Britain's Dark History Of Racism & Brutality | The Mehdi Hasan Show
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- Опубліковано 1 тра 2022
- As the U.S. is torn apart between those who want to address the skeletons in our nation’s proverbial closet and those who want to keep them locked away, Britain is having a similar debate over its dark history of slavery and racial violence. A new book aims to set the record straight. Its author, Caroline Elkins, joins Mehdi to discuss, “Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire.”
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I didn't learn about slavery in America until I started college. One of my professors was talking about slavery in the United States. Then it came to me that my family was part of the slave story of America. I remember my father telling me as a young boy he had to drop out of school so he could help his mom to pick cotton. From a large farm located in a little town called Royston, GA.
@Anime Dumpster Fire I have!
My family was sharecroppers and i always knew my grandmothers maiden name sounded white. So people throw up excuses when the subject of reparations is brought up. How would you know whos ancestors were slaves and who came after. They know its very easy to trace.
@@darrickmalloy6909 The slave holdings morphed into the corporations we know of today----that is why both Corporate Democrats and Righties oppose Reparations, whilst "donating" to BLM....
@@darrickmalloy6909 Very good point.
If someone isn't getting any education about slavery, which caused the American Civil War, your primary school education has left a SERIOUS gap in your history curriculum. If you don't address slavery, you can't even discuss the economy of America all the way up to the Civil War. Mind-blowing.
This is why it is important to teach history entirely, the good and the bad.
Like Mehdi's history of calling non Ms cattle and homosexuals equivalent to animal abusers?
@@josm1481 Ignore the lessons of history and you repeat them and that means all history, the good and the bad.
@@davidraper5798 Mehdi hasn't learnt, other than to make sure he doesn't get caught. He's a strong defender of his religion, that views a slave trader as it's perfect example of humanity.
Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be.
@@davidraper5798 and the example of the British empire is one of enlightenment. Britain dedicated a sixth of its navy to eradicating the transatlantic slave trade. When African nations refused to give it up Britain tried to bribe them and when that failed that bombarded them.
Islamic nations were particularly stubborn to give up slavery.
@@josm1481 Which is also true. History is never as straightforward as some would have us believe.
What's often overlooked is that it was Great Britain that introduced and expanded slavery in the American colonies, and it was the British who continued to benefit rather handsomely from the TransAlantic slave trade, even after they lost the North American colonies.
Even today, many wealthy British families can trace their fortune back to their slave trading ancestors.
Who overlooks that. Most overlook the slaves were sold by black Africans . Who loved the financial benefits it brought.
Yeah, the Triangular Trade, a uniquely British evil....not.
"By the 1480s Portuguese ships were already transporting Africans for use as enslaved labourers on the sugar plantations in the Cape Verde and Madeira islands in the eastern Atlantic. Spanish conquistadors took enslaved Africans to the Caribbean after 1502, but Portuguese merchants continued to dominate the transatlantic slave trade for another century and a half, operating from their bases in the Congo-Angola area along the west coast of Africa. The Dutch became the foremost traders of enslaved people during parts of the 1600s, and in the following century English and French merchants controlled about half of the transatlantic slave trade."
@@johnnicol64 Whether the slaves were sold by people who were white, black, pink, green, etc., is irrelevant.
Just like if you receive stolen goods, it doesn't matter who stole them in the first place, you are still guilty of receiving stolen goods.
Including the windsors
@@bryanjackson8917 Look at the context of the time in which these people operated.
I attended public school in Alaska, and I learned about slavery and the atrocities of early colonialism by Europeans as early as seventh grade, maybe even a bit of exposure in elementary school.
Did I luck out in getting a good education in this nation? I was able to learn enough to know that Britain and America, among other nations, have histories built on blood and the oppression of the weak and vulnerable. That's probably the single biggest takeaway anyone should have after their history education. Anyone who can't admit that much is trying to re-write history.
White America only exists because early Europeans committed both deliberate and accidental genocide against Native Americans. It goes on and on.
That's pretty much the history of all nations. Mehdi dishonestly ignores the fact his ancestors invaded India in what many historians call the most bloody invasion in history. He cries about the Hindu backlash but ignores the fact Hindus feel it today because the Islamic invasion killed 60-200M Hindus and relegated them to 2nd class citizens in their own country.
I'm sure you'd have preferred a world where the Aztecs conquered us instead and ripped your parents' hearts out of their chests.
Well when any group travels far from an established start point trouble happens..even within Britian itself...Celts were the predominant groups,then the Romans invaded,then the Saxons,Vikings ,Norman's etc ..the worlds development is a long sad tale of isolation, movement, domination whatever colour,creed etc..
Everyone is so concerned about colour slavery when in reality many of these nations had slaves themselves....sold,traded etc maybe not in such large numbers as the UK empire...but still...Ghana ,Benin etc had empires people can't be stupid enough to think they didn't have slaves..lol the Egyptians... Sumerians also ..slavery has been with us for a long time.And unfortunately it still goes on.
As a pointer, latin america is black, native, brown and white.
And elite doing same things today, but today we all are slaves.
In Indonesia especially in Java area there are saying like this "5 year of British rule is more worst than 350 year of the Dutch" (translated to English)
Only because the British stopped you Islamists slave trading.
Fantastic piece. Thank you.
From an Islamist who calls non believers cattle etc.
Mehdi's only upset the British stop the Islamic slave trade. Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be.
Mehdi doesn't admit his ancestors invaded India in what many historians have called the most bloody invasion in human history. He just cries that the slaughter of 60-200M Hindus and their relegation to 2nd class citizens resonates today in Indian policy.
It seems that we view slavery in the context of Hollywood depictions. I'd love to see an honest economic comparison between a 19th century slave and a contemporary minimum-wage worker.
People forget America was England before it was America - The crown reinstituted slavery, not the colonists.
The reference to her previous subject, Kenya, aside, if anyone else spotted a hard fact in these nearly ten minutes of talk, please put it up here along with the minute and seconds so I can go straight to it. I come away from this virtually fact-free "interview" having learnt absolutely nothing about the British Empire, either good or bad.
It's a Mehdi deflection. He's descended from Islamic invaders to India. An invasion called by some historians the most bloody in human history.
His entire relations history is one in imperialism and colonialism.
But ... But the West is a common Islamist deflection.
