Every WWE Champion Ranked From Worst To Best

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  • @WhatCultureWrestling
    @WhatCultureWrestling  3 місяці тому +17

    Yes, indeed, we forgot Sheiky Baby. Our sincerest apologies go to the great legend.
    "AND F*** THE HULK HOGAN"

  • @gamejoker7
    @gamejoker7 3 місяці тому +32

    To my relief, you forgot The Iron Shiek on this list... when I was watching and it got to the Top 10, I was like there is no way in hell you put him this far up the list...lol

    • @anthonycairo9202
      @anthonycairo9202 3 місяці тому +1

      Dude I was thinking the same thing.

    • @martezdetroit3164
      @martezdetroit3164 3 місяці тому +2

      Wow... Well unless he does an edit clip and lets us know where he slots him___ the list is null & void. Thanks for catching that

    • @chrishollister80
      @chrishollister80 3 місяці тому +4

      To be honest, this list is VERY questionable anyway (Shawn Michaels was definitely not a better draw than Trips. Say what you want about Trips, but he definitely outdrew Michaels. A video redux is needed

  • @dreadlor11
    @dreadlor11 3 місяці тому +17

    You legit say Diesal is the lowest drawing champ in company history, but still have him above Flair, Randy, Cody, and Jeff Hardy? I immediately throw opinions out the window there...

    • @dastardlywun
      @dastardlywun 3 місяці тому +1

      Jeff Hardy was the most popular wrestler in the world when he won the belt

    • @khesipresents1885
      @khesipresents1885 3 місяці тому

      ​@@dastardlywunCena and Batista was ....Hardy was #3 though

    • @hiddensword9387
      @hiddensword9387 2 місяці тому

      Diesel was there at a time when business was low for all of wrestling. Cody and Jeff were there when WWE was basically Mcdonalds, you could pretty much put the title on anyone and it would be ok for the WWE. They were firmly on the stock market and had no threats to worry about. WWE had become a legacy name by the late 2000's really. Champs don't really make much of a difference to drawing now anymore, the WWE name is the real draw.

  • @craigcarlock8910
    @craigcarlock8910 3 місяці тому +37

    Vince McMahon being wwe champion is equivalent to Vince Russo being wcw champion a dark time in wrestling

    • @joekontor6030
      @joekontor6030 3 місяці тому +3

      Mac was at least a storyline. RuRu was a pointless shock swerve.

    • @craigcarlock8910
      @craigcarlock8910 3 місяці тому +2

      @@joekontor6030 they were both equally pointless

    • @camerondalton1495
      @camerondalton1495 3 місяці тому +2

      I wouldn't go that far since Vince's reign was not that long.

    • @Rmedina126st
      @Rmedina126st 3 місяці тому +2

      Not even close. McMahon was a legit villain and even on this dumb move it mattered and fed a long term fued. Russo was pissing on wcw and showering attention on himself.

    • @Apon_1010
      @Apon_1010 3 місяці тому +3

      Vince's reign didn't last long and it was a good storyline so I don't mind it .

  • @jondough9315
    @jondough9315 3 місяці тому +22

    Randy Orton is way too low on this list. Putting him below Bobby Lashlry and Jeff Hardy is diabolical.

    • @camerondalton1495
      @camerondalton1495 3 місяці тому +1

      Hardy makes sense for the moment and story alone. I agree on Lashley.

    • @jondough9315
      @jondough9315 3 місяці тому +2

      @@camerondalton1495 he was champion one time for about a month and did nothing meaningful with it. I don’t see how you can put that above a 10X champion.

    • @ghanghusgoins7430
      @ghanghusgoins7430 3 місяці тому

      Ÿ8⁷⁷​@@camerondalton1495

    • @HuntsmanOutdoors17
      @HuntsmanOutdoors17 2 місяці тому +1

      Can we talk about diesel being above RIC FLAIR 😂

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 3 місяці тому +20

    I felt sorry for Rey Mysterio. He only held the WWE Title for an hour before WWE screwed him over to build the CM Punk vs. John Cena feud in 2011. 😡

  • @chrisdancy1254
    @chrisdancy1254 3 місяці тому +11

    Bret BELONGS in the top3 NOT outside the top 10 are you kidding me WhatCulture

  • @joekontor6030
    @joekontor6030 3 місяці тому +35

    YOU FORGOT THE IRON SHEIK?!?!

