Thanks for the build order vids Probe! In the same series he also did a carrier rush and went 4 carriers with blink stalkers which I thought was pretty cool as well
You are absolutely correct, I've been having some great success in High Diamond with this. Most Zerg opponents simply don't have the APM to inject all their hatches during the attack. leaving them with too few units. Thank you for the build order suggestion!
I was watching the PiG-casts VOD of this game and he mentioned that during the break you had commented "What a terrible build," yet here we are learning it lol. He also mentioned that you said this build works really well if the zerg skips Ling speed if they think it's DT, which is another build I use often. Maybe it could be useful in a series after a DT drop? But I don't think I ever run into zergs on ladder who skip ling speed 😅
I'm not joking when I say this build is responsible for me speedrunning through Platinum straight into Diamond. I had always struggled in long games against Zerg, but with this build I can pressure my rival and end the game quickly, or get myself into a favourable enough position. Furthermore, it's been great blink micro practice for the other matchups as well. Keep going with these videos, they're so helpful for amateur players like me!
You have to take it very slow, but it's tough. The good thing is that they need to cut workers quite early to get the required mass of lings up, and if you get your ball going, then you'll be fine...
You can sell the glaives a little harder by actually doing a move-out with the prism and 4 adepts and then warping in the stalkers while the adepts are pulling units into their main.
it is because zerg did not scout P expand 2 base first ,if zerg 2base roach all in .. P hit Zerg in the weakest time 3base expand have to make drone then no unit if make unit no drone
These openers are very very standard. All zergs are going to play 3 base at high levels. And the zergs saw no 3rd base, and twilight, so they know to cut at 39 drones to build units.
1:20 Is using built probes instead of probes out of the nexus really that bad? Popping out of the back of the nexus is nice but it feels a lot cleaner to use a built one a good chunk of the time. Is this something i should change is all I’m wondering. (Barely relevant question sry)
It'd a good question. The biggest reason why I recommend it is that it will make you more consistent. I build every building in the early game with a probe rally, or with a probe already in a gas. And the build orders are designed to do this, so it should be the most clean (compared to you in a few games pulling a bit late). So I wouldn't say it feels better to take from the mineral line. The other thing is that I spend enough time getting 2 on each patch, that taking from minerals just messes with that. If you're happy currently, no need to change.
Thanks for the build order vids Probe! In the same series he also did a carrier rush and went 4 carriers with blink stalkers which I thought was pretty cool as well
You are absolutely correct, I've been having some great success in High Diamond with this. Most Zerg opponents simply don't have the APM to inject all their hatches during the attack. leaving them with too few units. Thank you for the build order suggestion!
Love love love this level of detailed education. No idea why sc2 pros/players dont do this. I really appreciate it. Subbed
I was watching the PiG-casts VOD of this game and he mentioned that during the break you had commented "What a terrible build," yet here we are learning it lol.
He also mentioned that you said this build works really well if the zerg skips Ling speed if they think it's DT, which is another build I use often. Maybe it could be useful in a series after a DT drop? But I don't think I ever run into zergs on ladder who skip ling speed 😅
Even terrible builds have some merits...
But yeah I just tried it out expecting to lose, but I just kept winning lol.
I'm not joking when I say this build is responsible for me speedrunning through Platinum straight into Diamond.
I had always struggled in long games against Zerg, but with this build I can pressure my rival and end the game quickly, or get myself into a favourable enough position. Furthermore, it's been great blink micro practice for the other matchups as well.
Keep going with these videos, they're so helpful for amateur players like me!
Glad herO has blessed you :)
Thanks for the explanation and the examples!
I feel like: consider you have a prism in front line, why not build a battery hohohoho.
Another build order by the goat
Interesting, this hits rly fast
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Probe, could you play a showmatch vs the Chinese protoss player named SCV, but you'd be playing Terran? ;-)
Will they be playing Protoss for maximum confusion?
Probe do you have any advice Vs mass ling?
You have to take it very slow, but it's tough. The good thing is that they need to cut workers quite early to get the required mass of lings up, and if you get your ball going, then you'll be fine...
You can sell the glaives a little harder by actually doing a move-out with the prism and 4 adepts and then warping in the stalkers while the adepts are pulling units into their main.
I think trying to sell it isn't very useful though, since they just have more units when you finally attack, and you have less stalkers.
It really is a terrible build
it is because zerg did not scout P expand 2 base first ,if zerg 2base roach all in ..
P hit Zerg in the weakest time 3base expand have to make drone then no unit if make unit no drone
These openers are very very standard. All zergs are going to play 3 base at high levels. And the zergs saw no 3rd base, and twilight, so they know to cut at 39 drones to build units.
I've been trying this but all my opponents just mass lings and if I make zealots they just spam banes and I die so idk if this works really
all saind herO is my favourit protos to watch, i love the creativity
I'm sick of watchingcookie cutter play. so I love his game ai or lose
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1:20 Is using built probes instead of probes out of the nexus really that bad? Popping out of the back of the nexus is nice but it feels a lot cleaner to use a built one a good chunk of the time. Is this something i should change is all I’m wondering. (Barely relevant question sry)
It'd a good question. The biggest reason why I recommend it is that it will make you more consistent. I build every building in the early game with a probe rally, or with a probe already in a gas. And the build orders are designed to do this, so it should be the most clean (compared to you in a few games pulling a bit late).
So I wouldn't say it feels better to take from the mineral line. The other thing is that I spend enough time getting 2 on each patch, that taking from minerals just messes with that.
If you're happy currently, no need to change.
gotchya that makes a lot of sense, tyty!
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