The bottleneck here is the memory bandwidth and not architecture. They will most likely go with RDNA2 with the Zen 4 APUs which can utilize the faster DDR5 chips so you can expect Desktop RX560 (R9 270X) Performance on the next gen APUs.
Which will be sad to watch because even with the most advanced process node for x86 in the world, PCIe 4 and GPU hogging so much die space, Xe Graphics doesn't completely blow Vega 8 out of the water. Switch to RNDA2 and AMD can be lazy with iGPU progress for another 2 to 3 years.
@@BrattyBiker AMD's newer architectures are much better at handling low memory bandwidth than Vega, so the new architectures would actually improve performance.
Imagine guys... 50 years ago, 15 watt doesn't even give you enough light to brighten a small room. Now a 15 watt is enough to power billions of transistors Edit: somehow this comment section turns into a massive debate of physics, trolling and physics trolling. All I'm saying when I wrote what I wrote was, for such tiny amount of power we could do oh so much more now compared to 50 years ago.
@@mastroitek Not exactly my point, don't need to be condescending. I'm talking about it's function. You can do so much more with 15 watt of CPU than you are with 15 watt of a bulb, which only produce a small amount of light and massive amount of heat anyway. Also, isn't also the point? A billion of transistor in such a tiny area.
Damn, AMD's architecture is amazing. It's scalable from 15W to ~125W with impressive performance. I just hope we'll get good build quality, slim and with good monitors laptops.
The Slim 7 is the best imo w/ a decent selection of ports as well, but I can't find the 16GB RAM model in my country, otherwise I'd have bought it, it's pretty cheap here. This Zenbook somossa on ports, especially the 3.5mm Jack
Have both 4800H and 10750H laptop, about the same, until u start using 10 browser tabs, android emulation and docker with vs code and pycharm in debug mode, 4800H handle it like a champ
But... but.... but..... Single threads rule! Power over efficiency! Totally better security! Better optimisation! A hot CPU just shows it's working hard! oUR nEXT cPUS wILL bE bETTER i pROMISE
@tangled earphones comparison was not my point. I'm just pointing out how weaker my device compard to him, which even last year i used to work on an i5 8250u+mx150 laptop for programming purposes. And im lucky enough to built a PC in 27 december just before prices went crazy, i got 1650 Super for 180$ :D yeah whatever, im kinda dont know how to answer you because im not native english hehe
@@andersjjensen Let's be realistic: x86 isn't as efficient as ARM and the OS and apps aren't compiled for it so any attempt will fail like the Intel powered Zenphone. During the next 10 years there is way more chance to see Risc-V gaining popularity in the mobile and low-power market than some x86 chip.
@@eclipsegst9419 keep milking that single core until really dry, cant wait for intel to reach 10ghz with 4 cores at 200 celcius and several liquid nitrogen cooler
This likely isn't something you looking for, but, perhaps give eluktronics laptops a look at? They have a thin series that's decently light , but a lil more on the gaming side. It's there "max" series.
I bought a Dell Inspiron with a Core i7-1165G7 and the CPU temps reach 100.c while running Windows updates. After 3 days I returned the laptop to BB. I don’t know if the laptop was defective or if this is normal for this particular i7. Anyway, if I could find the same laptop with the 5800u then I’d buy it right away. Anything with a Zen 3 CPU is impossible to find.
I managed to order a Lenovo L15 Gen 2 through going to their official site here in the Netherlands. Has a ryzen 7 5850u pro (pretty much identical to 5800u) for only 900 euros. Had a hard time finding it on any other sites so I'd suggest going to the official sites of the laptop makers and see whether you can just order them directly.
Yeah, I can't believe they have already messed up their product line naming. The new Zen 2 chips should have been called what they really are: 4000 series.
@@Marrrrtin so you are just referring to the 53/55/5700U (all of them do have SMT tho) right? Well that's correct chief, they shouldn't have done that, but at least the rest of the line-up on desktop (CPUs & APUs) & mobile (H & 56/5800U) are Zen.3 based. At least it makes much more sense that Intel's line-up imo
@@sushimshah2896 Exactly, the rest is Zen 3 based. That's the problem. AMD specifically skipped Zen 3 4000 series and went straight to 5000 to avoid this problem of mixed Zen in a series. Only to immediately recreate the problem. 🤦🏼♂️ Also, Intel is irrelevant here.
I've been really happy with my last gen 4700U (HP Envy).. works great for Visual studio and LTSpice (circuit simulations) -- which is some pretty heavy-weight stuff for a thin&light
@@CarlJohnson234 That's not really an excuse though - Intel is obviously able to cram out more performance with the same memory-bandwidth of LPDDR4X - AMD is being stingy with how many COMPUTE-units they're giving us...! If they gave us a few more units, like Intel does, then the performance would improve.
@@predabot__6778 Sure intelboy, brag about your kittylake notebook with the 4 cores. It will become obsolete in less than 3 years. As kittylake's GPU is way larger than the one on Renoir/Cezanne
@@predabot__6778 I f you want more CUs go for R5 3400G (R3 3200G), these equipped with 11 CUs. Most of the time CU count does not matter, hence why 4xxx series (and 5xxx too) APUs are able to compete with previous ones albeit with lower CU count but with much higher clockspeed (and some minor tweaks) are able to outperform them in most instances. So it's 50/50, in some scenarios it matters, in some others not that much. On the other note, APUs are power and thermally restricted, so you cant just simply put more cores and increase clockspeed, as integrated graphics share power with cpu cores, so there's that. Also it's not linear scaling with CUs due memory bandwidth i mentioned before.
1:55 lol, let’s not forget the fact 5800U, 5800HS, 5800H, 5900HS, 5900HX, 5980HS and 5980HX all essentially are the same 8c/16t AMD processor with different stock clocks and TDP limit. I repeat, ALL processors starting from mobile 5800 are THE SAME 8c/16t CPU. Imagine that!
@@naseemyasir therapist: 5980HX doesn't exist, it can't hurt your 8 cores 5980HX: www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-9-5980hx P.S.: I think they technically can do that, yeah. That's not my point though. My point is bloody naming. 7 bins for a single CPU with names assuming different core counts, while in reality it's the same. That's nuts. There is heavily marketed 5900X and OEM 5900, both are advertised to have 12 cores. So tell me, how many people will buy a laptop with mobile "5900" on board, which essentially is a mobile 5800 with higher power delivery target in the microcode, thinking they are getting an 12 cores processor due to desktop marketing? I am fine with 8 cores. But they could call these 5850HS/HX, 5880HS/HX, or you know? Maybe don't do 7 bins of the same CPU separated by 10 watts and 100mhz between each other? Since when USB naming is the role model?
well, by being made with their scuffed 10nm node and only 4 cores boosted by frequency scaling, Tiger Lake might be quite worse in long-term power draw.
