I trained under a Rickson-affiliated school starting back in 2005. We had a beginner side and an advanced side of the class which was great for learning. Kind of the wild west back then as far as sparring went though, so I rolled the first day. I remember this really tall upper belt keeping me in his closed guard the whole time as I spazzed and wore myself out till I almost puked. SO glad he had control and that I didn't go against another spaz like myself or there could have been some damage done. Even though I had no business rolling, I was instantly hooked on improving, and my only goal was to learn to escape closed guard. So kind of a double-edge sword situation.
Instructors, also have a legal team review your waiver and make sure the student had been "kickout out" 15 minutes before he got injured. If you have students that might even think about suing drop them right now! Last thing. If you are even thinking about joining BJJ and aren't expecting to get injured, do everyone a favor and DON'T.
My first week I couldn’t understand x guard sweeping. A year later my superfight opponent (who won double bronze at AGF) couldn’t stop that sweep about 7 times in a row. Keep grinding yall
I can empathize with them, those are some of the same reasons I’m now a student at GU. The curriculum is set up so that a complete beginner can be eased into the program without feeling completely lost and overwhelmed and work their way up at their pace. Rener, Ryron and the rest of the instructors there are amazing! The way they teach and explain techniques is so thorough and easy to understand, even a knucklehead like myself can pick it up. They preach and teach safety first and I for one greatly appreciate that.
3rd degree BJJ black belt and I still don’t really know the X Guard lol! I remember being at a seminar with a bunch of white belts and the instructor was teaching how to escape the worm guard lol no one had a clue that day hahaha 😂
x guard has elements that are "basic" or foundational. elevating, standing up from underneath an opponent, moving someone around in many directions etc. if a white belt can make his partner post on his leg then many moves open up, one example of this is x guard. if a white belt can do this reliably then they got something from the class whether the entirety of the move can be hit on a resisting opponent or not.
This exactly! I get extremely tired of this “Self defense” vs “sport” as an understanding of how apply sport techniques, particularly the conceptual basis for the techniques (posture, connection, etc), then it’s easier to plug in the self defense niche stuff later. Like give me a solid wrestler from high school who understands the concepts and adding a few small details to defending against punches and he’ll be a lot further ahead than someone who just did the self defense curriculum for the same amount of total training time.
Completely fine to teach x guard to a drop-in beginner. Just explain the position, stick to the essentials, give a limited task to the newbie, simulated sparring only. X guard is basic stuff these days.
In general I agree with the concerns noted in this video, but not every academy is able to have beginner and advanced classes, particularly during the day time. For example, we have a morning class that has a rolling curriculum of positions and concepts, not dissimilar from the Master Cycle schedule that GU uses. We also have regular combatives modules in there. For example, we might do Open Guard, Half Guard, and Side Control followed by a three week block of combatives that revisits those same positions with strikes and weapons. Because it is an all levels class, new students jump into the curriculum where we are and we do our best to bring them along slowly. We try to take them to the side if we have enough upper belts there that day and work some basic stuff, but otherwise, we can't derail the entire curriculum in our open guard module for the 1 new student that shows up randomly. It will be 7 months or so until they see that content again, so if it is x guard on that day, then they are going to see x guard. Ideally, we would be able to have a beginners program during the day and night, but that isn't the reality of most schools.
if your a beginner and go to beginner class you will have way worse jiu jitsu than a beginner who goes to an all level class. Beginner classes only exist to cater to the people who are not mentally strong enough to do real jiu jitsu. It just for the gym owners to make more money. Its stupid doubly because white peoples are way more likely to get injured rolling with another stupid white belt because neither of them can control each other.
@@shrimuyopa8117 I don't believe that to be the case. I think it is more likely that he is simply not seeing that many schools are small schools run by people with other jobs or a combination of full time coaches and volunteers. Ideally, there would be beginner and advanced classes offered multiple times a day, but that is not always possible. We have a beginners curriculum, and advanced curriculum, and an all levels curriculum for the three different types of classes we have.
Years ago : new students came to the club, a higher degree black belt who was temporarily teaching was doing his x- de la riva - etc... guard stuff. The resident lower degree black belt takes the new students aside to teach them the basics (as he always does). The temporary black belt (higher in degree) , made him stop and ordered the new students to participate with the rest of us with all that whatever guard stuff. I was absolutely shocked. A high degree black belt, but absolutely no clue on which techniques are important at what time.
My Aikido Shinryukan experience: I'm a petite female, karateka with several decades of experience, decided to try aikido. On my second lesson an assistant instructor, a huge man (more than twice my body weight) with humongous forearms and hands (5 dan) performs shihonage in seiza on me locking my fingers at 90 degrees (you only do it if you want to cripple your opponent, the damage can be irreversible). I couldn't drive or write or anything for about a week, my wrists were badly bruised and swollen. Recovery took me a few months. He took particular dislike of me for being able to perform this technique on him successfully from the first attempt. Even a few months later I've been struggling to hold a focus mitt for my karate students ... Three years later my most affected wrist still doesn't feel the same as the other one.
The gym I go to is small and whatever they're teaching on any given day is what they teach. People can roll in their first class or not. It's up to them. Personally, I like it that way. Rolling in my first class is what hooked me and I wouldn't have been pleased at all if I had been told I couldn't.
I was in the same boat until I found a Gracie’s garage. It blew my mind the difference between the Gracie approach and the sport jiu jitsu approach that preached self defense at the front door. I’ve only been to two classes, but I’ve learned more USEFUL things in those two classes than eight months with sport Bjj. In sport, I was constantly Data dumping because I had to attend the intermediate class and it was so far over my head it was floating in space. Now I’m going to sign up for this Gracie garage already sufficient in three techniques. On a completely unrelated note, I want to be best buds with renner. He seems like the kind of guy who is not only easy to get along with, but he’ll have your back (figuratively and literally). Hit me up Renner!
I was at a school in San Antonio. The first day that I was there, I learned 2 GI chokes from the guard; a hip/bump sweep and elbow escape while mounted. The last 30 minutes were dedicated to rolling. We were suppose to work on what we learned. I was with another white belt. The white belt broke away from my guard; stood up and trapped my ankle under his armpit. He quickly dove onto his back. My ankle was in tremendous pain! I understood the concept of tapping out; but please, give me the chance to tap out. He exclaimed „Yes! I finally submitted someone with an ankle lock!“ Not cool! We shouldn’t have been sparring.
Well not every gym has enough students to do multiple classes. And you can drill a technique for 8 months without sparring, and I guarantee you that the guy who has trained a technique for one month and right from the start did positional training with an upper belt who is going to flow and help him learn the technique while going live, that student will easily be better than the first student who student who does not roll.
