God's Biblical Kill Count Explained
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- Опубліковано 1 гру 2022
- It’s no secret that the God of the Bible has a dark side. Throughout the Old Testament, God is responsible for a slew of natural disasters: from erasing life on Earth in an apocalyptic to unleashing devastating plagues of biblical proportions. Like it or not, God has a death toll. Has anyone gone through the Bible and counted it?
Combing through the Bible and calculating God’s kill count culminates with a frightening number in the millions. In this video's thumbnail, I am using the figure where the Bible gives precise statistics. The real number, including various estimations, is much higher...
This sometimes violent depiction of God has always fascinated me. It’s so different to the peaceful God of the New Testament. I want to find an explanation for this behaviour - one that’s rooted in the history of this book.
I hope you enjoy this video, I have done my utmost to answer this sensitive question sensitively. Thank you all for 722k subscribers!
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Steve Wells' Biblical Count:
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All The People God Kills In The Bible - Vocativ
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Thinking Through Old Testament Violence
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Timeline for the Flood - Answersingenesis
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World Population Estimates:
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Do you have the kill count sheet to download? It would be amazing, also, thanks for the videos they're always amazing! Still waiting for the UFOs in all religions too lol
technically every is kill by god because make mortal instead imortal
Gotta breaks some eggs to bake and cook
You say satan only has 10 but you're ignoring those he influenced. He's responsible for much more death
Loved the two first episodes. I'm hungry for more.
To be fair to God, after scrolling through Reddit, Twitter and Tiktok, I too would unleash a Biblical Flood.
That's not even counting 4chan
@@mannysikario No, actually, it's pretty comfy and fun there.
@@-PV- ah yes the place with literal racists is cool
@@meidicht6453 To be fair, racists are on every platform on the internet, if you're unfortunate enough to come across them.
@@-PV- looks like we found the false messiah
God's k/d ratio through the years has been insane
Damn, no wonder he's rank 1
He's literally the developer, of course he's a pro player
Hey, have you seen Elvis or Tupac? If you find them, please tell them to do the When We Were Young Festival next year. That'd be lit. Thanks bigfoot. Have a good day :)
very impressive although i suspect he is using wallhacks and aimbot
@@gregoryberrycone it's fine because he's the developer
As a Christian it must be noted that in Christian theology, Satan doesn’t really want to kill people, he wants to lure them into sin, which kills the soul.
He simple let's people fall on them selves
@@hackman669 By fulfillings people's temporary needs for short times.
"Satan" is just a placeholder for God's shortcomings to humans. God is supposedly omniscent all knowing all powerful, all loving and protects you but when you are on the wrong path "God" washes his hands of accountability - its accounted to Satan lol.
@@ianvlnva not true at all but ok
@@sillybilly1337
Referring to the Biblical God and narrative:
Idea 1) God is all good, God created all things, like the nature of God all things he created are good.
Idea 2) God created all things, that includes Satan. Satan along with other angels were initially good but then rebelled against God and turned to wickedness. Satan is not all good
Based off of 1 & 2, I can then assume: Since God created Satan, God's creations are faulty and imperfect, and are not all good. Therefore God is also faulty and imperfect.
I like how neutral this guy is
Who are you talking about
@@Monitor_Head definitely not talking about God
Unbiased 😊😊
In their vain philosophy and in their neutrality they have trodden about the living God.
@@RighteousAreMany fr tho
"Don't tease bald people?"
After reading One punch man i can attest to this statement
Nice reference
Or Mike Tyson
I feel like some butthurt monk made sure that story made it into the Bible 😂
northernlion
@@o_o8203 fax, spite is the greatest motivator
Something else to consider is, how big is "the world" the writers describe? Remembering that a map of the entire globe was not available at the time, their view of their "world" would be rather small. Thinking about Watership Down when the rabbits get to the down for the first time, they say they can see "the whole world" when certainly it's a relatively small part of England.
Middle East, Saudi Arabia, Northen Africa and Southern Europe (maybe some Central Asia and Central Europe too)
Likely It was "Just" Mesopotamia, i saw a pretty good theory once that connected the great flood to a real Life flooding of the city of Babylon and its surroundings, tho unfortunately i doubt i could find that theory rn so this Is purely anecdotal
Well things like the "global flood" were (if true) actually global, not just the world the writers knew. The facts of the Bible apply even if the writers didn't understand the full extent of them
"Global" at the time, meant the middle east and north africa, not southern europe, central asia or central europe, seriously even saying that is ridiculous. The people at the time did not even have accurate maps and directions to neighboring cities came from word of mouth. Noah's flood which was mentioned in the bible was taken from Mesopotamian folklore, you can see this in the epic of gilgamesh which consists of sumerian tales and legends. The biblical flood was likely real and modern historians suggest it could be linked to a flood around Mesopotamia at around 5,000 bc.
They should make a Disney adaptation of Watership Down
Great video! 👍 It is a heavy topic, but you handled it well, explained the information clearly, and looked at the accounts within their historical context. Empathy for the hard circumstances of humanity's ancestors is a rare virtue. Wishing you the best!
Can u provide spreadsheet link?
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His KTD is quite literally Godlike
Lol
@@thecommunistloli1042 your username lmao
I would booed on this joke, but it's funny and accurate lol
hitman God
Mao Zedong : hold my crop
You, Wendigoon, and Genetically Modified Skeptic are my favorite sources for biblical content. I'm not religious myself, but I find religion so fascinating. Thank you for your thorough and amazingly presented work!
My favourite is hochelaga
Idk if youre an ex-Christian or just looking at cool biblical content, but Belief It Or Not is also a really cool channel if you've denounced! I loved his episodes on The Rapture and The Christian Persecution Complex :)
Same here
I'm on the same boat as you. Renegade Cut has some excellent videos too. I absolutely recommend his video "Left Behind and the Translation of God".
