This Is What Convinced Me Jesus Is Not God
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- Although often overlooked, the death of Jesus on the cross is one of the most significant arguments that he is not God. Jesus died, but God cannot die (1 Tim. 6:16), therefore, Jesus is not God.
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What convinced me was that Satan offered Jesus the world. If Jesus is god makes no sense for Satan to offer that to God since everything belongs to him unless Jesus is not God
That’s so poignant
Are serious is that what your believe of your creator??
Listen iam not asking for nothing but to know God you have to listen to surat el bakara trust me and feel the peace and and if you can’t find it google this
سورت البقره
You so stupid
Well, Satan is a moron, obviously
Its amazing how much un-biblical language you have to use to support the trinity. The more they try to tackle these obvious contradictions, the less scripture is used.
Its almost like the trinity isnt in the Bible at all 😅
problem: the trinity is in the bible
@@Squidgyy_ which part mentions trinity?
@@letmebemad all of it
@@Squidgyy_ PROBLEM; The pagan doctrine of the trinity was Created by the Corrupt Roman Catholic religion, in the Late 2nd, Early 3rd Centuries. The word "trinity" is found NOWHERE within the
Scriptures......NOWHERE, my friend.
Same thing with the word, "Godhead!" And the use of the words,
"3 Persons! " They were ALL Created by the Roman Catholic religion.
@@Squidgyy_ PROBLEM; trinity is a False doctrine, foisted upon the Churchworld by the Corrupt Roman Catholic religion.
Jesus has a God. That is all I need to know that he is not God. God does not have a God.
Yes
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
@@MyChrist88
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
Yes, Jesus has a God. And Jesus' God is the one who raised Jesus from the dead: Jesus himself.
@@euston2216 ....did a quick search on the web, found "24 Bible Verses about God Raising Christ - Online Bible" .....So, according to Scripture, God raised the man Jesus from the dead. As Jesus said, "I can do nothing of myself."
What kind of God can do nothing of Himself? You are not standing in truth.
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,.."
1 Peter 3:18
It's so obvious. Pastors around the world confuse themselves on the podium trying to keep to the Trinity cause they themselves know it makes no sense but won't commit to adopting the truth
Positions, money, cowardice, etc.
@@bosse641
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
@wanye1947
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
WHAT EXACTLY OUR YOU CALLING THE TRUTH. THE HOLY TRINITY DOCTRINE OF GOD IS THE REAL TRUTH. THE FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. THREE PERSONS MAKE UP ONE TRUE GOD. ARE GODHEAD. ALL THREE PERSONS IN ONE GOD. ONE GOD ONLY. AND THERE ARE ENOUGH BIBLE SCRIPTURES TO PROVE THAT. . I KNOW THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT. BUT IT IS VERY TRUE. YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY BE BLESSED NOW IN JESUS NAME. BE BLESSED NOW.
THE REAL TRUTH IS IN THE HOLY BIBLE SCRIPTURES.
Good for you, what convinces most people that Jesus is NOT God is when they pick up their Bible and read it wthout their pastor telling them that Jesus is the almighty !
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
@@theguyver4934just a couple of things, "you pray that allah? jesus said no one comes to the father but through jesus, and quran denies the crucifixion just a couple of minor details.
Jesus Himself declares that He is the Almighty in Rev. 1:8. Isaiah also declared 850 years before Jesus was born that He would be the Almighty. Isaiah 9:6.
@@thecalling6122 And Revelation 21:6-7.
@@thecalling6122 faulty logic repeated here as well
I was a trinitarian for 42 years, but some of those years I was growing in doubts about the trinity. Then, about 17 years ago I finally became a fully convinced Biblical Unitarian. I have been teaching the Biblical Unitarian since.
I have written commentaries on all the verses the trinitarians misrepresent as proof texts for their false doctrine.
I too was a trinitarian for may years, and had growing doubts about the trinity. Finally about six months ago after much reading, study and prayer I became convinced of the Biblical Unitarian view. Do you happen to have a copy of the commentaries that you have written about the verses trinitarians use that you might share with me?
Where can I obtain your written commentaries on all the verses the trinitarians misrepresent as proof texts for their false doctrine. I would like a copy to help me look into this further. I have been looking into this for a while and I still need some help.
Me to please I beg you I really want you to give me your commentaries
@johnspartan98
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
@@gkaye777
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
Very nice explanation of such a troublesome doctrine. I grew up only knowing of a trinity God until the past few years as a senior. Once the light went on, it seems so easy to read my Bible and have it make sense how Jesus always defers to His Father and worships Him and is about His business. I never understood the convoluted explanation of three parts of god and one with two different natures, yet the Jesus of the Bible always referred to himself as a man.
@getx1265
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
ditto here. The fragile thread that religion had made of biblical continuity has become a ships mooring rope.
@@V_George Correct about 1 and 2; not so much 3. See definition of nephesh... I am a living soul. It'll be awaiting Jesus' return at the Resurrection.
Also, look into Hebrew agency... God sent His Ultimate Agent to fully represent HIM.
@@V_George Good one. God sent God. I'll bet you're also a KJV only kinda guy.
This a very good presentation. Good biblical research. Once we have this foundation established, I want to take it further. What do you now say about the subject of the Sovereignty of God.
"1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son." To deny that the man , Jesus, was the Christ (an anointed man) is antichrist doctrine. Jesus was not God. "Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. . It is not a great feat for God to overcome. But it is huge... for the man, Jesus, to overcome. Thus, he sat down beside his Father. If Jesus is God... can he sit down beside himself?
@@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316 AMEN!
One of the first things that convinced me Jesus is not God, is when Jesus got baptized God spoke down from heaven saying in my son I am well pleased.
Jesus did not speak down from heaven to himself saying in myself I am well pleased
Yes because God is a Trinity, Jesus is the Son, the one that talked then was the Father. The Son isnt the Father.
exactly
@@dlingfasin6826trinity is derived from paganism Holy Spirit and The Father are the same Christ is completely separate
@@chelseaoguike7570 whats your proof? All early church fathers, aka the people that knew the apostles and learned from them or from Jesus directly. Believed in the Trinity.
That’s because Jesus is NOT the Father! Why do people keep saying this? They are not the same in person. They are the same in being. It couldn’t be simpler.
When Jesus or anyone dies, their souls don’t get destroyed, it gets separated from the body. When Jesus died, his soul got separated from his body, but he still had teo natures then he resurrected and reunited with his body.
yep the problem is what they think the definition of death is. if it's a separation of body and soul, can God experience a human death by adding a human nature, come as a man, and then have that flesh destroyed? ofcourse.
*editing this because i can't comment again*
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the hope being the resurrection wouldn't negate the definition of death. it's the final part of salvation, ofcourse that's the hope, to finally receive eternal life. now which definition do you use as death? do we cease to exist?
These verses show physical death is a separation of body and soul:
Matthew 10:28 (Jesus detailing God's power as being able to destroy both body & soul in comparison to creatures who can ONLY destroy body. obviously meaning the soul isn't destroyed in death. a separation...)
Genesis 35:16-19 (Rachel's death detailed as her soul departing)
Matthew 27:50 (Jesus dying detailed as Him "giving up His spirit/ghost")
Ecclesiastes 12:7 (dust returns to dust, spirit to God.. separation)
James 2:26 (body without spirit = death)
Revelation 6:9-11 (john seeing the souls of the martyrs under the alter)
God is immortal, Jesus died, therefore He cannot be God.
this makes sense without context
someone can make the same argument and read 1 Kings 8:46 (detailing that all men sin) in comparison with 2 Corinthians 5:21 (saying Jesus is without sin) and say "therefore, Jesus cannot be a man". it's like a cherry picked argument from a muslim who fears context.
I used to believe that definition of death as well, until I realized that it was a very platonic idea, not a Jewish/Christian one. The biblical hope was not to "die" so that they could be with God in their soul. Rather, it was to be resurrected (1 Cor. 15; 2 Tim. 2:11; Rom. 8:11). I really would ask you to consider, do you realize that by using your definition of death, you have changed the meaning such that it now means to "live" just in a soul and not a body. Do you see how dangerous that is? It is like changing "fat" to mean "skinny."
Regardless of your meaning of death, it still doesn't get around the Trinitarian problem. However you define death, God cannot die (1 Tim. 6:16; 1 Tim. 1:17) to be "immortal" means you cannot die, so if Jesus died, he is not God.
The problem with that for classical trinitarian Christians is that they believe Jesus' body is also Divine. They don't believe he was a Godly soul in a human body-I'm pretty sure that's considered a heresy.
@@biblicalunitarian the hope being the resurrection wouldn't negate the definition of death. it's the final part of salvation, ofcourse that's the hope, to finally receive eternal life. now which definition do you use as death? do we cease to exist?
These verses show death is a separation of body and soul:
1 Peter 3:18-19 (details Jesus dying, then in His spirit, goes to the other spirits to proclaim victory over death)
Matthew 10:28 (Jesus detailing God's power as being able to destroy both body & soul in comparison to creatures who can ONLY destroy body. obviously meaning the soul ins't destroyed in death. a separation...)
Matthew 27:50 (Jesus dying detailed as Him "giving up His spirit/ghost")
Ecclesiastes 12:7 (dust returns to dust, spirit to God.. separation)
James 2:26 (body without spirit = death)
God is immortal, Jesus died, therefore He cannot be God.
this makes sense without context
someone can make the same argument and read 1 Kings 8:46 (detailing that all men sin) in comparison with 2 Corinthians 5:21 (saying Jesus is without sin) and say "therefore, Jesus cannot be a man".
or using Deuteronomy 6:16/Malachi 3:15 which states God was tempted then using James 1:13 which says God cannot be tempted then saying God cannot be God.
it's like a cherry picked argument from a muslim who fears context.
@@biblicalunitarian
*edit. trying to see if censoring words would let my comment show up 😂. recently i'm not able to have a second reply*
the hope being the resurrection wouldn't negate the definition of d*ath. it's the final part of salvation, ofcourse that's the hope, to finally receive eternal life. now which definition do you use as d*ath? do we cease to exist?
These verses show d*ath is a separation of body and soul:
1 Peter 3:18-19 (details J*sus dying, then in His spirit, goes to the other spirits to proclaim victory over death)
Matthew 10:28 (J*sus detailing God's power as being able to destroy both body & soul in comparison to creatures who can ONLY destroy body. obviously meaning the soul isn't destroyed in d*ath. a separation...)
Matthew 27:50 (J*sus dying detailed as Him "giving up His spirit/ghost")
Ecclesiastes 12:7 (dust returns to dust, spirit to G*d.. separation)
James 2:26 (body without spirit = d*ath)
G*d is immortal, J*sus died, therefore He cannot be G*d.
this makes sense without context
someone can make the same argument and read 1 Kings 8:46 (detailing that all men sin) in comparison with 2 Corinthians 5:21 (saying J*sus is without sin) and say "therefore, J*sus cannot be a man".
or using Deuteronomy 6:16/Malachi 3:15 which states G*d was tempted then using James 1:13 which says G*d cannot be tempted then saying G*d cannot be G*d.
it's like a cherry picked argument from a muslim who fears context.
Very good explanation on the "death" issue. There are also many others as well, even Jesus's own statements that prove his humanity.
If I could ask, could you or anyone reading this recommend me a Biblical Unitarian Church in the Dallas,Tx area where me and my family could congregate? I would definitely apreciate it.
God bless.
Dallas Christadelphians, Fort Worth. They have website and facebook page.
@eddieyoung2104 thank you 👍
Well said brother! Thanks for all the work you guys do! The persecution I've received on this topic alone shows me there is something spiritual to it. Maybe that's why the Bible says that the antichrist were people that deny the Father and the son. To merge them denies both and creates a belief that aligns with what the Spirit of the antichrist is said to do.
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
Yes and yes! There is certainly a battle line eh? From a harmless enough so called "good christian man" I have become the districts hated heretic, glared at, told I will burn with other heretics. leading people astray........ love it, though it hit me hard at first.
In the beginning was the word. Yahshua is the Lord! He is the spoken word of God the Father. He is the Christ. We call him Jesus. The holy spirit is the part of God that we call the comforter. He opens our blind seeing eyes to the truth. That the blood of Jesus which was sacrificed on the cross. For those who repent from their sins, and believe on him will have eternal life. One day every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord. Amen
It is Yeshua which means salvation
There is no person called the word in John's prologue. Not in John 1:14 either. The word in John 1:14 CAME TO HUMANITY and dwelt IN US.....that is the correct compatible translation.
"kai ho logos sarx egeneto kai eskēnōsen en hēmin" = and the word CAME TO HUMANITY and dwelt IN US.
Humanity = the human kind of flesh (sarx).
The word came to us by way of YHWH placing his words into Jesus and Jesus delivered them to us for the purpose of DWELLING IN US.
Again. their is no second god person called the word in the Bible. Revelation 19:13 applies to YHWH, not Jesus. I cover that in part 2 of my free commentary on John's prologue.
John 1:1
a. In the beginning was the word (ho logos),
b. and the word (ho logos) was integral to God(ton theon),
c. and divine (theos) was the word (ho logos).
Alt: "and the word (ho logos) was divine (theos)."
James Moffatt, former professor of Greek and New Testament Exegesis at Mansfield College in Oxford, England, and author of the well-known Moffatt Bible, agrees. He translated John 1:1c as,
“the logos was divine.”
In 1:1b, Ton Theon with the definite article is properly translated to English as "the God" with an uppercase "G" to signify it is referring to YHWH the only true God. Translators remove the definite article and use uppercase "G" to make God a proper noun referring to YHWH, the only true God (John 17:3).
In 1:1c, Theos without the definite article is normally translated as god with a lowercase "g" and is sometimes translated as "divine."
The divine translation more accurately applies here since there is no other deity mentioned.
In John 1:1 all three instances of "ho logos" do not refer to another person or lessor god. The word is YHWH's word, and more specifically the writer is referring to none other than the GOSPEL which was in YHWH's forethought from eternity.
The use of theos without the definite article, sandwiched between "ton theon" and "ho logos," indicates "theos" is being used as a predicate adjective to describe the spirit nature and qualities of YHWH and His word as being the same spirit, life, light, eternal, holy, and divine Logos. Both YHWH and His Logos are DIVINE.
"Ho Logos" is an attribute and possession of YHWH, not a person, not a lessor god, and not Jesus.
There is no Biblical basis for concluding that the second use of theos (without the definite article) is referring to a second person whose name is the word. The Author does not write: In the beginning was Jesus.
No other deity besides YHWH is mentioned in John 's Gospel. Jesus never refers to himself as "ho logos" and neither do the Apostles.
Quote:
"The second use of theos in John 1:1c serves as a predicate adjective rather than as a predicate noun." [citation: Maximillian Zerwick, Biblical Greek, Rome: Scripta Ponificii Instituti Biblici, 1963, p. 55, par. 171; p. 57, par. 176.
Regarding John 1:1b "pros ton theon"
It is incorrect to insist that "pros" points to another person (Jesus) as having an eternal preexistent relationship with YHWH. What John is telling us is exactly what the Bible teaches: the Gospel is of the same eternal and divine spirit nature as what YHWH is. There is an eternal relationship between YHWH and His word without the word being the person of Jesus.
