I think you are spot on. The stuff they showed isn't feature creep, it's the building blocks that justify 1.0 being 1.0 ...this is what we've been waiting for all this time, what to expect for the finished product. We know we still have to wait, but at least we now know where the goal posts are. What they showed is the foundation and structure of keeps a large scale, complex MMO ticking over, filled with content, long term playability and sustained activity. I'm not saying it's perfect, they still have to walk the walk, but a lot of the questions the community has been asking, now has an answers. Some may not like the answers, some may love it, but at least the larger picture has been presented. Still lots to do, still lots of waiting, but they presented what needed to be presented.
No it’s not too much copium except for the Dyson prophecy 😂😅 I think CR was referring to monster hunting, crafting and base building on 12-18 months. I don’t think he was including all of 1.0 in that timeline, but regardless that would be huge, plus if you haven’t caught it the ship team teased the Pioneer on the list of ships for next year
They ain’t releasing 1.0 in 18 months, I’m guessing closer to a decade honestly 😭, it’s taking a long time but this is the only game in town like this and they are working hard to bring it to us in our life time so I’m grateful for that and I will continue to fund this ambitious project (I just hope they can achieved what they hope to bring us in a quicker time frame than I expect) the bottle neck is the technology to allow a game like this operate seamlessly and with the numbers of players to make all this possible (server meshing is still early days and requires time to develop and improve upon to achieve what we can see in these videos).
@@icemanA84 There's no rush... I'm in for the long haul, I've loved watching his ambition process grow from the start. As long as they're making steps forward, I'm happy. SC isn't my only interest, so I like that this particular project is different in that way, testing the patches, seeing the updates and enjoying like-minded folks in the community. What I don't like is games that are released and end up being SHIT, like Starfield. I don't want the McDonalds of Gaming.
If CIG was able to deliver, all of these features would be great. The space station is very far fetched not only because it would be a huge undertaking for CIG but a huge undertaking for any organization because you’re relying on people to supply this and run it. History has shown that large organizations typically do not work well and eventually conflicts will start within the organization which will cause the organization to fall apart. Imagine you bought the game only to find out the organization needs you to man the controlled deck for this space station and that’s your primary job. How boring would that be and how long would you be committed to doing that every day? It only takes a few pissed off people within an organization to crash it. Unless they make almost every single job within this space station in NPC controlled it seems like a huge waste of time and resources.
And I think they realize this. Lots of Orgs will rise and fall, and these stations are meant to be rare. It will take a well-organized organization of dedicated players to pull this off. You didn't even touch on espionage and clandestine operations from smaller organizations infiltrating a bigger org to sabotage the development of these stations. IMO these stations will not become permanent fixtures in the 'verse. And when they do fail, the org's financial hit will set them back for months, clearing the space for another org to take the top spot. Suppose an org wants to start bullying citizens in their system, acting like some space mafia. In that case, there will be enough ways for that system to band together and wipe that org out, be it actively banding together to destroy the station or just avoiding the system, which would cause a financial collapse within the system, which in turn makes the station almost impossible to maintain. Lastly, let's also remember that the law of the system may come for that station if they are breaking UEE laws. Lots of emergent gameplay opportunities will arise because of this.
@@JaggedJack1 i do assume that, but even so pyro took what? 5 years or so? If they half the development time per system and assume thats the average dev time per system we would still be 6-8 years out. So 2030-2032. But i have to say, that is an actual realistic date, by then theyll have enough time to develop and polish all those systems they talked about. And well have a lot more game to play with crafting etc before that comes out
@@JaggedJack1 Now? where is Genesis? in 4.0 something "genesis" is out? Microtech does not look anything like what was shown, Pyro for all we have seem so far does not as well.... Too far away from anything shown this CC.
@@TKanal3 The planet Pyro didn't take 5 years. Server Memory was completely consumed with Stanton. Server Meshing technology was required to solve this issue and allow us to visit new planets. Once Server Meshing and the engine is completed, content will accelerate. Pyro the planet took a very short time.
