"If you care about Ray Tracing, the GeForce card is better value. If you don't care about Ray Tracing, the Radeon card offers better rasterization performance for the price" - this video, basically. Edit: oh yeah, and just forget about the Non-Super refresh counterparts.
I think you can make that even easier: If you want a $50 discount for lower raytracing performance you can get AMD Me, I gladly pay extra for the assurance that I can use every feature including DLSS.
and naming DLSS superior to FSR is big stretch. Is better, in some cases, but FST become better over time, and stop frame comparison... is not as you play games.
@@m_sedziwoj Great advice for AMD gpu owners. They can't see DLSS in action. Nvidia gpu owners can switch between FSR, XeSS, DLSS. And they choose DLSS 100% of the time.
Meanwhile, the Mid-Year CPU Update: AMD: Great and Zen 5 comes out soon! Intel: EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE Further update: It's revealed the entire 13th and 14th gen stack is compromised, everything 65w and up. RIP
@@tonymorris4335 I mean, at least they're aware of issues and delaying so they can fix them.... as opposed to being aware of issues, releasing anyway, then blaming everyone under the sun
@@tonymorris4335 - It's not fucked at all, several samples made it through, they're fine (they're just not the X3D models yet). They delayed the official launch so that reviewers compare Zen 5 to _patched_ 14th gen Intel CPUs, which will likely be slower than unpatched ones. The fact that they hadn't even released official prices means this wasn't a last-minute decision, they were waiting for Intel to make a move (announcing the microcode patch). Plus they get to say: "See, we're a very responsible company that won't hesitate to recall every CPU out there that doesn't meet our quality standards (unlike _certain people,_ nudge-nudge), and we'll have it all fixed in less than two weeks."
Some of Intel's 12th gen CPUs are actually pretty compelling options in the midrange and low-end market. It's just that their newer high-end stuff tends to blow itself up.
@@ElladanKenet How much of AMD's issue is actually a problem as opposed to waiting for intel to come out with the post-update chip benchmarks to see how much AMD can charge
They sell cards since thye want the cut on you making money on your graphics crap with mining -if you can make 500$ they add this to your gpu since they cant give away money so you should ask who are the gus behind this -wall street or and greedy people like banks and similar
whats worse is the low end GPUs don't have enough VRAM to even run modern games properly, so you have to pay the higher prices to get the VRAM you need.
@@sudd3660 Yes, but I also heard of investing. I'm still broke and complaining about GPU prices because I'm not an adult yet, so I don't care if you're rich.
Depends on your use case of course, I'd imagine a 4090 would be a big upgrade if you want to play the latest games all the time. If not, the 6800XT is great.
I was so sad when i saw the 600 usd 6950xt deals when 40 series launched . Sandly none of them happened here in macedonia . Got a 7800xt a year ago (wold have prefered a 7900gre , its existance was a myth at thr time ) its going to last me for 4-6 more years., by then ray traceing is going to be a real thing
Its like people are stuck in 2014. Its been a decade, you're not getting an XX80 ti/s for 800~ anymore, its not happening, it will never happen again, its 200~ more now. Its not the end of the world. You people remind me of listening to my boomer grandparents talk about how they could get a bag of groceries and fill their gas tank for ten bucks. The scalping/mining situation for a few years, when you couldn't find ANYTHING for less than 2xMSRP, was when things were bad. Things are fine now, people just acting super weird.
@@EloyBushida I have had grandparents that did the same thing and didn't account for inflation when they discussed prices from the old days. I will admit though that the $200 price difference you suggest is a bit on the generous side.. an X70 class card (RTX 4070 for reference) cost $550 in 2024 dollars. an X70 class card (GTX 970 for reference) cost $329 in 2014 dollars. That a 67% difference (not accounting yet for inflation). When inflation is accounted for we find that $1 in 2014 is worth $1.33 in 2024. Inflation accounts for about only 50% of the price hike that is observed.
@@davidmacfarlane4761 The 1080TI cost around 800, the 4080 super costs 1000. Its around 200. I'm not just talking about inflation, prices go up outside inflation, its just how it is. If anything the PC and console gaming spaces have been lucky in this regard. I remember buying SNES games for 80 bucks in the 90s. 80 bucks in 1993 is like 170 now.
Yeah people still use their 5700xt and it works pretty good. But what about 12gb 4070 super in 5 years? The 3070 is pretty much dead nowadays, its powerful but the vram kills it for modern games. This is why RDNA 2 is being talked about 1 generation later and not ampere.
@@12coco100 The 5700 XT is starting to have issues in some games because of the 8GB of vram, though considering that it's been five years, and considering that it offered excellent bang per buck for a card released in 2019, and considering that its closest priced competitor from Nvidia had 6GB of vram, and with the more expensive 2060 Super also having 8GB, I definitely wouldn't consider that to be worthy of criticism.
@12coco100 12 gb is enough for 95% games at 1440p. The games where it's not enough are poorly optimized by the developers. More would be better of course, but 12 gb is certainly enough
Funny enough. I had a 3070. No plans to upgrade, then the 7900 GRE came in the picture and I just upgraded to it finally. The value it offers is insane when overclocked slightly. 7900xt was over my budget, 7800xt didn’t offer enough uplift in performance. It was the perfect sweet spot for me.
I would disagree as I do both. PCs are far cheaper if you can avoid always wanting higher resolutions and ultra detail. Get a 1440p monitor with a target of 150fps, set in game detail to med/high and buy a used $300 GPU and enjoy for the next 3yrs. Sell parts when you find excellent deals.
@@marcneljoseph9839 That is some bad logic there bud. You made a statement about MC being a more financially sound “HOBBY”. You didn’t state MC are better at running errands and visiting family. I would have agreed if you said that. And a hobby MC means more cost for insurance, registration, up keep and gear vs just driving your car.
@@marcneljoseph9839 but PC makes more profit for a guy that is working in IT sphere, he can't do the job on his bike. Weird comparison. So you are not buying a refrigerator because it can't take you to your grandma?
5700 XT with FSR3 FG, Lossless Scaling and modding FSR 2.1/3.1 in all games, the card card has plenty of performance left over. On Linux, it's even up to 30% faster in some games.
Damn. 7800xts start at about US$480 in Australia now. Can't find new 6700xt or 6800. I'm basically stuck staring at TPU charts and watching these videos instead of buying a GPU :(
I'm the same, but these days I usually buy last gen mid/high end card second hand, around the time new gen comes to market. Just makes more sense to me from financial stand point and also you can find good deals. So, for example, I bought RTX 3080 around the time 40 series came out. Previously I had GTX1080Ti, which I also bought second hand when 2000 series was already selling.
If you want to get the most value out of your CPU or GPU you should buy them when they launch. There are of course exceptions when prices are exorbitant like in 2021. You really don't save as much money as you think you do, if any at all.
I'm trying to build myself a PC. And My job has a 4070 ($529) and I could get it 25% off after Black Friday. So the question is should I wait or buy it
Here in the UK its so broken. 4060ti or 7900GRE? gee that's hard lol 7900xt or pay +£100 (15%) for a budget 4070ti super 7900xtx or decent 4070ti super You pretty much only buy Nvidia if you never compare prices and just don't care, I'm surrounded by Nvidia cards but it seems they don't want my money anymore so going forward all the builds I do will be AMD.
Much of the world is seeing the same thing, Nvidia is struggling to price cards competitively and I'm wondering if they need refreshes so they can cut prices on non-Super cards to appear competitive. Not that anyone in the know is going to take a 4070 over a 7900XT, but for people looking for a sticker on a prebuilt, it's the best they're going to get.
@@nipa5961 That's why you wait for sale on nvidia cards ;) I got 4080 for 900$ almost 1.5 year ago (which was actually below 7900XTX price at the time xD)
Nvidia is such a poor choice in the low to mid-range when the 7800XT can be found quite often for below £500 while 4070 (supers) are often £100 more with (close-to) MSRP models being worse quality versus comparable Radeon AIB models in that bracket
even though the current gen GPU market isn't so good right now i think last gen AMD GPUs are amazing, we have 6650XT at $220, 6750XT at $300, 6800 non XT at $360, 6800XT at $430 .. all of which are really good value in my opinion
My seven-year-old 1070 is still kicking. I'm currently debating on whether it's the right time to sell everything and build a new PC from scratch with 7600 and 7700 XT. Wish someone could guide me in this regard!
Well not always as there was also the R9 fury and R9 390x which ran very hot , also paired with the bad drivers of the late 2010's I think which made AMD gpu's a bad buy for people which then went to buy Nvidia.
RX7900xt owner here. I bought it over a year ago with nice discount for ~250€ less than 4070ti, a direct competitor, was priced back then. The issue was that 12gb of vram was deal breaker for such massive spending on GPU, while it was way worse behaving on my 32:9 Superultrawide monitor for all non-RT games, even with DLSS. And here we are, year later, and i'm still super happy about that purchase at the time. 20gb of Vram is great for both RT and FSR. FSR3.1 rocks. Right now i probably would go with 4080super, as it's much more reasonable card than 4070/4070ti or even regular 4080 were back then. It sucks that Nvidia needed a year to fix their initial bad products
@@kacperjestfajny $1200 for 16Gb vram? That's a F joke. I'm rocking 7900 xtx with 24Gb for $900. Having fun with all CUDA apps thanks to ZLUDA. 4080 super couldn't even run what AMD does.
same I wanted to get ray tracing performance but 12gb just sucks no way I'm spending that much money for last gen mid range vram. So I got the 7900xt I target 4k and fsr looks good. I got it for like $720 with a free game that I already own on Playstation but I'm happy with ny purchase. I can play even play ark at 4k 60fps with high settings.
