How to Kill Unitarian Christianity - by Dr. Dale Tuggy
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- Опубліковано 3 кві 2020
- Dr. Dale Tuggy speaks to an audience in Arkansas regarding biblical unitarianism. He focuses particularly on the Congregationalist Churches in America during colonial times and later in the States. Dale tells us about the rise of unitarianism among congregationalist churches and why the movement slowed and eventually faded. Dale also talks about his optimism regarding biblical unitarianism in the 21st Century.
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As a matter of fact the majority is usually wrong in the area of religion. Being the Trinitarian majority doesn't prove its right.
Appeal to majority is a fallacy.
Quite frankly, I think that with the amount of monotheistic and non monotheistic religions (Unitarians / Arians alike) around the world that don’t hold to the Trinity belief, i.e Jehovah’s Witnesses , Mormons, United Church of God, Christian Science, Muslims, Pentecostals, and so many others, they far exceed the amount of believers of the triune God, Who is the Echad God , who reveals Himself through 3 Persons.
Making Trinitarians the minority.
With that said, I believe Jehovah as a God of order not confusion, will use us as vessels to ensure a declaration is made to all so that we all know for sure. He is in control and we should always remember this.
@@adechalus Echad means numerical 1. United or together would be Yachad not to be confused with Yachid (alone). So no the triune god isn't Echad in truth only in error. Also if you read the bible GOD reveals himself through more than simply 3 persons even bushes(moses) and angels as his name literally means I will be who I will be.
@@incorruptibleword4513 In the shema the God of Israel is echad- Deuteronomy 6:4 ,
This simply means one ☝🏽 like
one car, one house, one family, one nation.. etc
We see that ‘Echad’ has a spectrum of meanings according to Hebrew Bible.
In Genesis 2:24 ‘Echad’ refers to the act of marriage. We see that man is binded to the woman in marriage and become echad flesh.
By this we learn that Echad is referring to one ☝🏽 compound unity. One flesh yet two separate persons. So echad refers to the nexus that binds all into one.
So it’s a matter of interpretation when we read that God is ☝🏽. One what? Being , Person, ? This verse in it self doesn’t make that clear. We just know He’s One God.
We need context to reveal who all is called God in the Bible so we can understand that God is one compound unity with the Father, Son, and Spirit.
The Bible is clear that God’s glory , wisdom, power, and very charakter is ONLY revealed through the Son. Not angels or men.
(Hebrews 1:1-10)
@@adechalus Yes I have heard that same opinion to justify a doctrine many a time over passed from priest to pastor but I'm afraid I find it a stretch of scripture. You just said echad is open to interpretation and that is the interpretation of the Catholic Church, however the word for together like a unity is YACHAD as I stated. Two becoming one in the case of marriage which as you are aware is figurative. A man and wife don't actually become the same being. I do not think the shema is written figuratively but literally in its context. In order to let Israel know there God was not a plurality or patheon which was the prevalent belief of the land at that time.
The main problem I have usually found in Unitarian Christianity is the excessive intellectualism that reigns in the movement. It seems to be a group almost exclusively focused on theological debate, with a notorious lack of spirituality. Most groups I have found (Facebook) are full of people so eager to debate that, in the absence of trinitarians around, they pic anything other member may say to show off 'exposing' his/her ignorance, denounce the heresy, and demanding repentance (a recurring practice), even when the other person had just shared a Biblical passage with some edifying intention. What was finally discouraging for me was to see that, among the most active and vociferous members of these groups, there are many who claim that not believing that the earth is flat and not older than 6000 years is a denial of the inerrancy of Scriptures. I don't have a problem if people believe that, but it is definitely a problem when they want to impose such beliefs over the rest...
We are "Biblical" Unitarians. We pick this name to really distinguish ourselves from the mass of other unitarians out there.
Secondly, in my opinion, what you've described is a human being and Christian problem, not just a Unitarian problem. I have seen that behavior everywhere, in all types of churches and groups.
You are right though, Jesus said people would know us by our love for one another first and foremost. However, I will never forget that Jesus commanded his disciples to be "wise as serpents" and that Mark (as well as all the gospels) gives a gigantic impression that Jesus is a *teacher* . Jesus says "You call me teacher and Rabbi, you are doing well". Meaning their is an element and a need for being intelligent *and* knowledgeable. We do not trade it off for being loving. Instead we must be a master of both, those who are as peaceful and loving as a dove, but while also being as wise and knowledgeable as the snake.
@@youngknowledgeseeker Thank you for your thoughtful reply. We agree. We should be masters of both aspects, and not just be mostly focused on one of them.
@@saulm58 Thanks for this pleasant conversation Mr.Saul.
Pot calling the kettle black
Thank you for giving resources for how we Biblical Unitarians might find each other.
It's not Biblical. It's heretical.
@@yeoberry-Says you, heretic.
@@richlisola1 :
The church read the Bible and saw that it taught the Trinity. People who don’t believe in the Trinity are heretics
One question what are your views regarding the reliably of the bible i'm asking you this because you must've heard of bart erhman what would be your reply to bart regarding the bible respect from a muslim
@@person10 - Wait hold on are you telling me their going to lie about their own religion i am a muslim and i disagree with you on what you gave me
@@person10 - First of all you are talking about trinitarians so they don't count second what about muslims are you saying that they don't lie about their religion what about the false allegations made about the previous books of Allah swt or the fact that there are different arabic quran with different meanings uhh and lets not forget the violence and sexism in our book. I can go on and on but you get my point. 😘
@@person10 - many muslims lie about their religion as well we are not saints either
@@faithfultheology - Thank you Yahweh bless
What is the difference between unitarian and non trinitarian? Or is tuggy a form of trinitarian?
In Poland it is a synonym. The Socinians don't believe in the preexistence of Jesus, like The Polish Brethren did. Arians believe in the preexistence of Jesus as did Justin Martyr. They meet together in small churches.
I don't know exactly, but I know there are other beliefs other than unitarian. There are those who think it is just two, as Jesus and God, and I've hear of Oneness or something like that. What I'm saying is that unitarianism falls under non trinitarianism and under that there are other types of beliefs.
@@Akracjusz O jakich kościołach mowa?