  • @MetalMadness_00
    @MetalMadness_00 3 місяці тому +18

    No Iron Sheik

    • @anthvevo846
      @anthvevo846 3 місяці тому +1

      Legendary wrestler, took the fall to kickstart hulkMania

  • @wweminehead
    @wweminehead 3 місяці тому +14

    Nice to hear someone else's opinion on worst to best for this sort of stuff

  • @aaronhurst4379
    @aaronhurst4379 3 місяці тому +3

    I'm sorry but missing out The Iron Sheik is shocking, guys 🤦‍♂

  • @terrencebell9609
    @terrencebell9609 3 місяці тому +1

    Miz at 42 is crazy his first title reign was great just had a bad ending. His second reign should've been booked better. Hated they used him to push Bobby.

  • @kadharefinley224
    @kadharefinley224 3 місяці тому +3

    Austin, Hogan and Cena are the three guys I immediately think about the WWE Championship.

  • @gestaltdude
    @gestaltdude Місяць тому +1

    I've always thought the infrequent defenses, which when they occurred always ended in outside interference, had the opposite effect I'm sure Vince thought it did; made Reigns look incredibly weak. Yes, he was a heel most of that run, but heels shouldn't need to cheat to win Every. Single. Time. I know it took longer for Reigns to rise than Vince hoped which, combined with the precedent set by Lesnar, likely softened the belief that every title must be defended at least monthly, but having the most important title held hostage by a part timer, for me at least, did irreparable damage to said title. I'm just hoping Cody can put some shine back onto the turd that the company's oldest title has become.
    I have also, by complete coincidence, just finished watching 'mania 13 and the RAW/Nitro that followed. (going through the wars cause I missed them first time). Good to know I've some decent stuff to look forward to.

  • @alehandroarries6995
    @alehandroarries6995 3 місяці тому +4

    honorable mention Antonio Inoki better known as Episode one the phantom champion

  • @stevechilvers7514
    @stevechilvers7514 3 місяці тому +2

    Am happy to be wrong, but I Pedro Morales won the Intercontinental Title and the US title wasn't a thing in the then-WWF in those times

  • @KK-qs2kq
    @KK-qs2kq 3 місяці тому +7

    Stonecold, Hulk, Cena, Bret, Bruno...then everybody else.

  • @jonathanbillker7642
    @jonathanbillker7642 3 місяці тому +1

    I love your videos, but the random inserts of obnoxious noise clips were really, really annoying to me

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 3 місяці тому +4

    The only thing I know about Hulk Hogan is that he beat Andre the Giant.

    • @anthonycairo9202
      @anthonycairo9202 3 місяці тому +3

      If that’s the only thing you know about Hogan then you really need to do you history homework on the WWF/WWE. Hogan made wrestling what it is today. Nobody will ever be a bigger star then Hogan when it comes to wrestling

  • @DerangedVoices
    @DerangedVoices 3 місяці тому

    Jeff Hardy was scheduled to actually win the money in the bank ladder match at WrestleMania 2008, then cash it in soon after to gain his first WWE championship. It's a shame too, because not only is Jeff Hardy my favorite wrestler, if it wasn't for The Hardy Boyz, I never would have gotten into WWE most likely.

  • @KidCthulhu82
    @KidCthulhu82 3 місяці тому +6

    I'm a Rock fan but he shouldn't be in the Top 10, let alone above Bret, Brock or Michaels. His reigns were mostly short, his longest reign was in June- October of 2000. Yes, he was popular and a draw but c'mon, this is about their time as Champion and Rock may be an All Time Top 10 Superstar (even that is debatable) but he should barely break the Top 15/20 when it comes to Champions.

    • @mikeroagreschen5350
      @mikeroagreschen5350 19 днів тому +1

      I agree. The Rock was one of those guys who didn't need to be champ to draw money, and indeed his title reigns weren't incredibly great.