According to Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon the preposition pros with the accusative, as in John 1:1, 2, is a marker of movement or orientation toward someone or something. The context determines if it is a person or a something.
Pros can mean a number of things such as, according to Bauer's: toward, towards, to, near, at, during, aiming at, striving toward, against, for, to indicate a connection by marking a point of reference, with reference to/regard to (about, because of, with respect to, which concerns, which belongs to, what makes for, in accordance with, in order to, for the purpose of),in adverbial expressions (“tends toward” Jas. 5:4) by, at, near.
Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon adds the definition “pertaining to.” Also, various translations render pros with the accusative as: Concerning, as respects, pertaining to, of, even to.
Furthermore, the Greek word generally rendered as ‘with’ is para and not pros.
The assumption that "pros" means there is another person "with" God in John 1:1 can only be due to TRADITION. The mystics, Gnostics, and Philosophers like Philo infected the early church with a lessor god and /or logos theory that conflicts with the Bible.
People who insist on this interpretation overlook the Biblical evidence that "pros" can also be translated as "with" when referring to a something, rather than a someone. (Examples below).
NOTE:
The LXX renders pros ton theon as “to God.”
Eighteen other occurrences of pros ton theon in the New Testament Scriptures are translated as: “to God,” “toward God,” “related to God” or “pertaining to God.” For example, many translations render the phrase pros ton theon in Hebrews 5:2 as: “pertaining to God...” (NASB); “in relation to God...” (ESV); “related to God...” (NIV). Similarly, in Hebrews 2:17 and Romans 15:17.
The same or similar phrases are used in a number of other texts. Bauer’s choice of phrase for Romans 15:17 is “that which concerns God” in its rendering of "ta pros ton theon."
Regardless, there is Biblical evidence that "pros" can be translated as "with" when referring to a something integral to God such as his spirit, nature, attributes, word, wisdom, power, love, etc.. However, in my opinion: "integral to God" is more accurate. Truly God's word is an integral part of who God is (the self revealing one).
Job 10:12-16 informs us that God’s attributes such as life, love, wisdom, power are with Him.
Isa 40.10; 62.11 states “His reward is with Him.”
2 Kings 3:12 states “The word of the Lord is with him.”
In John 1:1c the Greek phrase "pros ton theon" refers to things and not a person. Other examples make this point clear. We have:
“things with God” (Heb 2:17; 5:1; Rom 17:15)
“conscience with God” (Acts 24:16)
“confidence with God” (2 Cor 3:4; 1 John 3:21)
“peace with God” (Rom 5:1)
“Faith with God.” (1 Thessalonians 1:8)
Jesus cannot be read into the text of John 1:1 as being YHWH or the word because YHWH and His word are not begotten or born. Jesus was begotten and born.
John 6:63 states God's word is spirit, meaning: of the same divine eternal substance.
God is a spirit. (John 4:24)
God's word is spirit. (John 6:63)
God's word does not become flesh. (John 3:6)
God's word is placed INTO Jesus. Deuteronomy 18:18.
Jesus, the Son of God, is not the "word" (logos) of John 1:1. Rather, Jesus spoke his Father's logos....the very words he said belonged to his FATHER. (John 7:15-17; John 12:49-50; John 14:10; John 14:24).
The belief that the word of God became the flesh of Jesus conflicts with the Bible which teaches us that the word of God came THROUGH Jesus to humanity to dwell in our hearts and minds and transform us. The Logos of God was placed into Jesus by God. Deuteronomy 18:18; Acts 3:22
@WilliamJonesBilly Jesus is certainly Lord ! you will read in Acts2:36 where and when God made Jesus lord. But Jesus is NOT God !!
Think about Joseph and how he was raised to Pharaohs right hand and made lord of all egypt, and was given all power and authority in egypt, and forgave and saved his brothers.
thats how it works. Jesus is Gods right hand man.
@@ken440 Amen! I finally get some support! I've been wolf packed on here for over a week and few have chimed in to help me out. I don't need help, but it's still nice to know I'm not alone. We all need family/brothers/sisters in the Lord.
@@lb7625 The name means salvation but it does not mean Jesus is God.
Here is a little Bible lesson about names:
*Emmanuel means God is with us* Matthew 1:22-23
In the Bible, a title or a name is not necessarily saying something about the one who bears it, but rather about the God who anoints them and whom they serve. For example,
Jeremiah means 'YHWH will exalt'
Samuel means ‘his name is YHWH’;
Daniel means ‘YHWH is my judge’;
Ezekiel means ‘YHWH strengthens‘;
Elijah. Means "YHWH is my Elohim."
Nehemiah means ‘YHWH comforts’;
Joshua means ‘YHWH is salvation’;
Josiah means ‘YHWH supports’;
Hezekiah means ‘YHWH strengthens’.
There are many more examples to demonstrate the point.
Emmanuel, refers to the God who begat Jesus and anointed him as His Messiah. No one in Jesus' day would have thought he was God in human form. Obviously, based on the words of His Father which Jesus spoke, his miracles, and his powers, God had visited his people through his prophet and Son Jesus. see John 3:1-2
What convinced me that Lord Jesus is not God because He says in the Bible that He is a man Who spoke the truth of God. Simple.
Yes. And Peter says he is a man. And Paul says he is a man. And God said the messiah will be a man (gen3:15). And Moses said the messiah will be a man of the people of Israel (deut18:18) and David says messiah will be a man (psm110) And as the "last Adam" he must be a man like the first Adam.
Blessings.
@@ken440
True... And Christ Himself attested that He's a man Who spoke the truth of God (John8:40,NewCenturyVersion)... Isaiah also said it (Isa.53:3). David said it (Ps.80:17),
Matthew (Matthew1:18,20),
James (Jms5:6,HCSB), and many more.....
but he says John 10:30 "I and father are one" John8:58 Before Abraham was I am. Revelation 1:1-17 "I am the first and the last" he makes it adamant that as much he spoke the truth of God he was God himself.
Except when he says he’s God 😂
Can you please name one scripture, just one, where Jesus states unambiguously, without one’s “personal interpretation” that he is God Almighty🤓
Wonderful to see uploads on this channel again!
More to come!
"BOOZER?"
Absolutely true. Deity of Jesus is a false doctrine. Goes away from the simplicity of the Gospel. The Gospel is accessible to everyone to understand. When the theology is too complicated so that we have to go to special human beings with more Brain to understand then it's a warning. Jesus be like a little child. Do not complicate the truth.
Not everyone is going to fully understand the gospels. Theology being complicated just shows how complex God is and how incomprehensible he truly is. Just because you don't get it and you can't grasp it doesn't mean its false. The truth isn't for everybody but it can be for you if you have an open mind and ask God for Guidance.
@@Daniel-oe2ky « 6. We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.7. No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.8. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.9. However, as it is written:
“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”-
the things God has prepared for those who love him-
10. these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.11. For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.12. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.13. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.14. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.15. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,16. for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.
»
1 Corinthiens 2:6-16 NIV
Amen
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John 5:22
Revelation 22:12
Revelation 22:13
@@edensessentialsnaturalwell8564 If Jesus is GOD, then WHY did
GOD the FATHER "Give Jesus, " the "Honor, " of Judging?
Obviously, Jesus didn't HAVE that Honor until it was Given to him.
By WHOM.......By his GOD and FATHER.
I agree with your theology. But how does Col 2:9, Is 9:6 and Mtt 1:23 fit in with your understanding. Though Jesus is not intrinsically God, the Bible says He will be called "God with us", "the Mighty God", "the Everlasting Father" and the fulness of Deity dwells in Him. Could you help me understand how you see this?
Moses was made God to pharaoh
I will respond to each of those verse you quoted.
First Colossians 2:9
also see Colossians 1:19
In Colossians 2:9 the Greek word "theotes" is incorrectly translated as “Deity” or “Godhead” in most English Bibles.
Deity of course means God from the Latin word Deus. This conflicts with many unambiguous verses in the Bible.
The Greek word "theotes" occurs only once in the Bible. A variation "theiotes" is found in Romans 1:20 where it is also improperly translated as "Godhead" in some English Bibles. The correct rendering in English is "divine nature." The word "Godhead" is a trinitarian invention.
"Godhead" (KJV) is a trinitarian concept, which is why it is found in most English Bibles and only in one verse (Colossians 2:9)
To understand the meaning of theotes we have to consider the context and how the first century Greek speaking Colossians understood the meaning of "theotes."
Other translations have theotes translated as:
"divine plenitude" Mace New Testament
"Divine Nature" Catholic Public Domain Version
"God's nature" Weymouth New Testament
"divine nature" Good News translation
"God's nature" Holman Christian Standard Bible
"God's nature" Christian Standard Bible
"divinity" Smith's Literal Translation
The above translations demonstrate the correct meaning of the verse is:
"the fullness of YHWH's divine nature dwells in Jesus."
EIther way you choose, the KJV rendering or the above, neither means Jesus is YHWH.
Liddell and Scott's Greek lexicon for ancient Greek translates "theotes" as “divinity, divine nature.” This is the meaning the Colossians would have perceived from Paul's use of "theotes."
Paul would have understood the word "theotes" the same way the Colossians understood its meaning in their culture. Paul was not presenting them with a new definition of the word "theotes." If he was, he would have said so and he would have given an explanation for any such change in meaning.
Imposing modern views on the text while ignoring the contemporary language and views of Paul's time is eisegesis, not exegesis. Paul wrote his letters in Koine Greek, common Greek.
"For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body." Colossians 2:9 REV Bible. This translation conveys the correct meaning, although "the fullness of the divine nature" is my preference, as this is how the Colossians would have read the verse.
The "Fullness of God" or "Fullness of Deity" relates to Jesus being filled with YHWH's holy spirit “without measure,”
(SEE: John 3:34).
Clearly Jesus had the fullness of the “divine nature” dwelling in him. This is what Paul is stating in 1 Colossians 2:9.
Does this mean Jesus is God? For those who think so, what about the next verse?
*_"So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority."_*
Colossians 2:10
The same is said about every Christian elsewhere in the Bible (Ephesians 3:19; and 2 Peter. 1:4).
Since believers are complete through their union with Jesus, these verses cannot be saying Jesus is God without his followers being God also.
The fulness of God is another way of saying "being full of God's spirit."
John states:
*_“.......for God gives him the spirit without limit."_* John 3:34
Paul states:
*_“God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him.”_* Colossians 1:19
*_"And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."_* Ephesians 3:19
Colossians 2:10; Ephesians 3:19; and 2 Peter 1:4 tells us (believers) that we have that same fullness, so verse 9 does not convey the idea that Jesus is God.
Next I will respond to Matthew 1:23: *Emmanuel-God with us?* Matthew 1:22-23
The Brown-Driver-Briggs lexicon says the meaning of Immanuel is
*‘with us is God.’*
Does this mean Jesus is God? No!
In the Bible, a title or a name is not necessarily saying something about the one who bears it, but rather about the God who anoints them and whom they serve. For example,
Samuel means ‘his name is God’;
Daniel means ‘God is my judge’;
Ezekiel means ‘God strengthens‘;
Nehemiah means ‘Yah comforts’;
Joshua means ‘Yahweh is salvation’;
Josiah means ‘Yah supports’;
Hezekiah means ‘Yah strengthens’.
There are many more examples to demonstrate the point.
Immanuel, refers to the God who begat Yahshua and anointed him Messiah. No one in Yahshua's day would have thought he was God in human form. Obviously, based on the words of His Father which Yahshua spoke, his miracles, and his powers, God had visited his people through his prophet and Son Yahshua. see John 3:1-
Now I will deal with Isaiah 9:6-7
*ISAIAH 9:6-7* The corrected translation from the REV Bible
6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty Hero, Father of the Coming Age, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to sustain it with justice and with righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Armies will perform this. REV Bible.
ISAIAH 9:6-7, a prophecy of the coming Messiah. Also see Deuteronomy 18:18 which makes it clear that the Messiah will be a prophet like Moses that YHWH raises up from the Israelites. Also note that Jesus was prophesied to be a descendant of David. Can YAHWEY be a descendant of David. Absolutely not, but the man Christ Jesus was!!
So let's look at Isaiah 9:6-7.
The opening verse of the chapter foretells a time when “there will be no more gloom for those in distress.” All war and death will cease, and “every warrior’s boot…will be destined for burning” (v. 5). Verse 5 comes about by the Messiah reigning on earth in verse 6 (yet future, because his kingdom on earth is not yet established).
NOTE that many prophecies are written as having already taken place, yet they take place in the future. It's referred to as the Hebrew Idiom "prophetic perfect." YHWH sees all past, present, and future laid out before Him. For example: Jesus was crucified before the foundations of the world (Revelation 13:8), in YHWH's foreknowledge it was a done deal, though it would be thousands of years after the foundations of the world that Jesus would be crucified.
Jesus the Nazarene, was a MAN delivered over by the PREDETERMINED PLAN AND FOREKNOWLEDGE OF GOD. He was put to death by godless men (Acts 2:22-23).
He was FOREKNOWN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, BUT WAS REVEALED IN THESE LAST TIMES for your sake, who THROUGH him are believers in God, the one who raised him out from among the dead and gave him glory so that your trust and hope are in God. *1 Peter 1:20*
The point is, in YHWH's foreknowledge, it's past tense and a done deal. That is why Isaiah 9:6 is written in the past tense and considered a Hebrew "prophet perfect Idiom."
The prophetic perfect idiom, or tense, is a literary technique used in some OT prophetic writings that describe future events that are so certain to happen that they are referred to in the past tense as if they had already happened. Isaiah 9:6 is one example.
Those who claim Isaiah 9:6 doesn't refer to the Messiah but rather to King Hezekiah are simply wrong for very good reasons. In chapters 38 and 39, Hezekiah died as a grown man, while the Israelites were still in captivity so he could hardly be the one referred to in Isaiah 9:6. Furthermore, he only turned to prayer on his deathbed.
"Churchianity" is also wrong on this verse because it does not say Jesus is God or "Almighty God." Translations that read that way are in conflict with the Bible. The KJV translators got it WRONG, and since most English translations follow the KJV, they also get it wrong.
1. *"Mighty God"* is a mistranslation in Isaiah 9:6.
Reasons:
i). In the Bible, a man who is acting with God’s authority can be called “god" using the lowercase "g" in reference to lords, kings, judges, prophets, and even the children of Israel. For example:
"I (GOD) said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'
Psalms 82:6 Jesus quoted this verse in John 10:34-36 to defend himself against the FALSE allegation by the Jews that he was declaring himself to be equal to God (YHWH). Jesus of course disagreed with their false accusation and declared himself to be the Son of God and NOT God the Son.
ii). The original Greek has no upper and lowercase letters so "theos" can be translated as God when accompanied by the definite article "ho" (the), meaning YHWH (the one true God), or as god, meaning lord, master, judge, king, ruler, or one with authority. Most readers of the Bible do not know these things about the word God and god, or that it is up to the translators to determine whether the context indicates the use of uppercase (God) or lowercase "god" for anointed humans, false gods, or the god of this world who is the Devil.
