Great video. Just wanted to say thanks once again for such detailed content on the NR200. Completed my first custom loop this weekend and used a lot of your tips to do so!
It seems he just accepted the panel pushing on the fins. Not something I'd do myself as I see a lot of unnecessary risk there (lot of leverage from the fin stack down to the socket), but a lot of reviewers and youtubers are willing to accept that risk, because to them it's just a test system. Sure, they might end up using it long term, but if it has an issue it's no big deal for them to sort it, while for you or I building our only rig in this manner, an issue down the line means potentially spending a not insignificant amount of money. I'd find a way to offset that side panel, or buy a spare and cut a hole in it, or something like that. Easiest way, of course, is to just leave it off
Was thinking of getting a D15 for my 5700G and putting it in my NR200P but this semi passive setup seems awesome for a GPUless setup. People also sell 3D printed NR200 side panel extension brackets on eBay and Etsy so you can fit large air coolers and it still looks pretty good.
Nice video. I have a similar setup, but (nearly) fully fanless. iGPU, no case fans and fanless PSU. The only fan is in the I/O shield of my MB, but it turns off a few seconds after boot, so I haven't bothered removing it (yet). This cooler only makes sense if you really need 0 noise though. I'm going to use my system for recording music in the same room (1 room cabin), so it makes sense for me. I haven't stress tested yet, but it cools a 10400T to about 10-15 or so degrees C over ambient at idle. It's dead silent, can't tell if it's on except for the power LED. BTW Check the stress on the motherboard when closing the side panel, it flexes a fair bit. I used zip ties instead of screws to leave a small gap at the top and remove the stress.
as soon as the first notes from the intro played, had to stop to comment and give a like. Watching your videos are an experience, not a mere review or entertainment.
Great video! I’m glad I found your channel! Loved that sync with the music and revealing the cold plate. I now I want to do a small form factor semi-passive build like you. Any cases you would recommend aside from the NR200? What about the new Meshalicious?
Nice video with some nice background piano reminiscent of Bill Evans. While some might pan the limitations, in terms of what they'll handle, passive cooling is the ultimate in acoustic performance for pc cooling. There are alot of options out there that are interesting, such as Monsterlabo, HDPLEX and others. And ,if a passive setup fits your requirements, that's a win. I think its great that Noctua is getting into the passive cooling game, and would like to see them take the design a bit further, making the cooler more of a show piece. While using the top thermally conductive materials (e.g., diamond, silver) is probably out, more copper would be interesing for a "rat rod" build. Also, while duplicating a Chihuly chandelier is overkill, a more creative pipe bending or use of elements of the owl logo icon for cutouts would add a creative edge. Lower profile end caps would also look cool and make fitting easier. I wouldn't mind seeing a comparison with other cooling options, including some of the NOFAN options.
I'm running a ryzen 5600g, its undervolted using PBO, my previous cooler was a deepcool gamer storm lucifer v2 running passively, I just brought this NH-P1 along with a better PC case that has vents in the top (previously I just left one side off the case) before I swapped everything over I ran a test where I pegged all cores at 100% for 20 minutes and it got to 79 degrees, then I swapped over to the new case and installed the NH-P1 and ran the test again, after 20 minutes with all cores at 100% it was only at 64 degrees, so I left it running for longer, it eventually got to 66 degrees where it stayed for ages, after 40 minutes it was still at 66 degrees so I ran an iGPU benchmark while the CPU was still at 100%, the highest it got to was 69 degrees, then it dropped back down to 68 degrees, after about 6 or 7 minutes I stopped the iGPU test and the temps dropped down to 67 degrees, after 50 minutes the temps hadn't changed so I stopped the test. I have to say I'm pretty impressed, its a big upgrade over the deepcool, 15 degrees cooler after the same time period is very impressive, and for the temps to still be only 67 degrees after 50 minutes of all cores running maxed out at 100% and the iGPU running anywhere between 50% to 100% for 6 or 7 minutes in a completely passive case is very good if you ask me, for reference the room was cool, probably around 20 degrees, and at idle the CPU jumps between 28 and 30 degrees.
Haha, if you need to take off a little, it’s safe. Personally I’d just use a screw or two to hold the side panel since it doesn’t deform the panel or anything, but if using with glass… it’s going to need a little TLC😎
Noise is a big factor for me and a (semi) passive build seems like a good idea. But after experiencing GPU coil whine (not much but still), I'm not sure it would be a good fit for a gaming system. The high pitch noise is drowned with a classic setup (with a few fans and a CPU cooler), but with an otherwise very quiet build at med/high GPU load... Maybe I'm just a bit too cautious, but I feel it's something to consider when aiming for low noise.