In Europe, there is still 6950XT to be had. Got 1 on Prime day for 379$, an absolute steal, though it's only a reference model. Nice interim upgrade from 1080ti.
The 7900 GRE vs 7800 XT comparison is very misleading. The GRE is 12% more expensive for a 9% uplift in performance, but that's at stock settings where it's very limited. An overclock of 15% to its memory only (which is what TechPowerUp achieived with their sample) results in a 14.9% increase to its performance in a synthetic benchmark. In your 4K 12 game average that results in a 73 FPS average, putting it over the 4070 Ti Super and right under the 7900 XT
HUB dont test overclocking. The performance gained from an overclock is not guaranteed and therefore a serious reviewer would never use it as a point of comparison. Of course, I would also get a GRE over a 7800 xt but if AMD wanted to make the card look better they should have just shipped it with higher memory. Edit: speeds, memory speeds.
Overclock settings are very dependent on silicon lottery. You can get a lemon that can't overclock well. And overclocking memory for GPU is such time consuming. Increase in clocks doesn't guarantee increase in performance for GDDR6 because Error Correction kicks in and hurts performance.
Yes their conclusions are heavily tilted wrt RT otherwise 7900GRE is the best value if RT is not important. It overclocks by 12-15% to close the gap towards 7900XT and raw performance matching or (in some games) beating a 4070 Ti Super for just around 535 usd.
@@wfb.subtraktor311 yup. not fair to test all cards at stock then have one heavily OC. if you OC the 7900GRE then the nvidia user can just OC their and the 7900XT users can do the same.
If you're in the US then 6750XT beats it at just $300. RX 6800 is available for a good price everywhere which gives it the upper hand in europe and other places however.
@@anitaremenarova6662 For an older system, the 6700 XT or 6750 XT might be the better choice, as an older system is more likely to bottleneck a 6800, and you do need a more powerful power supply, more space in your case, and better case ventilation, to accomodate an RX 6800. However, assuming that your system isn't too slow or just too small to accommodate an RX 6800, even the most basic models of RX 6800 are of better build quality than the cheaper models of RX 6700 XT or 6750 XT, and also considering that it has 33% more vram in addition to significantly more computer power, an additional 50 USD is likely well worth it, and I'd say that the 6800 is actually likely to be a better value, but I think that will also come down to exactly what models are available as well. Pricing and availability can fluctuate a fair bit, and can vary a lot by region. For a new system, the extra 50 USD to get the RX 6800 would be well worth it if you can possibly afford it, imo. Just make sure you have a good enough power supply and a sufficiently large and well ventilated case (it's a good investment to have a good power supply and a well ventilated case anyway).
got mine for 250$ while the latest gen are eyewatering 100$+ above MSRP here (i live in a shithole don't ask), couldn't ask for more personally esp considering i need the VRAMs, great and efficient card
Can't decide between 4070 Super and 7900 GRE. The +4 gigs of VRAM in 7900 GRE feels really useful for longevity but it lacks DLSS which is arguably superior to FSR.
just went from a 3070 to a 4080s. i used the FSR + framegen combo on the 3070 and can easily say DLSS + 4000s series framegen is superior, especially in looks. FSR is just so muddy. was really looking into the AMD cards but the software side of nvidia sold me but you cant go wrong with either of those cards :)
IMO the better efficiency and RT of the RTX 4070 Super make it slightly better overall, but the 7900 GRE is also usually a bit cheaper, so neither is clearly a better deal than the other. The best choice probably comes down to what games you play, and whether they work better on AMD GPUs or Nvidia.
I still have an EVGA RTX 2070 Super KO. For a card that is 4 years old and been through over 5000 hours of use with some graphics heavy titles. The card is still going.
I got a 4070 about a month ago. I probably could have optimized my choice more, but I don't regret it. One thing that's important to me that doesn't get brought up often is power consumption balanced with performance. I also couldn't find an equivalent with a two fan set up, and I was able to get the 4070 on sale. These videos are fun, but I don't think they're that useful when you consider the massive variation in people's situations.
The most balanced price to performance to power consumption ratio is the one that I always buy. Most people only look at the price and VRAM which are just two parts of the equation
Yeah, my friend got AsRock 7900GRE Steel Legend because over here in Europe at the time it was over 100eur cheaper than 4070 Super. He's pretty damn happy.
@@Micromation I have the exact same card, because I was tired of Nvidia's memory and price shenanigans - a beast of a card. My best GPU purchase in many years.
This is the worst advice ever. If you need a GPU, just buy it. Don't wait for the next generation. You can make that argument for almost everything. The next gen will be more expensive with not that much more performance. Generally speaking, plus most games can't even take advantage of the current gen we have now. You have to give it time for games to catch up in technology.
Artifacting and flickering culminating in Windows killing the graphics drivers and rebooting. I'm currently going through the very slow Intel RMA process. As its an LE model that they stopped making a year ago I'm expecting a refund rather than a fix/replacement but we will see. Its a pity as it has been a great card for me and the only game I had drivers issues in (Halo Reach) they fixed a few months back.
Just built a budget gaming pc and put in a Radeon 67650xt. Couldn't be happier with it. It handles 1440p ultra wide gaming without any issues, often pushing framerates up to the max my monitor can show of 144Hz on some older titles that I still like to play, and still comfortably in the 60-80fps range for more modern stuff. Was originally planning a 6700xt, but found a 6750xt on sale for the same price. I had compared them to some team green options, but decided to stick with team red for similar performance, but a few dollars less.
Nah, next gen will probably be quite good. I think Nvidia can't pull the 8gb poop on 70 series anymore, probably not even on 60 series anymore. They may want to slightly increase memory bus and PCIe lanes as to screw over people who bought the 4060, which is a classic in their playbook. DLSS looks fantastic too, it's the greatest addition to gaming since, idk, 3D accelerated graphics. The only issue right now is that AMD seems unable to un-fck FSR, it's like 5 years behind Nvidia and it's not getting better.
I don't play any games with impressive Ray Tracing, so I nabbed the 7900 XT when it first hit $700. The only Nvidia card I wanted was the 4080S. It was the cheapest of the 4080 models, and it was $1220 at the time that bought I my card. Nvidia prices are fucking nuts if you're just gaming, and don't have specific use cases. I'd argue any GPU price is crazy now, but that's just the market at the moment, sadly.
This is probably the first video i've seen that has a negative view of the 7900 GRE compared to other cards in the similar budget range. If i remember correctly a significant advantage of both 7800 XT and GRE compared to Nvidia is that they have 16 GM of vram instead of 12. Also correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't the GRE have one of the best fps value ?
@@anitaremenarova6662 To be fair, the reason i posted this comment is that I have a bias considering that i just bought a 7900 GRE. Having said that while i did find some videos mentioning how the GPU is in a weird place (between 7800 and 7900) this is the first videos that says it's overpriced compared to the 7800.
@@francesco8000 I meant that Hardware Unboxed has a bias. 7900 GRE is an excellent card, check out benchmarks by Ancient Gameplays to see how well it performs in 4K.
Same . I think they kinda overvalue Rt , its only good in 2 games rn , alen wake 2 and cb 2077. Also 16gb is very good even based on there own Gb usage testing .
The GRE is kinda meh tbh. It's a 7800XT for more money that's slightly better than a 7800XT if it overclocks well (not sure you'd want to gamble on it with real money though).
Just got a sapphire 7800 XT paired with a 7 7800x3d and the combo is a beast , I’m team red all the way will upgrade to the 7900 XTx if need be but probably won’t have to for quite awhile
I’m still concerned about the memory bus for $400US is 128-bit. I would expect at least 192-bit for this price point. Based on the current generation performance, I’m keeping my old as heck R9 390
Bus width means nothing. Memory bandwidth is what really matters. ~300 GB/s is good enough for 1080p, ~500 GB/s is fine for 1440p. 800+ GB/s is OK for 4K.
@@stangamer1151part of the buss with is the vram cap with it . Currently its standered to use 2gb chips , aka 2gb per 32bit buss . 192bit is minimun 12gb , and 128bit with 4gb chips at gddr 6x speeds is not the best . Gddr7 is faster , but early gen gddr 7 is not that much faster then gddr6x , more power efficent tho .
