Erich Hartmann had really liked the jet when flying it for the Luftwaffe. Praise from the greatest ace of WW2 has to be worth something for a fighter jet.
Fun Sabre trivia: in 1966,US Tactical Air Command evaluated it in close-in, 1v1 combat against all the aircraft it had in inventory at the time (F-100, F-101, F-104C, F-105, F-4). They called this "Operation Feather Duster", you can find the pdf with the full report online.They concluded that only the F-104, F-4 or an extremely well flown F-100 could compete with it in a dogfight, and only if they kept their speed above Mach 0.9. It really is one of the greatest aircraft to ever fly. Edit: also imo, the best part of the FM of this aircraft is the uninduced roll you get when getting close to Mach 1. Flying at that speed really feels like the jet is going "nop nop nop not a good idea nop!"
Not sure if anyone's interested but, Mr Bob Hoover was the Chief test pilot for this a/c for North American Aviation. There's video of him shooting the nose off his a/c, not sure if he was shooting the gun or a rocket but it was pretty impressive non the less!!! He tells a story of going over to Korea when some of the crews were complaining about the a/c's performance, they prepped a plane for him and he refused it! He asked the a/c mechanics and pilots for the worst performing plane on the ramp, told them to fuel it up and that's the one for he'd take... He flew the wings off of it and the complaints from the crews stopped ;-) He also went over when a high ranking pilot complained that the a/c was so bad that they'd been trying to bomb a bridge and not one of the a/c could hit it! Mr Hoover tagged along as the lead pilot started his run with Mr Hoover on his wing, the lead dropped his bomb (he thought he'd dropped his bomb but it was still on his plane, he hadn't armed the system) Mr Hoover destroyed the bridge in one mission!!! I hope that anyone interested in the history of the F-86 to please go check out some of Mr Hoovers youtube videos, he truly was The Greatest Stick and Rudder Pilot... Ever!!! :-) I probably screwed up some of the facts in these stories but if you go check out those vids, you'll be really glad you did! Take care Reapers!!! :-)
Everytime you put out one of these videos it gives me the initiative to hop back in these planes...I forget just how good they are. A big thanks to you Cap.
The radar gunsight is super accurate if setup correctly with gunsight settings in the circle thing down behind the stick. It’s almost as accurate as a modern jet. If set correctly and isn’t easy for snap shots. You have to follow the specific bomb run
Great points you raise about sounds effects to help convey "seat-of-the-pants" feel. I hope this concept is always considered with all DCS modules. Now after all that switch flicking, the next person to pilot that plane is going the have a fun time preflighting it :D
I got this for the Museum Relics campaign. There was a promo clip of a SEAD mission where your F-86 is flying alongside NATO operated Tornados. I can't help but imagine the mission setup for is the Tornado pilots say: _"There are enemy SAM missile sites located at waypoint ALPHA. Hey, guy in the F-86!! Why don't you go fly ahead of us and draw-the...I mean "DISTRACT" them while we deal with the missile launcher & radar sites"_
Hey Cap! When ‘accidentally’ retract the landing gear while on the ground, you should also test ‘going full throttle/belly takeoff.’ No scientific or research reasons...it would just be funny. And that’s what matters, right? Great series, as always, Cap!
Keep it up Cap, love your guide's, in the end it's up to the individual to buy or not to buy. But this is better than the devs graphical showcases of the aircrafts in question! Wish these types of reviews could be done before release surely the devs would have none of that! I agree with you totally on the sound feed back issues and the importance of it! I'm an old bugger and the sounds really do help or hinder depending on airframe! I know you love the sim, but its good to see your not a commercial fanboy! I appreciate a good honest opinion! All the best cousin!
Thoroughly enjoying this series. I personally value your opinions. I have nearly all of the modules and haven't flown some....yet. Thanks for doing this👍
I'm not sure but i think this one was made by Belsimtek not ED, just like the MiG-15 that's why this and MiG-15 .. best blacking out stuff planes. You get an awesome effect for hypoxia too. ALSO a must try in the MiG 15 and probably in this on too is to let yourself get hit by a missile or heavy AAA fire and survive. It's awesome. BAM canopy shattered, tinnitus in your ears black and white blurred view combined with red(if i remember correctly) ..all kinds of side effects, after tinnitus fades heavy breathing and blurred sound that slowly comes to normal.. you can REALLY feel that you have been hurt and something BAD is happening to your body not like in the other modules where you just hear a metal spank outside and/or black screen. In this one ... when you get hit for the first time.. you will really feel the real meaning of DCS panic. Oh .. getting hit and live through it .. one of my favorite things to do in the 15 :)
Thanks for the very recent update on the F86F... there is a campaign by Reflected for Sabre and presumably the Mig 15 arriving soon (Spudknocker) ...saw mission 1 and it looks great! Will check out your Mig review also. thanks again
This old school jet is also somewhat like a trainer yet is combat capable for coldwar battles. I have flown her and her 50 cals are nothing to sneeze at if they keep firing at you with it’s computer targeting system.