How much better the AMD lineup meanwhile is you can see in the Matlab benchmark, in which AMD outperforms the Intel CPUs despite tigerlake sports AVX512 relevant in this bench.
Now watch what happens on Ryzen when you "unfuck" the gimping Intel's compiler does in Matlab: www.extremetech.com/computing/302650-how-to-bypass-matlab-cripple-amd-ryzen-threadripper-cpus
It's interesting that Zen 2 and Zen 3 have similar performance at 15W. I guess it makes sense that AMD made some of their 5000-series lineup Lucienne then - they may as well if it has the same performance and has a smaller die than Cezanne.
I keep laptops for many years. An OLED screen, where the blue pixels have half the half-life of the other pixels, yellows relatively quickly. That is unacceptable to me. I hate that reviewers just started ignoring this deal-breaking flaw with OLED displays. Apart from that, I love the review. This is very interesting and a decent bump for AMD. The lack of an improved iGPU was disappointing.
That talk about Thunderbolt is so common in reviews but I never actually seen a port or device for it in my entire life. Starting to thing it's american thing. Isn't using standard USB for everything is more convenient and some of new type C provide enough speed and power for anything?
Yea it's an American thing Americans only buy apple products hence there's only two known ports in America Lightning port & thunderbolt port So obviously there are many thunderbolt accessories available in American market
Thunderbolt is common on quality docking stations. Traveling staff usually have a docking station with desk keyboard/mouse/monitor(s) at their office. It is less common among private consumers. Unless they've worked somewhere that used this and thus consider it "standard equipment".
Its somewhat frustrating to keep hearing reviews mention it, because OEMs have the option to put it in AMD devices but don't. Intel has a certification process to use the term Thunderbolt(and logo), that would likely either charge too much for, or outright block in a lot of cases. Asrock has 1 officially certified AMD ITX motherboard, and other AMD desktop boards with it. Other board makers offer it, without certification. On the flip side, the majority of people don't actually use it when they have it. The most legitimate use is from native devices, which are niche uses like audio interfaces. Most of those people are using a Mac. Practically everyone else is fine with USB and only ever plug in a mouse and 1 storage device.
Nice review, AMD should be the one to go, for people complained about 5%-10% diference on ST in some tests on tiger lake, just remember that after your system is fully loaded with programs in background, drivers, this diference will simple dissappear.
Im glad you compared it to 4800U, bought me a Yoga Slim 7 last year and i was curious how much better the 5800U was. Seeing AMD play with different architectures is very smart. If they keep up this momentum, and squeeze out even better single core performance, intel will have to admit defeat.
Great Review (as always). The 5800u is really interesting but I would love that AMD propose a Zen3 APU with 6 cores and more GPU compute units (like 16 Vega CUs or better). Doubling the GPU perf with a few less cpu cores would be a big win for gaming and 3D apps.
patience young padawan looking at amd patents, and some forum discussion out there there is no need for them (at least for now) to increase vega CU, as the bottleneck is not within CU itself but RAM Bandwidth (DDR4) so cramming more CU does not magically improve graphic performance that, until DDR5 come, and with RDNA2 CU
@@Arjun-eb1yc Even if they didn't use Navi, they literally reduced the number of CUs going to Renoir from 11 to 8 on a smaller process! 16 Vega CUs would be pretty good. If I turn off the 1660 in my laptop the Vega 7 graphics are good enough to play tomb raider, Hellblade and other games!
now i want to see high-power zen3 gaming cpus with dedicated gpus (3070 max-p) at ALL, and at reasonable price, as i've seen 0 max-p ryzen laptops but many intel ones, and at competitive prices.. after all, unlike desktop the value is the whole package as u cant just buy the cpu
I thought the whole reason they skipped from 3000 to 5000 on the desktop was to clean up the mess with last-gen cores in mobile parts sharing namespace with current gen desktop cores. And now they're going right back and mucking it up again at the first opportunity. Also disappointing that they STILL haven't updated to RDNA (1 or 2) on the mobile parts. I'm sure they're good cpus, but I can't help but feel they fumbled the ball a bit with this on.
Could the small performance regression in some tests at 15W be that the doubled cache size is drawing more power, taking it away from the cores? Then at 25W that extra power can go straight to the cores?
This is the first Ryzen laptop with an OLED Screen and kudos to Asus to incorporate Ryzen 5000U series in their Premium Zenbook design. Regarding performance, ZenBook 13 and 14 laptops always use conservative TDP settings in different performance mode. Would love to see some Lenovo IdeaPad 5 and Ideapad / Yoga Slim 7 Laptops with Ryzen 5000U and how they perform. Lenovo normally provides higher power limits to the Processors for longer duration for Ryzen CPUs. My ThinkPad T14 can go up to 35 to 40W during load with Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U
I'd love to see some desktop comparisons in these charts. It wouldn't need to be much, even just 1 machine. It'd be very useful for getting a broader context though.
Microsoft just revealed Surface Laptop 4 on their site. They all have the same battery capacities, but AMD versions (6 and 8 cores) have *longer* battery life than Intel versions (all 4-cores because Kittenlake). Proper high resolution screens with 3:2 aspect ratio and all that for every model. However, based on the processor model names (4680U and 4980U), they appear to be Zen2 based, not Zen3 based.
That pretty much shows you what Intel has to do in order to keep that 14nm++++++ node even remotely relevant. Pump power into it like there's no tomorrow. Imagine that battery efficiency from the zen3 ultralight processors
@@paulelderson934 Actually, TigerLake (which I jokingly called KittenLake in my comment) is 10 nm SuperFin.
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Hi! Thank you very much for this very detailed and comprehensive review. Just one point missing, although I understand it was very accessory since contextualized to this specific laptop: I would have loved some compared evaluation of battery life for both APUs to have an idea of how much Intel trades autonomy for higher performance. Thanks in advance if it can be done. Keep up the good work :)
@@SuprSi NMVe PCIe 4.0 and for DIY eGPU with M.2 connection (PCIe 4.0 x4 = PCIe 3.0 x8). Also the Mobile chip are used in Mini PC segement, normally use in company/enterprise ambient.
