You feel like emperor palpatine juiced up on pure uncut Colombian dark side; playing at a table with 3 other emperor palpatines. You don’t feel bad playing degenerate combos because everyone is. It’s great, it’s the only way I play magic now that legacy is pretty much dead.
This shows how deep black is when you aren't even ranking Broodlord, Saw in Half, Reanimate effects, Doomsday, Rain of Filth, Grim Hireling, Sheoldred, Razaketh and Vilis.
Im new to the cedh scene and the explanation of the cards and lines you can use them in are really helpful in learning the format and how to pilot my first cedh deck. Thanks a ton!
This series has been such a huge help for me! I’m just getting into the format and this has been a great way to focus my collection on what I need to play! 👏🏽
Cam: There will be no edits going forward on this podcast. Also Cam: Let me remove this comfy looking cardigan on camera as to avoid continuity errors.
Necropotence gets cut way more often than it should be, IMO. Honestly, while it's definitely harder to cast (though dark ritual casts it by itself!), I like to think of the card like it's rhystic study a lot of the time - it's going to draw me a bunch of cards every turn cycle, and opponents can't even refuse to feed it. You definitely feel the life cost, and it makes you more of a threat, but "the card is so good people will be scared of you" is not the worst downside to have.
Format is too fast and interactive for Necro. If you go T1 Dark Rit into Necro, you are most likely going to lose, since every creature will attack you, and its unlikely you can jam a win with 7 in the grip vs 21 cards of your opponents.
@@B1gLupu If you turn 1 Necro in any Dimir+ deck and tutor Born Upon a Wind it's gonna be pretty hard to stop a Thoracle + Consultation backed up with 30 cards in hand
I wouldn't say Yawgmoth's Will is recursion, I'd say it's more spell storm. I mean, yes, you can value Yawg Will, but the big benefit is copying your hand. I.e. A hand with Dark Ritual and Demonic tutor, becomes a hand with two copies of each. I think the problem with it in Commander is that it doesn't work as well with value pieces and really just wants ritual-tutor chains.
Generally it's much worse than the competition that does similar things. Its worse than Breach and it's worse than Memnonic Betrayal. Honestly they were too generous with it. Its a 2, since most of the time you wont have the time to try to win again and 3 manas is a lot of manas.
Yawgmoth's will is better than Underworld breach cause your not pitching cards, you dont even need a big graveyard, Theres a reason Krrik wins turn 1 a lot
You guys make me laugh. "5's are for cards that go in every black deck." Proceed to put cards in that are excluded from some black decks 😂 love your content
I have a Tivit deck that ive been slowly accumulating cards for for about a year. I havent played a single game of cedh and yet this is by far my favorite content.
Absolutely love this channel. Have never played a Cedh game. But have played some casual. Worked at a card shop and happen to come along this channel. Always buying the suggested cards(at a discount of course). Didnt realize id turn out to have such a sweet set of cards. Cheers boys🍻
I love how this hour-long video went by so incredibly quickly! Good banter and energy and chemistry that makes all the difference. In terms of the list, think I’d rate Dauthi a little lower, like around 4.75? Though the graveyard-hate and utility are great, I find myself cutting it more often than not in my 3+ color decks, even those with Tymna. Double black and needing to wait a turn to activate pushes it below 5 (and Top 10) imo. Necropotence probably deserves a higher rating and people should start experimenting with it more.
My ONLY issue with tainted pact and demonic consultation is that without thoracle existing, those two are ALMOST only cards for food chain decks. Now. We live in a thoracle world so the argument is not there but without thoracle those 2 cards suddenly I feel are more like 4.1 territory.
I actually had this exact situation not long ago! Though I played deflecting swat to target me with the opponents peer :) well... It resolved and opponent played an orcish Bowmasters 😅
One thing I love about Tainted Pact is that you can stop. A play that happened while I was piloting Atraxa was to leave 3 cards on top of my library for the Thassa with 5 devotion but still have 3 cards to draw to my Esper Sentinel
force of despair, imps mischief, withering boon are REALLY underplayed cards that i loveeee and play it very frequently and i just dont understand why people dont use it. i always catch people off guard with it.
I think a LOT of people are sleeping on Beseech. The card is quite strong. In any sort of layered combo deck it picks up your missing piece to go off then and there. If you make treasures or clues you ought to give it a shot.
It's a little distracting that they are in the same room but one person has a bright rope light and the other doesn't. It's a very nit picky thing though. Love your content guys!!