The low memory bandwidth of the 4060 ti can potentially be an issue, but it's actually very rare, and the memory bandwidth isn't as big of an issue as the lack of compute power, or the very small 8GB vram capacity of the cheaper model. 16GB is probably a bit excessive for that level of compute power, but having more than 8GB is definitely very useful, and there will probably eventually be some games where having more than 12GB could actually be useful with the 4060 ti. The 16GB model is a very slow card for the price, but, if you have very high electricity prices and/or if you also often play games in a hot, poorly ventilated room, and if you tend to play long hours, then the 16GB 4060 ti could end up saving you a lot of money in the long term and actually make back all of the money you could have saved by getting something like an RX 6800 or RX 6750 XT (and you should undervolt it whenever you're not playing demanding games to get the power usage down even lower). The 16GB 4060 ti can also be a good low-end workstation card for some specific types of workloads. It would have made a lot of sense if they had just made one 12GB desktop model of the 4060 ti, but that would have required making a completely different GPU die than the laptop version, which would have cost more money, and it probably would have also needed a 192-bit bus, which would have also cost more money. With the laptop version of the 4060 ti, it is more practical and less of a problem to have only 8GB of memory, given that the GPU runs a lot slower on the laptop variant and thus has less compute power, and likely runs games on a much smaller screen, so turning down the texture quality or the rendering resolution is less likely to actually hurt the subjective image quality as much, though even on the laptop variant, more vram still would have been useful and nice to have.
@@syncmonism no man. Texture is typically the most VRAM intensive setting, while being relatively cheap graphics processing wise. I had an rx580 with 8 GB of VRAM and I cranked that texture setting in most games and it really makes a bit visual difference. Just had to turn off volumetric fog and tune down shadows and lighting a bit and I was good back then It's absolute forced obsolescence of Nvidia to cut down VRAM to the extend that they have since the 10-series
I want at least 12 GB in next gen 5060, else what are we doing in last 6 years, we actually went back from 12 GB to 8GB in last gen instead of increasing VRAM in 70 class they reduced memory in 60 class, pathetic!
The 7800 XT is probably a better deal as it's just so close to the 7900 GRE in performance at a significantly lower price. The RX 6800 at 350 is definitely a better deal as well.
@@syncmonism I believe the GRE VRAM and higher raster performance make the card a better option for mid-level VR. Unfortunately, most popular tech channels are allergic to testing VR.
One small addition on the 6600 XT - in my experience the 6650 XT can often still be more available and potentially even cheaper. people seem to be forgetting it exists
The 6650xt is a brilliant card for the price. I used one for my budget build last year and it exceeded my expectations. Ive upgrade twice since but that doesnt take away from how good it is still
It's not bad, but I would definitely get a 6700 XT or 6750 XT over it, and if you can find an RX 6800 for around 350, and if you can possibly afford it, that's an even better deal, as long as your system is fast enough to not bottleneck it, with a sufficiently strong power supply, and enough space and ventilation to accommodate it.
$159 for the A580 is actually a pretty decent get if you need to shave a bit more money off the total; it's close to A750/RX6600 performance, and I personally didn't have any compatibility issues, though they are out there if you're digging deep deep into the Steam backlog I'm sure.
Yeah Arc in general is so good now, it just works. I've never had any issues with my a770, from installing drivers to daily stuff to gaming and video editing.
I went from RTX 2060 6GB (HP OEM variant...noisy whine) to an RTX 4070 founders edition that someone offered to buy for $850(sold) for and then bought an A750 AsRock for $150 (on sale). I have been impressed with the card other than ARC Software control sucks, as does the default Fan wanting to stay at 0rom until 60°C . (Adjusted so Fans are on all the time at around 1,200-1,400 rpm and temps are around 54°C even when playing First Decedent (1080p)
@@mariano3113 Yeah Arc control is definitely the worst part of having an Arc gpu lolll. It never finds the right drivers to update and it doesn't have that many useful features so I just avoid it all the time. Much easier to just get the drivers from Intel's website.
11:22 I found it impossible to keep all the prices in my head. I would have much preferred if you added GPUs and their prices to a list or table one by one. Maybe have the latest addition appear larger, then shrink it once the next one appears. This isn't as much of a problem if you only have two items, but I'd think for 4+ items, maybe consider always having them on screen at the same time to allow quick comparisons (of prices in this instance).
@@alexkolesen3765 Is this Canadian peso price? I've got one for 210eur (TUF) like a month ago. And yes, what else can you get for that much that beats it? 6700XT are ~280. 6700non-XT doesn't exist on 2nd hand market as far as I can tell. The next closest thing is 6800XT for 350. Nvidia didn't exactly have exciting lineup last generation when it comes to VRAM. 3080 is too expensive for what it is and still comes with only 10GB.
Best budget options as of right now (US/EU prices): 1080p max - RTX 3060 12GB at $280/300 1440p max - RX 6800 16GB at $360/422 2160p max - 7900 GRE 16GB at $530/608 1080p max + RT - RTX 4070 12GB at up to $489 used 1440p max + RT - RTX 4070 ti super at $780/870 2160p max + RT - RTX 4090 or ideally wait for gen 50
@@moravianlion3108 Yes, as a flagship it would be insufficient even without the connector issue. Wait for 50 series or if you really need a 4K card now 7900GRE/XT work just fine.
@@moravianlion3108 Yes, it's a budget 4K card that works extremely well when overclocked. Rn you can't get all the new RT to work alongside 4K at a playable framerate so might as well not even bother until they figure it out with 50 series flagship.
9 months ago I won an auction for a Liquid Devil 6800 XT for $416. The performance per dollar is incredible. Have not had one problem, and with an UV/OC the rasterization performance is identical to the 4070 Super, a card with less VRAM and priced 35% higher (+$245) when I bought the 6800 XT. I almost always question my CPU/GPU choices after buying, but this 6800 XT has become a rare case when I regret nothing and would 100% repeat my decision. I want nVidia and AMD to know I voted against both of them with my wallet. RDNA3 was also a poor value proposition compared with used RDNA2 GPUs. Not only did a secondhand factory water cooled 6800 XT cost me nearly $100 less than a new 7800 XT, it's also the faster card.
I found a 7800XT (Sapphire Pulse) for ~$610 so I bought it, seemed like a nice deal to me. (this is Sweden so prices aren't low, that card's about $720 normally)
Ya know, 40 years ago, a 10MB HDD used to be worth around $3000, which would be over 10,000 in modern USD prices. I guess we're in a similar tech era of crazy prices for some stuff, and a couple of years later there's a huge price decrease due to some new discovery. It also happened with RAM back then, when the Intel 80486 was king.
@@molly_mallard shit 1800 would be a great 👍 deal compared to what data centers are paying, obviously they are paying more for the VRAM but still your soo right
I don’t think it matters. People that want the best of the best will pay anything. Even when the 4090 was over $2000 it was still flying off the shelves. The 5090 can be $3000 and it will still sell out on release
I love my 7900XTX. Coming from console (PS5) and playing games at 4k/max settings with high fps is something to behold. I don’t use RT or Upscaling so I’m satisfied with my purchase.
I have a 6800 and I will probably wait to see how the 50 series shakes out. May just spring for a 5090 because I've never had a halo GPU and it'd be neat to do it at least once.
@@mitsuhh elden ring, mh world and rise, spider man 1 and miles morales, god of war pc, some diablo type games. can handle any game, got that new avatar game and was getting 100+ fps on max settings, didnt play much though.
It'd be intestering to see a poll of how many people actually use or care about ray tracing. Personally I have a 4070 Super and haven't found a single case where the performance hit was anywhere near worth the visual improvement.
how can you possibly recommend the 4070 super with 12gb of vram, when your testing showed that 12gb is already sometimes not enough for 1080p ultra when using features like RT and frame gen, for which the customer is paying a premium?
To be COMPLETELY fair, when using a card with alot of vram games will allocate as much as they want. So a 12+ allocation on a 24gb card isn't exactly accurate. Besides, ue5 and console generation will not change for a long time and so far I've not seen a properly optimized game that breaks the 4070S, so it will probably be fine for some years
@@DoomGuy148. Any evidence to support that? RX 580 received new drivers just 2 weeks ago. Also the most performance for the least amount of money will always be better than overpriced new architecture.
@@anitaremenarova6662 You''ll get updates but AMD will not release new features. I remember reading somewhere that with RDNA 4 will come features that will only be available for 7000 series GPUs while those below excluded.
@@DoomGuy148.You can't use DLSS on 10 series that needs it the most, while you can use FSR with it. Now tell me about abandoning the old architecture.
I did a dumb thing and bought an RTX 3060Ti for gaming during the scalperdemic. That said, I don’t regret it now. The price was high but the amount of use I’ve had out of it as a CUDA machine with Torch/Tensorflow for coming on 4 years has definitely paid it off. The 40 series has given me nothing in my price bracket as a decent upgrade so when I retire my desktop from work duties, I expect to keep my 5800X/3060Ti rig for a good while to come. The only reason that would change would be if Nvidia performs a (doubtful) out-of-the-park price/performance uplift in the 5060 class this coming generation.
It's nice to see that my 6800XT is still punching up.... This card has been holding me done for 4K high adjusted settings for a long time now.. It turned out to be a great buy back then, once the price dropped to MSRP and then below..
the XTX is a nothing burger of the GPU world it uses more power than a 4090 and performs 5-10% in raster who cares it's a dogsh*t GPU just get a 4080 or 4090 if you are spend over 1k simple.
@@ISeeQuality-ox8ku 7900 xtx tops at 350w, while stock 4090 goes up to 450w. While being only around 15% faster (on a good day). But costs 200% of 7900 xtx. The only dogsh*t here is your poor argumentation and lies. If I'm to choose between $900 7900 xtx or $1100 4080s, I'd go with AMD any day. Simple.
