dare to be questioned. How easier it would be for Daemon to have someone with a great mind - trained to be a successor, a queen to negotiate,, 'cause no one respects a tyrant (as they said in the end of this episode). Or when 'Nyra said she needed to learn every lord's name (we even saw her commenting on the conflict in 1x6) whereas daemon couldnt even tell the difference between bracken and blackwoods. Ultimately, this arc shows us the invisible string between them and how they essentially need to kiss and make up lol, to put it short. The paralleling is a good way to develop their relationship, more specifically the power dynamic between them - forcing them understand the value of one another power wise, not just romantically/personally. Even Alys plays a part in this. All she's ever done is undermine 'nyras claim with the dreams and convos she's had with Daemon making him question Rhaenyra. This arc is daemon and rhaenyra realising the other persons worth - even though it's not your way. Because if they worked 2gether from the start as THE powercouple the greens would not benefit as much as they have. They would be a force to be reckoned with, which is one of the many reasons they got married. "we were made to burn together".
I absolutely loved the music at the end when they spoke about getting new recruits to claim the dragons. An amazing soundtrack to introduce the dragonseeds😍😍
It's wild as a book reader I never thought in a million years that Aegon II would be my favorite in this story over Daemon. Tom has been killing it so far, and with the material that's going to be adapted in the future I can easily see him staying at #1 in the series. Aegon II is the war's biggest victim and villain
Targaryens went around having bastards of their own, just like Robert. There are people with Targaryen blood, but no name or inheritance because their mother was lowborn.
"Whooo wants to be king?!?!" Ragnar -Vikings Definitely needs to be on the channels list of shows to react to later on.
I think he’s seen it. She hasn’t
That's a badass scene
i’m bad with names so i just call Black haired lady “Evil Drew Barrymore”😅
I say 'Scottish Witch' if we are on about the same lady
LOL I call her Ramsey w long hair
@@MG-jv7pe I see that.😆
@@MG-jv7pe especially when she gave Daemon that smile, like I can't unsee Ramsey now lol
Pudgey, you look awesome with glasses!
don’t give up on your theory that Alys is not really present physically yet. if you watch her scenes again, you’ll see that no one else interacts with her. even when she first appears in the hall, the stongs don’t acknowledge her and what was she doing there in the first place. also: in this episode when the castellan strong appears to see her, i think it was more like him looking to see what daemon is looking at (like when they were at the table and were first introduced to william blackwood and daemon’s deceased wife appears to him). he’s sitting there like “what is going on with daemon? he’s bugging out.” (it wouldn’t surprise me if the castellan, having lived at harrenhal for years, has seen some strange shit like this before).
finally (and for me, most telling): when the castellan walks up to inform daemon of the bracken’s submission, not only is she not acknowledged by him, alys literally disappears from the scene all together.
It's like when you re-watch The Sixth Sense, you realize no one interacts with Bruce Willis's character except the boy who can see ghosts.
Yessss she disappears suddenly!!
I really LOVED how Rhaenyra won't put Rhaena's life in danger because of her need for dragon riders!
She did once and she did put Rhaenys in danger ,do not get existed she will stop at nothing to get her throne you will see next episode she is not saint
@@queenxx1690 rhena clearly tried to claim one of her own will and rhenys volunteered to fight stop trying to act like rhenyrea is cerci.
@@thatoneblackdude3333right , like we clearly know what side they are rooting for
That is why She is Rhaenyra not Alicent😂
She is kind & love her families
Like Cat had said in game of thrones, the Freys have never failed in their whole history to exact their "toll" when anyone wanted to cross.
Alicent in a nutshell after the small council vote >> “I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party”
😅😅😅😅
I don't get it.
@@wcbranitly0692 She spent her entire life supporting the status quo and propping up the patriarchy and is now being tossed aside by the same system she was loyal to.
Even if the guy with the sick daughter and the other brother of Viserys and Daemon are potential dragon riders, I wonder how they will be able to leave Kings landing since they closed the gates.
That last scene with Rhanerya breaking the 4th wall and looking straight through the camera gave me instant chills❤❤❤
Her : It's a mad thought.
Me immediately: Yes it is my Queen. Yes it is.
