Testing Vertical Tower Cooler Configs with Flow Through GPUs, feat. the NR200
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- Rear Intake. Rear Exhaust. Top Exhaust. Top Intake. Empirically we know one of these is the most logical, and today we're going the full 360º to see exactly why. Though the test features the Cooler Master NR200, this analysis is relevant for most SFF cases featuring a similar layout, such as the Ncase M1 and Sliger S620/610, of course case fan layout and cooler compatibility varies.
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0:00 Introduction to vertical configs
2:40 Test Setup
4:04 CPU Only Thermals
5:02 Gaming/GPU included Thermals
7:20 Conclusion - Наука та технологія
The NR200 guy is BACK!
I thought about it yesterday and you made video about it today. Great as always!
Your videos were so helpful in the process of choosing the parts and building my NR200P, keep up the amazing work, man.
Using this as a small step into future sff builds. Thank you NR200 Guru! Can’t wait for review on the ASRock boards, saw the MSI one, loved it! Great content as always! I might try to build in a Sliger SV540 in the future!
Thank you so much. This is the most in depth analysis out there I could find (full 360 rotations and with data on graphs for us to actually see what happens in each case) and it's super helpful for people who are first-timers with air heatsink and also has no idea how the temps will behave.
My man coming in clutch again with another NR200 experiment. LOVE IT!. Keep up the great work.
Cheers Victor, glad you found it helpful!
thanks a lot, i was wondering about this config, now i've got my answer :)
By now I think I've watched all your videos about cooling in the NR200. You've convinced me to get this case for my next build, it should arrive in a few days. Big thanks for the hard work!
Glad I could help!
@@MachinesMore When you answered that, I was in the middle of the process of building in it. First time building a PC, cable management was tough, but I managed, and it worked right away :D Thanks again, and looking forward to new videos from you.
I was debating trying this , no need to bother now. Thx for saving me a bit of thermal paste 😅
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I have a Silverstone FT-05 set up for a perfect vertical airflow scheme (CPU tower installed on the GPU). There's one 140mm fan on the CPU tower, and one 120mm fan on the GPU tower. The PSU is a passive SFX unit on an offset (this, along with using a board with a first-slot PCIex16, was necessary to fit a 120mm tower within the constraints of a 7-slot case).
Anyway, after I set up the build this way, I found that intake and exhaust fans aren't necessary. So long as all of the fans in the case point upwards, the hot and cold air don't mix and stay in the case. The hot air is always above the components, and the cold air is always below them. It's not a pure convection system, but it has the silence benefits of one, with the performance benefits of a mechanically-cooled system.
Also, unlike in your system, both the CPU and GPU in my system get their own fresh air, and they dump heat at the same height, meaning that there's no exhaust mixing. I can actually detect a temperature difference above the case when running specifically compute or graphical benchmarks. So in effect there are 3 temperature zones; passive intake, GPU exhaust, CPU exhaust.
And because all of the noise is generated deep in the middle of the case, for sound to escape it has to take an indirect route out of the enclosure, unlike sound generated by case fans, which is generated directly adjacent to the escape path.
Honestly, after this current build I'm never, ever, going back to a horizontal layout. I can run a full torture load without hearing my PC at all, it's extremely nice.
glad I've found that. was about to build my new 7700X mini-itx system with a U9S in a vertical configuration to blow upwards - definitely won't do it now. thanks for that 🙂
I guess that puts that orientation to the grave. Glad to see you finally got to this covered, i remember we talked about this in a past video.
Well, you know if it weren't for the Gpu being there, it would probably be a killer orientation.
I have mine like this all the time and in allowing the fan to turn of when not needed workes great
Love the vids! Would you recommend the c14s or the u12a with just the single exhaust fan on the top (left or right)? The c14s is 1/3 cheaper than the u12a where I am.
This guy min maxed the hell out of nr200 LMAO
I finally run an NR200 setup with push-pull C14S. No complaints so far, it's been pretty cool with a 5600X!
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Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3000 PWM's on a ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 radiator like in your previous video. It's mounted on an I7 9700K overclocked to 5 GHz. Highest temp thus far is 64 C with Idle temps 15 C lower than air cooled. I love the sound of the Noctua Industrials.
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One possible experiment I'd to have the top fans running in opposite directions. The one above the cooler as intake and the other as exhaust. You might get some issues with turbulent flow but it also might balance better.
did you experiment with having both top and bottom case fans as exhaust? sounds like a lot of negative pressure but i'm wondering if that'll just mean more cool air drawn in from the side panels.
Godsend
Is there any chance this can be tested with a deshrouded GPU as both intake and exhaust?
(thanks for all the nr200 content, very informative)
Good
At the end which is your air recomendation NH-C14S or NH-U12A
thats how i used it with an intel cpu, because it's square(amd is rectangle) and i'd set the rear fan as the intake
This isn't a question about vertical tower coolers, but on the NR200 series as a whole. I guess over the whole series, I've mixed up your recommendations. For mainstream use, I'm pretty sure you've recommended a Noctua NH-C14S. But, I'm unsure of what your recommendations are for the fans. Is it two 120mm x 25mm fans (Noctua A12x25 PWM) at the bottom bringing air into the case and one at the top exhausting air (only one at the top because the NH-C14S blocks the other top fan position?)? Or, are you recommending a side-mounted fan instead (intake? exhaust?)?