It makes much more sense to remove the pagan word God or god from the Bible and use YHWH's name as he commanded in the OT.
iii). A clear example of the Trinitarian bias of most translators can be clearly seen by comparing Isaiah 9:6 (el = “God”) with Ezekiel 31:11 (el = “ruler”). *If calling the Messiah "el" made him God, then the Babylonian king would be God also.*
iv). Isaiah 9:6 is calling the coming Messiah a *mighty ruler or mighty hero,* not Mighty God.
v). Translators can use "mighty god" (lowercase "god") to identify the coming Messiah as an appointed authority, king, or ruler. However, it is an error to use the uppercase "God" because that is reserved for YHWH alone.
vi). A better translation for the English reader would be “mighty hero,” or “divine hero.” Martin Luther and James Moffatt translated the phrase "Mighty God" as “divine hero” in their Bibles.
vii). Another translator's error is where “God” is used for powerful earthly rulers in Ezekiel 31:11 when referring to the Babylonian king. How can a earthly king be God? It should be rendered god, king, lord, ruler, but not God.
viii). The phrase translated “Mighty God” in Isaiah 9:6 in the NIV is the Hebrew "el gibbor." That very phrase, in the plural form, is used in Ezekiel 32:21 where dead “heroes” and "mighty men" are spoken of. In Ezekiel the same phrase is translated “mighty leaders” in the NIV, and “the strong among the mighty” in the KJV and NASB. When used in the singular, it can refer to a “mighty leader."
ix). Jesus sits on the throne of David in verse 7. YHWH does not sit on David's Throne. YHWH is the one that created David's throne and gave it to Jesus.
*Conclusion:* For all the above reasons Mighty God is a mistranslation. The context of Isaiah 9:6 concerns the Messiah as God’s appointed ruler. The opening verse of the chapter foretells a time when “there will be no more gloom for those in distress.” All war and death will cease, and “every warrior’s boot…will be destined for burning” (v. 5).
How will this come to pass?
The chapter goes on: “for to us a child is born and to us a son is given” (v. 6). There is no hint that this child will be “God.” There is no hint of any “incarnation” here either. The Messiah was to be a man anointed by God.
Deuteronomy 18:15-18. He would start as a child, which of course Yahweh, their eternal God, could never be.
The Messiah would grow to be a great ruler: “the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty Hero, Father of the Coming Age, Prince of Peace.”
The Messiah "will reign on David’s throne (v. 7), which is something that is never said of God. God could never sit on David’s throne. But God’s Messiah, “the Son of David,” could (Matt. 9:27, et al).
Thus, a study of the verse in its context reveals that it does not refer to Jesus as God. It refers to the human Messiah, the son of David and the Son of God.
One more comment on Isaiah 9
2. *Everlasting Father* is a mistranslation.
Jesus is never called the “Everlasting Father” anywhere else in Scripture. We do not build our understanding of who the Messiah is based on one scripture reference.
The word translated “everlasting” is more accurately translated as “age,” or "ages." Isaiah 9:6 is conveying the message that Jesus will be called *"the father of the coming ages."* What ages? THE CHURCH AGE, the AGE OF SALVATION, Age of Grace, and the Age of the Millennial Kingdom of Messiah on earth.
"Father" in Isaiah is not a reference to YHWH.
In OT times, anyone who was the first to do or begin anything new was called its “father.” For example:
*a) Jabal was the first one to live in a tent and raise livestock, the Bible says, “he was the father of those who live in tents and raise livestock” (Genesis 4:20).*
*b) Jubal was the first inventor of musical instruments, he is called, “the father of all who play the harp and flute” (Gen. 4:21).*
In Isaiah 9:6, “father” is being used in this sense of the word because the Messiah will be the one to establish the ages to come, end the death penalty for sin for those who believe, raise the dead saints, and rule over all creation, therefore he is called the *“father of the coming ages.”*
The claim that “you can’t separate Jesus’ natures” refers to the doctrine of the hypostatic union, which teaches that Jesus is fully God and fully man, united in one person. This union is mysterious and complex. However, Christian doctrine holds that while Jesus’ divine nature is eternal and cannot die, His human nature could experience death.
This does not mean separating His natures but acknowledging that His human experience included death. The divine nature did not cease to exist; it transcended death. This understanding aligns with traditional Christian theology, affirming both Jesus’ humanity and divinity.
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Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
Amen and please continue to share! The Father wants to lift the scales off of the eyes of his church who believe in the Trinity and oneness
@@calebrandall3802 What do you mean by, "Oneness?"
Thanks for bringing this to the table ! Amen ❤😊
These words makes sense.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
What convinced me that Jesus is NOT God, was the verse Jn8:58.
"Before Abraham was I AM."
Because when i relied on being told in sermons and books that it showed Jesus pre existed and had no beginning and end, it was my favourite proof verse.
Then one day I was seeking Gods help in understanding a verse in another part of the bible, and I came across Anthony Buzzard taking that "I AM" back to the original greek, "ego eimi" ( everywhere else in scripture translated "I am he") and showed it was just a simple statement of joining self with context of conversation. Not identifying with voices out of burning bushes. ( an angel according to Stevens testimony in Acts).
I became a unitarian within hours, and then all the other proofs I knew just started falling off the high podium i had put them on.
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@ken440 Jesus is God. There is no trinity.
@@thecalling6122 There is NO trinity, however, GOD the FATHER is the, "One TRUE GOD. " Jesus himself Declared it!
@@thecalling6122 God can't show Himself because He is TOO BIG. Essentially, we're all from God since He is the first Cause of everything. the topest order in the cause of causes/casualty. Based on energy theory, we're all derived/part/from God including Jesus. Calling him God doesn't make sense.
@@user-hm2is2ex9fOH------It's MUCH MORE than just being, TOO
BIG!! The Sheer BRIGHTNESS of HIS GLORY and MAJESTY
Would be FAR TOO MUCH for frail, microscopic human beings to
Handle!! NOT to mention......HIS PURE HOLINESS, and
BEAUTY!!!
Inspired by the scriptures, and Anthony Buzzard, I wrote the following regarding the mistranslated verse John 8:58:
PART 1
Did Jesus say "I am God? Is God's name I AM?
The use of uppercase letters when translating "ego eimi" in John 8:58 and "ego eimi ho on" in Exodus 3:14, is deceptive and misleads people to think Jesus is YHWH.
The Greek expression, "ego eimi" is never used as a name for YAHWEH, Jesus, or anyone.
The Greek in Exodus 3:14 reads "ego eimi ho on"
"ego eimi" translates (I am)
"ho on" translates (the one who is)."
There is no connection between "ego eimi" in John 8:58 and "ego eimi ho on" in Exodus 3:14-15.
Furthermore, God said to Moses, “Tell the children of Israel this: ‘I am the one who is [ego eimi ho on] Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered, my memorial to all generations.
~ Moses, Exodus 3:14-15.
"I am YAHWEH, that is my name." Isaiah 42:8
The truth has been established by two witnesses. Believe it or perish.
People also need to be aware that the verse numbers are not in the original Hebrew, they are added. There is no sentence breaks either. Therefore, it is improper to break up verses 14 and 15 in Exodus 3.
They must be read together as one statement.
Reading Exodus 3:14 and claiming the Greek expression "ego eimi ho on" is the same as "ego eimi" in John 8:58 does an injustice to the word of YHWH.
The 70 plus Hebrew scholars that translated the Hebrew texts into Greek (LXX) chose to translate "EHYEH ASHER EHYEH" as "ego eimi ho on" which translates to English as "I am the one who is"
The next verse tells us that the "WHO" is "YAHWEH."
Should we ignore the 70 or more Hebrew scholars who all agreed to the above translation?
Jesus NEVER EVER says I am YHWH. Jesus tells us his Father is greater then he is, and greater than ALL.
In John 8:58 Jesus was declaring himself to be the Messiah who was prophesied to come before Abraham existed. He was not declaring himself to be God.
CONTEXT is needed to understand this final declaration by Jesus that comes at the end of a long conversation.
The Greek expression is "ego eimi." This expression is not a name for anyone.
JOHN 4:
25 The woman said to him, “I know that the Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.”
26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he (ego eimi).” [the Messiah].
JOHN 7:
28 So Jesus cried out while teaching in the temple, saying, “You both know me, and know where I am from. And I have not come on my own, but he who sent me is true, whom you do not know.
29 I know him because I am from him, and he sent me.”
31 But many of the multitude believed in him, and they said, “When the Christ [Messiah] comes, will he do more signs than those that this man has done?”
[It's a rhetorical question with an obvious answer. Jesus is the Messiah and there is no other like him].
JOHN 8:
18. I am one who testifies about myself, and the Father who sent me testifies about me.” [proof Jesus is not the Father YHWH].
19. Therefore they said to him, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me, nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”
[people who think Jesus is YHWH do not know Jesus or the Father. They worship a god of foolish men's own making].
24. That is why I said to you that you will die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am the one, you will die in your sins.”
[I am the one, meaning the Messiah, the one who was prophesied to come before Abraham existed]. The Bible is quite clear on this fact. Deuteronomy 18:18; Genesis 3:15
25. So they said to him, “Who are you?” Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been telling you from the beginning. [this is a no brainer. Jesus declared himself to be the Messiah from the beginning and he proved it by fulfilling prophecy and doing miracles].
28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one. And I do nothing of myself, but as the Father taught me, I speak these things.
[again, proving Jesus is not YHWH. People who think Jesus is YHWH, know nothing of the Father or the Son. They are delusional. YHWH has not revealed Himself or His Son to them. They Follow a Jesus of their own making].
42. Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and am here; for I have not come on my own, but he sent me. [Jesus is not YHWH....proof text].
43. Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you are not able to hear my word. [People who willfully believe Jesus is YHWH are not able to hear the words of Jesus, they are spiritually dead and willfully ignorant].
44. You are of your father the Devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar, and the father of them.
45. But because I speak the truth, you do not believe me.
46. Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe me?
47. The one who is of God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
54. Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’
55. And you have not known him, but I know him. And if I were to say, ‘I do not know him,’ then I would be like you: a liar. But I know him, and keep his word.
56. Your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see my day, and he saw it, and rejoiced.” REV Bible Translation gets it right.
["saw" means KNEW and UNDERSTOOD the prophecies concerning Jesus coming]
57. Therefore, the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”
[they misunderstood Jesus words].
58. Before Abraham existed, I am ("he"), or, ("the one").
WHO? The one Jesus declared himself to be from the beginning (John 4:25-26; John 7:28-31; John 8:18-19-24-25-28; John 8:42-47).
Jesus said he is the Messiah who was prophesied to come.
Jesus is not YHWH. He never said he was YHWH.
That is the evidence.
That is the CONTEXT.
END OF PART 1
Love your work bro. This is great stuff!
Thank you! I never believed Jesus was God, I did a lot of research on the Trinity, it never made sense to me.
Thank you! Great job!
Who resurrected and ascended to heaven according to you?
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
Jesus Is God according to 1 timothy 3:16, there are also other examples
John 6:48, 50 (KJV)
48 I am that bread of life. = WORD of GOD = the living GOD
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was **with** God, and *the Word was God* .
John 10:30 (KJV) I **and** my Father **are one** .
John 8:58 (KJV) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham *was*, **I am** . (see, * "was"* vs *"am"* )
John 17:5 (KJV) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory **which I had with thee before the world was** .
Exodus 3:14 (KJV) And God said unto Moses, *I AM THAT I AM* : and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Revelation 1:7-8 (KJV) Jesus is Almighty God, He will come to this earth again and judge all of us!!
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 **I am** **Alpha and Omega** , the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which *is* , and which *was* , and which *is to come* , **the Almighty** . (who is Almighty other than God?)
John 20:27-28 (KJV)
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and *my God* . ==> Jesus never deny this!!
Matthew 4:6-7 (KJV), **see Jesus self declaration in verse 7**
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the **Lord thy God** .
**JESUS is GOD**
@@lb7625 No, he's not God according to 1 Tim. 3:16. If Jesus were God, the Scriptures, and Jesus himself, would have taught it clearly---they don't.
Great topic. Also consider O.T. "God is not the Son of Man", or what's the point of Jesus being tempted for forty days if God cannot be tempted. Or consider the transfiguration, if Jesus is God He wouldn't have needed Moses and Elijah counsel and comfort. Or consider 1 Corinthians 15:20-28.
Moses and Elijah were just a vision. They weren’t there ‘in person’.
Who is speaking in Revelation 21:6-7?
I’ve just come to this realisation. Jesus was a flesh and blood man.
He had to be born of the physical seed (sperma) of David.
Jesus could never have been our High Priest if He was God. The High Priest had to make atonement for his own sin first and that’s exactly what Jesus did:
Hebrews 5:3-4 3Because of this he is obligated to offer sacrifice for HIS OWN SINS just as he does for those of the people. 4And no one takes this honor for himself, but only when called by God, just as Aaron was.
@@Irunwithscissors63 Jesus was flesh and blood AND God, as Philippians 2:5-8 shows us, He never sinned (1 John 3:5).
The Old Testament high priests were mortal sinful men, Jesus as the new High priest is not sinful.
@@Irunwithscissors63 No Jesus had no sin.. that was under that first priesthood the levitical priesthood they had sin Jesus changed the priesthood and the law he came from Juda and he had no sin...
2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Hebrews 4:15 KJV For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Hebrews 7:12-14, 28 KJV 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
If any one grew up being taught the Bible then the best thing to do is get completely away from all of them you grew up around for several years and clear your mind by renewing it, forget all that you was ever taught and open your Bible to the beginning and tell Yehovah God to send His Spirit of Holiness to teach you the truth and read through the Bible without studying just read word for word until you complete your Bible and then start over in the beginning and read through again and continue, this way you will know that truth and you will be free from man’s imagination and adding to sweeten it up with lies and then you will be able to catch all error from others and you will be able to correct reprove and rebuke according to the Word of Yehovah God and the teachings of Yeshua ha Messiach,
The Spirit of Holiness will lead you into all truth, guide you in the way of Messiach, teach without error, comfort with assurance of your salvation, and warn you of things to come
Yes. That’s a great idea! We view everything in this world through our own biases of pain and injury. The holy spirt delivers truth by closing those injuries and giving us love.
I really recommend this book here:
The Padgett Messages by James Padgett. Free pdf online.
You did well to post this, I think it helps the algorithm. I was just recently searching for help with John 1:18 but nothing from your channel came up. I would never have seen your channel at all but for the fact I decided to search once more today. Seems that the act of posting this video helped the John 1:18 video come up in my search. I was just about to give up in despair😅
yes this channel lacks attention in algorithms, as does the TLTF channel, both great resources.
John 6:48, 50 (KJV)
48 I am that bread of life. = WORD of GOD = the living GOD
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was **with** God, and *the Word was God* .
John 10:30 (KJV) I **and** my Father **are one** .
John 8:58 (KJV) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham *was*, **I am** . (see, * "was"* vs *"am"* )
John 17:5 (KJV) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory **which I had with thee before the world was** .
Exodus 3:14 (KJV) And God said unto Moses, *I AM THAT I AM* : and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Revelation 1:7-8 (KJV) Jesus is Almighty God, He will come to this earth again and judge all of us!!
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 **I am** **Alpha and Omega** , the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which *is* , and which *was* , and which *is to come* , **the Almighty** . (who is Almighty other than God?)
John 20:27-28 (KJV)
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and *my God* . ==> Jesus never deny this!!
Matthew 4:6-7 (KJV), **see Jesus self declaration in verse 7**
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the **Lord thy God** .
