Brent Watches - War Without End, Part 1 | Babylon 5 For the First Time 03x17 | Reaction Video
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- Join Brent as he does his first watch of the Babylon 5 Season 3 episode "War Without End, Part 1." In this one, Sinclair gets a message from the past, Ivanova gets a message from the Future, and Sheridan gets Zathras'ed. So join Brent as he dives into his first watch of this episode.
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Your fanboy squee when Zathras appeared was worth waiting for.
no one listens to Zathras. 😭
Btw.. it’s not just an Odyssey looking space suit
It IS the same space suits from 2001 and 2010
Club 65 😂
Wait, really?
@@kaziu312it won’t show the link I tried to post, but search Babylon 5 2001 blue suit on Google to see the story
@@kaziu312 it would absolutely fit with the intricate/incisive mind of JMS to insert that form of homage
You already know the story of Michael O'Hare's departure from the show... knowing that today gives it that much more class seeing how JMS brought him back.
We in the UK didn't know why he had left Babylon 5.
The rumour we heard at the time was that the network wanted a bigger name, to pick up the series, instead of it just being syndicated.
When, you have watched the full run of season 3 & 5, we can have a discussion about stuff.
@@madsteve9 Nobody but JMS knew why he left until after he passed and JMS told the world the whole story in 2013.
Brent and Jeff know why now, of course, because they were told after Sheridan appeared for Season 2, so his guest appearance in WWE carries an extra significance that it didn't for us at first.
@@MattIon I want aware Brent & Jeff, knew.
It does, counter one the things JMS said. "The whole thing came to me in a shower".
Which we can talk about after the next episode. SPOILERS
@@madsteve9 Spoilers
But JMS was even more ingenious by rearraigning the story with trap doors in case actors could not play their roles for the entire time JMS had originally wanted them for.
Oh man, I've been waiting for you guys to get to this episode pretty much since you started your podcast. The way JMS handled this sort of storyline is literally what makes this show my favorite of all the Scifi shows, bar none.
Zathras would approve of the amount of Zathras in this episode.
Can never have too much Zathras
@@Babylon5FortheFirstTime It is sad the actor who portrayed Zathras (Tim Choate) died young in a motorcycle accident.
@@Babylon5FortheFirstTime Not too much, not too little. Zathras is always enough. It's Zathras work. I tell them, Zathras has many things to do, Zathras very busy man. Lots of things to work in Great Machine, you see this tool? Good tool, Zathras always use it to change tachyon flux in desired direction. But that tool? No, no, Zathras doesn't use it, too old, never use that tool, it just make everything bad. But do they listen to Zathras? No, it's always "come here Zathras", it's "where is Zathras?" it's "I need Zathras NOW". Zathras already has too much work, but then Zathras has to go back in past to help save Babylon 4, and help defeat shadows 1,000 year ago, but does anyone ever thank Zathras? Noooo, not once. The one go be the one, the others go do something else, and nobody thank Zathras. That's why Zathras so sad, talk so much, it's Freudian compensation for nobody listen to Zathras. But Zathras OK, be Zathras is be in pain, Zathras accept that.
@asehpe this is incredible
@@brentallenlive wait until I can share a special detail that came from teh B5CCG .. after next week's finale. It will blow your mind
I'm glad you finally got to this point in the series. Get ready to pick your jaw off the floor at the end of this 2-parter.
Can't wait!
That look that Marcus gave to Sinclair as the latter took command of the White Star :)
Told you
One of our long anticipated episodes. It has a great cliff hanger imo. Also, Brent, get that crown, you deserve it.
I would like to just point out that Sinclair has changed since S1. He is more determined, he has become a true leader, he took over the mission without even blinking. He's also happy? In a weird way. He is not confused, he knows exactly what to do. Unlike S1 Sinclair. Pretty cool acting by Michael O'Hare.
Lol, don't let it get too comfortable, Jeff has already won it for Part 2.....=
@@MrDdaland What? When Kosh2 reveals that he/she/it/they are a massive Rush fan? Or when it's hinted that Zathras might actually be The Great Egg!