Just curious, what is the explanation for John 17:5 (KJV) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I'm not Trinitarian, but believe Jesus existed before the world was formed and was with the father
I wonder about this too
Hi, thanks for the talk. Can't really say that i feel comfortable with mainstream trinitarians, whatever the denomination. I hear what you're saying about dividing, and that others may have some truth or gifts that may be of benefit to us as non-trinitarians. My view is that, if you have an inherent misunderstanding of who the Living God is, and conflate his human son with him, i don't see how it is possible to know him as he is, or Jesus, and to give them the proper glory due to each one, respectively.
This troubles me to the point where i can't say unequivocally that we are worshiping the same God. I don't believe that the triune God is the true God, and that's exceedingly problematic when it comes to fellowship.
I end up on the "come out from her and be separate" end of the spectrum, as i have been since the revelation that God is not triune in nature. My connection with others who have also been shown the true nature of God (in this context) has been by watching videos like this one, and reading the comments, and being edified and encouraged by fellow believers in the One True God, echad, singular.
No way do i know everything, not by a thousand miles, but i know that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, he is one God. Yahweh alone is God.
So i can't be "comfortable," for lack of a better word, fellowshipping with trinitarians. I was one for decades, and there's no slander or back-biting here, but my spirit was unsettled inside of me, in an institutional church, even before i knew that trinity was untrue. I just don't trust the mainstream organizational structure, or practices.
I don't feel like i can be part of it. I'd rather be alone than to be ill-at-ease in a "church" that operates purely by rote, through which one could sleepwalk, whose priorities are baffling to me.
It's not perfect, and as you say, there is a cost to it. But there hasn't been an urging to change this situation, which one might expect if it was causing a problem. I believe i was made this way for a purpose.
Finally, i have no great love for the "unitarian" moniker. Trinitarianism is the standard from which this term was coined. Like "protestant" only exists with "catholic" as the reference point. The doctrine of the One God preceeded that trinity, yet unitarian only exists as a response to trinitarianism, defined in terms of a false doctrine that came hundreds of years later. Still trying to think of a more fitting designation.
@Hell Is A Lie I totally agree with you and I feel the same way. I can't sit in a Trinitarian church without cringing every time they intermix God for Jesus which they do in their sermons, in praying, and in their worship songs lyrics. The apostles never mixed or interchanged God for Jesus and it just makes me feel these churches aren't believing in the same bible that I believe in. I also dislike the term Unitarian and feel that is letting the worlds standards assign a term to me and my faith that is in response to theirs. Lastly, I also agree with your name that Hell as a physical place of pain and torment is a lie, hell can be better interpretted from it's original language as gravedom, simply meaning death. I'm curious what your influences have been because I find my own biblical beliefs to be a very small minority among the Christian world, and it blesses me to find others that share my conclusions from a completely different walk and experience in life! Bless you brother 💙
A Heid Hello brother, i am Joel. I also find it to be a disappointing rarity, to see people with the beliefs that i think are biblical, who aren't in a cult. 😬
Honestly i think it's by design. How better to hide the truth than to associate it with groups so far out of the mainstream that relegates anything they believe to the dungheap of heresy. And considering the willingness of the "respectable" church (a word i don't care for) to have succumbed to false doctrine for 1500 years, i couldn't say that it wasn't the Most High who "hid" the truth so well.("powerful delusion")
I was raised Baptist, mainstream, southern baptist convention. Sunday school, children's church, VBS, all of that. For which i am grateful, having received basic introduction to the scriptures, the stories, the biblical characters.
Even as a youth i was curious about why, if there was an equal trinity, we never really heard about God, much less the Holy Spirit. Yes Jesus established "the church," but where was the Father?
In my early 30's, i had begun to have questions about how scripture fit into some of the scientific "fact" i'd been learning about, having an amateur interest in astronomy. I was confused by the "old Earth" claims.
Long story short, crisis of faith ensued, and in one moment of frustration and anger, my faith departed all at once, in seconds. That wasn't my intent al all, but i was left completely devoid of faith.
Since i didn't believe anything (ANYTHING), i was without guilt or fear for the first time in my life, so that was okay by me. I lived like this, doing whatever i wanted, for 17 years. I didn't resent God, as i was 98% sure he wasn't real. Does a person resent Santa Claus on learning he's a children's story?
But i had doubts, particularly in the natural science classes i attended in college. Man, everything was just TOO perfect, these creatures and elements and workings of the cosmos.
I hadn't welded the door shut from the inside, when faith left me. Every now and then i'd tell "the universe" that if there was something there, it would know i can't believe in it, so if "believing in it" matters, it will have to come from outside of me.
Then one day, it did, when i "heard" in my mind the words "I'm here," and all of my faith flooded back as quickly as it had left.
Long story short (HAHA), i tried to reenter church, excited to have fellowship again. Much had changed in 17 years, but i was uncomfortable with the American church paradigm even before losing my faith.
Organized church didn't work out for me, i was unsettled in my spirit when i attended.
Long story sho---- yeah sure. I read through the Bible, first time ever, and it gave great clarity to the whole plan of the Most High, start to finish, one epic, wonderful, terrible story. (terrible in the old sense of the word)
I prayed to be ahown if i had any wrong beliefs, at the end of all this, and the word trinity literally appeared in my mind, like the written word spelled out. I knew in a second that it was an answer to my prayer, and the years of not understanding the incomprehensible triunity of the godhead crashed into dust, and i knew it was false. Then i cried, because it was equally apparent that i would forever be out of fellowship with the mainstream, and the years of loneliness stretching out ahead of me weighed on me like a stone.
But being alone isn't the worst that can happen. I knew trinity was false, i just didn't know how/why, so i began researching it online, and seeing that anyone with a modest amount of curiosity could learn the same thing: it's all there for anyone to see.
Happily i found others online who had also rejected trinity. Rejecting eternal conscious torment came a couple of years later, and here i am.
Sorry, i like to write. And it's a blessing as you say, finding someone of like beliefs, at least in these doctrines. Sorry this is ridiculously long! But it's not a short story, yeah?
Blessings, Joel
(now to proofread...)
A Heid PS, i can't even listen to Christian music anymore, as it is peppered with references to trinity and "eternal fate." Such a shame, but i'm accustomed to it by now, years later.
