😂😂 how did you actually buy the booklet in those days? I’ve seen some comments that you had to sent a letter to the BBC or something like that. I was born in 2002 so I’d have no idea.
@@evanslater4551 It must've been like that yes, I think everything was. You could order stuff even then but had to tick it off in a catalog and send it off with some form of payment.
😂😂😂 I have the booklet. I found it at a car boot sale. Nothing in it about cooking vegetables or roast potatoes or gravy. If I remember you had to send a postal order for 50p to a BBC post box address to get it.
It's worth pointing out that a lot of the anger directed towards Fanny Craddock came because her suggestions turned out to be a disaster on the day. She may well have got away with all if they had worked, but because they were such a spectacular failure, the public felt that not only had she belittled Gwen Troake, she had also been completely wrong. It gave the impression that Fanny had tried to make all about herself, and failed spectacularly. I suspect that had a lot to do with why the BBC subsequently dropped her. Her cooking suggestions had very publicly appeared to be a disaster, leaving her looking very discredited.
The difference between now and the 1970s is that, in those days, the viewing public were shocked by rudeness. These days they expect it - and enjoy it.
Yes but Ramsay shouts at people who are in the business. What was awful here was that she was slagging off and being rude to a very quiet and shy housewife who had done very well at something
Wish they'd repeat Fanny's cookery show on BBC2.. the black and white ones even, I always watch her Christmas episodes here every Xmas, she was fascinating
She was horrifically rude and condescending to Gwen Troake and thoroughly deserved to have her BBC career very swiftly ended and thankfully was very rarely seen or ever heard of again.
What makes it so bad is that poor Gwen was a housewife who won a contest and was supposed to be having her little moment,then Fanny comes on and instead of being nice and complementary she tears her down and keeps telling her"You're among professionals now." : Not the point.That poor lady looked crushed and embarrassed.Rotten thing to do.
@@BobbiElmanND If narcissists didn't go on television, there'd be few people on it at all. Sorry you find her dull or whatever. I wish she could have been kinder to the young woman, and I'm not defending that. I'm just saying she was interesting to me. Fair enough if you have another opinion.
I think the fake gagging at the mention of Pasties is where she went wrong - attacking English taste and traditions in food - she wasn’t really horrible to Mrs. Troakes personally. And when she insinuated that “nothing came from England- Yorkshire Pudding came from Burgundy” she lost the public…
Fanny always had to show off her knowledge of French cuisine in a manner that belittled people. It was almost as if to say "I know about French dishes so therefore I know what I'm talking about and you don't"
The little "as is done in France" she adds about the cheese salad dish is not only belittling Gwen but the audience because they likely did not know that either. So it is automatically putting the audience on Gwen's side if they thought her dessert sounded good (which most of them likely did). There are so many little digs here that are playing so, so badly towards the audience. I 100% understand why this was the end of her career and this is my first time ever hearing Cradock
I didn't see this at the time, but I remember the letters of complaint in the Radio Times. As another reviewer has said, Cradock's comments make sense but she should have delivered them more diplomatically.
When i was a child i used to hide behind the sofa while my family watched this lady's cookery programme. She was scary! However she was knowledgeable. Looking back it is crazy that this interview finished her career. Ramsay et al make them break down.
Positively tame by today's standards of critisism (think Gordon Ramsey) but at the time, and I remember watching it, it came across as harsh and sniping. What Fanny said was pretty much on the mark because I felt sick just hearing the proposed menu. I think the V industry used this as a way to finally cut their aprons strings from Fanny. She served them pretty well over the years and it was pretty shabby treatment in my opinion. Yes, she could be arrogant, condescending and haughty and at times almost toe curling but she knew her stuff and much like Delia Smith who followed her, she taught a generation how to cook. I only have to think of my own mother's cooking to see the influences - particularly the occasional over use of a piping bag!!
She was disgustingly rude and treated that lady appallingly and wasn't a professional chef herself she was a pretentious snob. And name dropper Escoffier my arse. Her name wasn't even craddock through marriage because she was a bigamist and had to use deed poll to use craddocks name stop bloody defending the nasty old crone
I don't think she was rude. I think the other lady's ego got caught up in her 15 miniutes of fame - forgetting she's a farmer's housewife who won a contest.
She reminds me of Mrs. Bucket off Keeping up appearances. She talks to the Chef with respect then criticises Gwen with whatever comes out of her mouth, lol.
Fanny's suggestions are all very sensible. I don't understand why it was such a shocker at the time. When you have rich foods, you alternate with something light (and perhaps tangy). Then you'll have a chance of rising up after the meal, rather than a food coma...
I think it was because although her suggestions made sense, the timings and execution of certain courses went wrong when the meal was being prepared and the whole thing was a disaster. Craddock then got the blame because the impression was that if she had let the woman cook her intended menu all along then it might have gone to plan. The BBC got rid of her shortly afterwards but maybe change was afoot anyway and it was just a quick way of clearing the decks.
@@sallieceelee5660Or maybe try and deliver your expertise in a way that is less damn rude. Not complex. And the difference with Hell’s Kitchen etc, is that the contestants know the format well in advance.
My ex, who was a chef, went along to a couple of her demonstrations in the 60's, both times she burned the food and tried to blame her assistant, not a nice person
That's right. Usually when this stuff is shown, it's usually edited very selectively to make Fanny appear more of an old-bag than she way. I've seen the full programme as the stuff with Fanny is *only* about how the woman's dishes integrate into a full menu. Fanny starts off by saying "it's delicious". Her reservations, which sound right to me, were that the menu was too rich.