The rx 6800xt is also pretty good at overclocking which may be relevant if you don´t mind messing with clock speeds and voltages while shopping in the 500$ price range.
Sadly i was forced to upgrade cause i was stupid and used gaming laptops as a teen and it finally died like, blue sparks magic smoke died. So i decided id grab something that last a long time and grabbed a 4080 super :L (was feb sadly) coulda went 4090 but it didnt seem worth to me. cant wait to see it be like half off in a few months. If nvidia didnt hate gamers and gave cards lots of vram/bandwidth i woulda got a 4070 super prob but 12 gigs is a nah
Joined Team Red this year and I don’t see myself going back. Adrenaline Software is amazing. Prices are way better. Raster performance is way better. And I get that proper amount of VRAM.
I joined the red team 18 months ago and never seen someone who regret about it men. 18 months running a RX 6800, not a single issue, crash, slowness, nothing!
Awesome work. Cheers! I bought an RTX 4070 for myself. An RTX 4060 for my eldest son. And an RX 6600 for my youngest. Honestly the best value out of the lot was the RX 6600 (Gigabyte Eagle). It looks awesome, performs well, and costs a very reasonable AU$295/US$192. It's easily the smarter option if you are not looking above 1080p in my humble opinion.
@@puffyips I don;t understand why it will be "necessary", though? It just isn't, it'll always be just optional, for single-player games...? It's positively undesirable for competitive multi-player games, like DLSS, for all the reasons that we know about. Anyway, you want it, buy it!
i recenetly did an upgrade from gtx 960 to a rtx 3060 12g and i'm very happy with this budget king. plays every light game at 1440p and ps1 emulation rendering easily at 4k. when i buy something new i will make this thing a dedicated media player pc for living room. i heavily recommend this gpu for people on tight budget who just want to game modern games
"If you care about Ray Tracing, the GeForce card is better value. If you don't care about Ray Tracing, the Radeon card offers better rasterization performance for the price" - this video, basically.
Edit: oh yeah, and just forget about the Non-Super refresh counterparts.
Basically what they said during their last GPU video and the one before that as well.
Not really, the refresh caused many to sell their 4070 cards. You can easily nab one cheap with basically full warranty.
I think you can make that even easier:
If you want a $50 discount for lower raytracing performance you can get AMD
Me, I gladly pay extra for the assurance that I can use every feature including DLSS.
and naming DLSS superior to FSR is big stretch. Is better, in some cases, but FST become better over time, and stop frame comparison... is not as you play games.
@@m_sedziwoj Great advice for AMD gpu owners. They can't see DLSS in action. Nvidia gpu owners can switch between FSR, XeSS, DLSS. And they choose DLSS 100% of the time.
Meanwhile, the Mid-Year CPU Update:
AMD: Great and Zen 5 comes out soon!
Intel: EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE
Further update: It's revealed the entire 13th and 14th gen stack is compromised, everything 65w and up. RIP
Not really, AMD "DELAY LAST SECOND, OUR SHIT IS FUCKED TOO"
@@tonymorris4335 I mean, at least they're aware of issues and delaying so they can fix them.... as opposed to being aware of issues, releasing anyway, then blaming everyone under the sun
@@tonymorris4335 - It's not fucked at all, several samples made it through, they're fine (they're just not the X3D models yet). They delayed the official launch so that reviewers compare Zen 5 to _patched_ 14th gen Intel CPUs, which will likely be slower than unpatched ones. The fact that they hadn't even released official prices means this wasn't a last-minute decision, they were waiting for Intel to make a move (announcing the microcode patch).
Plus they get to say: "See, we're a very responsible company that won't hesitate to recall every CPU out there that doesn't meet our quality standards (unlike _certain people,_ nudge-nudge), and we'll have it all fixed in less than two weeks."
Some of Intel's 12th gen CPUs are actually pretty compelling options in the midrange and low-end market. It's just that their newer high-end stuff tends to blow itself up.
@@ElladanKenet How much of AMD's issue is actually a problem as opposed to waiting for intel to come out with the post-update chip benchmarks to see how much AMD can charge
The gaming industry is playing 4D chess, they're making PC games so unoptimized people will go back to consoles and GPU prices will lower.
Not really, half of the games run on Unreal Engine. Pretty optimized and well supported.
They sell cards since thye want the cut on you making money on your graphics crap with mining -if you can make 500$ they add this to your gpu since they cant give away money so you should ask who are the gus behind this -wall street or and greedy people like banks and similar
Nah, it's Nvidia doing that with low vRAM in their lower end GPUs.
whats worse is the low end GPUs don't have enough VRAM to even run modern games properly, so you have to pay the higher prices to get the VRAM you need.
thye know you make money as everyonelse just like a thief and psycopath everyone cheats and steals
Latest GPUs in Q3 2024:
Sub $100 - Non existent
$150 - $250 - Mediocre
$300 - $400 - Dogshit
$450 - $600 - Mediocre
$650 - $800 - Overpriced
$850 - $1,000 - Overpriced++
$1,050 and up - For rich people only
correct,dont buy anyhing for few years buy only used
so now i am rich... have you heard of saving.
@@sudd3660 Yes, but I also heard of investing. I'm still broke and complaining about GPU prices because I'm not an adult yet, so I don't care if you're rich.
@@sudd3660 in 2024? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Used market isn't perfect though. I dont want a gpu covered in vape residue, pet hair, and human skin...
For the price, there's still nothing for me to upgrade to from the RX 6800 XT.
Same. I think I will have mine for years to come
Same with my used 3090!
6800 XT still a champ imo
Depends on your use case of course, I'd imagine a 4090 would be a big upgrade if you want to play the latest games all the time. If not, the 6800XT is great.
I was so sad when i saw the 600 usd 6950xt deals when 40 series launched .
Sandly none of them happened here in macedonia . Got a 7800xt a year ago (wold have prefered a 7900gre , its existance was a myth at thr time ) its going to last me for 4-6 more years., by then ray traceing is going to be a real thing
"The best of a bad situation." Quite an understatement.
The "bad situation" has been going on for half a decade.
well the situation was even worse in 2020 to about the 1st half of 2022 or so I suppose..
Its like people are stuck in 2014. Its been a decade, you're not getting an XX80 ti/s for 800~ anymore, its not happening, it will never happen again, its 200~ more now. Its not the end of the world. You people remind me of listening to my boomer grandparents talk about how they could get a bag of groceries and fill their gas tank for ten bucks.
The scalping/mining situation for a few years, when you couldn't find ANYTHING for less than 2xMSRP, was when things were bad. Things are fine now, people just acting super weird.
@@EloyBushida I have had grandparents that did the same thing and didn't account for inflation when they discussed prices from the old days. I will admit though that the $200 price difference you suggest is a bit on the generous side.. an X70 class card (RTX 4070 for reference) cost $550 in 2024 dollars. an X70 class card (GTX 970 for reference) cost $329 in 2014 dollars. That a 67% difference (not accounting yet for inflation). When inflation is accounted for we find that $1 in 2014 is worth $1.33 in 2024. Inflation accounts for about only 50% of the price hike that is observed.
@@davidmacfarlane4761 The 1080TI cost around 800, the 4080 super costs 1000. Its around 200.
I'm not just talking about inflation, prices go up outside inflation, its just how it is. If anything the PC and console gaming spaces have been lucky in this regard. I remember buying SNES games for 80 bucks in the 90s. 80 bucks in 1993 is like 170 now.
If you spending 500-600 you should be getting 16gb standard. Not spending that on 12gbvram
Yeah people still use their 5700xt and it works pretty good. But what about 12gb 4070 super in 5 years? The 3070 is pretty much dead nowadays, its powerful but the vram kills it for modern games. This is why RDNA 2 is being talked about 1 generation later and not ampere.
@@12coco100 The 5700 XT is starting to have issues in some games because of the 8GB of vram, though considering that it's been five years, and considering that it offered excellent bang per buck for a card released in 2019, and considering that its closest priced competitor from Nvidia had 6GB of vram, and with the more expensive 2060 Super also having 8GB, I definitely wouldn't consider that to be worthy of criticism.
My 4070 has been great to me. Runs like a champ in 1440!
@@Hydra_X9K_Music definitely a good 1440p card, but it's not priced well at all. It should be under $500. $600 for 12gb vram is not great.
@12coco100 12 gb is enough for 95% games at 1440p. The games where it's not enough are poorly optimized by the developers. More would be better of course, but 12 gb is certainly enough
Funny enough. I had a 3070. No plans to upgrade, then the 7900 GRE came in the picture and I just upgraded to it finally. The value it offers is insane when overclocked slightly. 7900xt was over my budget, 7800xt didn’t offer enough uplift in performance. It was the perfect sweet spot for me.
how is the running cost on your upgrade? i just sold my 3070 ti because power cost is stupid.
I'm in the same boat I wanna get a 7900 gre but looking at the new 8800xt which might come put in a few months
I was in the same boat with my 3070 but then the 7900XT price drops happened
I'm now realizing that motorcycles are now a more financially sound hobby than PCs.
I would disagree as I do both. PCs are far cheaper if you can avoid always wanting higher resolutions and ultra detail. Get a 1440p monitor with a target of 150fps, set in game detail to med/high and buy a used $300 GPU and enjoy for the next 3yrs. Sell parts when you find excellent deals.
