Hi Peter, we have found your video very useful, thank you for that! However it is not really clear what do you do when the market goes against you. On your P&L sheet I can only see a couple of losses, how did you manage that?
Hi Peter love the content can you direct me to the forum where you have the automated one click system ie plus 3 set up on the settings as I can’t seem to find it anywhere. Regards
is it always near the end of the race when you do this or is it whenever the horses slow down? I've seen some races where the par chart shows horses slow down near the start. can i do it near the start?
The info between the red and blue lines appears to be in the middle of the two. Could you explain how they went off too quickly as they are not close to the " fast line ". I'd have imagined " too fast " would be very near or even above the red line ? It looks like a steady pace. Thanks
Thank you for your comment! I can understand why you might have that perception. In this video, I'll explain in detail how the information between the red and blue lines can be considered as going off too quickly. You can also add a middle line to check this. But the most important thing is that pace collapse towards the end. If they are above average, that pace collapse happens sooner, but the faster they go the quickly that pace collapses.
@betangeltv i am trying to emulate the trade but it think there are some features on rheir such as the race data and info from racing post are premium subscriptions seperate to betangel. Are you able to post some info on hownto set up tbe same as whats in the video?
Thank you for your suggestion! I'll definitely consider making a deeper video about these stats and where to look for them. Stay tuned for more content!
Thanks for watching! I'm glad you found the video interesting. The strategy I discussed in the video is based on mathematical calculations and statistical analysis, which helps to give you an edge in certain situations. It might take some time to fully grasp, but you'll get the hang of it!
You do, but as always, it, it is a balance of the strike rate, etc. I think this strategy flatters a lot of people who merchandise it as a winning one. When getting an edge is much harder than showing something that wins often.
From your experience Peter, how accurate, over time have you found the front runners given by Racing TV to be ? How else are using TPD besides the strategy highlighted in this video, could you share by doing other videos using using different strategies TPD.
You have two key problems. Available data, more races are better and whether the horse actually get the starts it requires. So there will always be a little bit of judgement if you try and trade every race. But the best approach is to wait for the wright opportunity.
Beginners need to be careful laying towards the end as the odds can go against you very fast.Would you recommend a stop loss peter if doing in play? Thanks for another great vid 👏
Absolutely, it's crucial for beginners to be cautious when laying towards the end. The odds can definitely turn against you quickly but remember, we are laying to liability so that limits your maximum loss. As for using a stop loss, it's always a good idea to have a risk management strategy in place but the market is so volatile inplay that a stop will get triggered too often and quickly to be of much use.
Hi I have recently come across you about an hour ago and commented on a football Goles p/g video.. which then led me on to this more recent video.. Ime just wondering where I can get this software to help with my trades?
Not really, as they all have their peaks and troughs. My experience was built up over time. So I didn't really have a scatter gun approach. I simple worked hard on one sport and when I had mastered that I worked hard on another. My first market was golf, then football and eventually horse racing.
When you lay by liability, you lay a runner at the proportion of book value. So you wouldn't lay £100 you, it's just that as a proportion of the runner you are trying to trade.
Forgive my ignorance but the first trade you do you state that a profit of about £3 is made for a RISK of £30. But the Liability [Risk] was clearly £100. Bit misleading for any novices watching ... Don't you think ? It's no good saying .. Ahh but I had no intention of letting it go in play, therefore the £100 was never in any danger. Correct, but the Novice would still have had to have the £100 in his / her account before being able to Lay the Bet. Bit irresponsible not to point this out imho ... unless I am missing something.
We are staking to a liability of £100 in total, so the actual stake is related to the price at which you lay. But the maximum you could lose is £100 in theory. But of course, as the statistics show, it won't happen very often. The statistics still stack up. There are many ways to approach this that can limit the liability, but as this is all done inplay, as you need to see how the race is playing out before you initiate the trade. That's a big part of the risk management.
@@betangeltv Looking at the screen at 1m22s the P&L column shows a profit of £30.30 on 3 runners and a loss of £99.99 on ImpressionChic. If the Race is run to its conclusion and ImpressioChic won, would you not lose the £99.99 ? And would not a Trader need to have this £99.99 in his account in case, for whatever reason, he failed to Trade out, and the full liability was lost ? [Bf does have a habit of getting suspended at the most inopportune moments sometimes]. Also, is not Risk and Liability one in the same thing ? Again, please excuse my ignorance if I have this wrong.