As my father told the story, he was forced back into Active Duty and Had to fly these things over in Korea. My mothers version was a bit different. Dad was recalled to active duty to train new F86 pilots in fighter combat tactics. What I recall is his offhand comments about wishing he could Restore an F86 to flying condition and how much fun it would be to fly it again.
This really is a great series. I'm really looking forward to the Mig-19 video when you're able to get to it, since that is the next one I'm looking to pick up before eventually wading into the warbirds. Though I think you've inadvertently talked me into getting the F-5 too, lol. I thought that was going to be a little too new for my tastes, but after your video on it, I can see I was wrong. I like the modern stuff, don't get me wrong. But my interests lie more with the older aircraft where the pilot is flying, not the computer.
The FM section of those reviews should be removed. Basing them solely on your “feeling” is arbitrary and subjective. How something "feels" to someone is different from person to person, based on different experience, expectations (right or wrong) and thousands of other things. Butting a Flight Model Section in those reviews based on your personal feelings is therefor both misleading to the thousands of viewers as well as unfair to the developer of the Modules.
@@grimreapers To further explain this, let me give you 2 examples. Back before I knew better, if someone would have asked me if a F-15 could fly with one wing missing. I would have said I dont think so. My feeling would have been that there would be to much of a difference in lift created on the two sides to keep control of the plane. And for most planes that would have been true. But in that case my expectation did not meet reality, because my expectation were based on a too shallow understanding of the Aerodynamics involved. Second example. Back before I knew better, if someone would have asked me where to put the Aim-9 and where to but the Aim-120 on the wing of an F-16, I would have said the Aim-9 on the wingtips and the Aim-120 under the wing. That would have made most sense to me, it should have put less stress on the wings having the lighter Aim-9s out on the tips and improved the roll-rate having the heavier 120s closer to the center of gravity. But again, in reality things were the other way around. My understanding of the forces involved was not sufficient to expect the right outcome. Even though it seemed obvious. Thats why you have to be careful with feelings and expectations. Even if you have a basic understanding of physics and aerodynamics, the Devil is often in the Details. That is hard to predict even for experts in the field. But, DCS is meant to represent the Planes as close to the real thing as possible, and sometimes that means an Aircraft behaves very different than you expect in a certain situation.
Cap makes it pretty clear that he's not judging the flight model per se but the feeling of weight, momentum etc. Seems like a fair angle to tackle the topic.
I don’t agree. I haven’t ever used the F-5 but I can use the F-86 system and hit what I’m aiming at, but I’ve seen others use the F-5 and they would need to do maths to be accurate.
They need to drop the price on some of these old modules cause they are too expensive for what they are then once they update them they will try to charge us again like the A10
We have a museum near here that has an F-86 that they fly for airshows, so we could theoretically get an answer on this one's accuracy on the flight model. I'd be curious to know what they use to keep the pilot current, as it doesn't get flown outside of their airshow very much.
I've always wondered why all of your modules look so much worse on UA-cam. They look about the same as when I'm on my laptop vs plugging into my 4k tv and turning the settings to ultra, it's a huge difference.
Some kind of spread sheet on all these modules would be handy. Itd make it easier for me to figure out as a new player which ones may suit me when it comes to learning them from easiest or most noob friendly
I believe the machineguns are actually the M3 browning (not M2). The M3 was in short an M2 Browning modified to achieve a higher firerate (from 800rpm to 1200rpm according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning#Features)
One big F86 problem has been the guns. Started out with too low a muzzle velocity leading to the trajectory in relation to the reticle being wrong and reduced target effects. Then they started jamming ( yes really ) because the gun heating simulation was all to cock and they'd freeze up at altitude. Not sure what their current state is, maybe fixed. I don't fly it on line so I just installed the mod that gives it 4 cannon instead.
@@ayylmao9697 indeed from 850-1300 decent increase. I'm the weirdo that uses mid gun only till they are dry then switches to all guns to extend my firing time.