The Magna Carta is even upheld in the UK
Overstated whataboutism! Not the history which was appalling but the idea we are in a comparable culture war to the US - we aren’t banning books and legislating against free speech to the same level - hope I don’t eat my words in the future!! But we also don’t refuse to acknowledge our past in the same way at least not in my community - “playing out in the streets?? Where? UK is she selling a book?
Of course she's selling a book. The unfortunate thing is that it will probably sell well to those invested in the idea that everything the British did was bad because that fits with their own agenda. The empire wasn't the pristine example of how to go about gifting the world withe wisdom and light, some of it was utterly disgusting, but I love how these people point fingers only in one direction when everyone else was up to the same thing. We twigged to the slave trade after intercepting a Spanish cargo of slaves. The captain didn't know what to do with them so asked his Dutch friends who did.
I wrote a topic on British slavery and the slave trade in general, when I was 13 I’m now 61, so some of us are aware of our dark past.
I remember having a conversation with my father and uncle in the early 80,s about apartheid in South Africa saying it was wrong, they shrugged and made slight racist tropes.
Hopefully this generation, are not as far down the rabbit hole when it comes to the dark history of the former British Empire.
Are you aware of the 'darkness' of the Islamic empires that Mehdi's ancestors meted out on the Hindus of India? They literally slaughtered millions and destroyed thousands of temples.
Interesting Mehdi doesn't mention that.
Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be. As long as people follow Islam there will be slavery.
Britain also still has ties with its commonwealth, they still control everything that goes on there.
You're one of a very, very few. You're like one of the early abolitionists. A true human.
@@therickestpicklerick thank you 🙏
Thanks Mrs. Elkins
Some would maybe argue it’s a bad suggestion, moving out into the woods and “isolate” yourself from the world, like a way to escape from everything. I don’t doubt some people are doing it for that cause and among other reasons.
Every country on the face of the planet has such a dark and shameful past. Yes, talk about it by all means, even pay to read about someone else talking about it if that floats your boat, but don't point a finger in any direction, four fingers will be pointing right back at you.
Mehdi has religious reasons to deflect. Islam is an supremacist and imperialist dogma.
@isakindamagic only they don't. I've exposed your ignorance already. Want to try again?
Mehdi doesn't admit his ancestors invaded India in what many historians have called the most bloody invasion in human history. He just cries that the slaughter of 60-200M Hindus and their relegation to 2nd class citizens resonates today in Indian policy.
Britain's exploitation of Africa is a dark chapter in history that cannot be ignored or overlooked. For centuries, Britain colonized and exploited African countries for their own economic gain, leaving a legacy of devastation and suffering in their wake. This exploitation was driven by greed, racism, and a sense of superiority that allowed the British to justify their actions as a means of civilizing and developing Africa.
One of the most egregious forms of exploitation was the extraction of natural resources from Africa. Britain plundered Africa's rich reserves of gold, diamonds, copper, and other valuable minerals, stripping the continent of its wealth and leaving little benefit for the local populations. These resources were often extracted through forced labor and brutal working conditions, with little regard for the well-being of the African people.
Very racist country, I live here . More than any other country, it feels like going somewhere for good .
Why associate the Dark with something evil in the title? Does Mehdi Hassan also show us his own racist impulses with the titles of his programs?
In Mehdi's own words non believers are cattle, as he was recorded saying addressing a mosque.
But on MSNBC he's a liberal.
It's used in the sense of the prevailing level of light rather than how much of it is reflected from someone's skin. Not every use of dark/light can be construed in terms of racism.
Many people don't know that Britain played an active role in supporting the slave states during the US Civil War.
Britain's Queen Victoria took a neutral stance but prominent British figures actively helped the Confederacy by building them war ships ,supplying ammunition ,getting around the blockade of Confederate trade lanes imposed by the Union and accepting Confederate representatives on diplomatic missions in Britain.
A large number of their people were pro South and the country nearly got involved militarily on behalf of the slave holders
Even after the UK officially abolished slavery ,they didn't mind it in other countries
I heard the north was not too keen on trade with the outer world while the confederate south was heavily dependent on exporting goods to Europe's factories, so they were defending their interests.
On the other hand that's exactly what they were doing during their centuries of military expansion, genocide and imposition of famine. A predatory empire if I've ever seen one.
"Insert Country Here" Dark History Of Racism & Brutality. Britain is definitely one of the Greats in the game, right up there with the Chinese, Japanese, German's, Mongolians, American's, Spanish, Italians, Belgians, Egyptians, Saudi's, etc etc etc
Don't forget Africa who started slavery. They even sold their own people for a few trinkets. Slavery still exist today in Africa.
Some white man wrote that bs. Probably the same one that wrote peoper pan. Until the European came their was no bloodshed when african tribe went to war. You get your history from an old white man. Ask a african about their history.😞
@@Upper-cr1kh 1) Africa did not exist when "slavery" started.
2) Africa is a continent, made up of many countries that did not exist in 17th and early 18th century.
3) Slavery on the African continent, was not practiced in the same manner as Europeans, Arabs and Asians did.
4) Yes, some African nations did sell their fellow men for trinkets and for this, they must always atone. But the brutality and inhumanity, practiced by Europeans during the Atlantic slave trade, will always and forever mar the Europeans souls.
5) The role of the church during the centuries of slavery trading, is unforgivable.
Northern hemisphere you mean?
@@sro9618 Absolutely right and very well said.
They seem to have an identity crisis after being told they are the “good” people their whole life
The beginning of the slave trade
The slave trade began with Portuguese and Spanish traders capturing African people, and transporting them to the American colonies which they had conquered in the 15th century. Around 350,000 Africans were taken as enslaved people to the Americas in this way during this period.
In the 16th century, English pirates started selling enslaved people to the Spanish colonies - Sir John Hawkins was the first English sea-captain to do this. Other nations looked to his example and soon joined in.
Treaty of Utrecht
In 1713, the Treaty of Utrecht was signed. Spain gave British slave traders the contract, known as the Asiento, to trade 144,000 enslaved people a year to Spanish South America. After 1700, the numbers of enslaved people being transported increased greatly.
How far would you like to go back in history? What about the The Moors? Romans? Greeks? Carthaginians? Phoenicians ...
Mehdi doesn't admit his ancestors invaded India in what many historians have called the most bloody invasion in human history. He just cries that the slaughter of 60-200M Hindus and their relegation to 2nd class citizens resonates today in Indian policy.
WW2 Indian famine is enough for me
Medhi proving once again how selective and racist he is. Brits helped end slave trade for the vast majority of countries and were the first empire to openly fight slave traders.
