1:30-1:40 I agree with everything except Luffy beating a fresh Kaido. I agree wholeheartedly that Luffy's Yonko level. But only in Gear 5. Just a reminder that the OG Yonko are ALL relative to Gear 5 in power, ALL without any time limits/draining side effect. The final battle in Onigashima is literally an exhausted Kaido vs an exhausted Luffy. BUT the latter was restored by his fruit in which Luffy's previous cause of death was absent in his Gear 5 performance. Meaning, his "death" was irrelevant. We know now that his "death's door" comment is just Gear 5's limiting side effect and only has a short span regardless of how healthy Luffy is.
10:00 Tbf, Onigashima Kaido would beat up the Kaido that Oden fought 20 years ago. It was clear that Kaido's best weapons used against Luffy was absent in the Oden fight.
While Shanks and Roger has the uppehand of having more speed and haki, Big Mom and Kaido having freak physicalities and an OP DF fruit/s makes them not that far behind.
19:04 Akainu's literally less active than Aokiji AND he's literally admitting being the WG's puppet. So no way he's stronger now than he was when he fought Aokiji. Tell you what? Dude's boiling! There will be a point eos in which he's tired of the Celestials and would most likely go against them. Perhaps even kill some of them?
Lastly, about Big Mom! She's 68 years old. She's 10 years older than Kaido in his peak (Onigashima) and only 10 years younger than Garp who arguably lost a lot of strength and stamina as compared to his prime. My point is, while it's not as bad as WB (only 4 years older) and was sick/dying, I think Big Mom's already at that age in which natural aging is already weakening her. Which is my guess in why she refrained from using ACoC vs Law/Kidd as she might've thought that it wouldn't be necessary to beat the two "weaklings". She also used her lifespan powerup, making that "aging" thing even worse. As seen with Luffy vs Kaido, ACoC boosts are superior to DF boosts as an ACoC base Luffy was able to perform better than Gear 4 Luffy pre-Udon. My other guess is due to said aging, Big Mom can't use her DF powerup alongside her ACoC due to how old she is. Also explaining why Old WB relied on his DF in Marineford.
(future)Akainu ----> Pursuing his dreams how he wants to Aokiji -----> Pursuing his dreams, no matter the cost Kizaru ------> A cog in the machine That's what makes the straw hats so strong IMO Everyone is doing it how they want to
@@JoyBoyTheorieswills and dreams aside the power scaling in one piece is actually very simple there is heirarchies there is the warlords , the admirals , the yonkos , and the WG.
I think luffy's real problem powerwise is his stammina, all his most powerful stuff last incredibly little when taking into account his tier can fight for days on end
I’m glad the admirals are being shown as weaker when the strings are attached, the point of this story is that by living for yourself you are stronger and better than anything they can make you into With a lot of things happening these days it feels like oda is trying to say something Can’t wait to see what he says next!
I like the idea of Akainu disbanding from the WG. I think it would be funny and ~good writing if all the 3 original Admirals disbanded from the world government one by one of their own volition. Ending with Akainu since it would be a little surprising as he’s “thorough” but also ignorant justice.
Excellent video JB. Power scaling ultimately is pointless, but fun. Oda writes whatever he wants. Stan Lee has the greatest response to power scalers which was whoever the writer wants to win.
Based on the garp vs kuzan, luffy vs kizaru and how stussy took down lucci, i believe oda is purposely being inconsistent in powerscaling and will draw a battle how he wants and use hypetools/titles or powerscaling dialouge to hype up a characters as a threat or a legend. Oda will give characters we dont expect to have conquerers haki, make a character dumb in combat to nerf them(cough big mom)or will create a counter or a way to compete with a ACoC user(like kuzan using battleship bags to explain how kuzan can compete with conquerer coated garp punches) i think powerscaling doesnt work well with OP, the yonkous arent stronger than the admirals nor vice versa, they are all on the same tier(including the gorosei and imu) the only character that will be in a tier above everyone is luffy since thats what oda has been setting up EoS imo.
I agree, but I don't think it's Oda being inconsistent. He's had characters (including the main character himself) place the Admirals & Yonko side by side multiple times. He's made it clear that Garp could have become an Admiral if he wanted to, etc. Oda has let us know who the top tiers are all along...it's just that certain groups of fans don't want to "share" the spotlight. It may mainly be Yonko fans that want to place them above everyone else and deny that other characters are top tiers, but a lot of powerscaling issues stem from that. At the end of the day, all these individuals are simply the top tiers in the world with different abilities, circumstances and match ups determining how encounters will go.
@@MetakJesu07 yup exactly, and i dont blame yonkostans for feeling like yonkous are the strongest in the verse(besides imu) due to the portayl of whitebeard's and kaido's legend/titles, and the fact that the yonkous are allowed to exist despite how intimidating or strong we see the factions on the WG side, sadly the yonkostans missed the context of the yonkous being controlled opposition since the WG replaced whitebeard,big mom and kaido with blackbeard luffy and buggy as yonkous instead of the WG coming to fill in that vacuum of power themselves
@@mokaljordanPower scaling in OP can be inconsistent, but in the end, the story is all about pirates and adventure anyways so it’s obvious that the Pirates will hold importance in storyline and power. The only exceptions are notable figures from the void century like the elder stars, Imu, Joyboy, Ryuma etc.
@@C1K450 yup C1K, the series started with pirates as the main antagonists and luffy's final fight will be agaisnt a pirate(my bet is on shanks) and even the good marines or ppl that are influenced by luffy are becoming pirate-like. We are just seeing the other side of the coin with the WG as the main threat in the final saga
I love the way of looking at Haki as not just technical proficiency but fuelled by your will to fight at that given moment, and that being what separates the good from the great. Excellent video JB!
The admirals have been hyped up hard and fially get to see Kizaru possibly show his true power is amazing and the only thing that I've personally been waiting for since the early days is for Shanks to go all out. SHANKS STOCKS ARE GOING UP and we will hopefully see this soon 😅
@@michaelking1091sound like an admiral fan boy. You should know that this is a Pirates world. Most of the strongest characters in OP are pirates + Dragon and figures from the void century. Admirals are just government dogs and Luffy and Shanks are gonna wipe the floor with them before Blackbeard or any of the Gorosei gets involved where the real action starts. However, I believe Akainu will beat hype expectations. He’s a beast especially with the magma fruit.
@@Freeeeeeeee27 they stalemated because luffy is down too. Plus he was only tagged because luffy rode off his speed while kizaru was going after another target. Oden got killed by a club from base kaido under similar conditions. Kizaru isn’t looking so bad all things considered 🤣
When you think of it with Joy_Boy's suggestions about how our original "Primary Color Momotaro Beasts" admirals have (d)evolved over the course of the story, in beliefs and overall viewpoints... Film Z with Zephyr's story, a Marine who abandoned his original organization to fight pirates by HIS rules, could be seen as a preview of what might/will happen with Akainu. The way I see it, Akainu will either die as a puppet for higher powers that go counter to his beliefs, or as his final act, he will actively defy their orders to deliver THOROUGH JUSTICE, whatever that happens to be at the moment, damn the consequences. I realized something while watching this video: Akainu is essentially Oda's version of Judge Claude Frollo from Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame. Their character contexts are different of course, but both represent intractable belief systems based on fear and immediate, merciless, and painful punishment for any infraction of the law, no matter how small or how big. Heck, both of them even have fire, death, and unbridled anger (while behaving as "holier than thou" hypocrites) immediately springing to mind as symbols/metaphoric concepts for them.
As long as his death makes no difference for the story ( unimportant ) and he dies a dogs death i really dont care what happens to akainu but i want his death to be the opposite of what rogers aces and whitebeards death were i want akainus death to be uneventful and kinda unimportant for the story...he just dies its tuesday...
I am of the opinion that, JB Theories spoke for me in the video. And that powerscaling as the masses do, for other shonen mangas in general, is a smolbrain act
I have a crazy theory that the Bonnie we know is a clone of Kumas dead daughter, which lead Kuma to undergo the surgery. I know it can be read as nothing, but when Vegapunk called Bonnie a little girl, it struck me how several important people call her young. Kizaru making a joke about how fast kids grow nowadays. Obviously some interplay with her fruit. Stussy being a clone kind of came out of nowhere, as if to plant the seed for the main reveal about bonnie. Bonnie herself remarked how her father would never leave her. I know in real life, that type of talk doesnt mean much, but in anime, those types of tropes about how a character would never do something, or never not leave a specific item so it must mean theyre kidnapped or something, often are hints to what really happened. At first i thought Kuma didnt know about the clone, and when she was revealed to him, thats when his primal urge to protect her kicked in and he rushed off from teh revolutionary army, crashed into the red line, and is now on his way. But, i dont know how he couldve transferred his daughter's memories to Bonnie and not know about the clone. Bonnie seeing Kumas memories revealed to her Vegapunk wasn't teh enemy, but somehow the Goresei are.