@@hellisalie1138 great response, I read all of that, appreciate you sharing, and I agree with your current faiths conclusions; Christianity has been tainted by falsehoods and man-made ideas, muddied in with scriptural authority, and sanctioned by top levels of organized churches. Dont let the structures and creeds of beliefs of man dissuade you from validity and authenticity of scripture. David the Psalmist spoke so much about the joys and delights he took in scripture, never about the ways of man or the organizations or structures of man. We don't have to feel lonely or forgotten or displaced by the Christian majority world around us, we can take joy and delight in Gods scripture, which is meant to be understandable and relatable by the common person- the fisherman, the tax collector, the begger, the middle-income man; the complex modern theologies and overly-complicated reaches the so-called biblical experts make today pervert the simplicity and harmony of scripture, and they have since the apostolic fathers or generations right after the apostles. If you read texts of those that lived around 150 AD to 300 AD, they wrote 1000s and 1000s of pages and had all kinds of scribes recording all kinds of their personal thoughts and religious ideas that they reasoned out, but those were mans conclusions on scripture, those werent God-breathed holy scripture, which ended with the book of Revelation. The bible is meant to read and understand for ourselves its content and its truth, it is not meant to be interpretted to us by others ( II Tim 3:16). No where in scripture does it say that a church organization is supposed to explain to us common people what scripture means or what to believe. In fact the opposite it tells us to look at it for ourselves. So we study and learn and grow and rejoice in scripture individually, and it's okay to admit to God there is parts you do not understand. I consider myself a lifelpng student of the bible, and from this perspective I trust God and look to Him to guide my journey in learning and growing in my knowledge and understanding of His Word! That is the reason I am in this comments section and talking with you as I am learning and growing in my understanding of God as One God, with Jesus being His son, and God's nature or essence or form is simply Spirit (God is Spirit). Jesus, and Jesus' disciples, and us who believe in Jesus, can also receive Gods gift of holy spirit, and in all of us having the spirit of God, we can all be "one"- which doesn't mean we are one being, or one deity. We are all one in spirit. Bless you brother and nice chatting with you. Feel free to share any other beliefs/thoughts you have concerning scripture that you may feel is different than mainstream "Christianity". I like learning from other students of scripture, that don't just parrot the most commonly held positions of mainstream. Not that all of mainstream is wrong, far from it, but there are definitely false teachings and ideas that have permeatted and divided Christianity as a whole, and the differences are worth talking about to gain understanding and always compare that information with scripture for truth and authenticity.
A Heid Thank you for your response. I'd like to know your name, my friend/brother.
It's so frustrating that so much dogma clung to by "Christendom" from the early centuries, AD, were formulated by highly-educated philosophers, utterly hellenized, and interpreting scripture through the intellectual filter of Plato, and other Greek luminaries. Their methods were purely cerebral, the "wisdom of man," and they stripped the faith once delivered to the saints of its childlike acceptance, faith, and understanding. You are right: the scriptures were not provided to be understood by the intellectual elite alone, they are given to be UNDERSTOOD, by everyone.
Tertullian wrote in "Against Praxeas" that the simple people, who always "make up the bulk" of believers, were always attacking him for his early attempts at a trinitarian model, as being "polytheistic," or making more than one God. This was a big problem for him, that his ideas were flatly rejected by the majority of believers in his time, as going against scriptural precept.
Today, his name never fails to pop up in discussions about the great "early church fathers." These people were educated converts, and set the tone early for mingling philosophical and pagan doctrine with the simple faith of the gospel, a process called syncretism, which the catholic church excelled at.
I have a couple of dogs i have to take care of, but am looking forward to having more conversation with you. It's not an attempt to get clicks, because i couldn't care less about youtube success, but i have some videos you might feel like checking out, if you get the time.
Great talking with you!
We are saved by grace through faith in Christ the son of God, not because we are Trinitarian or not. A Unitarian may not be saved too. We boast in the Lord, not in the flesh.
exactly silence is golden on this matter....
Test Paul if you didn't
@@brenosantana1458 Thanks. I test all and I test the spirits.
@@keithfuson7694 revelation too. Also de doctrine of sacrifice. Isaiah 1, Hosea 6 6, Psalm 40 6.
what about Melichizedek??? who was he???
The king of righteousness, right? But I don't know much more than that... What do you say?
Some identify Shem as Melchizedek, but this association is not certain.
A Priest King in Genesis. It is highly doubtful the author of Hebrews is saying Jesus was literally Melchizedek.
Melchizedek was a priest, with no record of his family lineage or of when he died. The author of Hebrews, and God, use Melchizedek as a type of Christ. A priest, not of Levite origin, whose death is not recorded (in Jesus case he came back to life so never truly died). Basically a priest whose priesthood lasts forever and is not based on who he was born to.
Hello. I agree alot with Unitarian views but haven't been able to find a local Chruch to atteend these views. I live in the North Dallas area, so If anyone knows of a Church near me that I can take my family to I would greatly appreciate it. God bless!
Yes, this is Dan Gill - and they are doing a Bible Conference there in Gatesville this weekend beginning Friday and going through Sunday. Greg Demmitt's contact information is: Greg Demmitt, Pastor, 202 Byrom Dr, Gatesville, TX 76528 Ph 480-824-8311E-mail gdemmitt@gmail.com - Blessings to you and your family!
There is a church that is some closer to you which is located in Quitman north of Mineola to the east of you. You can reach the pastor there (Pastor Clark) at 903.363.5038.
The name of the church in Quitman is "Victory Fellowship"
@@21stOneGod Thank you so much! God bless, and keep making those great videos! There are many hearts and souls to be reached! 👍
What does the scripture say about denying the father AND the son? The spirit is the spirit of sonship that proceeds from the father. Like Jesus own spirit.
I agree, listen to all sincere believers. We can learn from each other and none of us has it all right. But we are all led by the same spirit but being misled in different areas at the same time.
One question are you unitarian christians biblical doing your best to rid this world from the false pagan trinity as fast as possible respect from a muslim
@@theguyver4934 But you are a Muslim. You worship a pedophile. Unitarians do not accept Mohammed as a prophet.
@@thezealouschristian9759 - One question do you truly believe that christianity is the one true religion
This sermon hurt my soul. I need to step my Christianity up, study, and get in the field to assist in evangelizing. It’d be easier if I had a congregation.
Become orthodox.
Make a congregation
I hear you. No Unitarian churches in my area but the Unitarian Universalist church. Which I am not even sure if they are technically Christian.