I have hella recommendations for you bro,
-A bible darkly
-Religiolog
-XKV8R Robert R. Cargill phD
-Centre Place (lectures)
-Esoterica
-Crecganford
-Lets talk religion
-Urbs and Polis
-The bible in the light of the ancient near east (trust me it's a channel)
-Dan Mcclellan
-Religiousity plus
-Study of antiquity and the middle ages
-The bible for normal people
-Kipp Davis
-Ben s
-Dr Michael Heiser
-Bibpe unboxed
-Religion for breakfast
-Yales lectures
From King to Father… very succinct and interesting explanation. Love the channel!
3:23
About the boys making fun of Elisha, there’s something important to take into account. Actually a couple of them.
1. Elisha wasn’t being mocked by little children, but by young men of unknown age. Even if we don’t know how old they were, they weren’t kids but young men.
2. The number of these young men is quite important. The number that were mauled by the bears was 42. Not 2 or 3 but 42. The verses also imply that the rest of the young men ran away.
3. The young men were threatening Elisha and telling him to ascend to his master Elijah. Basically, they were mocking him and telling him “hey bald guy, we’re gonna kill you and you’ll see your master!”
They never said they were gonna kill him and neither threatened him, that's an extremely forced interpretation to pretend like god is moral in today's concept of morality.
Second, unknown age young man still might means they might be kids in today's conception of what is a kid (Mary for example was very likely a 14yo when she married Joseph and got magically pregnant, not a kid by the time, definitely a kid that's not supposed to be pregnant in today's measurement of age)
@@luismorel604 what do you mean by today’s concept of morality? Where do we get morality?
God is more moral than any human could ever dream to be. He is just, He is merciful, He is love. He gave us free will because He loves us, but He can’t ignore our evil actions. In Romans it says that the wages of sin is death. Death is the price for our sins. The good thing is that God doesn’t want us to die because of our sins but instead wants us to live. That’s why He made a covenant with the Israelites and later on sent His son Jesus Christ as the perfect sacrifice for our sins.
However, He won’t force anyone to believe in Him. It comes back to the freedom of choice I mentioned He made us with. We can choose to rebel, to look for explanations to moral, physical, and social issues elsewhere or we can seek Him.
Regardless of how far you get into this comment that I’ve made in response to your comment, I hope you have a blessed day and that you are safe and sound wherever you may be. Remember that Jesus loves you (yeah it probably sounds corny but it’s the truth) and that He wants what’s best for you.
@@luismorel604 I did some research and it states that the young men may have been mocking Elisha due to being a prophet of the Lord. That’s why they told him to go up, they were mocking him and telling him to ascend to heaven like his master Elijah did. Just a little more info I found that was relevant to the discussion at hand. I apologize that I didn’t include it with the previous comment. God bless you.
@@abiezerEscude There is no evidence of your god's existence and virtually zero evidence that Jesus ever existed. You literally believe in fairy tales. You might as well still believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny.
but did the people k*_ll the holy man? they did not. by our law it is a fine/ community service... God k*_lled them by thought control.
How many times has Bible God punished a man for infidelity? How many times has God punished someone for anything else???
I guess God doesnt follow modern day christianity laws/ rules. Christians are adding to the Bible.
when someone states the Bible says this that- The Bible actually doesnt say anything. Its texts...
In Old Testament God is also called by the name Sabaoth, that means "Lord of Armies"
Tzavaot*
Damn, God was not fucking around back then
It means lots of hosts
@@jorgenitales5882 stop man don’t cuss
Jalbadaoth?
“How many people felt the wrath of God in this holy horror fest? Let’s find out and get to the numbers!”- James A Janisse
Who gets the Golden Chainsaw and who gets the Dull Machete? 🤔
@@mikejohn29mj I mean Jesus had a pretty cool kill, I think he gets it just for being the most memorable.
@@alon9328 And the Dull Machete goes to?
@@mikejohn29mj Dull Machete for lamest kill can go to Moses for dying of old age so close to the promised land. Really god? Old age is the coolest you can give to the guy who led the exodus?
@@mikejohn29mj Golden chainsaw goes to John the Baptist with that insane decapitation out of no where
Biblically Accurate Angel❌
Biblically Accurate God✅
Example of chaotic evil
thank you so much for explaining context, showing your verses, and just being overall respectful. your videos about religion never offend me as a religious person, and that’s why you’re one of my favorite youtubers. thank you hochelaga
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*-Being religious in 2022-* 🦧 (sorry!)
@@chucklebutt4470 I’m not religious in the traditional sense but it is possible to be religious and have perfectly rational reasons to be so. Science and religion don’t have to compete, there was a time when the two went hand in hand. The Big Bang theory was literally theorized by a catholic priest. That’s not to say all religious people are rational, I’m just saying it’s possible to be so.
@Jojostie Nah, it's your life. This story really sums up my thoughts about religion and how it can cause harm to some people...
"So there's a woman who loves purple. Like, fucking loves it.
Purple doors. Purple curtains. Purple panties. Purple soaps. Purple everything.
She drives a purple car and even asked her boss permission to paint her office purple.
Her least favorite movie is The Purple People Eater, because it gives the color a bad name.
One day a guy stops by her large purple house (it's hard to miss) and knocks on the purple door.
"Hi, do you have a spare room?"
"As a matter of fact I do," says the woman in a purple dress. She leads him through the purple door, into the purple hallway, and past another purple door. And another purple door. She finally stops by the purple door at the end of the purple hallway.
"Here you are."
The guy goes through the purple door, into the purple room, and unpacks his suitcase into a purple dresser. At the end of the night, he lays down in the purple bed and rests his head on the purple pillow.
The next day, he hears the woman screaming.
"Breakfast!"
He gets out of the purple bed, gets his clothes from the purple dresser, and goes out the purple door into the purple hallway. He finds his way to the kitchen and sits down at the purple table.