I am confused by the rating system. I mean, for me, I'd think 5/5 would be "in the top 20%" not "absolute perfection" or "the best plane in DCS." The most annoying and persistent bug with the F-86 is the cockpit engine sound going away in the middle of a flight. It happens about half the time for many players if you fly it for more than 15 minute missions. Otherwise, though... this is a really solid module. I wish we had more "period" aircraft / ground equipment to go with it, but at least (as I recall) the MiG-15 came out at pretty close to the same time to provide a pretty good match-up.
Are the missiles of the F-86 really that bad or is it possible to hit maneuvering targets by adding enough lead? I have found out in the Viggen, that when your lead is good enough, you do not even need a lock to hit a turning target.
@@rwhunt99 Yeah, I know the difference between rockets and missiles. When I was writing about hitting a target without a lock, I actually meant that the missile can lock the target after its launch. Sometimes you have to give so much lead for your missile that you loose lock in the Viggen. I do not know how the Viggen missile performs compared to the F-86 though. In my case it was a newer version of the sidewinder.
From my experience, anything more than a 3G maneuver is a no go for the AIM9s on the F86. They’re really only good for nailing someone who doesn’t know you’re there.
Pioneering tech of the 50s ? They had gyro Gunsites in the P47, And p 51s... well the late ones.... Dont think the Germans had them.. then again, they had every thing elce in WWII.. the mig and saber are a great match up, The mig has better engine, doesn't leave a long smoke trail. The mig uses centrifugal Jet, vs the sabers Axiel Flow... The saber Is better below 20000 ft. Or 6-7 k meters. Its Got Hydraulic boosted Control surfaces.! The mig does better Past 20k feet.. Its a bomber hunter so..... All the mig pilot has to do is, execute a climbing turn, and no saber can follow. Eventually the saber will stall.. then mig has bigger wider wings, which give it lift to 50k, but kill its roll rater especially down low. The Non boosted surfaces dont help either.. And the migs guns ... well its a mixed bag but I personally hate then.... Itsnsthe same Russian fighter doctrine from before WW2, and during. Ie, Theirnplanes Carry no God dam ammo! The Saber is opposite, the yanks saw cannon as too heavy for air use ( wrong) And while The 50 cal guns could fire all day. It'll take that long to bring down a Stubborn mig, or God forbid a heavy bomber.. the Germans found the best balance. They had favorite wwii planes.. Cept they couldn't operate up high.. Butbas guns and armament go.. give me a butcher bird.
The Sabre was always a beautiful looking aircraft. One of those timeless beauties. A bit like a classic Corvette.
Erich Hartmann had really liked the jet when flying it for the Luftwaffe. Praise from the greatest ace of WW2 has to be worth something for a fighter jet.
This is a great series. Enjoying the look at modules that I don’t fly.
Fun Sabre trivia: in 1966,US Tactical Air Command evaluated it in close-in, 1v1 combat against all the aircraft it had in inventory at the time (F-100, F-101, F-104C, F-105, F-4). They called this "Operation Feather Duster", you can find the pdf with the full report online.They concluded that only the F-104, F-4 or an extremely well flown F-100 could compete with it in a dogfight, and only if they kept their speed above Mach 0.9. It really is one of the greatest aircraft to ever fly.
Edit: also imo, the best part of the FM of this aircraft is the uninduced roll you get when getting close to Mach 1. Flying at that speed really feels like the jet is going "nop nop nop not a good idea nop!"
Everytime you say buyer´s guide, I understand bias guide ;)
I tought he always said bias too!
Not sure if anyone's interested but, Mr Bob Hoover was the Chief test pilot for this a/c for North American Aviation. There's video of him shooting the nose off his a/c, not sure if he was shooting the gun or a rocket but it was pretty impressive non the less!!! He tells a story of going over to Korea when some of the crews were complaining about the a/c's performance, they prepped a plane for him and he refused it! He asked the a/c mechanics and pilots for the worst performing plane on the ramp, told them to fuel it up and that's the one for he'd take... He flew the wings off of it and the complaints from the crews stopped ;-) He also went over when a high ranking pilot complained that the a/c was so bad that they'd been trying to bomb a bridge and not one of the a/c could hit it! Mr Hoover tagged along as the lead pilot started his run with Mr Hoover on his wing, the lead dropped his bomb (he thought he'd dropped his bomb but it was still on his plane, he hadn't armed the system) Mr Hoover destroyed the bridge in one mission!!! I hope that anyone interested in the history of the F-86 to please go check out some of Mr Hoovers youtube videos, he truly was The Greatest Stick and Rudder Pilot... Ever!!! :-) I probably screwed up some of the facts in these stories but if you go check out those vids, you'll be really glad you did! Take care Reapers!!! :-)
Everytime you put out one of these videos it gives me the initiative to hop back in these planes...I forget just how good they are. A big thanks to you Cap.