@@timamherst-clark2699
ATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION
ATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION
ATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION
WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL
WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL
WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL
If you know, you know.
@Timamherst-clark2099. You can't be giving spoilers like that.
@@Duke00x No. Not good. Tim not good at thinking. Not the one. More like the 65!
7:06 A fantastic passing of the torch moment. Really hits you in the feels, especially considering the real life lore that goes along with it.
Zathras likes your reaction, but nobody will listen to poor Zathras.
In answer to all your questions No comment no comment no comment no comment no comment.
Zathras knew you would say no comment
You can't forget [REDACTED.]
No comment...
Haven't even hit play yet, and I agree, lol
Or as was said on one of my favorite dramas, “You might very well think that, I couldn’t possibly comment.”
I was so exited about this show, when it first aired! There was one chance to see it and I would never leave the house on that evening, except when I knew for sure that there would be a TV set where I was going and I could see the next episode. Nice to see a „new generation“ getting excited about Babylon 5 and loving it. It is still number three of my most loved space TV shows ever, only beaten by Firefly and Battlestar Galactica.
too bad BSG really crapped the bed in that last half year ugh.. Talk about leaving a bad taste _ I thought immediately that it was clear the writers had backed themselves into a corer with plot and just threew up their hands.
And the less said about the hag at FOX that singlehandedly killed FIrefly the better (very much in the same vein as the asshat JMS revealed was responsible for blocking any B5 development for 20 years)
These three episodes are so amazing. (I guess spoilers alert War Without End, Part 2 is a follow-up to War Without End, Part 1.) Babylon Squared and these two episodes are such amazing writing. Watching all three together, and remembering that there is a 2 year gap between them is just a measuring contest. JMS isn't just planting little seeds and comments and letting them flower in the following seasons. He has a full episode that isn't followed up on for 2 years.
This is the part of the series where I can't help but clicking "play next episode" my last binge I started with Interludes and Examinations and had to stop because I got as far as Season 4 Episode 5.
You didn't go for the next episode? And the next, next, next, next...
@@Petrosman it was a Herculean effort to not do that
@@TNJenni42 I feel that
The Vorlon with Rathenn is Kosh2, the same one who took Kosh's place on B5. Episode continuity is disrupted by your watching Walkabout first.
Maybe, but no reason Kosh 2 couldn't have gone off to Minbar in the intervening week(s) between Walkabout and WWE2.
Also, although the suit is the same, the Vorlon on Minbar speaks much more softly and calmly than Kosh 2 with his broken steam pipe Vorlon voice, so may not actually be the same (certain spoilers notwithstanding...)
@@simongiles9749 remember that when the replacement showed up at Babylon 5 he was enraged at Kosh's death - as were all the Vorlons. Not unsurprising that his vocal timbre would be very different - and remember there is the "muscial tone" language that is first emitted, then translated into English. So who knows what is going on with that bizarre Vorlon translator.
It is entirely possible (but not officially confirmed or denied) that Kosh was among the eldest and most respected of his race, and I and others have speculated that he VOLUNTEERED to go to B5 as observer. We already saw in his "vision" into John's face ("Sheridan .. learn") that he was the Vorlon monitoring Z'ha'dum - and that is why he could answer Yes when Delenn asked him if the SHadows had returned.
Now that is the reaction people want to see, the joy and smile when Sinclair is back and Zathras with him.
So great to bring him back one last time and I hope Michael had a great time filming this and end his part in the story with a fanfare.
you should delete your comment. They haven't seen part 2 yet.
I'm glad you 2 are waiting a week to watch part 2. WE HAD TO DO IT SO YOU HAVE TO. :D
Imagine having to wait months, and then trying to find out what time the network moved the show to between seasons :[
in actual airing order in 1996, WWE 1 and 2 came right after Interludes, THEN came the months long gap until Walkabout.. THAT is why anyone with half a brain wonders what the hell this "friend" is thinking telling them to watch that first. Kosh 2 doesnt show up at B5 until weeks/months after WWE in actual B5 timeline.