@@mits9991 sorry to say? Thats awesome that others think the same i do. Looking forward to see what Kuma and Bonnie’s real history is. I know im not crazy into the theory scene, but i think i wouldve heard about it more than if it was. First i heard on any content creator was on Brago’s 1094 live reaction one of his friends brought it up and Brago sounded like he never heard of it before. This idea hit me about two weeks ago when 1093 hit and Vegapunk called her a young girl, which wasnt the first time that was really harped on
Yeahhhh a lot of people have been coming to this conclusion but that’s not to discredit your own coming to it but from what you said you’re pretty spot on with a lot of theorist so good analysis 👍
But why did the volcano erupt? Because of the delayed “Winner: Luffy”-sign, I directly assumed, that the eruption beat Kaido and Big Mom and not our 3 boys. Like if Oda wanted to tell us, that they weren’t strong enough to beat an emperor, what would make sense, because we are not at the finish line yet. But maybe it only erupt, because Oda wanted them dead? But then again, why the delayed winner-sign?
didn't we see all 3 admirals projecting their Haki outward in Marineford to block Whitebeard's attack though? doesn't that mean they can all use the advanced Haki?
@@eneveasi By advanced haki I meant infused conquerors haki into blows and the repelling of blows by projecting haki outward. I'm not making a distinction here, it's coming from the same concept. Luffy had trouble repelling like Rayleigh, Sentomaru and what the admirals did at Marineford, until he figured out it was infusing conquerors haki into it. Then both repels and can hurt Kaido immediately after. Since then he does it with ease and consistently.
@@TheLastSoundNL yea I don't think that repelling haki is conquerors.. thats probably just ryou technique with armanent haki judging by the fact Sentomaru uses it.
I feel like Big Mom and Kaido Joined an alliance not because they needed to, but because they didn't want to have to fight each other for their Poneglyph rubbings. So they did their fight, fought to a stalemate, and joined forces. Also I'm not sure why, but Big Mom could have easily finished off Kid and Law, but for whatever reason She choice not to and decided to head to the roof top. it's like she was disappointed and just left them, "defeated". Which was her downfall. Realistically it was just plot induced stupidity that caused her to lose to Kid and Law.
The new Admirals have proven, that the Rank of Admiral (or any Powerscale"Rank" incl. Yonko) as a Marker on the Powerscale is an Indicator of strength, but with a broad spectrum in itself. You explained the differences in Powerlevel with the OG Admirals very well - and I would say, that both Fujitora & Green Bull are weaker Admirals than Kizaru now, with Green Bull being the weakest. They are all Adrmiral-Level, but that doesn't mean that every Admiral is on the same Level
That should be a given seeing that Fugitora and Green Bull were not admirals before the time skip. I don’t know what about advancing a vice admiral to admiral would automatically make them as strong as the incumbent admirals. The gap in power between vice admiral and admiral is huge aside from Garp. However, seeing how both new admirals were able to fair against Yonko commanders and warlords, it’s fair to say that there could be other vice admirals aside from Garp that could be in the Yonko commander level.
Unless both Aokiji and Akainu are both in Sword, and the fight was actually part of the plan. This would explain why Akainu is not flipping tables to the gorousei, instead of complying which is so not like him. I feel that Sword will be a bigger deal in the story, since the last arc reveals. The organization called "marine" is too grey, with corruption and cruel people, so it needs a clear "just faction" before the climax, and it could be Sword. I can't see a just person being ok with nuking an island out of the blue.
A thought ive been having is that gear 5 isnt a gear. Gear 5 is luffys purrest form of the sun god fruit and is natural as breathing and isnt expending his life force as the previous gears did. My thought the previous forms were akin to rumble balls a forced awakening in a sense and any forced power usage uses life force because it did not come from natural progression and the body did not naturally acclimate to the power
I'm glad this video is out because in one comment section, few days ago, I was having a discussion with someone and they kept saying that anyone who's in the same position should be equal in strength, I said that's not true because the yonko are no equal to one another and the admirals are not equal to one another. Someone will be stronger than the rest. But nope, they disagreed saying Shanks, Kaido, and Big Mom should be equal because they're all yonko. I stopped replying because it was a waste of time. But I hope they watch this video
Loving the takes lately, this kizaru fight has had me questioning my whole power scaling over the last 20 years lol. Long term fan, will keep giving watch hours! haha
@@hjlnbi exactly it's so obvious at this point. kizaru is not even going all out and luffy is already at his limits he is clearly not ready. everything points towards that admirals are among the last enemies.
I feel like kizarus light could hurt kaido and big mom without acoc. Also I think greenbull would've been a better opponent here than kizaru story wise. But oda dropped him into wano for no reason
They needed to restructure the admiral seats as Akainu got promoted to Fleet Admiral, Sengoku retired, and they needed someone to fill Akainu’s seat and replace Kuzan’s seat. Fujitora is the level headed admiral that I can see go rogue and collapse the admiral system and Kizaru and Green Bull are gonna get spanked by Luffy and Shanks.
I appreciate your work for couple years now but (thanks Oda!!) Here comes Le day of trouble😅: Kiza' is not below Mommy and JBWannabee... He proposed himself to pacify Wano with 2 Yonkos .. Kiza' seems "different" like ultra loyal. He wants to give his best friend a shot to apply his justice...
7:10 That’s a little unfair, idk about useless but there was no leadership. There was no leadership because BM was invading another territory, she left her most valuable subordinate, Big Kat, in Tot land. If the entire BM crew was there I don’t believe the Waterfall would have proven to be an issue.
speaking of haki it has been shown that advanced armament can keep up with a yonko of kaido and big moms lv for a time ( using luffy before his kings haki power up) so admials can like kisaru can fight a yonko for a time defeat a yonko who knows. as for green bull and fugitora they are still young mdmirals so they can experance growth after such low feats. and over condfiance
I couldn't disagree more. I am fine with the idea Shanks is the strongest, but not by much. The main thing is Kaido and Big Mom where emperors before Shanks was a big name. They don't meet every year to decide who is stronger? Kaido in between god valley and the start of the story got strong enough that he became a emperor and then stronger still to the point people put him over big mom. He was just next in line after Whitebeard. Shanks is still a new younko compared to Kaido and also he is more peaceful.
Shanks likes to emulate Rogers fighting style and so far we've counted 3 admirals who are scared to fight him. I don't see Kizaru running away from Luffy cause he's scared, only to accomplish his mission and yet Luffy has enough attack power to bring down Kaido. It really feels like Shanks is on another level with the way he has been depicted.
@@Crisis941 what? Lmao. Ofc Kizaru isn't scared of Luffy. He slapped him around like a flea just 2 years ago. Wtf he gonna be scared of? And even if it was Shanks Kizaru would fight him if he was ordered or had too.
What personality did ace have as a kind to become a king and activate conquerers haki? Would you say bloodline does have a strong impact on it or not? I mean Ace didnt do much in his devlopment to unlock it. Luffy otherwise seeing his crew disappear or "die" infront of him has a much higher impact
It's been already stated in the Manga (by Rayleigh and many other) that conqueror's haki is something you're born with, so it is purely genetic lottery. But people in the Fandom act as if you "earn" coc somehow. Obviously there's some personality trates attached to it, but it's still genetics for the most part. Most coc users we know of are related to previous coc users by blood.
There’s 4 Yonko because Shanks joined late, wasn’t even an upcoming Pirate when the other 3 were starting as Yonko. WG only just got through barely contending with 3 of them. And Kaido got stopped from going for King by being told he’d get something better if he waited. Which he did. WG did not allow Big Mom and Kaido. They had no choice but to considering the God Valley mess. WG were just thankful Rocks hated each other after that otherwise they probably would have been f’d
Personally, I don't think Luffy is Yonko Level mainly because of what happened to Kidd and Law. Plot made them win but as soon as it wasn't needed they both lost to other Yonko. I think Luffy would win again due to being the Protagonist. Also as much as I love Big Mom and like Kaido, I don't like how they had the same "Gimmick" as in having nigh-invincible skin I wish Oda had thought of something different for them.
Agree with the gimmick for Kaido & Big Mom. Made them too similar in that regard. Other than that, I disagree with Luffy not being "Yonko level." He is. He was splitting the sky with Kaido even in base. His strongest attack is stronger than Kaido's strongest attack...so that's one clear area where he's even above. Luffy's issue is just his limited stamina currently. It doesn't mean he isn't at that level, just that he can't operate at it for as long as the rest.
I mean you can draw conclusions from Whitebeard at Marineford. He was still the strongest when old and dying. That’s states. So the Admirals would be able to take a Yonko. Taking one Yonko was never the issue, it was taking two or more at once. It’s why Luffy in G5 vs Kizaru is even and Kizaru is obviously not going all out.