@@PauloRAgostinho Didn't think anyone was still bothering with eGPU's on laptops but that does make sense I suppose. NVMe 3.0 drives are still blazing fast tho, doubt I could tell the difference between 3.0 and 4.0 for everyday stuff.
Awesome looking product. Shame that most PC stores in NZ only seem to have old gen stock on hand since the new tech is so popular they can't even demo the hardware!
Hi Tim, great review as always. Do you think it is worth to perform a "bloated" benchmark? By that I mean the average office user, so multiple excel and word instances open. Multiple Chrome tabs and probably with one playing music from youtube or spotify. Outlook and Teams running too. The idea here is too see how much performance we lose by having all that open and if a processor with more cores can hold better in those case (This goes directly against your Tiger-lake conclusion where you said you would get the 4c/8t for the higher ST performance and that 8c/16t is kinda overkill anyway for this form factor).
Background apps consume very very very little CPU. Even spotify while playing barely makes a difference on my 10 year old i5 laptop. I get where you're going with this though, and Gamers Nexus actually did test it, and found that if they made an absolute effort to download and install the entire internet's worth of free gadgets they lost.... about 1-2% FPS in their gaming suite. Modern day programs use what is known as an event loop. That is, the program is completely frozen until some kind of event runs in (muse click, network package, etc). Programs that poll services (like Outlook in online mode) use an event timer. That is, it tells the OS that it want's to sleep for 10 seconds voluntarily. The OS then wakes it up, it checks for new data in it's network socket, and if that is empty, orders another 10 seconds of sleep. It only takes a few hundred clock ticks of CPU time to check if there is data in the socket, so even triggering every 0.1 second wouldn't make it observable to the user. The background noise in Windows itself (or rather, it's service executables) is far too unpredictable to put your finger down on a single back ground app.
If possible, can you test it against the Apple M1? There is no valuable review that I found between these two and I think it should be interesting despite of the architectural differences.
Buy according to your needs Both are powerful enough for productivity based workloads check if your needed software are available for windows and mac & then decide what is important for you
We only need one single benchmark for the M1: How fast can it emulate x86. That's it. If it can't do that really fucking efficiently it is as much of a novelty toy as everything else Apple makes.
AMD knocking it out of the park recently. Still building my 'home office' stuff at the moment so laptop will probably have to wait till later this year or next year but it's going to be nice when I finally get around to upgrading.
Did somebody make a joke about the 5800U vs the 10980HK in productivity yet? That's actually hilarious even with the time and driver and component differences! 😂
thx for adding excel on performance benchmark, many of us is not content creator. As telco engineer, excel and PowerPoint is the most important application.
@@ameliabuns4058 I didn't follow U series closely as they were dual-cores. i3s, i5s, i7s. Yes i7s. While intel kept quad cores on desktop laptop sat on hyperthreaded dual cores for all the i-crap models. Only the high-end gaming laptops got quad-core i7s, and obviously no high-end gaming laptop used U-series dual-core. It was when Ryzen came that intel increased cores on laptops. Up to 6 on H-series and 4 for U.
Seems the 4800u/ 5700u still holds up pretty well considering the price and availability of the 5800u. I'm picking up a Flex 5 with a 5700u sooner or later.
One thing to make the 5kU (or 5kH* for that matter) Ryzen APU better option than Intel Tiger Lakes, besides the architectural significant factors such as M.2 NVMe PCIe4 support or USB3.2.2x2/USB4 support or TB3+ support, is to make the VCE just as good (and as efficient and as performant and as widely supported) or better than Intel's QSV. Cause Intel doesn't need in many cases to win in a H264/5 software de-/en-coding as often such thing is simply offloaded to the significantly better QSV in the Xe iGPU that's also supported by most tools nearly out of the box.
While I agree with Tim's statement that singlethread performance needs heavy emphasis when evaluating thin-and-light laptop performance I still do maintain that raw core count needs equally heavy emphasis when it comes to evaluating the potential longevity of the system. Core count and cache size is what is going to determine, way down the track, when a system is going to feel sluggish in day-to-day use. That used to be hard disk speed, but anything that measures in the gigabytes per second class is going to handle application startup at sub-second no problem.
@@andersjjensen Unfortunately, just the 14" Slim 7. I have the 13.3" version with the QHD display but that one is only available with a Tiger Lake processor. There is an AMD version of the Slim 7 Pro that people seem to be raving over, but it's a 45W part, not a U-series part. Really want to see stuff like the Dell XPS, HP Spectre and the usual like the LG Gram come with the U-series Ryzen, if anything mainly for the sake of choice
Finally an OLED laptop to perhaps replace my ancient (4 years old now) HP x360 Spectre Limited Edition. I was waiting for a laptop with OLED and AMD Zen3 CPU because there simply no way I'd go back to inferior display technologies.
@@howardlam6181 Why? I have literally zero interest in that. I'm interested in a new laptop with OLED display and AMD Zen3 APU with the right design. I don't give a rats arse how much it costs. It may cost $3-4-5000, don't care. The Zenbook isn't it as the design looks cheap and tacky but it's a good effort by ASUS.
Unless you keep your script inside you lens or completely memorize over 20 minutes if script, I don't understand how you always keep eye contact with the camera! Great job! Keep up the good work!
Fantastic work from AMD, now all they have to do is: - have a partner manufacturer that will build them into premium devices - actually have ANY of these cpus available for those laptops to be built Two almost insurmountable obstacles it seems
I disagree with you on the confusing nature of the naming. Given your testing I actually think it is very good and informs well about the products : - In the 5000U line-up for the same number of cores Zen 2 are under their Zen 3 counterparts. The 5000H line-up also doesn't use the 700 500 and 300, so the seem to be reserved to the Zen 2 parts. - The results between the 4800U and 5800U are very close (except on the cache heavy applications). So the same is probably true comparing the 5700U and 5600U. Now a interesting comparison now would be the 5700U vs 5600U, on those cache heavy applications. Would the larger and better cache would be enough to make the 5600U perform better than the 5700U ? But other than that case, the naming does seem to be very close to the reality. So in my opinion it is not misleading a poorly informed consumer. Although if the 5600U significantly outperforms the 5700U, it wouldn't be quite as a good naming. But even in that case it would still be well better average for a laptop related naming scheme.