I am so glad to see you liked this episode. Who are the allies to the Shadows.... yeah that is a good question 😉🤩
Zathras tried to tell them, do not forget ally of Shadows because this always come back to bite Shadows in the a$$ (pardon my Minbari). But they never listen to Zathras, so Zathras has to do everything by himself. It's really sad to be Zathras but Zathras is used. Got some Brivari?
3:02, in "Voyager" the message was a "time mirror reflection" of a message here.......
It was a message from a future averted.
Reminder: THEY HAVE A PATREON where you can see the full length video of Brent watching AND the video where Jeff watches.😏
Thanks Tickle
Yeah but i have to wait for p2 first lol. no way im gonna watch a reaction to this without the p2 reaction. Im suprised they were not strongly advised to do both at once.
The patreon is well worth the cost of a couple cups of coffee.
I've not actually joined any patrons, but I've been strongly considering theirs for awhile now
Babylon 5 is a moment of beauty!
Awesome review, well worth the wait. Great to see you come full circle with Sinclair and Michael OHare. You'll love part 2
When you made your prediction about these two episodes, I wanted to write in the comments so much so badly, but I knew I couldn't, but the temptation was so irrisistable, that I had to gnaw off both my hands to prevent myself from doing it. Over the next few days I had to learn to type with my feet to write this comment.
You’d be surprised where that talent can come in handy…er…footy
Sheridan:When is this?
Londo" It is the LAST YEAR, the last DAY, and the last HOUR, of your life!
Sheridan's being unstuck in time is very similar to what happened to Kirk in the Tholian Web episode.
Kosh is the Vorlon ambassador on Babylon 5. "Third Kosh" would seem to be a Vorlon ambassador on Mimbar.
No that's the same Kosh who arrived to b5 in walkabout, remember walkabout was supposed to be watched AFTER war without end, watching it before gives some continuity errors like this.
@@Klaital1 Really? I just thought it was a different Vorlon on Minbari. Are you sure? I mean, throughout the series we see here and there a couple of Vorlons that aren't Kosh, at least not in the sense of being physically the same being.
I think it’s a third Kosh
@@Klaital1 Except that Minbar Vorlon speaks softly and calmly. Kosh 2 (or "Shit Kosh", to quote Medusa Cascade), is gruff and aggressive, and its Vorlon sound is like broken steam pipes. So may not be the same one, despite what's in Dukhat's Sacred Place.
@@simongiles9749 now referencing Dukhat's Sacred Place - THAT is pretty damn close to a massive spoiler.
Some of the answers about the minons and dark servants are answered later but other parts are answered in the movies or spin-off seires (Crusade being the big one being the shows plot revolves around dealing with the aftermath of the actions of some of the minons in B5).
Regarding Kosh2 Electric Boogaloo, remember WWE is normally watched before Walkabout, you opted to disrupt the time continuum.
Only seems appropriate given this episode.
Yes, Londo will be Emperor. Of a ruined Empire. Well, if that isn't like an ancient Greek oracle.
Unlike the previous two-parter, this one gives you some real excitement in the first part!
"That is the right question"
And so it begins
Servants/dark minions: think Orcs, Nazgul, fallen wizards and black numenoreans, barbarian lords, dragons, etc. Lots of different kinds for different jobs.
Haradrim...
I have the strange idea Brent hated this one.... ;)
Yup. It was awful
Indeed, he edited out 75% of his reaction
Michael o' Hare coming back was such a major thing. He had such a hard time and left after season 1. It's such a sad story if you dont know.
Everyone was glad he got to come back.
I imagine what his reception by the other crew members was like when he showed up on set for the first time. He's a great guy, I wished he had had more luck in life.
@@Asehpe There was a comment about the crew standing up when O'Hare entered to show respect for the "senior officer", but I'm damned if I can find it on the Lurker's Guide now. Must be a Mandela effect.