Citcon was awesome! Got a couple buds together and we stayed up all night to watch the stream live, and had a total blast. We all do game development so its really neat to see what CIG cooked up from that perspective. Putting on my player hat though, I had two major hangups. First being the starlancer completely outclassing the recently nerfed corsair and redeemer for the same price, which as a corsair fan (yes even post nerf, i'm never melting that beautiful ship) really stung. I don't dislike the starlancer, but what you get for the price really makes getting any other ship in that price range feel like a stupid decision, which generally sucks. And second how they didn't mention anything about their plans for the galaxy's base building module or lack thereof, despite it being front & center in the 2953 citcon. Like, fine go ahead and delay the galaxy, I'll live with it, but I just want to know if I'll be able to base build with the thing or not. Salt aside, the 1.0 plans were awesome. crafting was incredible. base building tying in with genesis was awesome to look at, and I'm a complete sucker for base building in anything. Org tools are going to be a game changer, especially when coupled with the guild and armor systems. There's just so much to look forward to and, despite some low points, i'm pretty optimistic about the direction.
I'm not mad at the starlancer existing despite the redeemer and corsair "nerfs" Redeemer should never have been given that sort of shielding and firepower for something slightly larger than a vanguard. Corsair nerf only meant for a solo player on a multi crew vessel. It still retains it's 4x size 5 and 2x size 4 forward firing guns. Just not for someone trying to solo it. Let's be fair engineering will nerf your solo corsair faster than losing control of 2 guns. Look at the size differences between the two ships as well. Starlancer is HUGE, 83 meters long. It's gonna be easy to catch and attack. Corsair is 52m and redeemer at 51m - though effectively the deemer vital hp and component locations are about 30m in length. I won't compare these because of how big they mad the s-lancer, with only 1 shield for the max, and likely how slow on ponderous a beast it will likely be.
Those are fair points, but let me attempt to encapsulate the big picture when purchasing ships and individual ship prices. When I originally bought my Connie, it was much higher than the current $200 price tag. That doesn't mean it lost it's value, it just means it's not the "new hotness". They are paying a premium for early access. With all that said, CIG told us we could buy or craft any ship in the game with the right resources and capabilities. All pledge store ships are Tier 1 ships. So, a Tier 3 Corsair will dominate a Tier 1 Starlancer. Lastly, the ability to upgrade all ships to Tier 5 and all pledge store ships start at Tier 1 means that the "pay-to-win" argument is dead in the water. Even the whales have to grind to be the best now.
I'm honestly surprised they didn't go into base building in more detail with the Galaxy. It was such a big focus last year. Regarding the SL, I'm still trying to process my thoughts. The TAC looks super versatile and maybe that versatility means it isn't that great at anything. But any ship with a built in infirmary is an automatic boost.
@OddJobEntertainment considering they showed the perseus it tells me there is nearly another 7 months or so before we see it. I believe cig said the galaxy was after that, though it seems cig is ramping up for misc ships next
Solid answer on Insurance, I don’t think so. I’m waiting for a questions request for a FAQ to be posted on Spectrum as I have eight questions I would like clarity on BTW the last bit at the end of the presentation wasn’t that LTI = level3 insurance, it was because LTI can only be gotten from a pledge it would have a Warranty and Insurance for a lifetime.
I hope not, I've seen a few people interpret it as these are ships being added to active production. This is what I'm hoping for because it would mean the Galaxy is close to completion but not mentioned because it was already in active production.
Too much Copium. They've done this sort of thing for years upon years so it's all just concepts of concepts till it hits the ptu. Sorry folks but it's true. They do this every time
Sure but the difference is now we are finally at the point tech wise that the actual game/gameplay is being built which thank god id say probably 1.0 in the next 5 years maybe 7
+1 to this. Another year with hours and hours or PowerPoint slides and very sus "greybox" presentations. Yet, the current scenario we have is: i) Players keep falling through the floor; ii) Getting killed in elevators; iii) NPCs not spawning or not working; iv) Party markers not working; iv) Cargo elevators /kiosks not working. As always, we got to trust that "server meshing will fix it"
@@matuto1986greybox means it's in a very advanced state. Greybox means the Main funtions work properly and the in this dedicated Part of the Feature "basebuilding" the next step is to implement it in the game for dev testing in a non-public testserver and then when it works properly it comes to the PTU. So give it like 3 to 4 months. I think it will be in PTU in jan or February based on other Features in greybox state and their Release in the ptu. At least in End of Q1 2025 or early Q2
I’m so sick of this boring take. Be original and not a parrot of toxicity. Everything’s is coming. Some people are so impatient. I don’t need the full game any time soon. I enjoy my time with toys we have now. Stop being boring and repetitive.