Excellent video. I respect and appreciate creators that understand the importance of making sure their audience is the main character of the story. I can relate with both of these gentleman, but I had a very amazing first day experience and am still with my incredible Professor and school at Rio Pro Brazil in Beachwood, OH. Always good to learn about all aspects of Jiu Jitsu.
A ton of schools have students learning the lesson of the day, it is not odd to learn random things on day one. Small schools tend to not have the number of students to offer more than a couple of classes a day. You need a foundation of enough students to be able to offer a class to learn the absolute core basics such as what guard, side control, mount, ECT. Some of those small schools tend to have like a "beginner class" right before the main class where they are learning 1-2 things based on the fundamentals, and maybe a weekend absolute, day one, know nothing class to go over thins like the basic positions. There are lots of schools around the country that have less than 30 students total and they do not all show up all on the same day, you might have 3-10 students total on the mats on any given day. The instructor probably has another job to make the ends meet as he tries to build the school up. You cant expect places to open up with 150+ students and have a daily beginners class.
Which one is true: A) They don't have beginner classes because they only have 30 students? OR B) They only have 30 students BECAUSE they don't have beginner classes?
Well when there is no structured curriculum, especially when white belts are being taught sport jiujitsu techniques that black belts use, with no self defense or realistic to a real fight foundation, most of the students are gonna be overwhelmed and they will come and go. That’s why they only have 30 students.
Skip the sob story .....there is no excuse to teach bjj in an unstructured inefficient way which will neither help in real-world nor on mat ..as you haven't developed a solid foundation. If students don't learn properly ..they will leave and the financial situation will worsen . Institute has less students ....is not a justification of poor training .If the instructor can't provide efficient bjj ..then s/he would have opened a Berger shop not a bjj school.
@@GracieBreakdown Lots of schools start from humble beginnings with part time teachers that have to work a full time job elsewhere to make ends meet and expand to be able to accommodate regular beginner classes, once they have enough students to supplement their income. Not every school is in a major city or has a big named affiliate, not everyone wants to wait 8+ months to begin to roll. Tournaments around the country have white belt divisions for a reason. That reason isn't because of your school having people never spar until they hit blue belt.
Rolling the first day isn't dangerous if the coach in charge makes it very clear it's a "flow roll". No muscle no competition just gaining positions holding guard and giving and taking positions / submissions . I wanted to train at Gracie and was put off by the fact that it took at least (what it seemed like) a year of paying an expensive membership to learn fundamentals without ever actually having a chance to spar or roll competitively or not . Nothing against Gracie , but it seems their charging extra for brand names like Luis Vuitton or Gucci for a product that is just as good in other places. If the coach allows sparring without fully explaining to students that we are here to learn from each other and not compete or win on one another then that's when I feel I'm in the wrong place and ego is much more likely to come out.
Yeah exactly. The new guys need to go with the higher belts who will basically flow with them and giving them resistance, and at the same time walk them through the technique they learned in the technique session. It Is a much quicker way to actually learn jiu-jitsu.
I go to Gracie-Carlson and it’s old school. I get it because a new person was starting the class and we were doing x-guard. To be honest a lot of people start but many quit. This school fits me because it’s tough and requires mental toughness. I’ve had people try to pull my head off my body. A guy who is super strong was crushing my head between his knees. Had multiple injuries but I fought through it all and it took 2 1/2 years to get my blue belt. It’s not for everyone but I love it. I also understand some people want to master these movements and these conversations have been had at the school. We just move from arm bar, shoulder crush, to triangles and never really getting the move down. I get it, I still get anxiety but when I go it’s like I’m fighting my own weaknesses. I also understand not everyone wants to be man handled. I’m glad there are old school jujitsu schools and new jujitsu schools that really focus on technique and understanding why these movements are done. Even though I’m a blue belt I still feel lost. I guess it’s those blue belt blues. Good luck finding the path that is right for you. OSS.
When I hear new people say that they get hurt every roll I immediately think that they are the problem, not their partners. If you run into one asshole in a day it’s probably them. If you run into multiple assholes, it’s probably you
We train at 570 Gracie NEPA and our coach Scott Diggs, starts lessons, (beginner or mixed level) with standing situations. We use the Gracie combative cards and start at lesson 1. Very structured and easy for beginner to come in and learn something that is necessary and effective on day one.
its not about being tough, that's your first mistake, you are going to burn out. Its about timing and presents, weight distribution, Rickson's invisible force. If you learn this then you don't have to be tough.
Quick story that matters to nobody but me. About a year ago I decide to make jiu jitsu my life. Mostly because of Rener and Ryron. The closest Gracie University CTC is 50 miles away so I try a local place first. Nothing about what I liked from Rener and Ryron's videos is evident at the place I go to. To make a long story short, I spend my first day learning Spider Guard and leave with bloody hands on account of all of the gi gripping. The atmosphere the professor gives off is one of fear. I hated it. So instead I commit to drive the 50 miles each way 4 days a week to a GU CTC so I can be properly trained. Only, two stripes in, the guy I was learning under, Teddy in Jacksonville NC decided to quit GU and sign up under Tom DeBlass instead, who, I know Rener knows and just had a conversation with in the last few days that was posted on this channel. My point is, with all due respect to Ted and no respect to Jonathan Uzcategui, who should have to fight/lose to Ryron 10x just on how he treats his students while representing the sport (he's not affiliated with GU, just to be clear), curriculum matters. Now, I won't get into the fact that the GU curriculum is busted at purple and above because by the time I'm a purple belt they'll likely have it figured out. Despite my own challenges with joining a GU CTC, I basically only believe in GU CTC's to provide adequate jiu jitsu instruction. I'm sure people like Ted DeBlass also have a decent curriculum but the majority of jiu jitsu gyms don't. Yes, GU still has ways to get its act together (and, ahem, if it matters Rener or Ryron I'd love to talk to you about creating a better support system for GU CTC owners, since I feel like I've had experience with a CTC that went south) but who doesn't? It's still the best way to learn jiu jitsu, bar none and the only shame about it is that there aren't 10x as many CTCs as exist at the moment.
Your mistake is you think getting good at jiu jitsu has anything to do with a "curriculum" that was a trick made up my gym owners to justify their existence and to trick dumb beginners like you who dont know any better.
