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DCS Module Buyer Guide Review: Warbirds (Spitfire, BF-109, I-16, P-51D, FW-190 D-9 & A-8)
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- 0:00 Overview
1:45 Technical Specs
14:43 Fighter Highlights
21:04 Spitfire Flight
30:37 FW-190 D-9 Flight
44:59 FW-190 A-8 Flight
56:16 BF-109 K-4 Flight
1:10:29 P-51D Flight
1:22:10 I-16 Flight
1:32:47 External Visuals
1:37:19 Ratings
1:40:03 Conclusion
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"You will learn more about flight in about an hour of warbird flying... than about 10 months in the *beep* Hornet!"
And that is truth right there... Not that the Hornet and flying it isn't fun, but learning about flight is key for even the more advanced birds. Its an extremely good idea to learn everything you can about flight aerodynamics and such, no matter the plane you want to fly, and the WWII Warbirds perfect.
Initially learning will be frustrating, even maddening, to the initial sim pilots... but stick to it, master it, and you will be a 100% better pilot all around for it.
Good comment ^^
I recently started flying in DCS and I’ve been watching a ton of UA-cam videos of people flying missions in modern jet fighters. Then recently I watched a few videos of people flying warbirds doing 1:1 dogfights, multiplayer mission, and mass multiplayer dogfight.
I have to say that the warbird videos were so much more fun to watch. It’s kinda of boring watching a modern fights shoot missiles are targets you can’t even see.
@@ericandi I can understand and agree with that statement of the differences of WWII vs. Modern aircraft/fights. I enjoy WWII warbirds much as well. I just separate them as they are different in my head and enjoyment. I prefer ground attack and such (avoiding being shot down by AAA and SAMS) more in modern aircraft. Different tech, different strategy, different on many levels. Enjoy which you will. That's the beauty of DCS.
@@lukenielsen8397 I think cold war era stuff strikes a good balance of "i can see what im shooting at" at tech
@@ericandi it’s like some sports. It’s better to play than watch.
Bought myself a P51 as my first plane in DCS because I thought it would be useful to learn the fundamentals of flight, and because I just fell in love with the civilian version that comes with DCS. Glad to hear a veteran confirm this was a good purchase for training. Great breakdown of the different planes, thinking of getting the Spitfire next.
Nah get yourself that Focke-Wulf Fw 190
Spitfire is hard to counter when stalls and spin. When the g-force is too big, the plane starts spinning like fuck.
Sorry for bad england
Nice review.
I have some tips for the 109 which has long been my favorite:
For take off and landing, try using manual propeller pitch. It makes it much easier.
For take off, set trim to +1, propeller to 12:00 and use about ATA 1.2 from the start.
She will be controllable with the rudder, lift the tail and take off by herself. Catch the tendency to nose up when airborne, and you're flying stable.
For landing, throttle down and set the propeller at 11:45. She will loose speed pretty fast and at 350 km/h you can let the gear down which will slow her down further. From there it's just to float her in, like you did in the video.
Also try flying her with manual propeller pitch, she changes to an even more docile plane, very stable and easy to trim and control.
The Mustang and Spitfire had the same Merlin engine, that’s why the horsepower ratings were similar.
Wish they would add the F4U and Mosquito.
I would love the mosquito with the 57 mm tbh
You're in luck. Leatherneck is making an F4U and ED is making a Mosquito after the P-47.
@@hanswolfgangmercer Ask and you shall receive!
Hexenjager when is the f-4 supposed to release ?
@@tobieeck9676 mosquito's in beta right now I think!
I put off watching this video because of the length. However, I wanted to buy another warbird so I started watching it. I ended up watching the entire video. It is great. Seeing all the warbirds put through the same paces was so informative. The specification comparison at the beginning was great, but the flying comparisons was really worth a watch. So I bought the BF 109 K4 because of the superior climb rate. I already had the Spit (best turn fighter) and the FW 190 A8 (best fire power). Thanks Cap.
Your affection for these old Warbirds really comes through Cap.Thanks for all your work on this.