  • @diegoprodriguez
    @diegoprodriguez 3 місяці тому

    I’m glad Bray Wyatt got to hold that belt at least one time. No matter how much time goes on, so long as the WWE title remains, the lineage of Bray and everyone before and after him continues

  • @woooooooo9061
    @woooooooo9061 3 місяці тому +2

    Brett Hart, Rock and Austin

  • @craigcarlock8910
    @craigcarlock8910 3 місяці тому +4

    Garrett I appreciate the work you put in on this list kofi deserved better so did punk

  • @camerondalton1495
    @camerondalton1495 3 місяці тому

    When you look back at the booking going into SummerSlam you can tell that RVDs run with the WWE title was going to be cut short in spite of the bust. Since he likely would've dropped it to Edge at Saturday nights main event setting up Cena and Edge.

  • @BoogalooBartholomew
    @BoogalooBartholomew 3 місяці тому

    I would be interested to see where certain guys (Undertaker, Batista, Edge, Rollins, Finn Balor to name five) would have landed if World/Universal reigns were also included.

  • @Rmedina126st
    @Rmedina126st 3 місяці тому

    I feel like YOKOZUNA got disrespected! He was a true villain who had a short but impactful run with the golden eagle!

  • @mrnice162
    @mrnice162 3 місяці тому +1

    randy orton at #32 is abysmal. he’s defended and won the championship at mania, won it 10x , beat guys like cena hhh batista hbk jeff hardy, won it multiple times in a span of 13 years(3 different eras). how is cody rhodes a better wwe champion than randy orton, it’s like you guys are just view farming 😂

  • @mikeroagreschen5350
    @mikeroagreschen5350 19 днів тому

    As legendary as Andre the Giant was, he was WWF Champion for less than two minutes and made no defenses. He should be at the very bottom.

  • @kelz-TK
    @kelz-TK 3 місяці тому +2

    Long live Psycho Sid❤

  • @2ndteamentertainmentllc
    @2ndteamentertainmentllc 2 місяці тому

    Jinder is actually world champion in a few different promotions now
    And he was getting hot earlier this year

  • @vicedm1145
    @vicedm1145 3 місяці тому +3

    Great, something for my Tism

  • @JoshGarza-z7d
    @JoshGarza-z7d 2 місяці тому

    It was super unfortunate that you said, "'95 KOTR" & not the "'94 KOTR" Not sure why I noticed it so much but yeah... unfortunate.

  • @jamesbonnen
    @jamesbonnen 3 місяці тому

    22:32 Hogan/Slaughter should have happened when they were both good guys in 1985

  • @deepakvijayan97
    @deepakvijayan97 2 місяці тому

    Roman Reigns was Universal Champion for 1316 Days not WWE Champion His 4th Reign as WWE Champion Lasted 735 Days (Wrestlemania 38 Night 2 to Wrestlemania 40 Night 2)

  • @nygreek743
    @nygreek743 3 місяці тому +3

    YOU FORGOT SHEIKY BABY!!! 🇮🇷#1 !!!!!! THUMBS DOWN!!!!

  • @1ElonFan
    @1ElonFan 3 місяці тому

    Hogan the original, stone cold needs no introduction, shawn Michael's the comeback kid

  • @UltraSteven32
    @UltraSteven32 3 місяці тому

    Putting Jinder at #1 is definitely a statement but hey, you do you.

  • @scourge2602
    @scourge2602 3 місяці тому

    I can only imagine the meltdown Andy had knowing Hogan was 1 on this list 😂

  • @mrnice162
    @mrnice162 3 місяці тому +1

    how is the undertaker a better wwe champion than randy orton and they accomplished more or less the same things as champion?

  • @JLWprime10
    @JLWprime10 3 місяці тому +2

    For me the greatest champion of all time is John cena he is everything he carried WWE longer then everyone and he’s done more for the business as well.

  • @zaphod100
    @zaphod100 3 місяці тому +2

    I’m just here to read the complaints about the list

  • @TheFulf316
    @TheFulf316 3 місяці тому

    The best champs are always the ones who are genuine stars and not those that Vince tried to force

  • @2o7xx
    @2o7xx 3 місяці тому +1

    I disagree with hulk hogan being number one. I think hogan and Bruno need to switch spots

  • @kylelittle8816
    @kylelittle8816 3 місяці тому

    Vince being last is right but then it should of been Del Rio and then Hulk Hogan!

  • @christopherwiessner555
    @christopherwiessner555 3 місяці тому

    Eddie v Brock is my favorite match too.