Whitebeard wasn't the strongest at the point of marineford, he carried the title from his younger years and never lost it cause no one challenged it, his marineford feats are no where near kaidos feats in wano
@@godusopp2752 Only in speed & durability though. WB's attack power was just as good with better range...and definitely better than anything Big Mom has shown. WB endured a worse injury (losing half his head) than anything we see Kaido take. That's taking into consideration that we don't know if Kaido could have gotten up after Bajrang Gun if he weren't knocked into magma. That's all besides the fact that WB was only in a 30 chapter arc while Kaido got far more screentime in a 150 chapter one. I agree with you that without plot, it doesn't seem that WB could outlast the other top tiers. Considering the plot though, Oda wanted him to be the strongest above all, even included in his info box in the manga volume: "The strongest pirate in the world has come to Navy HQ to rescue Ace."
Considering the fact that the World Government felt the Shichibukai, and now the Seraphim in their place, were necessary to maintain the balance of power between the Marines and the Yonko, there's no way an admiral could be considered a match for a Yonko.
I like the point about will. My theory is the reason Luffys haki is so strong isn’t because he wants to be king of the pirates but rather he always ends up fighting for his friends. That may be why shanks haki is also so strong.
I think everyone is missing something huge. And it's probably because they want a serious fight. But be honest. Doesn't it seem like the fight between Luffy and Kizaru is just a little goofy? Like neither one is taking this seriously? Have you considered why that may be? You see, men talk with their fists. To me, what Kizaru is saying with his fists is that he really doesn't want to kill Vegapunk. He's saying "please defeat me, so I don't have to kill my friend". But Luffy is saying, "I wanna have some fun, let's fight seriously". And "if you wont fight seriously, neither will I". Kizaru even responds to this verbally, nudging Luffy in the right direction by saying "I'm afraid I've got a job to do, and I cant finish it if we keep playing around". But Luffy doesn't seem to get the message. Kizaru then says "well this is a problem". Lol. Everything changes when Saturn shows up. Luffy probably assumed Kizaru was leading the attack until Saturn showed up. That's when he realized he needed to take out Kizaru fast so he could recharge his ability. So he finally relented, delivering Kizaru the KO he was looking for.
Well yea that's how one piece goes Luffy right now is just defending his nakama while kizaru just wants to eliminate vegapunk it's that easy if both of them actually took the fight seriously like Luffy vs kaido it would be a different outcome
@@IvyMandiolay-o5c I think if he was actually trying to kill Vegapunk, he would have done it already. I think what Kizaru was really trying to do was get Luffy to knock him out, so he wouldn't have to kill Vegapunk. I mean, he was looking right at Luffy when he got punched, and it didn't even look like he tried to dodge or defend. He just let it happen.
@@derrickmiles5240 well that's also another thing is that Luffy is trying to stop kizaru so kizaru can't really do a clean mission from the get go you get what I'm saying? Yonko is trying to stop you from doing of course it's gonna be hard that's just how one piece works.
@@IvyMandiolay-o5c He missed his shot on the vegatank, and said "oopsie, almost had you there". And you really think he's trying? Keep in mind we know he doesn't want to kill Vegapunk in the first place.
Navy is stronger than anyone in the one piece world --- confirmed by Doflamingo. They not only deal against the 4 Yonkos, they also have the duty of stopping every single pirates in the world + other criminals. And navy don't have the warlords now. But, still current Navy is the strongest Navy ever existed in one piece --- confirmed by Jinbe in fishman arc. We have to agree that every past characters who tried to defeat the Navy and the WG, no matter how strong they were,got completely destroyed. And that is why, Joyboy comes in. And Luffy will do that no one did which is overthrowing the WG. The characters who knows about the true history are waiting for that time. So,currently ,"Navy Reigns Supreme".
I have Greenbull and Fujitora on Bigmom and current Blackbeard tier (maybe EOS Blackbeard will become top 3 strongest in the history,but current Blackbeard is most likely on Bigmom level). I have Kizaru on Kaido level (only if Kizaru gives Luffy a tough time). And I have Aokiji/Shanks/Dragon/Mihawk on prime Garp/Roger/prime Whitebeard level. Also,I have Akainu above all the current gen (because it's stated that Akainu is the strongest marine in history of one piece, which means stronger than anyone who was/is a marine) If you think I'm lying about Akainu, then check --- One piece sound and recording magazine, April 2012, issue 4, page 34. Oda also said that Akainu can end one piece in less than a year. (Yes,if you check properly,it says "one piece wouldn't last a year"). 25:33 25:33 25:33
Going on your mihawk video you put out not to long ago do you think he’s more on a yonko level while shanks is at perfect? While zoro is just hitting the yonko level 🤔
ok so this has nothing to do with anything relivent at the moment but something i just thought of was when was the last time any of the prisoners from impel down ate or had something to drink i know luffy and the kamabakas had some but what about crocodile mr 3 buggy and all the rest mr 3 especially when we first saw him he was on the brink of starvation then they all went to war
If Kizaru(same fruit and strength) has Akainu mindset... is Luffy even "stalling" at that point... or trying to survive? IMO Kizaru isnt putting much into this fight. This may change after that white star punch.
Luffy has been the one fighting with a handicap. Targeting a non-combatant is way easier than defending one. All that Kizaru had to do in this fight is go around Luffy and snipe Vegapunk, which he has fail to do. Defeating Luffy headfront would be a even more difficult task.
Funny thing is if Kuzan and Sakazuki ended up as strong or stronger than Kaido that would still not prove the admirals over yonkos narrative, because of the simple fact that they are no longer admirals.
@@scottmorrison1561 Oh really? So when Luffy and Blackbeard rised to Yonko they are still not treated as Yonko rank? And when Sakazuki rise to Fleet Admiral he is still just admiral rank, the same rank as Green Bull and Fujitora?
Admirals are at different strengths. Akainu might be the strongest Admiral, but Fleet Admiral isn't directly a step up in power by default (see Garp and Sengoku). "So when Luffy and Blackbeard rised to Yonko they are still not treated as Yonko rank?" - Not sure what you mean. If you're comparing them becoming Yonko to Sakazuki being promoted and Aokiji leaving the Marines, then I'd disagree with that comparison. These examples are somewhat besides the point, though - Sakazuki represents Admiral power just as Kizaru and Aokiji do. There's no reason for Aokiji to no longer represent Admiral power either, unless you think he's become massively stronger to the point where he's not comparable to other Admirals. In short, I think you're over-complicating things. The original 3 Admirals represent Admiral tier; within that you can also acknowledge that they may have got stronger post-timeskip. You could, however also reassess these tiers as they change, ie: with Green Bull and Fuji added/Big Mom and Kaido possibly no longer being Yonko. So I do get your point here, but the fact the the three OG Admirals (or at least Kizaru and Akainu) are still around to scale, we cam still use those characters to gauge Admiral strength.@@disasteromega
@@scottmorrison1561 A tier can not change in strength, a person can rise above his previous tier, otherwise this whole thing is pointless, why name a tier based on a job title at all if it shifts?
@@scottmorrison1561 Think of it this way, if Koby became an admiral at the end of the series, and he is the equal of Luffy who is the pirate king in power, does that mean admiral tier is now pirate king level?
10:10 had me weak. Titles in One Piece are given to people, by OTHER people lol. For people to really think Kaido was the Strongest/ or Most Powerful 'Creature' in the world compared to unknown powers of stuff like the Gorosei is base propaganda that the world Gov. likely prefer so that they can remain in the shadows.
All I gotta say is that if kaido protected himself with haki, ain’t nobody but shanks even scratching him. He doesn’t really need to cause his body is so durable…. But imagine if he did… he would have taken absolutely 0 damage.
I think the Akainu/WB matchup shows better than anything the gap between yonkou and admiral. Akainu might have blown a chunk of WB's face off, but we all know WB was severly weakened. Marco even commented on as much after Squardo stabbed him. Normally, WB would have easily avoided such an attack, even at close range. Would Akainu have been able to land a SINGLE blow on prime WB? Considering what happened to him right after he landed those serious blows and the fact that WB could have finished him off had the terrain not collapsed, I really doubt it. As for Luffy, I'm not so sure Luffy would win against a fair 1v1 against Kaido, not even now. But again, judging by Akainu/WB, I don't think the admirals are as strong. Luffy being able to at least fend off Kizaru makes total sense to me. In this last chapter, it seems like Kizaru shot a light beam and hit Luffy, spinning him around. If that's the case, Luffy might have punched him in the head at near light speed (or at least, really, REALLY fast). Why wouldn't that OHKO someone, even an admiral?
A prime wb will beat the rest of the yonko too, theres no comparison there. He’s a pirate king level. Kaido and bm are never a pirate king level. You can exclude shanks because we don’t know alot of his power.