Started at Gracie Barra in Houston. Great school. Amazing world class instructors. Solid fundamentals class. Had to leave after 2 months because my family and I got stationed in Mississippi. (Military). They don’t have a GB out here so I needed to look for another gym. Found one with 5 star reviews. 3rd degree black belt. I was expecting the classes to be similar like GB. It wasn’t at all. We started with warm ups for 15 min. Then we drilled a specific choke for 15. After that. The instructor tells us to grab our mouth pieces and get ready to roll. So I’m a fresh white belt about to go full on live training for the first time. I have no knowledge of take downs. No knowledge of any positions besides the basic ones I learned at Gracie Barra. Well the class is mostly upper belts that actively compete. I had to roll with them. I got got crushed. No chance. Submitted probably 20 times. We switched off partners every 5 minutes. For a total of 30 min. It was frustrating feeling helpless. I was thrown into the fire and literally drowned. I left that class sore and hurting. But I thought it was just how it was. Been there for 2 months now and I still feel lost. Anything I’ve learned is what I’ve learned on my own. Its a competition school so they do the whole trial and error learning. You get better by failing over and over again until you’re better. Learn from mistakes and correct them. That’s all fine and dandy for the young guys who are trying to compete and make this a lifestyle. Im 30. Medically retired from the military. Im not trying to compete at the highest levels. I recently had to take 2 weeks off because during a roll, another white belt smash my eye with his shoulder. My vision was blurry for a week. Their lack of fundamentals is concerning. They Chase submissions without any care. It’s frustrating to have to go through this trail of fire to improve. I feel like I’m teaching myself. I found a Gracie University school about 30 minutes away. So I am giving that a try this week. The structure, the emphasis on safety is what sold me. I’m trying to learn how to defend myself and learn the martial art. You can’t throw a medical student into the surgery room and expect him to figure it out. There has to be concepts and ideas learned before you can safely practice with other practitioners. Gracie University has the right idea. If you are so inclined to compete, at least get the fundamentals down before rolling with someone fully. It’s the safest way to ensure everyone gets what they want out of it. Hopefully this gym is right for me!
I have multiple views on this. Firstly it depends on the school. My first school had a defined curriculum for white belts and I was given a copy of it the very first day. That said, it didn’t start at the top. I came into the class and they were on lesson 10 or whatever that was a ground grappling technique. Self defence was on the curriculum and I knew that inside of the first 6 months that I would know that material, but it wasn’t separated from the rest of the curriculum. The school was a hybrid in a sense. Self defence, MMA, jiu jitsu competition, boxing, kickboxing and some people were just there as hobbyists. I loved it right from day 1. By the time I had trained for 2 years and took my blue belt test I had to know the self defence portion and know it cold. I also had to know pin escapes cold. That was 20 years ago. The gym I train in today is more competition and fight focused. There is no formal self defence training in the jiu jitsu classes. Instead of street jiu jitsu you learn to fight in a more modern MMA style. Jiu jitsu + kickboxing + wrestling and lots and lots of sparring. The thing is they don’t claim to be anything else. It says on the sign outside “Champions Gym” and they mean that. If you come to train here just keep coming and it’ll all make sense before long. That said I also took the Gracie Combatives course about 10 years ago. I found that it tied up some holes in my training that I didn’t know existed. The ideas surrounding distance management and punch blocks made a lot of the self defence stuff I already knew make more sense. I knew for example headlock escape techniques and bear hug escapes but was never taught how to close the distance and clinch. I also wrestled in high school though so for me it was something I kinda overlooked to an extent because I already posessed that skill. I realized that someone with no wrestling experience would be completely missing that element and there would be a big hole in their jiu jitsu game.
The only ting i would say is that we run a small school. myself and the owner both work full time and we run 3 jiu jitsu classes a week at night. there are students that have been training regularly and we have been working on guard retention and guard transitions. when new students come in to train we dont really have an option but to group them up with the other students that have been working the series of techniques for several weeks. what i try to do when a new student comes in and we are in the middle of some "curriculum" is just to take them aside and give them the context that those moves exist in, and for the first several weeks they observe, and then only roll with myself and the other instructors so we can introduce them slowly to rolling until they have an introductory understanding to all the positions and what to expect while rolling. some folks feel more comfortable jumping in to rolling faster than others. We would love to have the resources to be able to put together a beginners program like how Rener explained.
Nice! Yeah, I like to think white belt training should focus on responding to opponents in real life scenarios. While blue belt and above has more to do w bjj on bjj. Because, we ultimately don't need to train past that level.. That's more for those of us who make it a lifestyle. But, for any martial artist, beware! We tend to get lost in the art, lost in our culture and forget our purpose.
Probably best school to start with to gain knowledge about the fundamentals. But after a year or two goes by and someone decides to compete, they should probably train for points rather than self-defense.
I understand completely the idea of having curriculums and a system for ranking is awesome. I also kind of understand schools having a more competitive atmosphere. Good schools have both but not every school has the same needs. Just one guys opinion. For me I loved finding a school that only does no gi with lots of wrestling. It's more fun more athletic more competitive but that's just what I like.
I agree with that guy most schools do say they teach self defense but they don’t I agree Martial Arts schools that don’t teach it in general need to not say that
Can we get a Gracie breakdown on Kron Gracie vs Charles Jourdain. What happen there? I thought you told me Gracie Jujitsu was all you need to win a fight.
Sure…if scale allows for multiple level classes, that’s great. If scale does not allow for that in a given market or school, then you have to combine and make the best of it. Many (most?) people have survived and flourished in mixed level classes forever. Higher level blues often peel off as needed to cover newbies intro in many schools. It’s not one extreme or the other.
My first school wasted a year of my life. By the end of that year I didn't know the basics of a triangle choke. Instructor was a world-class athlete who had no idea how to teach, he just threw random ideas into classes, i.e. "deep half guard", and I had to google techniques and desperately try to build a guard game out of nothing.
Sparring on day 1 can be terrifying if you don’t know what your doing let alone the other person wants to rip your head off! Jiujitsu is more about focus and efficiency to the goal your want to achieve. In this case, self defense.
I basically teach new adults the same thing I teach new 5 year olds but with a different tone and no fun games lol. What the guard is, breakfalls, safe stand ups, distance, grips, level changes, wedges, frames. Go from letters, to words, to sentences, to stories. Don’t start with rolling back takes.
If you want to keep your customers, you need to do a comprehensive skeletal diagnostic analysis. They need to do aggressive dynamic stretching and activation for all joints and bones and muscles.... So they don't hurt some part of their body that was previously underdeveloped
99% of people want what Gracie University provides. Most people don’t know where to start when it comes to BJJ. They think it’s all the same. By allowing real testimony to surface, it gives the everyday layman insight on the difference between going to a gym structured around competition and going to a gym structured around self defense. Most people get into BJJ for self defense. Nothing he says about the other gyms is wrong. It’s truth. I’ve experienced it and so have many others. It’s not just Rener or Ryron that speak on these differences. Legends like Rickson speak to it as well. Are you going to really say Rickson is just saying things to promote this gym?