The woman opens the purple cupboard and pulls out two boxes of cereal: Wheaties and Cheerios. She sets them on the purple table.
"What would you like?"
The man considers for a moment before finally responding: "Cheerios."
The woman smiles.
"So it's true: 2 out of 3 do prefer Cheerios over Wheaties."
@@chucklebutt4470 20 bucks say youre depressed and have 0 maids
@@k1ng.k0ng9 Why would I need a maid? I'm a grown man I can clean up after myself.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
SWORDS FOR THE IRON THRONE
RUM HAM FOR DEVITO'S THRONE
MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES
FIREWOOD FOR HELLFIRE
You inspire me to want to make well informed and quality content, love ya hoch
3:15 💀💀💀 bro really called God on them
This is a hard subject for a lot of people to grapple with, esp ones currently going through faith questioning and even deconstruction..thank you so much for this video. You've really helped me see my childhood faith in a completely new light.
Im not religious but I get it. Where I dont agree with most religion is it teaches to see everything in divinity instead of divinity in everything. So that when we see evidence of the nature of god in our surroundings, if it doesnt quite line up with what ones religion dictates as true, one can tend to have an existential crisis. I say if it helps you be a good person and helps bring a sense of order and security in a chaotic world, believe what you want as long as its not predatory.
It’s not hard. He wanted the 12 tribes to wipe the evil Canaanites from the map. Judah and Dan got tired and let the last village live. The Canaanites seed is now alone and ruling the world
People like to forget the 'harsh' things Jesus said in the NT and also the book of Revelations... very obvious it's the same God to me
Honestly what really helped me think more about my faith was the channel Belief it Or Not. If you go through their most popular videos playlist starting with Why are So Many People Leaving the Church, you may also go through the same revelation I did (his channel is pretty funny while also being very eye-opening)
@@jenkinsjrjenkins are you a believer currently?
Could you maybe do a video about which people Satan killed in the bible? Could be a pretty interesting video regarding to how and why Satan decided to kill and which he did on his own intuition and which was on gods behalf.
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would love that video.
his crimes against humanity are innumerable
He only killed about 10 people and remember God gave satan hell, the place people are tortured so you could still credit those punished to God
Who does Satan murder? I think Chronicles/Kings and Job shows us that any deaths Satan may cause are indirectly cosigned by God
Pretty much all of his kills are indirect, decieving a weak-minded human into committing murder. If you count that, it goes into the billions and counting.
Your channel is truly a treasure
Kids: "go away bald head!"
Elisha: "WTF DID YOU JUST SAY? GOD! GOD! THESE KIDS ARE BULLYING ME BOO HOO..."
9:58 I mean, if you've lived through having loudly partying neighbors next door, room, or floor, that sounds perfectly reasonable.
Hm.
Hochelaga drops videos at the most perfect time. It's like a bed time story. (It's night where I'm from)
here too!
2 minutes ago it was 16:20 aka 4:20 pm
sam
Where are you?
@@MargaritaMagdalena I'm assuming in southeast asia, east asia, or australia and new zealand
@@ab3ki84hayateyeah it was 2:00 in the morning 7 hours ago
Second video recommended to me and it was interesting, subbed ! First vid was the Freemason one
This is your first video I watch and I really like it, even tho I do look at the subject in question from a more religious point of view, being Christian myself, I do think that the historical context helps understand some parts of the bible, and at the end of the day, I’d much rather have one god with a giant death count, than 10+ that have that + other really bad things
God kept pressing the “reset” button after a minor inconvenience.
Brother minor inconvenience???
Thats what im saying @@isukatgemz2166
not minor lol
He's me trying to be stealthy in any game with stealth ever 😅
in comparison to the way the world is now, with a population well over 300x times larger then the time of the flood, its save to say it was "minor" by a certain standard.@@isukatgemz2166
I'm loving your videos so much!! As an atheist person who grew up in a very religious Jewish household it's so fun watching your content from an historical point of view and not religious. Most of the stories you mention I've learnt in my childhood so it's entertaining hearing your way of telling them. Plus, I genuinely enjoy hearing you speak Hebrew here and there and the way you pronounce the words (I'm fluent in hebrew) and your voice is one of the most soothing voices I've heard in my life.
Your life sounds strangely similar to me, I never was able to learn Hebrew but and I was atheist up until a couple months ago, I’m 100% God is real in some form, we are connected to Jesus Christ. And divine timing is so so so real.
@@dommdumm3738 what are you then?
@@dommdumm3738 Im going to be atheist probably for the rest of my life Lol
@@DigginThrough.MyOldMuscles. You really think this massive complex universe was just a big unexplainable coincidence and not something/someone above us? Just asking
@@thecapitalg Do you know how many years passed since the ""beginning" of the universe? And its not 2000 years as you probably think LMAOO
There's a reason that the worst fear is considered the fear of God.
God wants us to fear Him because that's His love manifest to us, He is trying to help us on the right path. The reason all of man's hearts and minds were only evil continually before the flood is because they did not have the fear of God in them, which led them to destruction. "Hey, little Timmy, don't play on the highway or you might get hit by a semi-truck". Of course, Timmy could still play on the highway if he wanted to, but he would still have to reap the consequences of doing so. God is severe, and only a severe parent is a good one.
@@Sevenp3 fear leads to hatred. It never leads to love.
@@abloogywoogywoo So when your parents tell you not to play on the highway because you could get hit by a semi-truck leads to hatred? That’s kind of true because whenever humanity is told not to do something, we are naturally rebellious, so there is hatred of God, higher authority.
There are two types of fear, fear from love, and fear from hatred. Two different things that attribute the God of the Bible, the whole time He’s warning humanity, being patient, and telling us the consequences of our own actions, like a parent would, and continually pulls the Jews away from other cultures that were practicing immoral things. It’s a realistic relationship between a loving parent, and a rebellious child that wants to do whatever it wants while being influence by other kids around them. If you believe fear isn’t natural and healthy for our survival, that’s a pretty scary worldview you’re on.