@@45eno I can't use my PC to visit Grandma or pick up take out.
@@marcneljoseph9839 That is some bad logic there bud. You made a statement about MC being a more financially sound “HOBBY”. You didn’t state MC are better at running errands and visiting family. I would have agreed if you said that. And a hobby MC means more cost for insurance, registration, up keep and gear vs just driving your car.
@@45eno the point was that i get more utility/dollar with the motor cycle, financially sound doesn't mean its cheaper just a better purchase
@@marcneljoseph9839 but PC makes more profit for a guy that is working in IT sphere, he can't do the job on his bike. Weird comparison. So you are not buying a refrigerator because it can't take you to your grandma?
mid year update? more like a MID year update
RX 6800 for 350 is excellent
@@syncmonism getting yesterday's product for this price idk man. We should be getting the latest gpus for that price. Sad, really.
ha
still using a RX 5700 XT playing older games. Perfectly happy waiting for a decent card that won't cost an arm and a leg.
5700 XT with FSR3 FG, Lossless Scaling and modding FSR 2.1/3.1 in all games, the card card has plenty of performance left over.
On Linux, it's even up to 30% faster in some games.
Bruh me an my RX 6600 lol XD
same here - I would like to upgrade to nvidia for streaming VR , but with those prices..
Just got one for $120. Should be a massive upgrade coming from a 5700G. Also upgrading the CPU to a 5700X for $160.
@@raresmacovei8382 all games - alan wake 2 ofc
I got a AMD 7900 XTX just because I didn't want to give NVIDIA any more money while they're price gouging an entire industry
Love to hear it! Screw Nvidia
c'est mon reve cette Cg mais je suis trop accroché aux DLSS .. mais j'adore neanmoin que amd est donné le FSR frame gen aux 3000 lol
7900XTX playing at 3460x1440p even cyberpunk full settings and RT mid >60fps avg. Without enabling FMF or FSR.
@@AMORPHISAE Try enabling Overdrive and tell us how it goes! For reference, a 4070 Ti Super can reach 60 FPS at 1440p with RT Overdrive (without FG).
You just got price gouged by AMD instead LOL
Who's excited for RTX 5060 with 8GB VRAM in 2025
Probably the same people who think spending 2500usd in a GPU will give you "better performance"😂
And would cost a minimum of 900 dollar and be barely better than the 4060 😂
I bought me some 2nd hand RX6800 MSI Gaming Trio for around $300 last year. Still going strong 💪
You can still get those even brand new for like $360, neither company has yet released more efficient 1440p GPU.
Wait I paid 380 for my 7800xt steel legend brand new around release. Has the price really gone up that badly? Lmao
Damn. 7800xts start at about US$480 in Australia now. Can't find new 6700xt or 6800. I'm basically stuck staring at TPU charts and watching these videos instead of buying a GPU :(
@@ad_fletch Which one interests you the most?
That is a great card. That was my previous GPU before I upgraded to a 7900 XT
Yeeeaahhh, I think I'll stay at the Geforce 9600GT, thank you.
I think it might be time to upgrade my Rendition V1000
Go straight to 9060, bypassing all the others :)
I always wait 2 generations for either mid or high end.
I'm the same, but these days I usually buy last gen mid/high end card second hand, around the time new gen comes to market. Just makes more sense to me from financial stand point and also you can find good deals. So, for example, I bought RTX 3080 around the time 40 series came out. Previously I had GTX1080Ti, which I also bought second hand when 2000 series was already selling.
Ye , went from 1050/rx580 to 3080 and wont upgrade till 50 series comes and amd counterpart hopefully amd has better RT performance next gen...
Thats a budget friendly way to do it. I waited too long upgrading my system from 1070 to 4090 and man, Am I pleased
If you want to get the most value out of your CPU or GPU you should buy them when they launch. There are of course exceptions when prices are exorbitant like in 2021. You really don't save as much money as you think you do, if any at all.
I'm trying to build myself a PC. And My job has a 4070 ($529) and I could get it 25% off after Black Friday. So the question is should I wait or buy it
" The best of bad situation " Couldn't have come up with a better title
Here in the UK its so broken.
4060ti or 7900GRE? gee that's hard lol
7900xt or pay +£100 (15%) for a budget 4070ti super
7900xtx or decent 4070ti super
You pretty much only buy Nvidia if you never compare prices and just don't care, I'm surrounded by Nvidia cards but it seems they don't want my money anymore so going forward all the builds I do will be AMD.
Much of the world is seeing the same thing, Nvidia is struggling to price cards competitively and I'm wondering if they need refreshes so they can cut prices on non-Super cards to appear competitive. Not that anyone in the know is going to take a 4070 over a 7900XT, but for people looking for a sticker on a prebuilt, it's the best they're going to get.
Same in my area. AMD is always 15-25% cheaper. Nvidia is never an option.
Nvidia has no motivation to lower prices, they own over 80% marketshare and they go into AI anyways so why bother?
@@nipa5961 That's why you wait for sale on nvidia cards ;) I got 4080 for 900$ almost 1.5 year ago (which was actually below 7900XTX price at the time xD)
Nvidia is such a poor choice in the low to mid-range when the 7800XT can be found quite often for below £500 while 4070 (supers) are often £100 more with (close-to) MSRP models being worse quality versus comparable Radeon AIB models in that bracket
Got a 7800XT build, for £600! Came with 7600, A620, 2TB, 16GB.
Bargain! Where'd you get that!
@@Monstermunch56 FB market, I switched out some of the parts to my main machine, I got a few pics on my community section.
Most likely cheaped out on other components, cheap SSD, cheap PSU, cheap MOBO and so on
@@Bogdan00 Nah, RM850, Sn850 2TB, Corsair 32GB, SAMA AR01, Etc check my community posts.
Where?
even though the current gen GPU market isn't so good right now i think last gen AMD GPUs are amazing, we have 6650XT at $220, 6750XT at $300, 6800 non XT at $360, 6800XT at $430 .. all of which are really good value in my opinion
6650XT is trash, even 1080p cards need 12GB VRAM today. 6750XT is great if you're in the US and RX 6800 is the budget 1440p king.
@@anitaremenarova6662lmfao what? 6650xt is a budget card my guy. Most games at 1080p is fine on 8gb vram if you dial down a few vram hungry settings
Swallowing last generation products when new ones are around the corner is totally not an option. I would rather wait.
I tend to agree that most of the RX 6000 lineup is attractive for its price.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Lol 6750 cost 50% more.
Still rocking a 1080ti and probably will continue to do so until I finish grad school
when do u finish?
1070Ti. . . .still going strong XD
My seven-year-old 1070 is still kicking. I'm currently debating on whether it's the right time to sell everything and build a new PC from scratch with 7600 and 7700 XT. Wish someone could guide me in this regard!
@@cockylocky wait for rDNA 4
@@cockylocky Next gen AMD should be a massive leap from the 7000 series.
I've been using ATi/AMD for over 20 years now :) always the better value option.
But but… the more you buy, the more you save !
RX 6600 ftw baaaabbbbyy
#criesinbudgetPC
lol
@@mukkah i was thinking the ATi Radeon 8500 64Mb card from 2001
Well not always as there was also the R9 fury and R9 390x which ran very hot , also paired with the bad drivers of the late 2010's I think which made AMD gpu's a bad buy for people which then went to buy Nvidia.
@@chills5100 i said value.. "cheap is not always good" but still better value.
RX7900xt owner here.
I bought it over a year ago with nice discount for ~250€ less than 4070ti, a direct competitor, was priced back then.
The issue was that 12gb of vram was deal breaker for such massive spending on GPU, while it was way worse behaving on my 32:9 Superultrawide monitor for all non-RT games, even with DLSS.
And here we are, year later, and i'm still super happy about that purchase at the time. 20gb of Vram is great for both RT and FSR. FSR3.1 rocks.
Right now i probably would go with 4080super, as it's much more reasonable card than 4070/4070ti or even regular 4080 were back then.
It sucks that Nvidia needed a year to fix their initial bad products
Fixed is an overstatement
@@zenshakujo8070 Maybes. But non-super were under-VRAM-ed, even for RT use, while Super are fine. And better priced.
@@kacperjestfajny $1200 for 16Gb vram? That's a F joke.
I'm rocking 7900 xtx with 24Gb for $900. Having fun with all CUDA apps thanks to ZLUDA. 4080 super couldn't even run what AMD does.
same I wanted to get ray tracing performance but 12gb just sucks no way I'm spending that much money for last gen mid range vram. So I got the 7900xt I target 4k and fsr looks good. I got it for like $720 with a free game that I already own on Playstation but I'm happy with ny purchase. I can play even play ark at 4k 60fps with high settings.
@@kacperjestfajny :( 4070ti owner here. DLSS doesn't save me in that many games. The 12GB is hurting in DCS.
In Europe, there is still 6950XT to be had. Got 1 on Prime day for 379$, an absolute steal, though it's only a reference model.
Nice interim upgrade from 1080ti.