@@adamroberts2199 just like any BJJ gym will promote self defense when in reality it’s sports based. The owners of the gym know the vast majority of people who walk in aren’t going to be heavy competitors. 99% is my way of saying the vast majority. It’s a gimmick to say you teach self defense but really most of what is taught doesn’t apply to street fights. At least Gracie University teaches applicable self defense with punches thrown. Most BJJ gyms don’t do that at all. Only way BJJ gyms generate money now is if they have medals hanging from the wall when you walk in. Yea you may have won some competition, but for the everyday person, that isn’t impressive. It’s like Judo. Old school Judo incorporated standing and ground work for self defense. Now these new Judo schools only focus on competition IPPON throws and little to no self defense at all. BJJ is going the way of that now. Nothing wrong with wanting to teach the original purpose of BJJ before getting into the aspects of competition. I think that’s smarter and logical.
I imagine there are quite a few but I don’t know from personal experience. I’ve heard lots of good things about Jean Jacques Machado BJJ in Woodland Hills. I believe they’re geared more towards competition/sport BJJ though.
I'd like to hear the views of good level colour belts who have moved to Gracie University from other gyms or is it just beginner white belts that have made the move over and have these stories.
I know people who have gone the other way; from a Gracie University garage (or whatever they’re called) to my academy… and they were terrible compared to the time they’d been training.
@@RobJT that was me. I was a combatives belt and got thrashed on by everyone including 0 stripe white belts, I ended up signing up that same day and leaving my gracie ctc. “Sports” white belts feel like self defense blue belts
Hi, what do you do with a student that’s been training in another school and let’s say he’s a blue or purple belt and wants to train with your school, do you start them also with Gracie combatives?
Because people with lives, jobs and family don’t spend their time on UA-cam and internet all day. “Rolling” is a unique term to BJJ and to fully understand what it means, you have to be exposed to it. Not a hard concept to understand
I agree with alot of these points, but this seems like just lowballing and shitting on other schools, especially after all that happened past couple of weeks
That's what it is. It's why he gets such a backlash from people. He has every right to market himself and his business in any way he wants though 🤷🏻♂️.
Or am I giving away free advice that could completely transform the success of any BJJ school that has the wisdom to listen to what these guys are saying?
@@GracieBreakdown like I said, I agree with alot of what you’re saying here, its just that its coming across as something that’s gonna rub people the wrong way. I hope gyms would take up some of these advice but in reality they don’t have the resources as you guys have to structure their gyms your way..lack of scheduled time, manpower, students, space
@@GracieBreakdown I saw a BJJ school in my area that teaches BJJ like any other school but they also run a 6 week beginners course. Which reminds me of Gracie Combatives. This way total newbies can really understand the concepts better, before they head into the normal usual BJJ classes. I think this is what you mean by schools taking it in a positive way and making newcomers feel safe. Instead of schools getting all defensive and upset about this 'betrayal'. 😊
Not likely. I was filming martial arts videos for one of the guests since the late 90's. They are beginners to this school, but have a lifelong relationship with martial arts.
@@xkidmidnightx first off if I master the basics I’m better than most already. I’m not a pro BJJ guy it’s not how I feed my family. Also the system keeps going lol it just starts in a way beginners can understand. “Just keep showing up” model doesn’t work. Spend any time in the school like this and you will see the turnover rate is tremendous.
@@KevinDeVriesbjj The innovation of American Jiu-jitsu is amazing but its not for the street its for sport . There is a huge difference between GJJ and Sport BJJ. I would rather be like Roger Gracie. He never used the fancy stuff he used the basic stuff to perfection and choked the hell out of everybody with the same choke. Quality over quantity. Peace
I had a similar experience only worse. After watching a few of Rener and Ryron's videos years ago I was intrigued and curious. Not knowing any better, I went to a random school full of excitement to learn self-defense. The very first thing they asked me to participate in-with ZERO experience and NO lessons was King of the Mat. I decided to watch for a few minutes and saw this super aggressive guy (later found out he was a purple belt) ABUSING dudes and actually trying to hurt them. Dude was actually picking up guys that he was in their guard and slamming them on the mat!!! I passed. So glad I found Gracie Jiu-Jitsu!!!
I trained under a Rickson-affiliated school starting back in 2005. We had a beginner side and an advanced side of the class which was great for learning. Kind of the wild west back then as far as sparring went though, so I rolled the first day. I remember this really tall upper belt keeping me in his closed guard the whole time as I spazzed and wore myself out till I almost puked. SO glad he had control and that I didn't go against another spaz like myself or there could have been some damage done. Even though I had no business rolling, I was instantly hooked on improving, and my only goal was to learn to escape closed guard. So kind of a double-edge sword situation.
Theres no harm sparring early but it should be with a higher belt who goes easy. Isolated sparring would be better though.
Great on the higher belt for not smashing you, it should be standard for the higher belts to look out for new guys' safety
thats exactly why belts were developed at the Kodkan in Judo, 100+ sturdents, just a way to separate beginner from someone training a while
Instructors, if your student gets injured, you lose their money. Protect your students. It’s not complicated.
Instructors, also have a legal team review your waiver and make sure the student had been "kickout out" 15 minutes before he got injured. If you have students that might even think about suing drop them right now!
Last thing. If you are even thinking about joining BJJ and aren't expecting to get injured, do everyone a favor and DON'T.
My first week I couldn’t understand x guard sweeping. A year later my superfight opponent (who won double bronze at AGF) couldn’t stop that sweep about 7 times in a row. Keep grinding yall
You swept 7 times? Learn some top control damn! 😂
I can empathize with them, those are some of the same reasons I’m now a student at GU. The curriculum is set up so that a complete beginner can be eased into the program without feeling completely lost and overwhelmed and work their way up at their pace. Rener, Ryron and the rest of the instructors there are amazing! The way they teach and explain techniques is so thorough and easy to understand, even a knucklehead like myself can pick it up. They preach and teach safety first and I for one greatly appreciate that.
3rd degree BJJ black belt and I still don’t really know the X Guard lol! I remember being at a seminar with a bunch of white belts and the instructor was teaching how to escape the worm guard lol no one had a clue that day hahaha 😂
Thats why most seminars are useless
@justinmo I feel like a normal person again after reading your comment 😃
23 years of BJJ and I don't know X-guard, worm guard, or anything sport related. Thats not what I teach and not why I started BJJ.
x guard has elements that are "basic" or foundational. elevating, standing up from underneath an opponent, moving someone around in many directions etc. if a white belt can make his partner post on his leg then many moves open up, one example of this is x guard. if a white belt can do this reliably then they got something from the class whether the entirety of the move can be hit on a resisting opponent or not.