Pleasure
I love WW2 and so of course i got some warbirds BUT even if you are not into WW2 stuff like me .. these planes are a joy to fly! If you like chill flights where you can fly low and see things around you.. get one!
They are not that complicated because they don't have tons of electronics in them and you can feel the plane in your hands because of the direct control. My favorite is the FW-190D9 .. got it when it came out, still fly it to this day, it never let me down in dogfights if you keep your calm and speed none of DCS warbirds can touch you..just B&Z the hell out of them... perfect.
Just bought myself the Spitfire today (last day of the year end sales) - loving it; currently my fav aircraft to fly!
You get P-51 with DCS for free, just an unarmed version. For a pure joy of flight it's rather enough in my opinion. And recently Mustang and Dora both received significant overhaul in terms of visual quality. Other than this - excellent video.
6:18 I think its because Mustang P-51Ds where fitted with Merlin engines (I think its Merlin 66) and LF Spitfire Mk. IX used the same engine.
thx
Yeah! that's the it :D
Correct the P-51’s original engine suffered from lower high altitude performance compared to other contemporary fighters, until they upgraded it with the same engine as the spitfire, and it became a better fighter because of the engine
1:25:43 this is when cap knew, he F@#$ up...
Thank you for that moment I spit out my drink
lol rgr
Amazing video. But one little thing, the FW 190 A8 was introduced in Feb 1944.
Cap - great job! Creative approach on how to review these all together. Was concerned they were going to get "short shrift" by combining into a single video, but you really brought out the unique features of each plane while emphasizing the overall quality of all of them. Thanks so much for the time it takes to make these reviews.
Cap - thanks for these videos! I am looking to get into warbirds and this video (along with your Jug review) is perfect! Thank you, sir!!!
In the battle of Britain the Spitfie Mk2 did 357MPH the Me 109E (with a petrol injected engine was 348 MPH.. however the spitfire and hurricane's engine could cut out in any negative G manouvre...NOT due to oil starvation but FUEL starvation, a result of having Carburetters as oposed to the Fuel injection system as found on the 109. This was over come to a certain extent by the invention of a british woman engineer who developed a small washer/diaphragm to put in the float chamber. Her name was Miss Beatrice Shilling, a standard joke amongst RAF was how their spitfires and Hurricanes now did not cut out thanks to 'Miss Shillings orifice' (google it!
As for Spitfires wings breaking off? Late in the war, Spitfire and Tempest Pilots in a powered dive encountered buffeting? What they did not know is they were nearing Mach1 No this isnt the early spitfire but later models and if you think the Spitfire cockpit was small please try and get the chance to sit in a Me109 it makes the spitfire look like a ballroom, I love DCS but historically the facts and figures given were not true. Read some books on ww2 fighters, read the bigraphy of eric winkle brown.
The Spitfire Mk5 was superior to the Me109F but when it came across the FW190 they were certainly outclassed in speed and took a thrashing from the new german fighter. However, a german pilot landed his FW190 at a south wales airfield, he mistook the bristol channel/severn estuary for the English channel, it was a gift and this new german fighter was test flown in mock dogfights with the Mk5 spitfire. It certainly exceeded the spitfire in nearly every factor. The Fw190 had the fastest roll rate of any WW2 fighter. The RAF wee in trouble. However, Rolls Royce put a 2 stage Blower on the engine, A 4 bladed prop to handle the increase in power and a a slightly larger tailfin. the Mk9 was born. This was, some say the finest model. When the Fw190 first met the Mk9 spitfire. the germans thought they were dealing with Mk 5s they had a shock. It did not fare well for them. Now whilst the Fw109 was indeed faster at low level, at altitude the Mk9 ran circles around it.