Do you want cookies for putting an end to the horrors you started?
@@dustyautumn8780 you'd have to be mentally handicapped to believe the British started slavery. Something that's been around since Mesopotamia
How many of the people that signed the declaration of independence were British?
All of them. The war ending in the colonist favor created the term American. Up to that point they were British subjects in rebellion.
@@inthefray4279 Exactly. Britain has a long history of atrocities. How many years ago did they(Britain) give Hong Kong back to China, even though I wished at that time that Hong Kong could have stayed within British control because I saw what was coming.
I love Britain even more because of this guy
I'm an anglophile Scandinavian and I think it would be interesting in this pro-Islamic Mehdi Hassan Show, if he had a honest view at the slavers of the Islamic empires.
@@elvenkind6072
You means the Slaves that became rulers in the Mamluk period of time??
@@Aquacrystal78 I mean the slaves that was slaves, and that gave a good price at the slave markets all around in Islamic North-Africa, the Middle-East and Central-Asia. They came from as far away as sub-Saharan Africa and Iceland. The first war of the new republic of USA, was against the Barbary Pirates, that took American slaves (and others).
@@elvenkind6072 britain sold 3 million africans into slavery
british empire was founded on 250 years of slavery
Don’t wait on other people to tell us our own history. Go and get it yourself.
The % of bad that makes us now, and how we are GOOD today. A story. A way to value what we have
Aren't you still sitting on wealth stolen from the colonies? Give it back.
Many wp are the same worldwide.
Uuu uuu even bigger question what makes the British empire more holy than the "fallen Roman empire"?
The USA talking about the British history of racism is a bit rich ,
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Not many views because no one wants to acknowledge it.
Medhi Hassan going to criticise the Islamic Ottoman Empire and how they treated African slaves under their rule as well?
Move on several decades and we find that now the British need to be civilised.
Mr Mehdi does too. He's a lying, hypocritical snake.
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---- Bri'ish Empoir.
Lets talk about african slavery
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yes there was brutality and racism,, it was sadly common amongst empires. It’s more complicated than just. It wasn’t universally accepted in the UK. Campaigners against the slave trade got support in Parliament and it was outright banned and the UK used it’s Navy to enforce this, blockading the slavers, so whilst it was heavily involved in that sordid trade, it did change. Also many refused to buy cotton from the US due to the treatment of slaves there. In WW2, US Officers stationed in the UK wanted to segregate the pubs into black and white and the local people refused. Actually they followed the directive cheekily, by segregating the officers. That said, of course there was racism and colonial repression, yet this spans well over a century and political opinions and attitudes were not at all static.
These fact that you stated are noted and good to add to the story. I will say when I visited Europe I understood why black soldiers in WW2 stayed. Racism was still there but it was much better than the United States.
@@DerekFrazier2014 it’s online about what happened under the ‘battle of Bamber Bridge’. Racism definitely has and is an issue in Europe, sometimes it takes different forms to the US but it’s not gone and to balance out what i was saying, in any country also, there is the tendency, like in the UK, to not teach the negative side, which was horrendous re: slavery, imperialism and so on, i’m not trying to minimise that, just that it had movements, like the Civil Rights movement in the US albeit not from people like Dr King that had the experience of it.
@@DerekFrazier2014 just a quick second thought. Music from the US, which tended to be played to white or black only audiences, like for eg Blues, they came to mostly Ports in the UK, so Liverpool for eg. Bands idolised the Blues musicians like Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters and when they managed to get noticed in the US, the Rolling Stones and Clapton, i remember it was Son House who was a teacher and people rediscovered that and Blues greats like BB King broke through to white audiences. Bowie actually went on MTV to be really critical of the lack of Black artists on its launch and i think that had an effect on the station at the time.
@@widsof7862 Thank you for both informative replies.
Mehdi knows this. It's Islamist deflection. Mehdi is descended from the Islamic invaders of India. An invasion called the most bloody in human history, killing HUNDRED OF MILLIONS.
Islam's history is imperialism, colonialism and slavery. Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be.
But... But the West Mehdi says
Hey Mehdi Hassan why don’t you cover the racism and brutality in the Muslim world next.
CLEARLY, you were not paying attention---a few days ago, he just did Racism and Far-Right Fascism in India, pay attention in school..
@@D-E-S_8559 muslim world is looked upon as the middle east...and is the home of "modern african slavery"...1600hundreds etc.
Funnily enough, its STILL the centre for "Modern african slavery",2020 style.
@@howler6490 "...[and is the home of "modern african slavery"...1600hundreds]..."
AND, where doi you find that evidence of "African muslim slaves", in America you can see, hear and find them in the cities that wypipo banished them to---WHERE?
The truth is racism is everywhere brother there’s good and bad in all
@@D-E-S_8559 😂😂😂😂 he was crying about Hindus picking on Ms, not criticising racism in the Islamic world you eejit! 😂😂😂
The British burned my church in 1775 the seat of brown university. This is a fact.....
And Mehdi would burn your church and have you submitting to his religion in a heartbeat. In his words, you're cattle.
Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be.
And the british bombed my people in the 1920s
Netflix series as a source of history?😂good joke.
Poor Mehdi it's a shame logic is missing from your DNA.
It's a shame honesty s is too.
He's from Islamic Indian stock. Look up the Islamic invasion of India? Historians call it the most brutal in history.
Slavery is also part of Islamic law and always will be.
Deflection from the awful history and customs of Islam is the only tactic they have.
Without lies, Islam dies.
While the UK officially ended slavery ended slavery much earlier than the US the UK continued to heavily import goods made with slave labor. Essentially they outsourced their slave labor to the Yanks.
Much of the goods US slaves were forced to make were sold as exports with the European market in mind. So much so that the Confederate States of America were heavily counting on this trade partnership for its survival. They were even hoping for a European intervention into the US Civil war to preserve their market interests.
This isn't being said just to shame the UK into oblivion, it's just getting the record straight. You can't successfully build a better future for your nation if you don't know what the old foundations you're building atop on are.
Thank you! It's ridiculous to see people make excuses for something that's already happened, that we have unequivocal evidence of happening. The questions are, how does that history affect us now, and how do we continue making sure those types events don't happen again?
Only that's not correct, is it? You're literally ignoring the mass strikes against slave cotton and sugar in the UK.
Q: what defines success in a country’s race relations? Just curious?
One word: Reparations.
Was England worse than the Islamic empires?
Give me an example of an empire formed without violence.