This exactly! I get extremely tired of this “Self defense” vs “sport” as an understanding of how apply sport techniques, particularly the conceptual basis for the techniques (posture, connection, etc), then it’s easier to plug in the self defense niche stuff later. Like give me a solid wrestler from high school who understands the concepts and adding a few small details to defending against punches and he’ll be a lot further ahead than someone who just did the self defense curriculum for the same amount of total training time.
Completely fine to teach x guard to a drop-in beginner. Just explain the position, stick to the essentials, give a limited task to the newbie, simulated sparring only. X guard is basic stuff these days.
In general I agree with the concerns noted in this video, but not every academy is able to have beginner and advanced classes, particularly during the day time. For example, we have a morning class that has a rolling curriculum of positions and concepts, not dissimilar from the Master Cycle schedule that GU uses. We also have regular combatives modules in there. For example, we might do Open Guard, Half Guard, and Side Control followed by a three week block of combatives that revisits those same positions with strikes and weapons. Because it is an all levels class, new students jump into the curriculum where we are and we do our best to bring them along slowly. We try to take them to the side if we have enough upper belts there that day and work some basic stuff, but otherwise, we can't derail the entire curriculum in our open guard module for the 1 new student that shows up randomly. It will be 7 months or so until they see that content again, so if it is x guard on that day, then they are going to see x guard.
Ideally, we would be able to have a beginners program during the day and night, but that isn't the reality of most schools.
if your a beginner and go to beginner class you will have way worse jiu jitsu than a beginner who goes to an all level class. Beginner classes only exist to cater to the people who are not mentally strong enough to do real jiu jitsu. It just for the gym owners to make more money. Its stupid doubly because white peoples are way more likely to get injured rolling with another stupid white belt because neither of them can control each other.
@@biggooba6706 lol, no you won't. Beginners classes focus on fundamentals. Fundamentals will get you further than the advanced techniques.
@@Ebenezer563 there is no such thing as fundemental and advanced techniques there are only different tools for different jobs.
@@shrimuyopa8117 I don't believe that to be the case. I think it is more likely that he is simply not seeing that many schools are small schools run by people with other jobs or a combination of full time coaches and volunteers. Ideally, there would be beginner and advanced classes offered multiple times a day, but that is not always possible. We have a beginners curriculum, and advanced curriculum, and an all levels curriculum for the three different types of classes we have.
@@biggooba6706 of course there are. An armbar is fundamental, a gogoplata is not. Half guard is fundamental, squid guard is not.
I've always faulted BJJ schools for not having a curriculum. I think that's incredibly important, especially if you are going to be ranking people.
Years ago : new students came to the club, a higher degree black belt who was temporarily teaching was doing his x- de la riva - etc... guard stuff. The resident lower degree black belt takes the new students aside to teach them the basics (as he always does).
The temporary black belt (higher in degree) , made him stop and ordered the new students to participate with the rest of us with all that whatever guard stuff.
I was absolutely shocked. A high degree black belt, but absolutely no clue on which techniques are important at what time.
My Aikido Shinryukan experience: I'm a petite female, karateka with several decades of experience, decided to try aikido. On my second lesson an assistant instructor, a huge man (more than twice my body weight) with humongous forearms and hands (5 dan) performs shihonage in seiza on me locking my fingers at 90 degrees (you only do it if you want to cripple your opponent, the damage can be irreversible). I couldn't drive or write or anything for about a week, my wrists were badly bruised and swollen. Recovery took me a few months. He took particular dislike of me for being able to perform this technique on him successfully from the first attempt. Even a few months later I've been struggling to hold a focus mitt for my karate students ... Three years later my most affected wrist still doesn't feel the same as the other one.
For the record I learned some Aikido from Daniel in this video, and he's always had this mindset of focus and safety first.
The gym I go to is small and whatever they're teaching on any given day is what they teach. People can roll in their first class or not. It's up to them. Personally, I like it that way. Rolling in my first class is what hooked me and I wouldn't have been pleased at all if I had been told I couldn't.
I was in the same boat until I found a Gracie’s garage. It blew my mind the difference between the Gracie approach and the sport jiu jitsu approach that preached self defense at the front door. I’ve only been to two classes, but I’ve learned more USEFUL things in those two classes than eight months with sport Bjj. In sport, I was constantly Data dumping because I had to attend the intermediate class and it was so far over my head it was floating in space. Now I’m going to sign up for this Gracie garage already sufficient in three techniques.
On a completely unrelated note,
I want to be best buds with renner. He seems like the kind of guy who is not only easy to get along with, but he’ll have your back (figuratively and literally). Hit me up Renner!
I was at a school in San Antonio. The first day that I was there, I learned 2 GI chokes from the guard; a hip/bump sweep and elbow escape while mounted.
The last 30 minutes were dedicated to rolling. We were suppose to work on what we learned. I was with another white belt.
The white belt broke away from my guard; stood up and trapped my ankle under his armpit. He quickly dove onto his back. My ankle was in tremendous pain! I understood the concept of tapping out; but please, give me the chance to tap out. He exclaimed „Yes! I finally submitted someone with an ankle lock!“ Not cool! We shouldn’t have been sparring.
Well not every gym has enough students to do multiple classes. And you can drill a technique for 8 months without sparring, and I guarantee you that the guy who has trained a technique for one month and right from the start did positional training with an upper belt who is going to flow and help him learn the technique while going live, that student will easily be better than the first student who student who does not roll.
Another greatand very informative video Rener, please keep them going!💯
Excellent video. I respect and appreciate creators that understand the importance of making sure their audience is the main character of the story. I can relate with both of these gentleman, but I had a very amazing first day experience and am still with my incredible Professor and school at Rio Pro Brazil in Beachwood, OH. Always good to learn about all aspects of Jiu Jitsu.
A ton of schools have students learning the lesson of the day, it is not odd to learn random things on day one. Small schools tend to not have the number of students to offer more than a couple of classes a day. You need a foundation of enough students to be able to offer a class to learn the absolute core basics such as what guard, side control, mount, ECT. Some of those small schools tend to have like a "beginner class" right before the main class where they are learning 1-2 things based on the fundamentals, and maybe a weekend absolute, day one, know nothing class to go over thins like the basic positions.