The intel flavor is perfect for a 13 to 14 is ultrabook/ultraportable gaming laptop with the intel XE video card having the edge over the Ryzen.. I am 45, and my eyes aren't what they use to be, and even at 720p on a screen this size with eye candy all high, you barely/don't see a difference in gaming experience using my Acer Swift3 14inch, and this is using AMD 4700u; I could imagine the Intel XE in a form factor like my laptop. I do not use my laptop much for productivity, and most on the go entertainment, so the extra horse power on the video card is really more important to me, but atleast my current laptop is also usable with heavy lightroom on the go if I need it.
Which is better 7 5800u or i7-1165g7 for daily office use like some excel, photoshop, some video editing and lots browsing ? Also which is even more better for watching videos & music?
Intel is not in trouble. It outsells portables about 5 to 1 to AMD. And although I would like a more balanced sales figure, just so prices would be more affordable, I see no real change coming.
I so much want to update my notebook to zen 3 but it is missing usb4/thunderbolt4, AV1 codec and PCI-e 4.0 which the Tiger Lake have. What do you think?
Hi may i ask lenovo thinkpad E15 Cpu - ryzen 7 5800u Ram - 8gb Ssd - 512 gb AMD RADEON graphic ( intergrated graphics) or Lenovo thinkbook 15 Cpu - ryzen 7 5700u Ram - 16 GB SSD - 512 GB Graphic - AMD RADEON GRAPHIC (integrated graphics) Which one to choose price is almost the same only less than 50$ different
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So happy that zenbooks are finally using ZEN cpus lol
yeah I always found it odd that a zenbook doesn't have a Ryzen....
lil
The book finally meets its zen
Ryzen: Its like, I was made for this.
So..... that's the difference between now and Zen
Nice one 🙌
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What are you doing here commenting on your competitor's video? This is like Apple putting M1 CPU chips inside of Microsoft Surface laptops.
Hey Jarrod review new Legion 5 Pro Gen 6
@@JoshKeatonFan its a community not a warfield
So now that IPC and cache have been sorted out, the only thing that AMD needs to fix is bringing their new architectures in the iGPU
The bottleneck here is the memory bandwidth and not architecture. They will most likely go with RDNA2 with the Zen 4 APUs which can utilize the faster DDR5 chips so you can expect Desktop RX560 (R9 270X) Performance on the next gen APUs.
Which will be sad to watch because even with the most advanced process node for x86 in the world, PCIe 4 and GPU hogging so much die space, Xe Graphics doesn't completely blow Vega 8 out of the water. Switch to RNDA2 and AMD can be lazy with iGPU progress for another 2 to 3 years.
Probably waiting for ddr 5
@@BrattyBiker nope, also more.
@@BrattyBiker AMD's newer architectures are much better at handling low memory bandwidth than Vega, so the new architectures would actually improve performance.
this is the kind of editorial direction that I can appreciate it. Thanks Luigi!
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Imagine guys... 50 years ago, 15 watt doesn't even give you enough light to brighten a small room. Now a 15 watt is enough to power billions of transistors
Edit: somehow this comment section turns into a massive debate of physics, trolling and physics trolling. All I'm saying when I wrote what I wrote was, for such tiny amount of power we could do oh so much more now compared to 50 years ago.
Which are so small compared to an entire room.... (big brain time)
@@mastroitek Not exactly my point, don't need to be condescending. I'm talking about it's function. You can do so much more with 15 watt of CPU than you are with 15 watt of a bulb, which only produce a small amount of light and massive amount of heat anyway.
Also, isn't also the point? A billion of transistor in such a tiny area.
@@MrWillypanda88 haha yup, sure. I was just messing with you
@@mastroitek ... Okay smart ass, even the screen on the thin and lite delivers more light with less energy than a 15 watt bulb. Checkmate
@@mastroitek pa dum tssss xD
Damn, AMD's architecture is amazing. It's scalable from 15W to ~125W with impressive performance. I just hope we'll get good build quality, slim and with good monitors laptops.
That Zenbook did look crisp though. If it is anything like their previous Zenbooks it's absolutely premium build quality.
The Slim 7 is the best imo w/ a decent selection of ports as well, but I can't find the 16GB RAM model in my country, otherwise I'd have bought it, it's pretty cheap here.
This Zenbook somossa on ports, especially the 3.5mm Jack
Have a look at the IdeaPad Slim 5 Pro Gen 6 14"
Have both 4800H and 10750H laptop, about the same, until u start using 10 browser tabs, android emulation and docker with vs code and pycharm in debug mode, 4800H handle it like a champ
But... but.... but..... Single threads rule! Power over efficiency! Totally better security! Better optimisation! A hot CPU just shows it's working hard! oUR nEXT cPUS wILL bE bETTER i pROMISE
Meanwhile I am with i3 10100f also usually open 10+ tabs, vscode, and unity with only 8gb ram..I'm fine
@@PrinzEugen39 yeah my 6700K is doing fine too, seems like intel is too hot in laptop, especially before tigerlake
@@PrinzEugen39 It's great to be happy with what you have!
@tangled earphones comparison was not my point. I'm just pointing out how weaker my device compard to him, which even last year i used to work on an i5 8250u+mx150 laptop for programming purposes. And im lucky enough to built a PC in 27 december just before prices went crazy, i got 1650 Super for 180$ :D
yeah whatever, im kinda dont know how to answer you because im not native english hehe
I love how well-researched and beautifully assembled all of Hardware Unboxed's results are. Thanks for being my go-to guide for PC guides
They miss out on a few things for laptop gpu's. A few very important things.
@@siyzerix OK o
For someone like me who loves efficient electronics,this is really cool!
Agreed, always found the U series more interesting then the H series.
Now if AMD can start making 5 watt chips...
@@ezg8448 The day they pull that off is the day you start seeing AMD powered phones :P
@@ezg8448 Well, they use to make 5W chips with the Ryzen Embedded series.
@@andersjjensen Let's be realistic: x86 isn't as efficient as ARM and the OS and apps aren't compiled for it so any attempt will fail like the Intel powered Zenphone. During the next 10 years there is way more chance to see Risc-V gaining popularity in the mobile and low-power market than some x86 chip.
@@PainterVierax qualcomm uses amd gpu technology
"Intel is slower here due to their lack of cores."