The P51 (originally built to a british specification) had an alison engine and again was an excellent low level ground attack (aprt from it weakness being a liquid cooled engine) but it's performance was very poor at altitude. A rolls royce engineer had a ccouple of P51's and they 'shoehorned the Merlin engine into its airframe and a superb fighter was born. It's range was very good but to reach berlin it needed all its tanks full plus drop tanks and was a pig to fly due to C of G problems untill a lot of fuel was burnt. I am sorry but I must take issue with the statement of engine blowing up in a spit same as the wings snapping off? Spitfire and P51's both had merlins and yes some had a bendix stromberg carburreter etc but the fact is both engines could blow up and both types did there is no statistical evidence saying the spitfire engines blew up any more than the P51, If anything lots of german engines blew up mainly due to poor quality metals (as the war went on!) and sabotage as a lt of german hardware was built by slave labour. Please watch some you tube videos by pilots who have flown both, Mark Hannah for instance or better still do some research, go to duxford wherre you can hear a spitfire and a P51 flying...Real engine noises in the real world.
I love DCS but come on get the models correct DCS, Do your Research.
Me109k read here for infowww.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_bf_109K.htm Finally one of the most difficult ww2 fighters to land was the Bf109 (all models) it had a very narrow wheel base, in fact the wings could be taken off a 109 and the plane could be pushed along as its wheels were actually attached to the fuselage not the wings. A very high proportion of german pilots were killed in landing accidents as it was so easy to ground lopp the Me 109.
Sadly I agree. Cliffs over Dover is a much better WW2 flight sim. I expected to see improvements in DCS, beyond what was the standard in CoD. But they missed the mark. DCS is more about the player vs player than it is about true flight characteristics.
They want it to be fun rather than real.
If you don't mind me asking, what specifically about the Cliffs of Dover flight model makes it superior to DCS?
Only thing i have as complains is the us skin on the bf 109 😂
i have the P51, Spit, Dora, 109K4 and i skip the newest ones because what i noticed in all these years of flying DCS i only can say is that the first of all them which came out was and is still simply the best of all !! ....THE P51 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@kubanskiloewe how you compare D9 and 109 K4?
@@simplydesan211 i dont like the 109 because you always have to counteract with the stick or trimwheel. 190 is not bad but as in every sim a bit of a brick :-) I now have the P47 too and i like it because its huge and with a nice radial sound. But it can fly circles around a D9..... worst of the bunch is the Spit which i didnt get straight with the trim up or down...this thing is a pure nightmare to me and the Cockpit is lame as well as the 109´s.
Need more warbirds! Especially USN warbirds, i.e. F-4U Corsair, F-6f Hellcat.
I would also like to see something like one of the zeros
Corsair in coming soon.
I wanna see a B17!
@@fmaj6502 You mean the B-17? The B17 was a Swedish aircraft. If you mean the B-17 there are AI ones in the WW2 Assets Pack and if u mean it playercontroled: then u aren‘t the only one. Abt the B17, then ur the first one I hear who wants it.
@@fmaj6502 Bro, theyl never do a full fidelity b17.
Very comprehensive. I have started into DCS World with the “Dora”. Thank-you for showcasing the other planes. Want to get the 109K next.
Hey guys, just a short one on the top speeds. I mean, it counts for all the planes, but the warbirds are particularly susceptible because of their fairly low climb rates. Namely, it depends a lot on altitude, so while some planes were better up there, others a better down low. This is especially important during low altitude dogfights. Just did a short drag race, at 500ft, all planes clean, with 350lbs of fuel, starting speed at 100 knots, as i wanted to see how fast each is modeled in DCS. The results were following:
BF-109K reached 321 KIAS and reached it first. It ended up winning the race, but burned though its fuel the fastest. FW-190D and FW-190A also reached top speed of 321 knots, but lost the race with some 1/2 a kilometer behind (about 0.3 NM). The Dora was only slightly better then the Anton in acceleration and won 2nd with only about 3-4 plane lengths advantage.
The P-51D reached a top speed of 301 knots. It lagged behind the Spitfires in the first part of the race, but the Spits hit their top speeds fairly early and stuck there. Anyway they all lagged behind the Germans.
Both cropped and regular wing Spit Mk IX's reached 272 knots of top speed, and to my even greater surprise, they reached it with no difference in acceleration what so ever.
Finally, the I-16 as expected was slowest and reached only 220 knots. I put in the Christian Eagle II in there, just to keep them company, but i don't think i should post its score. It just wouldn't be ethical! Well.....just something to keep in mind when buying these planes and how you intend to use them!
