Grading 1909 To 1958 Pennies - I Understand The Struggle. It's not easy grading pennies or cents, they're small and most are darker in patina, referred to as "brown". Copper is a highly reactive metal as well as the alloy bronze, which is mostly copper, so pennies can quickly corrode, have environmental damage, artificial toning and be cleaned and retoned or just plain ugly. Then you have to worry about counterfeit key dates and common dates, I have two videos on this YOU need to watch. Link as follows: Grading MS67 and MS68 Cents ua-cam.com/video/FzzOhEILITM/v-deo.html Common Date Counterfeit Cents ua-cam.com/video/qPBgQIUVA8s/v-deo.html Buy Coins From Us: portsmouthcoinshop.com/ Help Community Coin Value App: coinauctionshelp.com/coincollectingapps/ Mint Error App: errorcoins.coinauctionshelp.com/wordpress/
Outstanding explanation & examples. Thanks Daniel !! Self grading coins takes lots of practice & patience for sure, but absolutely necessary prior to sending into a third party grading company.
Very detailed in-depth explanation! I don't typically collect most types of modern coins - but I do get them in sometimes. I am always shocked whenever I guess at a probable grade, and a grading company somehow actually agrees with me. The Red Book is a good general guide for a rough estimate only. Online guides are all over the map for more subtle differences.
Very important video for someone like myself that is trying to get as much knowledge as possible about the various parameters that affect coin valuation. I started saving every coin I found in my pocket change dated 1970 and earlier about 12 years ago. As a result I have amassed quite a tidy sum of all different dates and denominations. I have found some that are in remarkable condition and can not believe they were in circulation for their entire existence. I am most concerned about the cleaning aspect as I have been careful not to use any chemicals polishes or pads etc. I have on some of them used a soft cloth and a little warm water and a tiny bit of dish soap to remove surface oils and dirt then a gentle rinse with a cloth and water then pad dry. A few of these the original patina came out with a beautiful finish and tones but I’m concerned that I may have crossed the line with what is acceptable. Any advice would be greatly appreciated 🙏 Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge and insight. 👍
As a hobby numismatist I only grade my coins to the letter. I do not grade to the number. BUT, I also do not have any higher value coins (my best is a 1945 micro S dime in AU). That is what the grading companies job is, to grade it to the number. Great information Daneil. Thanks.
Hello Daniel, Can’t tell you how much I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us utubers, Thank you. Something I wanted to share. Say I have a Capital board in front of me with coins from 1909-1934. I find it’s so much easier if I pop out all the coins and arrange them on a tray from G4- AU58. I go from more worn to less worn. Then I look at your how to grade Lincoln cents and assign them a grade from G4-AU58. These are the ones that I don’t have enough confidence with. To me Mint State coins are easy. Thank you so much for being my teacher ! 😊
Another great video, Daniel. Very interesting and informative about how coins received their grades and how each grade has a subtle difference between grades. Thanks for showing us the difference.
Absolutely beautiful video Daniel! I truly appreciate the effort you made to produce different grades and conditions to ascertain what grade your wheat cent is. I bought a 1909S VDB in VF 20 in a green holder. I had an ANA book on grading and one of the characteristics of a VF 20 is the evidence of cheek separation on the cheekbone. I mean it didn't look like there was full separation, there was barely enough to make the technical grade. I learned a lot from that book and wanted to ask you sir how much weight you place on that book. ANA grading standards.
Very interesting & informative! Thanks! Most of the wheaties, were given to me are in vg-f and over the years I was able upgrade quite a few along with the flying eagle & Indian pennies...
Omg im gonna cry. I been looking for how to check, and sell my coins for dummies and quick and when i find maybe somthing full of basic info, the creator uses a fricken language with the agfs and omg idk WHY CANT YOU quickly say what the words and termonologies mean for beginners! obviously youre are making an educational video!!!
Thank you so much sir this was so informative. I wish most people were nice as u are but I'm afraid that ain't going to happen. You are a fine person sir if I can ever help you just let me know, when I learn how to send pics maybe u wil let me know if I have anything
Excellent lesson here! I find the drawings in Brown and Dunn along with those found in the old ANA books to be easier than the photo grades for me. Thank you for the content!