**JESUS is GOD**
@@Husein_Tan so you think that by capitalizing BREAD OF LIFE, a metaphor, and adding an equals sign then you can make it actually be the God most high?
Thats about as strong as Von Danikens book claiming that as UFOs are seen flying about in the clouds and Jesus rose into the clouds then "therefore= jesus is an alien" (chariots of the gods, in case he never published in your homeland )
By the way my wife and i are one. In raising our children.
You and I are one in calling on Jesus anointed, for salvation from the second death.
blessings brother.
@@Husein_Tan by the way do some study on jn8:58 and look up those two words in the greek. ego eimi means I connected to context as in I did eat all the icecream or I AM the one who you claim gulped down the icecream. context in my case icecream.
In jn8:58 context is messiah promised to Abraham.
If you look at it in LXX in Exodus the angel in the bush said "ego eimi ho on" meaning I AM THE GOD. And context is "the God." not the expression of conjunction which in the very many other places is translated "I am (he)." like in your first verse above "I am the bread of life" where the context is bread of life.
Please do some due diligence, christianity is the right way to go, true life, but you have been taught some bad old catholic religious dogma mixed with it.
Jesus is Gods son through Mary, the second Adam,, the anointed man, the lamb of God who shed blood on passover so you and i can come under that covering blood, provided by our father God at great cost, not God dying himself !! His Passover lamb died, that He provided for us.
@@Husein_Tan Jn1:1. which beginning is John talking about with his clever double entendre, might it be the same beginning he draws attention to, that Matt, Mark. Luke and Acts mention? The beginning of the church? because thats what those other four books are about, and John might just be drawing attention to the beginning of Gods word, recorded in scripture, where there in Gods word we see the promise of a human messiah in Gen3 and Deut18. A promise that was "fleshed out" in the course of time. (see the ancients knew about metaphors too!)
I mean i think I pointed that out to you IN THE BEGINNING.
why did i say i said that at the beginning of creation? It was my Word in these comments. Not the creation of the universe.
Brother i was a trinitarian for almost 40 years, working in christian radio, fault finding in logic assemblies, helping creation ministries international, missions, until 6 years ago when i turned my attention solely on scripture and the worldview of those it was written too at the time, and checking tbe language it was written in. Then became apparent the religious tradition that translational bias (Alexandrian greek) had done to it, needing reformation and myriad bible versions and religious power play.
I pray you will read your scripture outside of the preacher who insists you read John first, and see the trinity. Its a lie. The real picture is there in the text if you read it without the blinkers fitted by meddling priests.
It says he is immortal, not that he cannot die! Jesus said himself he has power to lay down his life and raise it up again.
Bro what??
immortal -
adjective
Not subject to death.
Yes he is , when God bring his back again from the death.
Your Bible everywhere states Jesus was RISEN from the dead... that >-GOD
@@varor4786Yes God rose Jesus from the dead and Jesus said He would do it…this is proof of the trinity
@@MrsTayIorexactly 😂 like huh
I love this video. Thank you for sharing. Did Jesus resurrected in a spirit or in the human body? Hope you can make a video about that. Some Christians groups have the theology that Jesus resurrected as spirit...
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
Luke 24:39 denies that.
John 6:48, 50 (KJV)
48 I am that bread of life. = WORD of GOD = the living GOD
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was **with** God, and *the Word was God* .
John 10:30 (KJV) I **and** my Father **are one** .
John 8:58 (KJV) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham *was*, **I am** . (see, * "was"* vs *"am"* )
John 17:5 (KJV) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory **which I had with thee before the world was** .
Exodus 3:14 (KJV) And God said unto Moses, *I AM THAT I AM* : and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Revelation 1:7-8 (KJV) Jesus is Almighty God, He will come to this earth again and judge all of us!!
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 **I am** **Alpha and Omega** , the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which *is* , and which *was* , and which *is to come* , **the Almighty** . (who is Almighty other than God?)
John 20:27-28 (KJV)
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and *my God* . ==> Jesus never deny this!!
Matthew 4:6-7 (KJV), **see Jesus self declaration in verse 7**
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the **Lord thy God** .
**JESUS is GOD**
Incorruptible flesh and the above verse is good
“Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save. Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Surely shall one say, In the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.”
Isaiah 45:20-25 KJVAE
“For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.”
Romans 14:11 KJVAE
“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:5-11 KJVAE
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
1 Timothy 3:16 KJVAE
God was manifest in the flesh, God was justified in the Spirit, God was seen of angels, God was preached unto the gentiles, God was believed on in the world, God was received up into glory. GOD DID ALL OF THIS IN THE MAN CHRIST JESUS, THE SON OF GOD. GOD MANIFESTED HIMSELF IN THE FLESH (SON OF GOD). Jesus was the tabernacle or temple of God. All the fulness of God dwelt in him. That’s why he sometimes is referred to as the God man. He wasn’t just ANY man. He would house the presence of the eternal Spirit (the Father). Hebrews 9 says that Christ offered himself without spot through the eternal Spirit. Jesus is God and He is the lamb that sits on the ONE throne set in heaven.
Unitarians are correct to say that Jesus was a man. But they fail to recognize that ALL of the fulness of God dwelt in that man. He wasn’t just any man. Jesus said I and my Father are one and that all men should honor the son even as they honor the Father. Hebrews reiterates “Let all the angels of God worship Him”. A mere man must not be worshipped. Jesus said before Abraham was ‘I AM’. There is only one who can lay claim to that title; YHWH Himself told Moses I AM hath sent you. And a mere man cannot say he existed before Abraham was unless He were present before Abraham existed. He was the eternal God who was in Christ Jesus. Jesus said ‘Destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up’. How could he being a man raise it up? Jesus was the temple. He was also God who dwelt in the temple. “Thou hast prepared for Him a body”. God dwelt in the man Christ Jesus who was the temple of God. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto HIMSELF. Yes He was a special man. Jesus said if you believe not that I AM, you shall die in your sins. He was a man but he wasn’t just ANY man. He was Emmanuel, GOD WITH US. The Father provided eternal redemption through the son. The fulness of God dwelt and dwells in the son. I am not Trinitarian. I am a oneness believer. I am just repeating what the word says about Jesus. Jesus is the one God manifest in the flesh. He is God and the lamb that is sitting on ONE throne set in heaven. He must reign as a son, the son of God, until all enemies are made his footstool. And then when that happens, God will be all in all. There will no longer be a need for sonship.
Simple explanation and well said. Thank you for taking the time to make this! This is the passage that truly convinced me.
"Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death-that is, the devil- and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted." Hebrew 2:14-18
@MrsTaylor
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
@@Husein_Tan let me stop right there. Just scrolling very briefly through your list of verses you have chosen to use some very questionable translations. For instance: John 1:1. Based on knowledge of “logos” or “Word” in English, this translation has been pulled from either the KJV or the NIV and in both of these translations that capitalize “Word” has if it is referring to a proper noun. The “word” is used nearly 300 times in the Greek New Testament and only 7 times did they decide to capitalize it in the KJV and NIV. If you go back and research the logos, it disappears from translations nearly half of the time. To make this absolutely clear, the word “logos” in the Greek has many meanings including account, appearance, book, command, conversation, eloquence, flattery, grievance, heard, instruction, matter, message, ministry, news, proposal, question, reason, reasonable, reply, report, rule, rumor, said, say, saying, sentence, speaker, speaking, speech, stories, story, talk, talking, teaching, testimony, thing, things, this, truths, what, why, word and words. So capitalizing “word” and applying a meaning that is not found anywhere else in scripture is NOT a reasonable argument for the trinity. You are holding to incorrect teachings for what???
@@MrsTayIor
see verse 6 & 8
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
@@Husein_Tan let’s not skip over some important verses there. “Hebrew 1:3
“Who is the reflection of his glory, and the exact representation of his nature, and is upholding all things by his powerful word. After he had accomplished the cleansing for sins, he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.” Notice some important information here. Reflection and representation but never suggesting that he is exactly him but exactly who he calls himself to be. The only begotten son. A lot like his father by not equal.
Now for your verses:
“And when he again brings the firstborn into the inhabited world, he says, And let all the angels of God bow down before him. And of the angels it says, who makes his angels as winds, and his ministers as a flaming fire, of the Son it says, Your throne is God forever and ever, and the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness rather than your companions.
Trinitarians say that Hebrews 1:8 supports that trinity but this is a direct reference to Psalm 45 and God’s promise there. Jews never read Psalm 45 to mean “God in the flesh.” There has been much debate about Psalm 45 but even Trinitarians scholars are unsure of its exact translation for how the word “god” is being used. Another thing to note, is the phrase “God, your God.” How are they coequal and coeternal if Jesus has a God? He prays to his God, obeys his God, calls him his God.
@@Husein_Tan your Is9:6 "mighty god" in Hebrew is "el gibbor" which is also in other places in scripture used to say "mighty one" and also refer to king of Babylon. The term "el" which is rendered God in your verse was a common term for "God" in other cultures in the mid east in ancient times.
God cannot be tempted, Jesus was tempted in all points without sin, when we really see Jesus as a man our respect and awe for Him rises immensely for He did what you and I are faced with every day and He overcame. We seem to succumb at times. He beat the devil at his game, including death, for God His Father raised Him from the dead! Great video, you go Biblical Unitarian!!!!
: It was only his human nature that was tempted. LOL !
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pqright 😂😂 something they make up 💀😂😂
That's the whole point through one man came sin Roman's 5:12 -15 through one grace one man Jesus Christ
Please re-read the following OT passages and ask your question again:
Ex 17:2
Duet 6:16
Make 3:15.
If Jesus isn’t the Son of God (God the Son) who is He?
Why do we see clearly in scripture the titles, actions and attributes of God?
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John 5:30,37,43
[30]I can do nothing by myself; as I hear, so I judge; and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my will, but the will of the one who sent me, the Father's.
[37]Also the Father who sent me has testified about me. You have never heard his voice, nor seen his appearance,
[43]I have come in the name of my Father, and you do not receive me; If another comes in his own name, him you will receive. - Matthew 7:21
[21]Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 12:18
[18]Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; My Beloved, in whom my soul delights; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will announce judgment to the Gentiles.
You make a great point on the outset which I have neglected. There are competing Trinitarian definitions. Neither of which hold up well from a strictly scriptural basis.
I appreciate the comment!
I used to believe Jesus was God Himself…. But then I realized that I was completely wrong.
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
@@shanebell2514 His Father.
@@ronymanuel507 John 2:19-21 "Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body."
I`m not denying the Father raised Him too.
@@ronymanuel507 Dont be thrown by the temple comment.
Jesus once raised three days later raised his body, us, the church, which we individually are the "temple of the spirit" and he Jesus as head of the new creation has been doing it ever since. So Jesus did raise the temple in three days. This shanebell character goes all over the comments on many channels and lays this weak trap question.
@@ronymanuel507exactly
In addition to Jesus’ specific claims about Himself, His disciples also acknowledged the deity of Christ. They claimed that Jesus had the right to forgive sins-something only God can do-as it is God who is offended by sin (Acts 5:31; Colossians 3:13; Psalm 130:4; Jeremiah 31:34). In close connection with this last claim, Jesus is also said to be the one who will “judge the living and the dead” (2 Timothy 4:1). Thomas cried out to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28). Paul calls Jesus “great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) and points out that prior to His incarnation Jesus existed in the “form of God” (Philippians 2:5-8). God the Father says regarding Jesus: “Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever” (Hebrews 1:8). John states that “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word [Jesus] was God” (John 1:1). Examples of Scriptures that teach the deity of Christ are many (see Revelation 1:17, 2:8, 22:13; 1 Corinthians 10:4; 1 Peter 2:6-8; Psalm 18:2, 95:1; 1 Peter 5:4; Hebrews 13:20), but even one of these is enough to show that Christ was considered to be God by His followers.
Jesus is also given titles that are unique to YHWH (the formal name of God) in the Old Testament. The Old Testament title “redeemer” (Psalm 130:7; Hosea 13:14) is used of Jesus in the New Testament (Titus 2:13; Revelation 5:9). Jesus is called Immanuel-“God with us”-in Matthew 1. In Zechariah 12:10, it is YHWH who says, “They will look on me, the one they have pierced.” But the New Testament applies this to Jesus’ crucifixion (John 19:37; Revelation 1:7). If it is YHWH who is pierced and looked upon, and Jesus was the one pierced and looked upon, then Jesus is YHWH. Paul interprets Isaiah 45:22-23 as applying to Jesus in Philippians 2:10-11. Further, Jesus’ name is used alongside God’s in prayer “Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ” (Galatians 1:3; Ephesians 1:2). This would be blasphemy if Christ were not deity. The name of Jesus appears with God’s in Jesus’ commanded to baptize “in the name [singular] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19; see also 2 Corinthians 13:14).
Actions that can be accomplished only by God are credited to Jesus. Jesus not only raised the dead (John 5:21, 11:38-44) and forgave sins (Acts 5:31, 13:38), He created and sustains the universe (John 1:2; Colossians 1:16-17). This becomes even clearer when one considers YHWH said He was alone during creation (Isaiah 44:24). Further, Christ possesses attributes that only deity can have: eternality (John 8:58), omnipresence (Matthew 18:20, 28:20), omniscience (Matthew 16:21), and omnipotence (John 11:38-44).
Now, it is one thing to claim to be God or to fool someone into believing it is true, and something else entirely to prove it to be so. Christ offered many miracles as proof of His claim to deity. Just a few of Jesus’ miracles include turning water to wine (John 2:7), walking on water (Matthew 14:25), multiplying physical objects (John 6:11), healing the blind (John 9:7), the lame (Mark 2:3), and the sick (Matthew 9:35; Mark 1:40-42), and even raising people from the dead (John 11:43-44; Luke 7:11-15; Mark 5:35). Moreover, Christ Himself rose from the dead. Far from the so-called dying and rising gods of pagan mythology, nothing like the resurrection is seriously claimed by other religions, and no other claim has as much extra-scriptural confirmation.
There are at least twelve historical facts about Jesus that even non-Christian critical scholars will admit:
1. Jesus died by crucifixion.
2. He was buried.
3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.
4. Jesus’ tomb was discovered (or was claimed to be discovered) to be empty a few days later.
5. The disciples believed they experienced appearances of the risen Jesus.
6. After this, the disciples were transformed from doubters into bold believers.
7. This message was the center of preaching in the early Church.
8. This message was preached in Jerusalem.
9. As a result of this preaching, the Church was born and it grew.
10. Resurrection day, Sunday, replaced the Sabbath (Saturday) as the primary day of worship.
11. James, a skeptic, was converted when he also saw the resurrected Jesus.
12. Paul, an enemy of Christianity, was converted by an experience which he believed to be an appearance of the risen Jesus.
Even if someone were to object to this specific list, only a few are needed to prove the resurrection and establish the gospel: Jesus’ death, burial, resurrection, and appearances (1 Corinthians 15:1-5). While there may be some theories to explain one or two of the above facts, only the resurrection explains and accounts for them all. Critics admit that the disciples claimed they saw the risen Jesus. Neither lies nor hallucinations can transform people the way the resurrection did. First, what would they have had to gain? Christianity was not popular and it certainly did not make them any money. Second, liars do not make good martyrs. There is no better explanation than the resurrection for the disciples’ willingness to die horrible deaths for their faith. Yes, many people die for lies that they think are true, but people do not die for what they know is untrue.
