10 Most MISCAST WWE Babyfaces
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- While it might be great basking in the adulation of millions, to forge that connection with the audience and get over to that extent is far easier said than done. Sometimes it has to do with what can be quite blatant miscasting, as someone who's more fit to play a sneering, dastardly rule breaker is tasked with eliciting cheers and garnering sympathy. This can result in the miscast performer getting the wrong kind of heat and can be a serious setback in a wrestler's career...
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Tbh, I think Roman could be a good face, but making him a Cena clone was definitely not the way to do it. Getting dominated 90% of the match, only to come back with a superman punch and spear for the win. Also those corny promos. If they wanna book him as a face in the future, just use the Undertaker's template. Make him that dominant, ass kicking destroyer that will beat you up, face or heel
They should have made him a badass instead of having him saying things from Looney Tunes and magic beans!
He’ll be that kind of face again sooner rather than later . I imagine once he loses the title it’ll be less than a year until he becomes a mega face again
He was an over face as part of The Shield. Instead of keeping him as a sardonic, man-of-few-words type who kicked your ass, as you say, they made him a Cena clone. Even going so far as giving him blue-eyed contact lenses, it was SO bad. The guy has had so many wasted years of fans not taking to him purely because Vince couldn't admit he was fucking things up with him.
I agree. The problem with babyface Roman is that instead of booking him like Austin or goldberg, they booked him like Hogan and cena. Nobody wanted another bland, goody two shoes hero. People wanted a samoan badass that destroys people every week. They should have abandoned the "cena model" and just make him an anti hero. Honestly, the moments where face roman was cheered the most was when he wrecked hhh at tlc 2015, like an anti hero. I have no idea why vince was so insistent on booking him like fruity pebbles 2.0
The best description I ever heard of Roman's face booking is that they took Batman, tried to turn him into Superman, and ended up with George Clooney's version from Batman And Robin.
5:44 WWE's belief that a heel being betrayed by another heel automatically makes the betrayed heel a face without any storyline of them seeing the error of their ways didn't help.
Alberto Del Rio was an incredible heel that everyone loved to boo. His babyface run made absolutely no sense and was wisely cut short. This HAD to make the list
Yeah Del Rio turned face randomly against 3MB of all people.
@@insignificantaftermathPROJECTS Didn't he officially turn face after hitting Santa?
I'd say Triple H can definitely work well as a face, his badassery and edge keep him from becoming too sweet and cheesy like Cena did. Just look at his work in the final few years of Ruthless Aggression era, he was getting massive cheers, while still being savage on the mic and keeping his image.
And it suits him much better than the cowardly bits of his heel run.
DX were faces after HBK left in 98, not in the traditional way but similar to how Stone Cold was. Not sure how well Triple H would do as an old school babyface in the pre attitude era sense.
I think he works well as a face too, but I feel he's more of a Tweener anti-hero when he's a face like Austin. I still really liked his 2002 face run, but as a heel from 2002-2006 he was just amazing in that role.
Miz's second babyface run was pretty great in my book.
Agree but dont forget he buried SaNiTY all at once ahaha
His promo work at the start showed he could definitely pull off a great face run, it was the booking of constantly losing to Shane and others that ruined that run
Started hot, but fizzled out big time.
Yeah maybe if he could’ve won any matches at all then maybe
Not really. He had a great motivation to turn face and some potential, but it crashed and burned when he lost to Shane. After that, it was 2021/2013 all over again.
I'd like a video counting down the opposite, miscast heel turns.
number 1 stone cold
@@434444334 Yup for me another mention would be Daniel Bryan, his brief heel turn when he joined the Wyatt Family. It made no sense and he turned back immediately (maybe that was the plan all along, not sure) Now when Bryan turned on AJ, it was brilliant. Tells you how great Daniel Bryan is.
Sting 1999
Jeff hardy 2003
Is this only wwe Because I have some from other promotions
I stand by Miz's face run with Shane. I even liked the cage match finish (since it took advantage of Colonel McSweatybollocks' sweat). The only problem was how it just fizzled out afterwards.