Was any of the things listed a lie? If so, feel free to call it out. Also, if it's a boring take, feel free to disagree. But calling ppl toxic for expecting BARE MINIMUM features of a 12 years old game? How is that toxic or impatient? Are you sure you wanna go that route? We all want the game to progress. The difference is that some ppl like being lied to and throwing money at powerpoint slides, while other group actually expects CIG to work and earn the money they got. We were promised a game, and not a ppt slideshow. Lastly, nobody is telling you not to enjoy the current state of the game. If it works for you, go for it! I certainly am NOT, since nothing works. We are already in 3.24.3 (PTU), three versions of the "ThE CaRgO PaTcH", and we have hundreds of players (if not thousands) who can't even access their hangar or cargo elevator. To be honest, at this point, I have more faith in SQ42 than the PU.
I think the 12-18 months were meant for monster hunting and (basic?) base building. 1.0 will be a long way from here. It is however reassurring, that they have a compelling idea of gameplay. My fear is that the monetization will creep into the gameplay loops. If it stays like it is right now and only ships are sold, this would be fine by me. But if they monetize buildings, and make another push for land claims or even go so far as to sell blueprints or rep, it could spell the end of a SC I want to play. They continue to walk the fine line between scam and promising game.
They did specify that they were referring to base building and monster hunting, but let me say this. If we get Nyx and Castra by the end of next year, it is not impossible to think we can get Terra and 1.0 by the end of 2026. Nyx and Castra are not large systems like Pyro. And if Sq42 indeed launches in 2026, CIG wants to capitalize on the release to turn people on to Star Citizen. There is a finite window to capitalize on the interest. So here's my prediction. Sq42 will be released at some point in 2026. SC has to release within 3-6 months of SQ42 release to have the greatest effect. 1.0 may be released between late 2026 and early 2027, possibly with some compromises. Also, they never said space stations will be in 1.0.
@@fwdcnorac8574 you and your timeline are on copium ^^ Nobody can tell how long it will take. SQ42's release won't set off dev resources as they will directly continue to make the 2nd chapter of SQ42.
Galaxy not mentioned is a bit obnoxious, but Orion, BMM, 600i rework, crucible, nautilus, endeavor, odyssey, kraken, idris, javelin owners have a bigger claim to fame there.
You're not wrong. There's no official term so far as I'm aware of a megastructure encapsulating a planet. So Dyson Sphere gives the most direct description in my mind of the idea.
Am I the only one who's a bit worried that none of these cool new features will matter if we still have the jank and server lag issues that prevent even game play? I've bot beeb able to log into the game for the past 4 days for God's sake.
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Am I getting carried away? Did I take too much copium? What do you think?
I think you are spot on. The stuff they showed isn't feature creep, it's the building blocks that justify 1.0 being 1.0 ...this is what we've been waiting for all this time, what to expect for the finished product. We know we still have to wait, but at least we now know where the goal posts are. What they showed is the foundation and structure of keeps a large scale, complex MMO ticking over, filled with content, long term playability and sustained activity.
I'm not saying it's perfect, they still have to walk the walk, but a lot of the questions the community has been asking, now has an answers. Some may not like the answers, some may love it, but at least the larger picture has been presented. Still lots to do, still lots of waiting, but they presented what needed to be presented.
How about doing some actual math instead of talking out of your ass and asking such ridiculous questions...