It is definitely a consideration. The latest crop of high powered GPUs are definitely prone to coil whine. However, undervolting often helps with that and would be a must-do for this type of build, will also help with CPU temps since it won’t heat up the cooler as much.
You know, it won’t work as nicely due to the fan accommodation over the S620, it won’t fit a fan directly overhead, and that’s the main source of airflow for the cooler. Height clearance wise though, absolutely.
They had to bias this one towards full passive use, so the big thick plates and low heatfin count are what hamper it in the semi-passive scenario. If they made it a denser fin array, the semi passive scenario could be capable with higher TDP chips.
Hey is your nr200p front panel fully painted on the inside? Very curious. Because the qc on my sec case is a bit off compared to the original one I had but returned for the m1. My current isn't painted all the way on the inside and my logo is slanted. Very disappointed this time around after loving the case the first go around.
Is there enough room to add a 92mm fan on the rear of the NR200 case? Also when you screw in the side panel, is it bulging in any areas? Does the side panel sit flat and are the panel gaps even?
Panel does not deform, the screws just help it stay clicked. 92mm fan is fine, but will disrupt the airflow, plus it would be obstructed by the cooler.
I have a similar setup, same cooler, same case. I noticed the motherboard and mounting frame behind it flexes quite a bit if I push the side panel in fully. A little more than I was comfortable with, so I used some zip ties in the screw holes instead, to keep the panel on with a slight gap. It's probably fine with screws, but I tend to keep my systems for a long time, so I didn't want the stress on the motherboard to cause issues (cracking) a few years from now. I'm thinking of modding the standoffs and/or tray to recess the motherboard slightly. That creates other issues though (I/O shield and slot offset), so not sure if it's going to work.
@@AnWe79smaller standoffs, just 2-3mm less was also my idea. How did your improvement work out. Was the i/o shield a problem? I hope 2mm are in saferange for the angle.
I think this cooler could perform well with no-dGPU setup, possibly with Ryzen 5300G, 2 bottom fans, and two top fans. It would make for a nice HTPC application. It does not make sense for workstation/gaming builds, however.
Now I wonder if this placement directly under the one case fan improves this cooler's thermal performance (on the other hand due to direct placement on the other side right by the GPU backside/back-plate it's thermal efficiency may be worse), as the manufacturer limits compatibility to 5800X when the cooler is paired with NF-A12x25 LS-PWM... while 5900X already gets "CPU might fall slightly below base-clock under continuous full load." comment with the fan(s) configuration and straight up "Cooler cannot handle base clock" in fanless mode. I wonder if it can actually be made to work well with the 5900X in this case... on light loads should work well, on heavier maybe not so much, but the question is how much of a loss is to be expected in NR200...
I don't like the idea of the side panel pushing up against the fins, that's a lot of leverage going down to the socket. At minimum it's likely to affect contact force distribution.
Well it's a nice video and all that, but since you're not using it in a fanless system and you cant run it bellow 6-700rpm on the case fans at LOAD, which would make it inaudible, you can call it semi passive as much as you want, it's still producing noise, so it is only fair to compare it with the u12a at a equal noise threshold to see results, be it 30dba, 32, 35, or 40, it's your choice since you make the video. As far as running it in passive mode at idle and low usage. It's not practical. Even if i didnt have this cooler i did thought about it and even started working on it. It's not working well, unless you set the threshold to like 70ºC, and even then, you can run fans at 300-500rpm depending on the fan, being pretty much inaudible, and shave like 25-30ºC from those 70ºC.
I still don't understand the meaning of this cooler. It struggles to sustain a very low TDP cpu without fans and isn't so good even with fans (i mean, shouldn't even be considered with fans because Is passive). All this costing like 120-125 euros. Why someone should consider this over a Fuma 2 or Noctua c14s for this case?
If you’re after performance, don’t consider it. It’s not for that, it’s for building a very noise optimized system and serves a very niche segment, and there’s not much like it that serves that purpose.
@@MachinesMore Just wait till Noctua reveals their masterplan with their new 180mm low speed fans. Then it will all make sense. (The P1 even has fan bracket holes)
@@MachinesMore i mean, if someone Is very noise sensitive it's just better to reduce fan speed of CPU cooler to 500-600 RPM (with good fans of course). The noise will be so low that will be almost like passive system, spending a lot less money. If i set my Noctua d15s to 600 RPM it becomes literally inaudible and still perfoms better than the nh-p1. The only use of this cooler is in a PC with 0 fans, with even passive GPU.