Everybody Loves Adam... and Everybody Hates Chris.
HHH turning on HBK in 2002 started one of the best rivalries in WWE history.
No it didn't. They couldn't sell that they didn't like each other. It was a waste of time
@@jeremyjamm3131 me and pretty much every other wrestling fan disagrees but to each there own ig
@@mitchellima4736 enjoying the angle isn't the same as "one of the best rivalries in wwe history" you don't speak for everyone, hell this comment doesn't even have 30 likes. I'm pretty sure "pretty much every other wwe fan" is a stretch. Some people liked it, some people didn't. Very few rank it as an all time rivalry
@@jeremyjamm3131 it's confidently hanked as at least an honorable mention in the the greatest rilvary of all time. Also your comment wasn't it was good but not the goat, . Your said it was a waste of time. So let me rephrase then, almost every wrestling fan e joys the triple h hbk rilvary, even tho it does have its faults.
Damn, gotta respect how they have uploaded 6 TIMES in one day and the day isn’t even done!!
They ain't doing graded nowadays?
@@alicod7160 they only do it for ppvs now, same with wtf moments
Randy ORTON any year except 2015
Lmao EVERYONE LOVES MILHOUSE!! LOL
NOBODY LOVES MILHOUSE!!
The Miz second run as baby face against Shane McMahon I thought was good.
I honestly loved me some babyface Mr. Perfect. His booking was hit and miss, sadly, but that King of the Ring match with Bret, though.
.......A match in which he played the de-facto heel anyway. ;o]
I don't think the pre-match promo would've been the same if Perfect was heel. "My dad beat your dad." "YOUR DAD NEVER BEAT MY DAD!!" Classic.
@@riotd.r.8363 Your original comment referred to the match itself... That's what I responded to. (If you've not seen it for a while; check it out.... Perfect turns heel during the match and Heenan gets behind him only for Bret & Curt to shake hands at the end.)
The promo is hilarious though.... Classic bit of Mean Gene shit-stirring!
That imagine of Lex looking up at Bret and what might have been at the end of WMX says it all.
The storyline may have been naff overall, but I've always loved the video package for HHH vs Orton at Unforgiven 2004, which had Saliva's Survival of the Sickest playing. Shame Orton's babyface title run didn't work out ultimately but what an awesome way to promote the match
I liked his Face run then ngl. I think it gets overblown as bad but Orton did really well in the role and I kinda liked him more in that run than I did in 2005.
7:41 The "please like him" vignettes of his return from his quad injury were annoying. As was Triple H and Stephanie's kayfabe marriage problems a year before they married in real life which made Chris Jericho a third wheel in what was supposed to be a feud between him and HHH over the undisputed belt.
Thank You, I thought I was the only one... Almost everytime I played SmackDown! Here comes the Pain! I would play as Scott Steiner and choose SmackDown! As My Brand of choice, I also think Test and Jericho would have been great on there in 2003 as well.
You should do this list but for miscast heels
one of my favorite moments of recent wwe history is the philly crowd mercilessly booing roman after his 2015 rumble win XD
I think Roman should have been #1 for the simple reason that it took WWE 5 1/2 years to finally turn him
But on the bright side. We got to hear announcers say Honky. Something we haven't had since the Jeffersons was canceled.
Glad you said "defacto". Because I seen a defacto baby face just yesterday here on youtube. That blew my mind. This had to be a one time only event. It was amazing watching the new monster Kane battle established monster Vader. Its possible that Vader did face work in Japan(but I doubt it). But I don't recall anything close here. So watching the crowd getting behind him. Just felt strange.
I actually like the second face Miz run because it didn't overstay its welcome. He feuded with Shane, Daniel Bryan, and then The Fiend if I remember correctly. Then after facing The Fiend, he went back to being a heel with John Morrison!
I though Batista was better as an anti-hero actually. Similar to the like of Stone Cold, he'll do anything for the win, but plays up to the crowd so much they love it.