Nice pun for a product with the name Core in it!
intel: at least one core inside.
needing more cores is an embarrasment, the goal should always be to improve so fast we need less. and this ipc war may finally be bringing that.
@@eclipsegst9419 bruh. While having better single core is nice, multicore is the only way to achieve truely high performance.
@@eclipsegst9419 keep milking that single core until really dry, cant wait for intel to reach 10ghz with 4 cores at 200 celcius and several liquid nitrogen cooler
@@richard35791 fuck yes. But I'm more looking forward to 20ghz graphine cpus that run at 40c on air cooling.
Now we just need to find these laptops in stores. I'm having trouble finding any AMD laptops in a sea of sizzling hot Intels.
they sell it like dope
I couldnt find Ryzen laptop in Costco , Bjs and Samclubs they are the largest
This likely isn't something you looking for, but, perhaps give eluktronics laptops a look at? They have a thin series that's decently light , but a lil more on the gaming side. It's there "max" series.
I bought a Dell Inspiron with a Core i7-1165G7 and the CPU temps reach 100.c while running Windows updates. After 3 days I returned the laptop to BB. I don’t know if the laptop was defective or if this is normal for this particular i7.
Anyway, if I could find the same laptop with the 5800u then I’d buy it right away. Anything with a Zen 3 CPU is impossible to find.
I managed to order a Lenovo L15 Gen 2 through going to their official site here in the Netherlands. Has a ryzen 7 5850u pro (pretty much identical to 5800u) for only 900 euros. Had a hard time finding it on any other sites so I'd suggest going to the official sites of the laptop makers and see whether you can just order them directly.
Man; this silicon shortage has really saved Intel.
Imagine if AMD had been able to meet demand!!
5:16 I looked at this chart and was like "I don't see 11th gen Intel...are they just omitted from this one?"
No lol they're all at the bottom
Damn, zen 3 is really a beautiful microarchitecture
Too bad it's value anf availability on desktop is awful
Looks like last year's 4800H holds up pretty well.
They skipped the Desktop 4000 series to straight up their product line and now they immediately continue with Zen 2 in a 5000 series APU 🙄
Yeah, I can't believe they have already messed up their product line naming. The new Zen 2 chips should have been called what they really are: 4000 series.
I think you guys aren't upto speed *OR* are getting somewhat confused
@@sushimshah2896 If that's true, please enlighten me, I am happy to be corrected. You haven't explained anything at all.
@@Marrrrtin so you are just referring to the 53/55/5700U (all of them do have SMT tho) right?
Well that's correct chief, they shouldn't have done that, but at least the rest of the line-up on desktop (CPUs & APUs) & mobile (H & 56/5800U) are Zen.3 based.
At least it makes much more sense that Intel's line-up imo
@@sushimshah2896 Exactly, the rest is Zen 3 based. That's the problem. AMD specifically skipped Zen 3 4000 series and went straight to 5000 to avoid this problem of mixed Zen in a series. Only to immediately recreate the problem. 🤦🏼♂️ Also, Intel is irrelevant here.
I've been really happy with my last gen 4700U (HP Envy)..
works great for Visual studio and LTSpice (circuit simulations) -- which is some pretty heavy-weight stuff for a thin&light
In-depth analysis. Great job 👍
Been waiting the the U reviews forever. Not disappointed! I'm in need of a light device that lasts many hours of use
aren't we all
Did I see this right? It beat's Intel's 10980HK in Cinebench? 5:14
At 25W yes
Always doubt the data, but if you checked it and it is valid, trust the data, not what you think it should be.
@@a_spire then you are not a man of science. I am sorry that you not found your way (yet).
@@a_spire Fanboy alert.
@@a_spire why should it be rigged. Witch data proofs that this is rigged af?
Was looking forward to this since my laptop is a 4700U - Alex
ohhhh
Disappointed 5000G still using Vega Apu
Tbh, there's no reason to put Navi graphics there, because current apu are bandwidth starving, so waiting for DDR5 to see real improvements.
@@CarlJohnson234 ^^^^^^ spot on
@@CarlJohnson234 That's not really an excuse though - Intel is obviously able to cram out more performance with the same memory-bandwidth of LPDDR4X - AMD is being stingy with how many COMPUTE-units they're giving us...! If they gave us a few more units, like Intel does, then the performance would improve.
@@predabot__6778 Sure intelboy, brag about your kittylake notebook with the 4 cores. It will become obsolete in less than 3 years.
As kittylake's GPU is way larger than the one on Renoir/Cezanne
@@predabot__6778 I f you want more CUs go for R5 3400G (R3 3200G), these equipped with 11 CUs. Most of the time CU count does not matter, hence why 4xxx series (and 5xxx too) APUs are able to compete with previous ones albeit with lower CU count but with much higher clockspeed (and some minor tweaks) are able to outperform them in most instances. So it's 50/50, in some scenarios it matters, in some others not that much. On the other note, APUs are power and thermally restricted, so you cant just simply put more cores and increase clockspeed, as integrated graphics share power with cpu cores, so there's that. Also it's not linear scaling with CUs due memory bandwidth i mentioned before.
1:55 lol, let’s not forget the fact 5800U, 5800HS, 5800H, 5900HS, 5900HX, 5980HS and 5980HX all essentially are the same 8c/16t AMD processor with different stock clocks and TDP limit.
I repeat, ALL processors starting from mobile 5800 are THE SAME 8c/16t CPU.
Imagine that!
Lmao 🤣
So you think they can put 12 cores in a laptop cpu and 5980HX doesn't exist, and there is only one laptop with 5980HS that is in the Asus Flow X13
@@naseemyasir therapist: 5980HX doesn't exist, it can't hurt your 8 cores
5980HX: www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-9-5980hx
P.S.: I think they technically can do that, yeah. That's not my point though.
My point is bloody naming. 7 bins for a single CPU with names assuming different core counts, while in reality it's the same. That's nuts. There is heavily marketed 5900X and OEM 5900, both are advertised to have 12 cores. So tell me, how many people will buy a laptop with mobile "5900" on board, which essentially is a mobile 5800 with higher power delivery target in the microcode, thinking they are getting an 12 cores processor due to desktop marketing?
I am fine with 8 cores. But they could call these 5850HS/HX, 5880HS/HX, or you know? Maybe don't do 7 bins of the same CPU separated by 10 watts and 100mhz between each other?
Since when USB naming is the role model?