That makes no sense. Firstly, that 2nd fight of Akainu & WB is just 1 of the 4 fights he had with the Admirals. Why didn't you use the fight with Kizaru where he dodges a slash from WB and shoots him in the torso? Or the 1st round with Akainu? Where he stopped a swing from WB with 1 foot and his hands in his pockets? In that case, you're just cherrypicking what you want. WB only hit Akainu in the 2nd round because he attacked him from behind when he was chasing Luffy, so that criteria doesn't work...unless you're actually suggesting that Akainu is stronger because he would have done far worse to WB with a hit to the head from behind. That 1 fight doesn't suggest any imagined gap at all...especially since form what we've seen, the likes of Big Mom would have fared worse than Akainu in that 2nd scenario.
@@MetakJesu07 I can point to any of those fights if you want. You're still talking about a guy that is old, on life support usually, stabbed clear through the chest before anything began, stabbed and shot multiple times by fodder marines, and suffering from heart spasms or something mid-fight. Akainu's first major attack was the first bit of damage I remember WB actually sustaining from the admirals, so if you want to use "he was attacked from behind" as an excuse for WB, then "he was attacked while having a heart attack" is the excuse for Akainu. The fact that this dude is still rampaging at all is a testament to how strong he is. Akainu was at complete health. Being attacked from behind shouldn't be an excuse (but we all know Oda uses observation at his will...). There's a reason Oda had to nerf WB by using Squardo, giving Akainu a free (and devastating) shot. If WB went into this with no nerf, I think it would have taken all three admirals to keep him busy. And you say there's no gap. That's what doesn't make sense.
Imo, the old Yonko kinda HAVE to be stronger than the admirals because otherwise their very existence becomes a plot hole that requires further explanation There are 4 Emperor's and 3 Admirals with a Fleet Admiral who should be stronger than the admirals below them thus stronger than any Yonko So why would the WG allow the Yonko to exist if they could easily deal with them? And why did they worry so much about Big Mom and Kaido teaming up? Again my opinion the only way that makes sense is if at least 2 Admirals are MANDATORY to fight a single of the old Yonko, that's why the powers of the world are balanced, the Marines can't do anything about the Yonko because it'd take too much manpower and they'd only be able to fight 2 at once at max leaving the other Yonko to do whatever they want to the world unopposed, and the Yonko can't just wipe out the Marines because none of them are strong enough to take on multiple Admirals at once
So why would the wg eliminate emperors? The wg used emperors to prevent other pirates from becoming too strong. If you think the wg wants the emperor gone but can’t beat them, then why would the wg replace wb, kaido and bm when they fall? Exactly for them to continue the balance. Now for the admirals vs emperor, it really all depends on who’s fighting who. I can see kaido, shanks luffy and bb high/ex dif all admirals excluding akainu but no way in hell I can see bm beating the og admirals. Maybe gb and fujitora.
The government doesn't appoint yonko. It's a title they get from the people. Think of big news Morgans, he declared Luffy the fifth emperor a while ago. Or Buggy being a yonko due to perception alone. Also the yonko cause direct problems for the world government like kaido being an obstacle to taking wano. Not to mention the balance doesn't help the WG. They are the main power but they needed the warlords to maintain that, until they got the pacifista and seraphim. Why would they keep a balance that requires them to keep criminals employed while toting a philosophy like absolute justice?
@@Kilo1992 exactly..... they don't want to defeat the emperor's..... kizaru is definitely stronger than kaido, luffy is already at his limits while kizaru is still unharmed.
That scenario doesn't change anything though. You will always need 2 Admirals to guarantee a win against a Yonko even if the Admirals were stronger than the Yonko. The same applies if they were exactly equal or weaker too. The only way it would make any difference is if an Admiral were so much stronger than a Yonko that there were absolutely no chance they'd lose to one....or so much weaker than a Yonko by up to half their strength. Those options are just silly. The whole "why don't they wipe out the yonko" argument is pointless otherwise, and that's besides the WG wanting to maintain balance and such.
Luffy lacks of counqueror's haki to be used in defense, in Kaido War Luffy learn Conqueror's haki can be coated with offense. Maybe when he meet shanks thats the time luffy can emulate shanks defensive haki.
A wise man said the greatest sacrafise require the greates of will i am feeling of that toward kizaru admirals are the only people that can takedown anyone in there way fruend or foe to achieve their goal despite how much they care amd conection to that person none of the pirate have the heart to persue that and they fact they have stayed as strong as they are speaks of something itself.
I believe Shanks is the modern day roger and mihawk is his equal. Which means both characters are on the same tier as Roger and WB. Than there’s dragon who seems like he will face off against Imu the strongest in the verse (maybe to lose). If the top 5 strongest old gen are xebec, Wb, Roger, Garp & Oden. The new gen top 5 are Shanks Mihawk Dragon Akinu & BB and you know the new gen will surpass the old gen. The old gen is used as a mile stone for the current gen to surpass. Than there’s luffy our boy
I don't think, and I really hope, that Logia fruits don't have an awakening, and that they are different somehow. That would explain why Vegapunk couldn't replicate them.
Nice video as usual. Off Topic what's your opinion on Vivi getting Kuma's Devil Fruit and do you think she needs a power up such as a devil fruit or possibly ancient weapon (unlikely) as she reunites with the Crew? As for why Kuma's fruit, its just a theory Lili Nefertari used the fruit in the past to move the poneglyphs. Vivi's finally back in the story and the current events for Kuma could be dire as well as the old theory of the Nikyu Nikyu being 2-9 and Oda with his numbers.
After that video i have a question. If this you are saying is going to be true, is there a possibility that in final war Akainus mind snaps and try to kill pirates and the world government at the same time being the ultimate joker of the final war numbers/players for each side before someone kill him?
These are the spoilers you will come back to :- Buggy is a celestial Dragon having ties to the holy knights. There is a nothing called a 'Logia' type devil fruit. Every Logia fruit is a Mythical Zoan (For references ,check Enel's final transformation before getting knocked by luffy,you will know what I mean)
I mean, Akainu didn't beat Whitebeard, he plunged his insides twice and blew off half his face for sure but Whitebeard kept coming at him and messed up his insides in the final blow, he's more lucky he slipped into a crevice to recover. Yonko are not equal, Whitebeard doesn't get called the 'World's Strongest Man' or 'The Man Closest to the One Piece' with them being all equals. Luffy is Yonko tier, but he's barely Yonko tier, he's probably the same tier as Blackbeard was at Marineford where he was hitting a stalemate with Sengoku, Blackbeard took 2 years to grow even more in power and influence, and influence is a key part of being a Yonko; territory, army, reputation, it's what divides an Emperor from a Warlord, otherwise I feel like Mihawk would've counted as an Emperor long ago since he's similarly built different. Thus with Admirals, I don't see them as Yonko tier, but they can pose a threat to Yonko tier. Kizaru while fighting Luffy was also dragging out Gear Fifth and trying to avoid him to get to Vegapunk, Akainu and Aokiji meanwhile have proven capable of handling Yonko commander level quite easily (Akainu beat Aokiji but Aokiji could instafreeze half of Blackbeard's crew and beat Jozu), so they could still challenge Luffy, but I don't see them challenging Blackbeard or Shanks and winning. It can act on a person by person basis too; Kizaru seemed very against fighting Beckman and needed Sea Prism to really best Marco after all. The proper power scale question should be with Sabo, who can destroy a Vice Admiral, and a Ten Titanic Captain, fight Fujitora, and escape the Gorosei, what vitamins has he been eating?
Akainu did beat him in their 1st fight. That's when WB's illness started acting up and Akainu put a hole in his torso. If he went for the head or even just did a follow up attack, WB would be dead there and then. In the 2nd fight, WB attacked him from behind with a quake to the head, then Akainu retaliates by melting off nearly half his head. WB then hits him with the quake that splits the island and Akainu falls into the chasm. He then burrows his way underground to cut off Jimbe who was running away with Luffy. I don't see how that somehow separates the Admirals from a "Yonko tier"...especially since considering what we've seen, Big Mom would be even worse off in Akainu's shoes. Kizaru also handled Luffy in Gear 4 better than Kaido did. Luffy needed Gear 5 to have a chance against both of them. It's not over yet, but even as of now Kizaru has matched 1 round of Gear 5th and pushed Luffy to his limit. That just shows how all these top tiers are around a similar level.