@@Sevenp3 my parents never tried to murder me for breaking any rules or not being able to follow the rules.
@@Sevenp3 your highway analogy sucks, try again.
This is an amazing analysis because it's not bias. Not an aethiest view or religious one, simply just an analysis.
Seeing as you are not a religious person I greatly admire your respect and restraint at passing judgement on the Christian world view, it would be easy to do so hearing statistics like these. As a protestant and a Christian that views aspects of the bible more metaphorically than literally, I have my own views on this Theological 'issue' if anyone outside of the faith is interested. In regards to the example you gave of the bears, I would personally (though I know others perhaps wouldn't) attribute that to a bear attack that has been interpreted as divine intervention. I think that's fair to say but I know some more orthodox people might take issue with this as it shows the bible has some inaccuracies that can be accredited to humans. But let's get to the meat of the matter! Why is there such a difference between the new testament god and the old testament god? You touched on this point slightly but I thought I'd throw a key Theological point in the ring. The new testament is about the new covenant between man and god, e.g. the new relationship that was created. Jesus's purpose (in the eyes of Christians) was to reconcile the relationship between God and man, which had been destroyed after the original sin (Adam and eve). In the old testament the many rules that exist and strictly adhered to were meant to be the Jews way of apologising to God for their inherent sinfulness (simplified). The new covenant (created by Jesus's life, death and resurrection) is meant to repair this damaged relationship so that we mere mortals can ask for God's forgiveness and recieve it as long as we believe in him and the trinity. That's why God no longer needs to punish or judge anyone until the 2nd coming, because the new covenant exists and mans 'debt' so to speak is paid. I hope this makes sense to people and demonstrates the nuance of the Christian faith moving from the old testament to the new. Whether you disagree or not I write this comment to inform, not to convert, not to judge, and certainly not to recieve hate. You and I are all entitled to our beliefs. Peace and love. Hope this was interesting to all.
certainly. it was very interesting.
I agree whole heartedly
Well written! I'm not strictly religious myself, but I was raised strictly religious and feel like you hit a point that I feel was stressed on me very much in school and church as a kid. I also appreciate the total lack of actual preachiness in your comment, as I have had continuous bad experiences of that sort my whole life lol
@@dork_mork6953 he's one of the good ones
Good explanation. More people should see this because people judge Christianity on the basis that God is a ruthless killer when it’s more deep than that really.
To be fair, in Elijah's story, they never said they were young boys. Not to mention, there were 42 of them apparently.
It's theorized they were planning more than just jeering.
And the reason why they kept calling him bald head wasn’t to be rude over his lack of hair rather it was an insult on his monk like hair.
So they deserve to die because they were assholes??
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Like I said, they may have been planning something worse if they were a mob of 42+ men.
What is the basis of that theory? The idea God wouldn't commit mass murder for something as trivial as teasing a bald man?
Lol
Make this a series pleeeease!
Can you please make one of those “If god was charged for his crimes” type of videos? Please please please!!!
Your sense of humor is godly
Even spooky.
Love this. Love your content. Also love your podcast! Very happy UA-cam showed me you. :)
Bro got biggest biblical victory royale 💀
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Thank u so much 4 all this hard work.
One explanation I really like for the change in behavior is the ego death theory.
What's that?
@@szilveszterforgo8776 they all started taking shrooms
@@szilveszterforgo8776 god sending his son to die killed God's ability to be prideful, causing him to become a peaceful observer who will only truly judge post mortem.
@@bl1tz533 Wow that's so interesting, I haven't heard about that theory
@@bl1tz533 that's a convenient explanation for why people don't drop dead anymore left and right like they were doing in the Torah
As Thanos said "A small price to pay for salvation."
Mao Zedong: You got to bump those number up. Those are rookie numbers.
Moa makes Vladimare look like a pushy cat 🐈😻
What a great idea for a video! This is why you're one of my favourite channels on UA-cam
K/D of 24.681.116/1 and that one death is only when he let his kid play for 33 years. He was ok with it, it is not a big deal, he can reset the score boards any time he likes :)
Does God use slide canceling when he plays?
@@flextape467 Who do you think invented it? He also uses all the racial slurs, mostly at once. Also, if he tells you he will fuck your mom, he will actually do it and do it remotely just to make things worst! XD
@@i_hate_handles777 I'd say it's more likely 0/0, since the Bible would have to be completely wrong for yours to work, which would also remove the jebus resurrection part. Basically meaning he never played at all lol
@@billionsmustachievetheosiswell no God does kill but he was never happy while doing it.
That was really impressive! I mean, you made this and said you are not religious, and that’s super cool! Amazing work!
I also heard somewhere that God was king of Israel, but the israelites wanted a physical king, something that God did not want to, but granted them. And it also makes sense to why the old testament is so brutal!
The 2nd book of kings is just crazy! So much death in that book, almost can’t believe it’s in the bible!
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." *Voltaire*
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Nah, I personally think it was when a tribal elder didn't know how to answer a question but still wanted to appear "wise", so he just bullshitted something. Frankly, that type of non-malicious lie is worse than what you described, given that people would just swallow it up out of "respect".
@@DarkAdonisVyers tf?
@@lukemiller7024 Do my big words scare you?
@@DarkAdonisVyers you didn't make any sense. We weren't talking about where it came from. Im not in the mood to fight with strangers on the internet right now. Get a life
Damnit, always get a Hochelaga post when I’m at work. Atleast I have something to look forward to watching at lunch. Thx for the upload king
Over the last year, your uploads per measurement of time has exploded. I remember when we would get a video every few months, now we are getting them multiple per month. I love the content, and you are doing an amazing job putting effort into something you enjoy. I hope this comment finds you happy!!