Exactly she said it's delicious food & fine to have at home if that's what you like. But to serve several rich heavy dishes on a menu when entertaining guests is too much there needs to be balance unless you want everyone to be sick
Honestly I love Fanny.😂 I think she may have been “too much” for people, especially the reserved British, in the 20th century. It seems that she genuinely wanted to educate people about food pairings and the ‘why’ behind cooking. I’ve been learning a lot from watching her old reels and feel like she’s upped my cooking game quite a bit with little tips and tricks. She really was quite the genius in the kitchen….plus I’m a loud Leo so I very much appreciate her larger than life personna💐
Thanks! First time I've ever seen her- I used to listen to "Round the Horne" doing "Fanny Haddock" back in my youth, with no idea that they were parodying a real woman. Now I can see why.
Ah, poor old Mrs Cradock, bless her cotton socks. To this day, I still follow her recipe for doughnuts and I am proud to say that all of the doughnuts I make look just like Fanny's.
You're right- the spun sugar Fanny suggests proved nigh on impossible to sustain in a hot kitchen/function room. I think that was a mistake on her part- she's right about the overall menu being too rich, but everyone conceded that the dessert was delicious. Fanny was right, but her insistance to majorly change the menu was a mistake- she would have probably saved her career if she merely suggested ways to lighten up the menu, rather than discard an important part of it in favour of her choice.
She wasn’t nor isn’t rude at all! She’s a critic, it’s her job or was. Sadly on those days she was considered as rude because people couldn’t handle her harsh truth. Like history reversed because in todays era people can’t handle honesty and politeness because it’s considered once again as rude. I love adore her adulation skills. She’s a pro in what she did👌🏼…. A perfectionist…. All love and respect for this lady.
She was rude as hell. There would have been a million ways to make her point more tactfully. She was also incapable as a mother and broke the law with her bigamous marriages. But by all means go on defending the old bag if you want
Can't help feeling what she was advising was factually correct - but she had absolutely no sensitivity, was belittling, condescending and didn't have an empathic bone in her body. Her arrogance blinded her to the cliff she was stumbling towards...
I remember watching the whole thing. It wasn't so much the interview but the dessert she 'designed', fiddly & contrived. The cooks couldn't handle her sugar lattice 'sails' for the 50+ (100?) guests, and they were a mess. Chef de cuisine should have known. The feeling was she'd ruined this lady's one night in the spotlight. She wrote apologising to her. 2 weeks later the BBC dropped her. May have been just changing times, anyway.
I see absolutely see nothing wrong with Fanny. Her is advice genuine and she even says to Gwen I am trying to take care of you. That other critics will come after you with knives my sweet. I also agree with Fanny. You want something to clear the palette before the next course
No, but I'm old enough to remember Betty Marsden's hilarious Fanny Haddock on "Round The Horne", and Benny Hill's fabulous impersonation of her in the days when he was still funny and original! She'd be going into the jungle on "I'm a Celebrity" now, wouldn't she?
I read how outraged many were at Fanny for this, but honestly I believe she was raising the quality of the cooks menu, in hoping to make a better showing for her, instead of a sabotage. it is that the cook was not to that party to execute the level Fanny had hoped to get her to achieve in winning over her judges. I do not think it was malicious, but done to better the cooks menu. she made faces as in her being over dramatic for maybe comic reasons as to how she felt. but to ruin Fanny for this, totally uncalled for.
Her name wasn't even Fanny Cradock, it was Phyllis Pechey! She appeared on the famous chat show 'Parkinson' once and Danny La Rue was also a guest on the show. when she realized Danny was a female impersonator, she stormed off the set of the 'Parkinson' show! The best cookery show on the BBC, was 'Two Fat Ladies', you didn't have to even like cooking, to love that programme. Least Jennifer Paterson and Clarissa Dickson-Wright had the good manners to be polite to the people they met.
I agree with you re 'Two fat ladies' that was hilarious. I bought the dvd set, not for the 'receipts' but for the enjoyment and hilarious antics of these two wonderful women; sadly their likes will never be seen again - well at least I can watch them when ever I want and I find it the best way to cheer me!
Her surname *was* legally and officially Cradock, as she changed it by deed poll. But you're right about her first name. I think she got the Fanny from her second name "Nan"
You got the Parkinson show anecdote a bit confused. What actually happened was Danny La Rue realised Fanny was not a female impersonator, and HE stormed off!
@@mfjdv2020 Fanny's first name was Phyllis so Fanny was just a more frivolous version of that. She chose it for herself so she must have liked it - the name Fanny Cradock was certainly memorable, and much satirised by comedians, in this clip it's the wonderful Benny Hill giving us his Fanny.
Seafood Cocktail. As 1970s as Avocado Bathroom Suites. Coffee and rum pudding sounds gorgeous. Didn't Gwen have a book of her recipes published the following year, so she had the last laugh.
well in the year 2020 I got here having watched a repeat of Top of The Pops from 1989 where Gary Davis mentioned that Sheena Eastern had had a make over since The Big Time....
Simple solution , after the duck serve the grape sorbet (lemon would be too acidic and lingers on the palate too long) then a short time after the rum cream dessert.