@@EriIaz I'm incredibly sorry for that mistake and I don't think there would a big of a perf. gap between the 5900hx and 5980hx
@@naseemyasir Exactly. The price gap is hefty though.
This video got linked on AMD's official facebook page just now. Great news😁
I'd be really interested in battery life comparison of 15w tiger lake (rawr) vs 15w 3rd gen zen
well, by being made with their scuffed 10nm node and only 4 cores boosted by frequency scaling, Tiger Lake might be quite worse in long-term power draw.
I would love to buy one if there were any on sale anywhere.
How much better the AMD lineup meanwhile is you can see in the Matlab benchmark, in which AMD outperforms the Intel CPUs despite tigerlake sports AVX512 relevant in this bench.
Properly said AMD beats intel in their own sponsored benchmarks.
Amd dont support avx512? Didnt know that
Now watch what happens on Ryzen when you "unfuck" the gimping Intel's compiler does in Matlab: www.extremetech.com/computing/302650-how-to-bypass-matlab-cripple-amd-ryzen-threadripper-cpus
It's interesting that Zen 2 and Zen 3 have similar performance at 15W. I guess it makes sense that AMD made some of their 5000-series lineup Lucienne then - they may as well if it has the same performance and has a smaller die than Cezanne.
I keep laptops for many years. An OLED screen, where the blue pixels have half the half-life of the other pixels, yellows relatively quickly. That is unacceptable to me. I hate that reviewers just started ignoring this deal-breaking flaw with OLED displays.
Apart from that, I love the review. This is very interesting and a decent bump for AMD. The lack of an improved iGPU was disappointing.
please make a video comparing m1 based products with zen 3 based ultrabooks
That talk about Thunderbolt is so common in reviews but I never actually seen a port or device for it in my entire life. Starting to thing it's american thing. Isn't using standard USB for everything is more convenient and some of new type C provide enough speed and power for anything?
Yea it's an American thing
Americans only buy apple products hence there's only two known ports in America
Lightning port & thunderbolt port
So obviously there are many thunderbolt accessories available in American market
Thunderbolt is common on quality docking stations. Traveling staff usually have a docking station with desk keyboard/mouse/monitor(s) at their office. It is less common among private consumers. Unless they've worked somewhere that used this and thus consider it "standard equipment".
Its somewhat frustrating to keep hearing reviews mention it, because OEMs have the option to put it in AMD devices but don't. Intel has a certification process to use the term Thunderbolt(and logo), that would likely either charge too much for, or outright block in a lot of cases. Asrock has 1 officially certified AMD ITX motherboard, and other AMD desktop boards with it. Other board makers offer it, without certification.
On the flip side, the majority of people don't actually use it when they have it. The most legitimate use is from native devices, which are niche uses like audio interfaces. Most of those people are using a Mac. Practically everyone else is fine with USB and only ever plug in a mouse and 1 storage device.
Nice review, AMD should be the one to go, for people complained about 5%-10% diference on ST in some tests on tiger lake, just remember that after your system is fully loaded with programs in background, drivers, this diference will simple dissappear.
Im glad you compared it to 4800U, bought me a Yoga Slim 7 last year and i was curious how much better the 5800U was. Seeing AMD play with different architectures is very smart. If they keep up this momentum, and squeeze out even better single core performance, intel will have to admit defeat.
Great Review (as always). The 5800u is really interesting but I would love that AMD propose a Zen3 APU with 6 cores and more GPU compute units (like 16 Vega CUs or better). Doubling the GPU perf with a few less cpu cores would be a big win for gaming and 3D apps.
Or you know... an RDN2 igpu . At this rate, the next year laptops might be using DDR5 to compensate it.
patience young padawan
looking at amd patents, and some forum discussion out there
there is no need for them (at least for now) to increase vega CU, as the bottleneck is not within CU itself but RAM Bandwidth (DDR4)
so cramming more CU does not magically improve graphic performance
that, until DDR5 come, and with RDNA2 CU
@@soekarmana So 2022 then?
No improvement in iGPU performance year over year seems like an odd choice from AMD knowing that Tigerlake was ahead here?
Especially knowing that they have RDNA2 technology, but are still using iterations of Vega here.
@@Arjun-eb1yc
Even if they didn't use Navi, they literally reduced the number of CUs going to Renoir from 11 to 8 on a smaller process!
16 Vega CUs would be pretty good. If I turn off the 1660 in my laptop the Vega 7 graphics are good enough to play tomb raider, Hellblade and other games!
Now I want to see the high-power Zen 3 gaming laptop CPUs with dedicated GPUs in games!
now i want to see high-power zen3 gaming cpus with dedicated gpus (3070 max-p) at ALL, and at reasonable price, as i've seen 0 max-p ryzen laptops but many intel ones, and at competitive prices.. after all, unlike desktop the value is the whole package as u cant just buy the cpu
I thought the whole reason they skipped from 3000 to 5000 on the desktop was to clean up the mess with last-gen cores in mobile parts sharing namespace with current gen desktop cores. And now they're going right back and mucking it up again at the first opportunity.
Also disappointing that they STILL haven't updated to RDNA (1 or 2) on the mobile parts.
I'm sure they're good cpus, but I can't help but feel they fumbled the ball a bit with this on.
Could the small performance regression in some tests at 15W be that the doubled cache size is drawing more power, taking it away from the cores? Then at 25W that extra power can go straight to the cores?
Possibly. Although there's a bunch more changes in there that could cause unexpected results.
This is the first Ryzen laptop with an OLED Screen and kudos to Asus to incorporate Ryzen 5000U series in their Premium Zenbook design. Regarding performance, ZenBook 13 and 14 laptops always use conservative TDP settings in different performance mode. Would love to see some Lenovo IdeaPad 5 and Ideapad / Yoga Slim 7 Laptops with Ryzen 5000U and how they perform. Lenovo normally provides higher power limits to the Processors for longer duration for Ryzen CPUs. My ThinkPad T14 can go up to 35 to 40W during load with Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U
AMD keeps lunching Intel when they're down. AMD is absolutely killing it 🚀🚀
I'd love to see some desktop comparisons in these charts. It wouldn't need to be much, even just 1 machine. It'd be very useful for getting a broader context though.
Hope we actually get the 5800U in volume in the Us. I was disappointed with the 4700U missing SMT.
Microsoft just revealed Surface Laptop 4 on their site.
They all have the same battery capacities, but AMD versions (6 and 8 cores) have *longer* battery life than Intel versions (all 4-cores because Kittenlake).