I have a 1909-s VDB with some slight corrosion around the edges. Should I clean it or leave the corrosion on? Either way, will it corrode even more if I leave it that way. I really need to know.
When grading the higher end coins, I reckon much of it comes down to overall eye appeal. It's so so subjective and it's why aesthetics of the specimen overall play a big part on those "slider" type coins. So many times I got Morgans returned at a AU58 and its just like getting kicked in the groin lol. Sorta.. I just won't send a coin in unless it's in MS condition, barring it being a coin of true significance like The 09 vdb S, 69 S DDO etc. Great video, grading coins is not easy esp in the MS tier. I know the grading companies just do not have the time, resources to triangulate in their grading process .. meaning that 3 people grade the coin, each not knowing others opinion. Take the three grades and a consensus could be determined rather a single perspective, would be one way for a better, more objective and fair result🤷🙏🕉️
No, it doesn't happen that way, human grading is just an opinion based on experience with other coins of similar grades. Just happens they will eventually grade a coin registry grade when they think it appears to be that grade and not because of who sent it.
No mention of the bow tie. At higher grades the bow tie and lapel can indicate the degree of die wear. A perfect three-dimensional bow tie is something to look for.
No grading guide mentions a bow tie. Where did you get that? A coins grade is determined by a pattern of wear and in MS by the amount of contact marks. Not how well it is struck. Even FS nickels can be low or high grade as can non FS nickels.
@@CoinHELPu just a personal preference....I always look at the bow tie....if it's there the way I describe, 3D, I will pay more...on any date strength and definition of the lapel lines, same way...I assume early die states do better in preserving these details on some higher-grade cents.
I find a lot of them metal detecting, not worth grading, a lot of times the rim is worn down, good video I found a large cent 1790,; totally flat, Liberty Cap. I weighed and measured but no clue on date
Even GOLD if you keeping it in different environment change the color!!!that why they sent to a specialist to clean 🧼 the GOLD !!!! With out damaging it !!!!!
Thank you Daniel. You have put together a very in depth study of grading Lincoln Cents and have provided so much information !!
Grading 1909 To 1958 Pennies - I Understand The Struggle. It's not easy grading pennies or cents, they're small and most are darker in patina, referred to as "brown". Copper is a highly reactive metal as well as the alloy bronze, which is mostly copper, so pennies can quickly corrode, have environmental damage, artificial toning and be cleaned and retoned or just plain ugly.
Then you have to worry about counterfeit key dates and common dates, I have two videos on this YOU need to watch.
Link as follows:
Grading MS67 and MS68 Cents ua-cam.com/video/FzzOhEILITM/v-deo.html
Common Date Counterfeit Cents ua-cam.com/video/qPBgQIUVA8s/v-deo.html
Buy Coins From Us: portsmouthcoinshop.com/
Help Community
Coin Value App: coinauctionshelp.com/coincollectingapps/
Mint Error App: errorcoins.coinauctionshelp.com/wordpress/
Outstanding explanation & examples. Thanks Daniel !! Self grading coins takes lots of practice & patience for sure, but absolutely necessary prior to sending into a third party grading company.
Hey Malone I have a black penny and it's silver underneath. Doesn't look like it was altered. Looks like punched on wrong planchet
@@Marvdavis1644weigh it
Very detailed in-depth explanation! I don't typically collect most types of modern coins - but I do get them in sometimes. I am always shocked whenever I guess at a probable grade, and a grading company somehow actually agrees with me. The Red Book is a good general guide for a rough estimate only. Online guides are all over the map for more subtle differences.
Learning from each video..especially cent grading
Very important video for someone like myself that is trying to get as much knowledge as possible about the various parameters that affect coin valuation. I started saving every coin I found in my pocket change dated 1970 and earlier about 12 years ago. As a result I have amassed quite a tidy sum of all different dates and denominations. I have found some that are in remarkable condition and can not believe they were in circulation for their entire existence. I am most concerned about the cleaning aspect as I have been careful not to use any chemicals polishes or pads etc. I have on some of them used a soft cloth and a little warm water and a tiny bit of dish soap to remove surface oils and dirt then a gentle rinse with a cloth and water then pad dry. A few of these the original patina came out with a beautiful finish and tones but I’m concerned that I may have crossed the line with what is acceptable. Any advice would be greatly appreciated 🙏 Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge and insight. 👍
As a hobby numismatist I only grade my coins to the letter. I do not grade to the number. BUT, I also do not have any higher value coins (my best is a 1945 micro S dime in AU). That is what the grading companies job is, to grade it to the number. Great information Daneil. Thanks.