Sabrent Heatsink disipador de Calor para Rockets M.2 2280 SSD There is room with this cooler with the Noctua NH-1? I'm in a hurry. Thank you, anybody out there to advise.
For some reason the quiet music in this video is off-putting. Unfortunately, even during idle, my GPU fans are louder than the noctua fans in my system.
@@MachinesMore are those heatpipe tips removable like the coolermaster ones? i've seen somebody remove the ones from the popular air cooler, just cannot remember the name......hyper something.
LOL so this is pair is the "ultimate" for silent air-cooling, right on the brink of the silent water-cooling optimised evolution using CM gear only in the form of NR200P MAX (coolermaster.egnyte.com/dl/gqvihcA789/?)...
Great video. Just wanted to say thanks once again for such detailed content on the NR200.
Completed my first custom loop this weekend and used a lot of your tips to do so!
i was so hoping you'd do this.
Thank you for your videos. I have build my new pc NR200 using your tips and guides. Great work!
Oh yes, when I saw that cooler I know Machines and More is going to Chuck it into the NR200.
you betcha... he doesn't disappoint
Great video. Exactly what setup I had in mind. A semi passive system. Thank you for making the video.
How did you fit the side panel with the NH-P1? Could you explain in more detail, please? Very interested in doing exactly this setup! 😎
It seems he just accepted the panel pushing on the fins. Not something I'd do myself as I see a lot of unnecessary risk there (lot of leverage from the fin stack down to the socket), but a lot of reviewers and youtubers are willing to accept that risk, because to them it's just a test system. Sure, they might end up using it long term, but if it has an issue it's no big deal for them to sort it, while for you or I building our only rig in this manner, an issue down the line means potentially spending a not insignificant amount of money.
I'd find a way to offset that side panel, or buy a spare and cut a hole in it, or something like that. Easiest way, of course, is to just leave it off
Your videos are so relaxing, it's unreal.
Was thinking of getting a D15 for my 5700G and putting it in my NR200P but this semi passive setup seems awesome for a GPUless setup. People also sell 3D printed NR200 side panel extension brackets on eBay and Etsy so you can fit large air coolers and it still looks pretty good.
Thanks for the tip.
Really well written conclusion!
Very useful, thank you
Nice video. I have a similar setup, but (nearly) fully fanless. iGPU, no case fans and fanless PSU. The only fan is in the I/O shield of my MB, but it turns off a few seconds after boot, so I haven't bothered removing it (yet).
This cooler only makes sense if you really need 0 noise though. I'm going to use my system for recording music in the same room (1 room cabin), so it makes sense for me.
I haven't stress tested yet, but it cools a 10400T to about 10-15 or so degrees C over ambient at idle.
It's dead silent, can't tell if it's on except for the power LED.
BTW Check the stress on the motherboard when closing the side panel, it flexes a fair bit. I used zip ties instead of screws to leave a small gap at the top and remove the stress.
as soon as the first notes from the intro played, had to stop to comment and give a like. Watching your videos are an experience, not a mere review or entertainment.
Great video! I’m glad I found your channel! Loved that sync with the music and revealing the cold plate.
I now I want to do a small form factor semi-passive build like you. Any cases you would recommend aside from the NR200? What about the new Meshalicious?
enjoyable symphony of silence... nice!
Nice video with some nice background piano reminiscent of Bill Evans.
While some might pan the limitations, in terms of what they'll handle, passive cooling is the ultimate in acoustic performance for pc cooling. There are alot of options out there that are interesting, such as Monsterlabo, HDPLEX and others. And ,if a passive setup fits your requirements, that's a win.
I think its great that Noctua is getting into the passive cooling game, and would like to see them take the design a bit further, making the cooler more of a show piece. While using the top thermally conductive materials (e.g., diamond, silver) is probably out, more copper would be interesing for a "rat rod" build. Also, while duplicating a Chihuly chandelier is overkill, a more creative pipe bending or use of elements of the owl logo icon for cutouts would add a creative edge. Lower profile end caps would also look cool and make fitting easier.
I wouldn't mind seeing a comparison with other cooling options, including some of the NOFAN options.