The radar gunsight is super accurate if setup correctly with gunsight settings in the circle thing down behind the stick. It’s almost as accurate as a modern jet. If set correctly and isn’t easy for snap shots. You have to follow the specific bomb run
Dammit! the more I watch these reviews the more I want to buy more planes... Shhh! I think the wife's coming...
I love these early jet fighters. The engine in the central fuselage makes the pilot look like he's straddled atop the engine like he's riding a horse.
Great points you raise about sounds effects to help convey "seat-of-the-pants" feel. I hope this concept is always considered with all DCS modules. Now after all that switch flicking, the next person to pilot that plane is going the have a fun time preflighting it :D
I just recently got this & the Mig 15. & I think they are awesome. It’s a plane you have to fly well to get the most out of it great fun.
I got this for the Museum Relics campaign. There was a promo clip of a SEAD mission where your F-86 is flying alongside NATO operated Tornados. I can't help but imagine the mission setup for is the Tornado pilots say:
_"There are enemy SAM missile sites located at waypoint ALPHA. Hey, guy in the F-86!! Why don't you go fly ahead of us and draw-the...I mean "DISTRACT" them while we deal with the missile launcher & radar sites"_
Good purchase! The campaign is obviously not realistic at all, but it's very very fun.
@@TLTeo I really got it because the promo shot of the F-86 pulling up in formation alongside F-15's behind AWACS....Really tugs at the heart!!
Hey Cap! When ‘accidentally’ retract the landing gear while on the ground, you should also test ‘going full throttle/belly takeoff.’
No scientific or research reasons...it would just be funny. And that’s what matters, right?
Great series, as always, Cap!
Dam, you are soooo correct there...
This module rocks! It handles beautifully, and it's just wonderful as a precursor to the BVR combat age.
Keep it up Cap, love your guide's, in the end it's up to the individual to buy or not to buy. But this is better than the devs graphical showcases of the aircrafts in question! Wish these types of reviews could be done before release surely the devs would have none of that! I agree with you totally on the sound feed back issues and the importance of it! I'm an old bugger and the sounds really do help or hinder depending on airframe! I know you love the sim, but its good to see your not a commercial fanboy! I appreciate a good honest opinion! All the best cousin!
Thoroughly enjoying this series. I personally value your opinions. I have nearly all of the modules and haven't flown some....yet. Thanks for doing this👍
This was going to be my first jet purchase. Now you’ve helped me to make an informed decision rather than just buying it because it’s “really cool”.
I'm not sure but i think this one was made by Belsimtek not ED, just like the MiG-15 that's why this and MiG-15 .. best blacking out stuff planes. You get an awesome effect for hypoxia too.
ALSO a must try in the MiG 15 and probably in this on too is to let yourself get hit by a missile or heavy AAA fire and survive. It's awesome.
BAM canopy shattered, tinnitus in your ears black and white blurred view combined with red(if i remember correctly) ..all kinds of side effects, after tinnitus fades heavy breathing and blurred sound that slowly comes to normal.. you can REALLY feel that you have been hurt and something BAD is happening to your body not like in the other modules where you just hear a metal spank outside and/or black screen.
In this one ... when you get hit for the first time.. you will really feel the real meaning of DCS panic.
Oh .. getting hit and live through it .. one of my favorite things to do in the 15 :)
If I remeber correctly Sabre and MiG-15 as for the F-5 are all Belsimtek....and very good modules!
Yes a tremendous series!! Thanks for all your work all of us!!
Another great review. Complete with canopy ejection. Lol. The streak continues.
Thanks for the very recent update on the F86F... there is a campaign by Reflected for Sabre and presumably the Mig 15 arriving soon (Spudknocker) ...saw mission 1 and it looks great! Will check out your Mig review also. thanks again
This old school jet is also somewhat like a trainer yet is combat capable for coldwar battles. I have flown her and her 50 cals are nothing to sneeze at if they keep firing at you with it’s computer targeting system.