There are lots of schools around the country that have less than 30 students total and they do not all show up all on the same day, you might have 3-10 students total on the mats on any given day. The instructor probably has another job to make the ends meet as he tries to build the school up. You cant expect places to open up with 150+ students and have a daily beginners class.
Which one is true:
A) They don't have beginner classes because they only have 30 students?
OR
B) They only have 30 students BECAUSE they don't have beginner classes?
Well when there is no structured curriculum, especially when white belts are being taught sport jiujitsu techniques that black belts use, with no self defense or realistic to a real fight foundation, most of the students are gonna be overwhelmed and they will come and go. That’s why they only have 30 students.
Thank god I saw this I was going to sign up at checkmat.That would have been a mistake.
Skip the sob story .....there is no excuse to teach bjj in an unstructured inefficient way which will neither help in real-world nor on mat ..as you haven't developed a solid foundation.
If students don't learn properly ..they will leave and the financial situation will worsen .
Institute has less students ....is not a justification of poor training .If the instructor can't provide efficient bjj ..then s/he would have opened a Berger shop not a bjj school.
@@GracieBreakdown Lots of schools start from humble beginnings with part time teachers that have to work a full time job elsewhere to make ends meet and expand to be able to accommodate regular beginner classes, once they have enough students to supplement their income.
Not every school is in a major city or has a big named affiliate, not everyone wants to wait 8+ months to begin to roll. Tournaments around the country have white belt divisions for a reason. That reason isn't because of your school having people never spar until they hit blue belt.
Rolling the first day isn't dangerous if the coach in charge makes it very clear it's a "flow roll". No muscle no competition just gaining positions holding guard and giving and taking positions / submissions . I wanted to train at Gracie and was put off by the fact that it took at least (what it seemed like) a year of paying an expensive membership to learn fundamentals without ever actually having a chance to spar or roll competitively or not . Nothing against Gracie , but it seems their charging extra for brand names like Luis Vuitton or Gucci for a product that is just as good in other places. If the coach allows sparring without fully explaining to students that we are here to learn from each other and not compete or win on one another then that's when I feel I'm in the wrong place and ego is much more likely to come out.
Yeah exactly. The new guys need to go with the higher belts who will basically flow with them and giving them resistance, and at the same time walk them through the technique they learned in the technique session. It Is a much quicker way to actually learn jiu-jitsu.
Combatives includes a restricted form of sparring.
I go to Gracie-Carlson and it’s old school. I get it because a new person was starting the class and we were doing x-guard. To be honest a lot of people start but many quit. This school fits me because it’s tough and requires mental toughness. I’ve had people try to pull my head off my body. A guy who is super strong was crushing my head between his knees. Had multiple injuries but I fought through it all and it took 2 1/2 years to get my blue belt. It’s not for everyone but I love it. I also understand some people want to master these movements and these conversations have been had at the school. We just move from arm bar, shoulder crush, to triangles and never really getting the move down. I get it, I still get anxiety but when I go it’s like I’m fighting my own weaknesses. I also understand not everyone wants to be man handled. I’m glad there are old school jujitsu schools and new jujitsu schools that really focus on technique and understanding why these movements are done. Even though I’m a blue belt I still feel lost. I guess it’s those blue belt blues. Good luck finding the path that is right for you. OSS.
well sounds like your not a complete pussy
You seem weak
When I hear new people say that they get hurt every roll I immediately think that they are the problem, not their partners. If you run into one asshole in a day it’s probably them. If you run into multiple assholes, it’s probably you
That comment about wasting time - that's exactly it. A studio with no curriculum is just a waste of time
We train at 570 Gracie NEPA and our coach Scott Diggs, starts lessons, (beginner or mixed level) with standing situations. We use the Gracie combative cards and start at lesson 1. Very structured and easy for beginner to come in and learn something that is necessary and effective on day one.
I went to another Jiu jitsu school before I went to Gracie jiu jitsu. I'm glad I did, because the 1st school I went to made me super tough.
its not about being tough, that's your first mistake, you are going to burn out. Its about timing and presents, weight distribution, Rickson's invisible force. If you learn this then you don't have to be tough.
Same here. Got DLR and X in the first class
Does middle dude know he's wearing lapels as he's sat there?🤔😆😆
Quick story that matters to nobody but me. About a year ago I decide to make jiu jitsu my life. Mostly because of Rener and Ryron. The closest Gracie University CTC is 50 miles away so I try a local place first. Nothing about what I liked from Rener and Ryron's videos is evident at the place I go to. To make a long story short, I spend my first day learning Spider Guard and leave with bloody hands on account of all of the gi gripping. The atmosphere the professor gives off is one of fear. I hated it. So instead I commit to drive the 50 miles each way 4 days a week to a GU CTC so I can be properly trained. Only, two stripes in, the guy I was learning under, Teddy in Jacksonville NC decided to quit GU and sign up under Tom DeBlass instead, who, I know Rener knows and just had a conversation with in the last few days that was posted on this channel. My point is, with all due respect to Ted and no respect to Jonathan Uzcategui, who should have to fight/lose to Ryron 10x just on how he treats his students while representing the sport (he's not affiliated with GU, just to be clear), curriculum matters.
Now, I won't get into the fact that the GU curriculum is busted at purple and above because by the time I'm a purple belt they'll likely have it figured out. Despite my own challenges with joining a GU CTC, I basically only believe in GU CTC's to provide adequate jiu jitsu instruction. I'm sure people like Ted DeBlass also have a decent curriculum but the majority of jiu jitsu gyms don't. Yes, GU still has ways to get its act together (and, ahem, if it matters Rener or Ryron I'd love to talk to you about creating a better support system for GU CTC owners, since I feel like I've had experience with a CTC that went south) but who doesn't? It's still the best way to learn jiu jitsu, bar none and the only shame about it is that there aren't 10x as many CTCs as exist at the moment.
Your mistake is you think getting good at jiu jitsu has anything to do with a "curriculum" that was a trick made up my gym owners to justify their existence and to trick dumb beginners like you who dont know any better.
Started at Gracie Barra in Houston. Great school. Amazing world class instructors. Solid fundamentals class. Had to leave after 2 months because my family and I got stationed in Mississippi. (Military). They don’t have a GB out here so I needed to look for another gym. Found one with 5 star reviews. 3rd degree black belt. I was expecting the classes to be similar like GB. It wasn’t at all. We started with warm ups for 15 min. Then we drilled a specific choke for 15. After that. The instructor tells us to grab our mouth pieces and get ready to roll. So I’m a fresh white belt about to go full on live training for the first time. I have no knowledge of take downs. No knowledge of any positions besides the basic ones I learned at Gracie Barra.