@@MetakJesu07 doesn't count as a win since he didn't get KO'd or die, Akainu then disappeared from the fight rather than finishing him off, as grunts tried to finish the job and ended up dangling off his body; also ifs and buts are kinda moot, for instance if Whitebeard used ACOC Akainu would be a dead puddle on the floor, and Akainu was not above asterisks given how he also manipulated Squard to stab Whitebeard to begin with. You're also validating my point of 'person by person basis'
@@dannybob42 "ifs and buts" is the entire premise of comparing Admirals & Yonko in the first place. That's like saying that the Admirals are stronger than the Yonko because Kizaru damaged WB in their fight while WB couldn't touch him. That's just exposing a bias and implies that you don't care about the logic. And no, even the likes of Zoro with several broken bones could take an ACoC attack from Kaido...even Kinemon took one directly to the head and was still conscious...yet you somehow thought such a thing would kill Akainu? That's just funny. Firstly, ACoC wasn't even a thing at the time, neither was it even visualized. So speculation about it is moot. Secondly, it's still pointless because it was an attack from behind. If Akainu were the one attacking WB from behind, he would also kill him with such a hit. Besides that, manipulating Squardo was Sengoku's plan first of all. Secondly, why would you expect the Navy to not try and reduce their casualties? Did you think it was some sort of game? And yes, I already said that it's always going to be a person by person basis when it comes down to it. I was just pointing out the issues with the rest of your statements.
@@MetakJesu07 If half of Akainu's body is being pressed into a flattened mass against the floor with no Haki then any amount of Haki is gonna crush his skull, brain, and other vital bones and organs, which is very much dead - so yeah the logic tracks. But again you prove my point with Ifs and Buts; WB didn't use Haki or ACOC, and Akainu didn't get a full blow at the face - except that time when he did in a more pocket sand manner - or was able to attack WB from behind (if he could since Mantra/Observation Haki has already been established). You also can't say Akainu won the first encounter given that WB got up from his best hits in both encounters and continued to fight, concrete fact is that Whitebeard didn't lose against Akainu since he wasn't KO'd or dead from them, your implication that he did is exposing Akainu bias on your part. Akainu still manipulated Squard though, because Sengoku planned it doesn't mean he didn't enact it. Why would you expect Whitebeard to be formal about attacking Akainu after murdering Ace? Was he supposed to just let him turn around so he had time to block or attack the face like you are saying? Do you think it was some sort of game?
@@dannybob42 Ah...you're an anime only watcher. That explains that. The anime just added a bunch of stuff and took out some stuff for that fight. In the manga, it was just a hit to the head, not the weird flattening effect. Also, WB was clearly using haki or he wouldn't be able to damage Akainu in the first place. Akainu is a top tier, so his endurance is just monstrous as well. Such an attack obviously wouldn't kill him anymore than it could kill Luffy, lol. Kind of weird you knew about the anime changing Akainu melting WB's head to just his mustache, but forgot that the weird flattening thing was also a change... Again, seems like you're doing a lot of cherrypicking. And again, no. WB was using haki. Even his men mentioning it when he's fighting Aokiji, for example. He's not an idiot, you can't harm logias without it. Also, when did Akainu attack WB from behind? Are you misremembering things? Such a thing never happened...it was WB that attacked him from behind. Akainu wasn't KO'd or dead from WB's hits in the 2nd fight either...so by your very own definition, Akainu didn't lose. So why the double standards? The point is that if Akainu did a follow up in that 1st fight and just hit WB in the head he would be dead. WB had no way to stop that as we see all the fodder hitting him right after. The plot is still the plot, so that obviously didn't happen though. And...um...when did I say that WB should have given Akainu a warning, lol? I was just pointing out the context of that 2nd fight and how it makes no sense to try and use that to suggest there's some separate "Yonko tier."
Akynu clearly lost against Whitebeard. Sure he got a direct hit against an injured Whitebeard that took off part of his right side skin. But Akynu spent the rest of the fight getting thrown around and manhandled by Whitebeard. Whitebeard then went on to fight someone else. It was clearly shown that old sick and Crippled Whitebeard was far above Akynu.
@@IvyMandiolay-o5c Did you just compare an Admiral to the likes of Katakuri? That's what doesn't make any sense. Of course the Admirals and Yonko can beat each other...that's why they are the top tiers and opponents who determine the level of the Pirate King. Even the main character himself treats them interchangeably. That's the entire point of them serving as deterrents to one another.
Luffy never beat Kaido. They're not 'excuses', they're just facts. The alliance beat Kaido, who had to be nerfed by Oda because he was too strong. Ko'ing Luffy several times, levitating the island, and pretty much fighting someone the entire time during the raid, always several people at once. Even to finish Kaido off, Oda had to literally make him stand there and refuse to dodge Luffy's strongest attack, like Cell taking the final flash. To say 'if they dueled again Luffy would win' is complete nonsense. We saw Luffy's level right now in a 1 v 1 fight, and he basically has a draw with Kizaru. By that logic Kizaru can take Kaido, and that's clearly not the case. He couldn't take one flush hit from Luffy, Kaido was eating them through his head and bouncing Luffy around like a pinball.
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1:30-1:40 I agree with everything except Luffy beating a fresh Kaido. I agree wholeheartedly that Luffy's Yonko level. But only in Gear 5.
Just a reminder that the OG Yonko are ALL relative to Gear 5 in power, ALL without any time limits/draining side effect.
The final battle in Onigashima is literally an exhausted Kaido vs an exhausted Luffy. BUT the latter was restored by his fruit in which Luffy's previous cause of death was absent in his Gear 5 performance.
Meaning, his "death" was irrelevant. We know now that his "death's door" comment is just Gear 5's limiting side effect and only has a short span regardless of how healthy Luffy is.
10:00 Tbf, Onigashima Kaido would beat up the Kaido that Oden fought 20 years ago. It was clear that Kaido's best weapons used against Luffy was absent in the Oden fight.
While Shanks and Roger has the uppehand of having more speed and haki, Big Mom and Kaido having freak physicalities and an OP DF fruit/s makes them not that far behind.
19:04 Akainu's literally less active than Aokiji AND he's literally admitting being the WG's puppet. So no way he's stronger now than he was when he fought Aokiji. Tell you what? Dude's boiling! There will be a point eos in which he's tired of the Celestials and would most likely go against them. Perhaps even kill some of them?
Lastly, about Big Mom! She's 68 years old. She's 10 years older than Kaido in his peak (Onigashima) and only 10 years younger than Garp who arguably lost a lot of strength and stamina as compared to his prime.
My point is, while it's not as bad as WB (only 4 years older) and was sick/dying, I think Big Mom's already at that age in which natural aging is already weakening her.
Which is my guess in why she refrained from using ACoC vs Law/Kidd as she might've thought that it wouldn't be necessary to beat the two "weaklings".
She also used her lifespan powerup, making that "aging" thing even worse.
As seen with Luffy vs Kaido, ACoC boosts are superior to DF boosts as an ACoC base Luffy was able to perform better than Gear 4 Luffy pre-Udon.
My other guess is due to said aging, Big Mom can't use her DF powerup alongside her ACoC due to how old she is. Also explaining why Old WB relied on his DF in Marineford.
"lead, follow or get out of the way" akainu chose to lead, kizaru chose to follow, and kuzan chose to get out of the way.
He fought and lost, he didn’t willing move out the way…he tried..lol
@@georgemartinez109no he didn't willingly follow it's either he leads or he leaves
(future)Akainu ----> Pursuing his dreams how he wants to
Aokiji -----> Pursuing his dreams, no matter the cost
Kizaru ------> A cog in the machine
That's what makes the straw hats so strong IMO Everyone is doing it how they want to
@@JoyBoyTheorieswills and dreams aside the power scaling in one piece is actually very simple there is heirarchies there is the warlords , the admirals , the yonkos , and the WG.
Buggy is a Yonko tho@@IvyMandiolay-o5c
I think luffy's real problem powerwise is his stammina, all his most powerful stuff last incredibly little when taking into account his tier can fight for days on end
Its his body not only stamina, at shadow zombie arc his will already strong. He needs it to control but his df needs him 100 percent all the time.
He doesn’t quite have the same drawbacks with Gear 4th. I think it’s more him being new to it. Like with Gear 3rd and chibi Luffy
I'm excited to see Blackbeard encounter Kizaru, I feel like Oda won't be able to resist the juxtaposition of their abilities.
Day man, fighter of the Night man
An even more relevant juxtaposition. I expect Blackbeard to absolutely body Kizaru.@@MrDUneven
@@MrDUnevenChampion of the sun. Protector of karate and friendship for everyone.
Light would not escape the gaping black hole
If so, BB should destroy him.
I like when flashy logia do pretty and fun things and so does Oda. The layers of character and story depth also add a ton to it
I’m glad the admirals are being shown as weaker when the strings are attached, the point of this story is that by living for yourself you are stronger and better than anything they can make you into
With a lot of things happening these days it feels like oda is trying to say something
Can’t wait to see what he says next!
I like the idea of Akainu disbanding from the WG. I think it would be funny and ~good writing if all the 3 original Admirals disbanded from the world government one by one of their own volition. Ending with Akainu since it would be a little surprising as he’s “thorough” but also ignorant justice.
Excellent video JB. Power scaling ultimately is pointless, but fun. Oda writes whatever he wants. Stan Lee has the greatest response to power scalers which was whoever the writer wants to win.