How about the top mount inverted,it's a good mod?
Cool video! Why is the control configuration rear intake as opposed to rear exhaust? Just asking because I thought that was your general recommendation in the video you posted a few months back on the best air flow configuration.
Ah, the difference is that this is a flow through GPU. So since I currently have a standard GPU with both fans on bottom, and rear exhaust on the CPU, if I ever get a flow through card, I should flip the CPU orientation?
Indeed. With conventional GPU coolers and board power
Flow through cooler should make it easier as it dumps less heat into the case. Normal gpu cooler will dump all of its heat in to be sucked in by cpu cooler. And you could always make a channel between the flow through exhaust and top exhaust and isolate it from rest of the system.
Does anyone know which orientation is better for low profile cooler on AM5 CPU?
may i know which kit for nh-12a ? is it NM-AM or NM-AM4-UxS? than kyou
Schiit Hel 2 review in the works?
so whats the best cooler?
Kinda weird. I have a 3080 FE, Nactua U12A and a B550I Aorus Pro AX with a 5900x. I get worse thermals with the CPU cooler as intake then exhaust. I'm using an Inwin A1 case so top exhaust isn't an option. Ill have to check my findings to make sure I didn't screw anything up along the way. Love the content, Just found your channel and subbed.
Inwin A1 has a rear fan option right? Is that being used, and if so does the direction match? There is a very different case/fan layout with that case with the side panel fan and no top exhausts so an exhaust setup could ostensibly be better.
This might actually make sense if you have:
1) a hot gpu
2) a big tower cooler
3) a low power cpu
If your cpu is already cool enough during gaming with a really low fan speed, it might make sense to trade 8C of cpu temp for 2C of gpu
I think this needs something like a divider to block the exhaust from the flow-through cooler portion of the GPU from the CPU cooler intake in a bottom to top configuration. I do agree that the motherboard area will still receive an inadequate amount of airflow in this configuration.
Yeah, it’s not great either way, especially considering the CPU only tests, there’s just bad airflow either way (obstructed on one side whether intaking or exhausting). At that point it’s already in the “why bother” territory. 😊
If you have a case that has bottom fan mounting possition set to intake and top fans to outside, I think this definitely could be a good idea with newer pass through GPUs...well if you can get one that is
And actually could be a use for vertical mounting the gpu
Question to NR200 owners, do your bottom fans make particularly loud noise when running high ? I put 2 noctuas 12x25 and i find the noise very loud, like a waving growling. I suspect the bottom metal plate they are attached to that is not rigid enough
Mine hum at high RPM, but they are Arctic P12s so I don’t think that’s the issue. Could be that the panel isn’t seated well. Try disassembling and reassembling.
This happened with my fan when I had yhe screws too tight, try loosening them a bit!
One thing you can also try is to use the anti vibration mounts that Noctua supplied with the fans.
thanks guys, I tried to loosen the screws, seems to help a bit, i also tried the silicone gasket, also reduced a bit but not totally, I'll try using the silicone anti-vibration mounts tomorrow, if it doesn't help I'll try to find a way to reinforce the bottom plate, it's quite flimsy in the middle due to the ventilation perforations
kinda weird setup, why slims on the bottom instead of two NF-A12x25?
It’s just how I had it setup from a prior test with a thicc GPU… the P12 slims are pretty similar to the P12s and I just left them as-is. You can go either way with 2-slot cards.
Which would be the best for a non-flow through gpu cooler?
Depends on if you are running bottom fans and how powerful your GPU is. Bottom fans or a powerful GPU will be best as rear intake, otherwise rear exhaust is fine, and this avoids potential dust issues from the non filtered rear vents. A 2070 (175W) I tested with early on was about the same whether rear intake or exhaust. A card with board power above that of a 2080ti/3070 is for sure going to see rear intake be the best config.
@@MachinesMore appreciate the tip. gonna try that soon!
this video was convenient, i was just wondering how good it would be to do this and this video popped right up a couple hours later(!)
so by rear intake are you pushing air from the left to the right and upwards next to the psu? in that case, would dust become a problem over time? i saw that in optimum tech's video ( ua-cam.com/video/TUO59lwdB9I/v-deo.html ) he used a vertical cooling layout and achieved superb temps with a flow-through fe card. worst-case, with an i5-11400, he achieved around ~80°C max temps. perhaps dust wouldn't be as much of a problem in this manner, as all the airflow directs through the top panel?
thanks for your dedication to the nr200! :)
Dust is a potential problem with rear intake, and yes you described it correctly. Some users have mitigated this by cutting the dust filter to fit around that area and just cover it, or clean it more frequently. In either vertical config dust isn’t a big issue, the bigger issue is the limited exhaust or intake airflow, and in the top exhaust scenario, the source of that intake. I haven’t reviewed the 11400 yet, but that temp you mentioned sounds like there is a bit of interference from a graphics card, normally the chip should top out in the 70’s for an all core load with an average cooler.
@@MachinesMore thank you so much for your fast reply! i'll definitely consider the best airflow from your videos when i start building my pc in the nr200 in a couple months. your videos have been massive help, straightforward and not bloated like bigger creators. keep up the good work my guy 👍
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Seems legit...
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