Brent Watches Endgame - Babylon 5 For the First Time | episode 04x20
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2024
- Join Brent as he does his first watch of the Babylon 5 Season 4 episode, "Endgame." In this one, the Earth Civil War comes to a close, Marcus makes a runs for it, Dr Franklin justifies his actions, Sheridan has an ace in the hole, and Delenn does her best Dr Strange impression...again. So join Brent as he dives into his first watch of this episode.
And be sure to catch our main show, Babylon 5: For the First Time, when Brent is joined by Jeff to take a deep dive into the episode, searching for those Star Trek-like messages, and seeing if they should have watched it sooner. New Episodes drop on Mondays.
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Even full grown man like my self still cry over this ep ending.
Me 2.
Every. Single. Time.
💔😥😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Just to confirm, yes, it was the singer he met during walkabout that Franklin talked about in the medical logs. I always appreciated that touch, where the search brings up irrelevant replies, but it also ties in to something seen previously
One of the nicer things they did, was across a few episodes of the series, was to make *ISN* a fixture that isn't just random talking heads, you see their normal operation, you see their fall, when they 'return', there is an impact.
The idea of creating ISN and going along with it was a great way to make the B5 universe more natural. I also love it.
best in season 1 tho imo
I met the actress who played the ISN anchor at a con in 99 and she was totally awesome and really appreciated people coming up to her and saying how much that liked the consistency.
Brent - every now and then in your reactions you ask if the CGI you're watching in the "remaster" of Babylon 5 is remastered - short answer, it isn't. This is the original CGI and composite work as is, no modifications or changes. It is a "re-transfer" at best. The CGI for Seasons 1-4 was rendered at 640x480 4:3 aspect ratio NTSC and saved on digital tape or film depending whether it was going to need compositing. Season 5 *might* have been rendered at a slightly higher resolution (it does look noticeably higher resolution than seasons 1-4) but it is still sub 720p.
The original source files for the CGI that would have allowed them to be re-rendered at higher resolutions were "lost" by WB so the DVD release used the existing 4:3 standard definition master tapes of the CGI renders, blew them up and cropped the top and bottom to fit the 16:9 aspect ratio of the live action from film. Predictably, this looks really bad, and the zoom of the picture jumps back and forth when you go from pure live action to CGI or CGI composites.
The HD "remaster" of Babylon 5 that you've been watching did new transfers of the live action from film at 1080p resolution but went back to the originally aired 4:3 aspect ratio so it would blend better with the 4:3 CGI and composite shots which are now presented in their original uncropped 4:3. They had to do this because they lost the original CGI source files that would have allowed a new 16:9 CGI render. The live action shots look a lot better in the remaster because they did a lot of colour correction and scratch/blemish removal that they didn't do on the original DVD release.
But what you're watching is just the original CGI upscaled to 1080p and probably a little post processing done, but it was not re-rendered from source files.
If you want to see what the B5 CGI would look like if it WAS re-rendered in 16:9 1080p from the original source files with a few touch ups like higher resolution textures for planets and nebula's, search for "Tom Smith Babylon5" on UA-cam and check out some of Tom's renders, they look freakin' amazing, and completely authentic. All the renders are Season 1-3 only, so no spoilers for you there.
While WB "lost" the CGI source files, it turns out that employees of both Foundation (who did Season 1-3 CGI) and Netter Digital (who did Seasons 4-5 and the later TV movies) kept many of the CGI source asset files that they worked on on hard drives etc after they left and/or the companies shut down. Nobody has a full copy of all the CGI source files AFAIK but between a bunch of people a large percentage of the original files still actually exist out in the ether...
Tom has some of those files from season 1-3 and has re-rendered them using a period authentic version of Lightwave 6. He remade some of the textures that were too low resolution or were missing from the files - like planet textures and nebulas in some clips, but the model files and scene files (lighting, object placement/animation etc) are original, so the results look authentic. It is not a "re-master" but a "re-render", with small touch ups. The original model files had far more detail than was needed for standard definition so hold up pretty well at 1080p.
Seriously check it out, they look really good.