After that banger of doing the 2-color pair rankings and this series, can't wait to see the 3-Color Rankings in cEDH. Admittedly, I'm also probably going to be sadge when y'all rank Naya as the worst lol
I don’t play cedh but one of my favorite things to do with opp agent in my lands deck is to field of ruin or demo field someone and then take all of their lands.
Holy shit, I just laughed so hard at Dylan saying he blacks out for the whole podcast episode and at the end he's like "Is that good?"😂😂😂 Can totally relate.
Great podcast. I think you should have talked about Ad Naus first, bc it warps the ratings of every other card, like Deadly Rollick. Also, a note on Dark Ritual, the best black spells are always heavy on pips, which makes DR clutch.
Its very interesting to me what both are your guys thoughts are on the reserve list. Wow.. Did not expect that. Great vid as always. Just some confusion 🤔
I'm interested in what you guys think about Force of Despair? I haven't seen it around a lot, but it is free and can do quite a bit. I suppose the biggest problem with it in multicolor decks is that you have to exile a black card, which might be difficult to achieve.
I was looking for this video but couldn't find it because I was looking for titles starting with the word ranking. Maybe make a playlist? I'm pretty new and I'm looking for ideas for my dimir deck.
I also like Opp agent giving you the option to scheming symmetry 2 opponents for both pieces of thoracle-consultation, then again getting opp agent as you cast scheming symmetry yourself is such a big blowout that maybe the card existing makes symmetry unplayable.
I've been on the fence about you guys I've only watched two videos, until you said abolish the f****** reserve list, I am totally on board. I think a nice middle ground would be a rotating reserve list that changed every couple of years but, like maybe just 10 cards every 5 years. I'd rather just abolish the reserve list. Oh no the card you speculated on went down from a thousand to $800 because it's got a newer reprint. Now non-rich people can play dual lands
This rating system is wild. 5 to me is "If you're playing black this card is ALWAYS in your deck regardless of your commander / play style" I LOVE THE TICKER THOUGH!!!
Hard disagree on not using consult to tutor. In turbo decks I regularly use it to find mana crypt or a silence. Depending on the deck, I think going for it in the first few turns is going to lead to more wins than waiting for your opponents to set up. And the turn 1 consult will really put some hair on your chest.
I’m curious to know how you guys feel about current magic sets overall. I feel like wotc is restricting cards too much but printing more text. Cards say and do so much useless stuff. I can’t stand reading the dreaded “only once per turn” text
45:50 NO RESERVED LIST!! Please WOTC! As a player that has all the old power i can ever legally play with i want no reserve list because it let's new players enter the game.
Black is my favourite colour too. 9 out of my 12 decks have black in them 🤣. I’d argue my Titania Protector of Argoth is an honorary Golgari mono green deck hahaha
I was definitely in a position in a game where I had to cast Consultation to save my ass and ended up exiling down to 4 cards left in my deck. I lost that game. 😂 still a fun game though!
Black is not as strong as blue, but it's the best color to have as part of your identity. Having access to black tutors so strong. I'd rather play sans blue B/x/x than sans black U/x/x
but you Need...to play Yawgmoth's Will if you are playing Grixis and have no White, this is one of the Only way to replay Your Underworld Breach if it gets countered or if any of those pieces of the Brain Freeze combo gets countered or milled.
Is it weird that ive never played cedh yet this is one of my favourite youtube channels?
You should give it a shot!
You feel like emperor palpatine juiced up on pure uncut Colombian dark side; playing at a table with 3 other emperor palpatines. You don’t feel bad playing degenerate combos because everyone is. It’s great, it’s the only way I play magic now that legacy is pretty much dead.
This should tell you that you should play cedh.
I'm in the same boat.
I havent played cEDH properly in years, but I still end up watching all of these :)
Big fan of the rolling scoreboard on the bottom of the screen. Its a good reminder of what score the previous cards have gotten
This shows how deep black is when you aren't even ranking Broodlord, Saw in Half, Reanimate effects, Doomsday, Rain of Filth, Grim Hireling, Sheoldred, Razaketh and Vilis.
Perfect timing! just finished classes for the day now I can relax and listen to the guys talk about my favorite magic color
Me on the flip side podcasting this throughout my day of school because it came out at 08:00
@@eygohsSame! Best way to wake up
Dylan timewalking through podcasts
Yeah, when you think about it, Dylan is basically a Time Walk.
the formatting of the video with the cards on a conveyor belt is amazin, keep it up, also great vid :)
Im new to the cedh scene and the explanation of the cards and lines you can use them in are really helpful in learning the format and how to pilot my first cedh deck. Thanks a ton!