❤
Liza was Tully not Aryn, she was jsut married to Aryn
Just a reminder, King's Landing is out of food because of Rhaenyra and Corlys' blockade. It is mentioned a couple times even though the show puts blame on Aegon
The show and the common viewers will blame it all to Aegon and they will say for his stupidity, he gave orders for example to pay the Smithers and the green council didnt move a fucking finger to execute that order but again the common fans will blame Aegon and the show blames him, He went to help his army and brother and make it a 2v1 against rhaenys and his brother betrayed him but again the blame is of Aegon cuz he is an idiot and a terrible king, he named hand to Criston a perfect choice for war time and for the fans and the show he is an idiot coz he fired Otto hahahaha, etc. So biased this
@@user-xj3gx5tc6v Well people have started to come around on Criston being hand. They hated it but after seeing his success in battle and him grappling with the duty they don't hate him nearly as much as they did
The smallfolk will also blame the Greens for usurping Rhaenrya, leading to the blockade. And now that Aemond has barred the gates, the smallfolk will always blame those ruling over them in the moment.
King's Landing being out of food doesn't even make sense. They still get food from the Reach and the Stormlands where the Black's have 0 control
@@septicshock5663 carting food over land is much slower than shipping food. Ships can hold hundreds of tons of food versus wagons that might hold less than one or two tons at most.
Criston Cole single handedly destroying the Targaryen House one dumbass decision at a time.
Imagine parading the severed head of the Targaryen dragon… the symbol of their power and god status through the streets like a slain boar … showing the world that Dragons are quite mortal and killable.
And everyone knows dragons are killable. All known dragons were killed, except Balerion who died of old age. They have already witnessed Meraxes and Quicksilver dying before.
you best believe that stray puppers is going to ride silverwing
Everybody on the green side are terrified of Aemond, aside from heleana. Alicent, cole, kingsguard & other green soldiers are scared of Aemond.
The smallfolk starving because of Rhaenyra's blockade, it's not Aegon's fault.
The worst he did during his reign is murdered like 10 ratcatchers.
100
There would be no blockade if there was no coup. So it is Aegons fault though indirectly
@@rajon94 the coup isnt aegons fault either. Aegon did not want to be king, his family forced him to.
@damianxavier7343 That's very true. Doesn't change the optics though. The coup was done in his name. He is the figurehead of the greens.
It is his fault lol.. they’re starving because he won’t get off her throne
Jace gives me such Robb Stark vibes. It's good to see him making a name for himself, even if desperate at times.
Aemond already long won me over as my favorite villain of either of these series.
I want the loyal doggo to get adopeted by Dyanna (girl from the tavern who is Myseria's agent in this ep.) & for them to go live a safe happy life together, please give me 1 happy ending 😭
I'm so stoked seeing this up. It's 2:41am and I'm wide awake. Plus Pudgey has me laughing hard at times. Y'all do a awesome job with all your reactions
He didn’t get knocked out until after Aemond did that he knows what happened.
Jace is the MVP !! Hands down he set up acces tot rivenlands throught the freys and gave Rhaynera the idea of Targaryen’s through out Westeros
Alice Rivers the lady at Harrenhal who is driving Damon crazy is a wood witch so it makes sense that she would hear things on the wind and how she may appear to some and not to others and why he should not eat or drink anything that woman is even around Personally, I haven’t figured out why he’s still sleeping in the Weirwood bed, considering that makes you have strange dreams cute
Well, all those people loving Daemon and cursing Cole/Alicent: how do you feel know?
Not only does Daemon murder his first wife, abandons his children and is responsible for the murder of a little infant. He also orders r*ping and raving of villages, dreams about intimacy with his mom and openly betrayes his wife and Queen for selfish reasons. Who is the disgusting hypocrit now?! 🙄
Back then the Frays were a honourable house it was Walder that messed everything up for the family name and it ended when Arya killed him.
You guys missed the best part “ you fear a dragon miles away , when mines stands right outside these walls⁉️” 🔥🔥🔥
Aegon will get his getback.. hopefully.
Anakin Skywalker will come back stronger
He got the karma he deserves. He SA'd the young maids in the Keep. He deserved more retribution tbh.
Why are you rooting for the villain?
@@thatoneblackdude3333 why do you care? gomd
@@bloodraven6581 cause it's pretty tone death given that your name is related to rhenyrea not aegon 2
Aemond was NOT going for the kill when he was walking up to Aegon.... If you look at that scene you see exactly that he is starting to put his sword away BEFORE he notices Cole...