Every time I watch these clips it makes me sad to think that there will probably never been an official release of B5 that re-renders the CGI in this way. One of the major hurdles is that many shots are composites of CGI with either live action or other post processed effects. For example in the episode you just watched the big fireballs during explosions are not CGI - they were composited in on top using Adobe After Effects, so a re-render of those battle scenes would be missing all the fireballs and explosions etc, which would have to be redone manually. Doing a proper remaster of the B5 CGI even if all the source files were found would be a lot of work as it means redoing all the composite shots as well...
Thank you for this info. I wondered if there are some talented B5 fans who could do some fan remderinf from scratch since the software tools for rendering cgi are so much more widespread now.
The two ships: Agamemnon and Apollo were on opposite sides of the Trojan war.
Good pull
Apollo was a Greek god, not a man. Think you're getting mixed up with Hector.
@@jimcook1161WHICH SIDE WAS APOLLO ON?
@@jimcook1161 Or Achilles
@@algi1- the Trojan War was a mortal war. No gods were directly involved. They just pulled strings from behind the scenes.
JMS put the 'incoming message on channel 4' line in as a thanks to the UK TV channel as it was heavily pushing the series while the US had abandoned it on its first run.
And Channel 4 being typically aloof never noticed, despite those moments being absolute gifts for using in trailers!
Yeah, it still slightly grates me that Channel 4 never really understood what they had
@@chrism7395 As demonstrated when they stripped the last five episodes, including "Sleeping In Light" across their "Big Breakfast" morning TV show, complete with an on screen graphic clock. Worse, when people complained, their show "Right To Reply" (was it called that? I can't remember) had B5 fans "beaming in" to complain. At least they repeated it at a later time.
@@phil90125 i seem to remember the daytime show being cut to ribbons too
Seasons 3-4 were broadcast very late at night, sometimes after midnight. And Season 5 was broadcast early in the morning.
This was a major pain back in the day of VCRs and adverts.
There’s a lot of real world machinations that were happening here that we can’t tell you yet because spoilers
Ms Maggie (the reporter) acted her heart out in that scene… she breaks my heart every time I see her do it.. the shaking hands, the quavering voice… it is one of the most human moments in the show
The fact that she's there but Rick, the co-anchor isn't, is especially effective.
@@chrism7395 There is an oblique mention of colleagues lost too where her voice breaks ever so slightly, which gives away Rick's fate. She absolutely killed that scene
Well she's probably been in one of Clark's special prisons for a year. God knows what she's seen in that time.
But you know it can't have been pleasant.
Clark's message is a definte nod to the Kubrick satire "Dr Strangelove (or how I learned to stop worrying and love the Bomb)"
I love it that Garibaldi’s code name is “Grumpy”!
we can guess who doc is, but who do you reckon is sneezy and sleepy? :P
_Would you have guessed it?_
Always loved the shot of the Agamemnon coming out of the fireball .
Yep. Even though I KNEW it survived (even the 1st time I saw it), it was "TOO" perfectly obscured (to imply the ship's destruction) that it always HAD to be a "bait & switch".
But despite that, as Brent said, it was the perfect Money Shot!
Awhile back, I posted it was remarkable how much the CGI improved over the course of the series. This was the episode I had in mind when I was thinking about that. The effects in the battle scene over Earth here were just so, so much better than what the series started with. And yes, those were the original effects shots, nothing's been added to in the years since.
And we might never fully grasp how much this show influenced the development and use of CGI. While CGI was used before, never to this extend. I think Kosh had the right words for it:
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
- Kosh Naranek (Babylon 5 Season 1, Episode 10 Believers)
Babylon 5 started the avalanche.
" Nobody gives a speech like Bruce Boxleitner" ......agreed, he is sure awesome .....but Andreas sure gives him a run for his money
I always like Dylan and Ivanova speaches best. "Only one Earth Captain has survived battle with the Minbari fleet. He is behind me, you are infront of me. If you value your lives be somewhere else." Or "...Trust Ivanova, trust yourself, anyone else shoot them."
I mean, while fantastic (and some of my favorites), those are less speeches than sayings of intent.@@charlesmaurer6214
My opinion on Gen. Lefcourt (I think that is how it is spelled), I think he was being "a professional" for lack of a better term. A few moments prior to his orders "they are targets to be destroyed," he shared that Sheridan was a student of his, and that he always admired him. But now, his student has taken up arms against the lawful government and he has been tasked with eliminating in battle.