OMG, that's fantastic! O_O
post proof
The 7900 GRE vs 7800 XT comparison is very misleading. The GRE is 12% more expensive for a 9% uplift in performance, but that's at stock settings where it's very limited. An overclock of 15% to its memory only (which is what TechPowerUp achieived with their sample) results in a 14.9% increase to its performance in a synthetic benchmark. In your 4K 12 game average that results in a 73 FPS average, putting it over the 4070 Ti Super and right under the 7900 XT
HUB dont test overclocking. The performance gained from an overclock is not guaranteed and therefore a serious reviewer would never use it as a point of comparison. Of course, I would also get a GRE over a 7800 xt but if AMD wanted to make the card look better they should have just shipped it with higher memory.
Edit: speeds, memory speeds.
Overclock settings are very dependent on silicon lottery. You can get a lemon that can't overclock well. And overclocking memory for GPU is such time consuming. Increase in clocks doesn't guarantee increase in performance for GDDR6 because Error Correction kicks in and hurts performance.
Yes their conclusions are heavily tilted wrt RT otherwise 7900GRE is the best value if RT is not important. It overclocks by 12-15% to close the gap towards 7900XT and raw performance matching or (in some games) beating a 4070 Ti Super for just around 535 usd.
@@wfb.subtraktor311 yup. not fair to test all cards at stock then have one heavily OC. if you OC the 7900GRE then the nvidia user can just OC their and the 7900XT users can do the same.
My 5700xt is still working away on my games like a trooper, i'll see what things are like in a few years time.
Best bang for buck card …rx6800 by a mile
If you're in the US then 6750XT beats it at just $300. RX 6800 is available for a good price everywhere which gives it the upper hand in europe and other places however.
@@anitaremenarova6662I don't see under 16gb anymore
@@anitaremenarova6662 For an older system, the 6700 XT or 6750 XT might be the better choice, as an older system is more likely to bottleneck a 6800, and you do need a more powerful power supply, more space in your case, and better case ventilation, to accomodate an RX 6800. However, assuming that your system isn't too slow or just too small to accommodate an RX 6800, even the most basic models of RX 6800 are of better build quality than the cheaper models of RX 6700 XT or 6750 XT, and also considering that it has 33% more vram in addition to significantly more computer power, an additional 50 USD is likely well worth it, and I'd say that the 6800 is actually likely to be a better value, but I think that will also come down to exactly what models are available as well. Pricing and availability can fluctuate a fair bit, and can vary a lot by region.
For a new system, the extra 50 USD to get the RX 6800 would be well worth it if you can possibly afford it, imo. Just make sure you have a good enough power supply and a sufficiently large and well ventilated case (it's a good investment to have a good power supply and a well ventilated case anyway).
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br It's a budget card, if you can only afford to spend 300 on a GPU VRAM doesn't matter as long as it's at least 12GB.
got mine for 250$ while the latest gen are eyewatering 100$+ above MSRP here (i live in a shithole don't ask), couldn't ask for more personally esp considering i need the VRAMs, great and efficient card
The 7900 gre overclocked is pog
I recently bought rx 6800xt - used in great condition for 340$ I think it’s good price and I’m happy
And it doesn't look like it will get better for next gen, glad we have these doing reviews on gpus
7900 GRE is where it's at. 4070 ti super perfomance when overclocked at the price of 4070 super. (except for rt, it's not great at it)
7:39 Love the Viva la Dirt League Figurines
Oooh, thanks for pointing them out. I completely missed them! 😂
Can't decide between 4070 Super and 7900 GRE. The +4 gigs of VRAM in 7900 GRE feels really useful for longevity but it lacks DLSS which is arguably superior to FSR.
If you overclock the 7900 GRE it's faster than a stock 4070 ti in raster
just went from a 3070 to a 4080s. i used the FSR + framegen combo on the 3070 and can easily say DLSS + 4000s series framegen is superior, especially in looks. FSR is just so muddy. was really looking into the AMD cards but the software side of nvidia sold me but you cant go wrong with either of those cards :)
Find a used 3090 for $600
IMO the better efficiency and RT of the RTX 4070 Super make it slightly better overall, but the 7900 GRE is also usually a bit cheaper, so neither is clearly a better deal than the other.
The best choice probably comes down to what games you play, and whether they work better on AMD GPUs or Nvidia.
@@DonovanMcNabb5 I'm concerned about thermals with the 3090.
I still have an EVGA RTX 2070 Super KO. For a card that is 4 years old and been through over 5000 hours of use with some graphics heavy titles. The card is still going.
Recently upgraded gtx 1080 ti I bought used in 2018 for $500usd for 7900xt for $650 on amazon prime day. What a difference in 4K gaming
I got a 4070 about a month ago. I probably could have optimized my choice more, but I don't regret it. One thing that's important to me that doesn't get brought up often is power consumption balanced with performance. I also couldn't find an equivalent with a two fan set up, and I was able to get the 4070 on sale. These videos are fun, but I don't think they're that useful when you consider the massive variation in people's situations.
The most balanced price to performance to power consumption ratio is the one that I always buy. Most people only look at the price and VRAM which are just two parts of the equation
I built my brother a gaming PC got his bday and got an XFX 7900GRE for 509.99 at MicroCenter
Have had my 7900 GRE for over 3 months. It's a beautiful beast.
Yeah, my friend got AsRock 7900GRE Steel Legend because over here in Europe at the time it was over 100eur cheaper than 4070 Super. He's pretty damn happy.
Got a Sapphire pulse 7900 gre. Great card at msrp.
@@Micromation I have the exact same card, because I was tired of Nvidia's memory and price shenanigans - a beast of a card. My best GPU purchase in many years.
I bought a 7900 GRE for under $700 Canadian about 2/12 months ago, as an upgrade to my Radeon VII and I couldn't be
This is the worst advice ever. If you need a GPU, just buy it. Don't wait for the next generation. You can make that argument for almost everything. The next gen will be more expensive with not that much more performance. Generally speaking, plus most games can't even take advantage of the current gen we have now. You have to give it time for games to catch up in technology.
Loving my 7900xtx I bought 2 months ago, great upgrade from my 1080ti that worked flawlessly.
Welcome to the gang!
My 6700XT is still working well!!
One of the pound for pound kings of its generation.
Very timely, my Arc A770 just died. Good to know prices are still far too high :(
It hasn’t even been 2 years since the card came out what happened
Get an RMA, you still have a warranty afaik
Artifacting and flickering culminating in Windows killing the graphics drivers and rebooting. I'm currently going through the very slow Intel RMA process. As its an LE model that they stopped making a year ago I'm expecting a refund rather than a fix/replacement but we will see. Its a pity as it has been a great card for me and the only game I had drivers issues in (Halo Reach) they fixed a few months back.
Bruh
Darn I was thinking of getting the a380 as a 4k av1 encoder.
Just built a budget gaming pc and put in a Radeon 67650xt. Couldn't be happier with it. It handles 1440p ultra wide gaming without any issues, often pushing framerates up to the max my monitor can show of 144Hz on some older titles that I still like to play, and still comfortably in the 60-80fps range for more modern stuff. Was originally planning a 6700xt, but found a 6750xt on sale for the same price. I had compared them to some team green options, but decided to stick with team red for similar performance, but a few dollars less.
Bro's from 50 years in the future with his 67650xt here...
It's always the best of a bad situation and it will only get worse going forward.
worse as in more money for same tier, but better as in more performance for some money
I always trust random internet comments.
Nah, next gen will probably be quite good.
I think Nvidia can't pull the 8gb poop on 70 series anymore, probably not even on 60 series anymore. They may want to slightly increase memory bus and PCIe lanes as to screw over people who bought the 4060, which is a classic in their playbook.
DLSS looks fantastic too, it's the greatest addition to gaming since, idk, 3D accelerated graphics.
The only issue right now is that AMD seems unable to un-fck FSR, it's like 5 years behind Nvidia and it's not getting better.
i like your optimism.
@@Galf506 Is AMD GPUs only problem with ray tracing from the software side or is it also an architecture issue?
I got a refurbished MSI RX 6750 XT for $240, came in an unmarked box with just the card and some sus packing foam, but it works!
I don't play any games with impressive Ray Tracing, so I nabbed the 7900 XT when it first hit $700. The only Nvidia card I wanted was the 4080S. It was the cheapest of the 4080 models, and it was $1220 at the time that bought I my card. Nvidia prices are fucking nuts if you're just gaming, and don't have specific use cases. I'd argue any GPU price is crazy now, but that's just the market at the moment, sadly.
Got a used 1080 some months back for $100, at 1080p there's really so little incentive for me to upgrade at this point
This is probably the first video i've seen that has a negative view of the 7900 GRE compared to other cards in the similar budget range.
If i remember correctly a significant advantage of both 7800 XT and GRE compared to Nvidia is that they have 16 GM of vram instead of 12.
Also correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't the GRE have one of the best fps value ?
Sounds like Nvidia bias, 7900 GRE can be overclocked so well it can become a budget 4K card.
@@anitaremenarova6662 To be fair, the reason i posted this comment is that I have a bias considering that i just bought a 7900 GRE.
Having said that while i did find some videos mentioning how the GPU is in a weird place (between 7800 and 7900) this is the first videos that says it's overpriced compared to the 7800.
@@francesco8000 I meant that Hardware Unboxed has a bias. 7900 GRE is an excellent card, check out benchmarks by Ancient Gameplays to see how well it performs in 4K.