If you like this, watch ''Fear of Fanny''. It's just over an hour long and tells the story of the kind of woman she really was..........a smiling assassin wno was a control freak. It's here on youtube. A fantastic performance by the actress who plays her.
Like you really knew the real women and believe a ratings inducing drama that the BBC puts out of their by the numbers assembly line. I think she lead a healthy and more balanced life then a non entity keyboard warrior hurling abuse at dead public figures.
I think she's great here, really insightful on how to create a well-composed, well-thought out menu Sure you can just throw all your favourite dishes together if you're a casual cook but she's right, if you want to be a professional you need to think about your guests and your menu
Yes but it was the arrogant and condescending manner in how she went about it. The stupid face pulling and all of her suggestions were a spectacular disaster on the actual night. Thus, the BBC dropped her and rightly so
I just learned about this incident by accident while reading about the discovery of Sheena Easton on the same show. I immediately went to find the footage and at first I didn't think it was that bad. But it kept getting worse. And worse. And worse. I'm really glad she stood up for her dish though and from my understanding the dish recipe went on to become quite famous and was published in a cookbook.
I don't think Fanny acted with malice. She was blunt and gave her opinion, certainly not sugar coating it as much as her Christmas mince meat omelettes. Fanny was from a different time, by 1977 food had changed, dining had changed. Much like Julia in the US, she was kept on as a Beloved dinosaur. People watched to learn technique, not to learn to make neon green potatoes (Cradock) or Chicken Marengo (Julia). They were institutions. To Fanny, this woman's best hope rested on camp treatment of food, naval interpretations of sorbet with sugar cages and coffee stirrer masts, rather than good old simple treatments.She was trying to do Escoffier and Peach melba between the wings of an ice cupid, instead of letting a housewife do her thing. Sad that this faux pas was part of her legacy.
The face pulling. The puckering. The hands on the head. This was Fannie at her patronizing worst. Part of the problem - and you can see it in this clip - was time was passing her by. By this point, she was flogging recipes 20 years out of date. She thought Chinese restaurants were a fad that wouldn't last. There were literally 1,000's of complaints after this show. 2 weeks later her BBC contract was cancelled and she never presented another TV show again.
What I'd like to see, if it was filmed, was the serving of the pudding Franny Cradock suggested. That is what reportedly ruined Gwen Troake's chance to shine, besides Cradock's obvious snobbery ("professional" versus "housewife", you might say).
Are you looking for the Fear Of Fanny version? If that's what you mean, the whole thing is available to watch in my account. Part 8 has Fanny's meeting with Gwen.
Sorry to state the obvious but you cannot compare what is acceptable now compared with 35-40 years ago. Do think! Gordon Ramsay would have been severely reprimanded if he was around back in '76!
No you were almost there - Fanny Haddock was Benny Hill - Betty Marsden gave us the wonderful Daphne Whitethigh in Round the Horne. Both were marvellous.
This whole incident/episode ended her television career. The BBC terminated contract 2 weeks after this episode following massive backlash from the public about how badly she treated Gwen Troake. She wrote a letter of apology but never presented a television programme again.
We like what we like. Gwen was kind and humble.....Fanny was absolutely RANCID to this lady, and I'm so glad she lost her 'pontificate'...Bring on Dame Delia....❤
I originally thought that - in retrospect from my memories as a kid - she wasn't too bad - but check out at 5.20 onwards - she gets very patronising indeed !
@jonnj1975 The sorbet bowls were for the coffee pudding. Fanny wanted them to make edible pastry "boat' sorbet bowls to put a lighter dessert into. Reportedly, Gwen allowed Fanny to use her idea for the sweet course and the dinner party was a notorious disaster.
According to yesterday's Daily Mail newspaper, Gwen Troake was the grandmother of murder victim, Joanna Yeates, who was found dead, in Bristol on Christmas Day.
Nope, it was Betty Marsden in Beyond Our Ken. Look her up on Wikipedia. She also gave us Dame Celia Molestrangler and Buttercup Gruntfuttock. Daphne Whitethigh was inspired by Katherine Whitehorn, of course, who is still "agony aunt" for the elderly in Saga magazine!
I haven't seen this for years and I remember it looking extremely bad for Fanny Craddock, looking at it now what she is saying is correct. Gwen was going to be cooking for people who had very high expectations, And in comparison the attitude of some celebrities now-a-days I wonder what all the fuss was about.
0:25 and later. What's rude and condescending here? A professional piece of advice, put in a very polite, clear way. (The fact that Fanny was wrong about the spun sugar is another topic.)
Yes how times change, with her wit and experience it would be a ratings winner for sure. But having said that did you ever see her omelet and xmas mince recipe..eeeewwww :s
In another episode & the other side of the coin was a comedian got a guest spot on Seaside Special & got complimentary advice from Morecambe & Wise & Arthur Askey who joked he could use some of the guys gags.
I think Gwen Troake died only a couple of years after this. Also for some reason when I was a little boy I actually thought that Fanny was a man dressed as a woman.
It wasn't, it was a total flop. The kitchen was too hot the sorbet wasn't stable and the spun sugar kept collapsing. One of the diners, a food critic commented that the origianl coffee dessert would have been far better in both taste and fitting for to occasion.
tbh i think fanny was trying to help.... she'd always been well known for her manner so this was to be expected i think. at the end of the day she didnt say anything wrong, she gave her professional opinion. it's just over the top to complain about this, let alone sack our fanny!