How did Pacitti know about my daily ritual of thinking in depth about the Honky Tonk Man?
because of Roman's heel run I never want face Roman in any way
MacMahon had to play face in the late 90's. His on screen antics were already being used against Linda in her early political campaigns, an she couldn't give her opponents more ammunition.
Randy Orton was crowned champion for only 1 reason. He was younger than Brock Lesnar, who at the time was billed as the youngest WWE champion in their history. When he split, they handed both titles, the literal and figurative, to Orton. With a stagnating top roster, either he or Triple H was going to have turn babyface, and it wasn't going to be Paul. Orton's first title run was one of opportunism, not of merit, which wouldn't come for a few years later. The age of champion has not been mentioned since.
Perfect wasn't the worst, it had more to do with the common problem of the blandness of all New Gen heroes.
Honky Tonk was in a holding pattern as a face like a lot of new recruits in those days. There's reason to believe he was always intended to be a heel..
It would have been hard to put HHH as a heel on his return. A short face run followed by a turn made sense.
Big Pappa Pump may be the most miscast face ever. This character, at the best, wasn't so much a heel against the roster as a heel against the mic. They took away his voice at a time where he was more injured than ever in his career, there was nothing to carry him.
For Batista, it's not that he was a face but "the" face. If he had not won the rumble and feuded with HHH at a secondary level for not-a-title, he would have been fine.
Part of the problem with Reigns as a "face" is that he's not the "big dog" in real life. He's family man Joe. Heels can be cartoon character version of themselves, evil head of the family Roman, but nowadays a face needs authenticity and the character they chose for Reigns lacked that.
Luger, like Perfect, suffered from New Gen Blah. Other than the fact that they should have just tried to give him the title and see what happens (turns out you can always switch it back anytime), the better Luger face was probably The Narcissist, good guy version who still loves himself but isn't as much of a jerk. The guys they succeeded with, Shawn, Bret, SCSA, were varying levels of not perfect, not more American than Del Wilkes.
Honky: Nope. They genuine thought his Elvis schtick would get him over as a face and that they could sell Elvis wigs etc. as merch.
Luger: The Narcissist was clearly a heel-only gimmick...... Unless you have bags of charisma to win the fans over in other way (which - unlike Perfect - Lex never had... He has always reeked of insincerity). USA-Luger was doing ok though (thanks in part to the time and place), but when the fed showed they didn't have the faith to put the belt on him fans quickly went cold on him again.
Roman Reigns has always been great. It wasn't the performer that made the product look bad, it was the product that made the performer look bad.
What about a list of wrestlers who did a great job as both heels and faces like: HBK, HHH, Taker, Kane, Big Show, Batista, Roman, Rock, Austin, Kurt, Brock, Rollins, Hogan, Jericho, Cena, Daniel Bryan, Eddie, etc.
Christian and edge
I don't blame them for trying with The Miz
Roman turning heel last year was the greatest thing in his career. His promo skills are alot better than a few years ago. He's more confident, he's more badass and he's in the zone. He should've turned heel in 2015.
Hulk Hogan
Thats the list
babyface Hogan mainstreamed professional wrestling
@@rickytpb2164 Im sorry, perhaps my joke wasn't clear. Hogan is a P.O.S. in real life but THE babyface of the 80s.
Rey Jr was a "cool heel" (as in nWo and DX style popular prankster heel) while he was in The Filthy Animals in WCW. He was over AF too.
I tend to like the Miz as a face, the only problem is that as soon as whatever storyline requires him to be a face is over, WWE seem to default back to him as a heel without much cause or fan provocation; because, to be fair, he's dynamite as a heel
I liked Miz's babyface run against Shane
Lex pre WWE was awesome. I get eaten of the greatest moves but he was a power guy. And the human torture rack was a feared move. The guy was even a Horseman for Christ's sake. Vince dropped the ball with Lex
I'm still surprised that Brock Lesnar was a face in 2015 and Miz was a face in 2012 especially the Miz one. But Miz's second babyface run was pretty amazing although he definitely should've won against Shane McMahon
The new title: Top ten worst baby faces ever
One of the most punchual faces in the business Hahaha brilliant and so true
Well to be fair The Miz could be great babyface im suprised they didn't make him into a megastar he's literally almost every where now movies, tv shows etc i figure Vince would try to milk it for all it's wroth
Thanks 👍
Kane being a face in 2005 was a bad idea on all levels.