Proper high resolution screens with 3:2 aspect ratio and all that for every model.
However, based on the processor model names (4680U and 4980U), they appear to be Zen2 based, not Zen3 based.
That pretty much shows you what Intel has to do in order to keep that 14nm++++++ node even remotely relevant.
Pump power into it like there's no tomorrow.
Imagine that battery efficiency from the zen3 ultralight processors
@@paulelderson934 Actually, TigerLake (which I jokingly called KittenLake in my comment) is 10 nm SuperFin.
Hi! Thank you very much for this very detailed and comprehensive review. Just one point missing, although I understand it was very accessory since contextualized to this specific laptop: I would have loved some compared evaluation of battery life for both APUs to have an idea of how much Intel trades autonomy for higher performance.
Thanks in advance if it can be done. Keep up the good work :)
Still AMD didn't include PCIe 4.0 in Ryzen 5000 Mobile...
how would that have any tangible benefit on a laptop?
@@SuprSi NMVe PCIe 4.0 and for DIY eGPU with M.2 connection (PCIe 4.0 x4 = PCIe 3.0 x8). Also the Mobile chip are used in Mini PC segement, normally use in company/enterprise ambient.
@@PauloRAgostinho Didn't think anyone was still bothering with eGPU's on laptops but that does make sense I suppose.
NVMe 3.0 drives are still blazing fast tho, doubt I could tell the difference between 3.0 and 4.0 for everyday stuff.
@@SuprSi It's a niche market , but some people still use eGPU.
Hmm, links do not go to the AMD version product page. Are you sure they are available?
Awesome looking product. Shame that most PC stores in NZ only seem to have old gen stock on hand since the new tech is so popular they can't even demo the hardware!
Damn this technology...
Everything changes so fast...
Back in the day I could not wait for new hardware and now I can't keep up with this madness...
Any chance of a 5700u review, seeing as 5800u are mythical creatures
Nice! I'm going to be getting a laptop with the updated 5825U!
Just got one laptop (5825U) for college so far is an amazing experience.
Looking at the graph, i dont have to upgrade my 4800H yet. Next year my friend!
Hi Tim, great review as always.
Do you think it is worth to perform a "bloated" benchmark? By that I mean the average office user, so multiple excel and word instances open. Multiple Chrome tabs and probably with one playing music from youtube or spotify. Outlook and Teams running too.
The idea here is too see how much performance we lose by having all that open and if a processor with more cores can hold better in those case (This goes directly against your Tiger-lake conclusion where you said you would get the 4c/8t for the higher ST performance and that 8c/16t is kinda overkill anyway for this form factor).
yes sir, i want to see a real performances comparisson like they did to smartphone.
Background apps consume very very very little CPU. Even spotify while playing barely makes a difference on my 10 year old i5 laptop.
I get where you're going with this though, and Gamers Nexus actually did test it, and found that if they made an absolute effort to download and install the entire internet's worth of free gadgets they lost.... about 1-2% FPS in their gaming suite.
Modern day programs use what is known as an event loop. That is, the program is completely frozen until some kind of event runs in (muse click, network package, etc). Programs that poll services (like Outlook in online mode) use an event timer. That is, it tells the OS that it want's to sleep for 10 seconds voluntarily. The OS then wakes it up, it checks for new data in it's network socket, and if that is empty, orders another 10 seconds of sleep. It only takes a few hundred clock ticks of CPU time to check if there is data in the socket, so even triggering every 0.1 second wouldn't make it observable to the user. The background noise in Windows itself (or rather, it's service executables) is far too unpredictable to put your finger down on a single back ground app.
@@andersjjensen That does make sense.
Thank you for your reply
Woohoo! Cant wait for the 5600u review
Another review said the webcam was abysmal and the keyboard was too cramped for large hands. Please comment?
That's not what he tests lmao
I like this kind of video discussing Intel and AMD Under the hood
If possible, can you test it against the Apple M1? There is no valuable review that I found between these two and I think it should be interesting despite of the architectural differences.
Its impossible to benchmarl due to os difference unless you can find application that both exist on windows and mac
Buy based on which os will work for you.
Buy according to your needs
Both are powerful enough for productivity based workloads check if your needed software are available for windows and mac & then decide what is important for you
We only need one single benchmark for the M1: How fast can it emulate x86. That's it. If it can't do that really fucking efficiently it is as much of a novelty toy as everything else Apple makes.
Super helpful video for us buying these off lease in 2024 :)
All this performance, for 4W less than my Asus U38N (also an Zenbook) with an A8-4555M. AMD really has come a long way since 2013.
AMD knocking it out of the park recently. Still building my 'home office' stuff at the moment so laptop will probably have to wait till later this year or next year but it's going to be nice when I finally get around to upgrading.
Did somebody make a joke about the 5800U vs the 10980HK in productivity yet? That's actually hilarious even with the time and driver and component differences! 😂
An ultralight amd cpu at 25w beating the top high power 45w gaming laptop offering from Intel in over 75% of workloads.
This is absolute madness.
thx for adding excel on performance benchmark, many of us is not content creator. As telco engineer, excel and PowerPoint is the most important application.
This was incredibly informative.
damn I remember when the fastes ultrabook only had 2 cores when I got my laptop. tech has improved so much
That was 5 years ago.
In four of which intel was refreshing Skylake.
Still we saw how useful extra cores are even if on 14nm and 15W.
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 damn 5 years ago? time goes fast....
@@ameliabuns4058 I didn't follow U series closely as they were dual-cores. i3s, i5s, i7s. Yes i7s.
While intel kept quad cores on desktop laptop sat on hyperthreaded dual cores for all the i-crap models. Only the high-end gaming laptops got quad-core i7s, and obviously no high-end gaming laptop used U-series dual-core.
It was when Ryzen came that intel increased cores on laptops. Up to 6 on H-series and 4 for U.
@@ameliabuns4058 going pretty fucking slow for me, at least right now
Seems the 4800u/ 5700u still holds up pretty well considering the price and availability of the 5800u. I'm picking up a Flex 5 with a 5700u sooner or later.
Pretty crazy that Intel now has the better IGP. I wonder why they AMD didn't go with RDNA2 for this gen, it would have been a runaway win IMO.