They were not ready for her then, just as they were not ready for Lewis Collins back then as Bond. But now look at Daniel Craig - he is definitely taking Bond to Lewis Collins so my 2 cents will be if she was in today's world, Fanny will definitely be numero uno
Fanny isnt a professional, shes a home cook, just like Delia Smith, Nigella Lawson, to name a few, they are HOME COOKS. I have learnt nothing from either of them
In the 1950s-1970s, strong women were seen as a threat. Even today Martha Stewart is bashed for being too demanding. On the other hand, mean and foul mouthed Gordon Ramsey just gets more popular. The double standard is alive and well.
In case you’re wondering how to be as rude as her. She won’t explain it to you as you can find it all in her booklet.
It was always in the booklet 😂😂
😂😂 how did you actually buy the booklet in those days? I’ve seen some comments that you had to sent a letter to the BBC or something like that. I was born in 2002 so I’d have no idea.
@@evanslater4551 It must've been like that yes, I think everything was. You could order stuff even then but had to tick it off in a catalog and send it off with some form of payment.
😂😂😂 I have the booklet. I found it at a car boot sale. Nothing in it about cooking vegetables or roast potatoes or gravy. If I remember you had to send a postal order for 50p to a BBC post box address to get it.
@@stephenguppy8886 wow only 50p?? Wonder how much it would be these days
I remember this on broadcast. My immediate thought was that she'd basically finished her career, and so she had.
It's worth pointing out that a lot of the anger directed towards Fanny Craddock came because her suggestions turned out to be a disaster on the day. She may well have got away with all if they had worked, but because they were such a spectacular failure, the public felt that not only had she belittled Gwen Troake, she had also been completely wrong. It gave the impression that Fanny had tried to make all about herself, and failed spectacularly. I suspect that had a lot to do with why the BBC subsequently dropped her. Her cooking suggestions had very publicly appeared to be a disaster, leaving her looking very discredited.
Didn’t the sorbet melt and the spun sugar come out in clumps?
@@giovannirastrelli9821 LOL! I wish we had the video!! What a mess!
@Pangur Ban I can't believe that is not no tape! Dang it!
@@pangurban5162 Edward Heath is right bloody bastard for saying that!
He just had a personal grudge against Fanny!
I like the way the lady (gwen) stands her ground. Poor thing must have been quite terrified of Fanny
Well all her freinds love her coffee pudding even if its too sickly after the rich duck
The rum is quite nautical
Never be afraid of Fanny
@@thedoctor693 lol the biopic with my idol Julia Davis is called Fear of Fanny
Why does she refer to what the French would do, were in Britain
The difference between now and the 1970s is that, in those days, the viewing public were shocked by rudeness. These days they expect it - and enjoy it.
Isn’t that the truth!!
this was the 80s
second thoughts - perhaps it was the 70s - confusing myself
@@eddisstreet Shocked - have I been watching You Tube for 12 years?
@@eddisstreet This episode was originally broadcast on 11 November 1976. The episode was called "Gwen Troake's Banquet".
Yes but Ramsay shouts at people who are in the business. What was awful here was that she was slagging off and being rude to a very quiet and shy housewife who had done very well at something
Ramsey reads a script
Gwen Troake is still alive and living in Devon at 97 years old!
Gwen said Fanny was a lovely lady and she has fond memories of that day's filming.
Didn’t her granddaughter get murdered in 2011 by her neighbor and everyone blamed the landlord just because he “looked funny?”
@@giovannirastrelli9821 Yes, I remember something about that
Does anyone know the story?
@@JohnSmith-su3ze Look up “Vincent Tabak.”
Absolute nonsense! Gwen Troake died only a year after the programme was made, in 1977/8
@giovannirastrelli9yes her grand daughter Joanna Yeates was murdered in 2011.
Probably not enough icing sugar in the menu for Fanny's tastes.
Or food coloured chicken
If only the presenter (Esther Ransen) had put as much effort bringing down her "friend" Jimmy Saville as she did in bringing down Fanny Craddock
Hester Rancid?
Too true!
And she is the founder of Childline.......very strange.
@@blindpink Childline was founded to protect certain individuals more than to protect children.
@@blindpink . Damage Control?
Wish they'd repeat Fanny's cookery show on BBC2.. the black and white ones even, I always watch her Christmas episodes here every Xmas, she was fascinating
Good grief, she's so polite compared with just about everyone on TV these days!
She was really ahead of her time and it was not acceptable or perceived well by the viewers.
There is a sadness to the fact she had no idea her career was about to come crashing down because of this encounter
How?
So true. All along her journey, she was incredibly insecure.
She was horrifically rude and condescending to Gwen Troake and thoroughly deserved to have her BBC career very swiftly ended and thankfully was very rarely seen or ever heard of again.
Good! She was throughly VILE...
Lol I know she was very abrasive, direct and a bit rude. But it’s just sad seeing someone digging their own grave in front of your eyes 😂
What makes it so bad is that poor Gwen was a housewife who won a contest and was supposed to be having her little moment,then Fanny comes on and instead of being nice and complementary she tears her down and keeps telling her"You're among professionals now." : Not the point.That poor lady looked crushed and embarrassed.Rotten thing to do.