In conclusion, Christ claimed He was YHWH, that He was deity (not just “a god” but the one true God); His followers (Jews who would have been terrified of idolatry) believed Him and referred to Him as God. Christ proved His claims to deity through miracles, including the world-altering resurrection. No other hypothesis can explain these facts. Yes, the deity of Christ is biblical.
Hi! Do unitarians believe in the rapture? Most christians nowadays believe in this, but the doctrine just seems off to me? How can we all just fly in the sky when Christ comes? That makes no sense. Also, how do you deal with people calling you a heretic? When you try and tell people this info they are quick to say you are committing heresy. Oh! One more question 😂. If the trinity comes from pagan orgins, what about Christmas, Easter, weddings, and other stuff like that? Thanks in advance!
@@jordyn_shorts I can't answer for other Unitarian groups, but as a Christadelphian, we don't believe in the rapture. But, instead that Jesus returns to raise the dead, immortalise the faithful who are alive at the time, and then he establishes the kingdom of God on earth, where the saints reign with him.
How do I deal with being called a heretic. I don't get too bothered about it, because it's just standard stuff. On UA-cam it is anyway.
Christmas and Easter are generally acknowledged among Christadelphians as having pagan origin, and because of that some don't celebrate them, but others don't get hung up about it. Again I can't answer for other groups. Personally, even without the pagan origin, I think Christmas is a waste of money, and over hyped. And the fact it gets people into debt, makes it an event to be discouraged if we want the best for each other. At least the gifting side of it anyway. But as a body we don't have a definite position on it. Weddings I've not considered as pagan, but I guess certain aspects might be.
God gave Jesus the authority over flesh - He inherits the right to forgive sin.
However, each time he healed, he said to the prostitute and the many by the pool go and sin no more - that's a command
All false religions and cults have one thing in common, they all deny the deity of the LORD God Almighty, Jesus Christ.
Troy------Jesus is NOT the Eternal, Almighty, Omniscient HOLY SPIRIT.
Only GOD the FATHER qualifies as such!
Jesus Declared, he has the very same GOD and FATHER as you and I.
AND;
He also Declared that his GOD and FATHER is the, "One TRUE GOD. "
I don't know HOW people MISS these Obvious Truths!
May sure message be heard and received
Who is being referred to in 1 Timothy 3:16?
Yes, its so simple the truth, and yet the truth is almost impossible for the deceived.
May I please add The Biblical Facts Jesus Is Not GOD Or An Angel, Or Pre-existed His flesh!
By Simon Brown
In the beginning was GOD's word, not GOD's Son, John 1:1, Genesis 1: 3 And God said.
Jesus is The (Word of GOD), NOT GOD the Word, John 1:14, Revelation 19:13.
GOD did not become flesh, or is He a MAN, or a Son of MAN. The Word of GOD became the MAN Jesus, Numbers 23:19, John 1:14.
If Jesus were Michael the Archangel, John 1:14 would say: and Michael the Archangel became flesh.
If Jesus were GOD the Father, John 1:14 would say: And GOD the Father became flesh.
The True Jesus was foreknown, not Pre-existing, 1 Peter 1:20.
Nowhere in the whole Bible does it say Jesus was going ''BACK'' or ''RETURNING'' to the Father. John 13:3,John 16:28.
In the beginning GOD spoke through the prophets, not through the Son Hebrews 1:1.
GOD spoke through His SON in the last days, not in the beginning of days Hebrews 1:2.
GOD The Son cannot be the SON of GOD, because The Son would instead be the Son of Himself.
GOD gave His SON, not Himself. John 3:16.
If the Father were the SON, why would the Father need to come as the SON?
Why would we need a Mediator to get to GOD, if Jesus were already GOD?
No one has ever seen GOD at any time, John 1:1, 1 John 4:12, contrary to the fact that Jesus has been seen thousands of times.
Jesus has a GOD, so Jesus cant be that GOD.
Humans and Angels must not worship Angels, proving Jesus was not an Angel. Revelation 22:9.
The Only Begotten Son was Begotten, GOD is not Begotten, but always was.
The true Jesus was BORN from GOD, not from eternity.
Jesus is The (Son of Man), GOD is not a Son of man Numbers 23:19
Jesus must be a MAN and not GOD, to be a Mediator between GOD and Man.
Jesus is the second and last perfect Adam, so as Adam did not pre-exist, nor did the second, and last perfect Adam.
Jesus freely gave His life, which would not be possible if Jesus were GOD.
Jesus is never called The Almighty GOD, but the SON of the Almighty GOD, John 10:36.
The Almighty GOD never ever said He was the Son, just as the Son never ever said He was GOD.
Jesus said He could do nothing on His own proving He was not Almighty GOD.
Jesus will hand over the world back to GOD, but should be back to Himself if Jesus were already GOD.
GOD is ONE person, that's why GOD is called The ''ONE TRUE GOD'' John 17:3.
THREE separate persons who are each GOD, makes THREE GODS, and not One GOD.
Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say GOD is THREE persons.
In John 14:11 Jesus tells us He is "IN" the Father and the Father is ''IN'' Him. If Jesus were GOD that would make TWO GODS.
Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say the Holy Spirit is a separate person.
There is no separate Holy Spirit in John 1:1, or John 10:30, or on GOD's throne, or anywhere in the whole Bible.
Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say Jesus is the creator.
Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say Jesus was GOD and a MAN, or had two natures.
A Pre-existing Jesus could not be The True Christ, because The True Christ came into existence in the women's womb as The Son of MAN.
Christ never means I AM GOD, but means (The anointed one of GOD).
In John 8:58 Jesus said: (I am). NOT I Existed.
John 8:58, (I am) means (I am the one), as seen in John 4:6. NOT I AM GOD, or ALIVE before being born.
Notice how Jesus tells us in John 8:56 Abraham your father rejoiced in that he should see My day--and he saw it and rejoiced."
Did you notice how nothing was said by Jesus saying He was ALIVE and saw Abraham, which should be the case if Jesus meant what most believe that Jesus was GOD or ALIVE with GOD before He was Begotten?
Thanks to GOD through Christ!
Because of GOD, Jesus will live for eternity, proving Jesus is not GOD.
Because of Jesus, we can come to know the One True GOD and father of creation.
Because of Jesus, the saved will live for eternity, so lets thank GOD for Jesus, for eternity.
What GOD and Christ do you know?
You say a lot of truths but you have a misunderstanding of what trinitarians believe.
You keep coming back to that Jesus can't be God the Father, and this is exactly what they believe. They don't "confuse the three persons of the deity, so the Son is not the Father and neither is the Father the Son." Actually, they don't believe that God is a person at all. They believe that God is an essence, and this essence (God) consists of three seperate persons. That's why the classical trinitarian formula is: God is three in person but one in essence, three who's but one what.
Might sound crazy but this is actually what they believe.
@@RufusBlad Excuse me, I know very well what the Trinitarians say and believe.
I was a Trinitarian for 10 deceived years, who also taught the Trinity was true, and at one time used the same scriptures they us.
The PAGAN TRINITY is ONE God as three separate persons.
The PAGAN TRINITY was adopted by the Catholics from the TRINITY pagan gods.
@@RufusBladIn this trinitarian view there can be no son and no father, these become arbitrary meaningless titles to two of three 'gods' .......you could call them John Paul and Ringo, makes no difference.
Ask a trinitarian if God has a Son, or if Jesus is the son of his Father, they can't just say yes.
@@Shilly-Mcshillface
Yeah, I totally agree. In a trinitarian mind God is not his father, but rather that's a quality God has. They might not say this, but through what they say and teach you see it. That's why you hear things like: "you have to get to know God as a father", which is actually a pretty strange statement because if you get to know God you will automatically know the Father. But for a trinitarian God is three persons you can get to know, and these three persons has different roles. So instead of God as a divine being being our Father (which would mean 100% of that being is our father) the trinitarian believes that God is a being in which the person God the Father is our Father. So in the end, only 33% of the trinitarian God is the Father.
I once listened to a sermon called "The God I never knew" speaking of the Holy Spirit. It must seem odd that a person can say he knows God (Jesus), but then say that he doesn't know the Holy Spirit (for him also God) and therefore have to read books about getting to know the Holy Spirit. In the end "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" are just meaningless titles, just as you said.
The reasons a false belief is difficult to challenge is because of fear.
False beliefs almost always cover emotions of grief which people don’t want to feel.
Trinity isn’t nusf one issue. The very nature of God suddenly becomes more loving and simple.
There is a lot of grief in this, because that opens the door to the fact God might not have needed to sacrifice anyone, and also that we may all ACTUALLY be equal children in gods eyes. All children of God. Just as the bible says.
Most Christians use evidence of sacrifice as ways to be very unloving in their relationship demanding sacrifices of each other.
That’s also thrown out of the window. It also makes the very. Orion if Jesus seem more powerful. A man attained that? Suddenly it opens the door that god loves us enough that WE might attain that also!
Show us your Greek interpretation/translation of Acts 20:28 and 1 Tim. 3:16. God's own blood was shed on the Cross and God was manifest in the flesh. Strong's fully concurs.
NEWSFLASH;
ALMIGHTY GOD does NOT bleed!
ACTS 20:28, Is simply making reference to the one who "Obeyed" his
GOD and FATHER, in Willingly dying on the Cross.
PHIL.2:8-11.
Jesus was a MAN, ( ACTS 2:22-24/GAL.1:1/ROM.5:15-19/1 TIM.2:5,
ETC., therefore, HE could Bleed. ALMIGHTY GOD IS SPIRIT, HE
does NOT consist of "FLESH!" And HE doesn't reduce HIMSELF to the Lowly State of mere mortal. Scripture TELLS us what HE did.
And what HE did was.....HE, "Raised up a Son, by way of human
birth," to die for our sins. GAL.4:4-7.
Jesus was, "Born of a woman.....Born under the Law. "
WHOSE "Law?"
The Law of GOD HIMSELF.
You don't understand the usage of the word, "Manifest. " It simply
Means, "Showed Forth. " In other words, GOD revealed the
Salvation of man "THROUGH, " HIS, "Only Begotten Son. "
Once AGAIN;
ALMIGHTY GODS does NOT BLEED!
Just goes to show how RIDICULOUS your doctrine really IS!!
And you don't even SEE it!
GOODNESS!!
Actually, if you Knew your, Bible a bit better, you'd KNOW, GOD
HIMSELF is Not "Flesh, 0:05 0:05 " not in ANY Sense of the word! Obviously,
ACTS 20:28, Is making reference of Christ, who offered himself
as the, "LAMB of GOD." GOD HIMSELF is never refered to as a,
"LAMB!" And Jesus is also called, "The Son of man." This too,
is NOT a designation that was ever given to GOD HIMSELF.
ALSO-------Jesus is called the, "2ND ADAM, " because the First ADAM
failed to represent his GOD and FATHER.
Obviously, ALMIGHTY GOD is never refered to in this way!
1 TIM.2:5, Draws a Clear, and DISTINCT Difference between GOD and Christ. Jesus, on the one hand, is called, the, "MEDIATOR
between GOD and Men.......the MAN, Christ Jesus. "
One is the, "Mediator," or, "Go between, " the Other is HE that is
giving DIRECTION to the Mediator.
Also;
In PSALM 16:10, Jesus is compared to a, "PROPHET like unto Moses. " We see the N.T., Fulfillment in ACTS 2:27.
LUKE 24:39, Is where Jesus tells the Frightened Disciples, that
he is NOT a SPIRIT. And this was AFTER both his Resurrection and Glorification!
And there are MANY such Contradictions to the, "Jesus is GOD, "
Theology.
If GOD the FATHER isn't the Eternal, Almighty, Omniscient HOLY SPIRIT, then just What IS HE?
Jesus, on the other hand, is NEVER Portrayed as a SPIRIT, much less, the Eternal, Almighty, Omniscient HOLY SPIRIT!
This automatically illuminates him as GOD!
@@raygsbrelcik5578 You teach of Joo-sus and practice Joo-ry.
@@raygsbrelcik5578 You teach of Joo-ziss and practice Joo-ree.
@@raygsbrelcik5578 You don't know the Bible OR God. You don't embrace and worship Jesus, you don't receive the Father. (Gal. 3:16, 26, 29) You worship an "other". Nobody gets to the Father without going through Christ. (Jn. 14:6)
Have you got a video explaining why the Old Testament focuses on God saving and the New Testament focuses on not God saving?
Great question. I think you're referring to why God is primarily called the savior in the OT and Jesus is primarily called savior in the NT? If that is your question, God the Father is primarily called savior in the OT because he was a savior in a certain sense (Exodus) and Jesus is called the savior primarily in the NT in a different sense (savior from death, and our eternal punishment). They are both saviors just in different senses. They can both rightly be called Savior.
@biblicalunitarian and no one was in any doubt God saved in the OT. But now, in this strange addition to the Bible (for you), a not God being saves.
So is Jesus a man or what to you?
I have never had the thought that Jesus is God . I attended a Baptist church from child hood where we did bible study from the 1611 King James . This was from the late 60s up till 1990 that I attended the same church . No one ever tried to indicate from the from our bible study class that Jesus was God, but always confirmed Jesus is the son of God .
I bothers me that all Alexandrian religions which steam from Catholicism teach that Jesus is God . Doesn't the bible make it clear enough that Satan will come saying he is the Christ and will be just the one who wants everyone to believe that he is not only their savior, but God as well .
Jesus is God's son.
Well yeah he’s the son who is co-equal with the father
…and co equal with the Spirit (no one ever shows him love 😭)
Shalom. From Jakarta Indonesia.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
Hebrews 1:8-12 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Do you believe that the spirit of Jesus lives in your heart? Or only the spirit of the Father?
Amen, truth spoken here!
Christ never claimed to be god. He claimed to be the son of man. In John 16:11
He said that the spirit has condemned the prince of this world , according to judgement. To be the son of god , that automatically makes you a prince. Which is Satan , with their pretentious title the sons of god. Christ is a prophet , not god. But the spirit was working with him. He is our brother not our god.
Actually, Jesus did claimed He is God. "You shall not tempt the Lord your God" - (Matthew 4:7).
Peace and Blessings!
@@TheWitness-fx4xq Non Witness
The spirit of god revealed to me that Christ is our brother not our god. He was not allowed to rise above the creation. Which the spirit informed me , means humanity. And he proves this by being poor and homeless. He told the smug and religious men of his day. That in the last days they would not enter into his rest. And they were like , adamant they were allowed. But didn't we perform miracles in your name? And cast out demons in your name? And did many wonderful works in your name? Why are we not allowed. Because when I was hungry you didn't feed me. When I was thirsty you didn't give me water. When I was naked you didn't cover me. When I was in prison you never came to see me. When I was in sorrow you didn't comfort me. The religious men said. When did we ever see YOU!! in those conditions??!! If you never helped the out cast , the low life , the poverty stricken. You never helped me! Be gone with you , I don't know you.
Paul said in those times , once the man holding Satan back is gone. The miracles performed would be in accordance with the powers of Satan. Satan will be performing his dance and magic show on those going with him. The ones who worshiped the false prophet , the white Jesus.