Clark seemed to get lucky by having the military be in 2 functional camps. In the first camp, Lefcourt, the one first officer in the battle of Proxima, and I am assuming many more, did not believe that the military had the right to act independently or contrary to the will of the government. Otherwise they would be thugs with government equipment. In the second camp, the one captain from the battle of Proxima who had fired on civilian targets, I am assuming Sheridan's torturers, people who believed in Clark's new order. (sorry, I don't have names available)
If there were opprotunities to put the second camp on the camera as heroes, he would. But otherwise, he would have the first camp available to give the veneer of honor for Earthforce, while the second camp would be up to their elbows in innocent blood doing the job.
Great episode!
I do love this episode. I think one of the best parts is the ISN coming back as it should be.
I met Maggie Egan (Jane) at a convention, and she told us that she enjoyed the role as ISN anchor, and was very happy to be invited back for this episode.
65!
Be seeing you!
RIP Rick lol
Can't wait to see your guesses on 4x22 and your reaction to what actually happens 😛
The Channel 4 references always make me smile because I watched it on Channel 4 in the UK :)
Same here. Had to set up the VHS VCR to record it, and then wait for Mum & Dad to go up to bed before I could watch the latest episode. These last few episodes were just SO EXCITING! Even now, they're still pretty darned exciting. I guess that if this was being made now, Clarke's supporters would all be wearing 'M.E.G.A.' hats!
Dammit, decades later that ending still make me cry ...
Brent, the lady you asked about was Carolyn Seymour also in Face of the Enemy (Star Trek: The Next Generation) as Toreth. [that's one buzz for me].
Yes; Deathwalker was played by Sarah Douglas, who has her own extensive sci-fi resume. Both British women with similar looks, especially the sharp cheekbones they always look for when casting aliens.
One of the few times she didn't play a villian. Goes back to Conan the second movie also in the first Supergirl movie when Christopher Reeves was still THE superman. Great character actress in or out of makeup.
Toreth in "Face of the Enemy" is always the first Carolyn Seymour role I think of, but she's actually been in Trek four times so far! Two separate Romulans and a first contact participant in TNG, and once as a holonovel character in VOY.
[buzz!]
Probably the greatest payoff episode. It was expertly done. JMS set this up starting in Season 1 and he absolutely landed the finish. Awesome episode! Probably the best episode of the entire series with one exception that I cannot mention because it's in the fifth season. Masterful storytelling. I hope we will one day see other series and creators do even better than what JMS accomplished with Babylon 5.
Babylon 5 made me cry more than once. This was one of them.
There was one more, you'll know when.
Oh boy, is there ever.
Why was John apologizing? Because he was truly sorry. He, Delenn, and several others had developed relationships with Marcus over the years. And, even in the heat of battle, John was maintaining his humanity and compassion.
Top 5 episode of the entire show. Probably because there's at least 5 absolutely phenomenal episodes like Z'Ha'Dum, Into the Fire, The Long Twilight Struggle, Severed Dreams, that are just all completely amazing episodes that are also in the top 5 (top 10?) and not necessarily in any order. They're just the best episodes... So much set-up throughout the seasons, from season 1 with the death of President Santiago we've finally reached this amazing episode. We've finally beaten Clark, but how many of his minions are still out there? Marcus is on his deathbed trying to save Ivanova and I absolutely loved your reaction to that scene. And then we finally see our good ISN anchor, she's back, that other Clark propagandist is gone and our good one is back and alive. I honestly don't know how the discussion is gonna go on Monday cause there's basically nothing left to predict, right? (Wrong! There's a whole season left and 2 more episodes :D)
Also, War Without End, Comes the Inquisitor, The Rock Cried Out No Hiding Place, Sleeping in Light.
Anyone remember when Earth wondered why the Minbari surrendered?
@@lollol35 And the Sky full of Stars? Awesome episode.
Don't open that door guys! Be very careful! 26 years on I'm STILL arguing with myself to create a fully finalised Top Ten episodes of the entire series! It will become an obsession! Just back out of the room and close the door quietly! LOL!