Fanny was way ahead of her time. With todays humiliation based reality TV she would surely be a hit
I see your point, but I don't think she meant to offend, whereas much of the insult tv we see today is a manipulation to keep people watching.
@@Ranchorita you are kidding right ? I’m old enough to see her various media videos/ newspaper articles .. she was a pretentious narcissist. End of
@@BobbiElmanND If narcissists didn't go on television, there'd be few people on it at all. Sorry you find her dull or whatever. I wish she could have been kinder to the young woman, and I'm not defending that. I'm just saying she was interesting to me. Fair enough if you have another opinion.
Agreed!
I think the fake gagging at the mention of Pasties is where she went wrong - attacking English taste and traditions in food - she wasn’t really horrible to Mrs. Troakes personally. And when she insinuated that “nothing came from England- Yorkshire Pudding came from Burgundy” she lost the public…
Fanny always had to show off her knowledge of French cuisine in a manner that belittled people. It was almost as if to say "I know about French dishes so therefore I know what I'm talking about and you don't"
The little "as is done in France" she adds about the cheese salad dish is not only belittling Gwen but the audience because they likely did not know that either. So it is automatically putting the audience on Gwen's side if they thought her dessert sounded good (which most of them likely did). There are so many little digs here that are playing so, so badly towards the audience. I 100% understand why this was the end of her career and this is my first time ever hearing Cradock
Prawn cocktail, duck and coffee cream sounds alright to me 😂
Maybe so, if your name's Abigail and your mum Beverley is having a soirée with the neighbours Sue and Ange!
I didn't see this at the time, but I remember the letters of complaint in the Radio Times. As another reviewer has said, Cradock's comments make sense but she should have delivered them more diplomatically.
When i was a child i used to hide behind the sofa while my family watched this lady's cookery programme. She was scary! However she was knowledgeable. Looking back it is crazy that this interview finished her career. Ramsay et al make them break down.
Fanny didn't do herself any favours,pulling faces when someone is talking is the height of rudeness,great telly though!
Positively tame by today's standards of critisism (think Gordon Ramsey) but at the time, and I remember watching it, it came across as harsh and sniping. What Fanny said was pretty much on the mark because I felt sick just hearing the proposed menu. I think the V industry used this as a way to finally cut their aprons strings from Fanny. She served them pretty well over the years and it was pretty shabby treatment in my opinion. Yes, she could be arrogant, condescending and haughty and at times almost toe curling but she knew her stuff and much like Delia Smith who followed her, she taught a generation how to cook. I only have to think of my own mother's cooking to see the influences - particularly the occasional over use of a piping bag!!
Paul S but all her freinds love her coffee cake
She was disgustingly rude and treated that lady appallingly and wasn't a professional chef herself she was a pretentious snob. And name dropper Escoffier my arse. Her name wasn't even craddock through marriage because she was a bigamist and had to use deed poll to use craddocks name stop bloody defending the nasty old crone
I don’t know, somehow I feel someone shouting profanity in my face is better than the faces she pulled and the passive aggressive shade
I don't think she was rude. I think the other lady's ego got caught up in her 15 miniutes of fame - forgetting she's a farmer's housewife who won a contest.
THANK YOU for posting all of these -- it was absolutely fascinating!
She reminds me of Mrs. Bucket off Keeping up appearances. She talks to the Chef with respect then criticises Gwen with whatever comes out of her mouth, lol.
Cuffy Bigglesworth criticises Gwen? Who is Gwen?
@@handsoffmycactus2958 gwen roake shes the daft cow that fanny cradock is talking to in the video
Fanny's suggestions are all very sensible. I don't understand why it was such a shocker at the time. When you have rich foods, you alternate with something light (and perhaps tangy). Then you'll have a chance of rising up after the meal, rather than a food coma...
I think it was because although her suggestions made sense, the timings and execution of certain courses went wrong when the meal was being prepared and the whole thing was a disaster. Craddock then got the blame because the impression was that if she had let the woman cook her intended menu all along then it might have gone to plan. The BBC got rid of her shortly afterwards but maybe change was afoot anyway and it was just a quick way of clearing the decks.
@@stephenmcconnell1000 This is a lesson for us all. Never help a fool. They'll screw up and blame everything on us..
@@sallieceelee5660Or maybe try and deliver your expertise in a way that is less damn rude. Not complex.
And the difference with Hell’s Kitchen etc, is that the contestants know the format well in advance.
My ex, who was a chef, went along to a couple of her demonstrations in the 60's, both times she burned the food and tried to blame her assistant, not a nice person
@@wondervalleysally And you, I suppose, are all sweetness and light?
@@DavidYorkshire He never said that he was. Very rude comment.
She was a mad demented old cow with a face painted like a doxy
Aw, poor little snowflakes.
@@lawsonrob I was just relating a personal experience of Fanny's attitude which is born out in this clip, it wasn't acceptable in those days
That's right. Usually when this stuff is shown, it's usually edited very selectively to make Fanny appear more of an old-bag than she way. I've seen the full programme as the stuff with Fanny is *only* about how the woman's dishes integrate into a full menu. Fanny starts off by saying "it's delicious". Her reservations, which sound right to me, were that the menu was too rich.
