Great video, thanks for making it. My 2c here as an absolute watersports addict that love foiling in all forms and spend heavily. In most industries you can deliver a product that looks good, is marketed well and succeed. That’s why most companies are marketing companies, not engineering companies. You can’t get away with that here. There is so much engineering and refinement required to make something good. Foils are extremely complex. Reliability is challenging in this environment. Cutting weight and improving usability is paramount. It has to be a really good product that performs well to be fun. I think that is why the companies that succeed have extensive engineering teams mixed with avid Watersports people in leadership.
Great update I think a lot of us were wondering what happened to all of these new companies that were popping up it seemed every 4 months. I Personally think Jetsurf Titanium DFI with handlebars and Foil assist are the future for water sports. On a side note I did purchase a chinese Jet Surfboard 9 months ago and love it considering I own a real jetsurf plus Foil board that says a lot.
I have a Chinese Sava jet board and it ran away from me after I fell with an unplugged key, another issue for me is the fuel tank is loose and moves around. Now I have no trust in the board…
Thanks for the video! I have a GetFoil and I think that it is a refined product. Very sad about them closing. I just wish that they didn't shut everything down. Keep providing parts and service while you can. Also open up your suppliers list to help us keep these boards going for as long as possible.
Thank you for your insights. Very sad indeed. I got a Onean Twin Carver which is superb and so fun. I am really surprised by this somber news. I thought Onean were dong fine and improving as their batteries design got better, the twin system works well and dismantling part became easier. Advice, forum and cooperation between owners of boards of these defunct brands will be helpful because servicing is now impossible. Maybe on e-surfer ?
This is another reason why I prefer building my own board for the price unless I buy the best brand in my opinion of course being Jetsurf. They are dominating and surviving the market for a reason.
Another thing I didn’t like about Radinn was that battery runtime was an Over the Air upgrade you had to pay for, they did it to save money and effort so that less boards would get shipped in, terrible design idea, your carrying a ton of extra battery weight you dont even utilize it didn’t make sense to me. If I have 30 pounds of batteries I’m using all of it not 30% then have to pay more to use more of it
@@tedarcher9120 it was Imagine you pay 6 grand for the 15 minute runtime model right? The battery is the exact same as the 45 minute runtime model but you can only access the energy for the 15 minutes of runtime. To get the 45 minutes you had to pay the extra 3 grand and it was a software upgrade.
@@JetSurfingNation Good stuff Mike, great info, did not watch, but listened while I worked on other things, which audio was the most important thing and it was good. Seems Jetsurf may be the way to go in the future. Cheers
Even in the beginning of the industry, everything was way too f****** expensive. You mean to tell me you're gonna charge me $15000 for a jetboard? When I can go get a Yamaha 1800gp for the same price?! Stupid or crazy I still dont know.... Not a single jet board should have ever been sold for over 10 grand period..... Especially when you can build them for less than 4k. So disappointed in this industry man. I really wanted it to take off.
Great video, thanks for making it. My 2c here as an absolute watersports addict that love foiling in all forms and spend heavily.
In most industries you can deliver a product that looks good, is marketed well and succeed. That’s why most companies are marketing companies, not engineering companies. You can’t get away with that here.
There is so much engineering and refinement required to make something good. Foils are extremely complex. Reliability is challenging in this environment. Cutting weight and improving usability is paramount. It has to be a really good product that performs well to be fun.
I think that is why the companies that succeed have extensive engineering teams mixed with avid Watersports people in leadership.
Great point
Thanks for this recap, Mike Zed. The market needs to clean itself. Good lesson for anyone who wants to launch the next eFoil and Jetboard company.
Absolutely!
I’m surprised big companies like Seadoo or Yamaha didn’t come out with their own versions of these jet or flite boards.
The market is very small
Great update I think a lot of us were wondering what happened to all of these new companies that were popping up it seemed every 4 months.
I Personally think Jetsurf Titanium DFI with handlebars and Foil assist are the future for water sports.
On a side note I did purchase a chinese Jet Surfboard 9 months ago and love it considering I own a real jetsurf plus Foil board that says a lot.
Which board did you get?
@@JetSurfingNation Jet Surf Electric use to have the race titanium
I have a Chinese Sava jet board and it ran away from me after I fell with an unplugged key, another issue for me is the fuel tank is loose and moves around. Now I have no trust in the board…
Thanks for the video! I have a GetFoil and I think that it is a refined product. Very sad about them closing. I just wish that they didn't shut everything down. Keep providing parts and service while you can. Also open up your suppliers list to help us keep these boards going for as long as possible.
Great lessons for any startups and investors even outside water sports! Thank you Mike!
You're very welcome!
Thank you for your insights. Very sad indeed. I got a Onean Twin Carver which is superb and so fun. I am really surprised by this somber news. I thought Onean were dong fine and improving as their batteries design got better, the twin system works well and dismantling part became easier.
Advice, forum and cooperation between owners of boards of these defunct brands will be helpful because servicing is now impossible. Maybe on e-surfer ?
@@Eric_Malbos yes use the forum or foil zone (diy community)
This is another reason why I prefer building my own board for the price unless I buy the best brand in my opinion of course being Jetsurf. They are dominating and surviving the market for a reason.
Which company produces the best, most reliable e-foil
It would not be fair for me to push any specific brand, i stay independent. Fliteboard, lift, awake, waydoo, sifly, manta… many
Waydoo best for price overall
I would buy a board in the winter if I could get a better deal for it for sure
Hello, the NeptunX company is bankrupt. I remember you tested it too
Oh really I didn’t know that.
Another thing I didn’t like about Radinn was that battery runtime was an Over the Air upgrade you had to pay for, they did it to save money and effort so that less boards would get shipped in, terrible design idea, your carrying a ton of extra battery weight you dont even utilize it didn’t make sense to me. If I have 30 pounds of batteries I’m using all of it not 30% then have to pay more to use more of it
What the hell is that
@@tedarcher9120 it was Imagine you pay 6 grand for the 15 minute runtime model right? The battery is the exact same as the 45 minute runtime model but you can only access the energy for the 15 minutes of runtime. To get the 45 minutes you had to pay the extra 3 grand and it was a software upgrade.
Cheers Mike, that was very informative,
Thanks a bunch
Mark
Glad you enjoyed it
Like eveytime, best of the best Mike 👍
Cheers 🍻
One could asume that the generally high pricelevels lead to a small consumer market 🤔
I’m about done building my own electric jetboard since I cant afford jetsurf
Terrible quality of the video - sorry
No worries 😉
@@JetSurfingNation Good stuff Mike, great info, did not watch, but listened while I worked on other things, which audio was the most important thing and it was good. Seems Jetsurf may be the way to go in the future. Cheers
Even in the beginning of the industry, everything was way too f****** expensive.
You mean to tell me you're gonna charge me $15000 for a jetboard? When I can go get a Yamaha 1800gp for the same price?! Stupid or crazy I still dont know....
Not a single jet board should have ever been sold for over 10 grand period..... Especially when you can build them for less than 4k.
So disappointed in this industry man. I really wanted it to take off.