Same .
I think they kinda overvalue Rt , its only good in 2 games rn , alen wake 2 and cb 2077.
Also 16gb is very good even based on there own Gb usage testing .
The GRE is kinda meh tbh. It's a 7800XT for more money that's slightly better than a 7800XT if it overclocks well (not sure you'd want to gamble on it with real money though).
Just got a sapphire 7800 XT paired with a 7 7800x3d and the combo is a beast , I’m team red all the way will upgrade to the 7900 XTx if need be but probably won’t have to for quite awhile
amd 7900xtx been good to me
I just love how the 6700XT still throws its weight around.
I’m still concerned about the memory bus for $400US is 128-bit. I would expect at least 192-bit for this price point.
Based on the current generation performance, I’m keeping my old as heck R9 390
Bus width means nothing. Memory bandwidth is what really matters.
~300 GB/s is good enough for 1080p, ~500 GB/s is fine for 1440p. 800+ GB/s is OK for 4K.
@@stangamer1151part of the buss with is the vram cap with it .
Currently its standered to use 2gb chips , aka 2gb per 32bit buss .
192bit is minimun 12gb , and 128bit with 4gb chips at gddr 6x speeds is not the best .
Gddr7 is faster , but early gen gddr 7 is not that much faster then gddr6x , more power efficent tho .
The low memory bandwidth of the 4060 ti can potentially be an issue, but it's actually very rare, and the memory bandwidth isn't as big of an issue as the lack of compute power, or the very small 8GB vram capacity of the cheaper model. 16GB is probably a bit excessive for that level of compute power, but having more than 8GB is definitely very useful, and there will probably eventually be some games where having more than 12GB could actually be useful with the 4060 ti.
The 16GB model is a very slow card for the price, but, if you have very high electricity prices and/or if you also often play games in a hot, poorly ventilated room, and if you tend to play long hours, then the 16GB 4060 ti could end up saving you a lot of money in the long term and actually make back all of the money you could have saved by getting something like an RX 6800 or RX 6750 XT (and you should undervolt it whenever you're not playing demanding games to get the power usage down even lower).
The 16GB 4060 ti can also be a good low-end workstation card for some specific types of workloads.
It would have made a lot of sense if they had just made one 12GB desktop model of the 4060 ti, but that would have required making a completely different GPU die than the laptop version, which would have cost more money, and it probably would have also needed a 192-bit bus, which would have also cost more money. With the laptop version of the 4060 ti, it is more practical and less of a problem to have only 8GB of memory, given that the GPU runs a lot slower on the laptop variant and thus has less compute power, and likely runs games on a much smaller screen, so turning down the texture quality or the rendering resolution is less likely to actually hurt the subjective image quality as much, though even on the laptop variant, more vram still would have been useful and nice to have.
You'd do fine upgrading to an RX 6600 even, or one a bit pricier with a bit more VRAM.
@@syncmonism no man. Texture is typically the most VRAM intensive setting, while being relatively cheap graphics processing wise. I had an rx580 with 8 GB of VRAM and I cranked that texture setting in most games and it really makes a bit visual difference. Just had to turn off volumetric fog and tune down shadows and lighting a bit and I was good back then
It's absolute forced obsolescence of Nvidia to cut down VRAM to the extend that they have since the 10-series
I surmise we are talking about US pricing…….because the Asus TUF 4090 OC is $2600.00 in Canada.
I want at least 12 GB in next gen 5060, else what are we doing in last 6 years, we actually went back from 12 GB to 8GB in last gen instead of increasing VRAM in 70 class they reduced memory in 60 class, pathetic!
Welcome to team green
I bought a 7900xt last week i felt like 670 dollars was a good deal considering it was tax free weekend in my area.
If you don't care about ray tracing or fake frames the 7900 GRE makes sense over the 4070 Super because it has more VRAM. Oddly, they left that out.
The 7800 XT is probably a better deal as it's just so close to the 7900 GRE in performance at a significantly lower price. The RX 6800 at 350 is definitely a better deal as well.
@@syncmonism I believe the GRE VRAM and higher raster performance make the card a better option for mid-level VR. Unfortunately, most popular tech channels are allergic to testing VR.
Used 6800s seem to have replaced used 6700XT's as value champs right now. 16GB of VRAM for under $300 is wild if you're comfortable going used
One small addition on the 6600 XT - in my experience the 6650 XT can often still be more available and potentially even cheaper.
people seem to be forgetting it exists
The 6650xt is a brilliant card for the price. I used one for my budget build last year and it exceeded my expectations. Ive upgrade twice since but that doesnt take away from how good it is still
I wouldn't buy an 8GB card anymore, get a 3060 12GB
@@chrissyboy7047 Only twice in a year? Why not a new GPU for each month, while you're at it?
It's not bad, but I would definitely get a 6700 XT or 6750 XT over it, and if you can find an RX 6800 for around 350, and if you can possibly afford it, that's an even better deal, as long as your system is fast enough to not bottleneck it, with a sufficiently strong power supply, and enough space and ventilation to accommodate it.
@@carelesslazy there wasnt enough to choose from 😂
$159 for the A580 is actually a pretty decent get if you need to shave a bit more money off the total; it's close to A750/RX6600 performance, and I personally didn't have any compatibility issues, though they are out there if you're digging deep deep into the Steam backlog I'm sure.
Yeah Arc in general is so good now, it just works. I've never had any issues with my a770, from installing drivers to daily stuff to gaming and video editing.
I went from RTX 2060 6GB (HP OEM variant...noisy whine) to an RTX 4070 founders edition that someone offered to buy for $850(sold) for and then bought an A750 AsRock for $150 (on sale).
I have been impressed with the card other than ARC Software control sucks, as does the default Fan wanting to stay at 0rom until 60°C .
(Adjusted so Fans are on all the time at around 1,200-1,400 rpm and temps are around 54°C even when playing First Decedent (1080p)
Now awaiting Battlemage or 50-series card with at least 16GB of Vram as replacement.
(A750 just surprised me for value)
@@mariano3113 Yeah Arc control is definitely the worst part of having an Arc gpu lolll. It never finds the right drivers to update and it doesn't have that many useful features so I just avoid it all the time. Much easier to just get the drivers from Intel's website.
6950xt for 500$ is a very good option
11:22 I found it impossible to keep all the prices in my head.
I would have much preferred if you added GPUs and their prices to a list or table one by one. Maybe have the latest addition appear larger, then shrink it once the next one appears.
This isn't as much of a problem if you only have two items, but I'd think for 4+ items, maybe consider always having them on screen at the same time to allow quick comparisons (of prices in this instance).
My junk is always obsolete
Uh oy XD
Hey, second hand 3070 are dirt cheap nowadays - that's 4060Ti performance at a more appropriate pricetag :P
@@Micromation You call 250-300$ for a 4 y/o 8GB card dirt cheap?
A classic
@@alexkolesen3765 Is this Canadian peso price? I've got one for 210eur (TUF) like a month ago. And yes, what else can you get for that much that beats it? 6700XT are ~280. 6700non-XT doesn't exist on 2nd hand market as far as I can tell. The next closest thing is 6800XT for 350. Nvidia didn't exactly have exciting lineup last generation when it comes to VRAM. 3080 is too expensive for what it is and still comes with only 10GB.
3070 ti 8gb still going strong for me at 1440p with 5800x3d…..i will try to rock this for another 5yrs
Still satisfied with my RTX3080!
And much better using with LS FG or FSR FG if the game handles it well
I got the 7900xt (xfx merc 310) for $660 2 weeks ago. Happy with it.
Best budget options as of right now (US/EU prices):
1080p max - RTX 3060 12GB at $280/300
1440p max - RX 6800 16GB at $360/422
2160p max - 7900 GRE 16GB at $530/608
1080p max + RT - RTX 4070 12GB at up to $489 used
1440p max + RT - RTX 4070 ti super at $780/870
2160p max + RT - RTX 4090 or ideally wait for gen 50
Are you saying that $1600 nvidia card prone to melting isn't good enough for 4k?
Should I buy $900 AMD then, for better value and 4k gaming?
@@moravianlion3108 Yes, as a flagship it would be insufficient even without the connector issue. Wait for 50 series or if you really need a 4K card now 7900GRE/XT work just fine.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Now you're recommending $500 AMD card for 4k? lol
@@moravianlion3108 Yes, it's a budget 4K card that works extremely well when overclocked. Rn you can't get all the new RT to work alongside 4K at a playable framerate so might as well not even bother until they figure it out with 50 series flagship.
@@anitaremenarova6662 $1600 4090 is not capable of playable 4k framerate? That's kind of a joke on nvidia part then, isn't it?
9 months ago I won an auction for a Liquid Devil 6800 XT for $416. The performance per dollar is incredible. Have not had one problem, and with an UV/OC the rasterization performance is identical to the 4070 Super, a card with less VRAM and priced 35% higher (+$245) when I bought the 6800 XT. I almost always question my CPU/GPU choices after buying, but this 6800 XT has become a rare case when I regret nothing and would 100% repeat my decision.
I want nVidia and AMD to know I voted against both of them with my wallet. RDNA3 was also a poor value proposition compared with used RDNA2 GPUs. Not only did a secondhand factory water cooled 6800 XT cost me nearly $100 less than a new 7800 XT, it's also the faster card.