Exactly she said it's delicious food & fine to have at home if that's what you like. But to serve several rich heavy dishes on a menu when entertaining guests is too much there needs to be balance unless you want everyone to be sick
Shes an absolute legend
Honestly I love Fanny.😂 I think she may have been “too much” for people, especially the reserved British, in the 20th century. It seems that she genuinely wanted to educate people about food pairings and the ‘why’ behind cooking. I’ve been learning a lot from watching her old reels and feel like she’s upped my cooking game quite a bit with little tips and tricks. She really was quite the genius in the kitchen….plus I’m a loud Leo so I very much appreciate her larger than life personna💐
She was a rude frustrated cow.
Thanks! First time I've ever seen her- I used to listen to "Round the Horne" doing "Fanny Haddock" back in my youth, with no idea that they were parodying a real woman. Now I can see why.
Ah, poor old Mrs Cradock, bless her cotton socks. To this day, I still follow her recipe for doughnuts and I am proud to say that all of the doughnuts I make look just like Fanny's.
If someone handed me up a doughnut shaped like a fanny...
@@seanfogarty5559 LOL!
I love cramming doughnuts up my fanny.
She was a self centred bully!!! with no cooking skills whatsoever!!
I suppose it was only a matter of time before somebody cracked the obvious joke.
You're right- the spun sugar Fanny suggests proved nigh on impossible to sustain in a hot kitchen/function room. I think that was a mistake on her part- she's right about the overall menu being too rich, but everyone conceded that the dessert was delicious.
Fanny was right, but her insistance to majorly change the menu was a mistake- she would have probably saved her career if she merely suggested ways to lighten up the menu, rather than discard an important part of it in favour of her choice.
She wasn’t nor isn’t rude at all! She’s a critic, it’s her job or was. Sadly on those days she was considered as rude because people couldn’t handle her harsh truth. Like history reversed because in todays era people can’t handle honesty and politeness because it’s considered once again as rude. I love adore her adulation skills. She’s a pro in what she did👌🏼…. A perfectionist…. All love and respect for this lady.
Well said.
She was rude as hell. There would have been a million ways to make her point more tactfully. She was also incapable as a mother and broke the law with her bigamous marriages. But by all means go on defending the old bag if you want
She was a raving alcoholic, bad mannered and rude...
@@Dbdbe1 like I said like I do…. Still if you don’t like it or not she is right
I forgot how she liked to pepper her language with French, a bit like Del Boy
And just like Del Boy added a soupcon of 'You pays yer money, you takes your choice' 'Money for old rope'
The Big Time was a programme which also started Sheena Easton's career,
Prawn cocktail, Duck and then coffee pudding sounds like an horrendous meal to me. All heavy stodgy dishes. Fanny was dead right
I always remember Fanney and Johnny's cooking show
Consummate expert that she was the Yorkshire Pudding did NOT come from Burgundy.
Can't help feeling what she was advising was factually correct - but she had absolutely no sensitivity, was belittling, condescending and didn't have an empathic bone in her body. Her arrogance blinded her to the cliff she was stumbling towards...
She was the expert though. you want candid advice from an expert, not handholding
I remember watching the whole thing. It wasn't so much the interview but the dessert she 'designed', fiddly & contrived. The cooks couldn't handle her sugar lattice 'sails' for the 50+ (100?) guests, and they were a mess. Chef de cuisine should have known.
The feeling was she'd ruined this lady's one night in the spotlight. She wrote apologising to her. 2 weeks later the BBC dropped her. May have been just changing times, anyway.
The face-pulling is what ruined her. She may have been safe with the same comments, without the face-pulling.
I see absolutely see nothing wrong with Fanny. Her is advice genuine and she even says to Gwen I am trying to take care of you. That other critics will come after you with knives my sweet. I also agree with Fanny. You want something to clear the palette before the next course
I actually tracked down Gwen Troake’s coffee pudding recipe and made it. It was disgusting and completely inedible. Fanny was actually holding back.
I mean to be fair, she wasn't wrong. If you have a rich duck, you want something afterwards to cleanse the pallate.
No, but I'm old enough to remember Betty Marsden's hilarious Fanny Haddock on "Round The Horne", and Benny Hill's fabulous impersonation of her in the days when he was still funny and original! She'd be going into the jungle on "I'm a Celebrity" now, wouldn't she?
I read how outraged many were at Fanny for this, but honestly I believe she was raising the quality of the cooks menu, in hoping to make a better showing for her, instead of a sabotage. it is that the cook was not to that party to execute the level Fanny had hoped to get her to achieve in winning over her judges. I do not think it was malicious, but done to better the cooks menu. she made faces as in her being over dramatic for maybe comic reasons as to how she felt. but to ruin Fanny for this, totally uncalled for.
Her name wasn't even Fanny Cradock, it was Phyllis Pechey! She appeared on the famous chat show 'Parkinson' once and Danny La Rue was also a guest on the show. when she realized Danny was a female impersonator, she stormed off the set of the 'Parkinson' show! The best cookery show on the BBC, was 'Two Fat Ladies', you didn't have to even like cooking, to love that programme. Least Jennifer Paterson and Clarissa Dickson-Wright had the good manners to be polite to the people they met.
I agree with you re 'Two fat ladies' that was hilarious. I bought the dvd set, not for the 'receipts' but for the enjoyment and hilarious antics of these two wonderful women; sadly their likes will never be seen again - well at least I can watch them when ever I want and I find it the best way to cheer me!