That Black Dahlia Murder shirt makes me like you guys even more. Nocturnal by them is still one of my favorite albums of all time. Great episode guys
This series has been such a huge help for me! I’m just getting into the format and this has been a great way to focus my collection on what I need to play! 👏🏽
Cam: There will be no edits going forward on this podcast.
Also Cam: Let me remove this comfy looking cardigan on camera as to avoid continuity errors.
Necropotence gets cut way more often than it should be, IMO. Honestly, while it's definitely harder to cast (though dark ritual casts it by itself!), I like to think of the card like it's rhystic study a lot of the time - it's going to draw me a bunch of cards every turn cycle, and opponents can't even refuse to feed it. You definitely feel the life cost, and it makes you more of a threat, but "the card is so good people will be scared of you" is not the worst downside to have.
Format is too fast and interactive for Necro. If you go T1 Dark Rit into Necro, you are most likely going to lose, since every creature will attack you, and its unlikely you can jam a win with 7 in the grip vs 21 cards of your opponents.
@@B1gLupu If you turn 1 Necro in any Dimir+ deck and tutor Born Upon a Wind it's gonna be pretty hard to stop a Thoracle + Consultation backed up with 30 cards in hand
@@zweis yeah, perhaps I judged too hastily. Born Upon a Wind makes it a lot better. 4.5 is still a bit high for it.
I do not see it win that often.
I wouldn't say Yawgmoth's Will is recursion, I'd say it's more spell storm.
I mean, yes, you can value Yawg Will, but the big benefit is copying your hand.
I.e. A hand with Dark Ritual and Demonic tutor, becomes a hand with two copies of each.
I think the problem with it in Commander is that it doesn't work as well with value pieces and really just wants ritual-tutor chains.
Generally it's much worse than the competition that does similar things. Its worse than Breach and it's worse than Memnonic Betrayal.
Honestly they were too generous with it. Its a 2, since most of the time you wont have the time to try to win again and 3 manas is a lot of manas.
Yawgmoth's will is better than Underworld breach cause your not pitching cards, you dont even need a big graveyard, Theres a reason Krrik wins turn 1 a lot
The black dahlia shirt is hot. And cams cardigan is G af. Y’all boys cool 😎
Look, I get you have a standardized metric now, but when Tyler comes back on that all needs to go out the window with the baby and the bath water.
You guys make me laugh. "5's are for cards that go in every black deck." Proceed to put cards in that are excluded from some black decks 😂 love your content
I have a Tivit deck that ive been slowly accumulating cards for for about a year. I havent played a single game of cedh and yet this is by far my favorite content.
Finish building it! Tivit is powerful and cool
I like using beseech the mirror to immediately go into my doomsday pile. It's a consistent win con in my prosper deck
Absolutely love this channel. Have never played a Cedh game. But have played some casual. Worked at a card shop and happen to come along this channel. Always buying the suggested cards(at a discount of course). Didnt realize id turn out to have such a sweet set of cards. Cheers boys🍻
I love how this hour-long video went by so incredibly quickly! Good banter and energy and chemistry that makes all the difference.
In terms of the list, think I’d rate Dauthi a little lower, like around 4.75? Though the graveyard-hate and utility are great, I find myself cutting it more often than not in my 3+ color decks, even those with Tymna. Double black and needing to wait a turn to activate pushes it below 5 (and Top 10) imo. Necropotence probably deserves a higher rating and people should start experimenting with it more.
My ONLY issue with tainted pact and demonic consultation is that without thoracle existing, those two are ALMOST only cards for food chain decks. Now. We live in a thoracle world so the argument is not there but without thoracle those 2 cards suddenly I feel are more like 4.1 territory.
I'm making a Jund deck so I'm using all your information and I'm very excited for your green and red lists
Praetors grasp opponent for a fierce guardian ship is always amazing especially if you dont have blue or protection in hand. black is so cheeky
These guys get me through my work week and gets me hyped for my playgroups sessions and well all talk about the episodes lol
1:04:58 best part of the commentary right here! funny scenarios of how things blow up in ur face in cedh is great !
enjoyed the vid
I actually had this exact situation not long ago! Though I played deflecting swat to target me with the opponents peer :) well... It resolved and opponent played an orcish Bowmasters 😅
About Peer into the Abyss:
Dylan: "You can't lose if you resolve it".