@@Arnold-uf1ko I'm not sure with your personal revelation from God. You might be a prophet or not. Only you and God can know that because He is the only one that can see through you, not me or anyone else. If you're faking it then you are answerable to Him, if not then good for you but for me and the rest of the Christians out there, we believe in his words in the Bible thus, I can only give you scriptures to attest my words or comments.
JESUS IS GOD
When Satan tempted Jesus in Matthew 4:7, only the two of them were talking. I know Jesus was quoting a scripture (that's pretty obvious) but He only did that to remind Satan who He is, by saying with authority "You shall not tempt the Lord your God".
Now, tell me. Who was Satan tempting at that moment?
If Jesus were just a mere man, or were just a prince or lesser than God then He would be committing a serious blasphemy against God (His Father) by just uttering those words to Satan, don't you think? Then, He can no longer be called righteous and pleasing to God and find favor in Him because blasphemy is a sin. Since, Jesus is without sin thus, He was surely telling the Truth because there are no lies in Him, for He is the Truth. "I am the way and the truth and the life..." - (John 14:6).
Peace and Blessings!
@@TheWitness-fx4xq
Faith is something personal. And it's not a debate , matching wits to prove itself worthy. I told you. Christ is our brother , we are forbidden to worship , man , angel and demon. Why then would god come in human form to debase his own law? Satan was tempting a powerful prophet. Not god. How could you think that god would be tempted by a mere man. Satan is a man. Can you imagine my disappointment when I saw them in person ; they were trying to recruit me. Where as the beings of light who I did speak to. Were as god , but they were adamant they were men like myself. Only of a higher faith. Satan and his human men call themselves by a pretentious title ... the sons of god. You are raised in lies. I was taught from childhood what those lies are by the spirit. And before you go there. NO!!;. Satan would never EVER!! pose as a being of light. And give you proof there is a god , then you repent , and all that.
@@TheWitness-fx4xqThis is the first time ever I hear that interpretation of Matthew 4:7. It is normally understood as a response of Jesus to Satan's claim that he could just throw himself down the pinnacle of the temple and God would send His angels so that he wouldn't get hurt. So Jesus then says: "Again it is written: 'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test'". This would then be something Jesus says as a response to Satan but which applies to himself. "No, I won't throw myself down because it is also written..."
This interpretation is also supported by the next temptation to fall down and worship Satan. It wouldn't make sence if Jesus would say to Satan, who is telling him to worship him: "No Satan, YOU shall only worship the Lord YOUR God." As in the second tempation, Jesus is using the truth from the Scripture to fight of Satan's temptations. So even if he is responding to Satan, the application is to himself.
Jesus basically says: I shall not only live by bread alone (first tempation), I shall not tempt the Lord my God (second temptation), I shall only worship the Lord my God".
Also, this happens while Jesus is being tempted in the dessert, which proofs he isn't God because it is written: God cannot be tempted by evil (James 1:13)."
Those who deny the premise and conclusion, are those who are experiencing severe cognitive dissonance as a result of the premise and conclusion.
Not really, see my comment.
They deny it because of 1600 years of Trinitarian violence and torture against those who refuse to believe their man-made doctrine, which "Churchianity" of today still teaches, but their numbers are declining.
@@CC_70 There are well over a thousand comments here. Nobody in their right mind would go looking for your post. It's best you reproduce it within your reply.
What's confusing you my brother? Lord Jesus is true God and true Man. The scripture is clear on both natures. In John 1 it says " in the beginning, the Word was with God and the Word was God " this verse shows you that Lord Jesus is God but He is also true Man therefore He has a body that can suffer and die like any other human being because He has a soul. He is called Son of Man in the scriptures. On calvary He died because His soul came out of His body and therefore was buried and He rose from the dead meaning that His soul came back to His body. Of course His Divinity remained intact
I agree with you. Let ´s follow the Bible, not man-made doctrines.
How do you explain Philippians 2:6-11
Isn't it not part of your Bible?🤔
@@eddixxon the name jehovah is applied to jesus, that's not really a problem.
@@xxxViceroyxxx
Then it simply means that Jesus is God and you can't run away from the Trinity! Period! Unless you're adamant to die as a hopeless, unrepentant Heretic....
John 6:48, 50 (KJV)
48 I am that bread of life. = WORD of GOD = the living GOD
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was **with** God, and *the Word was God* .
John 10:30 (KJV) I **and** my Father **are one** .
John 8:58 (KJV) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham *was*, **I am** . (see, * "was"* vs *"am"* )
John 17:5 (KJV) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory **which I had with thee before the world was** .
Exodus 3:14 (KJV) And God said unto Moses, *I AM THAT I AM* : and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Revelation 1:7-8 (KJV) Jesus is Almighty God, He will come to this earth again and judge all of us!!
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 **I am** **Alpha and Omega** , the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which *is* , and which *was* , and which *is to come* , **the Almighty** . (who is Almighty other than God?)
John 20:27-28 (KJV)
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and *my God* . ==> Jesus never deny this!!
Matthew 4:6-7 (KJV), **see Jesus self declaration in verse 7**
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the **Lord thy God** .
**JESUS is GOD**
The Trinity IS Biblical doctrine
Shared on Facebook pray foR me my Trinitarian friends I sent this to in Syracuse NY thank you for declaring what the word says not your learned or opinion !
Philippians 2:5-11 KJV 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I am familiar with Phil. 2:5-11, v. 6 is not a good translation, see almost any other Trinitarian translation: "did not consider equality with God something to be grasped." So, the verse is saying he did NOT grasp it, not that he DID grasp it. Also, I would love to hear which premise of the video you deny in order to deny the conclusion.
@@biblicalunitarian @biblicalunitarian @biblicalunitarian Jesus is NOT GOD. Though, JESUS was equal with GOD according to the KJV Bible and the Spirit of understanding. To be equal with someone does not mean you are them. He was in his likeness, that is what made him equal to him. God is Spirit and God is Love, The Son is Spirit and Love. The Son bore the image of the Father: Spirit and Love. He also had the same Mind as GOD.
@@biblicalunitarian John 5:18 KJV Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
I totally agree with you. Jesus is a man whom God made Lord and Christ.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
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@@theguyver4934 I disagree with most of what you wrote. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the way, the truth and the life. No one can come to God except by Him. He is the Messiah, the Anointed One. God raised him from the dead and set him at his own right hand. There's plenty more I could say but that's enough for now.
exactly
The bible is very clear. It is not full of confusion.
Some verses says that Jesus is God, let us see:
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
John 1:1, 14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 1:6-8 (KJV)
6 And again, when he (God the Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (God the Son = Jesus).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
so, only these some verses declare that Jesus is God, still many other verses proof it.
Yes! Jesus is God!
@@edensessentialsnaturalwell8564 WHO, then, is GOD the FATHER?
@@edensessentialsnaturalwell8564 Better YET------WHAT is GOD the FATHER?
@@raygsbrelcik5578 I’m thinking you have some comprehension troubles. I’m not going to repeat myself. You are free to believe what you want; no one is telling you what to believe. I’m telling you want scripture teaches.
I suppose it depends on what you mean by the term 'God.' The word has a range of meanings
in the Bible and various ones are called 'God/god' such as Moses; hebrerw Kings; Judges; angels and even the devil. In the Greco-Roman world of the first century, any man who had been rasied from the dead and ascended to heaven would have been viewed as a 'God.' If Moses and Judges were called gods, Jesus himself argued how much more so could the Son of God be termed a God. Howwever, although others are termed God, they are never equated with YHWH who is the ultimate God, the God of gods.
Likewise, we need to be careful when we read the words of some early apologists. Many of these were logos theologians who borrowed platonic language to argue that Jesus was 'God' but not the ultimate God.
This is a great post -- a lot of people don't understand this, and I think it's lead to unnecessary division within the church. Most doctrines, whether Unitarian, Trinitarian, or otherwise, don't capture this idea well at all.
I am from Australia and while I grew up a Roman Catholic, in my late twenties and early thirties I was challenged on my trinitarian beliefs by a work colleague. I was sure I could substantiate my position. But as we spoke and had lunches together, with scripture, we had many an interesting discussion. I tried to keep an open and humble heart and it set me off on a life long search for truth. It was not his "influence" on me either, in case people are wondering, as we parted way after many years and I had not made any decisions. But here, at age 62, and he has passed away, and after extensive searching and fact gathering, looking into interlinear bibles etc, I am of the opnion this doctrine is false. A good example of this interlinear thing is something that was mentioned in this video. In John 1.1 my understanding is that the Greek says "what the word was, God was". Not "the word was God". Who gives people license to do this with God's word? As an analogy, if we replace the word God with Tom and the word "word" with Mary for a minute, it should read "What Tom was, Mary was" (which makes sense as they are both humans and like in nature). If you use the application of "the word was God" format, it would read "the Mary was Tom" huh? Furthermore, where in the book of Acts do the Apostles talk about Jeus having two natures and that they required the early church to understand this. No where. Never mentioned. Wouldn't such a gae changing, never heard of before concept have been discussed with the early church converts? It's just not there. It's a man made flesh grappling with a spiritual concept that Jeus is the full experession of God, manifesting Him, making his essence "be seen", because he was completely obedienct to God, one with Him in purpose. God dwelling in Him, Emmanuel, the full glory of God could be seen like we are called to do in Jeus prayer to the Father in John 17, that we also manifest God in this world. I would like to be be baptised, truly baptised, not that I am "saved" buy it, we are saved by God through Jesus, through faith. All who call on the name of Jesus will be saved. But i would like to be baptised as it appears to be a directive of Jesus to the apostles to "go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptising them...." If there is some way you can suggest of that I could be baptised in Australia through the Biblical Unitarian Church, either online or otherwise, please let me know. Thanks.
Hello Glen, the best way to find out if there are Biblical Unitarians near you in Australia is to check out the "map" feature on this website: www.unitarianchristianalliance.org/
@@biblicalunitarian Thank you.
Why do we take whatever happened in Calcedon as the true understanding of who God and who Jesus is? Very simply, where did Jesus start? How does a human start? We start our existence in the womb of our mothers by the union of a sperm and an egg and so did Jesus, this. Is how he started, not coming from the spirt realm or as God as the Trinity wrongly says. Jesus received a human spirit just like all of us, we become self aware and intelligent by the spirit God provides, which it returns to Him at death. Ecclesiastes 12:7 but we are not the spirit, we are the union of both, so at death we cease to be.
Jesus never said to worship him.
Jesus never said: Don’t worship me
@@edensessentialsnaturalwell8564 Matthew never said "Don't worship me".
@@shanederry2691 who’s Matthew? 😅
@@edensessentialsnaturalwell8564 "Jesus never said, "don't
Worship me?" THAT'S your Theologic Method?
Asking someone a Hypothetical, REVERSE question, is NOT
What a Scholar would call an effective Scriptural approach,
My friend.
For Example-----I could toss the very same dead--end logic at
You. Jesus never said he was......HOLY!!
SO-----Maybe Jesus isn't......Holy!?
@@raygsbrelcik5578 it’s not a theological method. And who was talking to you? I think you need to lay off the weed.
Jesus is the second PERSON in the Godhead. He is fully God. Like it or lump it.
What is the provision that God made to redeem sinners❓
Jesus showed us a little bit more about who he really was. I had missed this for 72 years! Read very carefully, *_John 3.13._* Before he came down from Heaven to become the son of God and Mary, he *_had gone up to Heaven._* In fact, he claims to have been the first to have done so! *_This is glorious news to those who understand it._*
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I agree with the Unitarians about the Trinity, but I do not agree with them that Jesus didn't come down from heaven. They believe his existence started when he was born of Mary, and that God adopted him as a son. In a deeper spiritual sense, they say Jesus was created to save the world of mankind, but I say that the world of mankind was created so he could come down and save them. It was all planned out before it even started. The world was even made through him. Jesus is very much like God in every way, without actually being God, he reflects God onto us in a way that we can comprehend, thus it is written, "He is the image of the invisible God, and the firstborn of all creation."
@@jdwagman Thank you. A most interesting interpretation. Yet, Truth may be different than either of us can currently see. That is why we must not seek to find a static, unchanging "truth," but remain ever humble, letting more and more of Truth come to us as our eyes, ears and minds acclimate to our new understanding. I keep discovering more and more, having to let go of bits of earlier "truth" so that the new may come into my heart.
What if we were all born at the same time -- in Genesis 1.26? What if Genesis 2 and 3 are metaphor for Heaven, before physical reality even existed?
@@RodMartinJr
Good morning Mr. Martin,
Those of us who God has given eyes that see still only see most things in shadowy outlines.
"What if we were all born at the same time -- in Genesis 1.26? What if Genesis 2 and 3 are metaphor for Heaven, before physical reality even existed?"
What if Genesis 1.26 is not metaphors or similes? Other than for Jesus himself, what about if it just hasn't been completely fulfilled yet? What if it has to do with those who will be in the Kingdom and not about all those who just live and die on the earth.
If you believe (as the bible proclaims) that those in Christ will rise up and be with him after he returns, and they will see him just as he is, because they will be made to be just like him; him who is the exact image of God. Then they will be made in the image of God too. What if along with Jesus God subjects to them the earth and all things on the earth to rule over as priest, and kings, and judges in his Kingdom. Then we would see it is a literal prophecy, "Let us make man in our image, and let them have in subjection the earth and everything on it." But for now we only see (the Son of Man) Christ Jesus (being first in all things) who has already fulfilled it. ... but he is still waiting for the subjection part, waiting for those who will be with him to be gathered from mankind.
Such a weak argument
Which premise do you disagree with? Do you believe that God can die, or that Jesus did not die? Because you have to deny one of these premises to deny the conclusion.
@@biblicalunitarianthe part that is week is your definition of death. It is not the erasure of a soul or spirit, it is the separation of soul and spirit from the body. God can absolutely separate his spirit from his body, which would be called death.
@@t0p_phoneix939 It's not death if he can resurrect himself any time he wants to.
Jesus is the son of GOD
Well yeah he is the son.
Who happens to be coequal with the father and holy spirit
@@quesostuff1009 🔴Who did Yahusha declare to be?
And Alahym said unto Al-Mashah, 🔴Ahayah Ashar Ahayah (I AM)🔴: and he said, Thus shall you say unto the children of Yahushar’Al, Ahayah has sent me unto you. SHAMUTH 3:14
Then said the Yahudym unto him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham? Yahusha said unto them, Ahmayn, Ahmayn, I say unto you, 🔴Before Abraham was, I AM (Ahayah). Then took they up stones to cast at him🔴: but Yahusha hid himself, and went out of the Haykal, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. YAHUCHANAN 8:57-59
Yahusha therefore, knowing את all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Yahusha the Netseriy. Yahusha said unto them, I AM (Ahayah) he. And Yahudah also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 🔴As soon then as he had said unto them, I AM (Ahayah) he, they went backward, and fell to the ground🔴. Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Yahusha the Netseriy. Yahusha answered, I have told you that I AM (Ahayah) he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way: That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spoke, Of them which you gave me have I lost none. YAHUCHANAN 18:4-9
🟣What did “Son of Alahym” mean to them at that time? Scripture tells us:
But Yahusha held his shalum. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure you by the living Al, that you 🟣tell us whether you be Ha'mashyakh, the Son of Alahym. Yahusha said unto him, You have said🟣: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of A'dam sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of shamaym. Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He has spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy. MATTITHYAHU 26:63-65
Therefore the Yahudym sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Shabbath, but 🟣said also that Alahym was his Ab, making himself equal with Alahym🟣. YAHUHANAN 5:18
Note: Yahusha broke their added man-made sabbath laws, not Turah of YHUH.