@@SteveChiverton There is no wrong answer, only personal opinion. :)
@@PetrosmanI have seen B5 end to end 8 times now. There are so many good episodes. Worth seeing again and again. Other favorites of mine would be Born to the Purple. The Parlament of Dreams. Anything with Londo and G'Kar.😍
See, Avengers must have borrowed from this... no one ever talks about that!
No one also mentions how Dr. Strange could have simply portalled back to Earth in IW instead of relying on Iron Man to fly the ship. Or he could've created a Portal on Titan to bring in an army to fight Thanos instead of only pairing up, through sheer luck, with the Guardians.
The effects are just as they were in the 90s. The 'remaster' is just a clean up but there are no new VFX in them. Nobody ever thought back then they looked realistic, but nobody cared because they served the story so well and obeyed science in a way ships in shows with much bigger budgets never did.
The senator lady also played the Rommulan commander in the infection episode of TNG.
For me, this episode touched all the feels - but the biggest one was the loss of Marcus
The Senator looks like Deathwalker but she was the Romulan Commander in TNG’s Face of the Enemy and I think the alien scientist in First Contact (the episode, not the film).
I want to repeat that the effects are not remastered or upgraded. Those are the original effects from the show when it was first broadcast.
I definitely still got choked up…actually probably more so on this second watch thru.
the original ISN reporter coming back was a powerful symbol of the restoration of basic human rights, and one of the most underrated moments of the whole show. the democratic idealist in me never fails to weep at that moment.
This is basically the redemption of Marcus Cole.
Marcus did not need redemption.
@@kirishima638 He always felt guilty that his brother died because of him. But this time, he wouldn’t let someone else die.
Just two more episodes to go for Season 4. What a ride it has been. The ending to this is just sad and on some level something we never really saw during the conflict with the Shadows, and that is the tragedy of lives lost in terms of personal toll like the end of a beloved main cast character. I think the only loss incurred by the Shadows was the death of one Warren Keffer during the Season 2 finale, but that's it. Maybe you can count Sinclair and Sheridan, with the former kind of being sentenced to death due to the affect of time travel and the latter having been found dying, dead by Lorien. Ah well, we'll just have to wait and see what happens next episode to see the outcome of Marcus' actions.
But good Kosh...
Using the original ISN woman was a master stroke.
Because you remember what happened last time we saw her that seen gets a ton of weight to what would otherwise be celebratory.
Her dialogue gives me a lump in the throat every time. The only speech that hits me more is one you haven't seen yet from the first spin-off movie, but i'll let you get to that one yourself in due course.
(4:37) There is dehumanizing and then there is "dehumanizing". He declared, simply, that "they are targets to be destroyed, nothing more, nothing less". Cleanly stated and without hate. Now, if he'd called them "rebel scum", "vermin", or even "sub-human", there would have been clear animus and hatred. Sure he dehumanized but he did what a soldier must do and did not justify it with extra venom. Two cents.
Exactly. Lefcourt isn’t dehumanizing the enemy as much as he’s telling his troops to stay frosty if the want to get out of this alive.
It's also a necessary evil if you want the soldiers that can kill a person without going completely mental themselves, because for anyone who isn't a psychopath it's something that has lasting effects.
@@simongiles9749 I can't remember the documentary it was in, but apparently most soldiers in the US civil war didn't aim. It was something like only 2% of soldiers could bring themselves to knowingly kill a human being, the remainder fired vaguely in the direction of the enemy but hoped the bullets from other soldiers would do the job. So yeah, it is a part of modern military training that they try to get soldiers to not view the targets as people
The remastered stuff is all the TV VFX shots upscaled and refined to appear as good as the non VFX shots... so yes, the VFX are the same as what we saw on TV, but alot less blurry and restricted compared to the DVDs. The story kinda goes...
JMS was very future forward in how he did things... all the non vfx parts of Babylon 5 were shot in wide screen since he believed the at that time very rare brand new wide screen TVs and DVDs would catch on and become the norm for home entertainment (at the time we all still used square CRT TVs which were all 320x240 res). Unfortunately, all the VFX shots were rendered for the regular TV resolution and size but it was planned that at a latter date those shots would be re-rendered for the widescreen and DVDs and made to look alot better...