As my father told the story, he was forced back into Active Duty and Had to fly these things over in Korea. My mothers version was a bit different. Dad was recalled to active duty to train new F86 pilots in fighter combat tactics. What I recall is his offhand comments about wishing he could Restore an F86 to flying condition and how much fun it would be to fly it again.
Great review (again!).
Never remarked that the lights above the exhaust would shine according to the engine output.
This really is a great series. I'm really looking forward to the Mig-19 video when you're able to get to it, since that is the next one I'm looking to pick up before eventually wading into the warbirds. Though I think you've inadvertently talked me into getting the F-5 too, lol. I thought that was going to be a little too new for my tastes, but after your video on it, I can see I was wrong. I like the modern stuff, don't get me wrong. But my interests lie more with the older aircraft where the pilot is flying, not the computer.
The FM section of those reviews should be removed. Basing them solely on your “feeling” is arbitrary and subjective.
How something "feels" to someone is different from person to person, based on different experience, expectations (right or wrong) and thousands of other things.
Butting a Flight Model Section in those reviews based on your personal feelings is therefor both misleading to the thousands of viewers as well as unfair to the developer of the Modules.
@@panzerd18 DCS Module Buyer Guide Review
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hmmm tough one that boys. I'll have a think about it.
@@grimreapers To further explain this, let me give you 2 examples.
Back before I knew better, if someone would have asked me if a F-15 could fly with one wing missing. I would have said I dont think so. My feeling would have been that there would be to much of a difference in lift created on the two sides to keep control of the plane. And for most planes that would have been true. But in that case my expectation did not meet reality, because my expectation were based on a too shallow understanding of the Aerodynamics involved.
Second example.
Back before I knew better, if someone would have asked me where to put the Aim-9 and where to but the Aim-120 on the wing of an F-16, I would have said the Aim-9 on the wingtips and the Aim-120 under the wing. That would have made most sense to me, it should have put less stress on the wings having the lighter Aim-9s out on the tips and improved the roll-rate having the heavier 120s closer to the center of gravity.
But again, in reality things were the other way around. My understanding of the forces involved was not sufficient to expect the right outcome. Even though it seemed obvious.
Thats why you have to be careful with feelings and expectations. Even if you have a basic understanding of physics and aerodynamics, the Devil is often in the Details. That is hard to predict even for experts in the field.
But, DCS is meant to represent the Planes as close to the real thing as possible, and sometimes that means an Aircraft behaves very different than you expect in a certain situation.
Cap makes it pretty clear that he's not judging the flight model per se but the feeling of weight, momentum etc. Seems like a fair angle to tackle the topic.
All right, bombing can get a bit complicated, so if you want to master it, Sabre is a bit more difficult than F-5
I don’t agree. I haven’t ever used the F-5 but I can use the F-86 system and hit what I’m aiming at, but I’ve seen others use the F-5 and they would need to do maths to be accurate.
@@DoveEnigma13 Fair enough! But I still think it is more difficult to learn and perform correctly in F-86. Thank God we are all different :-)
They need to drop the price on some of these old modules cause they are too expensive for what they are then once they update them they will try to charge us again like the A10
My experience has been that the gyro works well in a sustained firing solution, like a steady lead turn.
Love it, Cap. Keep it up.
Thanks Cap!
We have a museum near here that has an F-86 that they fly for airshows, so we could theoretically get an answer on this one's accuracy on the flight model. I'd be curious to know what they use to keep the pilot current, as it doesn't get flown outside of their airshow very much.
I've always wondered why all of your modules look so much worse on UA-cam. They look about the same as when I'm on my laptop vs plugging into my 4k tv and turning the settings to ultra, it's a huge difference.
Greatest module
Some kind of spread sheet on all these modules would be handy. Itd make it easier for me to figure out as a new player which ones may suit me when it comes to learning them from easiest or most noob friendly
I believe the machineguns are actually the M3 browning (not M2). The M3 was in short an M2 Browning modified to achieve a higher firerate (from 800rpm to 1200rpm according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning#Features)
Thanks Sir!
Is there a default campaign to Sabre? If so, good enough? Tks
Diffictulty, same typo in all videos 🤣. Great videos though, and enjoy your channel!
lol right Im gunna fix that now!!!