  • @cadendicky1855
    @cadendicky1855 3 місяці тому +2

    I prefer that we all instead consider Hulk Hogan at least in the top 10 while Stone Cold gets the #1 spot.

  • @GaetanoLacorazza
    @GaetanoLacorazza 2 місяці тому

    40:21 😂 Is that Phil Collins?

  • @werd5157
    @werd5157 3 місяці тому

    How about a list about wrestlers you didnt notice stopped wrestling

  • @ChrisBetton
    @ChrisBetton Місяць тому

    JBL beat Eddie for the belt at Judgement Day, not GAB.

  • @davids543
    @davids543 3 місяці тому

    Nice list

  • @ramerehenryarmstrong946
    @ramerehenryarmstrong946 3 місяці тому

    Can you please do WWE women's champions

  • @davids543
    @davids543 3 місяці тому

    I would have put the miz higher but agree with the rest

  • @pinapple9999
    @pinapple9999 3 місяці тому

    I really wished Kofi, Big E, and Dean’s championship were greater😅. Hopefully that just means Woods WWE championship run will be the best of them… Right😢

  • @centhegibbon8220
    @centhegibbon8220 3 місяці тому +2

    I'll be on this list one day, mark my words

    • @centhegibbon8220
      @centhegibbon8220 3 місяці тому

      idgaf if it's last either, it will happen

    • @joekontor6030
      @joekontor6030 3 місяці тому +1

      @@centhegibbon8220 Good luck! 👍

    • @joekontor6030
      @joekontor6030 3 місяці тому +1

      @@centhegibbon8220 You’d never be last simply because your name isn’t “Vince McMahon”.

    • @centhegibbon8220
      @centhegibbon8220 3 місяці тому

      @@joekontor6030 thank you brother!

  • @arleneconverse1238
    @arleneconverse1238 3 місяці тому +1

    Fun fact:
    Lashley is the only full black multiple time WWE champion

  • @RingsideRebel785
    @RingsideRebel785 3 місяці тому +5

    If Bruno's not #1 we riot

    • @romanvillegas7280
      @romanvillegas7280 3 місяці тому

      "Cry About It" because he wasn't. lol 🤣 "YEAH!"

    • @nalday2534
      @nalday2534 3 місяці тому +1

      What is brunos best Title defense?

    • @TimTE01
      @TimTE01 3 місяці тому

      @@nalday2534Google it

    • @RingsideRebel785
      @RingsideRebel785 3 місяці тому

      @@nalday2534 Probably Gorilla Monsoon or Stan Hansen or the match with Pedro

  • @rob9241
    @rob9241 3 місяці тому +1

    You do realize that the #1 wrestler placed here was not as popular as Stone Cold Steve Austin. Like it or not Austin, Triple H and the Rock held the title when WWE hit it's biggest peak. Austin retired many, many years ago, yet his shirts still sell out. While the one you labled as #1 has go away and stay away heat.

  • @1991ltd
    @1991ltd 3 місяці тому +2

    Triple H is not behind Mick Foley or AJ Styles. How silly.

    • @Ghostaredead
      @Ghostaredead 3 місяці тому

      I agree as a wrestler aj is better but as far as wwe champion triple earn the respect to be in front of them

    • @nalday2534
      @nalday2534 3 місяці тому

      AJ only good runs while Hunter had some stinker ones

  • @Mike6BITW
    @Mike6BITW 3 місяці тому

    The hottest Del Rio match is Dolph's cash-in😅

  • @PrinceVegeta95
    @PrinceVegeta95 2 місяці тому

    I don’t understand why you have Jeff Hardy so high up on the list. If you look at cagematch he only had 1 defense and he lost it. I get that a lot of people look at his career with rose tinted glasses but he’s overrated. And you didn’t explain what made him a good WWE champion. How’s he’s ranked higher than guys like Orton, Lashley and even Seth Rollins is ridiculous. I’ve seen way better ranking lists.

  • @floydwashington7974
    @floydwashington7974 3 місяці тому

    Jinder isn’t a better champion than Ivan, or del rio. Jinders run made people actually stop watching wwe and didn’t move the Indian market the way a real Indian would have. Kane was more impactful for a 1 day reign

  • @TheKingZing
    @TheKingZing 3 місяці тому

    Warrior over Kurt and Bryan for title runs huh.