Well the class is mostly upper belts that actively compete. I had to roll with them. I got got crushed. No chance. Submitted probably 20 times. We switched off partners every 5 minutes. For a total of 30 min. It was frustrating feeling helpless. I was thrown into the fire and literally drowned. I left that class sore and hurting. But I thought it was just how it was. Been there for 2 months now and I still feel lost. Anything I’ve learned is what I’ve learned on my own. Its a competition school so they do the whole trial and error learning. You get better by failing over and over again until you’re better. Learn from mistakes and correct them. That’s all fine and dandy for the young guys who are trying to compete and make this a lifestyle. Im 30. Medically retired from the military. Im not trying to compete at the highest levels.
I recently had to take 2 weeks off because during a roll, another white belt smash my eye with his shoulder. My vision was blurry for a week. Their lack of fundamentals is concerning. They Chase submissions without any care. It’s frustrating to have to go through this trail of fire to improve. I feel like I’m teaching myself.
I found a Gracie University school about 30 minutes away. So I am giving that a try this week. The structure, the emphasis on safety is what sold me. I’m trying to learn how to defend myself and learn the martial art. You can’t throw a medical student into the surgery room and expect him to figure it out. There has to be concepts and ideas learned before you can safely practice with other practitioners. Gracie University has the right idea. If you are so inclined to compete, at least get the fundamentals down before rolling with someone fully. It’s the safest way to ensure everyone gets what they want out of it. Hopefully this gym is right for me!
I have multiple views on this. Firstly it depends on the school. My first school had a defined curriculum for white belts and I was given a copy of it the very first day. That said, it didn’t start at the top. I came into the class and they were on lesson 10 or whatever that was a ground grappling technique. Self defence was on the curriculum and I knew that inside of the first 6 months that I would know that material, but it wasn’t separated from the rest of the curriculum. The school was a hybrid in a sense. Self defence, MMA, jiu jitsu competition, boxing, kickboxing and some people were just there as hobbyists. I loved it right from day 1. By the time I had trained for 2 years and took my blue belt test I had to know the self defence portion and know it cold. I also had to know pin escapes cold.
That was 20 years ago. The gym I train in today is more competition and fight focused. There is no formal self defence training in the jiu jitsu classes. Instead of street jiu jitsu you learn to fight in a more modern MMA style. Jiu jitsu + kickboxing + wrestling and lots and lots of sparring. The thing is they don’t claim to be anything else. It says on the sign outside “Champions Gym” and they mean that. If you come to train here just keep coming and it’ll all make sense before long.
That said I also took the Gracie Combatives course about 10 years ago. I found that it tied up some holes in my training that I didn’t know existed. The ideas surrounding distance management and punch blocks made a lot of the self defence stuff I already knew make more sense. I knew for example headlock escape techniques and bear hug escapes but was never taught how to close the distance and clinch. I also wrestled in high school though so for me it was something I kinda overlooked to an extent because I already posessed that skill. I realized that someone with no wrestling experience would be completely missing that element and there would be a big hole in their jiu jitsu game.
The only ting i would say is that we run a small school. myself and the owner both work full time and we run 3 jiu jitsu classes a week at night. there are students that have been training regularly and we have been working on guard retention and guard transitions. when new students come in to train we dont really have an option but to group them up with the other students that have been working the series of techniques for several weeks.
what i try to do when a new student comes in and we are in the middle of some "curriculum" is just to take them aside and give them the context that those moves exist in, and for the first several weeks they observe, and then only roll with myself and the other instructors so we can introduce them slowly to rolling until they have an introductory understanding to all the positions and what to expect while rolling. some folks feel more comfortable jumping in to rolling faster than others. We would love to have the resources to be able to put together a beginners program like how Rener explained.
Nice! Yeah, I like to think white belt training should focus on responding to opponents in real life scenarios. While blue belt and above has more to do w bjj on bjj. Because, we ultimately don't need to train past that level.. That's more for those of us who make it a lifestyle. But, for any martial artist, beware! We tend to get lost in the art, lost in our culture and forget our purpose.
Probably best school to start with to gain knowledge about the fundamentals. But after a year or two goes by and someone decides to compete, they should probably train for points rather than self-defense.
I understand completely the idea of having curriculums and a system for ranking is awesome. I also kind of understand schools having a more competitive atmosphere. Good schools have both but not every school has the same needs. Just one guys opinion. For me I loved finding a school that only does no gi with lots of wrestling. It's more fun more athletic more competitive but that's just what I like.
I agree with that guy most schools do say they teach self defense but they don’t I agree Martial Arts schools that don’t teach it in general need to not say that
Can we get a Gracie breakdown on Kron Gracie vs Charles Jourdain. What happen there? I thought you told me Gracie Jujitsu was all you need to win a fight.
Sure…if scale allows for multiple level classes, that’s great. If scale does not allow for that in a given market or school, then you have to combine and make the best of it.
Many (most?) people have survived and flourished in mixed level classes forever. Higher level blues often peel off as needed to cover newbies intro in many schools.
It’s not one extreme or the other.
Been there, done that. First day was learning a couple "Spider Guard" sweeps.
Because there is no beginner class and the coach wasnt a good teacher
My first school wasted a year of my life. By the end of that year I didn't know the basics of a triangle choke. Instructor was a world-class athlete who had no idea how to teach, he just threw random ideas into classes, i.e. "deep half guard", and I had to google techniques and desperately try to build a guard game out of nothing.
X-guard on day 1 is an industry standard.
Sparring on day 1 can be terrifying if you don’t know what your doing let alone the other person wants to rip your head off! Jiujitsu is more about focus and efficiency to the goal your want to achieve. In this case, self defense.
I basically teach new adults the same thing I teach new 5 year olds but with a different tone and no fun games lol. What the guard is, breakfalls, safe stand ups, distance, grips, level changes, wedges, frames. Go from letters, to words, to sentences, to stories. Don’t start with rolling back takes.
Just common sense really. Amazing that a video has to made and people argue about it.
been trying to do gracie jujitsu with my dad and family but we never have time 😢
Sorry about that bro. 😔 If you want you can do the video lessons online if you have someone you can train with.
If you want to keep your customers, you need to do a comprehensive skeletal diagnostic analysis. They need to do aggressive dynamic stretching and activation for all joints and bones and muscles.... So they don't hurt some part of their body that was previously underdeveloped
lmao
Cutting other gyms down in an attempt to make you look better is weak
99% of people want what Gracie University provides. Most people don’t know where to start when it comes to BJJ. They think it’s all the same. By allowing real testimony to surface, it gives the everyday layman insight on the difference between going to a gym structured around competition and going to a gym structured around self defense. Most people get into BJJ for self defense. Nothing he says about the other gyms is wrong. It’s truth. I’ve experienced it and so have many others. It’s not just Rener or Ryron that speak on these differences. Legends like Rickson speak to it as well. Are you going to really say Rickson is just saying things to promote this gym?