Cheers everyone and good nigh!
P.S. loved your Buyer Guides reviews.
thx 79
@@grimreapers my pleasure mates!
I know this comment is old. But based on those results you got, are the flight models in the game accurate?
@@captainnutsack8151 no idea. I haven't researched the topic lately and currently i don't have the relevant documentation at hand to do :/
@@ilejovcevski79 Ah okay. I'm sure updates since then have changed the flight models at least slightly anyway. Thanks for the response. Those results are great info.
The Mk 108 30mm cannon on the BF-109 K-4 is shoots an enormous bullet that’s the size of small artillery shell. Each projectile weighs 3/4’s of a pound (0.35 kg). The entire shell cartridge weighed more than 1 pound (0.5 kg). Just one 30mm round scoring a direct hit will take at least half a wing off an enemy Warbird. The Mk. 108 30mm is an absolute beast of gun that shoots 660 rounds per minute which is 500 pounds (227 kgs) of lead being fired in just 1 minute.
The only downside is weight when the MK. 108 is on an aircraft. For that reason, the BF 109 K-4 only carried 65 rounds of the 30mm ammo for the Mk. 108. But all it takes is 1 round and the plane being hit is going down fast, most likely with a large part of the airplane blown away and no longer attached.
over an hour wooow. i am thinking of getting all the war birds. but i dont want some now. thank you for saving my money.
Yea you don't want to go bankrupt lol
Wait for a sale. Get them there. And the campaigns.
Just one thing. The FW190A-8 is not from 1941 (that's the first 190), I just check wikipedia and it's from 1944:
The A-8 entered production in February 1944.
Yea
I think his confused it with the fw-190 line in general
Thanks guys, it says 1941 within DCS, but that I'm guessing that info is wrong then :(
Yes, it is. The A-1 is from 1941.
You stated that the fuel gauges were impossible to see in the P51-D If you press Right CTRL + Shift and number 4 of 5 on your num pad
your sight view will scroll left or right and you can see the contents ....Great Review on all or them ...Thank you
Thanks Jon, I love your stuff ! Warbirds, yessssssss
Kind regards, Nick
I thought you'd like this one Nick! :)
@@grimreapers You hit the nail on the head. I have yet to meet an F35, F22, F16 or F18 driver who doesn't dream of Fighters... real fighters. The last great gladiatorial machines. Thank you again. Kind regards, Nick
I enjoyed your flight on the I-16. Thank you )
To enhance the WW2 immersion you need ships, carriers and equipment of that era.Please give us that immersion.
I love the FW A series
I would love to see metric values for non anglo-saxon vehicles or even better both values, imperial and metric, for all vehicles. At present both systems are being used rather randomly throughout all reviews with your occasional kilometers, and meters popping up between feet, miles and knots (!). Cheers.
Landing gear in I-16 is very difficult (and thus very slow, since it's done entirely by the pilot's mighty right hand) to rise at speeds over 250 km/h, so it's a good practice to reduce throttle or set steeper climb angle after takeoff until gear is up and locked. And it's better to start lowering it at the second turn (to downwind), with speed already reduced. And it is a joy to fly and learn, took me 5-6 tries just to take it off the runway without rolling in the grass or damaging the gear.
IIRC, I was watching a review of the MD-80 (like a _real_ MD-80), and the pilot was talking about a panel under the pilot's leg that could be removed to physically access and push down the forward landing gear....Just-in-case
Awesome Video !!! 4 years and I still have problems with the Dora landing, I don't die, but I break a wheel or prop. Especially hard on short runways of Normandy.
I was able to land better after watching this video, so it made me feel better to practice landings more. Thanks !!!
Same here. He did say to pull back on the stick once the wheels touch the runway to lock the tail wheel. We’ll see if that helps.
So Anton vs Dora. Which is a better module and more fun?
(Old video, I know)
THERE IS A STABILITY SYSTEM IN THE 190!!! If you've ever flown an RC plane or heli, the 190 had Expo on the stick! Near center, the stick was less sensitive, making it easier to aim and to land.