Hello Daniel, Can’t tell you how much I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us utubers, Thank you. Something I wanted to share. Say I have a Capital board in front of me with coins from 1909-1934. I find it’s so much easier if I pop out all the coins and arrange them on a tray from G4- AU58. I go from more worn to less worn. Then I look at your how to grade Lincoln cents and assign them a grade from G4-AU58. These are the ones that I don’t have enough confidence with. To me Mint State coins are easy. Thank you so much for being my teacher ! 😊
There is a shop in Gatesville Texas, I buy coins there, so I bought a few 1909 ,still looking fare condition , I got the fever of collecting 👍
You have some of the most useful videos I have seen online. Very fun and informative
Thank you!
Another great video, Daniel. Very interesting and informative about how coins received their grades and how each grade has a subtle difference between grades. Thanks for showing us the difference.
Great instruction on grading.
Absolutely beautiful video Daniel! I truly appreciate the effort you made to produce different grades and conditions to ascertain what grade your wheat cent is. I bought a 1909S VDB in VF 20 in a green holder. I had an ANA book on grading and one of the characteristics of a VF 20 is the evidence of cheek separation on the cheekbone. I mean it didn't look like there was full separation, there was barely enough to make the technical grade. I learned a lot from that book and wanted to ask you sir how much weight you place on that book. ANA grading standards.
Great video it helps us polish up our grading skills
Another superb tutorial!
Thank you Danial , good visual aid . Still learning I appreciate your time and effort .
Great video. I can try grading my penny collection. Thank you
Really nice video Daniel. I have so much to learn and appreciate your content. 😊
I have a 1917 D that's dark green. Thanks for the valuable information Daniel. Much appreciated!
excellent ❤lesson with great pics
Outstanding explanation Dan
Great information and presented so we can understand. Putting the info to use now. Thank you.
Excellent video, very educational.
Very informative video. Thanks for sharing, Daniel ! 👍
Very interesting & informative! Thanks! Most of the wheaties, were given to me are in vg-f and over the years I was able upgrade quite a few along with the flying eagle & Indian pennies...
Thanks for sharing Daniel. I appreciate the time you take to put together these educational videos. Hope you have a great weekend. 😎👍
Great information. Thank you for your time.
So much to learn thank you Daniel.
This is fabulous as I would consider three of brown maybe a very good LoL I personally considered them a fair .
Good morning Podna !
Your content is so invaluable!!! Thank you!!😁
Excellent video Daniel
Omg im gonna cry. I been looking for how to check, and sell my coins for dummies and quick and when i find maybe somthing full of basic info, the creator uses a fricken language with the agfs and omg idk WHY CANT YOU quickly say what the words and termonologies mean for beginners! obviously youre are making an educational video!!!
Why can't you search my 1,700 videos or a buy a book on grading, it's much easier and less drama than complaining in the comments.
Excellent info, thanks Daniel.
Nice I have quite a few of the 1982 and 83 coins also a few half dozen coins 1972 , 71 and 77
Very helpful video.
Great visual help. Coin U
For myself photo grading normally gets you ballpark close in grading, minus any cleaning or improper handling. Just my 2 cents
Thanks for all the info , I do believe you help the coin collectors?
Great video, Daniel !
Awesome data, thanks Daniel
Thank you so much sir this was so informative. I wish most people were nice as u are but I'm afraid that ain't going to happen. You are a fine person sir if I can ever help you just let me know, when I learn how to send pics maybe u wil let me know if I have anything
I don’t offer a service where you send me pics. You use the coinhelpu community. Thanks
very informative thanks Daniel
Excellent lesson here! I find the drawings in Brown and Dunn along with those found in the old ANA books to be easier than the photo grades for me. Thank you for the content!