Bowmasters: hold my beer
One thing I love about Tainted Pact is that you can stop. A play that happened while I was piloting Atraxa was to leave 3 cards on top of my library for the Thassa with 5 devotion but still have 3 cards to draw to my Esper Sentinel
Can't wait for you guys to do a set review for Outlaws!
Excited to see what yall think about Aven Interrupter if a Stax Meta ever comes back around.
force of despair, imps mischief, withering boon are REALLY underplayed cards that i loveeee and play it very frequently and i just dont understand why people dont use it. i always catch people off guard with it.
I'll have you know that, that monster with the creepy joker smile is infact my beloved mutate commander, Otrimi
Love otrimi what a spooky Boi. Especially on a darksteel myr or insidious mists.
Babe wake up! New Play to Win vid just dropped!
I think a LOT of people are sleeping on Beseech. The card is quite strong. In any sort of layered combo deck it picks up your missing piece to go off then and there. If you make treasures or clues you ought to give it a shot.
I just realized the full collection of berserk deluxe editions in the back. Great taste Dylan!
Mirror also can sacrifice the one ring in a dire situation where you might die to it.
It's a little distracting that they are in the same room but one person has a bright rope light and the other doesn't. It's a very nit picky thing though. Love your content guys!!
After that banger of doing the 2-color pair rankings and this series, can't wait to see the 3-Color Rankings in cEDH. Admittedly, I'm also probably going to be sadge when y'all rank Naya as the worst lol
Thanks guys, love rhis
over an hour of my favorite color, and even still couldn't fit everything into the list. Shows how great the color is!
Phrexian metamorphing your wishclaw to have a double tutor to hand in the same turn (on top of all the other reasons PM is so good rn) *cheff's kiss
7 mana 2 life and 2 cards to double tutor at sorcery speed, oh yeah so strong
I don’t play cedh but one of my favorite things to do with opp agent in my lands deck is to field of ruin or demo field someone and then take all of their lands.
4:48 Cam is the next Mr. Rodgers confirmed?
Cam with the wisdom concerning Dauthi, "They are just words I would rather read."
Holy shit, I just laughed so hard at Dylan saying he blacks out for the whole podcast episode and at the end he's like "Is that good?"😂😂😂
Can totally relate.
Great podcast. I think you should have talked about Ad Naus first, bc it warps the ratings of every other card, like Deadly Rollick. Also, a note on Dark Ritual, the best black spells are always heavy on pips, which makes DR clutch.
Its very interesting to me what both are your guys thoughts are on the reserve list. Wow.. Did not expect that. Great vid as always. Just some confusion 🤔
I'm interested in what you guys think about Force of Despair? I haven't seen it around a lot, but it is free and can do quite a bit. I suppose the biggest problem with it in multicolor decks is that you have to exile a black card, which might be difficult to achieve.
I was looking for this video but couldn't find it because I was looking for titles starting with the word ranking. Maybe make a playlist?
I'm pretty new and I'm looking for ideas for my dimir deck.
Black has so many 5's I love it. Also surprised no mention of Reanimate
I also like Opp agent giving you the option to scheming symmetry 2 opponents for both pieces of thoracle-consultation, then again getting opp agent as you cast scheming symmetry yourself is such a big blowout that maybe the card existing makes symmetry unplayable.
Oh that is juicy
i really want to know if Cam taking off his Cardigan was shot after and spliced in once they noticed a continuity error in editing.
Haven’t watched yet, but like it has to be Ad-Nauseam right?
Really like the scrolling at the bottom of the screen.
Absolutely wild that we're in a world where there aren't any reanimation spells on this list about black cards
I give this video both a 10/10 and a 5/5, super solid!
I feel like white vs red is an interesting topic, underworld breach is so strong but i feel like esper is on the heels of grixis.
Cam saying he blacks out during the podcast reminds me of Will Ferrell in the debate scene in Old School 😹
I've been on the fence about you guys I've only watched two videos, until you said abolish the f****** reserve list, I am totally on board. I think a nice middle ground would be a rotating reserve list that changed every couple of years but, like maybe just 10 cards every 5 years. I'd rather just abolish the reserve list. Oh no the card you speculated on went down from a thousand to $800 because it's got a newer reprint. Now non-rich people can play dual lands
As person who mostly Sultai in constructed, black is my fave.