(I'm pretty sure it was on every variant of the 190, but I could be wrong...)
I didn't join DCS for the warbirds, but i did get the Spit about a year ago, just to see how they are modeled AND because she was the prettiest of them all at the time. I do want to get the Anton at some point, as i love that birds as well, but it's not high on my priority list, i want an F4U first. It is however the visibility in DCS that puts me off the WW2 stuff. With modern jets, the size of the planes and the sensor package does a lot to mitigate the spotting deficiencies, but the Korea jets, and especially the comparatively tiny WW2 props it's almost like flying blind. That green windshield makes things even worse, i've had bandits disappear on me, right as roll in on them in order to put them in my gun sights :/ . So.....for me, these will largely have a collector's value, the way things are in DCS right now, i don't believe i'll get to fly them in any meaningful capacity. And i have no intention to enable labels.
Genuine, spot on, brilliant review.
Actually, a small correction, spitfire Mk IX was made to compete against earlier fw-190, which was a lot better in terms of power than previous spitfires such as mk.V. at least thats what I read
thx
The Spitfire definitely wins my award for the sexiest WW2 Warbird. It’s a beautiful airplane.
agree
I love warbirds your converting me over to dcs
Good video Cap. Regards climb rate, that is primarily down to engine power. In fact, if you double the power, you more than double the climb rate!
Don’t forget weight and drag
@@krankysfirebrand485 ah yes, of course! I suppose I should have said climb rate is proportional to excess power, not total power!
A note on the lack of aileron trim...Spitfires, at least the MkIX, didn't have trim tabs there. I was told by a guy during a visit by the Silver Spitfire at a nearby airfield that they would tweak the outside corner of the ailerons by bending to give it a little trim there.
wow cool
P51D 437mph, Spitfire MkXIV was 448mph, the pic above is certainly not a MK9 but looks like a Griffon powered Spitfire (by the long nose and large spinner.)
I would'nt mind having a warbird, but in DCS, to have the settings matching the warbirds, we have to pay for the France map and WW2 assets. And those planes are from different period of WW2. In IL-2 (I have IL-2 Cliffs of Dover BLITZ edition), you have loads of plane of the same date, the map, and assets for a very low price... If as you say the warbird flight model is far better in DCS World, maybe I will eventually get myself a Spitfire, but I'm still pretty much esitating about getting the map and assets.
Anyway, thanks for the video.
You have actually a 50% cut price on almost all the shop.
The WWII bundle with the map & asset at 30$ : www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/bundles/normandy_and_wwii_assets_pack_bundle/
The Spitfire and all other warbirds are at 25$ : www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/spitfire/
I'd say the main reason for comparable horse power between the Spitfire and the Mustang, is they both used the RR Merlin engine.
Sure there were variations in supercharging and other attributes, but the core of both aircraft was the engine.
The climbing differences between the two, may have been wing loading to a point. But the weight between the two was nearly a ton difference, the Spitfire being the lighter of the two.
For the gunsight crosshair in the Spitfire, it seems there would be an adjustment for that, by raising up in the seat.
Many sims have such adjustments. It wouldn't make sense to put such a large reflector in front of you and then fix the sight to the bottom of it.
I think the ONLY aircraft that would have a similar turn capability, would be the Japanese 'Mitsubishi Zero.'
In true 'Cap fashion,' you went and broke the bloody Spit!
Those .50 cals on the Mustang sound amazing.
the K4 was withOUT MW50. 2,000hp with.
i think the climbrate is explained by 2,000hp, lightweight and large displacement engine with a lot of torque.
Fun fact - only the most experienced pilots dogfighted Spitfires. With the leading edge slats deployed, the 109 was turning just as well as the Spits. Marseille was famous with that.
10:17 The date for the Focke Wulf A-8 is April 1944, not 1941. The A-1 and A-2 models came out in '41.
I'm new to Cap of the Grim Reapers. So far, every video I've seen is top-notch, absolutely brilliant! Thanks to Cap for this amazing review of all the Warbirds. I only have the P51 and was thinking I'd getting others, so Cap helped tremendously! However..."flight model, absolutely beautiful. 4 and a half outta 5."