Based on the garp vs kuzan, luffy vs kizaru and how stussy took down lucci, i believe oda is purposely being inconsistent in powerscaling and will draw a battle how he wants and use hypetools/titles or powerscaling dialouge to hype up a characters as a threat or a legend. Oda will give characters we dont expect to have conquerers haki, make a character dumb in combat to nerf them(cough big mom)or will create a counter or a way to compete with a ACoC user(like kuzan using battleship bags to explain how kuzan can compete with conquerer coated garp punches) i think powerscaling doesnt work well with OP, the yonkous arent stronger than the admirals nor vice versa, they are all on the same tier(including the gorosei and imu) the only character that will be in a tier above everyone is luffy since thats what oda has been setting up EoS imo.
I agree, but I don't think it's Oda being inconsistent. He's had characters (including the main character himself) place the Admirals & Yonko side by side multiple times. He's made it clear that Garp could have become an Admiral if he wanted to, etc.
Oda has let us know who the top tiers are all along...it's just that certain groups of fans don't want to "share" the spotlight. It may mainly be Yonko fans that want to place them above everyone else and deny that other characters are top tiers, but a lot of powerscaling issues stem from that.
At the end of the day, all these individuals are simply the top tiers in the world with different abilities, circumstances and match ups determining how encounters will go.
@@MetakJesu07 yup exactly, and i dont blame yonkostans for feeling like yonkous are the strongest in the verse(besides imu) due to the portayl of whitebeard's and kaido's legend/titles, and the fact that the yonkous are allowed to exist despite how intimidating or strong we see the factions on the WG side, sadly the yonkostans missed the context of the yonkous being controlled opposition since the WG replaced whitebeard,big mom and kaido with blackbeard luffy and buggy as yonkous instead of the WG coming to fill in that vacuum of power themselves
@@mokaljordanPower scaling in OP can be inconsistent, but in the end, the story is all about pirates and adventure anyways so it’s obvious that the Pirates will hold importance in storyline and power. The only exceptions are notable figures from the void century like the elder stars, Imu, Joyboy, Ryuma etc.
@@C1K450 yup C1K, the series started with pirates as the main antagonists and luffy's final fight will be agaisnt a pirate(my bet is on shanks) and even the good marines or ppl that are influenced by luffy are becoming pirate-like. We are just seeing the other side of the coin with the WG as the main threat in the final saga
I love the way of looking at Haki as not just technical proficiency but fuelled by your will to fight at that given moment, and that being what separates the good from the great. Excellent video JB!
The admirals have been hyped up hard and fially get to see Kizaru possibly show his true power is amazing and the only thing that I've personally been waiting for since the early days is for Shanks to go all out. SHANKS STOCKS ARE GOING UP and we will hopefully see this soon 😅
Admiral stocks are up too bud it’s obvious that Oda is going above and beyond to hype shanks the most.
@@michaelking1091sound like an admiral fan boy. You should know that this is a Pirates world. Most of the strongest characters in OP are pirates + Dragon and figures from the void century. Admirals are just government dogs and Luffy and Shanks are gonna wipe the floor with them before Blackbeard or any of the Gorosei gets involved where the real action starts. However, I believe Akainu will beat hype expectations. He’s a beast especially with the magma fruit.
@@C1K450 luffy sure isn’t “whipping the floor with kizaru” but whatever buddy 🤣
@@michaelking1091 Kizaru got one shotted
@@Freeeeeeeee27 they stalemated because luffy is down too. Plus he was only tagged because luffy rode off his speed while kizaru was going after another target.
Oden got killed by a club from base kaido under similar conditions. Kizaru isn’t looking so bad all things considered 🤣
Mother carmel said in chapter 867 big mom has the potential to be a admiral or fleet admiral
When you think of it with Joy_Boy's suggestions about how our original "Primary Color Momotaro Beasts" admirals have (d)evolved over the course of the story, in beliefs and overall viewpoints... Film Z with Zephyr's story, a Marine who abandoned his original organization to fight pirates by HIS rules, could be seen as a preview of what might/will happen with Akainu. The way I see it, Akainu will either die as a puppet for higher powers that go counter to his beliefs, or as his final act, he will actively defy their orders to deliver THOROUGH JUSTICE, whatever that happens to be at the moment, damn the consequences.
I realized something while watching this video: Akainu is essentially Oda's version of Judge Claude Frollo from Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame. Their character contexts are different of course, but both represent intractable belief systems based on fear and immediate, merciless, and painful punishment for any infraction of the law, no matter how small or how big. Heck, both of them even have fire, death, and unbridled anger (while behaving as "holier than thou" hypocrites) immediately springing to mind as symbols/metaphoric concepts for them.
As long as his death makes no difference for the story ( unimportant ) and he dies a dogs death
i really dont care what happens to akainu but i want his death to be the opposite of what rogers aces and whitebeards death were i want akainus death to be uneventful and kinda unimportant for the story...he just dies its tuesday...
It’s been clearly set up for Akainu to flip on the WG.
I am of the opinion that, JB Theories spoke for me in the video. And that powerscaling as the masses do, for other shonen mangas in general, is a smolbrain act
It was such a beautiful video. It changed my perspective about yonko level
I have a crazy theory that the Bonnie we know is a clone of Kumas dead daughter, which lead Kuma to undergo the surgery. I know it can be read as nothing, but when Vegapunk called Bonnie a little girl, it struck me how several important people call her young. Kizaru making a joke about how fast kids grow nowadays. Obviously some interplay with her fruit. Stussy being a clone kind of came out of nowhere, as if to plant the seed for the main reveal about bonnie. Bonnie herself remarked how her father would never leave her. I know in real life, that type of talk doesnt mean much, but in anime, those types of tropes about how a character would never do something, or never not leave a specific item so it must mean theyre kidnapped or something, often are hints to what really happened. At first i thought Kuma didnt know about the clone, and when she was revealed to him, thats when his primal urge to protect her kicked in and he rushed off from teh revolutionary army, crashed into the red line, and is now on his way. But, i dont know how he couldve transferred his daughter's memories to Bonnie and not know about the clone. Bonnie seeing Kumas memories revealed to her Vegapunk wasn't teh enemy, but somehow the Goresei are.
Srry to say bro but this theory is all over the net , every one piece content creator is drawing this conclusion…
lol "crazy".
@@mits9991 sorry to say? Thats awesome that others think the same i do. Looking forward to see what Kuma and Bonnie’s real history is. I know im not crazy into the theory scene, but i think i wouldve heard about it more than if it was. First i heard on any content creator was on Brago’s 1094 live reaction one of his friends brought it up and Brago sounded like he never heard of it before. This idea hit me about two weeks ago when 1093 hit and Vegapunk called her a young girl, which wasnt the first time that was really harped on
Yeahhhh a lot of people have been coming to this conclusion but that’s not to discredit your own coming to it but from what you said you’re pretty spot on with a lot of theorist so good analysis 👍
I read this exact comment verbatim the other day lol copypasta
But why did the volcano erupt? Because of the delayed “Winner: Luffy”-sign, I directly assumed, that the eruption beat Kaido and Big Mom and not our 3 boys. Like if Oda wanted to tell us, that they weren’t strong enough to beat an emperor, what would make sense, because we are not at the finish line yet. But maybe it only erupt, because Oda wanted them dead? But then again, why the delayed winner-sign?
good intepretation. The delayed winner sign is most likely because of weekly cliffhanger reasons. But youre right
Maybe one of them is alive or both who knows 🤷♂️
The power scaling is whatever the story requires.
Dude
I think we’re all here for it
Admiral season is high 🔥
Lmao the ad transition 👌
didn't we see all 3 admirals projecting their Haki outward in Marineford to block Whitebeard's attack though? doesn't that mean they can all use the advanced Haki?
advanced haki is different than advanced conquerors haki.
Yh that was advanced armament haki
@@eneveasi By advanced haki I meant infused conquerors haki into blows and the repelling of blows by projecting haki outward. I'm not making a distinction here, it's coming from the same concept. Luffy had trouble repelling like Rayleigh, Sentomaru and what the admirals did at Marineford, until he figured out it was infusing conquerors haki into it. Then both repels and can hurt Kaido immediately after. Since then he does it with ease and consistently.
@@TheLastSoundNL yea I don't think that repelling haki is conquerors.. thats probably just ryou technique with armanent haki judging by the fact Sentomaru uses it.
I feel like Big Mom and Kaido Joined an alliance not because they needed to, but because they didn't want to have to fight each other for their Poneglyph rubbings. So they did their fight, fought to a stalemate, and joined forces.
Also I'm not sure why, but Big Mom could have easily finished off Kid and Law, but for whatever reason She choice not to and decided to head to the roof top. it's like she was disappointed and just left them, "defeated". Which was her downfall. Realistically it was just plot induced stupidity that caused her to lose to Kid and Law.
Plot, that's why.
I mean, that’s why they did it. They knew joining forces would make them basically unstoppable and they agreed to continue fighting later.