God is still called Judge in the new testament, and executor. He killed Herod and Ananias and Sapphira in Acts in the new testament. God is unchanging, all-knowing. There's no learning for him since he knows the end from the beginning. That means whatever he is, he's always been. And whatever he was, he still is.
God in the Old testament is still revealed as love who never takes pleasure in the death of the wicked (his own words) yet strong and power enough to execute swift judgement. He spared Nineveh and turned from the evil he planned to do to them when they repented. He was grieved at his heart before the flood because of mankind. And throughout the old testament he works toward setting up the cross where he himself would be crucified in the Son.
He doesn't usually offer an explanation for the deaths in the bible and he doesn't have to. Life is his, we were given it from God. Death is God taking back what it is his.
@@CallMePseudonymous Well who are you to define what is good or evil? Are you high enough in authority to determine that? Is anyone on earth? God simply is high enough and unchanging to define what is good and what is evil. Him being all powerful, from everlasting to everlasting, omniscient, omnipresent, who can argue against him? We don't get to determine what's right and wrong. When we try, we get more corruption and evil and wars.
@@CallMePseudonymous Well look out it's working out so far for us when we determine what's right and wrong. People Don't even know what gender they are anymore. You get constructs like Nazism and communism too.
Life is God's to take and to give. It's not ours. We aren't allowed to kill, but he is. Him being the creator he can do what he wants to the creature.
@@CallMePseudonymous I suppose any thing in authority uses an element of fear to bring obedience. In government we usually fear prosecution if we break the law. Children usually would fear punishment from their parents if they disobey. One would fear being fire by his boss if he was a slacker and broke company policy.
Consequences of choice are in every element of authority. If fear is the only thing keeping you in line though, that is abuse of power. I don't find the God of the bible that way. Many people in the world continue on seemingly without consequences of their choices. I would say God is very patient and restraint when it comes to anger and power. God didn't even kill the first murderer Cain, but warned him before sinned to turn back. God didn't kill anyone till the flood, and used Noah to preach 120 years to the people while the ark was preparing until the flood came.
The Canaanites were exterminated, but the exception Rahab a harlot who decided to put her trust in God and help Israel. You can view the severity of God's wrath which is more terrifying than man's wrath, but you can also view the intensity of his compassion and mercy and love, in both old and new testaments.
If he knows everything then he knows what he’s doing is evil. He is pure evil.
@@abloogywoogywoo What is he doing that you say is evil? Just for context.
Wow very informative brother. My support.
Permission to have a reaction video on this?
Not religious, but my favorite interpretation of why old testament god was a monster in comparison to the new testament is because he, as a divine being, could not fathom what it meant - what it felt - to exist as human.
So incarnating into Jesus on earth, he learned that his own rules were unfair and he set humanity up to fail.
Jesus's sacrifice in allowing sin to be forgiven was God's apology; making amends for the past.
That's a great explanation, god was dropping the hammer on mfs huh
Aha ok that would kinda makes sense
This is a very really insightful interpretation. God bless
But God is perfect, so yeah.
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Thou shalt not kill.
God: did I said such a thing?
Rules for thee and not for me.
Its Thou shalt not MURDER not kill
Murder is unlawful killing of an innocent
@@genghiskhan5701 ah yes, sth those kids who made fun a bold person definitely aren't
@@genghiskhan5701 also do you THINK you can afford to be preaching christianity and ethics with that name?
@@boris2656 Who said he's preaching, he's clearly disappointed there wasn't even more killing as the Khan himself
"How ba-a-a-ad can i be? Im just building the economy."
- God
well done ,thank you
Nice! A new video! Thanks Hochelaga! This heavily reminds me of "Hot Shots! Part Deux" from 1993. Specifically, Lt. Sean Topper Harley (Charlie Sheen) body count scene. LOL 🤣
This has quickly become my favorite channel!
“But he loves you”
lol George Carlin reference.
Really enjoying your podcast, by the way.
Love your videos Alex, so glad I've found more of your content 😁
Dear Hochelaga, thank you for always making interesting videos. I am a christian and I find them very interesting because they give me a new perspective on my faith.
I was curious where you find the art that you use in your videos?
"an eye for an eye will only leave the world blind"
9:12 And God said "My creatures are drowning and you are singing??"
ive been watching your whole series and didnt know you werent religious. i am (lost my faith and am coming back to God with a different perspective) but i also dont think God and religion are the same yet they are both inseparable, the same way that both are inseparable from their historical contexts. thank you for educating without bias and logically approaching the seemingly strange, esoteric, and forgotten aspects of christian and abrahamic religions. it’s important to understand eachother and you always cover these topics with genuine curiosity and enthusiasm for humanity and it shows. regardless of belief we can all be entertained and educated by your content. bravo!
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I questioned my friends on why murder was alright depending on the perpetrator. I’m especially annoyed by the death of the first born Egyptian sons which wouldn’t have been necessary at all if God didn’t purposely harden the Pharaoh’s heart.
I like to preface this question by asking if they thought king Herod was indeed evil. They always reply yes, because he killed innocent people. Then I hit them with the God question and suddenly it’s not the same. It makes me wonder about people’s morals. Are they only concerned about the death of innocent people because it was carried out by someone they aren’t supposed to like? Why is it okay for God to gamble with the devil over Job’s devotion? Are we simply trivial playthings to this God for exalting himself? And I never really get answers to these questions. Not from Christians at least.