@@simongiles9749Actually, that was when Walter Koenig 1st showed as Bester
@@MrDdaland Ah, that's why I couldn't find it with WWE, yes, of course.
I am looking forward to your speculations for part 2. 😆
Oh, and Entil'Zha just means Ranger One in Minbari.
It means a little bit more than just Ranger One (but we won't find that out any time soon), but in this case yes, they're just calling him by his title of Ranger One in Minbari.
Well, that's what the Minbari told Sinclair it meant!
Anlashok’Na is Ranger One.
Marcus told us that Isil’Zha is the future so one can assume Entil’Zha has deeper meaning.
Based on that, can we assume Z’ha’Dum means future’s end, assuming Zha and Z’ha are the same word?
Anlashok’Na I don't think is spoilery. Entil'Zha is a bit spoilery.
@@sdfried4877 Thanks for turning this remark, which was supposed to satisfy Brent for now, into a spoiler!
It didn't occur to me until you were talking about the shadows minions. "War without End." Even after a side is defeated there are always those who think the losere were on to something and only if *they* had been in charge it might have gone differently. So shadow minions, could be lesser races we haven't seen on screen or portions of races who think maybe the shadows had the right idea and continue that ideology. We see it enough here, how many people still say the south will rise again or think the Nazis just went to far or not far enough. War without End, the next wars roots so often have taken root in the last war.
I don't know if its the accurate term, but I think technically that thing from Season 2 that was on board the sleeper ship was one of the "dark servants" of the shadows. That's more open to interpretation, given how strong that thing was, to call it a "servant" when it felt more like a miniboss.
This is some of the peak of the show, in my view. So many wonderful things happen here.
There were a few mentions of various allies in S2, all going back to meet with the Shadows on their home front.
@@hornorsilk2901 Indeed, but that was the one singular example of us actually seeing one, and the other being in another episode we recently saw, but I won't say more because i know they want to save some of that for the rewatch.
@@OpenMawProductions oh, there was another we saw in S2.
I'm not sure if these discussions should be had without a spoiler tag on the main comments - It feels like the kind of thing that the hosts will want to work out for themselves on a rewatch
@@neilbiggs1353 What exactly is on the table for discussion, then? This is getting to a point where the audience isn't allowed to say anything at all. We're down to "yay" and "boo" at this point. Its' getting really tiresome to, every time I say anthing, have someone jump on what I say and tell me its spoilers when it is very clearly not a spoiler. This isn't something that needs to be "worked out" since WWO presume that the audience is aware of this fact.
They watched the episode previously. It shouldn't need a spoiler tag if they already saw it with their eyes, especially when the very episode they are now watching is assuming they already know this information.
Spoilers are for things that have not yet been revealed.
What's the betting that Brent & Jeff will be recording the main episode tonight so they can watch part 2 over the weekend?
Lol, over at Discord we know they've already taped the reaction to Part 1 last night , and Brent has done his reaction to Part 2. Still have to wait till the main episode to come out, though I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen early
@@MrDdaland With the nature of how they go to analyse the episodes, I wonder if they may have tried to rush the part two. With the named two parters, if you try to analyse each episode separately you end up with weaker podcast episodes as the first one can't really be sure where things are going, and the second podcast episode has to recap old ground. It's different to say the trilogy of episodes where although there are some strong through lines from Message From Earth to Severed Dreams, each episode has enough plot that completes within the episode to still be viable for a podcast episode
It is very hard to resist the urge to binge-watch the show at this point anyway. 🤣
@@Nikioko I buckled and watched both parts on Monday after watching the Walkabout main episode. I know, I'm weak.
@@neilbiggs1353 Except that they are trying to recreate the same experience that we had watching it back in the day. The 2nd watch will be recreating the binge watching after the pre-ordered DVD boxset arrived on the doormat, courtesy of Amazon & Royal Mail.
This is the ONLY time travel story that even has a chance of working ... because "the first cycle" has a chance of coming through.