BUT... all the VFX shots were lost (i believe the warehouse that had all the computers that did them, had a fire) and as such all the VFX material was gone for good and the early DVDs used cropped TV VFXs meaning alot of those scenes were blurry had stuff missing from the bottom and top of those shots (i still have all the video taped episodes from broadcast and its really sad how much of those shots got cropped out and how blurry they on my DVDs from the early 00's)... its REALLY noticeable when its any VFX shot with actors comped in, on the DVDs. But modern computing power can fix that, just a pitty it cant fix the aspect ratio issues meaning theres still cropping which hurts the space scenes as it makes them all feel smaller and tighter than they looked on TV, which felt larger and more open, and grander.
Tje Senator was played by Varolyn Seymour who has also done a fair amount of voice acting invvideo games including the Locust queen in Gears of War and Dr Chakwas in the Mass Effect trilogy
Yeah, Brent Allen, the guy who was never in military or in battle talks about how to correctly mentally prepare for a fight to death. OK, Armchair General.
Exactly, what Lefcourt said there was absolutely the truth, in battle you cannot afford to hesitate or you are going to die because the enemy will not hesitate.
he learnt a lot from his brother Zac
Back in Season ones infection they first told us that a type of technology exists that let's people merge with technology and the healing device was a one off for me. When I first saw B5 I was like: yeah, first season bad. But upon a rewatch I saw how all the pieces where set in place. Still blows my mind. It's like watching a chess game of Magnus, you only see what he's doing in the analysis afterwards...
yes, the first season is better the second time around, which is not to say its faults no longer are apparent, but it means its strengths become highlighted in a way first time viewers would never appreciate them
@@hornorsilk2901 exactly! I was quoting Londos shoe scene for years, having forgotten it was season 1 material. Upon a rewatch after years I was unsure whether to watch S1. I'm glad I did, because I was like: "Wait, that's already in S1? And this too?? And my favourite quote as well! How could I forget that???"
Now we need a ranking of Endgame named episodes/movies in the recap discussion LOL
Could be fun
Yeah, I mean there a certain episode names that tend to crop up again and again across multiple shows.
@@Scimarad Aaron Sorkin (The West Wing, Studio 60 on the Sunset strip, The Newsroom etc.) usually had at least one ep in his various shows (often the last one of a series) entitled "What Kind of Day has it been?" There may be others, but that's the one that sticks with me.
Babylon 5 is THE BEST show for concluding story threads !!!
There is a space game called freespace 2 and fans of it, and Babylon 5 made a mod for that game. In it, they wrote backgrounds for ships, stations, weapons, and factions
In it, they wrote that once the Earth Defense Grid was rebuilt, safeguards were put in place to prevent the defense grid from being turned against Earth again.
As a Star Trek fan, I was surprised you didn’t recognize the great Carolyn Seymour (the one you thought was Deathwalker, btw that was Robin Curtis, Saavik, from Trek 3) Seymour played a Romulan in “Face of the Enemy” and a holographic countess in Voyager.
Robin Curtis was in B5, but she was not Deathwalker....Sarah Douglas was. She was one of the phantom zone Kryptonians in Superman and Superman 2...Ursa.
@@lorien42 d’oh you are correct 👍🏼
This episode produces tears for me every time.
The CGI wasn't redone for the remaster so the effects where as good back then as they where here.
That’s cool
A lot of fans has tried to do their own 'remaster' upgrade over the years. But I think they all missed something done particularly well by B5 and that later CGI from other shows follow. All fan works are usually more complex more detailed, but they are always too clean, too sharp. B5's effect always has a slight blurred around the edges, which lets the ships blend into the surrounding, like looking at things from a distance, they are never as clean as sharp. All the best CGI are never clean and sharp.
@@biocapsule7311 yeah it probably takes quite a bit of artistry to get things like that correct and the ones that does the homebrew remasters are probably talented with 3d modelling but not with the texturing so to speak. Heck even the ILM cgi from the Star Wars prequels had exactly this sharpness problem and they where no beginners so I guess that the B5 designers simply where OP.
And AFAIK all original models where lost so those homebrews had to be redone from the ground up.
The problem is that the CGI masters are gone. So, there is no chance to re-render them with a higher resolution and better textures.
@@Nikioko I think many of the original files were found. There's a YT channel that's been re rendering the original battle scenes and they look amazing.