No it’s not too much copium except for the Dyson prophecy 😂😅 I think CR was referring to monster hunting, crafting and base building on 12-18 months. I don’t think he was including all of 1.0 in that timeline, but regardless that would be huge, plus if you haven’t caught it the ship team teased the Pioneer on the list of ships for next year
They ain’t releasing 1.0 in 18 months, I’m guessing closer to a decade honestly 😭, it’s taking a long time but this is the only game in town like this and they are working hard to bring it to us in our life time so I’m grateful for that and I will continue to fund this ambitious project (I just hope they can achieved what they hope to bring us in a quicker time frame than I expect) the bottle neck is the technology to allow a game like this operate seamlessly and with the numbers of players to make all this possible (server meshing is still early days and requires time to develop and improve upon to achieve what we can see in these videos).
@@icemanA84 There's no rush... I'm in for the long haul, I've loved watching his ambition process grow from the start. As long as they're making steps forward, I'm happy. SC isn't my only interest, so I like that this particular project is different in that way, testing the patches, seeing the updates and enjoying like-minded folks in the community. What I don't like is games that are released and end up being SHIT, like Starfield. I don't want the McDonalds of Gaming.
If CIG was able to deliver, all of these features would be great. The space station is very far fetched not only because it would be a huge undertaking for CIG but a huge undertaking for any organization because you’re relying on people to supply this and run it. History has shown that large organizations typically do not work well and eventually conflicts will start within the organization which will cause the organization to fall apart. Imagine you bought the game only to find out the organization needs you to man the controlled deck for this space station and that’s your primary job. How boring would that be and how long would you be committed to doing that every day? It only takes a few pissed off people within an organization to crash it. Unless they make almost every single job within this space station in NPC controlled it seems like a huge waste of time and resources.
And I think they realize this. Lots of Orgs will rise and fall, and these stations are meant to be rare. It will take a well-organized organization of dedicated players to pull this off. You didn't even touch on espionage and clandestine operations from smaller organizations infiltrating a bigger org to sabotage the development of these stations. IMO these stations will not become permanent fixtures in the 'verse. And when they do fail, the org's financial hit will set them back for months, clearing the space for another org to take the top spot. Suppose an org wants to start bullying citizens in their system, acting like some space mafia. In that case, there will be enough ways for that system to band together and wipe that org out, be it actively banding together to destroy the station or just avoiding the system, which would cause a financial collapse within the system, which in turn makes the station almost impossible to maintain. Lastly, let's also remember that the law of the system may come for that station if they are breaking UEE laws. Lots of emergent gameplay opportunities will arise because of this.
I'm concerned in that aspect too. But maybe...
I cant see 1.0 coming out anytime before 2030. Even 2030 means one star system every 2 years. Including TERRA! So probably post 2030 1.0
Hopefully their Genesis tech will allow them to pump out new systems at a much faster rate now.
@@JaggedJack1 i do assume that, but even so pyro took what? 5 years or so? If they half the development time per system and assume thats the average dev time per system we would still be 6-8 years out. So 2030-2032. But i have to say, that is an actual realistic date, by then theyll have enough time to develop and polish all those systems they talked about. And well have a lot more game to play with crafting etc before that comes out
@@JaggedJack1 Now? where is Genesis? in 4.0 something "genesis" is out? Microtech does not look anything like what was shown, Pyro for all we have seem so far does not as well....
Too far away from anything shown this CC.
@@TKanal3 The planet Pyro didn't take 5 years. Server Memory was completely consumed with Stanton. Server Meshing technology was required to solve this issue and allow us to visit new planets. Once Server Meshing and the engine is completed, content will accelerate. Pyro the planet took a very short time.
@@BalokLives fair point how long do you think the systems will take?
Citcon was awesome! Got a couple buds together and we stayed up all night to watch the stream live, and had a total blast. We all do game development so its really neat to see what CIG cooked up from that perspective.
Putting on my player hat though, I had two major hangups. First being the starlancer completely outclassing the recently nerfed corsair and redeemer for the same price, which as a corsair fan (yes even post nerf, i'm never melting that beautiful ship) really stung. I don't dislike the starlancer, but what you get for the price really makes getting any other ship in that price range feel like a stupid decision, which generally sucks. And second how they didn't mention anything about their plans for the galaxy's base building module or lack thereof, despite it being front & center in the 2953 citcon. Like, fine go ahead and delay the galaxy, I'll live with it, but I just want to know if I'll be able to base build with the thing or not.