What more would be needed for a 5?
I guess a 5 would mean that it would feel great and have no little problems/annoyances at all.
@@grimreapers Thanks for taking your valuable time to answer that, Cap. I wasn't expecting you, but rather others who know you and have followed you for a long time.
Again, Cheers on all your content! I'm addicted!
Wait, did I miss the Gazelle review?
I want to speak to the developer about the flight model before I do a review.
I was messing with the gazelle lady night, and even with a super precise hotas like the Thrustmaster Warthog and VKB rudder peddles I had to put a 20 curve and 60 saturation (If I recall correctly) just to make it flyable for me.
I love everything else about it, but something funky is going on with how sensitive it is
@@grimreapers Understood, thanks.
54:48 made me lol ;)
Ive noticed that the attitude indicator on the TF-51 gets out of adjustment and needs to be caged and uncaged fairly regularly during level flight to keep it "accurate." Indeed from what Ive seen in this video, that seems to be the case for most of the warbirds. Any ideas why?
Just a historical titbit that might be of interest to some. The Spitfire E B B, shown in your list is actually a Griffon powered Mk XII. I recognized it as a Griffon Spitfire by the huge spinner and longer nose.
Yes you are right, that is certainly not a Mk9, it's definately a Griffon (Mk22?)
Thanks for the video. I plan on downloading DSC world when my Skytech Chronos arrives next week.
Wow. One hour and 40 minutes!. Nice.
There's nothing better than watching the IL-2 sessions with massive furballs and dogfights.
I know the range means it doesn't need them, but the Mustang's drop tanks don't hold fuel in DCS. It's not modelled properly. It's a shame because it would be nice to have the option to have a light fuel load in the main tanks.
I thinking for armament it would be better to compare something like the mass out of weapons per seconds.
Also wing loading should be replaced by dynamics parameters like roll rate, instantaneous and sustained turn, since it is a design parameter but not an objective per se.
Pure lead mass measure wouldn't represent the destructive power of german HE.
@@bjornriedel9886 Agreed but don't you find it be better than just adding the caliber mm ??? Or then add the armor-piercing capability at 300m...
"[German] cockpits weren't good enough" while describing the plane type flown by the highest scoring fighter pilots in history...
The cockpits were fine, even good. The problem is visibility, or lack there of. While Bf109 and especially Fw190 introduced better visibility canopies later on, they were never true bubble canopies.
Having the highest scoring fighter pilots had little to do with the cockpit. I’m sure you must know that.
German pilots had such high records because they never stopped flying pretty much. They payed the price for it though when they lost most of their experienced pilots late in the war.
GET SOME! Is that some kind of saying you dont think about? Great video btw 😄
I believe the FW190A that you were flying in the review is actualy a late model aircraft,944 I believe. It was mentioned in the review that it was a early war plane and hard to compete with the other laer model war birds. Perhaps I misunderstood..correct me if I am in error. Really enjoyed the review though...great job Cap!
dont forget to use rudder when you roll warbiords, and pre fbw jets too including the tomcat
Roger I really do need to learn this.
@@grimreapers it makes a huge difference and you'll wonder how you ever flew without it.
How do I fly with you guys?
That depends on the bird. For example, the Spitfire has highly harmonized control inputs. I’m being a bit pedantic, but I also spent years working with A2A on these birds.
Just to say at 03:10 the Merlin 66 War Emergency Power was 2050 hp, not 1705 hp. Also at 04:00 the maximum rate of climb around 5500ft per min. The P51 is not considered the best all round fighter of the war, only Americans say that because it was their best fighter. At 07:10, i think the word you were looking for was 'maths'.
As a person who knows A LOT about ww2 aircraft I approve this
Btw Can you do reviews on mod aircraft?
I hadn't thought about that. CAn you send me a list of relevant mod A/C to look at please?
Oh, I don’t know if any mods are good or bad. You’ll have to make a poll or something
Jesus
I knew something was off with the Polikarpov dimensions...no way it was longer than any of the other warbirds. Switch length and wingspan and it will be correct.