@@mrbubbles6468 Accept big mom was hurting kaidos chances more than helping it
Big mom is alive or maybe even kaido who knows 🤷♂️
The new Admirals have proven, that the Rank of Admiral (or any Powerscale"Rank" incl. Yonko) as a Marker on the Powerscale is an Indicator of strength, but with a broad spectrum in itself.
You explained the differences in Powerlevel with the OG Admirals very well - and I would say, that both Fujitora & Green Bull are weaker Admirals than Kizaru now, with Green Bull being the weakest.
They are all Adrmiral-Level, but that doesn't mean that every Admiral is on the same Level
That should be a given seeing that Fugitora and Green Bull were not admirals before the time skip. I don’t know what about advancing a vice admiral to admiral would automatically make them as strong as the incumbent admirals. The gap in power between vice admiral and admiral is huge aside from Garp.
However, seeing how both new admirals were able to fair against Yonko commanders and warlords, it’s fair to say that there could be other vice admirals aside from Garp that could be in the Yonko commander level.
Awww yeah there goes my boy with another one.
I'll get your books soon. Love your content g-thug
Couldn't agree more. I'd love for you and Morj to have a real back and forth. You both carry a very similar logical/emotional balance.
Unless both Aokiji and Akainu are both in Sword, and the fight was actually part of the plan. This would explain why Akainu is not flipping tables to the gorousei, instead of complying which is so not like him. I feel that Sword will be a bigger deal in the story, since the last arc reveals. The organization called "marine" is too grey, with corruption and cruel people, so it needs a clear "just faction" before the climax, and it could be Sword. I can't see a just person being ok with nuking an island out of the blue.
A thought ive been having is that gear 5 isnt a gear. Gear 5 is luffys purrest form of the sun god fruit and is natural as breathing and isnt expending his life force as the previous gears did. My thought the previous forms were akin to rumble balls a forced awakening in a sense and any forced power usage uses life force because it did not come from natural progression and the body did not naturally acclimate to the power
Cool I’ll check them books out great video
thank you!
1:43 Woah, you mean 1v1 from start to finish? Oh man, I love me some Luffy but idk if I’m there yet😅
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This does bring up the reading of his(Akainu) interaction with Kuma where he feels like the Puppet with a lost will.
I'm glad this video is out because in one comment section, few days ago, I was having a discussion with someone and they kept saying that anyone who's in the same position should be equal in strength, I said that's not true because the yonko are no equal to one another and the admirals are not equal to one another. Someone will be stronger than the rest. But nope, they disagreed saying Shanks, Kaido, and Big Mom should be equal because they're all yonko. I stopped replying because it was a waste of time. But I hope they watch this video
Great video JB I always enjoy listening to your opinions on one piece ❤
16:08 “[Where] of the same level”
Loving the takes lately, this kizaru fight has had me questioning my whole power scaling over the last 20 years lol. Long term fan, will keep giving watch hours! haha
from the start we already know the admirals are the strongest characters in the manga
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lmao yonkotard is mad becuase hes boys getteing their asses kicked@@lowky5698
@@hjlnbi kizaru w/o any haki not even focused = acoc gear 5 luffy > kaido but they don't wanna hear
@@hjlnbi exactly it's so obvious at this point. kizaru is not even going all out and luffy is already at his limits he is clearly not ready. everything points towards that admirals are among the last enemies.
I feel like kizarus light could hurt kaido and big mom without acoc. Also I think greenbull would've been a better opponent here than kizaru story wise. But oda dropped him into wano for no reason
They needed to restructure the admiral seats as Akainu got promoted to Fleet Admiral, Sengoku retired, and they needed someone to fill Akainu’s seat and replace Kuzan’s seat. Fujitora is the level headed admiral that I can see go rogue and collapse the admiral system and Kizaru and Green Bull are gonna get spanked by Luffy and Shanks.
@@C1K450 agreed but kizaru getting washed before greenbull is weird af. makes me think kizarus going to have a twist coming up we're not prepped for.
I appreciate your work for couple years now but (thanks Oda!!) Here comes Le day of trouble😅: Kiza' is not below Mommy and JBWannabee... He proposed himself to pacify Wano with 2 Yonkos .. Kiza' seems "different" like ultra loyal. He wants to give his best friend a shot to apply his justice...
7:10 That’s a little unfair, idk about useless but there was no leadership. There was no leadership because BM was invading another territory, she left her most valuable subordinate, Big Kat, in Tot land. If the entire BM crew was there I don’t believe the Waterfall would have proven to be an issue.
Incredible work with this one.
speaking of haki it has been shown that advanced armament can keep up with a yonko of kaido and big moms lv for a time ( using luffy before his kings haki power up) so admials can like kisaru can fight a yonko for a time defeat a yonko who knows. as for green bull and fugitora they are still young mdmirals so they can experance growth after such low feats. and over condfiance
I couldn't disagree more. I am fine with the idea Shanks is the strongest, but not by much. The main thing is Kaido and Big Mom where emperors before Shanks was a big name. They don't meet every year to decide who is stronger? Kaido in between god valley and the start of the story got strong enough that he became a emperor and then stronger still to the point people put him over big mom. He was just next in line after Whitebeard. Shanks is still a new younko compared to Kaido and also he is more peaceful.
Shanks likes to emulate Rogers fighting style and so far we've counted 3 admirals who are scared to fight him. I don't see Kizaru running away from Luffy cause he's scared, only to accomplish his mission and yet Luffy has enough attack power to bring down Kaido. It really feels like Shanks is on another level with the way he has been depicted.
Even being a little stronger could be the difference between a battle lasting days, and a battle finished within the day
@@Crisis941 what? Lmao. Ofc Kizaru isn't scared of Luffy. He slapped him around like a flea just 2 years ago. Wtf he gonna be scared of? And even if it was Shanks Kizaru would fight him if he was ordered or had too.
@@JoyBoyTheories difference between Shanks and Kaido. Shanks sneaks his opp. Kaido dares them to beat him. That's all
Idk if you edited this video but you did a fantastic job if you did. Love this video style
What personality did ace have as a kind to become a king and activate conquerers haki? Would you say bloodline does have a strong impact on it or not?
I mean Ace didnt do much in his devlopment to unlock it. Luffy otherwise seeing his crew disappear or "die" infront of him has a much higher impact
It's been already stated in the Manga (by Rayleigh and many other) that conqueror's haki is something you're born with, so it is purely genetic lottery. But people in the Fandom act as if you "earn" coc somehow. Obviously there's some personality trates attached to it, but it's still genetics for the most part.
Most coc users we know of are related to previous coc users by blood.
@@svz1345 Yee thats what I was thinking and remembering too. It was never stated that it’s gonna develop, thorough a persons journey or smth
I actually agree completely. It even jives with the current situation too. The current Yonkou are unquestionably of different levels of strength.
There’s 4 Yonko because Shanks joined late, wasn’t even an upcoming Pirate when the other 3 were starting as Yonko.
WG only just got through barely contending with 3 of them. And Kaido got stopped from going for King by being told he’d get something better if he waited. Which he did.
WG did not allow Big Mom and Kaido. They had no choice but to considering the God Valley mess. WG were just thankful Rocks hated each other after that otherwise they probably would have been f’d
Admirals are like… “o damn the yonko is nearly finished? Bet lemme take em on now 🤪” type of people
Personally, I don't think Luffy is Yonko Level mainly because of what happened to Kidd and Law. Plot made them win but as soon as it wasn't needed they both lost to other Yonko.
I think Luffy would win again due to being the Protagonist.
Also as much as I love Big Mom and like Kaido, I don't like how they had the same "Gimmick" as in having nigh-invincible skin I wish Oda had thought of something different for them.
Agree with the gimmick for Kaido & Big Mom. Made them too similar in that regard.
Other than that, I disagree with Luffy not being "Yonko level." He is. He was splitting the sky with Kaido even in base. His strongest attack is stronger than Kaido's strongest attack...so that's one clear area where he's even above.
Luffy's issue is just his limited stamina currently. It doesn't mean he isn't at that level, just that he can't operate at it for as long as the rest.
I mean you can draw conclusions from Whitebeard at Marineford. He was still the strongest when old and dying. That’s states. So the Admirals would be able to take a Yonko. Taking one Yonko was never the issue, it was taking two or more at once. It’s why Luffy in G5 vs Kizaru is even and Kizaru is obviously not going all out.
Whitebeard wasn't the strongest at the point of marineford, he carried the title from his younger years and never lost it cause no one challenged it, his marineford feats are no where near kaidos feats in wano
@@godusopp2752 Only in speed & durability though. WB's attack power was just as good with better range...and definitely better than anything Big Mom has shown. WB endured a worse injury (losing half his head) than anything we see Kaido take. That's taking into consideration that we don't know if Kaido could have gotten up after Bajrang Gun if he weren't knocked into magma.