Her surname *was* legally and officially Cradock, as she changed it by deed poll. But you're right about her first name. I think she got the Fanny from her second name "Nan"
You got the Parkinson show anecdote a bit confused. What actually happened was Danny La Rue realised Fanny was not a female impersonator, and HE stormed off!
@@mfjdv2020 Fanny's first name was Phyllis so Fanny was just a more frivolous version of that. She chose it for herself so she must have liked it - the name Fanny Cradock was certainly memorable, and much satirised by comedians, in this clip it's the wonderful Benny Hill giving us his Fanny.
Fanny had 4 marriages ... 2 of them bigamous; Johnny Cradock was her 4th (illegal) husband ...
Seafood Cocktail. As 1970s as Avocado Bathroom Suites. Coffee and rum pudding sounds gorgeous. Didn't Gwen have a book of her recipes published the following year, so she had the last laugh.
Coffee and rum pudding sounds vile....seafood cocktail may sound seventies but its still a classic today
@@dream-67 I love coffee and rum together, there is no way it's vile, and I haven't seen prawn cocktails on menus for years. Each to their own.
@@treasurehunteruk9718 no not in the UK i agree
@@dream-67 Do you want to disclose your location?
well in the year 2020 I got here having watched a repeat of Top of The Pops from 1989 where Gary Davis mentioned that Sheena Eastern had had a make over since The Big Time....
Although ole Fanny was out of order here, i like her, she was a strong women who did'nt take no shit.
Simple solution , after the duck serve the grape sorbet (lemon would be too acidic and lingers on the palate too long) then a short time after the rum cream dessert.
im a passionate cook, id never ever ever put someone down for what they do
If you like this, watch ''Fear of Fanny''. It's just over an hour long and tells the story of the kind of woman she really was..........a smiling assassin wno was a control freak. It's here on youtube. A fantastic performance by the actress who plays her.
Like you really knew the real women and believe a ratings inducing drama that the BBC puts out of their by the numbers assembly line.
I think she lead a healthy and more balanced life then a non entity keyboard warrior hurling abuse at dead public figures.
@@tonyc8448 by numbers? Did you not see Julia Davis' exceptional performance?
@@tonyc8448Like you know anything with your inane knee jerk response. She abandoned her kids, married illegally, and very few went to her funeral
I think she's great here, really insightful on how to create a well-composed, well-thought out menu
Sure you can just throw all your favourite dishes together if you're a casual cook but she's right, if you want to be a professional you need to think about your guests and your menu
Yes but it was the arrogant and condescending manner in how she went about it. The stupid face pulling and all of her suggestions were a spectacular disaster on the actual night. Thus, the BBC dropped her and rightly so
go you have the full episode of this programme to upload
That's what I was asking, yes. Thanks.
i cant believe that ended her career come back all is forgiven
I love Fanny,but a reminder...they used her ideas for the actual Royal meal,and they flopped,big time,another reason for the end of her career.
I'm not a lover of fanny
@@chriswainwright185 There's no judging, here.
How can this have brought her down.... sorry, but I ADORE blunt truthful honesty!
What a woman very entertaining
I just learned about this incident by accident while reading about the discovery of Sheena Easton on the same show. I immediately went to find the footage and at first I didn't think it was that bad. But it kept getting worse. And worse. And worse. I'm really glad she stood up for her dish though and from my understanding the dish recipe went on to become quite famous and was published in a cookbook.
I don't think Fanny acted with malice. She was blunt and gave her opinion, certainly not sugar coating it as much as her Christmas mince meat omelettes. Fanny was from a different time, by 1977 food had changed, dining had changed. Much like Julia in the US, she was kept on as a Beloved dinosaur. People watched to learn technique, not to learn to make neon green potatoes (Cradock) or Chicken Marengo (Julia). They were institutions. To Fanny, this woman's best hope rested on camp treatment of food, naval interpretations of sorbet with sugar cages and coffee stirrer masts, rather than good old simple treatments.She was trying to do Escoffier and Peach melba between the wings of an ice cupid, instead of letting a housewife do her thing. Sad that this faux pas was part of her legacy.
Blackberry would be a fine accompaniment for duck methinks!
The face pulling. The puckering. The hands on the head. This was Fannie at her patronizing worst. Part of the problem - and you can see it in this clip - was time was passing her by.
By this point, she was flogging recipes 20 years out of date. She thought Chinese restaurants were a fad that wouldn't last.
There were literally 1,000's of complaints after this show. 2 weeks later her BBC contract was cancelled and she never presented another TV show again.
Too right!
I don't think I'll ever be able to trust the BBC editing room in the 1970s again!
First time I've ever seen Fanny Craddock, tho I've read about her.
This finished her tv career
What I'd like to see, if it was filmed, was the serving of the pudding Franny Cradock suggested. That is what reportedly ruined Gwen Troake's chance to shine, besides Cradock's obvious snobbery ("professional" versus "housewife", you might say).
Mandalores video brought me here. The limbo... xD
Fish and chips Fanny! ROFL
Are you looking for the Fear Of Fanny version? If that's what you mean, the whole thing is available to watch in my account. Part 8 has Fanny's meeting with Gwen.
Sorry to state the obvious but you cannot compare what is acceptable now compared with 35-40 years ago. Do think! Gordon Ramsay would have been severely reprimanded if he was around back in '76!
Fanny was clearly hopped on Benzedrine pills.
She was before her time. Today, sarcasm would make you a star- even in fusty old UK.