Which is why we don’t need empires now…nor should we bother fantasizing about them.
Highly recommend Saltham Sanghera's bestselling book Empireland.
I just want to thank the USA and its nice people for taking in Mehdi Hasan in so we don't have have him here in the UK.
From Africa, Scotland, Ireland, India, Southeast Asia, London, and the United States, England has had its hand in the brutality that shaped these countries, and cites.
The Scots provided a disproportional share of Viceroys of India and 90% of people of Irish descent now live in the former British Empire, for which privilege they paid absolutely nothing to the original inhabitants. The Empire was called "BRITISH", not "ENGLISH", for a reason.
You're ignorant beyond belief. You must work hard at it.
Mehdi's ancestors invaded India in what historians call the most bloody invasion in human history.
Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be.
Why do you think Mehdi points fingers at the West?
I've noticed to American peoples credit they are more critical of their history regarding colonialism, Imperialism etc. In Britain since end of the British Empire in 1940s and 50s and 60s. Britain has been severely reduced in status and power as a country. Therefore many white brits mostly are very reluctant or slightly gloss over Britain colonial past mostly in positive terms and crimes and brutality is buried under the carpet as it makes them look bad. However rest of the world knows better. Sometimes this post colonial hubris can manifest in ugly ways like when England plays in a major football tournament which many say is a cause of football hooliganism for example. The last Euro 2020 tournament was a classic case of it. Where English fans abused people of other countries that England plays in or it could manifest in racism of other countries as the British colonial mentality is still there and has not gone away and surfaces for big events like a football tournament for example but it could be any big event does not have to be in sport. Where mostly white brits recall their colonial past and have that superiority complex and post colonial hangover and put down other countries and peoples because they once were a major power in the world occupying one forth of the globe. Sadly in the 21st century this colonial mentality superiority complex has not gone away is still there in spades and its passed on to a the generations born in 1960s to millenium. Also reflected in todays British politicians and British Mainstream media. THey have an over inflated view of themselves like they still have an empire. When clearly U.S. today is the top dog in the world and not Britain anymore. But to AMericans credit I don't see this colonial hubris in American people and willing to be very critical of their own country I don't see that in Britain that much as someone who lives here.
What absolute bull, America is as much an Imperial nation as any other you don't see the colonial hubris because you're not doubt from the USA or UK and benefit from it speak to any Latino from Chile Peru Colombia for 10 mins just ask them "what do you think of the USA" and you'll get similar replies that you would from a Ukrainian about Russia. Yes Britain's Imperial past was full of evil things and good things we did like any empire from any part of history and any part of the world but most of that is in the past. At least in the end we had to give most of it back to the original peoples who lived there, when they got there independence. Unfortunately the USA can't do this as it exterminated the original people
Your opinions aren't fact, you know?
Most Britain's are more knowledgeable of history and more nuanced than you are. That's the problem you can't see.
For example, Mehdi is of Islamic Indian stock. Strangely, he doesn't mention that Islamic invasion of India is regarded the most bloody in human history. It was still slaughtering Hindus by the 100'sk when the British arrived.
Jo Sm your drivel aren’t facts either
England: what a horrible place! So much worse than ________ *
*fill in the blank
Name a country that doesn't have slavery in its history. .
@Anime Dumpster Fire We have a winner!
Switzerland??
Mehdi's family emigrated to England. So, it's better than there.
@@muddywater4505 Mehdi deflects because slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be. As long as people follow Islam there will be slavery.
It seems that while we in the UK do not elect racist prime ministers like Americans elect Trump types, we are not perfect either.
Mehdi is on record calling non Ms cattle and homosexuals worse than animal lovers.
Interestingly he doesn't mention his ancestors colonial history or the fact slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be.
He admires a slave trader and r*pist as part of his religion
You're not and never will ya'll be
Funny how people ignore Egypt, the first racists and the first slavers of the human race but yet nobody hounds them for their past actions🙄
Mehdi likes to deflect from Islam and Ms. Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be.
'fun facts': Britain forced Egypt to stop importing Sudanese slaves in the 1880's.
Egypt was still importing white slaves into the 20th century. The mother of the leader of Egypt still had 60 white slaves in 1931.
Plenty of us were taught about the excess of colonial behaviours by our own people. We were also taught a lot more about the unification of the empire and the creation of the commonwealth. Like any kids listening to history, most barely paid much attention. There was violence, and abuse and grabbing at territory. We know, but we here now didn't do that. The upper classes and entrepreneurial elements of British society controlled the actions of the government. In other words the super rich. When the poor and middle classes objected and raised petitions against slavery, the public voice had an effect and policies changed. This woman is just another American deflecting and her timing is sus. Our empire wasn't the one that traded the most slaves for instance. The Irish had the most profitable slave market for over 900 years and frequently supported raids in England by Irish and Scandinavian slavers. We were also subjugated by the French for centuries and the Romans before that but it doesn't mean the British had a right to do the same. It seems that this woman wants to blame Britain for Americas ills using the abused becomes an abuser premise. I notice she avoids the Dutch and Spanish involvements when speaking. Whataboutism!
Was the British Empire a colonial nightmare for many of its subjects....absolutely. were black races treated badly...of course....did the empire stop a lot of wars and tribal murders, bring about technological and social change, develop trade for nations and provide infrastructure and medical support for populations that had previously had limited quality of life ? ...yes. were the actions of British military forces reprehensible during situations that could have been handled better...too true on too many occasions
. Do I have to hang my head in shame because of what happened before I was Born? No, because its only jingoistic dickheads like Boris and his public school cronies who think that way still has a place in the modern world and they play at being adults with ŕesponsible attitudes rather than facing up to the need to think before they speak and act decently towards those they govern and the rest of the world. Acknowledgement of what happened is important for the people it happened to and to those who live in the society that causd it to happen. In Britain, responsibly minded people recognise this and find American attitudes to race almost incomprehensibly outdated and insane. We have our own fascist elements and like to keep them on a tight leash so we can let them out to ridicule now and again but if they start getting ideas we put them back in the box. The US idolise theirs and let them do whatever they want. Maybe its because the super rich there have so much influence on the education of the poor and have conditioned them to respond this way because that helps keep them under control.
Mehdi knows this. It's a deflection tactic. He's descended from Islamic invaders to India. An invasion called the most bloody in human history.
His religion's entire history is one of imperialism, colonialism and slavery. Indeed, slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be.
But... But... The West...