@@faithfultheology Sadly the Sabbath is another thing I am unsure about. Is Buzzard a Sabbath keeper? I think I heard he used to be but stopped when he left the CoG, no? Not that I am opposed to listening to something on a different day, but that is another reason I haven't found a church in line with my interpretation of the Bible.
@@faithfultheology I would argue whether we should keep the 10 Commandments should be a core doctrine for any fellowship.
Dr. Dale makes a good point, I believe, at around 8:15 of this video. Things like repentance, reconciliation to God, spiritual growth, etc. will lead to moral growth in a person (if one is consistent, that is). But moral growth will not necessarily lead to repentance or reconciliation to God, even if followed consistently.
At least, it doesn't appear to work that way. If someone disagrees, feel free to show me where I am wrong.
1 John 4:19 says that we love because God first loved us. It doesn't work the other way around- that God loved us because we first loved Him.
P.S. If you are reading this, Brother Dale, I'm really sorry I couldn't make it to this session. I really wanted to but my head was stopped up. Glad that 21st Century Reformation did so!
I might even argue that credal statements are something Jesus warned us about. He tells us in Matthew 5:34 to not swear any oaths. Is not affirming a credal statement a form of this (at least to some extent)? Maybe that is a semantic issue, but I have never felt comfortable reading credal statements, even when I agree with them based on this.
I wish the proliferation of Biblical Unitarians was true as he stated. I live in a city of over 4 million metro, and there is only one, and it's tiny.
"Will I find faith in the earth"?
You're not the only one who who can't find many true believers. The flock is indeed little.
Dr Dale please make it clearto the hearers when you speak about '' double nature'' . The divine nature and diety are two different things. The moment we receive the holy spirit we, believers are also partakers of the divine nature. Threfore to say that Jesus Christ was a DIETY before his birth from Mary is wrong but to say that Jesus Christ right from his conception was born with divine nature is right. Because as his father is holy so is Christ for christ was born with holyness in him. As his father is light so is he because he was born in light. that is why the angle gebriel said '' The holy thing born of thee will be called holy child of God.'' is it not holyness a dive nature? is it not to be born in light a divine nature? none of us was born in light and in holyness. we were born with darkness in our spirit but praise be to God (Father) who pour out his spirit by jesus christ and delivered us from darkness to his marvelous light.
I am sorry but you are preaching heresey. Jesus just a human not divine nature at all.
@@finalfrontier001 Actually, I think Tuggy is more of a true restorationist. I used to feel like yourself with regard to these matters. The more I studied and prayed about it, the more I realized it was I who was wrong.
The definition of divine also means coming from God so you are correct. It seems most people don't know the definition of the word divine.
Excellent point
Thank you so much for your talk! It really spoke to me!!
Unitarianism is a lie of the devil. Hope you have not fallen for it.
Doesn't the CoG teach binatarianism? That just Jesus and God are God? Maybe I thinking of a different church though.
It depends on which COG you are thinking about. There are more than one group which go by that name. The Armstrong 7th day are/were binitarian ("Two Gods in the God family."). The Church of God General Conference out of Georgia (Atlanta Bible College, etc.) are true One God folks.
In ireland
If the Lord Jesus Christ is not God, then why is He worshipped as God in the New Testament?
See the word in the Greek and see the same word usage in the Septuagint in the passage of Jacob and his brother if you want.
Jesus is never offered the highest kind of worship which us " offering divine service" to, which is only applied to God the Father. David Solomon and Daniel were worshipped also. When we worship Christ who is the image of God and chief representative then we are actually worshipping God the Father. Rv4:11 Ph2:11
@@keithfuson7694 Test Paul and revelation
@@brenosantana1458 Let’s get specific
‘Proskyeno worship appears 60 times in the NT and it is proffered to Jewish High Priests
God. Christ , heavenly beings , demons and important men
The word means ‘to fall before ‘
To kiss the hand etc
LATREOU worship derives from the Greek word ‘latris’ which means ‘ servant’
It appears 21 times in the NT
18 times with reference to the Lord God usually with regards to services and services rendered by priests and officials in terms of sacred duties
2 times to worship of false Gods
Acts 7 42
Romans1v 25
And
Once in Revelation 22v 3 where it is unclear who was being worshipped
Even is was Christ one has to consider the verses in Acts and Romans’
@@user-xv8wy4nd7u but Jesus NEVER claimed to be God
Who isChrists God?
It’s not being part of a group. It’s which group identifies with you & your values.
My right ear thoroughly enjoyed this. Thanks
Also I take more of an Ebionite/Essene view of Scripture. There are certainly falsehoods and contradictions in the Bible. I used to believe in Biblical innerrancy the same way I used to believe in Trinitarianism. But the more I looked the worse it got. I take Jesus and God at their word. I don't take the words of men though. So when we encounter these I use a similar technique that they used.
Did God say it (explicitly)?
Did Jesus say it (explicitly)?
Does it make God's nature appear contrary or inconsistent?
So to give an example near and dear to me, did Jesus eat flesh? There is exactly one explicit reference to Jesus eating any form of animal flesh, Luke 23:43. However, if church history is believed, Luke was a traveling companion to Paul and never knew the disciples that knew Jesus personally personally. He probably assumed, "Well they used to be fishermen, they fed him some fish after his resurrection". However, this resurrection account contradicts both Matthew and Mark's (if the ending of Mark is genuine, but prior to that it does say Galilee also) account that Jesus first appeared to the disciples in Galilee on a hill. I think this text was a later insertion to combat Marcionism, but there isn't definitive proof one way or the other and the first couple hundred years of Christian textual history is murky.
I would think God has no interest in imposing a ban on eating flesh right now. It's never ever a command in the NewTestament. That may have been what it was like in Eden, key word "may", and it may have been how Jesus's diet was (but he ate passovers seemingly and won Peter over by catching him a ton of fish?) But we are given no such command or hint that being vegan or vegetarian will contribute at all towards the judgement.
Not to mention Paul says that people who forbid eating certain foods are really following demonic teaching.
@@youngknowledgeseeker Eden "may" have been vegan? It was according to Genesis. What about the restored Kingdom? It will be according to Isaiah, Hosea, and John. The incident of a lot of fish caused Peter to leave his sinking ship and follow Jesus and become a fisher of men. No direct reference of Jesus eating flesh. A couple of insinuations, but that is it. Why didn't Paul say Jesus ate meat so it's okay? Why were most of the Apostles and early church adherents vegetarian? Would seem rather strange if Jesus wasn't.