That is because God is the giver of all life, so he can take away anybody's life at anytime and he is still righteous. He does not allow others to take away other's lives because their lives do not belong to them, they belong to God. and in the old testament, alot of pagan nations including the Egyptians were nephilim blood, so God had wanted to eradicate them from surfacing on land as a population, this is why he arranged Exodus (kill the Egyptian armies in the red sea, because nephilims only die by drowning/decapitation of head), then he arranged killing the giant nephilims in Canaan when the Israelites took over the land, Pharaoh was allowed to be raised as ruler and have his heart hardened because he was a dishonorable vessel(doomed to perish from birth), the rest are all significance of salvation of the gospel, such that wrath fell upon those that do not have the lamb's blood aka the Egyptian, the hebrews believe in God so they put the lamb's blood on their door, if they didn't they too would have their first born killed. it simply means all are sinners without the blood of Jesus aka deserving of wrath. Also the amount of years of slavery in Egyptian and the sins of Canaanites are calculated and accumulated to bring about that level of wrath on them, that's around 400 years, it is a long time before they are destroyed. it is always about eradicating the nephilims and human permitting deaths through bad decision making and sins. Sin always leads to death, once disorder is created on the land, it has to be paid with wrath or a sacrifice, so the old testament times were actually showing how sin is evil and its appropriate punishment. Now after Jesus is resurrected, the physical death penalties are no longer needed because Jesus has fulfilled the law(he never sinned), so in essence people do not have to be killed physically for sin now, for it is about spiritual death now, thus the change in a wrathful image of God to a merciful one, but it is because Jesus face the wrath in person already, so he can give himself to people legally in mercy as he is the perfect sacrifice
Because Christians don't like being confronted by how evil their God actually is. Cognitive dissonance is powerful.
The Bible never put us on equal footing with God. We're told to fear and love God, precisely because of his power over life and death. You're implying that a person, full of sin, biases and blemishes, can be judged to the same extent as the creator of all things. You're also applying your conception of death to God, when someone dies, to us, it's a heartbreaking thing because to us, their existence just ended. To God, killing someone is basically just moving him from one plane of existence to another, which he has full control over, why should he feel guilty or uncertain?
@@ne0nmancer 1. Fear and love are mutually exclusive.
2. We can absolutely hold God to the same standards as mortals. In fact, we should hold God to a higher standard.
3. God knows that killing people brings pain and sadness to the family and friends of the person he killed. Therefore he knows that he is causing suffering to fulfill his will. Which means he's evil.
@@dolebiscuit 1. They are mutually exclusive in the same context, not towards the same person. You can fear your father when he's mad at you because you did something bad, doesn't mean you don't love him or that he doesn't love you in the normal context of your relationship.
2. Why? Mortals have ever shifting moral standards (even those who claim to follow God's Word), we tend to ignore our sins while admonishing the same sins on others, Jesus warns us of this many times in the NT, many did, do and will continue to preach scripture while not really understanding the point, or really making an honest effort to follow it, we can't hold someone accountable to standards we don't follow.
3. Death, pain and sadness of course are bad, but Paradise isn't on Earth anymore, we brought sin onto ourselves because we chose to, wanted to know good and evil, like God, but we don't have his foresight, we can never really trust our judgment of those things, we are flawed and we will keep missing the mark and suffer for it, God is as responsible for this as is a parent that tells their child that their hand will burn when they touch a hot stove, but they do it anyway.
This madman decides to calculate the Christian God's k/d ratio.
I did not know you have such dedication.
That guy would be a literal God in a first person shooter
LOL. Nice one.
Wow I'm early. Love the quality of your videos. You are super underrated.
The passage about Elisha is misunderstood tho, to begin with Elisha was not old he was still young and able to defend himself and "boys" here is a mistranslation, the original hebrew in this occurrance should translate as young men, lads, on top of that the palestinian bear is quite small and the passage doesn't really tell us that the bears killed the lads, we just assume it cause we usually think of the large european and american bear, but it's more plausible that the bears in this case being small and having to do with 42 opponents only harassed them and scared them away, it's probably supposed to be somewhat comical in tone showing the enemies of a prophet threatening him with violence but ending up being scared away by the power of god.
The king James translation needs to stop being used
I see
That, makes a lot more sense😂
Ah that explains why Elisha didn't get the Moses treatment after he summoned water without the big guy's permission
why god allow king James translation to be wrong though? Especially this one story, where it seems that the god allowed those kids to be killed for no equivalent reason...
whoa, I just remembered... He also allows this version of the bible to be the most popular one.
Imagine the old testament version of god being put on trial for the 24 million plus people he has killed.
Would that be bad?
As Job said, "God gave. God taken". God created man to serve Him, (by serving others) but people become corrupted to their core, so God destroy his creation.
As Paul said " Satan is the God of the world" and as Jesus said in John 5:37 nobody has heard my fathers voice or seen his shape. Also in james 1 :13 Jesus says the devil has never tempted the father that sent him and he has never tempted man . NOT the God that sent Jesus. Period!
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I was taught that in the time of Bible baldness was considered a disease so the moral of the story is "don't laugh at people because of a medical condition or disease"
Michael Heiser explains that when the young boys say "go up baldie, go up' they are referring to Elisha's mentor, Elijah, who was taken up to Heaven in a whirlwind. They are basically threatening to kill him, to send him where Elijah went
@@DANtheMANofSIPA that incident happened in the wilderness with elisha as the only witness. Try again
@@canesugar911 Do you think Elisha didn't tell anyone? Lol. Then how did it get written in Kings? Elisha didn't write Kings. Obviously Elisha went around telling everyone what happened to Elijah and I'm sure a very very (in)famous prophet being sucked into Heaven made for quite the gossip
@@DANtheMANofSIPA do you think that those people were stupid enough to mess with someone with such godlike power? If God himself took Elijah away, what makes you think that they thought that they could do the same. Mind you this was a time when the God was highly revered.
@@canesugar911 Why would anyone mess with Elijah at all after God burned hundreds of the prophets of Baal to death? Or after Elijah rose a young girl from death through the power of God? It's because they view their gods as more powerful than YHWH, thus have nothing to fear from Him. Either that, or they don't know YHWH
When analysing text it helps to know as much as you can about the context. Who is/are the author/s? What was their purpose in writing it down? What information did they have access to? What genre/style is it? What do we know about the culture/s they came from? How did they change over time? What differing views did people hold about the subject? Has it been censored/edited? What is lost in translation? What cultural biases are colouring our own interpretation of the text?