I found a 7800XT (Sapphire Pulse) for ~$610 so I bought it, seemed like a nice deal to me. (this is Sweden so prices aren't low, that card's about $720 normally)
Rember that in Us they dont add tax to the price .so its 480-500usd Pre tax .
@@snakeinabox7220 K, thx for HU.
Ya know, 40 years ago, a 10MB HDD used to be worth around $3000, which would be over 10,000 in modern USD prices. I guess we're in a similar tech era of crazy prices for some stuff, and a couple of years later there's a huge price decrease due to some new discovery. It also happened with RAM back then, when the Intel 80486 was king.
Keep in mind, a 5090 will be more than 1600, he left that part out
@@molly_mallard shit 1800 would be a great 👍 deal compared to what data centers are paying, obviously they are paying more for the VRAM but still your soo right
Over $2000, I'm pretty sure, lmao. Used will go $2700, as usual for nvidia fan bois
"Like new, never melted!!!"
The Asus TUF OC 4090 is $2600.00 in Canada. Rigoddamndiculous!
I don’t think it matters. People that want the best of the best will pay anything. Even when the 4090 was over $2000 it was still flying off the shelves. The 5090 can be $3000 and it will still sell out on release
@@molly_mallardbored? What are you? Filthy rich?
Friends, the a580 at 150 is absolutely worth.
The 6800 is the only card worth the money. 16gb vram, fast at 1440p with maybe upscaling here and there. 350$/400€ is a great deal for a new system.
Definitely, it's the best value 1440p card out there. Also here in europe it's going for 389€ rn.
I love my 7900XTX. Coming from console (PS5) and playing games at 4k/max settings with high fps is something to behold. I don’t use RT or Upscaling so I’m satisfied with my purchase.
second hand Sub $250 RX 6700 xt is king ;) Sub $200 Rx 6700 10gb
Ya boi is rocking an rx580 and is JUST BARELY starting to want an update. :)
The 7900 GRE can be over 20% faster than the 7800 XT in some scenarios. It's also more power efficient and overclocks better.
Yeah, it's just a better card in every single way including price to performance.
I have a 6800 and I will probably wait to see how the 50 series shakes out. May just spring for a 5090 because I've never had a halo GPU and it'd be neat to do it at least once.
Not a single regret buying the 7900XTX. Gaming at 4k 120fps on an OLED tv has been so enjoyable.
which games?
@@mitsuhh elden ring, mh world and rise, spider man 1 and miles morales, god of war pc, some diablo type games. can handle any game, got that new avatar game and was getting 100+ fps on max settings, didnt play much though.
@@meatbasedvegan4859 You aren't getting 100fps in Avatar.
It'd be intestering to see a poll of how many people actually use or care about ray tracing.
Personally I have a 4070 Super and haven't found a single case where the performance hit was anywhere near worth the visual improvement.
how can you possibly recommend the 4070 super with 12gb of vram, when your testing showed that 12gb is already sometimes not enough for 1080p ultra when using features like RT and frame gen, for which the customer is paying a premium?
To be COMPLETELY fair, when using a card with alot of vram games will allocate as much as they want. So a 12+ allocation on a 24gb card isn't exactly accurate. Besides, ue5 and console generation will not change for a long time and so far I've not seen a properly optimized game that breaks the 4070S, so it will probably be fine for some years
Me when I spread misinformation on the internet. 1080p never once crossed 12GB, it's 1440p where 12GB is slowly becoming obsolete.
@@anitaremenarova6662 did you even watch the video? 4 out of 12 games reached 12gb AT 1080p, this is a 600$ card for christ sake
@@laurenz4572 Reserved. Not required
6900Xt still going strong. Waiting for next gen 5090 before I upgrade again
Rx 7900gre or best option rx 6800 fsr is perfect so
Rx6800 best bang for buck by miles
New architecture > old architecture. Radeon isn't going to continue supporting old GPUs forever.
@@DoomGuy148. Any evidence to support that? RX 580 received new drivers just 2 weeks ago. Also the most performance for the least amount of money will always be better than overpriced new architecture.
@@anitaremenarova6662 You''ll get updates but AMD will not release new features. I remember reading somewhere that with RDNA 4 will come features that will only be available for 7000 series GPUs while those below excluded.
@@DoomGuy148.You can't use DLSS on 10 series that needs it the most, while you can use FSR with it. Now tell me about abandoning the old architecture.
I did a dumb thing and bought an RTX 3060Ti for gaming during the scalperdemic. That said, I don’t regret it now. The price was high but the amount of use I’ve had out of it as a CUDA machine with Torch/Tensorflow for coming on 4 years has definitely paid it off. The 40 series has given me nothing in my price bracket as a decent upgrade so when I retire my desktop from work duties, I expect to keep my 5800X/3060Ti rig for a good while to come. The only reason that would change would be if Nvidia performs a (doubtful) out-of-the-park price/performance uplift in the 5060 class this coming generation.
I was able to get a 7800xt for 360$ from Amazon warehouse
:O
RT and DLSS blow for fps games. Radeon it is. Love Nvidia, but 7900XTX open box for $750 was too good to pass up.
7800x3d / 7900xtx is going to last me another generation at least...
It's nice to see that my 6800XT is still punching up.... This card has been holding me done for 4K high adjusted settings for a long time now.. It turned out to be a great buy back then, once the price dropped to MSRP and then below..
where is RX 7900XTX its better than 4080 and cheaper?
the XTX is a nothing burger of the GPU world it uses more power than a 4090 and performs 5-10% in raster who cares it's a dogsh*t GPU just get a 4080 or 4090 if you are spend over 1k simple.
@@ISeeQuality-ox8ku 7900 xtx tops at 350w, while stock 4090 goes up to 450w. While being only around 15% faster (on a good day). But costs 200% of 7900 xtx.
The only dogsh*t here is your poor argumentation and lies.
If I'm to choose between $900 7900 xtx or $1100 4080s, I'd go with AMD any day. Simple.
The rx 6800xt is also pretty good at overclocking which may be relevant if you don´t mind messing with clock speeds and voltages while shopping in the 500$ price range.
Sadly i was forced to upgrade cause i was stupid and used gaming laptops as a teen and it finally died like, blue sparks magic smoke died. So i decided id grab something that last a long time and grabbed a 4080 super :L (was feb sadly) coulda went 4090 but it didnt seem worth to me. cant wait to see it be like half off in a few months. If nvidia didnt hate gamers and gave cards lots of vram/bandwidth i woulda got a 4070 super prob but 12 gigs is a nah
nvidia doesn't hate gamers, they love them! Because they're always willing to pay extra, lol
I got a 7900 xt for $500 on Amazon about a week ago. Crazy value imo
RX580 ftw 😂😂😂
Got a second hand 6700xt 2 months ago for around $ 266 for an upgrade from the GTX 1050ti and it was the best purchase I did this year.
Hardware unboxed in every video
Buy 16GB gpus, or you have stuttering
In this video, buy Rtx 4070 Super 😂🤡 better product
It's "don't buy 8gb cards for 400$"
🤡🤡
@@euphoria842 all i hear is buy 16gb and above GPUs
Happy to see my RX 6750XT getting a thumbs up.🐸
Joined Team Red this year and I don’t see myself going back. Adrenaline Software is amazing. Prices are way better. Raster performance is way better. And I get that proper amount of VRAM.
I joined the red team 18 months ago and never seen someone who regret about it men. 18 months running a RX 6800, not a single issue, crash, slowness, nothing!
Got a new intel a750 for 180 usd during a sale a year ago. I am pretty satisfied.
You will wait for The 5000 series and then you will wait until The scalping is over. So add 1 year after actual release.😅
Ppl will be selling there gpus , so 500-600 usd 4080s or 4070ti supers .
500usd 7900xt 600 usd 7900xtx .
Awesome work. Cheers!
I bought an RTX 4070 for myself. An RTX 4060 for my eldest son. And an RX 6600 for my youngest. Honestly the best value out of the lot was the RX 6600 (Gigabyte Eagle). It looks awesome, performs well, and costs a very reasonable AU$295/US$192. It's easily the smarter option if you are not looking above 1080p in my humble opinion.
Are there really people out there making GPU purchase making decisions based on Ray tracing? That's so wild to me..
It’s less wild as we head into the future where it will be a necessity for mid range cards to have good raytracing especially from amd.
@@puffyipssince when is optional graphical setting a necessity? It's like trying to convince someone that you can't game without MSAA.
@@moravianlion3108 Ray tracing isn't optional in some games
@@puffyips I don;t understand why it will be "necessary", though? It just isn't, it'll always be just optional, for single-player games...? It's positively undesirable for competitive multi-player games, like DLSS, for all the reasons that we know about. Anyway, you want it, buy it!
@@mitsuhh RT isn't optional in some games? Name one. I couldn't google any.
i recenetly did an upgrade from gtx 960 to a rtx 3060 12g and i'm very happy with this budget king. plays every light game at 1440p and ps1 emulation rendering easily at 4k.
when i buy something new i will make this thing a dedicated media player pc for living room.
i heavily recommend this gpu for people on tight budget who just want to game modern games