How is Seth not on this list
randy even said he prefers to be a villian which makes sense to me
Fitting Lex Luger first feud in WWE was Mr Perfect another narrasist who was miscast as a face
Randy Orton is best as a tweener
Ah, Scott Steiner, a shot in the arm... I see
The miz didn't fail badly, he failed spectacularly.
I think Crush should have taken Hogan's spot in 93 instead of Luger. He was bigger stronger already a face and got a pretty good pop when he tried to slam yoko
....Except he was already characterised as Hawain. Hardly 'all-american hero' material.
Lex was ok..... Not great but ok.... The problem was, the character needed that Summerlam title win otherwise it was (as we saw) all down-hill from there.
To be fair they only put the title on Randy so soon because Lesnar was the youngest ever world champion and he left on bad terms so they didn't want him being recognised for anything
I dunno if I would put Triple H on this list. I think as a face he works well, but he's an amazing heel like arguably the best.
Miz wasn't miscast as a face against Shane.
He was over.
WWE just booked him to lose against Shane and ruin his momentum in favour of Reigns.
How did every iteration of babyface Charlotte Flair NOT make this list??
Shutup, the second face run that MIZ had with Shane McMahon was pretty good.
Let's not forget about Seth Rollins when they had tried the babyface run with him.
Honestly, I liked babyface Miz, I didn’t LOVE it but it was an interesting idea.
when will the top 10 toughest women’s wrestlers be made?💙
I do think of honky-tonk man everyday..... and night
Adam you used to be a face before your feud with Martin Kirby
I will always say when it comes to Roman, if they just switched the roles between him and Daniel for WM 31 he would’ve gotten over as a top babyface. Especially given what happened to Daniel with his retirement, would’ve been perfect situation for both
He wouldn't of imo it's not just the silly Daniel Bryan thing, it was the fact WWE was pushing him to the moon in ways aside from in ring, commentary was goo gooing over him, he won superstar of the year (in 2014) Punk laid it out that WWE were going full on with him being the next big face and his promos were nothing special.
To simply say Bryan caused him to not be a top face kinda renders a lot of other criticisms pointless for which I have always had about Roman as a face character. And again I was never a Shield fan so it's harder to get that person over with people when a demo doesn't even like what they came from.
LOL.... No chance! Reigns as plucky underdog face in the mold of DB would never have worked... Even less so than the psuedo-peril, Cena-booking that they did give him!
Bryan got over organically, in spite of booking (great matches AND great character work as a heel as both WHC and part of Hell No)...... Worlds apart!
What would have been most beneficial for RR would have been for HIM to be the one to break up The Shield and join The Authority as a heel and naturally let the reality of him being Vince's spoiled, golden-boy fuel the fans reactions to him from the off...... Of course, this would have been more predictable than it being Seth, but whoever assumed that role was always going to get the most juice initially, but at least he and Ambrose had enough of an all-round game to stand on their own two feet on the roster where as RR needed all the smoke and mirrors that (like his time in The Shield) a run with the authority could have afforded him.
As someone said here in the comments; it's simply harder to be a baby-face and Reigns just wasn't a good enough performer to pull it off at that point.... Even if he was just booked as a silent killer kind of baby-face.... Not having Seth & dean around him just exposed him.
How was Kane in 2005 nowhere near this list?
Cos he'd already been a pretty decent face on both 99 & 2002.
HTM takes the cake for me.
The miz is good as a heel
Well... Until he was revealed as the "Higher Power", Vince was somewhat sympathetic during the whole Corporate Ministry storyline.
Now if only there had been a proper payoff...
