I gave away most of my Alice issue years ago. I've been wanting to put together another, but using only GI (no "made in China") gear. I finally found an "almost new" training butt pack today for a very fair price. Two mag/grenade pouches and I'm good to go...
It is hugely important to bear in mind that any sort of load-bearing belt setup is going to depend on your waistline. I'm a pretty thin bloke so I must keep my belt shorter than most and this does not afford me the luxury of having the standard four magazine pouches and two canteens. Instead I have to limit myself to two magazine pouches (never mind that one pouch has been substituted with an IFAK anyway!) This is a major reason that modern "war belts" are used to supplement your vest or plate carrier LBEs. Personally I subscribe to the belief that a belt should be what allows you to survive long enough to access the rest of your equipment, so only the absolute essentials should be carried on there. I include shelter and fire-starting equipment among these articles, especially for overnight hiking or long patrols away from ready resupply -- and nothing does this better than a standard rear pouch. The ALICE belt and harness system is still excellent equipment today despite being thoroughly displaced by more modern MOLLE equipment. It carries everything you need, it's easy to wear and adjust to your body type, and it is reliable under the most adverse conditions. In addition, a typical ALICE rig can be comfortably worn with older styles of body armour than weren't designed with MOLLE compatibility in mind. Perhaps because of this the Russian _Smersh_ counterpart to ALICE perseveres today, combining the adaptability of MOLLE with the ease of use of ALICE and proving that there is still a real place on modern battlefields for load bearing equipment separated from body armour.
You can always attach the canteens to the buttpack and the Etool to the Buttpack to free up space. The type of Etool can vary due to location you are at. You have the M1943 Etool carried in the M1951 cover or the more modern Tri-Fold Etool in the rubber cover.
also I wear mine down super low, im up in the mountains so having it down on your hips keeps you more balanced on slopes, but wear it high on low, and flat ground
i usually wear mine over my body armor but since my body armor is one of the old fallujah era type vests im pretty much fuckled if i get wounded and need to get all that shit off the vest doesnt have a quick release and it opens from the center
I've got plate carriers chest rigs I am so into trying to build a Alice set up I have a large Alice pack I'm working on everything else now just seems to work better
@@doitriteak I used to be a very good customer of Sportsman's Guide when Gary Olen ran it. Since he's been gone I've noticed them being very disingenuous in a lot of their descriptions of surplus i.e. the term "Municipal Surplus" .. read that as "Made in China". Also be careful of the small print "GI type". I'm a dual Italian citizen and have caught them misrepresenting Italian "surplus" too . There's another place, sort of a "hobby" effort at a business. But their stock is REAL... "Just keep shooting . com" Especially if you like stuff from the UK. An online company out of Chicago "ArmyNavy Sales.com" seems to have a lot of genuine gear
@@doitriteak huh, seems there was multiple interpretations of the pouch. I’ve got the radio pouch but the issue is, it has a separator in the pocket so I’m gonna have issues with making a ifak where as yours I believe is one big pocket. (Editors note) it’s the same thing but made by different companies, just bought a dagr gpa pouch myself but I’m gonna see if I can cut out the divider
H came before Y. The Y is designed to allow full arm rotation and scapular range of motion. Comfort is found with the H but function is found with the Y
@@doitriteak The H suspenders were the M1956 through M1967 series suspenders. Though you can attach the M1936 suspenders and the M1944/1945 suspenders as well to the ALICE gear.
im assuming this is a troll comment but on the off chance your serious i dont see why not i mean it wouldnt really have a negative effect or decrease your creature hunting efficiency....
I have this issue that the pistol belt kinda sags in on itself when attaching heavy load, tried adjusting the suspenders but when getting the belt to not sag it's the back side is lower than the front.
Try increasing the points of contact. I use the brotish yoke for 12 points. I strap 550 cord between two points and lace the yoke straps through it. Also use the old school isomat and make a belt liner. This will stiffen your belt and help prevent hot spots
@@doitriteak using lc1 clone pistol belt with lc2 suspenders, had no issues with it if there isnt a buttpack on it. Gonna see if I can find some paracord
If you can find H suspenders that were issued before those suspenders they carry and ride more comfterble
Not for me. They inhibit full scapular range of motion
I gave away most of my Alice issue years ago. I've been wanting to put together another, but using only GI (no "made in China") gear. I finally found an "almost new" training butt pack today for a very fair price. Two mag/grenade pouches and I'm good to go...
It is hugely important to bear in mind that any sort of load-bearing belt setup is going to depend on your waistline. I'm a pretty thin bloke so I must keep my belt shorter than most and this does not afford me the luxury of having the standard four magazine pouches and two canteens. Instead I have to limit myself to two magazine pouches (never mind that one pouch has been substituted with an IFAK anyway!)
This is a major reason that modern "war belts" are used to supplement your vest or plate carrier LBEs. Personally I subscribe to the belief that a belt should be what allows you to survive long enough to access the rest of your equipment, so only the absolute essentials should be carried on there. I include shelter and fire-starting equipment among these articles, especially for overnight hiking or long patrols away from ready resupply -- and nothing does this better than a standard rear pouch.