Zathras is not Hagrid. Hagrid is Zathras. Your time is outside of normal time.
Fair
Hagrid is not Zathras. Zathras is Zathras, but maybe not.
It means "ranger one in minbari".
My favorite line in Babylon 5 is "I understand. No not understand. But I will Do. Baghdad good at Doings, not understandings."
Is that voice to text? Zathras to Baghdad is one heck of an auto-correct!
Listen closely, BAGHdad, baghDAD
@@ianstopher9111 *golf clap*
"This is wrong tool... never use this." 😊
You guys should discuss your favourite directors of episodes. This story is directed by Mike Vejar, who is JMS' favourite director
'There's a Voyager episode like this'. Well, of course there is. ;-)
Totally geeking out. You are upon the beginning of the best to come. Can't say more or I'll just start spilling spoilers.
I watched this show as it aired and it has been a constant part of my life since. Thoroughly enjoying watching you guys watch B5 for your first time. 5*/65
65!!!!
Nice baseball shirt. It reminds me that diring the All-Star game the starting pitcher was Zac Gallen and I kept hearing Zack Allen
This is one of those episodes where Jeff should drop his reaction as well.
I think he has a reaction on their patreon
@@chrisharris9643Yes, we get both of their full reactions there (good or bad)
I love this. Brent, yo did great!
Till Monday, Be seeing you.
BTW I got to go to SDCC and watch the new animated B5 movie. Loved it!
Any thoughts on how much of the show you need to watch before seeing it? I know in the trailer there is a shot that is clearly meant to repeat something from late season 5
@@neilbiggs1353 I mean the main events of the movie (at least what I gathered from the trailer) happen after S5's ep21 and before ep22.
@@neilbiggs1353 I would say that ow you have started watching thre show, you should watch the full 5 seasons before watching B5 The Road Home.
I’m super jealous that I won’t be able to watch it for like…another year.
@@brentallenlive I am sure it will be worth the wait.
That's the new Kosh. You found the continuity error you created by watching Walkabout first.
How is it a continuity error? Vorlons travel...and it's been said that original Kosh was in and out of the station regularly. What's to say that New Kosh didn't go to B5..get set up..and then went to Minbar to be there for Sinclair's leaving. There's nothing about it that can't be -easily- handwaved away.
That was the obvious continuity error (assuming they are the same Vorlon) but there are some more subtle continuity errors that we will see if they identify either now or in the next couple of episodes.
@@zarabada6125 Exactly
Are you guys talking about the Vorlon who spoke with Rathenn about Sinclair? I always just assumed it was some other Vorlon who hangs out on Minbar since it's an important place in the scheme of things.
@@idea2go My thought too.
"I'll be in the car."
It is a great line, very deadpan
Zathras!
UGH! Having to wait another week is torture!
Tough Noogies, this is what we had to wait with during the original broadcast. So, sit, think, and enjoy this next week. 😈
@@loka7783 (in Sirius Black voice) "I did my waiting! One week of it! During the first run!"
@@k001daddyjust imagine if JMS hadn't altered the viewing order back then. Walkabout WAS originally going to be before WWE, but due to the upcoming scheduled hiatus it would have meant there would have been a several-month break between WWE1 and WWE2, so th order was changed last minute so as not to break up the 2-parter...
Happy excited Brent is best Brent.
I like that Brent best too.
@@Babylon5FortheFirstTime Much better than the grumpy, curmudgeonly one in the reaction to A Late Delivery From Avalon. 😜
@@robertdendooven7258Don't worry, wouldn't be surprised to see curmudgeon Brent shortly
Londo redemption over?
Stay tuned.
Good question, @hornorsilk2901! So, Brent, is Londo's redemption over?
We will never know for sure, but I guess it's joever.
I would say, Londo has become emperor. But emperor of a destroyed world. Maybe a puppet of the Shadows, because he served so well? This is definitely a punishment. This Londo becoming emperor thing reminds me of some ancient Greek oracles.
Having already seen part 2, I can say it’s definitely not over yet.