Then came the Yahudym round about him, and said unto him, How long do you make us to doubt? 🟣If you be Ha'Mashyakh), tell us plainly. Yahusha answered them, I told you🟣, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Ab's name, they bear witness of me. YOCHANON 10:24-25
🔴I and my Ab are yachad🔴. Then the Yahudym took up stones again to stone him. Yahusha answered them, Many tub works have I showed you from my Ab; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Yahudiym answered him, saying, 🟣For a tub work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself Alahym🟣. YAHUCHANAN 10:30-33
Philip said unto him, Master, show us the Ab, and it suffices us. Yahusha said unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? 🔴he that has seen me has seen the Ab🔴; and how say you then, show us the Ab? YAHUCHANAN 14:8-9
The other Talmidiym therefore said unto him, We have seen Master. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his Talmidiym were within, and Ta'om with them: then came Yahusha, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Shalum be unto you. Then said he to Ta'om, Reach hither your finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither your hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not beliefless, but believing. And 🔴Ta'om answered and said unto him, My Master and my Alahym. Yahusha said unto him, Ta'om, because you have seen me, you have believed: baruk are they that have not seen, and yet have believed🔴. YAHUCHANAN 20:25-29
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Ruach Ha'Qadash has made you overseers, to feed 🔴the called out assembly of Alahym, which he has purchased with his own blood🔴. Acts / MA'ASIYM 20:28
Hear, O Yahushar'al: Yahuah Alahaynu, Yahuah is one: DABARYM 6:4
Yahusha = YHUH is Yasha (H3467)
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{4:157 And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain}
That Jesus is truly God and truly man is central to our salvation. The early Christians believed this and the early Councils were definitive on this point. May we confess our faith in Christ as St. Thomas did after his sudden realization that it is all true: "Then Jesus said to Thomas: Put in thy finger hither and see my hands. And bring hither the hand and put it into my side. And be not faithless, but believing. Thomas answered and said to him: My Lord and my God." (John 20:27-28)
May God bless you!
Your ‘salvation’ is achieved by healing your sins. Through forgiveness and repentance. But also by accepting the divine love (which nobody has told you about) into your soul. This is the fruit of the Holy Spirit btw.
Read The Padgett Messages by James Padgett. Free pdf online.
Thank me in heaven :)
Agreed, all is powered by grace. I would still like to see a response to the small argument I brought forth.@@winterroadspokenword4681
Well, let John 1:1, the Holy Scripture speak louder then your premise that He, as the Word, was God.
If you fail to believe that He is God, your faith in Jesus Christ is in vain and that you have desecrated the very scriptures you based your faith on amid your false and misleading unitarian premise and theology!
how can god be with himself? 🙂
@@xxxViceroyxxx
Stop being stubborn and believe in the Holy Scriptures, all your man made rhetorical questions will do you no good.
John 1:1 and Philippians 2:6-11 are good start to prove that Jesus is God!
@@eddixxon WRONG WRONG WRONG. You apparently do NOT understand your own doctrine. What is the logos? As a die hard trinitarian you should know it.
John 1:1. Based on knowledge of “logos” or “Word” in English, this translation has been pulled from either the KJV or the NIV and in both of these translations that capitalize “Word” has if it is referring to a proper noun. The “word” is used nearly 300 times in the Greek New Testament and only 7 times did they decide to capitalize it in the KJV and NIV. If you go back and research the logos, it disappears from translations nearly half of the time. To make this absolutely clear, the word “logos” in the Greek has many meanings including account, appearance, book, command, conversation, eloquence, flattery, grievance, heard, instruction, matter, message, ministry, news, proposal, question, reason, reasonable, reply, report, rule, rumor, said, say, saying, sentence, speaker, speaking, speech, stories, story, talk, talking, teaching, testimony, thing, things, this, truths, what, why, word and words. So capitalizing “word” and applying a meaning that is not found anywhere else in scripture is NOT a reasonable argument for the trinity.
Tell me WHERE IN THE SCRIPTURE DOES IT SAY THAT I NEED THE TRINITY FOR SALVATION??
Not an argument. How can God be with himself?
@@eddixxon What beginning did Gods word of promise get fleshed out? The same beginning as the other three gospel writers, which was about the beginning of this new thing, the church.
@ken440 Jesus is God. There is no trinity.
so he prayed to himself pleaded to himself and died even tho God is immortal?! lmao
@@chelseaoguike7570 The term 'Father' in the Greek is also defined as 'Source'. When you understand that, it's easier to understand the relationship between Father and Son. It is not a human relationship. When the 'Source' put Himself into Mary, what was born was the 'Source' in a flesh body.
When you understand that the Father is said to be omnipotent in Jer. 23:24 and the Son also claims to be in John 3:13, it is easier to understand. YES, G-zus prayed to the Source that is eternal and existed at that time outside of time, space and matter. Everything He did in the flesh was as an example to us. He taught us how to pray, how to live and how to be willing to die for Truth.
G-zus had a mortal nature in His flesh. He felt fear, He felt temptation and He cried. But it is undeniable that He was also God Almighty as He declared to be and He did things that no mortal could ever do.
@@chelseaoguike7570 The term 'Father' in the Greek is also defined as 'Source'. When you understand that, it's easier to understand the relationship between Father and Son. It is not a human relationship. When the 'Source' put Himself into Mary, what was born was the 'Source' in a flesh body.
When you understand that the Father is said to be omnipotent in Jer. 23:24 and the Son also claims to be in John 3:13, it is easier to understand. YES, G-zus prayed to the Source that is eternal and existed at that time outside of time, space and matter. Everything He did in the flesh was as an example to us. He taught us how to pray, how to live and how to be willing to die for Truth.
G-zus had a mortal nature in His flesh. He felt fear, He felt temptation and He cried. But it is undeniable that He was also God Almighty as He declared to be and He did things that no mortal could ever do.
@@chelseaoguike7570Jesus NEVER prayed to himself.
Jesus' prayer asking for the possibility of avoiding the crucifixion comes from the passages in the Gospels where he prays in the Garden of Gethsemane. The main references are:
- **Matthew 26:39**: "And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, 'My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.'"
- **Mark 14:36**: "And he said, 'Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.'"
- **Luke 22:42**: "Saying, 'Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.'"
These verses depict Jesus in a moment of human distress, seeking comfort while submitting to God's will.@@edensessentialsnaturalwell8564
0:01 hebrews 1:8 but unto the Son He saith,
“Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom.
God the father recognized Jesus as God
He was the "son of David," too - a human. I had a Catholic friend that didn't even know what his church believed. He believed that Jesus was the son of God.
I believe with all my heart that there are three persons in the Godhead.Holy Trinity is a bible doctrine.This doctrine is embedded deep in the bible,you cannot dig it out without the shovel of the Holy Spirit.
A lot of times I see the word "Godhead" being used to equate to the trinity. I did a word study on it and found that it's just an archaic word that probably means something like "godhood." It isn't used in the modern translations anymore. It can be found 3 times in the King James Version. But if you look up the Greek word where it occurs, you will see it means something like divinity or divine. It's not even the same Greek word used 3 times and it's not a trinity. So, under close scrutiny, I find that the so called "godhead" just kind of evaporates. Of course, God is divine but He is not a "godhead."
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. I TRUELY BELIEVE IN THE HOLY TRINITY OF GOD. AND THERE IS BIBLE BASED SCRIPTURES. TO PROVE THAT . NOW I WILL SAY THAT THE BIBLICAL UNITARIAN WILL PICK OUT CERTAIN VERSES AND TWISTING THEM TO FIT THEIR OWN BELIEVE. MAYBE THEY DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE TRINITY OF GOD IS THE FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. ARE THREE PERSONS IN ONE TRUE GOD. I WILL GIVE YOU SOME BIBLE SCRIPTURES THAT PROVE THIS. FIRST OF ALL LET ME CLARIFY THIS. IN THE TRINITY OF GOD. IS THE FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. FIRST THE FATHER IS RECOGNIZED AS GOD. LOOK AT 1 PETER CHAPTER 1 VERSE 2 . NOW LOOK AT JOHN CHAPTER ONE VERSE 18 . NOW WE HAVE JESUS WHO IS RECOGNIZED AS GOD. LOOK AT HEBREW CHAPTER ONE VERSE 8 . NOW LOOK AT JOHN CHAPTER 1 VERSE 14 . NOW WE HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. RECOGNIZED AS GOD. LOOK AT ACTS CHAPTER 5 VERSES 3 AND 4 . NOW LOOK AT JOHN CHAPTER 16 VERSES 7 THROUGH 11 . NOW LOOK AT JOHN CHAPTER 16 VERSES 12 THROUGH 15 . NOW THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY IS NOT EXPLICIT IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, BUT RATHER IMPLIED. AND GOD SAID LET US MAKE MAN IN ARE IMAGE. AT GENESIS 1 VERSE 26 . THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY IS REVEALED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. MATT CHAPTER 3 VERSES 16 AND VERSE 17 . WE HAVE JESUS CHRIST BEING BAPTIZED IN WATER, THE FATHER SPEAKING FROM HEAVEN, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT DESCENDING AS A DOVE. WE ARE TO BAPTIZE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. LOOK AT 1 THESSALONIANS CHAPTER 5 VERSE 23 . NOW IN THE HOLY TRINITY OF GOD. WE HAVE THE FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. ALL THREE PERSONS. IN ONE TRUE GOD. ARE GODHEAD . ALL THREE PERSONS EQUAL ONLY ONE TRUE GOD. ONE GOD ONLY! ONE GOD. I USE THE KJV VERSION OF THE HOLY BIBLE. AND THE AMPLIFIED BIBLE SCRIPTURES KJV VERSION MOSTLY IS MY MAIN BIBLE SCRIPTURES. YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY BE BLESSED NOW IN JESUS NAME. BE BLESSED NOW. STAY FOCUSED ON JESUS AND HIS FINISHED WORKS ON THE CROSS. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO OUR HEAVENLY FATHER GOD. JESUS IS OUR ONLY TRUE SAVIOR. AND OUR REDEEMER FROM THE GATES OF HELL. AND HE WILL GIVE US THE ABUNDANT LIFE. JESUS CHRIST GAVE US THE VICTORY OVER SATAN. WHEN HE SACRIFICE HIMSELF FOR OUR SINS. AT HIS DEATH BURIAL AND RESURRECTION POWER. HE DEFEATED SATAN. JESUS SHED HIS BLOOD AND BECAME THE SACRIFICE FOR ALL MANKIND SINS.
in the begining God intended his created spiritual sons, the first family, to share the creation with the new human family, all part of His great divine council, in the mountain of God (eden) but one in particular, and other of those angelic beings rebelled, dragged the humans into it.
God promised that as the devil had deceived the woman that a seed of the woman would eventually destroy that rebel. A man.
the bible is the long trail of cat and mouse struggle to achieve that promise, against interference gen6 incursion, corruption of man, flood, more rebellion at babel, a separate nation formed where God focusses on just Abrahams offspring while the other nations are scattered for a time, Moses promises (deut18:18) that one of their own (therefore a jewish man) would be that promised great leader and deliverer. Eventually through much apostasy and rebellion and apathy the "seed war" concludes in Jesus, the promised seed of Eve. The jews are incited by those rebel spirits to kill that Jesus, whereby Gods plan is fulfilled, the blood price paid by the second (this time obedient) Adam, Jesus, who becomes the passover lamb of God. So God saves us by providing the covering blood all who call on the name (authority) are saved to life in the age to come!
That lamb, a man, is raised and given great honour and glory (like joseph had been in egypt, a type) and will be the king of the world to come, messiah as promised to the revived nation of Israel, and world ruler for another 1000yrs until all is completed and God is again Alpha and Omega, as you pointed out !!
Us, the ekklasia, is a period of grace where the nations can come back into the promise (from the babel event... promise to Abraham) and we are "one NEW man, a NEW CREATION and are NEITHER JEW NOR GENTILE and we are to rule with Jesus, the raised and glorified one, over this coming age of this world, glorified as he is now, 1thes4.
At end of the future age Jesus hands the Lordship back to God most high, mission accomplished 1Cor15:28. So that God can again be all in all, rebellion crushed, restoration of Gods original plan, except a slight difference. Due to the rebellion coming from the first family "bene elohim" ( sons of God) we have instead of just being another group of His children, we are raised in His champion, Jesus, "so much HIGHER than angels" (authority talk).
Do you see the whole bible condensed in this? No need for Jesus to be God, he is Gods lamb of passover covering. The power is in the blood. Gods provision. God saves by providing the covering. Jesus saves by being the covering. We save ourselves by responding to that covering, by our free will through believing (faith).
theres the shovel of the spirit!
@@ken440 IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY ONLY WANT TO BELIEVE PART OF THE TRUTH AND LEAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT OUT.OF THE HOLY TRINITY. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T BELIEVE IN THE HOLY TRINITY OF GOD. AND THEY WANT TO TWIST THE SCRIPTURES ACORDING TO WHAT THEY THINK IT MEANS. AND TWISTING SCRIPTURES. IN THE HOLY TRINITY OF GOD. IS THE FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. THREE PERSONS . ALL THREE MAKE UP ONE TRUE GOD. ONE GOD ONLY. YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY BE BLESSED NOW IN JESUS NAME. BE BLESSED NOW.
Read Isaiah God have mercy on u
Whatever is said in Isaiah doesn't get over the argument put forward in this video. You have to solve the problem of why Jesus only half died, and then you can go to Isaiah.
45:7?
lol Jesus prayed to himself and pleaded with himself according to u
ISA.53. The entire Chapter is a Prophecy of the COMING MESSIAH.
The simplicity of the scripture confuses many. Immortality and mortality cannot be shared by the same individual. Jesus, a man like you and me born of a woman as the scriptures attest. God (Almighty) is a title only reserved for one individual and that individual is the Father of Jesus - Simple.
I'm only 1:30 into your video and I've already seen several points I'd like to discuss with you. But, it's 11:44pm here and I need to get to bed. 6:15 a.m. (for work) comes early. I'd like to come back here shortly to speak with you about your beliefs. For now, have you watched the Richie vs. Dr. Dalcour debate? What are your thoughts on Dr. Dalcour's points raised? Can you refute them with evidence?
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Those are Muslim talking points.
The truth is still the truth no matter who tells the the truth. Muslims get some things right, and so do trinitarians and many other denominations. The Devil has to feed the sheep some truth to trick them into swallowing his lies.
Are they wrong though?
Can be explained away.@@jdelorenzod2725
Even more evidence it’s true then :)
Muslims call Trinitarians pagans. For a good reason. They call anyone that who worships people or things that aren’t god.
For there is only one God. Anything else is a distraction.
No, they are monotheist talking points. Jews and monotheists with no religion say the same things.