Well when any group travels far from an established start point trouble happens..even within Britian itself...Celts were the predominant groups,then the Romans invaded,then the Saxons,Vikings ,Norman's etc ..the worlds development is a long sad tale of isolation, movement, domination whatever colour,creed etc..
Everyone is so concerned about colour slavery when in reality many of these nations had slaves themselves....sold,traded etc maybe not in such large numbers as the UK empire...but still...Ghana ,Benin etc had empires people can't be stupid enough to think they didn't have slaves..lol the Egyptians... Sumerians also ..slavery has been with us for a long time.And unfortunately it still goes on.
Caroline Elkins
Britain has 250 years of slavetrade
Britain has a truly apalng histry
When are you giving back what you stole, then?
The surfacing of this topic in the current European context, better said, its timing, is highly suspicious. I don't know of any empire that doesn't have a dark side, simply because they existed in certain stages of our evolution as humans, as societies.
More tragic than anything is that today we have countries where slavery still exists but somehow it's not recognized, where people sell their children, where totally inhumane things happen. While in some countries the human rights are regulated by law, in others lawlessness is the rule.
Is it a problem of the governmental system or a problem at the human level?
Mehdi is deflecting. His religion was founded in imperialism and colonialism and further, holds up a slave trader as it's perfect example of humanity. Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be.
Mehdi doesn't admit his ancestors invaded India in what many historians have called the most bloody invasion in human history. He just cries that the slaughter of 60-200M Hindus and their relegation to 2nd class citizens resonates today in Indian policy.
They came up with the catch all term "Wog."
What people seem to forget is events don't happen in isolation why was Britain trying to take over America Indian Africa? Because other nations were too France , Spain, often part of global conflict between the British and the Spanish protestants and Catholics etc. British involvement in Indian massively increased when the French had troops there during the Napoleonic wars (how many people know about this?). French Indian wars in America, Spanish war of succession? It was all about global influence, countries and people were just pawns in the wider scheme of things. How is this any different from today? With the USA and China or Russia or during the cold war?
Yeah still nothing of it is okay at all
To prevent a war ever happening again
MSNBC is one of the big examples of what not to do in journalism.
Mehdi. I went to school in the UK and Ireland between 1966 and 1979. I was fully aware of the UK's involvement in the Slave Trade from the education I received. TV series like the BBC'S The British Empire from 1972, made abundantly clear what the Empire had done. In the past 40 years documentary after documentary on British TV and radio have been unsparing in their telling of the Empire's story and British made movies and TV drama series have consistently portrayed the Empire as an essentially racist and brutally exploitative endeavour. Yet, it was only this week I found out that while more black Africans were enslaved in the Arab world than by the west, the reason why there are no huge 'African-Arab' populations in the middle east was because the male slaves were routinely castrated. And Mehdi, do you know what the most commonly use term is in Saudi Arabia to describe a sub-Saharan African? "Shariha"..... or in English, "slave". And guess which country today has the largest slave population in the world after North Korea? I'll give you a clue; it's the one with the cast system of institutionalised privelaged and class snobbery that your parents come from and of which I believe you are still a citizen. Britain has a dark history of racism; yes. But it has faced up to that and has been largely accepted by most Brits.
Mehdi's ancestors invaded India in what historians have called the most bloody invasion in human history.
Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be. As long as people follow Islam there will be slavery.
Why do you think Mehdi likes to point fingers at the West?
What outright lies and preposterous claims you make!
By the way, your bigotry and racist slip is showing.
You should do an honest documentary on misogyny in the Islamic world.
Lol joe who started the world wars ? Your filthy people should not talk sit down little boy
Islam is a supremacist, imperialist dogma and always has been.
@EL CID exactly. He's been caught out calling non Ms cattle and saying homosexuals are tantamount to animal abusers, in a mosque. But put him on MSNBC and he's a liberal.
I'm happy for the full history of Britain to be taught, this includes the African tribes who captured members of other tribes (what happened to the financial rewards that they obtained?) and sold them to the British, this includes the slavery carried out by all the countries involved not just Britain, this includes the countries whose trade in slavery was greatly reduced or even stopped because Britain policed the seas and stopped the trafficking of slaves.
his should also include the indentured individuals who weren't considered slaves but were indentured for 30 years for little or no money after slavery was supposedly abolished.
Slavery has been around for thousands of years (for example Moorish Arabs sailed round Iberian peninsula and captured whole villages of people on the Cornish coast and made them slaves) and modern slavery is still happening, look at what is happening in Middle East building the football stadia for the upcoming world cup. Thousands have died from injuries and the heat what is being done about this.
The reason why the slave trade (Africa to Americas) was more awful than before or since is because it was effectively industrialised by being made more efficient and so huge numbers of people were stolen from their lands.
Dude, don’t be such a racist with your whataboutism… I for one, am happy and looking forward to reading this book about your awful and tainted history. The reason why you’re being defensive about it is due to your arrogance. Your history is full of lies and propaganda. Y’all have always looked down on anyone who’s not a WASP.
This book is going to be a great read. 😜
Yes, but the British have been the worst.
@@PrimatoFortunato really, so tell me the figures against for example the genocide carried out by the belgians in the congo, by the south africans with their apartheid, by the arabs in their march across the middle east, by the ottomans in the balkans, by the mongols through asia, by the huns through europe and so on and so on.
@@aethellstan exactly! Like those, only wanting to extract resources and labor, but on a global scale.
@@PrimatoFortunato you mean like america, italy, france, spain, portugal, netherlands, denmark, china, russia etc...?
Britain was ruthless, they were in every country...America was ruthless, many came from Britain to colonize America. I don't think there is any country that doesn't have some really terrible stuff that happened.
Mehdi's ancestors invaded India and enacted the most bloody invasion in human history.
His religion endorses slavery.
Odd he doesn't mention that.
Your report says nothing of Britain leading the abolition of slavery globally.
Will the author be writing books on other empires and nations, historic and current regarding their slave trades and conquests?
Intentional blinkered ignorance. Shame.
Don't act like the British had any moral high ground.
Even the other European powers knew Britain only wanted to end slavery so they could export their industrial economy.
No nation as evil as the English ever existed, even their fellow white men (Irish) where not safe from the British.
Britton made the most and killed the most in SLAVERY, dont try to make them look good here , noone is buying your crop.
And yet under British rule the population of every single territory ruled by Britain went up two or threefold. Ireland is the one exception, largely because 90% of people of Irish descent now live in former parts of the British Empire.