The ALICE belt and harness system is still excellent equipment today despite being thoroughly displaced by more modern MOLLE equipment. It carries everything you need, it's easy to wear and adjust to your body type, and it is reliable under the most adverse conditions. In addition, a typical ALICE rig can be comfortably worn with older styles of body armour than weren't designed with MOLLE compatibility in mind. Perhaps because of this the Russian _Smersh_ counterpart to ALICE perseveres today, combining the adaptability of MOLLE with the ease of use of ALICE and proving that there is still a real place on modern battlefields for load bearing equipment separated from body armour.
Have a 31” waist so yes I get it … prefer the LBE I’ve rather than the modern systems with some caveats
my waistline is 135cm ...
one man squad.
You can always attach the canteens to the buttpack and the Etool to the Buttpack to free up space. The type of Etool can vary due to location you are at. You have the M1943 Etool carried in the M1951 cover or the more modern Tri-Fold Etool in the rubber cover.
Very helpful video, I prefer the old school chest rigs over body armor
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also I wear mine down super low, im up in the mountains so having it down on your hips keeps you more balanced on slopes, but wear it high on low, and flat ground
i usually wear mine over my body armor but since my body armor is one of the old fallujah era type vests im pretty much fuckled if i get wounded and need to get all that shit off the vest doesnt have a quick release and it opens from the center
I've got plate carriers chest rigs I am so into trying to build a Alice set up I have a large Alice pack I'm working on everything else now just seems to work better
I’m think of starting my minuteman loadout soon and want to add this as part of my kit. Any recommendations for websites to buy from?
Armysurplusworld.com
Sportsmansguide.com
Ebay
@@doitriteak I used to be a very good customer of Sportsman's Guide when Gary Olen ran it. Since he's been gone I've noticed them being very disingenuous in a lot of their descriptions of surplus i.e. the term "Municipal Surplus" .. read that as "Made in China". Also be careful of the small print "GI type". I'm a dual Italian citizen and have caught them misrepresenting Italian "surplus" too .
There's another place, sort of a "hobby" effort at a business. But their stock is REAL... "Just keep shooting . com" Especially if you like stuff from the UK. An online company out of Chicago "ArmyNavy Sales.com" seems to have a lot of genuine gear
That is a good working system from the looks of it.
I really like some of the transitional equipment between ALICE and MOLLE.
Nice video, where'd you find that ALICE compatible IFAK kit?
I made it out of a random pouch I found at my local surplus shop. It was in the alice bin so I snagged it
@@doitriteak I need to buy the pouch anyways for my unpouched IFAK box.
@@doitriteak turns out I found out what that pouch is, it’s the radio pouch. I bought one a little while ago
Its actually the DAGR pouch. An old GPS
@@doitriteak huh, seems there was multiple interpretations of the pouch. I’ve got the radio pouch but the issue is, it has a separator in the pocket so I’m gonna have issues with making a ifak where as yours I believe is one big pocket. (Editors note) it’s the same thing but made by different companies, just bought a dagr gpa pouch myself but I’m gonna see if I can cut out the divider
Are there any major advantages between Y and H pattern suspenders? I don’t know why they made two patterns for.
H came before Y. The Y is designed to allow full arm rotation and scapular range of motion. Comfort is found with the H but function is found with the Y
Thanks, that really helped a lot.
@@doitriteak The H suspenders were the M1956 through M1967 series suspenders. Though you can attach the M1936 suspenders and the M1944/1945 suspenders as well to the ALICE gear.
can i use this to hunt bigfoot and the rake
im assuming this is a troll comment but on the off chance your serious i dont see why not i mean it wouldnt really have a negative effect or decrease your creature hunting efficiency....
What ia the official designation of your IFAK pouch?
There is no designation. No info I can find on it
@@doitriteak damn, ok thanks
What is the exact name of the buttpack for the LC2 trying to complete my kit and want the correct one
Should just be able to search for lc2 butt pack
Hey did you find the gear?
@@McdonaldsInFallujah I never did I’m just using a M1956 buttpack
I like to keep all my mags on my left side and all my utilities on the right; separated by the buttpack.
I have this issue that the pistol belt kinda sags in on itself when attaching heavy load, tried adjusting the suspenders but when getting the belt to not sag it's the back side is lower than the front.
Try increasing the points of contact. I use the brotish yoke for 12 points. I strap 550 cord between two points and lace the yoke straps through it. Also use the old school isomat and make a belt liner. This will stiffen your belt and help prevent hot spots
@@doitriteak using lc1 clone pistol belt with lc2 suspenders, had no issues with it if there isnt a buttpack on it. Gonna see if I can find some paracord
My belt is very used with many marks and starting to fall off.
Nice vid!
what is your experience ?
Issued this gear through boot camp. Fell in love with it even then
Don’t know if you’re gonna reply but, what model suspenders are you running on the alice/lc-1 system?
I use either the LC2 or I use the LBV88 suspenders
4 ammo pouches 2 canteens 1 I kabar on harness this is for FIGHTING