One thing to make the 5kU (or 5kH* for that matter) Ryzen APU better option than Intel Tiger Lakes, besides the architectural significant factors such as M.2 NVMe PCIe4 support or USB3.2.2x2/USB4 support or TB3+ support, is to make the VCE just as good (and as efficient and as performant and as widely supported) or better than Intel's QSV. Cause Intel doesn't need in many cases to win in a H264/5 software de-/en-coding as often such thing is simply offloaded to the significantly better QSV in the Xe iGPU that's also supported by most tools nearly out of the box.
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Can't wait to see this in handheld devices like the Aya Neo!
While I agree with Tim's statement that singlethread performance needs heavy emphasis when evaluating thin-and-light laptop performance I still do maintain that raw core count needs equally heavy emphasis when it comes to evaluating the potential longevity of the system. Core count and cache size is what is going to determine, way down the track, when a system is going to feel sluggish in day-to-day use. That used to be hard disk speed, but anything that measures in the gigabytes per second class is going to handle application startup at sub-second no problem.
Nice, but that laptop, without audio jack, can stay on the self. There was no reason to remove it on a such big device.
Now if only we had more choice of compelling Ryzen ultrabooks...
Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 and ASUS Zenbook are as compelling as they get...
@@andersjjensen Unfortunately, just the 14" Slim 7. I have the 13.3" version with the QHD display but that one is only available with a Tiger Lake processor.
There is an AMD version of the Slim 7 Pro that people seem to be raving over, but it's a 45W part, not a U-series part.
Really want to see stuff like the Dell XPS, HP Spectre and the usual like the LG Gram come with the U-series Ryzen, if anything mainly for the sake of choice
Thanks for a very detailed comparison.
tims pumping out the videos this week
Please please please review the OLED display of this laptop!
Finally an OLED laptop to perhaps replace my ancient (4 years old now) HP x360 Spectre Limited Edition. I was waiting for a laptop with OLED and AMD Zen3 CPU because there simply no way I'd go back to inferior display technologies.
Ancient? That's practically new! My 10 year old HP ProBook 6550b laughs in disgust! :P
From my experience, HP is always worse than Dell at similar price point.
@@howardlam6181 The Limited Edition doesn't really have a price point. It wasn't issued for sale to regular costumers.
@@SaturnusDK Missing the point. If you care so much about the specifics, then compare it with the normal spectre.
@@howardlam6181 Why? I have literally zero interest in that. I'm interested in a new laptop with OLED display and AMD Zen3 APU with the right design. I don't give a rats arse how much it costs. It may cost $3-4-5000, don't care.
The Zenbook isn't it as the design looks cheap and tacky but it's a good effort by ASUS.
Unless you keep your script inside you lens or completely memorize over 20 minutes if script, I don't understand how you always keep eye contact with the camera! Great job! Keep up the good work!
Ever heard of teleprompters?
@@sahilmeena8018 I had not until today after a quick google. That's a cool product!
Fantastic work from AMD, now all they have to do is:
- have a partner manufacturer that will build them into premium devices
- actually have ANY of these cpus available for those laptops to be built
Two almost insurmountable obstacles it seems
I'm still waiting on a thinkpad 2 in 1 with ryzen 5000 and an oled screen :(
I disagree with you on the confusing nature of the naming.
Given your testing I actually think it is very good and informs well about the products :
- In the 5000U line-up for the same number of cores Zen 2 are under their Zen 3 counterparts. The 5000H line-up also doesn't use the 700 500 and 300, so the seem to be reserved to the Zen 2 parts.
- The results between the 4800U and 5800U are very close (except on the cache heavy applications). So the same is probably true comparing the 5700U and 5600U.
Now a interesting comparison now would be the 5700U vs 5600U, on those cache heavy applications. Would the larger and better cache would be enough to make the 5600U perform better than the 5700U ?
But other than that case, the naming does seem to be very close to the reality. So in my opinion it is not misleading a poorly informed consumer.
Although if the 5600U significantly outperforms the 5700U, it wouldn't be quite as a good naming. But even in that case it would still be well better average for a laptop related naming scheme.
Thanks for ingluding matlab benchmark?
I'd be interested to see a comparison with the 5800U at 35W via Ryzen Controller.
The intel flavor is perfect for a 13 to 14 is ultrabook/ultraportable gaming laptop with the intel XE video card having the edge over the Ryzen.. I am 45, and my eyes aren't what they use to be, and even at 720p on a screen this size with eye candy all high, you barely/don't see a difference in gaming experience using my Acer Swift3 14inch, and this is using AMD 4700u; I could imagine the Intel XE in a form factor like my laptop. I do not use my laptop much for productivity, and most on the go entertainment, so the extra horse power on the video card is really more important to me, but atleast my current laptop is also usable with heavy lightroom on the go if I need it.
FYI your links show no laptops for the Ryzen 7 5800u.
Last time I was this early, ryzen was still 14nm
How did you raise the TDP to 25 watts?
Also, is the short term TDP 30w and the long term 25w?
What is better? Ryzen 7 5800u or i5 12500h?
I will be using it for Heavy excel usage, accounting softwares and casual gaming.
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Man, AMD has really been killing it these past couple years
Curious to see the difference between 5700U and 5600U given the difference in architecture
Which is better 7 5800u or i7-1165g7 for daily office use like some excel, photoshop, some video editing and lots browsing ? Also which is even more better for watching videos & music?
Question for the experts: How long would a laptop with such a CPU and GPU last?
I can't concentrate when there is a caterpillar on Tim's face.
Didn’t Intel stop releasing U processors with Comet Lake? This came at no surprise to anyone
Felt like I am watching a stock market report.
Intel is not in trouble. It outsells portables about 5 to 1 to AMD. And although I would like a more balanced sales figure, just so prices would be more affordable, I see no real change coming.
how are the same tests performed at different processor powers? How 15W, then 25W, then 30W? How is power changed?
I so much want to update my notebook to zen 3 but it is missing usb4/thunderbolt4, AV1 codec and PCI-e 4.0 which the Tiger Lake have. What do you think?
Would like to see the macbook M1 compared especially now it runs windows now....
Hi may i ask lenovo thinkpad E15
Cpu - ryzen 7 5800u
Ram - 8gb
Ssd - 512 gb
AMD RADEON graphic ( intergrated graphics) or
Lenovo thinkbook 15
Cpu - ryzen 7 5700u
Ram - 16 GB
SSD - 512 GB
Graphic - AMD RADEON GRAPHIC (integrated graphics)
Which one to choose price is almost the same only less than 50$ different