Read about the Indian famines. Ireland wasn’t the exception. If anything, the only reasons population went up in some places was just because of the British getting better at counting people in hard-to-reach places.
@@jonathanraithel5726 And India didn't have famines before the British? Granted, the lower earlier population levels probably reduced their total fatalities, but faminies were not invented by colonialism. And what is the evidence that, "the only reasons population went up in some places was just because of the British getting better at counting people in hard-to-reach places"? You can hardly hold it against the British if they were the first people to conduct regular censuses in some places. I haven't noticed anywhere throwing off the shackles of censuses along withn those of the rest of colonialism. Have you?
@@markaxworthy2508 i see you excluded Australia. I guess the maths are the reason for that.
I refer you to the precious Tench and his gripe with the Admiralty about their stupid estimates of the population of NSW and the vials of smallpox the First Fleet brought to Sydney
@@redsword1659 You say I, "excluded Australia". Nope. Explain yourself, please.
the U.S. is the last one who should be throwing any stones
When Britain abolished it's slave trade half a dozen African kingdoms complained! King Gezo of the Dahomey was on record saying he'd do anything the British asked but give up slavery. Britain signed anti slaving treatise with 50+ African kingdoms and if they refused the British bombarded them.
Britain bombarded the city state of Lagos, Nigeria in 1851 to stop it slaving. Lagos renamed it's Independence Square after a local slave trader and you can visit her statue there today.
Ah that makes it better then.
@@connectingthedots100 better than the rest of the world, that continued slaving or resisted giving it up. Britain stopped half the world slaving.
Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be.
Britain stopped it's anti slaving patrols off East Africa once the last Arabian nation abolished slavery in 1970.
The Islamic Republic of Mauritania only abolished slavery in 2007.
@@connectingthedots100 you refuse to condemn Mehdi's Islamic ancestors and his religion's acceptance of slavery?
You're a hypocrite who seems to have gone very quiet.
Slavery still exists in African and Middle Eastern countries to this day. Let’s see a story on that.
Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be. As long as people follow Islam there will be slavery.
Funny Mehdi doesn't mention that.
If Britain had such a dark history of racism and brutality why did so many people from all over the world risk their lives on long dangerous journeys to come and settle here?
Barbados will like Sri Lanka after Independence 🙄
That was a bright move.
Bankrupt and Debt trapped by the Chinese 😣
Barbados is basically a tax heaven, removing the Queen as a head of state is just a technicality. Europe has it's own issues, that could once again drag the rest of the world into a potential extended war. I will say this I think its weird and American academic is writing about the UK rather than the USA given her area of expertise.
Everywhere and everywhen, empires have been built and maintained at the point of a bayonet...this is news?
No, it's deflection because Islam was founded on imperialism and colonialism. Slavery is also part of Islamic law and always will be.
As an Islamist, Mehdi has to keep deflecting from his own supremacist views.
Mehdi doesn't admit his ancestors invaded India in what many historians have called the most bloody invasion in human history. He just cries that the slaughter of 60-200M Hindus and their relegation to 2nd class citizens resonates today in Indian policy.
And they still try to hide things now...
Who does? Mehdi? Yes, he deflects from the imperialism, colonialism and slavery of his religion. Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be. Mehdi himself is on record calling non believers cattle.
Mehdi doesn't admit his ancestors invaded India in what many historians have called the most bloody invasion in human history. He just cries that the slaughter of 60-200M Hindus and their relegation to 2nd class citizens resonates today in Indian policy.
Ya gota be truth to n of yourself
This guy has a cheek! He throws a tantrum over what he calls Islamaphobia all the dam time!
How is it ok to judge British people by the worst standards of their ancestors but wrong for them to judge you by the worst actions of your contemporaries?
It's pro Islamic propaganda. It's meant to make people think Muslims are the good guys, and centuries of Christian, European civilization to be thought of as the bad guys, so that people easier lay down and let themselves be turned into floor mats, for the very same people that talk so bad about us, to walk over us and wipe their shoes on us, on their way in, so that people will think they have not been walking through bloody mud on the way.
The great irony is, he's of Islamic Indian stock. The Islamic invasion of India has been called the most bloody in human history. Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be.
But he's highly critical of a nation that forced his ancestors to stop slaving and gave him a good education etc.
I know that being a professor of African-American studies should not depend on your looks, but frankly, it makes me uneasy to see blond and pale people speak on behalf of people with African roots, like they were ichthyologists trying to protect the eels who cannot speak for themselves. Having said that I applaud Caroline Elkins for her important work.
And there is a racist if ever I (saw) one. Racism is only about white and black?????? That is all you've learned?
@@charnight181 So what is it actually about? I honestly want to learn more wherever I can.
Do you ever feel qualified to comment on European history?
Or would it make you "uneasy" to speak on behalf of "blond and pale people"?
People are people where ever you go and however far back you look in history.
So deal with it.
Well, I have got half way through without a single example or hard fact being advanced. I hope the second half is more informative.
Nope. The second part only offers her previous book's subject, Kenya, as a specific example. There is not a single example offered of the dozens of other colonies she reportedly studied for the latest book. Not one. Nothing!
I come away from this worthless "interview" having learnt absolutely nothing about the British Empire, either good or bad.
If anyone else spotted a hard fact in these nearly ten minutes of talk, please put it up here along with the minute and seconds so I can go straight to it.
Mehdi never mentions his ancestors invaded India in what historians have called the most bloody invasion in human history.
He also ignores the fact slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be. As long as there's Islam there will be slavery.
Why do you think he likes to point fingers at the West?
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Just to be frank, we need a lot more white women like her… like a couple hundred million more
LOL GO DRINK TEA AND MUFFINS
Excellent perspective, brilliantly presented by Caroline.
It is a very important matter for many generations of People's of many countries colonized by UK, Spain, France, Portugal, Italy, Netherlands, Germany, Russia, USA...
Seriously hope nobody is going to pretend this didn't happen.
Also hope nobody is thinking of making it happen again 🤔😕
I'm, quite likely, an optimistic person.
Great show, many thanks. 👍🏽😘
The perspective is, Mehdi's ancestors invaded India in what historians call the bloodiest invasion in human history.
Further, slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be. As long as people follow Islam there will be slavery.
@@josm1481
Western Slavery isn't part of Islam.
Islam method of getting rid of slavery was to tapper it off.
Instead Islam has system called "Rick"(Nomadic refugee resettlement)
Because people were nomads which vulnerable to attack after a battle so people used to take care of them by dividing single people or taking care of an entire family under their household.