To me, asking these questions of the Hebrew bible results in more engaging, enlightening, and fascinating answers than any face value reading of the text.
Was the flood ever meant to be taken literally?
I really think that most of the stories in the bible are just meant to be symbolic and weren't really meant to be taken literally. But people took it too seriously and now you have Christians that refuse to believe in dinosaurs or evolution, even though these are well documented phenomenon that can be backed up by empirical evidence. Science is not a conspiracy theory, it's just a way of documenting reality as objectively as we humanely can.
Here's my perspective as an atheist: you can still believe in god if you want, but it doesn't mean that you need to ignore science. There are still a lot of ways that these two entities can co-exist. For example, the universe is amazingly fine-tuned. If some physical constants were just a little bit different, life as we know it probably wouldn't be able to exist. One way to explain this, if you'd like, is that the universe was intelligently designed. Maybe god didn't create us directly, but he wrote the physical laws that would eventually lead to our creation.
Another idea: we still don't know where life came from. It seems kind of weird that a bunch of inanimate matter just fused together in the right way to create a cell. Perhaps the earth was "seeded" intentionally.
Of course, to accept any of these ideas, Christians would need to accept that the bible isn't perfect and that it isn't meant to be taken literally, which seems unlikely. But this would be a great way to reconcile religion with science, if that's what you want. Science is such an important thing in our daily lives, it just seems silly that so many people are against it.
the kill count says He hates humanity and regrets creating us.
There wasnt some kind of unexplainable change. God did not just start being described as Father or mercy or loving in the New Testament. Read psalms for example. Jesus himself talked alot about hell and punishment. To act as if there was some major change is simply pointing to the reader not paying attention. There is a new covenant in the new testament. Which means the relationship with God and man is very different to how it was before. But there is no unexplainable change in God's character.
Very good point ! Love it ! I think a lot of people want to paint god as a warlike god angry … but they just were not paying attention. Good point !!
When one looks at old-testament God, and then looks at the classical Greek Pantheon, you can see how similar they are in temperament. They are not ‘All-loving’ gods which ‘Cherish’ Humankind, they are the masters, and something to be feared. They depict a deity in its truest sense, an explanation for the world and all its evils, and it only makes sense that the Lord is to be feared.
The lord has mercy and thats why Christ died
the lord is not to be feared
revelation 1:17
"When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me and said, “Don’t be afraid. I am the First and the Last,"
I have 2 points.
1. . The term "Murder/Murderer" is only applicable to created beings. If I kill a fellow human being here on earth, I am a murderer.
God is the creator of all humans. So He has complete rights to do what he wants to do with his creation. Period.
And when God chooses to end someone's life on earth, he is not killing them. He is the one who decides how long a person should live. He is merely changing their location from earth to where he is.
2. To a non-christian like you, death may seem like the worst thing that could possibly happen to a human. We Christians know that that is not the case. Eternal life in hell because of our own sins is the ultimate worst thing that could happen to us. Who causes us to sin? The devil. Who gave us a gift of forgiveness? God. Why do many humans choose to reject that gift? Because they listen to the devil.
So, saying that the devil has physically killed lesser people in the bible, than the number of people whose lives on earth ended because God decided, is a non-sequitur.
The devil because of his evil manipulations has sent zillions of people to hell (which is 100 times worse than death). Meanwhile, God died on the cross to pay our punishment so that we could be free from sin and live with him in heaven (even though we did not deserve it.)
And apparently God is the villain. ABSURD. Hope this made sense to you. Feel free to ask me any questions.
@@nathanvarghese. Also a just killing isn’t murder. Thats why self defense is legal. Even if lethal.
@@uchennanwogu2142 so killing a man for working on the sabbath a just kill 🙄
9:38 Finally! A non-religious that actually understood that being the God the world it's not an easy task!
fr it’s not easy.
When you are all powerful and demand people to call you perfect it should be
Yes, even God must answer for his crimes against humanity
have you even read the bible
Fascinating and brilliant
I am so happy my fav UA-camr uploaded today:)
You could technically say that God has every kill count, since every human is fated by God to die. 😂😂😂😂
Deism and disbelief in ressurection makes you say this (not religiously but logically saying)
@@szilveszterforgo8776 wtf are you on about lmao
@@selectionn To say that God has "every kill count" makes sense only if you believe in a form of predestination by God - but in most denominations of Christianity lack such a belief (otherwise morality could hardly make any sense).
Plus "every human is fated by God to die" also makes zero sense, semantically speaking, because believers will be ressurected, making "death" temporary. So this other sentence I quoted is also miskeading.
@@szilveszterforgo8776 okay, but if we're talking strictly earthly deaths here and ignoring the afterlife, God still made humanity so that we age and die. Even if you take Genesis absolutely literally and say "Adam and Eve were immortal until they committed original sin", God still punished them, and by extension all of humanity, by making them mortal. So you could argue that technically he does have every kill count, without ever bringing predestination into it
@@szilveszterforgo8776 By making humans mortal god has effectively made sure that they will die. I'm almost certain that is what this commenter meant by "Every human is fated to die." - Literal fate has nothing to do with it. Along with this, believing in resurrection shouldn't change someone's view on whether god has "technically" killed everyone who's died. If someone undoes the effects of an action they took then that doesn't mean that the action never took place.
Edit: Didn't see oranges' comment till now as the comment section wasn't up to date when i was writing the comment.
Imagine worshiping a god that broke his own commandment 24,681,116 times
Nice name weirdo
Humans were subject to commandment, not God.
Would make no sense, if God is under the commandments as well.
And the command was "You shall not murder."
Murder definition is unlawful killing.
So lawful killings were justified.
@@KingPingviiniso killing innocent children is lawful? Lmao okay. And saying god doesn’t follow his own commandments is just wrong. He follows some of them, and even he breaks them from time to time.