  • @CarlosCruz-ox9wc
    @CarlosCruz-ox9wc 3 місяці тому

    Man, the hate boner you have for HHH is so weird

  • @jeffez6572
    @jeffez6572 2 місяці тому

    A wellness test 🤔🤔🤔🤔 apparently drug test is the next phrase unable to be spoken.

  • @j.t.a5395
    @j.t.a5395 3 місяці тому

    Pretty sure you’ve done this video, so don’t know, like a hundred times🙆‍♂️

  • @kylelittle8816
    @kylelittle8816 3 місяці тому +1

    Big E is way to high

  • @yenamarre424
    @yenamarre424 3 місяці тому

    Where is the Iron Sheik???

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 3 місяці тому +1

    Not everyone was meant to be WWE Champion.

  • @duanehough7991
    @duanehough7991 3 місяці тому

    Switch 2 and 1 and it’s fine

  • @austintucker1586
    @austintucker1586 3 місяці тому

    Best champion ever Bruno Sammartino
    Favorite champion John Cena
    Wrost champion ever vince McMahon

  • @majinbrawly81
    @majinbrawly81 3 місяці тому

    Kevin Nash 😂 KWAB

  • @Devondavis-fm2dz
    @Devondavis-fm2dz 3 місяці тому

    Lets me guess roman got a 5 star ranked

  • @josephjames2011
    @josephjames2011 3 місяці тому

    so tol me what you reallllly thought just to get to number 5

  • @pmfrank2034
    @pmfrank2034 3 місяці тому

    Jeff Hardy with Punk was for the World Heavyweight championship, not WWE

  • @mattbeier2580
    @mattbeier2580 3 місяці тому

    Roman Reigns never beat The Fiend . LOOK IT, UP .

  • @josephjames2011
    @josephjames2011 3 місяці тому

    GUNTHER ORTON RULED

  • @mjstory1976
    @mjstory1976 3 місяці тому +1

    Putting Mankind ahead Triple H proves you hate him and your undying love and loyalty for Tony Khan

  • @pharaohgamingtech1265
    @pharaohgamingtech1265 3 місяці тому

    randy orton 10 times champion how

  • @anthonycairo9202
    @anthonycairo9202 3 місяці тому

    I am Shocked that Whatculter put Hulk Hogan at number 1 with all the shit they talk about him. And yes Hogan should and always be number 1 on this list and other list. Also I think you guys forgot one other champion. The Iron Sheik. I don’t remember seeing him on this list

  • @ryanandrue792
    @ryanandrue792 3 місяці тому +2

    Pedro morales and bob backland over the Rock is hilarious

  • @daud.nawaz.1
    @daud.nawaz.1 3 місяці тому +1

    So basically you have to be a good draw to be one of the very best WWE Champions!
    No in-ring skill or finesse.

    • @BigBillyWilly12
      @BigBillyWilly12 3 місяці тому +1

      You need to be able to pet the E in WWE. If not go somewhere else

    • @daud.nawaz.1
      @daud.nawaz.1 3 місяці тому +1

      @BigBillyWilly12 Bro, that's literally what I said. The top picks were not as good in the ring as the other technicians that are ranked below in the list!
      Was Hogan a good wrestler? Was Steve Austin a good wrestler? Was The Rock a good wrestler? NO! All of them were good ENTERTAINERS and crowd-pleasers, but never good WRESTLERS!
      The 'E' in 'WWE' but not the second 'W' in 'WWE'.
      And by the way, back in the day when Hogan and Austin and Rock were the stars, it wasn't WWE. It was WWF. It was a bloody Federation!

    • @khesipresents1885
      @khesipresents1885 3 місяці тому

      How is iinr8ng skill judged?onemight like Kurt angle other might like powerhouse .....so draw power is a good indicator not skill in the ring ​@@daud.nawaz.1

    • @Aphelion_k9f
      @Aphelion_k9f 2 місяці тому

      The quality of in ring skills by themselves is subjective. Looking at how many butts get placed in seats is an objective measurement on who fans think is better. If you're so hung up on actual fighting ability then your #1 is Brock and no one else is close besides maybe Bruno, Lashley, and Kurt.