Since they were POW they owed credit hours of work in their field of expertise to the State.Each Had a contract period of work and direct access to Judge.On the end of the Contract you were suppose to give them enough gold to either make a Life in the same society or elsewhere.
BTW people under your care have equal rights ie the same food and eating on the same level ,clothing,shelter.
Not exactly Islam's way of getting ridd of Slavery wasn't an abrupt Stop but it tapered it off and restricted it to Prisoners of War.
@@Aquacrystal78 a third of slaves taken to the Omani sultanate died within a year. Slaves taken to the middle East were routinely castrated.
Islamic slavery was brutal. Stop lying and pretending different.
Soon American libraries will be full of books criticising other countries with no mention whatever of the USA's appalling history of racism and slavery.
american histry is literlaly talked about every day.
How far back do we go ? can we blame the Romans then the Vikings & the Normans for making us like that?
The Normans possibly. They were a particularly overzealous bunch.
@@erinmcdonald7781 You got that right. They're the ones that started the conquest of Ireland and the Crusades. They came from Normandy,I knew the French would be involved, somehow.
It is odd that the last instalment of reparation paid to slave owners was in 2015. To suggest it is not relevant is misguided because the descendants as well as others who of enslaved peoples paid for these reparations via the tax system. Slavery would have not ended if these payments were not made. The descendants of these owners still benefited. For example, your grandparents steals a diamonds from the original owner, then they pass this to their children as inheritance, it is still stolen goods no matter how much time has passed since the original crime.
Or boooo hooooo
Respects to the Dharawal and Gandangarra murdered by the British Regiment at Appin NSW on April 17 1816
No mention of the hundreds of millions Mehdi's ancestors slaughtered in India?
@@josm1481 take it up with them , not me. One point i would note is that at Appin a complete way of life was extinguished. It was a peaceful and unique culture. There is no hierarchy here. Your dead people are not better than my dead people. To be honest, humanity lost more in the Appin Massacre.
@@redsword1659 if it was peaceful it was indeed a unique culture, as I can only think of one other truly pacifist culture in history. And they were slaughtered, enslaved and cannibalised by the Maori in NZ.
But I'll call your BS as I doubt a mainland Australian aboriginal culture was peaceful. Prove it? By virtue of holding the land they were able to repel other claimants. So, I doubt very much they were pacifists etc.
@@josm1481 i said peaceful. Not heavenly. I am reporting to you directly my observations about their culture compared to mine and yours. I assure you, they are more civilised and humane. Take my word for it. Yindyamarra
@@redsword1659 yes, but your word means squat. You claimed a group that undoubtedly had inter tribal battles and domestic violence is peaceful.
You're making things up to suit your agenda.
Maybe we should be talking about record high diesel prices this week that is going to drive up the prices for EVERYTHING!!!!!
Get a bike and stop whining. There are people that don't have food and your crying about gas prices.😞😪😢
Can you see now why Independent voters are running right 👀
No...you must be hanging out with the wrong people!
Kenya is not an exception, the British sacked the Great Kingdom of Benin in the present day Nigeria in the 1800 because the king refused the exploitative trading agreement the British proposed. They proceeded to sack the kingdom with their army, looted and burn down whatever they could not carry
Oh dear. Your ignorance is fantastic. Britain sacked Benin because they kidnapped their envoys who were negotiating an end to slavery in Benin. The kingdom of Benin was a major slave trading nation.
@@josm1481 Maybe you are British, the fly will always side with the man with an open wound. I laugh at you, how do you think all those arts in the British museum got looted from Benin. The liars and thieves always think they will not be discovered, especially when they are doing whatever they do at the point of a musket.
@@nathanakintunde1391 yes, and the dishonest will always avoid the subject and deflect. You're the very clear liar here. Because Benin took British subjects captive as they were negotiating trade and the end of slavery in Benin, the British expeditionary force sacked Benin and took things from an empire that had taken things, including other humans, from elsewhere.
Now, stop lying and deflecting. You're an embarrassment.
@@nathanakintunde1391 the hilarity that you defend an empire that slaughtered and enslaved their neighbours and focus bronzes just exposes your racism and priorities. You're upset about bronzes but don't care about slaughtered and enslaved Africans.
@@josm1481 Great, you are now gradually agreeing with me. Now you agree that it is trade and slavery that they are negotiating, you also should tell the world that the Benin kingdom warned that they're not accepting outsiders during a particularly traditional ceremonial period but because of the mandacity of the British, they send their representatives to the Kingdom or shall I say send their spies to the Kingdom and they were caught and killed. Let me tell you that my family was against slavery and some of my fathers Children were taken to the America's when he was not around. Even though slavery and indentures were part of our culture, we were not treating our slaves like animals the way the Arabs, the Portuguese, and the British were. However I did not know how grand theft, deceit, looting, burning and killing translate to deflection and avoidance. Let me tell you that no matter how you look at it, everyone will pay for their sins, you do not need to convince me. The law of Karma applies in all cases. No one, including you will get away with it
KENYA... MAU MAU ...SHAMEFUL BRITAIN
The Masai literally used to enslave the Kikuyu, their neighbors, until Britain stopped them. Look into the tribal animosities at work in the Mau Mau whilst you're at it?
@@josm1481 BRITAIN STOPPED THEM BY RAPING THEM AND PULLING THEIR TONGUES AND GENITALS OUT AND KEEPING THOUSANDS IN CAMPS LIKE NAZIS
The British did nothing about slavery
Go woke 😂😂😂
Mehdi Hasan should study Japanese history and do a report on it. England isn't the only country that has a history of bigotry. Most countries have bigotry against some group or another during their history.
Mehdi is fully aware his anti Western narrative is a deflection. He's descended from Islamic invaders to India. An invasion called by historians the most bloody in history.
The history of his religion is one of imperialism, colonialism and slavery. Slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be!
He's deflecting.
As a black man born in the UK, the only information I ever got of black history the black diaspora was generally a stereotype or the raci narrative.
Nothing historical, no black literature or art, no black science, No black people who made black history in the UK, no black heroes no black fathers no black mother's just a fixed point that's supposed to be your reality.
Just a narrow land scape that black people are allowed to be in which is not much ! .
So you either have to follow the raci narrative or follow the raci stereotype and for a lot of the young black men and women it's a dead end road to no wear.