Can u guys do miscast for heel
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I feel like Cody Rhodes really is a great heel but he is way better as face man, he just makes things very emotional and his great storytelling will make you want to cheer him even more. Bret hart was right when he said that, "this kid got a great wrestling mind"
but he also shoots way to high for himself to handle
his promo about the us history and his daughter was extremely cringy
@@teach6882 nah man that wasn't cringy at all that was emotional. I mean...the entire wrestling business is quite cringy that is why guys like Punk, Heyman(early days) etc are regarded as "too real". Weather its wwe or aew or even NJPW, they all have that "cringe" factor. I seriously disagree
Can you do a vice versa miscast heels
Paciti narrates or we riot!
I gotta disagree with your opinion of Triple H. He's one of the few wrestlers who can make you love him one minute and hate him the next without ruining his character.
Triple H can be a face or heel and do great at both and there's only a few who can
Randy Orton(2004)
Sheamus(2011)
Alberto Del Rio(2012)
Del Rio was just shit writing...... His heel run wasn't much better tbh...... He never did anything heelish apart from bully Mysterio about a bit when he first arrived. Shame as he was a really good hand.
Scott Steiner and “baby face” doesn’t even sound right
Steiner vs lesnar would have been nothing but shoot matches. Another missed opportunity.
I loved face miz
No one was ever gonna cheer miz 😂
Miz got a lot of cheers when he and Mizis mocked Cena and Bella.
@@spaceracer23 that's like trump getting cheered for mocking Kim Jong un
Unpopular opinion: I liked Roman, Miz, and Triple H as good guys and I don’t care if you hated them.
me 2
Miz face turn wasn't a miscast,it was a MIZcast
I disagree on Triple H. He as a face from 2006-13 proved he can play both roles.
People could not help cheer for Mr perfect.
If Andrew isn't number one we riot 😄
good video
Honorable mention MVP in 2010
Coulda been good but they never did anything with him....... He showed awesome babyface fire when he had a face-off with Jack Swagger and the crowd got right behind him but they didn't even follow through with a match.
@@airfixx_8952 right that's what I'm saying
@@InkedupT-raw Perhaps...... "Miscast" means something else though....... The whole point of the video is people that don't have what it takes to be a good face.
Great stuff :)
& viva Pacitti
Randy tends to just be a better heel. Miz should definitely always be an unlikeable heel.
That is a cool and awesome
They treated the Miz real dirty in 2019. I felt bad for him.
How is John Cena not on this list?
Perhaps cos he's a damn good babyface.
Naturally you have to do the opposite. 10 times wrestlers were miscast as heels
Randy Orton and the Mr. McMahon angle forced me to stop watching wrestling.
Alberto Del Rio?????
You misspelled Bootista.
You mis-spelled Bluetista. ;o]
I will never be a Miz fan
Roman wasn’t a bad babyface. Fans were just stubborn and refused to accept that Roman was talented, all of the sudden hating him after the Shield broke up.
He was a terrible babyface.
The way they booked him as a babyface was REALLY BAD! That’s why fans hated it.
WWE had right the idea, it's HOW they did it what threw the fans off. As explained in the video, Vince was too obsessed with making Roman a Cena-Hogan type Babyface when he was clearly meant to be a Batista-Goldberg type Babyface. Let's ignore the fact that WWE though it was a good idea to book (a then-white hot) Daniel Bryan into the 2015 Rumble beforehand. According to various shoots, even Roman himself wasn't too thrilled with McMahon's booking
@@simbarocksone It's both.... He simply wasn't good enough (nor genuinely charismatic enough) to stand on his own at the top of the card as a babyface.
@@airfixx_8952 yeah that's not true troll
Roman leader of The Shield? What? Pretty sure that was Seth.
There was no leader..... If anything it was Dean (as US title holder) who was the singles guy during their original run.
Now do the opposite, miscast heels
Do a top ten black wrestler's who should have been wwe champion and TNA impact world champion.
mizcast you should be ashamed
4th
Let's be real.
Vince mishandled Roman so badly that it took cancer to save him from McMahon booking.
Fans were so happy to see Roman beat the disease that they began respecting his work ethic.
THAT'S how bad WWE mishandled Roman.
Jesus.
The fact it got to that point speaks volumes of how bad they booked Roman Reigns as a babyface.