@ceeabee is correct. If numbers 5,3 and 1 all fell over before you hedge out for 5 ticks you have lost £99.99 not £30@@betangeltv The method still stands as the success rates displayed suggest so but the video example risks £99.99 for 5 ticks profit (£3.15).
Ha ha as usual I have watched a betangel video and got to the end and asked myself what did I learn and as usual absolutely nothing,just lay the front runner if there’s decent pace and that’s your edge,bollocks,!!!!!
Bit of advice for you 'Trev' If you buy fake UA-cam accounts to leave abuse on other channels. Maybe don't chose one from an underage Thai boy. It makes you look a bit of a perv.
been checking the strategy and usually there is no way to back them as lay bet wins mostly live. Can you confirm like that its long term winning system if picking right horsie at the right time@@betangeltv
Hi Peter, we have found your video very useful, thank you for that! However it is not really clear what do you do when the market goes against you. On your P&L sheet I can only see a couple of losses, how did you manage that?
Hi Peter love the content can you direct me to the forum where you have the automated one click system ie plus 3 set up on the settings as I can’t seem to find it anywhere.
Regards
Good video Peter, great value as always 👍
Thank you so much! I'm glad you found value in the video.
Quality content as always
Thank you
is it always near the end of the race when you do this or is it whenever the horses slow down? I've seen some races where the par chart shows horses slow down near the start. can i do it near the start?
Peter, your a legend
Thank you so much for your kind words! I really appreciate the support.
The info between the red and blue lines appears to be in the middle of the two. Could you explain how they went off too quickly as they are not close to the " fast line ". I'd have imagined " too fast " would be very near or even above the red line ? It looks like a steady pace. Thanks
Thank you for your comment!
I can understand why you might have that perception. In this video, I'll explain in detail how the information between the red and blue lines can be considered as going off too quickly. You can also add a middle line to check this.
But the most important thing is that pace collapse towards the end. If they are above average, that pace collapse happens sooner, but the faster they go the quickly that pace collapses.
@betangeltv i am trying to emulate the trade but it think there are some features on rheir such as the race data and info from racing post are premium subscriptions seperate to betangel. Are you able to post some info on hownto set up tbe same as whats in the video?
What are you looking for in particular?
If you visit www.attheraces.com there are pace maps and additional information there. It's a good source.
Peter it is possible if not already done deeper video about these stats ,what and where exactly to look for?
Thank you for another great video
Thank you for your suggestion! I'll definitely consider making a deeper video about these stats and where to look for them. Stay tuned for more content!
Hi Peter how did you get the data (strike rate percentage) for 5, 10, 25 ticks? 3:43
Live data from about 400,000 races
Interesting video, still trying to work out how you mathematically have an edge with this strategy.
Thanks for watching! I'm glad you found the video interesting. The strategy I discussed in the video is based on mathematical calculations and statistical analysis, which helps to give you an edge in certain situations. It might take some time to fully grasp, but you'll get the hang of it!
Very high strike rate but when your offset bet doesn't get matched you lose stacks in comparison to your potential win.
You do, but as always, it, it is a balance of the strike rate, etc.
I think this strategy flatters a lot of people who merchandise it as a winning one. When getting an edge is much harder than showing something that wins often.
From your experience Peter, how accurate, over time have you found the front runners given by Racing TV to be ? How else are using TPD besides the strategy highlighted in this video, could you share by doing other videos using using different strategies TPD.
You have two key problems. Available data, more races are better and whether the horse actually get the starts it requires. So there will always be a little bit of judgement if you try and trade every race. But the best approach is to wait for the wright opportunity.
How do you get up that in running chart you had?
Which one? Can you describe what you are looking for?
Beginners need to be careful laying towards the end as the odds can go against you very fast.Would you recommend a stop loss peter if doing in play? Thanks for another great vid 👏
Absolutely, it's crucial for beginners to be cautious when laying towards the end. The odds can definitely turn against you quickly but remember, we are laying to liability so that limits your maximum loss.