John 1:1-4 teaches that there are at least two Being in the Godhead. Not only does John tell us that Jesus is God; he tells us that the Word was the Creator of all - he emphasizes that He was involved in every created thing. He strongly declares that “without him was not anything made that was made”. If Jesus was the first thing God created (according to JWs) or the flesh of a man in which God the spirit dwelt until he was crucified (Unitarian doctrine), how can one reconcile such heretical teaching with John’s words, “And without him was not anything made that was made”? You may respond to this argument, but cannot answer it. The Hebrew writer also spoke of Jesus as Creator by saying, “And thou Lord in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of thy hands. They shall perish but thou continueth, and they shall all wax old as doth a garment, and as a mantle shalt thou roll them up, as a garment, and they shall be changed. But thou art the same and thy years shall not fail” (Hebrews 1:10-12). The same writer said, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8). Jesus is from everlasting to everlasting. He was not created; He always has been.
Having described Jesus as co-eternal with the Father and the Creator of all things, John then taught that in the Word was life, and the life the light of men. As the spoken or written word has life in itself, so He who is the very expression of God’s thoughts and wishes has life in Himself. That life is the light of men just as Jesus later spoke of Himself: “I am the light of the world: he that follows me shall not walk in darkness but shall have the light of life” (John 8:12).
Doesn't john say jesus was God which means God wasn't God anymore
You think that's possible for almighty God to turn himself off and on?
@@AstariahFox on and off? No. Nor operate as modalists claim!
@@ChristisSaviour when one becomes a man then hes no longer God
Question so are you guys arians like the Jehovah’s Witness if so why not just be a Jehovah’s Witness what’s different between you and them?
A key difference between BUs and Jehovah's Witnesses is that Jehovah's Witnesses are in large agreement with Trinitarians about there being a preexistent Christ. Interestingly, while Trinitarians strongly denounce them, they are much more similar in their Christology to the Jehovah's Witnesses than they will ever let on. They all try hard to see Jesus as an Angel (or Angel-like being) in a supposed preexistent life in the Old Testament. (They are desperate to find him there & he is not there - so they have to do something!} The Trinitarians slip by all of this & sort-of hope no one will notice the similarity to the JWs. The remaining argument then between them is, was the "Angel" God or another kind of being. Trinitarians sometimes even propose that three Angels are God.
Next, they are in major agreement with one another regarding incarnation. At that point, Trinitarians would like for everyone to forget that they said Jesus was an angel in the OT (they will hardly ever mention that again) and it is "God the Son" who gets incarnated. The Jehovah's witnesses follow the Trinitarian view of incarnation except, again, argue over who he was at the time. So for them, they are I think a bit more honest, and admit that in their version it was an "angel" "who" was incarnated.
To the BUs, all these are variations on the same erroneous theme. BUs do not agree with the preexistent angel business under either version - and disagree with Trinitarians and Jehovah's Witnesses regarding incarnation under either version. I am with the BUs - it now makes much more sense to me than either of the other ideas. I think the Trinitarians should make up with the JWs and shake hands. They are actually "brothers" in their severe disagreement! Blessings to all!
@@Psalm-pu2jq interesting! Difference! So to you guys in the BUs Jesus is not God(YHVH)correct? Like the Arians?
@@CommissionedNow He is eloheim not Elohiem. All persons begotten of the fathers seed are eloheim. Romans 1:3-4 is pretty clear if you digest every sentence carefully.
Biblical Unitarians and Arians are basically the same, and only differ in their Christology in terms of Jesus' pre-existence as follows:
Biblical Unitarians and Arians both don't believe that Jesus is God (i.e. YHWH).
Biblical Unitarians and Arians believe that Jesus had a beginning.
Biblical Unitarians and Arians believe that God (i.e. YHWH) had no beginning.
Biblical Unitarians and Arians only differ in terms of when did Jesus' beginning start as follows:
Biblical Unitarians - Jesus' beginning started in the womb of Mary.
Arians - Jesus' beginning started in heaven prior to the creation of the heavens and earth.
Those are truly and fundamentally the only difference between Biblical Unitarians and Arians.
I would like to add that Arianism predates Biblical Unitarians historically. And neither is like JW, particularly in their Soteriology. There is a lot more to being a JW than just their belief in Christ's pre-existence. You should look into it to truly understand how they differ on major fundamental issues.
This gentleman is wrong from the beginning of the video
The Blessed LORD is next to the HEAVENLY FATHER
Many examples
Romans 8 the Blessed LORD is at the right hand of GOD making intercession for us that believe
In the SON of GOD Amen
The Epistles of John is very clear on this
the bible might not directly say theirs a trinity but if you read good you'll find evidence for the trinity
I used to think as you do for years - then as I studied and prayed about it, I came to realize that it was I who was wrong.
You can find evidence to support slavery and a lot of other things too.
The word and spirit are not independently operating persons. The word and spirit is the Father.
If you read poor translations, you’ll find vague indications of the Trinity.
You can find good evidence for Gnosticism too!
I'd prefer it if they call Jesus a prophet and not Lord
I have studied the history of Unitarianism and in my view what caused many problems was "pride." Intellectualism. Tertiary qualified young men, who had no supernatural anointing of the Holy Spirit were put in charge as ministers of churches at young ages of early 20's.
Just because a person is intelligent and educated doesn't mean they should be a minister of a church. The Bible says an elder must not be young in the faith - the history of some Unitarian groups becoming liberal and man centred proves the wisdom of this instruction.
I never thought I would become a biblical Unitarian, because Satan has hidden the truth by developing a movement of liberal humanistic theology. He is a master of deception.
Thankfully God was merciful to me.
Thankfully, God has a remnant of faithful men and women who have left a legacy of Biblical faithfulness to God.
God governs His church by anointment. Man governs the church by appointment.
Man's way does not work - it produces a false system, which Satan uses to deceive people.
What is the liberal humanist theology (deception)? I'm curious and would be glad to hear what you think! Well, partly because so many semantics and different movements just leave me confused, haha... so have a lovely day and God bless you!