If you ain’t dead, it ain’t over.
No comments can possibly do this episode justice. Your questions are well drawn. I cannot offer comment though on the answers to the questions. Watch the next episode.
always loved your reaction regarding Zathras, and to be honest I forgot how humorous he is.
Just want to answer you one thing and I don’t think this is a spoiler as has been indicated a few times: the Shadows have minions that have been awake while they are sleeping and basically being caretakers, which is why in the timeline, even before the Shadows were supposedly awoken by the Icarus exploration crew, there was a ship that dig up the one on Mars.
One of this races, which are probably minions not allies, appeared to do those horrible implants in Ship of Tears.
Hope this clears things up for future discussion and i hope this comment is acceptable
Holy Crap it's here. I'm not gonna watch this because I'm planning to start on Patreon this month for the full length reactions! :-) Hopefully Zathras will help me figure out how all the syncing works for side by side playing.
Never tried the syncing - if you're not in the US, depending on the source, you may find yourself getting ahead of the video as I think most of Europe does 25fps (50hz AC grid) while the US does 24fps (60hz AC grid). Some US actors really hated how they sounded on UK TV in their shows because it raised the pitch of their voice a touch!
Hopefully people in the Patreon have encountered and solved the issue
OK I decided to go Full Centauri (check my hair!). I wonder if I'll figure out how to sync both Jeff and Brent's reactions at the same time with the original show (three windows total)? And as a Centauri we of course will get to whisper behind their back in the spoilers-allowed chamber that they don't have access to. Looking forward to trying it all out ....
Our reactions are Picture in Picture, so you don’t have to sync.
I am not sure if you ever read the Hyperion Cantos series, I think you will like it.
I bought the first Hyperion about 10 years ago and it's still on my shelf unread lol maybe I should read it then if you think it's good
@@chrisnielsen9885 It's quite good, especially the first book. But I recommend it particularly because of Brent's comments on War Without End.
(Spoiler) We've seen the minions of The Shadows back in Chrysalis: yellow, short, and doing funny things. I can't believe you missed them.
those are actually shadow fighters with the bomb, as we already saw. The "Allies" aren't ever specifically identified, so you can't actually try to make such a link. It could refer to the "Soldier of Darkness" revealed in The Long Dark; it could refer to the Streib (captured Sheridan), it could refer to the alien surgeons seen in Ship of Tears. Or an as-yet unidentified species. Or it could be all of them.
So close and yet... must not spoil, can't say yet...
*Homeric laughter*
btw, maybe it would be good to rewatch B squared before the second part?
hope jeff lets you watch part 2 this week also
It would have to be after they do their joint analysis episode for Part 1.
'Excitement' barely suffices as descriptions for this one goes.
Your excitement in this episode pretty much mirrored mine when I saw this particular one as a kid and you ain't seen nothing yet.
Who are these minions and dark servants? Amazing after 30 years and several watches over the years I just realized another little tidbit I never noticed before until watching this stream / podcast. We have technically met at least two of those minions already in a former episode. One was obvious and the other I just noticed. Food for thought for B5FTST.
do make sure not to confuse the shadow fighters (seen multiple times all the way back to when G'kar went to Z'ha'dum - and yes he actually named it as such) as "minions.. THey are vessels, not actual minions.
@@ZakhadWOW Not the one!
Listening to last week's episode, I was genuinely astonished at how close you got to the plot here, amazing work.
Wow, thank you!
Babylon 4 was much bigger than Babylon 5 and was mobile, not fixed in place like B5 is.
Yes. Babylon 1, 2 and 3 were sabotaged and blown up. But their debris was used as material for subsequent stations. But since Babylon 4 wasn't blown up but vanished into thin air, there was no material to be re-used. Therefore, Babylon 5 had to be shrunk in size by 1/3, due to limited resources.
Yes it was absolutely massive. Shame the CGI of the day can't really convey that.
B5 is mobile, you literally see it move in most episodes, just like mobiles do.
@@ianstopher9111 no it isn’t. It cannot leave orbit.