Salt aside, the 1.0 plans were awesome. crafting was incredible. base building tying in with genesis was awesome to look at, and I'm a complete sucker for base building in anything. Org tools are going to be a game changer, especially when coupled with the guild and armor systems. There's just so much to look forward to and, despite some low points, i'm pretty optimistic about the direction.
I'm not mad at the starlancer existing despite the redeemer and corsair "nerfs"
Redeemer should never have been given that sort of shielding and firepower for something slightly larger than a vanguard.
Corsair nerf only meant for a solo player on a multi crew vessel. It still retains it's 4x size 5 and 2x size 4 forward firing guns. Just not for someone trying to solo it. Let's be fair engineering will nerf your solo corsair faster than losing control of 2 guns.
Look at the size differences between the two ships as well. Starlancer is HUGE, 83 meters long. It's gonna be easy to catch and attack. Corsair is 52m and redeemer at 51m - though effectively the deemer vital hp and component locations are about 30m in length.
I won't compare these because of how big they mad the s-lancer, with only 1 shield for the max, and likely how slow on ponderous a beast it will likely be.
Those are fair points, but let me attempt to encapsulate the big picture when purchasing ships and individual ship prices. When I originally bought my Connie, it was much higher than the current $200 price tag. That doesn't mean it lost it's value, it just means it's not the "new hotness". They are paying a premium for early access. With all that said, CIG told us we could buy or craft any ship in the game with the right resources and capabilities. All pledge store ships are Tier 1 ships. So, a Tier 3 Corsair will dominate a Tier 1 Starlancer. Lastly, the ability to upgrade all ships to Tier 5 and all pledge store ships start at Tier 1 means that the "pay-to-win" argument is dead in the water. Even the whales have to grind to be the best now.
I'm honestly surprised they didn't go into base building in more detail with the Galaxy. It was such a big focus last year.
Regarding the SL, I'm still trying to process my thoughts. The TAC looks super versatile and maybe that versatility means it isn't that great at anything. But any ship with a built in infirmary is an automatic boost.
@OddJobEntertainment considering they showed the perseus it tells me there is nearly another 7 months or so before we see it. I believe cig said the galaxy was after that, though it seems cig is ramping up for misc ships next
Solid answer on Insurance, I don’t think so. I’m waiting for a questions request for a FAQ to be posted on Spectrum as I have eight questions I would like clarity on
BTW the last bit at the end of the presentation wasn’t that LTI = level3 insurance, it was because LTI can only be gotten from a pledge it would have a Warranty and Insurance for a lifetime.
I'll have to make sure to update my notes for next time. I don't want to spread misinformation.
The RSI Galaxy was swapped for the Perseus. This tells me it will be right after the Perseus is concluded.
I hope not, I've seen a few people interpret it as these are ships being added to active production. This is what I'm hoping for because it would mean the Galaxy is close to completion but not mentioned because it was already in active production.
Take another hard look at the next year teaser, the Pioneer is in there. They bring out the big boi first
Too much Copium. They've done this sort of thing for years upon years so it's all just concepts of concepts till it hits the ptu. Sorry folks but it's true. They do this every time
Sure but the difference is now we are finally at the point tech wise that the actual game/gameplay is being built which thank god id say probably 1.0 in the next 5 years maybe 7
+1 to this. Another year with hours and hours or PowerPoint slides and very sus "greybox" presentations.
Yet, the current scenario we have is:
i) Players keep falling through the floor; ii) Getting killed in elevators; iii) NPCs not spawning or not working; iv) Party markers not working; iv) Cargo elevators /kiosks not working.