Yes, Clark did the Adolf move.
The Shawshank move. ;)
If memory serves, B5 cost $600-800k per episode, TNG was 1.6M.
So for ONE season of Mando you could have had the Whole Series of B5 (110 eps) plus change or most of TNG - this including inflation. That puts into perspective what they managed to achieve with the money they had and the level of VFX at the time.
This is among my Five Favorite Episodes.
You misread Lefcourt, the EA commander at Mars. He reminds his crews that these are targets, "nothing more nothing less." Yes that means putting aside that these are former friends and allies. But it also means not viewing them as traitors or monsters that have to be eradicated. When people get passionate that's when you get war crimes .Or you get gross dereliction of duty like flying off with a much needed White Star minutes before a battle because your heart broken.
Yes, Clark made a deal to go into exile...with the Pak'mara. :D
He lived for the One and died for the One.
1 episode too soon. They ended the episode on a cliff hanger. Don't go dropping spoilers this close to the end.
@@zarabada6125I don’t think that ending was ambiguous in the slightest. Marcus was clearly making a conscious choice to sacrifice himself for Ivanova. The voice over clearly says, “For one to live, another must die.” It is not a cliffhanger.
@@zarabada6125 Do you really think that Franklin will make it in time to Babylon 5 to stop Marcus in the next episode?
They end the episode with both characters still alive. As much as you believe a certain outcome is obvious, why ignore Brent's request and remove that final element of doubt?
Perhaps it is a case of, "Look how clever I am with my amazing comment"?
It could just as easily have been posted next week.
Umm. My comment pertained to the suggested outcome of the episode. In fact, I did not spoil anything. I'd actually suggest you are more guilty of an infraction than I am.
With the overlay it always looks like they are shooting at B5.
The shooting parts weren't so bad. Those had illumination. But when these shuttles from Mars kept flying up to B5, my brain got proper confused.
Yeah, Marcus did abandon his post. But he knew Lennier was capable of captaining the ship. And from memory, Marcus took a shuttle back to B5, not a White Star.
He took a white star, you see it leave. He had a shuttle prepped so he could go get Ivanova and bring her to another white star
@@bluntman1138 Ivanova was already sent to B5 in the beginning of the episode.
Had to get Lennier to Delenn and off that ship.
The shuttle was for Lennier to get him off the ship with made-up request to report to Delenn.
Shuttles are slow, short range transports between local destinations. They don't have jump engines. So I don't know why you'd think he took one of those, when It shows a white star leave from the fleet?
To be fair, it was days from B5 to earth through hyperspace on a white star, when they came to destroy that shadow vessel on the jupiter moon. It doesn't take nearly as long for a message to get there(in fact since there was no lag when they talked to anyone from earth on their comms on B5 the messages should travel near instantaneously), so by the time the took care of Earth, they could freely send messages back and forth, making sure that Marcus never gets to the machine. Time wise, he could not have gotten there in at most a few hours it took for that conflict to resolve.
6:14 Said someone who has never been in battle. In a battle, its not the difference between Good and Evil, its the difference between alive and dead, and those that are trained to kill will be alive.
This may not be the proper platform to leave this comment, but here goes. Playing violent video games, where the player is the first-person shooter, dehumanizes reality and desensitizes the player to the violence they are viewing. I know that there are many factors besides this, but this is what contributes to mass shooting situations. When the shooter in real life, can reduce the violence and loss of life to just playing another video game, it becomes just an object to accomplish. The devaluation of human life and how precious it is, is the result. Again, this doesn't happen in all cases. But if a person is already mentally unstable and either goes off their medication, or has a reaction to their medication, the video games can become a factor to push them over the edge.
Next 2 are great also . Enjoy
The actress who plays the Earth senator also appeared in Star Trek playing a Romulan officer, but I don't know which episodes she was in.
Contagion and Face of the Enemy. She was also the warp field scientist in the episode First Contact.
Clark went out like Hitler...
Scorched Earth
And Warden Norton.
This was all Commodore Amiga farm graphics.
the graphics was made on a Amiga too
Man, it sure is dusty in the room after this one
Longitude is long? What has that got to do with vertical?
Latitude is akin too lateral, to the side or at a hierarchical similar level.