@@ianstopher9111 B5 is a space station. It orbits the planet below. And it of course has to make some corrections from time to time.
Should have watched both episodes together, like the movie it's supposed to be.
If I remember correctly, the originally ending of this was when Londo showed Sheridan what has happening on Centauri. Am I the only one who remember it that way?
Nah that's how they ended the "previously on" in part 2. I've had the same experience, remembering it wrong, because of that.
That was how I remembered it, but I'm willing to admit I could have been wrong. Certainly, I think ending there makes it more of a cliffhanger than the "get to work" ending, but I don't make those calls.
No, it feels like it should end on "just in time to die..." but its always ended where it does.
@@SuperZero42 that might be it...
No. That is the pen-ultimate scene. The final scene of part 1 is the dialogue between Sinclair and Delenn.
They totally don't watch ahead or anything before making predictions.
Exactly. We don’t.
Will guarantee they have heard the name of a upcoming episode
to quote form a different show. It's a "timey Why Me" thing. ;)
You cannot change history. Not a single line!
Zathras is a smarter better written, better acted version of Jar Jar Binks.
I don't recall if it was already revealed (or if this is a minor spoiler) but at one point Delenn DOES explain that the Shadows (no matter HOW powerful they are) could NOT do all the things they did without the help of servant races!
"Some serving loyally out of FEAR of the Shadows power, others, because they 'believed' or had something to GAIN."
"Lesser spoiler" (bigger than a 'minor spoiler' but still very small) - we WILL get to see some of these Shadow servants down the line. (come to think of it, we already have! in Ship of Tears? and another episode, I believe)
A connection between Z'ha dum and Entil Z'ha... Hmmm... Interesting theory. Have we heard any other Minbari words with that Z'ha syllable in them?
Z'ha obviously means “first”. Entil'Zha is Ranger One, and Z'ha'dum is the prime world of the Shadows.
@@Nikioko nope. Good guess tho. What those two specifically mean is... Not explicitly explained in dialog. But (I'm trying not to be spoilery here) if there's another Minbari word with that syllable in it that we've already heard, which comes with a translation, it's not a stretch to figure out these two.
@@NikiokoIsil’Zha is the future. Entil’Zha could mean something like protector of the future. Anla’Shok Na is Ranger One.
@@sdfried4877 You know what a spoiler is, do you?
@@Nikioko Where’s the spoiler. This shot is getting ridiculous. I’m referring to stated dialog from Marcus and making a supposition based on it, hence the question mark.
You made a guess about the root meaning of Z’ha’Dum which I believe is incorrect and you don’t see me having a fit.
Neither comment is a spoiler because they are both guesses that are not confirmed.
Good ups
2 parter? think you mean 3 parter :)
You watched out of order; you're confused about Kosh.
I promise you, even if we watched it “in the right order,” there’s absolutely NOTHING to clarify what’s going on with this Vorlon or the other one. It’s a bad argument to use.
Are you happy it had absolutely no ties to the World Wrestling Entertainment.
Kinda wish it did
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I always thought the end/interlude of this episode was a real let down. Just a throwaway line and the two characters walking down a generic corridor.
It definitely feels like a single episode that was padded out and then cut right in the middle, which is particularly egregious given the amount of stock footage re-use from Season 1.
It is a good episode overall, it's just the pacing could have been a lot better.
I think the use of Flashbacks was due in part for viewers who found the series in seasons 2 or 3. Those people never saw season 1 due to no way to see it.
Would you have preferred they end it in the Throne Room? It is a better hook but these shows had very specific run times so something would need to be inserted to push that scene back and then something would have to be removed from Part 2.
@@sdfried4877 absolutely!
@@robertdendooven7258 The flashbacks were always added to spoon feed the plot to casual viewers.
@@sdfried4877 I say, nothing wrong with that is there? They could also be used as time fillers. I just don't mind them being there. Especially for me because I never saw season 1 until the TNT rebroadcast. I found the show early in season 2.
Good ups