FIXED bit late now
The biggest visual drawback of the F-86 really is the pre-shaded reflections. Esp in 2.7 it looks so much more off unfortunately.
rgr
Would be awesome if the screen greyed out during G blackout onset as well.
yup
you should bump your graphic settings a bit. every plane looks better on my pc. especially the exteriors
One big F86 problem has been the guns. Started out with too low a muzzle velocity leading to the trajectory in relation to the reticle being wrong and reduced target effects. Then they started jamming ( yes really ) because the gun heating simulation was all to cock and they'd freeze up at altitude. Not sure what their current state is, maybe fixed.
I don't fly it on line so I just installed the mod that gives it 4 cannon instead.
M3 browning higher fire rate.
Yay Cap mentions the CCRP bomb mode XD
thx
56% more dakka
@@ayylmao9697 indeed from 850-1300 decent increase. I'm the weirdo that uses mid gun only till they are dry then switches to all guns to extend my firing time.
interactivity is most important for me, hbu
I am confused by the rating system. I mean, for me, I'd think 5/5 would be "in the top 20%" not "absolute perfection" or "the best plane in DCS."
The most annoying and persistent bug with the F-86 is the cockpit engine sound going away in the middle of a flight. It happens about half the time for many players if you fly it for more than 15 minute missions. Otherwise, though... this is a really solid module. I wish we had more "period" aircraft / ground equipment to go with it, but at least (as I recall) the MiG-15 came out at pretty close to the same time to provide a pretty good match-up.
LOL (literally!) at 32:02 and beyond... not JUST ejecting the canopy this time.
"The best aircraft for blacking out"
I want to get this game so bad but it keeps saying the game is not responding
How would you rate the "early jets" in DCS? Which one to get first etc?
All v good. C-101/L39/86/15 all pretty much even in terms of quality/ability/difficulty.
"PLZ stay there don't move so i can shoot you down my missiles are useless" HAHA
Wish they'd update the interior of the module
That nuke drop technique was known as The Idiots Loop.
cool
they're M3 50 cals
Are the missiles of the F-86 really that bad or is it possible to hit maneuvering targets by adding enough lead? I have found out in the Viggen, that when your lead is good enough, you do not even need a lock to hit a turning target.
I think they are the same ones as RB24 in Vigg??
@@rwhunt99 Yeah, I know the difference between rockets and missiles. When I was writing about hitting a target without a lock, I actually meant that the missile can lock the target after its launch. Sometimes you have to give so much lead for your missile that you loose lock in the Viggen.
I do not know how the Viggen missile performs compared to the F-86 though. In my case it was a newer version of the sidewinder.
From my experience, anything more than a 3G maneuver is a no go for the AIM9s on the F86. They’re really only good for nailing someone who doesn’t know you’re there.
Pioneering tech of the 50s ? They had gyro Gunsites in the P47, And p 51s... well the late ones.... Dont think the Germans had them.. then again, they had every thing elce in WWII.. the mig and saber are a great match up, The mig has better engine, doesn't leave a long smoke trail. The mig uses centrifugal Jet, vs the sabers Axiel Flow... The saber Is better below 20000 ft. Or 6-7 k meters. Its Got Hydraulic boosted Control surfaces.! The mig does better Past 20k feet.. Its a bomber hunter so..... All the mig pilot has to do is, execute a climbing turn, and no saber can follow. Eventually the saber will stall.. then mig has bigger wider wings, which give it lift to 50k, but kill its roll rater especially down low. The Non boosted surfaces dont help either.. And the migs guns ... well its a mixed bag but I personally hate then.... Itsnsthe same Russian fighter doctrine from before WW2, and during. Ie, Theirnplanes Carry no God dam ammo! The Saber is opposite, the yanks saw cannon as too heavy for air use ( wrong) And while The 50 cal guns could fire all day. It'll take that long to bring down a Stubborn mig, or God forbid a heavy bomber.. the Germans found the best balance. They had favorite wwii planes.. Cept they couldn't operate up high.. Butbas guns and armament go.. give me a butcher bird.
Wat jet has the best turn rate for dogfight
Thank you
ua-cam.com/play/PL3kOAM2N1YJckRn5zYZA7EZP9Bn7LbEQw.html Best sustained turn rate for modern fighters currently is FA-18C at 22º/sec
I always somehow hear it as "Bias guide" 😅 hehehe
Yeh it turns out to be almost imposs to be completely un-biased. But it's the best I can give.
@@grimreapers 😅 No no it's unbiased....I only meant I always somehow hear your pronunciation of "Buyers" as "Bias" 😈
It's not a Buyer Guide til Cap accidentally blows the canopy
agreed
@@grimreapers Love ya videos, and love ya vibe Cap.