I'm running a ryzen 5600g, its undervolted using PBO, my previous cooler was a deepcool gamer storm lucifer v2 running passively, I just brought this NH-P1 along with a better PC case that has vents in the top (previously I just left one side off the case) before I swapped everything over I ran a test where I pegged all cores at 100% for 20 minutes and it got to 79 degrees, then I swapped over to the new case and installed the NH-P1 and ran the test again, after 20 minutes with all cores at 100% it was only at 64 degrees, so I left it running for longer, it eventually got to 66 degrees where it stayed for ages, after 40 minutes it was still at 66 degrees so I ran an iGPU benchmark while the CPU was still at 100%, the highest it got to was 69 degrees, then it dropped back down to 68 degrees, after about 6 or 7 minutes I stopped the iGPU test and the temps dropped down to 67 degrees, after 50 minutes the temps hadn't changed so I stopped the test.
I have to say I'm pretty impressed, its a big upgrade over the deepcool, 15 degrees cooler after the same time period is very impressive, and for the temps to still be only 67 degrees after 50 minutes of all cores running maxed out at 100% and the iGPU running anywhere between 50% to 100% for 6 or 7 minutes in a completely passive case is very good if you ask me, for reference the room was cool, probably around 20 degrees, and at idle the CPU jumps between 28 and 30 degrees.
It is sooo good to see the NR200 again! I love this case so much!
So the P1 doesn't fit perfectly inside? Where did I put that belt sander?
Haha, if you need to take off a little, it’s safe. Personally I’d just use a screw or two to hold the side panel since it doesn’t deform the panel or anything, but if using with glass… it’s going to need a little TLC😎
@@MachinesMore This is why we need to get cases with curved glass. How sick would that be?
Fish bowl!
Noise is a big factor for me and a (semi) passive build seems like a good idea. But after experiencing GPU coil whine (not much but still), I'm not sure it would be a good fit for a gaming system. The high pitch noise is drowned with a classic setup (with a few fans and a CPU cooler), but with an otherwise very quiet build at med/high GPU load... Maybe I'm just a bit too cautious, but I feel it's something to consider when aiming for low noise.
It is definitely a consideration. The latest crop of high powered GPUs are definitely prone to coil whine. However, undervolting often helps with that and would be a must-do for this type of build, will also help with CPU temps since it won’t heat up the cooler as much.
Makes me wonder if you could just sand the cooler a bit and get it to fit properly. :p
Ohhh, I was thinking this would work well in the S620 that you reviewed a bit back.
You know, it won’t work as nicely due to the fan accommodation over the S620, it won’t fit a fan directly overhead, and that’s the main source of airflow for the cooler. Height clearance wise though, absolutely.
that tight fit is so satisfying
Awesome. I was hoping with the fan overhead that cooler would be able to tame something like a 5900x. Still really cool looking in the NR200.
They had to bias this one towards full passive use, so the big thick plates and low heatfin count are what hamper it in the semi-passive scenario. If they made it a denser fin array, the semi passive scenario could be capable with higher TDP chips.
My guess it should work pretty well with Sliger S620 to maximize GPU exhaust...Thanks for your review inside NR200!
What psu is that?
Hey is your nr200p front panel fully painted on the inside? Very curious. Because the qc on my sec case is a bit off compared to the original one I had but returned for the m1. My current isn't painted all the way on the inside and my logo is slanted. Very disappointed this time around after loving the case the first go around.
Is there enough room to add a 92mm fan on the rear of the NR200 case? Also when you screw in the side panel, is it bulging in any areas? Does the side panel sit flat and are the panel gaps even?
Panel does not deform, the screws just help it stay clicked. 92mm fan is fine, but will disrupt the airflow, plus it would be obstructed by the cooler.
I have a similar setup, same cooler, same case. I noticed the motherboard and mounting frame behind it flexes quite a bit if I push the side panel in fully. A little more than I was comfortable with, so I used some zip ties in the screw holes instead, to keep the panel on with a slight gap.
It's probably fine with screws, but I tend to keep my systems for a long time, so I didn't want the stress on the motherboard to cause issues (cracking) a few years from now. I'm thinking of modding the standoffs and/or tray to recess the motherboard slightly. That creates other issues though (I/O shield and slot offset), so not sure if it's going to work.
@@AnWe79smaller standoffs, just 2-3mm less was also my idea. How did your improvement work out. Was the i/o shield a problem? I hope 2mm are in saferange for the angle.
I think this cooler could perform well with no-dGPU setup, possibly with Ryzen 5300G, 2 bottom fans, and two top fans. It would make for a nice HTPC application. It does not make sense for workstation/gaming builds, however.