Right on brother
Thank you for sharing
ty very much for this.
Nice comparison. It would be really nice to have a video just showing the grades, one picture/grade per second.
I did that, the whole video is that.
Amazing. What did the guy watch? Did he fall asleep? @@CoinHELPu
Coin help u helped Us 😉✌
Thanks, great video.
I have a 1909-s VDB with some slight corrosion around the edges. Should I clean it or leave the corrosion on? Either way, will it corrode even more if I leave it that way. I really need to know.
Lighting is a HUGE factor in accurate grading.
thanks for the info👍👍
You the man Daniel💪
Very helpful
Excellent!!! Thank you!!!
I would like to see a similar grading video for Indian Head Cents
When you are referring to the cleaned coins were they polished or just had the dirt removed?
I wasn't referring to just debris being removed but those are not the only two ways a coin can be cleaned.
Good Man, thank you very much !!
Thanks Sir
Will removing dirt enhance the value or decrease the value?
👏GREAT INFORMATION 👏
Sir my coin 7705 how to find a value at how much price
Well done.
This was the best video you ever done what about 1958 silver Penny do a video only 3 know of I got the 4 one
Thanks
I have manny penny and other country coins can u help me
Hi sir how about 1958 penny i have one in good condition really I like know the value of it thank you sir🙏👍👌
How much is au 50 and au 58 worth
No one can price coins without knowing the date and mint mark and eye appeal and grading company.
Do u doing coin grade???
When grading the higher end coins, I reckon much of it comes down to overall eye appeal. It's so so subjective and it's why aesthetics of the specimen overall play a big part on those "slider" type coins. So many times I got Morgans returned at a AU58 and its just like getting kicked in the groin lol. Sorta.. I just won't send a coin in unless it's in MS condition, barring it being a coin of true significance like The 09 vdb S, 69 S DDO etc. Great video, grading coins is not easy esp in the MS tier. I know the grading companies just do not have the time, resources to triangulate in their grading process .. meaning that 3 people grade the coin, each not knowing others opinion. Take the three grades and a consensus could be determined rather a single perspective, would be one way for a better, more objective and fair result🤷🙏🕉️
The difference between getting a 66 or a 67 is who you know? I'm sure certain big customers will get that extra 1 when most wouldn't.
No, it doesn't happen that way, human grading is just an opinion based on experience with other coins of similar grades. Just happens they will eventually grade a coin registry grade when they think it appears to be that grade and not because of who sent it.
@@CoinHELPu that's good to know. I've always wondered about that.
I do think they kinda protect their registry set grades, seems one almost always gets one point lower.
I need it help
No mention of the bow tie.
At higher grades the bow tie and lapel can indicate the degree of die wear. A perfect three-dimensional bow tie is something to look for.
No grading guide mentions a bow tie. Where did you get that? A coins grade is determined by a pattern of wear and in MS by the amount of contact marks. Not how well it is struck. Even FS nickels can be low or high grade as can non FS nickels.
@@CoinHELPu just a personal preference....I always look at the bow tie....if it's there the way I describe, 3D, I will pay more...on any date
strength and definition of the lapel lines, same way...I assume early die states do better in preserving these details on some higher-grade cents.
I find a lot of them metal detecting, not worth grading, a lot of times the rim is worn down, good video I found a large cent 1790,; totally flat, Liberty Cap. I weighed and measured but no clue on date
Even GOLD if you keeping it in different environment change the color!!!that why they sent to a specialist to clean 🧼 the GOLD !!!! With out damaging it !!!!!
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I have a 1943 Lincoln steel penny no mint mark on it I won't to seal for 15000.00
I have several without a mint mark, that means they where struck at Philadelphia, there's millions without a mint mark out there.
I from Nigeria
I have this coin penny 1966 1988 1975 1974 1980 1981 1984 1991
High 60,s pennies are made of unubtanium!!😂🤣😂🤣
The Most of very old coins 🪙 got clean !!!! With out get damaged easy to Finding out !!!!!!even the some pictures that you are showing!!!!
Huh?
Very helpful video, thanks Daniel.