Hi, I’m quite new to sim flying and I enjoy and appreciate your videos. Question is is steam better than the stand-alone version?I fly using quest 2. Cheers
I belive the k-4 has more horsepower because it seems the boost fuel stuff was off but it’s been a while so I could be wrong but I never heard the huge change in sound
Hi Cap. WW2 assets is needed for missions to fly with them? or can i just buy one module. there are on good sale now. but i cant make my mind buying gulf map, F16 or a classic plane :)
don't need WW2 assets.
some one needs to make a P-38L
Being English you'd think my favourite would be the Spitfire but I've got a soft spot for the Mustang..my favourite to fly
Spitfire was early war.. beautiful for the time! 😍
#23:32 you might know this but because of the direction the propeller is spinning it naturally rolls to the right
thx yeh just learned this a few days ago
But the Russians had to do everything backwards
Im pretty sure that the p51D has 1400hp, not ~1700. Both searching up the plane on wikipedia and checking chucks guide indicates the lower number. It also does feel like it pulls worse then the other warbirds, so i recon 1400 is correct.
The Spit has the same power as the Mustang because it is a later spec Mk9, from March 1943.
thx
Doesn’t adding some left rudder counteract the propellor pulling you to the right?
The A8 is a late-war model from 1944
55:56 Petroleum Bohren right there! :)
HAHA yes ..as ww2 german pilots would say!
A high level AI Dora can easily out-turn a Mustang, and it climbs straight upwards like a bloody rocket. I wish the Mustang had a bit more powerful engine, and a bit more lift on the wings, that way it would have been beyond superb.
so basically the P51-H
"All modules except warbirds...." and Christen Eagle and Yak!
True, Gazelle is missing, too!
Not really much I can say about CEII and yak? They can errr fly, and errr land? Refusing to do Gazelle until the makers come and talk to me about flight model.
@@grimreapers just saying.... without them your 'buyer's guide to dcs modules' won't be complete
Grim Reapers A4E review also?
amazing video cap o7
Whereas I generally agree with the OP statements, and those below, the data here is really cherry picking. Perhaps it is due to the lack of features with each module in DCS, but they exclude important things like German drop tanks to extend range, the ability to maintain energy[think speed and maneuvering], and actual roll rate [which is different than the wing load], and stated elsewhere the mass of the rounds fired[and rate of fire].
A lot the dates of introduced for service are incorrect. Others have posted as such below.
This is a great format for going through the DCS warbirds, but perhaps some additional time can be taken to correct some of the information, and compare apples to apples. I bet you would see quite a few changes based on performance that would change most of the ratings you have posted.
I note the specification differences between the two FW-190 models, but from a commercial marketing perspective, why offer two so similar-looking planes? What was the niche that the first FW wasn’t meeting? Am sure many other models could have been offered that would have drawn FW and German aircraft fans as well.
Well I think it's more of a case of which planes the developers can get the necessary access to for making the mods. I get the feeling that they take what they can get.
The FW-190A ("Anton") is one of the most famous fighters of WWII, much more important to the war than the Dora. I also think they were looking to offer a historical match for the Spitfire Mk.IX. There are campaigns like "The Big Show" where they can retrofit the A-8 to replace the D-9. That way if you want 1942-1943 battles, it can be Spitfire IX vs A-8. 1944+ you can do P-51D vs D-9 or K-4. Hopefully they'll add the Spitfire Mk.XIV in the medium future to give the RAF an 1944-1945 option.
12:08 I think the DB-605DC engine used in the 109 k4 has over 2000hp
Interesting. It does feel like 2000hp
@@grimreapers DCS K4 have 1850 or something like that.
Errors. The Spitfire can load 2x250+ 500 not 3x250. Should've mentioned the lockable tail wheel of the P-51. The main reason why the P-51 is an order of magnitude easier to takeoff and land than all the others. Maybe the Dora is easy too, don't have the Dora.
I'm disappointed you chickened out of landing the I-16. I had the popcorn ready. It's at least as 'interesting' as the Spitfire.