@@MrOblivionssin you missed my point. 99% is a made up number. Yes I believe legends like rickson says things to promote his brand and generate money.
@@adamroberts2199 just like any BJJ gym will promote self defense when in reality it’s sports based. The owners of the gym know the vast majority of people who walk in aren’t going to be heavy competitors. 99% is my way of saying the vast majority. It’s a gimmick to say you teach self defense but really most of what is taught doesn’t apply to street fights. At least Gracie University teaches applicable self defense with punches thrown. Most BJJ gyms don’t do that at all. Only way BJJ gyms generate money now is if they have medals hanging from the wall when you walk in. Yea you may have won some competition, but for the everyday person, that isn’t impressive. It’s like Judo. Old school Judo incorporated standing and ground work for self defense. Now these new Judo schools only focus on competition IPPON throws and little to no self defense at all. BJJ is going the way of that now. Nothing wrong with wanting to teach the original purpose of BJJ before getting into the aspects of competition. I think that’s smarter and logical.
Question ! Is 61 years old , too old to learn jujitsu ?
Stay hard!
I wish there’s a GA here.
My Shidoshi.
Same, day one, and was learning X guard, and I was like😒
yeh thats real jiu jitsu pulling guard is real jiu jitsu if you dont want to learn bjj do something else with your time then?
X guard on day 01. Oh my God!
Ikr!
is x guard supposed to be comlicated? Its not very hard to understand
@@biggooba6706 Nothing is complicated at certain levels.
@@sanethmarthos6596That phrase has a lot of applications in life
Just curious, are there any sport BJJ schools you'd consider reputable and having a good system? I know it's a case by case basis.
I imagine there are quite a few but I don’t know from personal experience. I’ve heard lots of good things about Jean Jacques Machado BJJ in Woodland Hills. I believe they’re geared more towards competition/sport BJJ though.
I think you should call it the "ki" guard. Right? That's sounds more intimidating. IYKYK
i had de la riva day 1
I'd like to hear the views of good level colour belts who have moved to Gracie University from other gyms or is it just beginner white belts that have made the move over and have these stories.
I know people who have gone the other way; from a Gracie University garage (or whatever they’re called) to my academy… and they were terrible compared to the time they’d been training.
@@RobJT Yeah I have heard the same.
@@RobJT that was me. I was a combatives belt and got thrashed on by everyone including 0 stripe white belts, I ended up signing up that same day and leaving my gracie ctc. “Sports” white belts feel like self defense blue belts
I learned x guard on day 1 as well lmaoo
Hi, what do you do with a student that’s been training in another school and let’s say he’s a blue or purple belt and wants to train with your school, do you start them also with Gracie combatives?
Of course, they won't have done combatives at their other school.
To start bjj and not know the term “rolling” doesn’t make sense to me.
UA-cam and the internet have been around for a while…
why would someone randomly be looking at "rolling" videos on youtube?
Because people with lives, jobs and family don’t spend their time on UA-cam and internet all day. “Rolling” is a unique term to BJJ and to fully understand what it means, you have to be exposed to it. Not a hard concept to understand
Dude just train it’s not that deep lmao
I agree with alot of these points, but this seems like just lowballing and shitting on other schools, especially after all that happened past couple of weeks
That's what it is. It's why he gets such a backlash from people. He has every right to market himself and his business in any way he wants though 🤷🏻♂️.
Or am I giving away free advice that could completely transform the success of any BJJ school that has the wisdom to listen to what these guys are saying?
@@GracieBreakdown like I said, I agree with alot of what you’re saying here, its just that its coming across as something that’s gonna rub people the wrong way. I hope gyms would take up some of these advice but in reality they don’t have the resources as you guys have to structure their gyms your way..lack of scheduled time, manpower, students, space
@@GracieBreakdown I saw a BJJ school in my area that teaches BJJ like any other school but they also run a 6 week beginners course. Which reminds me of Gracie Combatives. This way total newbies can really understand the concepts better, before they head into the normal usual BJJ classes. I think this is what you mean by schools taking it in a positive way and making newcomers feel safe. Instead of schools getting all defensive and upset about this 'betrayal'. 😊
Who cares 90% of the beginners quit anyway Gracie JJ or not.These guys will quit eventually.
lmao fax
Not likely. I was filming martial arts videos for one of the guests since the late 90's. They are beginners to this school, but have a lifelong relationship with martial arts.
Ok 🤡s
😂😂😂 and some instrutcors thinks this is normal.
should be normal
🥰😁💝👌🤩💞
Inverted rolling from leg to leg drill day 1... Why I’ll never leave Gracie schools.
Because you never want to get better?
because you never want to get good at jiu jitsu and stay a shitter?
@@xkidmidnightx first off if I master the basics I’m better than most already. I’m not a pro BJJ guy it’s not how I feed my family. Also the system keeps going lol it just starts in a way beginners can understand. “Just keep showing up” model doesn’t work. Spend any time in the school like this and you will see the turnover rate is tremendous.
@@fluffyrider9467 how is something like x guard any less basic than closed guard?
@@xkidmidnightx ❤
Gracie Barra takes the cake on this one 👎
GU > GB
GJJ > BJJ
@@KevinDeVriesbjj the fuck is that its called bjj end of story
@@KevinDeVriesbjj The innovation of American Jiu-jitsu is amazing but its not for the street its for sport . There is a huge difference between GJJ and Sport BJJ. I would rather be like Roger Gracie. He never used the fancy stuff he used the basic stuff to perfection and choked the hell out of everybody with the same choke. Quality over quantity. Peace
@@KevinDeVriesbjj How can you water-down something when it's the original?
I had a similar experience only worse. After watching a few of Rener and Ryron's videos years ago I was intrigued and curious. Not knowing any better, I went to a random school full of excitement to learn self-defense. The very first thing they asked me to participate in-with ZERO experience and NO lessons was King of the Mat. I decided to watch for a few minutes and saw this super aggressive guy (later found out he was a purple belt) ABUSING dudes and actually trying to hurt them. Dude was actually picking up guys that he was in their guard and slamming them on the mat!!! I passed. So glad I found Gracie Jiu-Jitsu!!!
Some people are REALLY GOOD at SOMETHING
THOSE same people are REALLY BAD at teaching.