Heard an interesting theory that only Daemon can see and speak to Alys Rivers. Whenever she speaks to him they are alone. Any other time she's silent and no one else interacts or notices her. That scene where Ser Simon approaches, she quickly left. Did Ser Simon see her, or was he wondering what Daemon was staring at?
Is she all in Daemon's head or is she using some sort of glamour magic to render herself only visible to him.
I’m a book reader, so I don’t want to make any spoiler, so i just want to say you both are smart and good at guessing, but Pudgey is so good at guessing, she always let me shock with all the things she guesses cause she mostly is right! 😂❤
When Simon strong looked back at Alys, I took that as not him seeing her, but wondering who the hell Daemon was talking to cuz there where no one there 👻
Loved this episode, lots of setting up for the rest of the season, nice to see Jace and Baela getting a bit more time too.
This 200 years before the Game of Thrones....This isn't Walter Frey LOL My brother had the same attitude tho, Walter really gave the audience some pts with that red wedding.
Daemon is my favourite TB character but his storyline this season is really lacking for me. I find Jace and Baela more enjoyable at the moment
They have nerfed daemon a little this season so the others characters can moment to shine as well.
Like Jace and baela, because they are the main characters for future,
Like jon snow and arya stark from got.
If daemon was still the same person he was in season 1, the war would have been ended by now😂😂😂😂😂
@BaljitSingh-ub2jz I hope Daemon comes back full strength by the end of the end of this season.
yeah they are trying to change daemons character to much this season. jace and baela have been carrying team black all season
Simon Strong may have just been looking at what Daemon was looking at, wondering why Daemon is staring at nothing beside him instead of him as he approaches with the news.
About Rhaenys, I think the main issue people have with her is how she killed hundreds of innocent people last season in the dragonpit without any reason at all. That makes it really hard to call her a good and honorable person. For me at least. She only seems good and honorable because no one in the show ever calls her out for it, so viewers may forget that that massacre ever happened.
I don't get why so many people are just glossing over that or even completely ignoring it. You guys didn't even mention it either in your discussion and I don't understand why not.
I think people just blocked it out of their minds as some fan fiction scene that didn't count because it was such a terrible scene.
Mainly because the show didn't display any consequence of that incident. No one was reported to have died. Otto just mentioned that the smallfolk say it as a bad omen, but I don't remember anyone talking about the deathtoll.
It's disgusting hypocrisy. People don't hold themselves accountable to thinking morally; they just follow who the show tells them to follow.
It's especially annoying given how self-righteous Rhaenys is. The character is presented as a voice of reason/restraint despite the fact that she's the biggest mass murderer in the show.
Cuz it was nonsense stupid invented non book scene for the sake of cool unexpected moment from the showrunner,yes it's not counted
33:20 Daeron is a targaryen, he just sent to oldtown.
Catelyn Stark sat beside Bran’s bed for weeks after he had fallen out of a tower and gone into a coma. Allicent just watched her son’s skin being peeled off with his armor and leaves him within the day
I really loved this episode (and the reation ofc!) but the way some people online are saying this is the weakest episode. Like, I personally don't think it's weak, it's just slower and more dialogue driven compared to other episodes. This was still a 5 star rating episode for me!
I think people just want more action, after the last episode. I don't, but I can see why other's want that.
@@danielleeskelton I also think so yeah!!
Me too!!
Pudgey is right, one of those who could become a dragon rider is the blacksmith who was carrying his daughter when they closed the city gates. He is Damon and Viseris' bastard brother, he was telling the truth when Aegon humiliated Aemon in front of everyone in the tavern. King's Landing está cheia de bastardos Targaryen, ainda há os bastardos de Lord Corlys Velaryon...The Velaryons are also from Valyria and are genuine dragon riders as well..I think so, I haven't read the books but thinking about it deeply, you can understand that. Sorry, but it's not a spoiler, just a theory in my mind.
Cole saw what happened to Aegon. He was riding to him when Vhagar fell and knocked him out.
What is all this talk about Rhaenys being honourable? She probably has the most civilian blood on her hands in this show so far.
Oh, he sees her! As she disappears as he walks past. During this watch through, I've now started to wonder what if they pair a dragon and rider and they flip sides immediately.
His mother in the books apparently died when he was around three so he does not remember her face which is probably why he could get through that dream. Still very bizarre. Lol.