Using flaps at 20-30 degrees makes the I-16 pitch neutral which eases the landing a bit. Full flaps 50 degrees, it'll pitch up for no real advantage.
Hauling up the gear took so long because you exceeded 200 km/h. It's 41 turns IIRC. Below 200 km/h it turns much faster.
Your not sure if it's Allison or a Merlin? Jeeez. I'm on a WarBirds forum where you'd be banned for that... Only the early P-51 in smaller numbers had Allisons. Really quickly both sides of the pond people thought "lets put a Merlin in and see what happens".
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Could you (or anyone else reading) tell me where the island used in this video is? Thank you.
Tumb island probably
Highly recommend IL-2 Moscow or later for warbirds. You lose clickable cockpits but what you gain is an unbeatable flightmodel, damage model, engine physics and I might say GRAPHICS. If that doesnt win you over, the amount of variants of aircraft and the fact that every kind of setup is realistically detailed (gun sights, armament, fuel, engines) should. Worth a look for us WW2 fans.
These are famtastic videos. Can you please update them? As there have been a lot of changes to these + the jets as of end of 2021
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So with this, we're missing the Gazelle, the Yak, the CE2, and the free aircraft that don't really need a "buyer's" guide but which Cap said he'd cover separately (at least covering the Su-25 / Su-25T). Anything else?
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Would love to see the Lavochkin 7 or Yakovlev 3 (later war variants for Yak 3 to be somewhat on par with P-51, D-9, etc. maybe some of the Griffon version spitfires too
How does the free P-51 compare to the one you reviewed here in terms of the flight model?
Identical pretty much.
I really want to get into DCS, but..... I'm a WWII kind of chap, and find this all too frustrating. There really isn't much in the way for an apple's Vs apple"s situation. The Fw 190 A8 was heavily Armoured to go up against the Heavy's, what about an A4, A5 or A6. Come on, a K4??? what about the Gustav's or Emil's. The K4 come out with the last dying breath of the Third Reich. Back in '45 a Spit Mk IX pilot would not have had a good day if he came across a D-9 or K-4, a Tempest pilot on the other hand?
As for wing loading, this is not the be all and end all of turning in a dogfight. Many aircraft had a varying turn rate at different altitudes. You meet the wrong aircraft at the wrong altitude and you wont be having a discussion about wing loading. Could a P-47 out turn a Bf 109 ? Yes it could, Could a Bf 109 out turn a P 47? Yes it could. See, it can get a little scientific (I still cannot work it all out), but after watching some guy called Greg (Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles) It became very clear.
Btw, the P 51 was up there in the whole laminar flow wing thing, but it did not have a laminar flow wing.
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Wonder if spitfire blowing has to do with its fueling problems and being carbureted and not direct port injected…they were notorious for icing the carb bowls and going lean in climbs etc
I hope youre gona do the turn rate tests and all the kinetic tests you did with the jets for the warbirds
Yes it's on the TO DO list, somewhere near the bottom tho :)
@@grimreapers oh that list lol
Have you ever added the P-47 to that list? I'd love to see how it would compare
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Well... Just saying the first table with the caracteristics of the planes is soooo wrong. Mistakes everywhere I dont know where did you get those.
I dont know about the rest of the video because how it started
I do not fully agree with what you mentioned with the highlights, you do mention the pure performance figures but you forget to mention that for example both fw 190's have really good high speed manoeuvrability and the 109 does not have that at all. Also the 190 A8 does have very good durability which you also forgot to mention, ofcourse it doesn't perform like the other warbirds but performance figures do not complete the picture.
Spit too fast climb is carb issue. 109s' were injected.
p-51 and spitefire used the same merlin engine... so the hp should be the same.
2 years difference, different reference planes, exhaust and cooling.. I bet no planes were identical.
On the ground sure, but at different altitudes huge differences. Greg's airplanes and automobiles has an amazing amount of info here on UA-cam look him up.
Hi.. I'm new in WW2. What plane do you recommend me to buy?. The 109 4k or the P47D?. Thanks
109 for dogfight. 47 for ground attack.
Why are all the planes in us markings