Imagine having a username with the word “bussy” in it and trying to have a serious conversation about god 💀
@@Donald18838How do you determine what is lawful and unlawful without the inspiration of God?
0:46 no way what 💀💀💀
Would be pretty dope to have an anime on the angel who decimated the 185,000 Assyrian soldiers. Also I believe the English translation on those "boys teasing" the prophet paints a different picture. You weren't considered a full grown male until your mid- late twenties in those days, so it's safe to interpret it as a group of full grown men in our modern standards verbally harassing an elderly man with the intent to harm Elisha, which you can still argue the punishment was a little too much 😂
Dang man looking at the Angels in the anime Evangelion, those things might be more accurate to the Bible after all, those things could wipe out 185K easily in an average afternoon lol I mean in the 2nd movie an Angel takes a nuclear-level ballistic missile explosion at point-blank range to its face and it doesn't even scratch it
>Makes funny box
>Place really important stuff there
>Anyone who opens it will get instantly anihilated out of existance
God is on that sigma grindset
Pão?
THIS is the content i subbed for
Old Testament God -> New Testament God, now that's some character development!
Maybe if people didn't sin so much there would be less deaths.
The wages of sin is death.
So the killing of innocent children is completely justified then
@@Donald18838 says: *So the killing of innocent children is completely justified then.*
It's justified in the sense that in the Old Testament when God judged a people the immortal souls of the children were saved due to being killed.
The immortal souls of children go directly to heaven when they die because they have yet to reach an age of understanding.
Look at this from God's perspective...
God considers the immortal soul to be more important than our mortal existence and if the children were left alive when God judged a people in the Old Testament instead of being killed when the rest of their people were judged then they would live beyond the age of understanding and become aware of their sins and then be guilty of sin and be condemned for it.
I really love it when people find historical explanation to religious things
Hahaha😁😇😅
There's a lot of jokes surrounding the 'do not be afraid' message that Angels often carry, especially in the new testament, where the Angels take on a much more human form.
But there's one crucial fact that often goes overlooked when talking about Angels.
Angels aren't benevolent, _they're weapons of war._
They are the messengers of God, the instrument that operates to his orders.
He, a being that is described as omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, chooses to not only not engage with us directly, but send more of his creations to interact with his kind.
Angels throughout history, were described as being seen only as tools of intervention at the best of times, and impending annihilation at worst.
They are the blaring sirens warning of an incoming bomber squadron, the screaming alarms foretelling the very forces of nature have turned against us, and are on their way.
But Angels are different than just mere warning systems.
Because warning systems don't originate from the flood, nor from the hurricane nor bombing raid.
No, Angels are merely a "heads up".
A "judgement will be upon you soon, repent".
They are the carriers of terror tactics hither to unseen in our world bar the worst distillations of societal control.
It is every time that i hear about or read the brutal reality of this being, of God, i am reminded of this.
That God is often described as a benevolent and just god, one that weighs your actions, against a pre-established norm, and either rewards or punishes you for them.
But beyond the veil of kindness and compassion, lies the same nigh-omnipotent being that sends his generals out before the main force, not with a compromise, not with an ultimatum or any semblance of choice, but with a simple 'This is what is about to happen to you. Don't bother preparing, it won't help'.
And were i to pour those characteristics into a much more Human shaped mould, i can't help but fear that their figure would resemble one whose name was feared in their own time in history.
It is said that God created man in his own image.
And looking at Humanity, and the darkest reaches of unmorality our kind is often more than willing to tread, i sadly cannot help but to agree.
God is basically Eternal Genghis Khan
@@onetruesavior69 pretty much yeah but much stronger oh and cooler.
@@zyxr3586 Cooler means more based XD
Yeah angels are monstrous, just like their master.
Looove your vids
At first I was thinking "no way he could get specific number, there's too many moments of vague killings!" Then you started talking about times without numbers to add ontop of the specific ones. Ho boy did that put things in perspective!
As someone who is religious, I love your video, and it does give great insight to biblical historical context. With that said 2 things, the laws you brought up, of the 613 laws, you could have said at least one very odd rule. And then I’m not wondering what we’re the 4 deaths in the New Testament. You are making me have to do my own research thank you.
Are you religious tho? Or were you forced to be religious. People don´t became adults, decide to study thousands of religion and then choose.
@@PROVOCATEURSK I know multiple adult people that have done that
@@PROVOCATEURSK Many do it. Smart people do it all the time.
@@PROVOCATEURSK Lmao I came from an agnostic family. Came to uni and now I’m a fully devout Christian involved in 4 different campus ministries.
@@SA-pj3fz 🙏
Brilliant video 👏
I find the most uncomfortable truths to often be the most important to learn about
What's uncomfortable about it? People die every day that's life. Plus, God literally created everything so he has the official right to decide when our time is up.
@@MrGreen-fi5sg kinda creepy to think that something that's supposed to be our protector and number 1 fan would slaughter so many off a whim
@@loods2215 Do you even know what afterlife means? "AFTER" death! When your dead your not gone! So no it isn't creepy that God takes away our life! That is an ignorant statement.
Why are you people such freaking sissies? 🤦♂️😒
I don't know if you mentioned this, but on the "non-exact" side of the ledger, you can also include sacrilege of the bread and cup in I Corinthians 11:29-30, in v.30 "sleep" refers to physical death.
Hell yeah! I can't believe this. Amazing. You're my hero. Lol
Still, I'm curious who are the 10 people killed by Satan?
I'm guessing most if not all of them are Job's family who were killed to test his faith in God
Job's 10 children
Well not exactly Satan Satan but more of a angel being a accuser/adversary of Job
@@dante_0962 Nah, it's Satan Satan. Satan means accuser/adversary. Satan is a title.
Job's wife & kids.
Love your voice and accent. You and Epic History TV have the best voices for this type of stuff.
Biblical heavy metal is now my favorite musical genre