The Dragonseeds tied back to when Viserys said "The idea of only true Targaryen controls dragons is just an illusion." Jace was right about Valyrian history being written to glorified House Targaryen as the only dragonlords when in fact the Valyrian bloodline also runs within other houses/bastards. The Targaryen's incestual nature is part of gatekeeping controls of the dragons as only legitimize Targaryen's princes/princess are given dragon's eggs to place in their cradles, allowing them to learned and bond or claim dragons.
Rhaenyra was also right about this plan being a mad thought because if other houses can also have dragons, the illusion of Targaryen being special and closer to gods would be gone.
I think the haunting sounds that Daemon is hearing is the sounds of his war crimes behind the scenes. That’s what all the weird hallucinations have been related to
Daemon's strategy was pretty smart actually. He publicly spared the Brackens when they defied him, nobody could call him a tyrant. Than instructed Willem Blackwood, in private, to ravage their lands until they submit, but the Crown should not be seen as having part in it, so I guess he meant that Willem should act under his own banners. But Willem's not an idiot, I guess he knew how the other riverlords will react, and he probably did not trust Daemon would not throw him under the buss to win the favor of the other riverlords.
I'm thinking Daemon is going to behead Willem Blackwood in the next episode, basically giving his own "King's justice" to try and win the riverlords.
@@manvirshergill1739 that may work. I mean in one of the trailers we saw Daemon overlooking an army, so he will end up with an army somehow, though I would not be surprised if he and Willem and the Brackens would go on a bit of a Criston Cole tour in the next episode.
@24:59 Alys might be there, but I'm not so sure.. Watch how she disappears as she shambles away behind Lord Simon Strong. Simon would have heard Daemon talking, so he checks the corridor which makes him look right where Daemon sees her, but I'm not so sure she's actually there in this hallway. There's also a massive Weirwood Tree root jutting into the hallway.
Lots of possibilities, either way Harrenhal forcing Daemon confront himself has been the highlight of the season for me.
this isn't a spoiler because i'm watching the show fresh without reading the books either, but i know how show foreshadowing works, so if they want to find a bloodline to ride one of the large dragons and if that is going to be a plot point, it must be a character that has appeared in the show already. That blacksmith guy in kings landing has seemingly white Valarian hair, and this episode he was just seen trying to escape kings landing.... i wonder
House Black and House Green are both starting to unravel. Rhaenyra and Alicent both angry about not having enough power to do what they want. Psycho Aemond has become a far bigger problem than Sir Criston now. And Daemon is having hallucinations in Harrenhal Castle, along with the Riverlanders wanting his blood.
Spartan and the Pudgey that was promised 🙃from what I remember watching you guys last week, Pudgey immediately looked worried after it was decided that Rhaenys would be the one to go meet Cole and Spartan got all hyped which is classic Spartan and Pudgey!
Pudgey had a good idea about Daemon being paralleled with Aemond, and Daemon saying that “one-eye” would be a bad king. I like that
Halaena has dragon dreams , she knows what Aemond one-eye did
33:10 Correction : Spartan, Rhaenys had a , BARATHEON MOTHER . Her father was AEMON TARGARYEN , First Rider of CARAXES, ELDEST SON of King Jaehaerys Targaryen. He was the Heir to the Iron throne , After his Untimely death , His younger brother BAELON "The Brave" , Rider of VHAGAR , father of VISERYS & DAEMON was Made Heir to the throne , Passing over Rhaenys who was daughter of Aemon.
Get well Pudgey
wishing you speedy recovery
Guys you have seen Dreamfyre before in season 1 remember when young Aemond snuck into the caves of the dragonpit and saw a massive massive dragon who spewed fire at him yeah that was dreamfyre and yes she is massive she is like in between Meleys and Caraxes size
Harrenhal brings out the worst in people... daemon is facing his demons... he will either side with them or return by Rhaenyra's side a better man
LMAO Rhaenyra in books wanted to parade and mount vhagar and tessarion's head
Spartan should cosplay as Alicent Hightower for every HOTD reaction. Full wardrobe, wig, makeup, etc. She was incredibly and astonishingly wrong about which Aegon the King was speaking about, which caused this whole mess. Alicent and Spartan are kindred spirits when it comes to being wrong.
I just caught the duck/goose metaphor from last season (Rhaenyra/Laenor talking about sexual preferences) being reused to refer to Daemon's sexualized vision of his mother. So the guy passing the goose is, perhaps, gay. At least, that's the inside joke.