Great video, was really hoping you decided to put the molten hot lava ryzen in there with this one :) the old 5800x
Now I wonder if this placement directly under the one case fan improves this cooler's thermal performance (on the other hand due to direct placement on the other side right by the GPU backside/back-plate it's thermal efficiency may be worse), as the manufacturer limits compatibility to 5800X when the cooler is paired with NF-A12x25 LS-PWM... while 5900X already gets "CPU might fall slightly below base-clock under continuous full load." comment with the fan(s) configuration and straight up "Cooler cannot handle base clock" in fanless mode. I wonder if it can actually be made to work well with the 5900X in this case... on light loads should work well, on heavier maybe not so much, but the question is how much of a loss is to be expected in NR200...
I'm just shocked that ridiculous thing actually fits in a NR200. lol
Well it doesn't fit^^
Noctua L12s vs Noctua U12s redux on nr200?
Yes
He's back ladies and gentlemen.
I don't like the idea of the side panel pushing up against the fins, that's a lot of leverage going down to the socket. At minimum it's likely to affect contact force distribution.
passive but you need to put fans still not on it but on case right ...
🌼
Какой лучший кулер для nr 200p?
U12A или NH-C14S
Well it's a nice video and all that, but since you're not using it in a fanless system and you cant run it bellow 6-700rpm on the case fans at LOAD, which would make it inaudible, you can call it semi passive as much as you want, it's still producing noise, so it is only fair to compare it with the u12a at a equal noise threshold to see results, be it 30dba, 32, 35, or 40, it's your choice since you make the video.
As far as running it in passive mode at idle and low usage. It's not practical. Even if i didnt have this cooler i did thought about it and even started working on it. It's not working well, unless you set the threshold to like 70ºC, and even then, you can run fans at 300-500rpm depending on the fan, being pretty much inaudible, and shave like 25-30ºC from those 70ºC.
I still don't understand the meaning of this cooler. It struggles to sustain a very low TDP cpu without fans and isn't so good even with fans (i mean, shouldn't even be considered with fans because Is passive). All this costing like 120-125 euros. Why someone should consider this over a Fuma 2 or Noctua c14s for this case?
If you’re after performance, don’t consider it. It’s not for that, it’s for building a very noise optimized system and serves a very niche segment, and there’s not much like it that serves that purpose.
@@MachinesMore Just wait till Noctua reveals their masterplan with their new 180mm low speed fans. Then it will all make sense. (The P1 even has fan bracket holes)
@@MachinesMore i mean, if someone Is very noise sensitive it's just better to reduce fan speed of CPU cooler to 500-600 RPM (with good fans of course). The noise will be so low that will be almost like passive system, spending a lot less money. If i set my Noctua d15s to 600 RPM it becomes literally inaudible and still perfoms better than the nh-p1.
The only use of this cooler is in a PC with 0 fans, with even passive GPU.
Look like those bug shockers
Sabrent Heatsink disipador de Calor para Rockets M.2 2280 SSD There is room with this cooler with the Noctua NH-1? I'm in a hurry. Thank you, anybody out there to advise.
For some reason the quiet music in this video is off-putting.
Unfortunately, even during idle, my GPU fans are louder than the noctua fans in my system.
I was going to comment how good the music is and suited the video really well :-D
You can undervolt the GPU, tune the fans and reduce quite a bit the noise.
How about the NH D15 next? Hahaha!
You could actually get the D15 to fit OK… and just drill out the panel holes where the heatpipe tips touch. Not ideal but not bad either.
@@MachinesMore You can make anything fit...with a Dremel.
@@MachinesMore are those heatpipe tips removable like the coolermaster ones? i've seen somebody remove the ones from the popular air cooler, just cannot remember the name......hyper something.
@@3rutu5 hyper 212 evo? That’s a cooler masters most well known single tower cooler
Bro what's with the super low volume and annoying music? 4:45?
Could u use the TG panel with this setup ? Thanks !
That cooler is the most ridiculous thing that Noctua has ever made. Exept for the colour of those fans that is. :)
Стекло закрывается?
Нет
No, just no.
its ugly🤣fan
The heatsink?
@@MachinesMore I think he is pulling your leg :P
LOL so this is pair is the "ultimate" for silent air-cooling, right on the brink of the silent water-cooling optimised evolution using CM gear only in the form of NR200P MAX (coolermaster.egnyte.com/dl/gqvihcA789/?)...