This rating system is wild. 5 to me is "If you're playing black this card is ALWAYS in your deck regardless of your commander / play style"
I LOVE THE TICKER THOUGH!!!
Hard disagree on not using consult to tutor. In turbo decks I regularly use it to find mana crypt or a silence. Depending on the deck, I think going for it in the first few turns is going to lead to more wins than waiting for your opponents to set up. And the turn 1 consult will really put some hair on your chest.
Just finished to watch best W and U, this feels so good xD
Minor rules clarification. The player who draws is the player who loses the life with Peer into the Abyss.
yes! I misspoke there
Okay but why does Cam look like “The Dude” from Big Lebowski?
that bowmasters take backfired huh
Dylan acting like Will Ferrell at the end of Old School. Blacked out while spitting facts.
I’m curious to know how you guys feel about current magic sets overall. I feel like wotc is restricting cards too much but printing more text. Cards say and do so much useless stuff. I can’t stand reading the dreaded “only once per turn” text
As a krrik player, i just wanna give Peer so much more love 🤣
So good! Love you dudes!
45:50 NO RESERVED LIST!! Please WOTC! As a player that has all the old power i can ever legally play with i want no reserve list because it let's new players enter the game.
How come thoracle be better than rhystic but orcish bowmaster be better than tainted pact?
What’s the best site to get the duals lands and other old cards printed? They look terrible from my printer
Lots of good proxy makers on Etsy.
Love your sweater cam
Love Dylan‘s Shirt:)
That Play To Win flag makes it look like Cam has horns, on theme for the best black cards🤘
trying to play WB in CEDH I am kinda struggling to find cards that can keep my gameplan going with those pesky U decks on the table :(
I wonder how good you guys think Reanimate is just generically
I find myself putting it in every deck I have w black in it.
Black is my favourite colour too. 9 out of my 12 decks have black in them 🤣. I’d argue my Titania Protector of Argoth is an honorary Golgari mono green deck hahaha
I also looooove the Judith art for DR
By the end of this series I have to just make a 5 colour deck purely out of the 5s of each colour
Dylan blacks out for the podcasts and his inner Yami takes over. (From Yu-Gi-Oh)
Happy to hear y'all's stance on the reserve list. It needs to go already.
Ad Naus comes online quicker, but I don't think it has a good window because it's suuuuuper telegraphed to pass with 5 mana.
when are the skull sleeves coming back :')
Next week
I was definitely in a position in a game where I had to cast Consultation to save my ass and ended up exiling down to 4 cards left in my deck. I lost that game. 😂 still a fun game though!
ive watched all your videos before I even built my first cedh deck 😂
You also forgot that PITA is seeing less play because of Orcish Bowmasters
As a rog si player .. I don’t play dauthi or oppo. But I do play bowmasters. I love the cards. But they react. And I want to be proactive.
Dylan prob watching this, "wow I don't remember any of this."
If you gilded draked someone's commander does this turn on rollick? (Saying your own commander isn't in play)
Card says "if you control a commander" doesn't have to be yours just need to be controlling it when cast.
@@feasttree kinda what I thought just making sure lol
Black is not as strong as blue, but it's the best color to have as part of your identity. Having access to black tutors so strong. I'd rather play sans blue B/x/x than sans black U/x/x
I was waiting for this podcast. In K'rikk all these cards are a 5
Im pretty sure that the person who draws the cards on peer also loses the life, not the caster 1:05:10
HOLY SHIT BERSERK SPOTTED IN THE BACK
I’m surprised reanimate doesn’t make the list.
Finally, we get to the good cards 🥳
❤❤❤Please, guys!!!!!!❤❤❤
Best Color combinations, 2color vs 3c vs 4c selection issues in the 99(98) pairs.
Beseech the mirror for a doomsday is so fun. 😂
but you Need...to play Yawgmoth's Will if you are playing Grixis and have no White, this is one of the Only way to replay Your Underworld Breach if it gets countered or if any of those pieces of the Brain Freeze combo gets countered or milled.
No reanimate?
Only 6/16 top 4 black decks in the last 5 tournaments ran Dauthi... so it's definitely not as ubiquitous as the vid would suggest. Why? No idea tbh.
Guess we still don't get to find out if Dylan thinks Sheoldred is good enough in cEDH.
46:06 perfect sound clip to play before a big chunky breakdown 🤘