No you were almost there - Fanny Haddock was Benny Hill - Betty Marsden gave us the wonderful Daphne Whitethigh in Round the Horne. Both were marvellous.
Foward 40 forty years and having no courtesy or respect on TV is praised as it gets views, negativity is acceptable and even craved today.
Gwens ideas were unsavory to say the least GO FANNY GO
"Surely you eat what you like?" "Oh no darling.."
She's so good. Hello from 2020.
@@elainetalling1797 🤣
I love her. She was very amusing.
This whole incident/episode ended her television career. The BBC terminated contract 2 weeks after this episode following massive backlash from the public about how badly she treated Gwen Troake. She wrote a letter of apology but never presented a television programme again.
We like what we like. Gwen was kind and humble.....Fanny was absolutely RANCID to this lady, and I'm so glad she lost her 'pontificate'...Bring on Dame Delia....❤
I originally thought that - in retrospect from my memories as a kid - she wasn't too bad - but check out at 5.20 onwards - she gets very patronising indeed !
@jonnj1975 The sorbet bowls were for the coffee pudding. Fanny wanted them to make edible pastry "boat' sorbet bowls to put a lighter dessert into. Reportedly, Gwen allowed Fanny to use her idea for the sweet course and the dinner party was a notorious disaster.
According to yesterday's Daily Mail newspaper, Gwen Troake was the grandmother of murder victim, Joanna Yeates, who was found dead, in Bristol on Christmas Day.
How awful!
"Fish and chips Fanny"....
Yes! That made me laugh out loud when she said that LMFAO!!!!!!
I think there’s an ointment for that
Nope, it was Betty Marsden in Beyond Our Ken. Look her up on Wikipedia. She also gave us Dame Celia Molestrangler and Buttercup Gruntfuttock. Daphne Whitethigh was inspired by Katherine Whitehorn, of course, who is still "agony aunt" for the elderly in Saga magazine!
I agree with fanny, coffe cake is too rich and stodgy after roast duck, id rather eat grape ice cream for dessert.
Another example of 'Saint' Esther's dirty career promotion before she bedded already married Dessy. More Fanny - Rantzen set you up.
Esther Rantzen and Desmond Wilcox were long since married when this was on.
What an absolute legend!! Fanny Craddock!!! RIP!! Legend!
I haven't seen this for years and I remember it looking extremely bad for Fanny Craddock, looking at it now what she is saying is correct. Gwen was going to be cooking for people who had very high expectations, And in comparison the attitude of some celebrities now-a-days I wonder what all the fuss was about.
0:25 and later. What's rude and condescending here? A professional piece of advice, put in a very polite, clear way. (The fact that Fanny was wrong about the spun sugar is another topic.)
Yes how times change, with her wit and experience it would be a ratings winner for sure. But having said that did you ever see her omelet and xmas mince recipe..eeeewwww :s
In another episode & the other side of the coin was a comedian got a guest spot on Seaside Special & got complimentary advice from Morecambe & Wise & Arthur Askey who joked he could use some of the guys gags.
I think Gwen Troake died only a couple of years after this.
Also for some reason when I was a little boy I actually thought that Fanny was a man dressed as a woman.
+Peter Raymond She did and he was. ;)
+Peter Raymond I thought Fanny was a drag queen impersonating Bette Davis.
+Daniel Reschke
Hahahhaa - glad I`m not the only person that thought she was a he ;)
LOLOLOLOL
+Daniel Reschke ask johnny!
I think if Fanny's desert idea was a success at the dinner party, this awkward tv appearance would not have killed off her career, alas....
It wasn't, it was a total flop. The kitchen was too hot the sorbet wasn't stable and the spun sugar kept collapsing. One of the diners, a food critic commented that the origianl coffee dessert would have been far better in both taste and fitting for to occasion.
tbh i think fanny was trying to help.... she'd always been well known for her manner so this was to be expected i think. at the end of the day she didnt say anything wrong, she gave her professional opinion. it's just over the top to complain about this, let alone sack our fanny!
"Bramble jelly. It's used for melting down for brushing flans my lovely"
What is bramble ??? 🍇🍇🍇
Surely you eat what you like. Fanny - Oh no!
Why does Fanny look like Danny La Rue?
Sorry, Danny was better looking
Well, what she said wasn't wrong. Duck is very rich (not fond of it myself), so a bright, cleansing palette desert seems appropriate.
or at least a small amout of the sorbet followed by the coffee cream dessert.
They were not ready for her then, just as they were not ready for Lewis Collins back then as Bond. But now look at Daniel Craig - he is definitely taking Bond to Lewis Collins
so my 2 cents will be if she was in today's world, Fanny will definitely be numero uno
I see your point.
“Yes dear, but now you are amongst professionals”!!!😱😬
Fanny isnt a professional, shes a home cook, just like Delia Smith, Nigella Lawson, to name a few, they are HOME COOKS. I have learnt nothing from either of them
@De Sttheir home cooks not caterers or restraunters
LOL. Then after she wanted to take care of her.
rude agressive and a know all fuckall
"Yorkshire Pudding comes from Burgundy: It’s la gougère bourguignonne!" OY GEVALT! O TEMPORA! O MORES!
In the 1950s-1970s, strong women were seen as a threat. Even today Martha Stewart is bashed for being too demanding. On the other hand, mean and foul mouthed Gordon Ramsey just gets more popular. The double standard is alive and well.