  • @TheYellowSnoman
    @TheYellowSnoman 2 місяці тому

    Roman really sucked though. Boring, predictable, forced.
    Glad you didn't completely overate his run

  • @Vier_LeFanz
    @Vier_LeFanz 3 місяці тому

    Just arrived at number 50 and I am already annoyed by not having heard the name of Jinder Mahal to this point...

  • @teamcook28
    @teamcook28 3 місяці тому +1

    How is 10 Time champion Randy Orton not top ten no matter how lackluster the reigns may have been it's still 10 times be for real

    • @1ElonFan
      @1ElonFan 3 місяці тому

      Nobody likes orton....Orton..... simple

    • @khesipresents1885
      @khesipresents1885 3 місяці тому

      Because all ten. Of them are not that memorable

  • @Kobe24brady12
    @Kobe24brady12 3 місяці тому

    Triple H being at 17 is criminal,Should be at least top 10

  • @swerve7552
    @swerve7552 2 місяці тому

    Jinder is too high

  • @Ghostaredead
    @Ghostaredead 3 місяці тому +1

    Did u really put Bob Backlund in front of the rock, brock lensar, and Shawn Michaels , taker ? Smh this list is a 👎

  • @mr.mimikyu2342
    @mr.mimikyu2342 Місяць тому

    hogan should NOT be the number 1

  • @mjstory1976
    @mjstory1976 3 місяці тому +1

    Putting Bruno anything except for #1 makes the entire list as trash 🚮

    • @anthonycairo9202
      @anthonycairo9202 3 місяці тому

      Not true. This list isn’t about who held the championship the longest. Hogan and Austin had a much bigger impact to wrestling then Bruno did. Bruno definitely in the top 3 or top 5. But you can’t put him at 1

    • @Aphelion_k9f
      @Aphelion_k9f 2 місяці тому

      @@anthonycairo9202 Negative. Bruno is the reason why WWE became a hotbed of business in the 60's and 70's. It's thanks to Bruno that Hogan and Austin even had a platform to stand on. Take Bruno out of history and Austin becomes a meager footnote in history, if he even becomes a pro wrestler at all, and Hulkamania maybe blows up to a lesser extent in AWA. If we are talking WWE, then Bruno is #1.

  • @LUKE2KOFFICIAL
    @LUKE2KOFFICIAL 3 місяці тому

    🤘

  • @5arratia
    @5arratia 2 місяці тому

    Cody is 55 ranked worst champ

  • @gerrybernecker1174
    @gerrybernecker1174 3 місяці тому +3

    Omg. Randy Orton is a fourteen time champion. Thats terrible. 🤔✌️

    • @teamcook28
      @teamcook28 3 місяці тому +1

      It's crazy how low he is. Plus he basically shits on the first 25 entries anyways so why not put him in top ten just on amount of reigns alone.

  • @ageo434_6
    @ageo434_6 3 місяці тому

    Literally where is the ranking of every X division champion? And that TNA world title video needs an update as well. Come on guys for us mericans??

  • @skeetervalentine2471
    @skeetervalentine2471 3 місяці тому

    wtf is this list?

  • @theguy1233
    @theguy1233 3 місяці тому

    Why is Del Rio lower then Jinder leave your biased thoughts at the door. Also unpopular opinion I think that Del Rio should be ahead of Jeff Hardy because he had a horrible run as champion and had no defences. He may have been popular but someone like Rvd actually defended the belt Jeff should be 40 at most. And Randy being behind Jeff is an insult to my sanity.

    • @camerondalton1495
      @camerondalton1495 3 місяці тому

      I think because Del Rio lost the title immediately to Cena and Punk after winning it. He's more associated with the world title.

  • @tylerjohngod
    @tylerjohngod 3 місяці тому

    I haven't even finished the video and already this list is trash

  • @richie3208
    @richie3208 3 місяці тому

    Jinder was way too high,atleast some of the guys below him deserved that title or there was a point to their run or something memorable happened in them winning or losing, not one good thing happened with Jinder

    • @putasdelfanta
      @putasdelfanta 3 місяці тому

      did you miss all the information in his?🌝

  • @ChristosTzoannis
    @ChristosTzoannis 3 місяці тому

    Jeff hardy is the definition of overrated

  • @peldoria
    @peldoria 3 місяці тому

    Edge is overrated