I'm not a book reader, and I HATE when book readers spoil things, as they always seem to. That said: Remember, we just met Daemon and Viserys's half-brother, Ulf. And it seems more than apparent that the two young Black men, the one who saved Corlys, and his brother who we saw staring up at a dragon in the sky, are Corlys's sons by another women. So my prediction is those three will join as dragon riders. Surely not Alicent's son - he would (will?) ride for Team Green.
Heleana has a dragon, too. Hard to imagine, but all the dragons must die, so they all must ride. So she shall ride, too.
I think Damon's and Viserys' bastard brother is (1). The Smithy with the sick daughter could be (2) look at his hair, Corlys' bastard son Adam (Lenore's dragon intrigued him on the beach while he was searching for crabs), and Seasmoke needs a new rider so he would be (3). This way his Brother Alyn can be the heir of Driftmark because he has always been on the ships - Alyn is Salt and Sea. He saved Corlys from drowning. Not to mention anyone else who could be around. I think they just need to have Valeryion blood to ride a dragon.
Rhaenys is definitely honorable for the time period. Keep in mind that this is a point in time where it's seen as reasonable to sacrifice some civilian lives in order to defends ones claim and rights. Rhaenyra is uniquely progressive for this time period with her hesitancy to go to war.
“Oh, that’s a step to far”
Nope, that’s telling the truth. Daemon is awful.
20:15 Unlike Rheanyra they have to fight for forgiveness from people who will never give it. they are both stuck with eachother thinking they are entitled to their ends as they seek forgiveness and loath Rheanyra for not having to do the same
My theory is (im not a book reader so i do not know nor do i wish to be spoiled plz friends
He's claiming to be Daemon's half brother, right? I'd love to see how Daemon would react to that.
@@danielleeskelton yeah, and yet he doesn't look very Targaryen, whereas the Blacksmith Hugh looks QUITE targaryen. Very interesting, I love this development its gonna be very fresh, and you're right Daemons reaction to that claim would be hilarious
Pudgey looks great in glasses.
So I’ve been pondering on this (I haven’t read the book) and I think I’ve figured out what Daemon is doing with regard to the Blackwoods and Brackens. First point of business; Daemon is an evil man, plain and simple. He’s an enjoyable character, and quite cunning, but the way he goes about everything is always evil and villainous. Nothing I say here will change that particular opinion of him.
Daemon tells Willem Blackwood he needs people who are willing to die before they resign their beliefs; Ie he wants people he needs to convince to join him, not people who will give up easily, because those people can be persuaded to change sides at a whim…. He’s telling this to Willem who has already basically surrendered to him, without fighting or death. He then suggests that the Blackwoods go and do what they want to do to the Brackens, until the Brackens give up. Subsequently even though the Bracken leaders surrender (under duress), their smallfolk refuse to raise the Targaryan banners. This looks bad for Daemon, but hear me out…. I think that things are playing out exactly to his plan.
Now he will summon the Blackwoods to court, and put them on trial. He’ll blame the Blackwoods for the Brackens’ suffering, claiming he didn’t give them the orders or authority to do what they’ve done to the Brackens and that they did it under his banner anyway, and therefore they are traitors. He’ll put Willem and whatever other Blackwood leaders are with him to death by dragon fire. Whoever rises up to lead the Blackwoods will now respect Daemon (As they were already following leaders who had sworn to follow him), while the Brackens will also begin respecting and following him willingly after they see him bring their tormenters to justice. Once this is all over, the Blackwoods and Brackens will be a united force leading the Riverlands as a single host behind Daemon.
Jace actually should have more authority than Daemon, being heir to Rhaenyra. But we haven't had this situation before n Westeros.
No dragons killing each other thus episode but great set up for what’s to come! I am excited for next episode! I can’t believe we are only 3 more episodes until we have to wait another 2 years 😢
At least we will get Dunk & Egg
First reaction couple that I’ve seen for their predictions right (fan of the book, not gonna spoil anything) but I’m glad yall caught something that’ll be coming
Every reactor misses that daemon ordered the blackwood leader to kill broken women and children
Whenever I'm sad, I watch your reaction to the red wedding and I feel better.
12:42 😂 what a flashback
26:38 Alyn ❤
Bless you guys… you actually think someone wins this war.
In Game of Thrones…. The Targaryens were essentially extinct with no dragons… that alone tells you the outcome of this war.