As for using a stop loss, it's always a good idea to have a risk management strategy in place but the market is so volatile inplay that a stop will get triggered too often and quickly to be of much use.
could you not back the horse and trade out halfway through
Hi I have recently come across you about an hour ago and commented on a football Goles p/g video.. which then led me on to this more recent video.. Ime just wondering where I can get this software to help with my trades?
Thank you for watching my videos and showing interest in the software! You can find the software at www.betangel.com
How accurate is the pace data. Is there a lag.
Somewhere around 2-300ms
What is tpd and how it's calculated? How betangel knows the speed of the horse?
I did a video on it - ua-cam.com/video/r8Fp7jga1lg/v-deo.html
Can I get the TPD on the Vps server installed?
Yes, easily, you just need to go to settings/total performance data, and enter your key there.
I always wanna ask you one question. If more than 20 years ago you choose only one sport to trade wouldn't it be financially better?
Not really, as they all have their peaks and troughs. My experience was built up over time. So I didn't really have a scatter gun approach.
I simple worked hard on one sport and when I had mastered that I worked hard on another.
My first market was golf, then football and eventually horse racing.
Nice!
Thanks!
Any thoughts on using premium tradings broker ?
Never used them so can't comment
Hello Peter.
You laying by liability 25%?
When you lay by liability, you lay a runner at the proportion of book value. So you wouldn't lay £100 you, it's just that as a proportion of the runner you are trying to trade.
That live information comes at a big cost to beginners.
Just think of it as an investment against others that are no prepared to do that.
Forgive my ignorance but the first trade you do you state that a profit of about £3 is made for a RISK of £30. But the Liability [Risk] was clearly £100. Bit misleading for any novices watching ... Don't you think ? It's no good saying .. Ahh but I had no intention of letting it go in play, therefore the £100 was never in any danger. Correct, but the Novice would still have had to have the £100 in his / her account before being able to Lay the Bet. Bit irresponsible not to point this out imho ... unless I am missing something.
We are staking to a liability of £100 in total, so the actual stake is related to the price at which you lay. But the maximum you could lose is £100 in theory. But of course, as the statistics show, it won't happen very often. The statistics still stack up.
There are many ways to approach this that can limit the liability, but as this is all done inplay, as you need to see how the race is playing out before you initiate the trade.
That's a big part of the risk management.
@@betangeltv Looking at the screen at 1m22s the P&L column shows a profit of £30.30 on 3 runners and a loss of £99.99 on ImpressionChic. If the Race is run to its conclusion and ImpressioChic won, would you not lose the £99.99 ? And would not a Trader need to have this £99.99 in his account in case, for whatever reason, he failed to Trade out, and the full liability was lost ? [Bf does have a habit of getting suspended at the most inopportune moments sometimes]. Also, is not Risk and Liability one in the same thing ? Again, please excuse my ignorance if I have this wrong.
@ceeabee is correct. If numbers 5,3 and 1 all fell over before you hedge out for 5 ticks you have lost £99.99 not £30@@betangeltv The method still stands as the success rates displayed suggest so but the video example risks £99.99 for 5 ticks profit (£3.15).
@@betangeltv so if you using £100 liability how come your biggest loss is -£12.23 or -3,21 ?
Probably you need to exit before you risk 99.9£. For sure you need some stop/loss strategy.
Ha ha as usual I have watched a betangel video and got to the end and asked myself what did I learn and as usual absolutely nothing,just lay the front runner if there’s decent pace and that’s your edge,bollocks,!!!!!
Bit of advice for you 'Trev'
If you buy fake UA-cam accounts to leave abuse on other channels. Maybe don't chose one from an underage Thai boy. It makes you look a bit of a perv.
Risking £30 to make £3 😮
That's the funny thing about trading, if you know your strike rate is high that's perfectly ok. People just don't get it.
been checking the strategy and usually there is no way to back them as lay bet wins mostly live. Can you confirm like that its long term winning system if picking right horsie at the right time@@betangeltv
Betfair software. Making heads or tails really complicated.
You think it's random?