The English treat their colonial past as nothing important, its gone, trivial they treat slavery as something that happened over their so of no importance but they glorify there own and treat ower black historical points as worthless uninteresting. The historical parts they do teach are the clean parts which robs the young white children of the full identity of their own historical past they are not getting the full picture of their own country or society.
The thing they don't understand we the black people the black diaspora remember because it's part of our lives, culture, history, it's what's forget the identity of the different parts of the black diaspora around the world from Africa, the Caribbean, Americans, Brazil south America,Australia, Newzeland and every where else they planted the union Jack.
We haven't forgotten we remember that's why we as the black the diaspora,the black and brown people of the world after the end of slavery and colonialism we now were we are going, the Europeans don't they are still trying to live in the past and we are looking to the future they look backwards we look forwards.
Just look up Cesar Picton. Your victim mentality is going to cripple your people forever if you let it.
Given Mehdi is descended from the Islamic invaders of India, an invasion called the most bloody in human history, that led to the deaths of HUNDREDS of millions. He isn't interested in giving you colonial history either.
The rest of your self pity is a bit painful. If a white person lived in Africa they wouldn't get much of an education in German, French etc history.
Your lack of self awareness is also hilarious. Complaining of not being taught of 'black history' etc and then claiming Europeans live in the past.
Brush your shoulders. Your chips are weighing you down.
In New Zealand we don't have racism. In fact we're so good our last race relations commissioner was instructed not to use the word racism as it was too confronting for some people.
Mehdi doesn't mention his religion was founded in imperialism and colonialism etc. The stench of his hypocrisy is stomach churning.
He's doing a specific piece about a specific empire. The greater point is that most of us can point at other countries/cultures evils, forgetting that fingers point back at ourselves. The idea is that each of our societies needs to face our legacies and examine how we got to where we are today.
@@erinmcdonald7781 again, his religion still harbours aspirations of a global caliphate etc. This is not the past.
His audios calling non believers cattle and homosexuals tantamount to animal abusers is out there.
@@erinmcdonald7781 whereas Britain expended huge resources to eradicate slavery etc., the Islamic world resisted BECAUSE their prophet was a slave trader.
@@erinmcdonald7781 yet, when Mehdi cried about the Hindu backlash in India he didn't mention that it was because the bloody invasion of his ancestors left such a psychological scar that modern Indians still feel it. He focused on the backlash and not the fact the Islamic invaders killed between 60-200M Hindus and relegated them to 2nd class citizens in their own country.
Mehdi not going to talk about how slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be?
We learnt all this years ago. It's boring
Mehdi....go to Kerala now....get going...
With out us you wouldn’t have doctors 😂 go sit down ya ham roll 🗑
King Leopold in Belgium was a great man despite what the leftists claim
Dude his terrorizing is documented you dimwit
What about the 18 million slaves of Islamic slave owners and the fact that Islam
itself is just as much a colonial power as Christianity and the West ever was. Before Islam
no one in India Persia or all the other areas was a muslim. Islam is the most far right and fascistic
of all the religions. Just as Christians rarely follow a doctrine of love or forgiveness in international
affairs Islam doesn't actually recommend such attitudes in the first place. Complete hypocrasy and double standards
from Mr Hayfever as usual. The world is a mess of ideologies that are full of blind spots. Mr Hassan is just
spouting another narrative that has no centre. All he cares about is survival.
Two things can be true:
The West has left a legacy of harmful imperialism all over the world.
AND Islamic imperialism was no less unethical, brutal, bloodthirsty, and merciless than Western imperialism.
Russia and Germany both committed disgusting war crimes in WWII. Their leaders were throughly evil. But pointing out the faults of one doesn’t mean the faults of the other can be expunged.
Like the Hunter laptop cover up?
No cover up we heard you its been investigated its bullshxt so move on. You are looking at yesterday we are facing tomorrow😞
@@darrickmalloy6909 who says it’s bs I’d like to know???
@@darrickmalloy6909 I find it funny how many times this story has changed. How many lies been told about this story that’s been pushed down!!!
Wheres your evidence. Just like your evidence of voter fraud, zilch, none. Get over it.
@@captain007x we well see!!!
Bye Roe vs Wade, bring on the GOP midterms
Thank God for western culture and civilization. Thank God for the UK. Yes, I know there’s a dark side but the upside is far better.
Easy to have upside when no one punish you for it. Western is the equivalent of millenial.
Somehow hitler more evil than churchil
Written by winner
That's what the Romans thought before the barbarians breached the gates.
The slave holdings morphed into the corporations we know of today----that is why both Corporate Democrats and Righties oppose Reparations, whilst "donating" to BLM....
Which God? The UK has a diverse religious and cultural mix and much of the overall culture is not necessarily as western as you suppose. Why would you try to vaunt this using the name of a character created by the nazis to diseminate disinformation and propoganda? Was this an attempt at irony or a statement of true attitude? If you know the name, do you remember his fate?
@@garyspence2128 The Roman Empire collapsed because multiple reasons. The "barbarians" fought the empire for 400 years. There no such thing as "breached the gates". The corruption, the diversity of ideologies and policies, mass immigration, the weakening of the Legion and the expansion of the Eastern Empire was the other causes. When it's too big and don't have a solid base and enough support, it collapse. The fall of the Roman Empire was a slow death.
Lmao! Wonder why the host never brought up racism and slavery in Islamic countries?
To this day.
@Albioyonne Ghede because the west copied them. Then Muslims oppressed Europeans first and inspired them to build colonialist empires
It forced the Europeans to go around Africa to avoid their trade being stolen or taxed via Iraq and turkey
The slavery of European women was highly desired so southern Spain was colonised for 756 years and Malta and Balkans and Sicily, Corsica, Sardinia and Cyprus and Portugal
That led to Europeans who didn't have slavery markers to start copying the Arabs in raiding. Why did France take Algeria? Resources? No
For controlling their coastline so no raids or slavery or piracy
When Rome was invaded in 1453 and Constantinople taken, Rome lost access to china because of Turks and Arabs
That led to Portuguese and Spanish ships around Africa. Portugal was the first to settle India not UK
Because she was writing about Britain, who refined it into an art form, until the US came along.
Lol Christian’s started slavery 😂 THE FIRST SHIP THAT WENT TO AFRICA WAS CALLED JESUS “ SIT DOWN AND SHUT IT YA HAMROLL
Because slavery is part of Islamic law and always will be. Mehdi is on record calling non Ms cattle and homosexuals equivalent to animal abusers, in a mosque. But put him on MSNBC!