This is quite odd! I received a reply on my notifications but the full reply isn't present here, did you delete it? I was really looking forward to hearing what you were going to say :) What I did get to see was "@silversilk I agree with your deduction and questioning of what can be classified as liberal humanism as it is a wide topic and takes many forms. One man's freedom fighter"
Have a lovely day by the way!
@Silversilk
Sorry - yes I did delete it because I made a spelling mistake on a key word and I cannot edit.
I need to think again about my reply.
I woke up at 3.00am and typed my reply to you. I have been painting all day so my brain is a bit tired.
I will try to put a reasoned reply to you soon.
@@greglance4335 Oh, well thank you very much for considering me and making sure to put your best forward! Thank you!! Rest well and it'll be a treat to hear from you again; God be with you!
Hello @Silversilk - Yes this is Greg Lance, but from a different computer - which has a spell check.Sorry I have never been a great speller.Well my brain is rested, the question is will my answer be reasonable?Trying to recall my thoughts from last night. Like Nebuchadnezzar.I understand humanism and relativism. I was brought up in a family like that (what a disaster).I liked your question because you force me to define my terms - I rejected my humanistic up-bring because I realized it was based on limited human knowledge and opinion and therefore circular in nature and having no foundation of truth - one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.Just letting you know - My starting premise is that the Bible is the foundation of truth that reveals who the true God is and who the Messiah is - Jesus Christ and what His gospel is.At a glance - How I see church history.When the church was humble - as Jesus Christ taught us to be, (Matt 23:12 & Luke 14:11) it still had problems and the apostles wrote to correct these (1st Cor 1:10:13; 3:3; 6:1; 11:18 etc) and the humble saints accepted the correction. But, Jesus and the apostles warned the young church that deception was coming and it came, even while the apostles were still alive and is still with us today.Deception is a major theme of the New Testament - deception so strong as to deceive the elect if that were possible. (Matt 24:4, 24; Matt 7:15; Col2:8, Act 20:29-35; 1st John 2:18-19 etc) Satan deceives the whole world (Rev 12:9)So I understand when you say ......"so many semantics and different movements just leave me confused."(But don't give up - God is worthy of putting the effort in and now we have the internet use it wisely).This topic has been a major battle in my Christian life because truth is important and early on in my Christian walk I was challenged: just because you believe something doesn't make it true.We all have been conditioned in some way. We all have pre-conceived ideas. Thankfully this chellenge caused me to investigate and I have had to change my understanding on doctrines over the years as new and better evidence has come my way.Anyway, back to the point of liberal humanism causing deception in the church.How I see it - The number one issue in the professing "church" has been the sin of pridefulness. Humans (governed by fallen nature Rom 8:7 and under the spiritual influence of Satan - Eph 2:2) want to replace God and His governing authority from His rightful place at the center and place themselves into the center. "Well you know the whole world revolves around me and my opinions." Ask Adam and Eve if this was a good choice! You shall be as God (human independance - what a tragic disater!)Religious pride can take many forms and one of those forms is liberal humanism - man is the measure of all things. If we do good and be good people, then God will accept us - that's a false gospel. God accepts us solely on the merits of His Son Jesus Christ and His perfect work at the cross.Unconverted "good" people in the church and those who come into the church, but never repent and receive the Holy Spirit bring in man centered ideas - good works replace the gospel of salvation in Jesus atoning work on the cross for the forgiveness of sin alone and the Good News of Kingdom of God.Don't get me wrong good works are part of the Christian life, but not the foundation. James 2:14-26Being liberal in love, mercy, grace & charity is a good thing.Liberal humanism is a bad thing - it replaces the truth of the gospel for a lie and people get blinded by their "goodness." Matt 7:11 & Rom 3:10-12As mentioned in my above comment - What I believe happened to some Unitarian groups of the 1800's was they were "good" people and they saw the injustice of slavery or women and children being mistreated and were moved to overcome it, but in the process they lost sight of evangelism - as Dale pointed out.The work of the Lord in helping others, became greater in their minds than the Lord of the work.Also, they thought they could educate young men and have them lead churches, but it didn't work - an elder should not be young in the faith (1st Tim 3:6) and some wacky ideas such as Universalism developed because after-all God "bows" to man and will forgive and save everyone - that's His business. The true gospel of the Lord Jesus was replaced by some groups with a liberal humanistic gospel - which is not even the gospel.I never thought I would become a biblical Unitarian as what I had studied previously was liberal Unitarianism. But thankfully God has had mercy on me and I now see the Father is the only true God and He had a Son Jesus Christ born of a virgin "ek" "out of the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35); a human just as we are human (Heb 2:14 & 17), but given the Holy Spirit without measure. (John 3:34).Sorry if this was too long - I did put some effort in.I am an average man - so you will probably find holes in my reasonings.We are in lockdown in Australia so I had some time - As mentioned I even did the painting!If you live in Australia or are intending to travel to the land down under after the corona virus - we have a little group who have come out of Babylon (we don't know everything) but you would be welcome attend.God spared not His own Son to spare us Rom 8:31
paul said BEWARE of those who will preach another jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
paul said BEWARE of those who will preach another jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
paul said BEWARE of those who will preach another jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
paul said BEWARE of those who will preach another jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope you have more to say about that,
Paul never met jesus, only in a vision, and who in the 21st century believe in visions, how much water will that hold in a law of court today.
@@ericdumont610 huh? Well... who in the 21st century believe in visions? Well..... me? Christians? Ummm... Bible says so??? What? What is even your point? That is not even a point if Paul met Jesus or not. Don't you believe you can be appointed to serve the Lord Jesus Christ? What? Have you met Jesus?
Trinitarians are those who will preach another jesus as another God !
Do you have an actual point?
If Jesus is not God, according to Unitarians, then he should not be worshipped at all. It is a lie to say that someone other than God can be worshipped. It is a mistake to teach that the kings or those in royalty were worshipped. People bowed to them in reverence, but not true worship (as to God). Roman Emperors required worship because they assumed the title of God. Of course, this was idolatry that God despised. The Apostle Peter declined worship from Cornelius because as he stated," I myself also am a man" (Acts 10:26).
trinitarian, unitarian...what about a monatarian ala J.Dan Gill. That would be more accurate
Biblically we are monotheistic Unitarian and subordinationism. All three are the three major truths of the Bible. One God,the Father; Christ is subject to His God , the Father. That's not too difficult to understand.