Gonna make a prediction, this won't be a no comment episode of the 'cast :P
Damm it! - I was confident this would be the time....
I was all good even knowing what was coming right until Marcus said it..... then it happened, like it always does every time I watch this episode. 😭
On the difference in approach between Sheridan and the Commander over Mars....That's why we codified the Laws of War in 1956 -- something far too many people today either don't know or don't care about.
Also -- While I could comment further......Spoilers....
Lat = Flat is how I always remember it, it rhymes and is easier. :P
damnit jeff, why you have to mention the machine last podcast
this is like the 5th time Brent wouldn't have seen something coming
5th? 😂
@@Markus117d ye jeff kinda spoiled valen reveal, anna reveal, i think a couple of others too
Nice thumbnail 🙂👍
I tried
"Brings me Jadzia Dax feelings"
Well Paramount held the script for B5 for a year and didn´t even want to give it back at first...even if they didn´t want to make B5...hmmmmm
Paramount didn't plan to kill Jadzia Dax. Terry Farrell did with her decision to leave the show. Then she was replaced with discount Dax. Let's keep that in mind.
@@Nikioko It was the showrunners' decision to kill Jadzia. Terry Farrell was willing to make guest appearances. She just didn't want to be full time anymore.
@@josephbrown6906 Yet it was a reaction to Farrell's decision and not part of the original plan.
@@josephbrown6906This has all happened before...
You have no idea how hard it is to hold one's words when you guys are so close yet so far. This time I was shocked at the predictions even the call back to the healing machine. When they did Michael they had more than one donor. Marcus just traded his life for hers. For me this was the peek of the show. 3 years built up for this season and this was the climax. Brent, I think is really caught on finally his begining, middle and end is in this series but not in a given show. The begining is over the middle ends and now the end. I can't think of another show who equaled the epic scale of Babylon 5. Game of Thrones likely comes closest, (too vulgar and too much fantasy for my taste). Also the first TV show to fully depend on CGI for the space shots. It was around this show that George Lucas finally felt CGI had come along enough to revisit Star Wars and Phantom Menance. Also caused DS9 to shift from models and ST Generation's choice to destroy the D. Models like the D didn't transition well as it was easier to start over than to try matching the shading and aztecing. Notice the Defiant and Voyager lacked the multitone paint and legacy ships were rarely used at high detail and even the A shifted tone to a milky white that was more uniform than prior films. This series was a decade ahead in more ways than one. Once you wrap up while your doing the movies, I think it would be good to explore some of the behind the scene specials. It is amazing how much they fit on one sound stage and adapted sets to make so many different places. Sure Star Trek redressed sets but a bridge stayed a Bidge and a hallway a hallway. JMS had stuff that could be reconfigured more like a broadway stage and redress touches that was planned that took seconds rather than days. Change one emblem another ship, Change a color strip another sector. Turn the walls an office becomes a Council chamber. Bet you would enjoy the outtakes too but less a thing for comment. Have a great day and enjoy the rest of the story.
With Garibaldi, I also thought that they were just healing him enough so that his own processes could take back over. They didn't heal him entirely, just brought him to a point where his body could bring itself out of the coma
There are things as soldiers you have to put aside in order to do the things you have to. You have to bury your humanity deep and hope you can find it afterwards. “Ronald Spiers: The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function: without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it.” unfortunately as a soldier you often have to do something like this to function. This doesn't mean being cold blooded killers but it means you have to do what you need to do. Sheridan may have been looking to spare the most lives in order to achieve victory he was willing to order people to die as well as to take lives.
Yup. Focus on the tank you have to kill.
Because if you hesitate and the enemy doesn't you are more likely to lose.
Since the kind of things like the Christmas truce of ww1 have not happened since, the greedy apes in charge on all sides have taken that lesson to the heart.
*65 Lefcourt = I like the fact that he's not a 1-dimensional bad guy, like the last commander that Sheridan fought. And his saving the Agamemnon at the end drives home the idea (that he **learned**) that everyone here was fighting FOR Earth. Also, Lefcourt would have noticed that Sheridan took great pains to *not* kill his opponents - which could have gone a long way in changing Lefcourt's mind about Sheridan.