The logical fallacies used in connection with scripture When taken to their logical conclusion even extend the Godhead to The Apostles ( John 17:20-25) and eventually to all who survive Armageddon with their integrity intact( Revelation 3:21) . Which is to say , this path of reasoning gives to mankind what Satan claimed when testing Eve .” you will be like God ..”
The Infinite God of the Universes does not die. Nor did he incarnate in the middle of nowhere as a Hebrew Carpenter.
it was Elisabeth who first calls Mary the Mother of God first. Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my (Lord) should come to me?
I currently consider myself "agnostic" about Jesus' divinity. It really bothered me that the trinity isnt even a Biblical concept. It was literally made up based on one interpretation of verses that can have multiple meanings. But Im still not sure what to make of Jesus' specialness and thats why i still cant say for sure he's not God. So for now I just categorize Jesus as someone very important. It doesnt really matter if we worship him because I dont think he ever wanted that. The whole thing where you have to "pray the prayer" and "accept Jesus into your heart" to be saved is just too limited and specific anyway. It also ignores everyone throughout history who has no way to know about Jesus. I think God has a different plan that doesnt depend on us doing some emotional ritual.
A couple of things to bring up here, though... While I thoroughly agree with your non-trinitarian stance, I think that it should be considered that Jesus was not the only Jewish man to die on a cross. Another thing is that in the Old Testament, in the instructions at Sinai, especially, human sacrifice is never mentioned as an acceptable atonement for sin. Just saying.
Yes. The only way to heal sin is to forgive and repent and heal the underlying emotional injuries that drive sin as we now call them today.
God can help us through that process by delivering divine love through the holt spirit. If we ask.
Try reading the Padgett messages by James Padgett. Free pdf online.
🎯Thanks for sharing brother.
Trinitarians never answer why there are two distinct spirits of the Father(God) and Christ between Exodus 33:20-23 when Moses asks to see God, and Revelations 1:13-15 when John sees Christ. Moses by mere proximity to God, who is described as pure light, was left glowing, his face shone. But John with Christ? John could actually see Christ's face without dying, where Moses could not do this with God, due to the intensity of God's glory that can kill a human man.
Even if it's 1 God in essence, wouldn't it still be 3 Gods in person?
There's one essence so God is undivided in essence and one God in essence, but in person he's divided, so in person why wouldn't it be 3 Gods?
Basically why doesn't divided personhood split God while divided essence would?
Ask 100 people who believe in the trinity to explain the trinity. You’ll get 450 different answers 😂
One is one. One will never mean 3. God said he is ONE. Clearly he knew people would say he was three and the Bible explicitly states he is ONE
@@SeerSeekingTruth AMEN!!
Christians will argue the three persons do not have three different minds. But then why on earth do they call them persons? What is a personality if it doesn't have an individual mind?
@@plotinus393 "Yet not my will, but your will be done"
The most convincing thing is that Jesus did not fail his mission.
The question was, “can a human being be without sin, with free will?”
Jesus was like Adam, created and with his own free will.
Adam is/was our father in flesh, but Jesus became our father in spirit, now, because he died without sin, for us, with his own free will.
That’s why it makes no sense for God, “to come as a human” into the earth to proof, that he can be without sin.
Proverbs 27:11 Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice,
So that I can make a reply to him who taunts me.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I’m confused, however, as the Scriptures say Jesus is the Word of God made flesh, and the Word was with GOD, and the Word was God. Also, Jesus says “before Abraham was I AM.” He also said that the Father gave Him the right to lay His life down and pick it back up, something no man can do. And finally He asked His disciples who they believed Him to be, to which t they answered that He is the Son of God (also described elsewhere as the ONLY-BEGOTTEN Son of God), and then He confirmed their statement by saying this is something the Father revealed to them.
Not wanting to start an argument, but just to understand your reasoning and how these few Scriptural sayings fit into your current explanation. This is a debate I’ve had internally for years now, trying to make sense of the Trinitarian doctrine, when Jesus would always defer to the Father on all things…
Thank you for your honest questions, and they are genuine questions I wrestled through before becoming a biblical unitarian. I made a video on John 1 if you want to check that out, I think it would be helpful for you.
As far as John 8:58 is concerned, you can read our commentary here which should be helpful - www.revisedenglishversion.com/John/8/58
But when you think about it, to be the Son of God is not to be God. In that very title, it assumes you are someone different from God. Think about if I said, 'I am the son of Bill' that would mean that I am not Bill himself. These are the things I didn't notice as a Trinitarian but are clear as day now.
Lastly, I would say, keep looking into this and don't be afraid to follow the truth wherever it leads. And pay attention to the majority rather than the minority. There are a few verses here and there which seem to maybe be calling Jesus God, yet, there are great explanations for almost all of those verses. But the better thing to focus on is how do the majority of the scriptures see Jesus and God? As two different persons? Yes. 99% of the time God is the Father in the NT and OT, this should be our basis for understanding the verses like John 1:1 and John 8:58, not the other way around. Thanks
@@biblicalunitarian Thank you for your candid response. I will keep looking into it and praying on it, per your advice. My sincere desire is to worship the Lord in Spirit and in Truth, and to hold onto sound doctrine.
Jn8:58 is the verse I held strongest to as a trinitarian for 38 years. Then 6 years ago while researching something else I came across the true meaning of it. "ego eimi" in greek is not capitalized I AM. It is used all over scripture to show inclusion of self in context. In John 8 they are talking about Messiah, the promise which made Abraham glad. The pharisees were trying to trick Jesus and said "oh so you were alive before Abraham!!!" (wink wink). Read Jn8:40 to 45.
It turned me into a unitarian pretty quick, and the more I searched and prayed the more the other favourite trinity proofs fell apart and a fuller picture emerged. Go for it, dont stay in cloudy tradition.
@@unworthyServant08always pray for gods messenger the holy spirt to deliver love and truth.
Don’t pray to the spirit of course. Pray to god. But just recognise that his spirit delivers the soul expansion by delivering love into your soul such that you can see new truth.
Truth is like a Skelton. Love is like the flesh that animates it. So pray for gods love and I promise you’ll go through intense emotional experiences and you’ll see new truth :)
Read The Padgett Messages by James Padgett. Free pdf online.
It is channeled material from AD 1915. You don’t have to believe the messengers. But search the message. You’ll find much truth there my brother and it will help you develop more faith in the Holy Spirit and God’s love.
This is a good argument! But it should be noted that 1 Tim. 6:16 does not say God "is immortal," which would mean that He cannot die. It says God "possesses immortality," meaning that he holds immortality in His hand, thereby implying God is in charge of it, as He is with all things. If we say God cannot die, we're saying that God couldn't die even if He wanted to, which would reduce His power & authority.
This doesn't mean Jesus is God, but we need to be careful about claiming God cannot die, because that's not what the text says.
Thanks for your insightful comment. Although 1 Tim. 1:17 explicitly describes God as "immortal" (ἄφθαρτος). To your second point, biblically, their are some things God can't do (lie, be tempted, etc.), and I don't think these reduce his power, but increase his trustworthiness. I'm okay with a God who can't do evil things (sinful things).
@@biblicalunitarian Thanks for your reply! Your video approaches the subject with such gentleness and reverence, and I'm encouraged by your heart for God's word.
It's true that some translations translate ἄφθαρτος as "immortal" in some circumstances, but we should note that this word means unable to decay, fade, become corrupt, or go bad. Think of a piece of fruit that would never go bad.
This is different from the word that is used in 1 Tim. 6:16 (ἀθανασία) which literally means "immortality," "undying", "everlasting," etc.
You raise some good points about things God can't do that are worth reflecting on -- I know I sure will.
One additional thing to note, I assume you are referring to James 1:13 when we say "God can't be tempted," but we need to make sure we don't leave out the "by evil" part of the verse. This is key because the context of verse 14 says that we humans are tempted by the evil that exists within us, not by an external source. Yet, this is not how Jesus was tempted -- he was tempted by an external source.
Again, that doesn't necessarily make Jesus God, but it's definitely worth keeping in mind.
@@biblicalunitarian
Yep great point.
The great bible old testament is rough as a cob. Everyone is run through by a sword.
By the way
in case you did not know
Jesus was on the earth
and in heaven at the same time.
Search the scriptures!
Yes! Once he became at one with the father he created the kingdom of heaven!
His body was on earth and his soul had raised to the condition of new birth of Christ hood! This is how he could speak with authority on the father :)
Read The Padgett Messages by James Padgett. Free pdf online.
Habakkuk 1:12
Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah?
O my God, my Holy One, you do not die.
Revalation 1:18
and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
God never dies the scriptures are clear he loved us so much that he sent his son to die for us ,for our sins .jesus is the chief agent of our salvation
Acts 5 :31
God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are witnesses of these matters, and so is the holy spirit, which God has given to those obeying him as ruler.”
Hebrews 2:10
For it was fitting that the one for whom and through whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the Chief Agent of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
You are Correct.
I don't think trinitarian theologians understand what is a sacrifice.
Yes------I firmly believe you have an excellent point there!
It's amazing how clear this is, but yet probably greater than 90% of Christians will say that you're not even a Christian if you do not believe in the "deity of Christ".
If you consider yourself to be a follower of Christ and the worshipper of Christ, then yes, you are a Christian.
Because you’re not a Christian if you deny Jesus as God.
If you deny who Christ is, you aren’t his follower or believer. Jesus is God.
@@edensessentialsnaturalwell8564 Nobody's "Denying Christ, " my
Friend! We're simply telling it according to Scripture.
Jesus is NOT GOD! That Office belongs to the FATHER, and the
FATHER Alone.
@@raygsbrelcik5578 sorry, you’re wrong. But you do you.
Another argument idea for a future video (you touched lightly on this) is God's "aseity." I think it is a tremendously clear logical argument that God has aseity, but Jesus does not (he was GIVEN power, authority, words, life, etc. and MADE both Lord and Christ by God), and therefore Jesus is not God.
The fundamentalist/reformed types would find that hard to excuse (formerly Reformed Baptist myself).
Thanks for the clear and helpful video! May the One God bless your work expressing the truth of his Anointed King!
Great idea! I used to be a reformed Baptist myself. What led you to a Unitarian view and when? I would love to hear.
It was a conflation of some things. Right after I got married/seven years ago (sorry, in-laws!) I was listening some early Roman Empire and Church History podcasts and started noticing that customs and ideas I assumed were biblical were appearing "on the scene" as novel or innovations long after the first century. Platonic "we all go to heaven when we die," the material is bad, Tertullian's not-quite-the-trinity, the real absence of believing Jews (Nazarenes) in the church after the Bar-Kochba Revolt (135 AD). In personal study, I began to notice that the Holy Spirit could not be a separate person and wasn't treated as one. (so if not Three-in-one, then what?) I was also getting into keeping the Sabbath on Sunday (after reading some Johnathan Edwards) and my pastor said, trying to discourage me, "If you want to get serious about the Sabbath, it's on Saturday."
Anyway, it just so happened (providence?) that the nearest non-trinitarian church to me was also observant of the Sabbath and the Biblical Feasts (which I highly recommend to anyone who loves the bible- they're all about Jesus!).
@@biblicalunitarian
Wow, cool to hear your story. Yep, many of us start seeing one preconceived notion fall and then another... and it typically starts with asking questions and having an open mind. Thanks for sharing!
"YOUR THRONE IS GOD FOREVER...."
And THAT is what HEB.1:8, is actually Saying, in the GREEK MANUSCRIPTS.
Do you believe, and teach, that Jesus is a mortal man? That's a very important question for you to address if you are claiming that Jesus is not God.
For your information, Jesus was "Born of the virgin Mary. "
He was, "Born of a woman.....Born under the Law..."
The "LAW of his GOD and FATHER. "
@@raygsbrelcik5578 FAIL! No mortal is born of only one human. Get back to work, cooloutAC!!, xterminator6000!!
@@raygsbrelcik5578 One human parent = Not a mortal.
God will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides God?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.
I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.
If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise
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GOD created the Universe and is omnipresent in everything and he is powerless to prevent his inspired scripture from being changed or added to is the real argument.
Welcome home brother❤
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
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What does the trinity have for implication on salvation? I mean the bible let's us know that if we have to stay in the teachings of Christ for salvation - he never taught the trinity - so does the trinity affect ones salvation?
Great question. Personally, I do not think that it affects ones salvation, because many Trinitarians still believe that Jesus is the Christ who lived a perfect life, died a sacrificial death, and was raised from the dead. Yet, as Dale Tuggy put it, it is "bad icing on a cake." So, they still have the cake, the essentials, but they add incorrect theology on top of it. However, it is still a very serious issue. Hope that helps.
@@biblicalunitarian Hello, thank you for your answer. I did some research on my own and what i found is that indeed you have to believe in the true messiah in order to believe in the true gospel. Those two go hand in hand.
John goes as far as to say that someone who denies Jesus came in the flesh (was a human) is an antichrist.
The trinity includes a false god (false concept of God) and also a false messiah.
I am very convinced that no trinitarian will enter eternal life. This is based on scripture.
John 17:3 says:
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
If you do not know the true God and also do not know Jesus, then you do not have eternal life.
God is certainly not playing on this. Only a unitarian who believes the gospel of grace will see eternal life.
God bless
Hi @user-si9bk3xo8z
I'd encourage you to remember that the denial of Jesus' appearance in the flesh doesn't contradict either the Trinitarian nor Unitarian perspective of Jesus. To deny Jesus's coming in the flesh would be to deny His existence altogether, which is what many non-believers do, of course.
The Bible also makes it clear that the judgement for salvation resides with Christ alone. Jesus is clear that those who love Him keeps His commandments. He makes no mention of having perfect doctrine as a qualifier for salvation.
@@Zuungie Since faith is the only requirement for salvation we have to make the conclusion that it has to be "perfect doctrine" ... you can not just believe anything.
John 17:3 is part of the salvation gospel, we have to take Jesus' words serious. He said that the right understanding of his nature and of Gods nature is essential for salvation. You can not ignore his statements.
@user-si9bk3xo8z Hi,
It's true that faith is required for salvation, but we need to examine how the Bible defines faith. Ultimately, Jesus is the one who decides if anyone is saved or not, as we see in Matthew 25: 31-46. So, we need to look at Jesus' measuring stick. Does He give everyone a doctrine quiz? Or does He judge people based on how well they kept His commandments?
When Abraham was credited with righteousness, was it because he conceptually knew everything about God's plan for salvation, or because He obeyed what God asked him to do? (James 2:21)
In our modern / post-modern world, the church often equates faith with wisdom / knowledge. It's brain-based. But the Bible defines faith as being action-based, not knowledge based. It's heart (or literally, kidney)-based.
Don't get me wrong -- God's revelation about Himself through His word is a marvelous thing, and we often take it for granted in the 21st century Western world. But not everyone in history has had the luxury we have to gaze upon God's written Word in the way we do. Yet, everyone can be obedient to God's word without it being told to them by keeping his commandments, which have been evident to all of us from the dawn of creation (Romans 1).
GOD DIES, THEN LIVES
_The _*_LORD lives!_*_ Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be _*_GOD_*_ my Savior! _*_Psalm 18:46_*
_I know that _*_my redeemer lives,_*_ and that in the end he will stand on the earth. _*_Job _**_19:25_*
GOD IS SPIRIT. AND SPIRITS NEVER DIE.
A mortal body is NOT a spirit, and mortal bodies do die.