@@keithfuson7694 true One God mono
By any name, non-trinitarians are welcome here, if they agree with our Affirmation www.unitarianchristianalliance.org/
@@mikha007 Right on!
Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Him. Correct. Why? For logical reasons, the almighty God cannot be here among us with his power, to do his work now, in real time. (Difficult to explain, I will make a video about this topic in the near future). This means that the almighty God has in reality already COMPLETED his work in a DISTANT PAST (but only from HIS POINT OF VIEW !!!). "Completed" indeed means "completed in all respects", He could even have gone away!! But He didn't go away, He became like a man instead: "the Son of God" (with no power at all). This means that the Son is in reality now ALONE and is the only OWNER of everything, "the King of heaven". This all means that the almighty God cannot be here because He belongs to the past "The world has not known you" "No man has seen God at any time." . However - due to his power - even from that past - God can observe us and be here with his actions and his words. God is present here with his actions, He INTERACTS with us, but NOBODY is here in reality. This corresponds to the presence of a spirit ("God is a spirit"). He is the Spirit of God. Thus, the Three Persons are in reality just TWO because NO ONE is here; just the POWER of God is here, alone. "The Son is in the Father and the Father in the Son" thus means that the Son DERIVES from the Father, this is why He is called "SON", He is no "ACTUAL Son". The Son is thus at the same time NOT DISTINCT from the Father because "He is in the Father and the Father is in Him" yet He is also DISTINCT from the Father, since the Father is the almighty God - even if in the form of a spirit - and Jesus is like a normal man now, with no power at all ("the Father is greater than I"). We could thus say that God is more than One and less than Two in number.
As long as our constitution and Fed Law agrees with biblical truth and principles then we should support our Republican constitutional Gov and system, advantage same time criticize it and work for improvement.
Jesus is the Word made flesh. God created by His Word. The Word pre- existed with God but the Man Jesus of Nazareth was born. Read Luke 1:35
Jesus became the word made flesh as he succeeded in obeying God where Adam failed. Jesus had the potential to succeed like Adam, because he wasn’t considered by God to have sinful predecessors.
God did this in cooperation with man. First trying on the family level through the first two sons. Then on the tribal level God tried to send the second sinless Adam through Noah. Finally man fulfilled his portion of responsibility in correlation with God and the mission of Adam was established by Jesus. However Jesus did not come to die, he came to establish an ideal family and to expand that foundation across the world and for all who had preceded himself.
Hate and kill. How is that following Jesus?
Wait till this guy reads John 1:1
LOL! www.21stcr.org/commentaries/john-1-videos/john-1-and-early-christian-theologies/
We do read Jn1:1 and it's Unitarian all the way. There is only one God and one divine person in view: God the Father. The son is not mentioned or in view.
Waiting for the apology to Dale. I know it will not happen. That would be heartwarming tho.
@@DaleTuggy - One question related to the reliability of the new testament do you think it's trustworthy because i am a muslim and i want it to be reliable
@@keithfuson7694 yes
Trinitarians get John 1.1 wrong because they assume that ‘theos’ in John 1.1.3 is definite
Colwells Rule suggests that if ‘theos’ is definite it would probable lack the article
BUT in the end CONTEXT will tell us whether the predicate is definite or indefinite
The context is Johns Gospel
But look at the whole of Johns Gospel talks about Christ was
Sent by God
Given knowledge by God
-wmpowered by God
Someone through God whom God acts
-Gods messenger
- Mdssiaht
-Gods divine agent
And more
There are 4 passages which. Cause confusion
John 1v1. The Logos
I am
I and the Father are one
My Lord and my God
Biblical.Unitarian .com analyses these quite well
We can talk further if required
In the end. Johns Gospel is not the treasure trove of Trinitarians.proof verses!
Religion does NOT exist to make us more moral. We are to worship the creator, and have faith in the Trinitarian God. Catholic teaching is true Christianity. The Gospel is clear that Jesus is God. The early church fathers knew Jesus and the Apostles and passed the true faith down through Bishops to today, they know best. You think you know better, but you don’t. The Bible didn’t magically appear, it was written by the Apostles and canonized by the Catholic Church. The Nicene Creed, which affirms the Trinity, pre-dates the canonization of the Bible. If you believe in the Bible, you must trust it’s source, the Catholic Church.
The catholic church is not responsible for the creation or authorization of the Bible. The Catholic church did not exist for hundreds of years after Christianity was established.
Damn I believe in the trinity and I’m still shocked at what you just said 😂
@@yahisgood7052 that’s not exactly true…
Basically the claim of the Catholic Church is something like "the spirit has been with, guided, and protected the Catholic Church, the original church, from the beginning. So to not believe what they teach is to disbelieve the spirit".
That's a fair and hefty argument. One that should be looked into thoroughly and prayed about before making a decision.
That's what Dale Tuggy has done, as far as I'm aware, regarding early Church Fathers, his point of expertise. He sought to read the Church Fathers to see what they say for himself, but he suggests that when you read them they are much more ambiguous than we are led to believe, at least from a plain reading of the text without importing Catholic interpretation into them, or that they don't really support the modern day idea of the Trinity the way we think they do.
In my personal opinion so far it seems certain that from the plain reading of the Bible/New Testament, or in reading it in its historical/linguistic 1st century context, it is completely impossible to arrive to the conclusion that Jesus is God or of the Trinity. Completely amd totally and utterly impossible, not even a shred of possibility.
This leads me to believe that if the Trinity is true it was a revelation to the church after the New Testament was written, but not something inherent to the texts in a simple and plain reading, and seemingly not something known to the authors.
Spouting anti-Biblical pagan Catholic falsehoods won’t get you anywhere with this crowd.
Thanks John. Agreed. John's Account is definitely not pro Trinity. It is totally unitarians and Subordinationism.
Well John in the first chapter calls Jesus God. All scholars of the book John agree John think Jesus is God. I'm sorry Dr.Tuggy is kind of talking out the side of his mouth here. He refused to engage Dr.craig in there debate on explicit passages. He just broadly waved them away. The question i would ask him is if God can mean anything how do we know Yahweh is even in The new testament?
Total nonsense. It begins by overtly stating the full divinity of the Son (1:1, 18) and concludes with Thomas calling the Lord Jesus "My Lord and My God."