P.S. I saw Lefcourt's dehumanization of Sheridan's troops as an emotional balm for his own troops over the guilt of killing those they used to called "friend".
war should always be ugly and disturbing - otherwise in becomes easy
There should be no war, period. And if there is a war, it should be fought by the rules, with minimum bloodshed. Of course, it never goes that way. A war IS always ugly and disturbing, and when we speak about a war, we should always keep in mind how ugly and disturbing it is, and not shy away from all the deaths and suffering and all the gory details.
@@MarvinNoFun I agree there should be no war - that is why war should be ugly and disturbing - so people do everything possible to avoid war.
Agreed. When war becomes just a videograme -- run for the hills.
@@MarvinNoFun Hmmm. Wasn't there a TOS episode that examined exactly this? I seem to remember Captain Kirk and crew putting a big spanner in the nice, clean, by-the-rules computerised war that they and the Enterprise stumbled into! (Bzzzzzzz!)
@TheFireMonkey, well, wars are ugly and disturbing, and people know it. It doesn't stop them from waging wars, though.
Remember: when the scripts were written the assumption was all of them are leaving the show… :-)
Not if that life is trying to take yours..
There is no "ramming speed" ... you ram something regardless of the speed.
True, But there's no point raming something after it's fired Or going so slowly the target can just escape.. lol
Saying ramming speed heavly implies full power going flat out..
@@Markus117dI always assumed that a ramming speed order is not just a flank speed/ all power to engines, but also an order to remove the engine's safeties and limiters.
@@Markus117dPedal to the metal, Commander!
Yeah, it's the target, never the people inside it. Ex tanker.
Imagine JMS writing political speeches
Could be good or bad, too many of his speaches or ID4 Whitmore type speaches would be dangerous with the wrong leader. Couple of the best speaches were given by two leaders at the same time once. One good one bad though only one in English you can compare the effects of the speaches of Churchill and Hitler in WWII. Something JMS hinted at with Michael's overreactions to John leading to his Judus moment.
Problem is this was intended to be end of season 5 but the studio threatened to pull the final season so everything got reworked into season 4 then they said yes you can have another season, but story arc was all over the place
Nope, this would have been about a third of season 5, not the end
Plus the studio didn't threaten to pull the final season. The Prime Time Entertainment Network (PTEN) was no more so the lost their distribution and we're pretty much cancelled along with the Network, but TNT came in to take on the show and thus saved it for the final season.
6:00 ... and this is why using DRONES (in any case) and BOMBERS (vs. "peasants with guns"/a wedding party) is WRONG ... but hey, "national security" or some other garbage slogan makes it alright.
Gundam Wing nailed it back in like 1995:
Treize Khushrenada:
"Tradition is a history; it's the history of caring built by deep, true feelings of people. I do think that fighting in battles can indeed at times be beautiful, but at the same time I'd like to express my regret over the lost souls by appealing to you to recognize how priceless man's life is. I believe what mankind needs is not absolute victory, but a certain demeanor in fighting, an attitude toward fighting. I fear that the era of the soulless weapons called mobile dolls- in other words, the era the Romefeller Foundation is creating- may become an embarrassment to the people of the future. I used to think that the ideals of the people in the space colonies, such as their highly praised pacifism, were just pitiful complaints borne in and of their own ignorance of tradition.
"New warriors were born that surpassed even my ideals: The Gundam pilots.
"Tradition appears blurred along side their true feelings. From a historical point of view, warriors who have lost what they were protecting, and were further betrayed by those they were protecting, are losers. But they do not recognize themselves as such. Not only that, but they retain a strong will to keep fighting.
"The emotions of those who are thought beautiful are always full of sorrow, and honored tradition disappears in the cry of the weak. Winners of a battle will eventually decline in power, and become losers, and then those losers will cultivate a new leader."
I'd guess the drones are more to do with a) cost - a drone is a lot cheaper than a multi-multi-million dollar aircraft with highly trained flight crew, and b) the lives of "our" people . . . These issues are only going to get even more murky and difficult to navigate once A.I. starts getting involved - both in the design of the weapons and, ultimately, in their deployment. We all know it's coming.
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Your pontificating about the value of life is not conductive with the ongoing Ukraine, Israeli, Yemen wars... You can hardly speak about valuing life EVEN IN WAR if you support ongoing war.
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