As always, we got to trust that "server meshing will fix it"
@@matuto1986greybox means it's in a very advanced state. Greybox means the Main funtions work properly and the in this dedicated Part of the Feature "basebuilding" the next step is to implement it in the game for dev testing in a non-public testserver and then when it works properly it comes to the PTU. So give it like 3 to 4 months. I think it will be in PTU in jan or February based on other Features in greybox state and their Release in the ptu. At least in End of Q1 2025 or early Q2
I’m so sick of this boring take. Be original and not a parrot of toxicity. Everything’s is coming. Some people are so impatient. I don’t need the full game any time soon. I enjoy my time with toys we have now. Stop being boring and repetitive.
Was any of the things listed a lie? If so, feel free to call it out.
Also, if it's a boring take, feel free to disagree. But calling ppl toxic for expecting BARE MINIMUM features of a 12 years old game? How is that toxic or impatient?
Are you sure you wanna go that route?
We all want the game to progress. The difference is that some ppl like being lied to and throwing money at powerpoint slides, while other group actually expects CIG to work and earn the money they got. We were promised a game, and not a ppt slideshow.
Lastly, nobody is telling you not to enjoy the current state of the game. If it works for you, go for it! I certainly am NOT, since nothing works. We are already in 3.24.3 (PTU), three versions of the "ThE CaRgO PaTcH", and we have hundreds of players (if not thousands) who can't even access their hangar or cargo elevator.
To be honest, at this point, I have more faith in SQ42 than the PU.
I think everything is just still to far away for me to care. My concern is stability and the snails pace space combat right now.
They did enhance saying these are only some of the ships they are working on. You might see the galaxy sooner than later
fingers crossed man, it's a race to get the dream ship between Salte and I
@@OddJobEntertainment crossed my toes as well! This year will be something different.. just not sure if that's good or bad haha
I think the 12-18 months were meant for monster hunting and (basic?) base building. 1.0 will be a long way from here. It is however reassurring, that they have a compelling idea of gameplay. My fear is that the monetization will creep into the gameplay loops. If it stays like it is right now and only ships are sold, this would be fine by me. But if they monetize buildings, and make another push for land claims or even go so far as to sell blueprints or rep, it could spell the end of a SC I want to play. They continue to walk the fine line between scam and promising game.
They did specify that they were referring to base building and monster hunting, but let me say this. If we get Nyx and Castra by the end of next year, it is not impossible to think we can get Terra and 1.0 by the end of 2026. Nyx and Castra are not large systems like Pyro. And if Sq42 indeed launches in 2026, CIG wants to capitalize on the release to turn people on to Star Citizen. There is a finite window to capitalize on the interest. So here's my prediction. Sq42 will be released at some point in 2026. SC has to release within 3-6 months of SQ42 release to have the greatest effect. 1.0 may be released between late 2026 and early 2027, possibly with some compromises. Also, they never said space stations will be in 1.0.
@@fwdcnorac8574 you and your timeline are on copium ^^ Nobody can tell how long it will take. SQ42's release won't set off dev resources as they will directly continue to make the 2nd chapter of SQ42.
Galaxy not mentioned is a bit obnoxious, but Orion, BMM, 600i rework, crucible, nautilus, endeavor, odyssey, kraken, idris, javelin owners have a bigger claim to fame there.
😂😂😂 people talking about 1.0. 😂😂😂😂 woooooo copium? More like heroin
The Galaxy BLD module not being mentioned or sized is another slight it took this SitCon
@@schlagzahne6741 I melted the BMM years ago 😂
Poor BMM owners, their dreams are just a constant BM.
btw: dyson sphere is around a star, not a planet.
You're not wrong. There's no official term so far as I'm aware of a megastructure encapsulating a planet. So Dyson Sphere gives the most direct description in my mind of the idea.
@@OddJobEntertainment I think the prophecy may fumble on this
Am I the only one who's a bit worried that none of these cool new features will matter if we still have the jank and server lag issues that prevent even game play? I've bot beeb able to log into the game for the past 4 days for God's sake.
Tried to play last night. It definitely helped bring me back down to earth a little.
12 years maybe lol
How about work on a playable game first then add more stuff.
Just asking that question shows how clueless you are.
I've been hurt before, but maybe this time will be different.