I was a trinitarian too but the god of trinitarian congregations is not the God of the scriptures. Worshiping the Trinity is idolatry. Trinitarians are not my brothers in faith, they worship an idol even if they call it Yahweh. The israelites said the molten calf was their God who brought them up from Egypt but that calf was an idol just as the trinity is.
One question are you unitarian christians (biblical) doing your best to rid this world from the false pagan trinity as fast as possible respect from a muslim
Yoo on u are the heretic! If Jesus Christ is not God, why is He worshipped as God in the New Testament?
@@markrogers7546 He was not worshipped as God, but as King of Israel. ( Matthew 2:2, John 1:49, 12:13, etc) May The Heavenly Father , who is the only true God, help you understand this.
@@paulnpijrr God is the true King of Israel then if Jesus is the King of Israel then what does that make him.
@@richardthamilarasu3740 According to the prophet Isaiah, the Messiah is not God but he fears Yahweh God, . Do you believe the prophet?
Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse, And a branch from his roots will bear fruit. The Spirit of the Lord will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord .
Isaiah 11:1-2 NASB1995
I came to the unitarian view of Jesus a few years ago... After deep research of church history and how the trinity came to be in the first place
When you really look at it's enlightening and powerful transformative
I would consider my self biblical Unitarian on Christology views of Jesus.
I see Jesus as the son of god but not God in the flesh he is only divine mission and essence
In order to truly believe Jesus is God we would need a sample of Jesus blood ( DNA) to be tested
Blood results don't lie.
I hope someday they truly do find Jesus blood so the ultimate answer can be answered was he really God not just the son of God
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Test Paul if you didnt
we Muslims love jesus as a mighty prophet of god and unitarian christians are very simliar to islamic belief of the one true god ua-cam.com/video/DiWjIopJQ4Y/v-deo.html
@@tamjidislam5558 see that is where we different Muslims, we as biblical Unitarians christians still see him as the song of god the savior and messiah just not god the bible clearly states that good cannot not I am also adoptionist which means which is theory that Jesus did not have godly powers to perform micrcles until the point that John the baptism baptized him
@@EnlightenedHeart01 oh that's interesting, us Muslims also believe he is the Messiah and he did miracles through the help of the one true God, I think we differ on the fact that he died on the cross because Muslims believe that God saved him from dying and right now he is alive and will return during the end times to save humanity from the antichrist.
if we can YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
we must destroy this heresy idolatry en UNBIBLICAL NOTE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there is no god besides YHWH THE FATHER en our ONLY MEDIATOR is the 100% human made
2000 years ago beloved son yahshua !!!!
Interesting! I'd love to know more... I'm looking into things and it's still beaten into me from my relative youth that "It's a heresy to say Jesus isn't God" and I'd love to hear what you say to that. Have a lovely day and God bless!
what a dishonest caricature of inclusion. of course bigots are to be excluded. and its not about feelings and niceness, tho we should be kind in general, sure, but its not about that, its about two views: 1 equal dignity of all children of god, 2 rejection of pointless neopharisaic moralistic rules. all who disagree with these two views should be excluded.
Have you came here for the instructions? Sorry you misunderstood the title of the movie.
When a Christian becomes muslim, he becomes a unitarian Christian and still believes in jesus and all prophets of God peace be upon them
Religion must have logic/ proof & belief, not only belief.
Jesus is similar to Adam, both born without father, God don't need a son to forgive our sin
John 1 45.
True, religion need proof... Say that to Islam...
@@shhiknopfler3912 and what's your religion that have proof?
@@JamalAlAwadhi the idea that G-d revealed Himself to the entire people of Israel at Sinai which was an experience so great and so intense and so unanimously experienced by all that it could not have been made up. This imparted in the Jewish people an unswerving commitment to the belief in G-d. Subsequently they may have lapsed into rebelling against His will, but their acceptance of G-d’s existence was not questioned.
Compare this to other religions’ claim to truth based on the spiritual experiences or insights of one person, or of just a small group of people. This experience cannot be corroborated in any way by others. Of course, the experience may have happened. But the difference is that translating the experience of the individual to a national “belief” is based solely on faith in that individual and accepting his claims despite having no other verification.
Given the advantage of the Jewish claim to truth, namely it being based on the simultaneous experience of an entire people, why don’t we find this idea used by any other people in the history of mankind as a basis for their belief?
The answer is that as powerful as a claim as it is if it’s true, it’s conversely as weak if it’s false. Specifically, if someone intended to dupe an entire people into believing something based on the claim that they all experienced it when in reality they hadn’t, no one would accept the claim, simply because they know they didn’t experience what was claimed. This is certainly so if this new belief system was limiting and restrictive.
Lest you think that the lie could have been implemented later, that’s equally implausible. If an individual tried to convince an entire people to accept the new belief based on the claim that their ancestors had such a national revelation, people would counter, “If our ancestors had such an experience, why are you the only one who knows about it? Surely some of us would have heard something about this revelation that you claim all of our ancestors had!”
Therefore, only if such a national revelation actually happened would either the current or even a future generation accept such a claim. And if it didn’t happen, neither the current nor even a future generation would accept it.
Now, Christianity and Islam, for example, consciously drew richly from Judaism as an example for their newly forming religions. And they accept the Torah’s claim of national revelation of G-d to Israel at Sinai. The question is why didn’t they follow the Jewish example regarding this claim to truth, namely that G-d revealed His “mind-change” to the entire people, heard thunderously by all to the accompaniment of lighting and shofar blasts? The answer is simply because of their recognition that if the claim was accepted by the Jews, it must have basis, as explained above. Conversely, they realized that such a claim could never be accepted in their regard because it just didn’t happen. The claim to truth regarding these religions, then, can be based solely on the faith in the claims of individuals. That doesn’t mean these claims can’t be true. It just means they can’t be verified and are therefore only faith as opposed to belief.
Interestingly, both other major western religions accept that G-d revealed His will to the Jews and mankind in the presence of an entire people, but claim He revealed His “change of mind” only to an individual. Now if everyone agrees that G-d deemed it necessary to implement His will through national revelation, how likely is it that He would revoke it through a revelation to one person?
@@shhiknopfler3912 i will not read all of if
But first paragraph, proof God revealed himself to son of Isreal