That's all besides the fact that WB was only in a 30 chapter arc while Kaido got far more screentime in a 150 chapter one.
I agree with you that without plot, it doesn't seem that WB could outlast the other top tiers. Considering the plot though, Oda wanted him to be the strongest above all, even included in his info box in the manga volume: "The strongest pirate in the world has come to Navy HQ to rescue Ace."
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The only thing that would redeem faith in the admirals, would be for one of them to take down one of the strawhats,blackbeard or cross guild pirates
Main character plot armor prevents luffy from being an aciruate messureing stick
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Considering the fact that the World Government felt the Shichibukai, and now the Seraphim in their place, were necessary to maintain the balance of power between the Marines and the Yonko, there's no way an admiral could be considered a match for a Yonko.
I like the point about will. My theory is the reason Luffys haki is so strong isn’t because he wants to be king of the pirates but rather he always ends up fighting for his friends. That may be why shanks haki is also so strong.
Respect on the Edit fits very well.
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I think everyone is missing something huge. And it's probably because they want a serious fight. But be honest. Doesn't it seem like the fight between Luffy and Kizaru is just a little goofy? Like neither one is taking this seriously? Have you considered why that may be?
You see, men talk with their fists. To me, what Kizaru is saying with his fists is that he really doesn't want to kill Vegapunk. He's saying "please defeat me, so I don't have to kill my friend". But Luffy is saying, "I wanna have some fun, let's fight seriously". And "if you wont fight seriously, neither will I". Kizaru even responds to this verbally, nudging Luffy in the right direction by saying "I'm afraid I've got a job to do, and I cant finish it if we keep playing around". But Luffy doesn't seem to get the message. Kizaru then says "well this is a problem". Lol.
Everything changes when Saturn shows up. Luffy probably assumed Kizaru was leading the attack until Saturn showed up. That's when he realized he needed to take out Kizaru fast so he could recharge his ability. So he finally relented, delivering Kizaru the KO he was looking for.
Well yea that's how one piece goes Luffy right now is just defending his nakama while kizaru just wants to eliminate vegapunk it's that easy if both of them actually took the fight seriously like Luffy vs kaido it would be a different outcome
@@IvyMandiolay-o5c I think if he was actually trying to kill Vegapunk, he would have done it already. I think what Kizaru was really trying to do was get Luffy to knock him out, so he wouldn't have to kill Vegapunk. I mean, he was looking right at Luffy when he got punched, and it didn't even look like he tried to dodge or defend. He just let it happen.
@@derrickmiles5240 well that's also another thing is that Luffy is trying to stop kizaru so kizaru can't really do a clean mission from the get go you get what I'm saying? Yonko is trying to stop you from doing of course it's gonna be hard that's just how one piece works.
@@IvyMandiolay-o5c He missed his shot on the vegatank, and said "oopsie, almost had you there". And you really think he's trying? Keep in mind we know he doesn't want to kill Vegapunk in the first place.
@@derrickmiles5240 yea you right
So where would u powerscale dragon 🤔
joy boy do you think will kobe and smoker become new admirals and who of those will be new fleet admiral
Kobe will take Garp place as the strongest marine
@@Dave_of_Mordor yes he will
Kobe will become hands down the strongest, future fleet admiral too. imo
@@JoyBoyTheories yes he will
Navy is stronger than anyone in the one piece world --- confirmed by Doflamingo.
They not only deal against the 4 Yonkos, they also have the duty of stopping every single pirates in the world + other criminals.
And navy don't have the warlords now.
But, still current Navy is the strongest Navy ever existed in one piece --- confirmed by Jinbe in fishman arc.
We have to agree that every past characters who tried to defeat the Navy and the WG, no matter how strong they were,got completely destroyed. And that is why, Joyboy comes in. And Luffy will do that no one did which is overthrowing the WG. The characters who knows about the true history are waiting for that time.
So,currently ,"Navy Reigns Supreme".
I have Greenbull and Fujitora on Bigmom and current Blackbeard tier (maybe EOS Blackbeard will become top 3 strongest in the history,but current Blackbeard is most likely on Bigmom level).
I have Kizaru on Kaido level (only if Kizaru gives Luffy a tough time).
And I have Aokiji/Shanks/Dragon/Mihawk on prime Garp/Roger/prime Whitebeard level.
Also,I have Akainu above all the current gen (because it's stated that Akainu is the strongest marine in history of one piece, which means stronger than anyone who was/is a marine)
If you think I'm lying about Akainu, then check ---
One piece sound and recording magazine, April 2012, issue 4, page 34.
Oda also said that Akainu can end one piece in less than a year. (Yes,if you check properly,it says "one piece wouldn't last a year"). 25:33 25:33 25:33
Going on your mihawk video you put out not to long ago do you think he’s more on a yonko level while shanks is at perfect? While zoro is just hitting the yonko level 🤔
ok so this has nothing to do with anything relivent at the moment but something i just thought of was when was the last time any of the prisoners from impel down ate or had something to drink i know luffy and the kamabakas had some but what about crocodile mr 3 buggy and all the rest mr 3 especially when we first saw him he was on the brink of starvation then they all went to war
What if the reason big mom wanted the giants so badly was because their lifespan was much longer than humans ?
If Kizaru(same fruit and strength) has Akainu mindset... is Luffy even "stalling" at that point... or trying to survive? IMO Kizaru isnt putting much into this fight. This may change after that white star punch.
Luffy has been the one fighting with a handicap. Targeting a non-combatant is way easier than defending one. All that Kizaru had to do in this fight is go around Luffy and snipe Vegapunk, which he has fail to do. Defeating Luffy headfront would be a even more difficult task.
Luffy has a job to protect vega punk. Kizaru job is to kill vega punk, protect the island (punk records)
exactly kizaru is not really fighting seriously if he did I think he would give Luffy a fight
You know what we haven't gotten much of since Dressrosa that kinda bugs me a little? Usopp's obaervation haki.
greenbull could neg garp wb and roger at once and people still wouldn't admit admirals = yonko
Uh wut Garp and whitebeard and Roger is stronger than greenbull lol
Old beard and prime beard still beats greenbull
Funny thing is if Kuzan and Sakazuki ended up as strong or stronger than Kaido that would still not prove the admirals over yonkos narrative, because of the simple fact that they are no longer admirals.
I'm not sure people would accept this point - it's not really relevant.
@@scottmorrison1561 Oh really? So when Luffy and Blackbeard rised to Yonko they are still not treated as Yonko rank? And when Sakazuki rise to Fleet Admiral he is still just admiral rank, the same rank as Green Bull and Fujitora?
Admirals are at different strengths. Akainu might be the strongest Admiral, but Fleet Admiral isn't directly a step up in power by default (see Garp and Sengoku).
"So when Luffy and Blackbeard rised to Yonko they are still not treated as Yonko rank?" - Not sure what you mean. If you're comparing them becoming Yonko to Sakazuki being promoted and Aokiji leaving the Marines, then I'd disagree with that comparison.
These examples are somewhat besides the point, though - Sakazuki represents Admiral power just as Kizaru and Aokiji do. There's no reason for Aokiji to no longer represent Admiral power either, unless you think he's become massively stronger to the point where he's not comparable to other Admirals.
In short, I think you're over-complicating things. The original 3 Admirals represent Admiral tier; within that you can also acknowledge that they may have got stronger post-timeskip.
You could, however also reassess these tiers as they change, ie: with Green Bull and Fuji added/Big Mom and Kaido possibly no longer being Yonko. So I do get your point here, but the fact the the three OG Admirals (or at least Kizaru and Akainu) are still around to scale, we cam still use those characters to gauge Admiral strength.@@disasteromega
@@scottmorrison1561 A tier can not change in strength, a person can rise above his previous tier, otherwise this whole thing is pointless, why name a tier based on a job title at all if it shifts?
@@scottmorrison1561 Think of it this way, if Koby became an admiral at the end of the series, and he is the equal of Luffy who is the pirate king in power, does that mean admiral tier is now pirate king level?
I mean if it was head on (both focusing on each other and not on vegapunk) that battle might’ve turned out differently (not picking sides ofc)
10:10 had me weak. Titles in One Piece are given to people, by OTHER people lol. For people to really think Kaido was the Strongest/ or Most Powerful 'Creature' in the world compared to unknown powers of stuff like the Gorosei is base propaganda that the world Gov. likely prefer so that they can remain in the shadows.
All I gotta say is that if kaido protected himself with haki, ain’t nobody but shanks even scratching him. He doesn’t really need to cause his body is so durable…. But imagine if he did… he would have taken absolutely 0 damage.
I think the Akainu/WB matchup shows better than anything the gap between yonkou and admiral. Akainu might have blown a chunk of WB's face off, but we all know WB was severly weakened. Marco even commented on as much after Squardo stabbed him. Normally, WB would have easily avoided such an attack, even at close range. Would Akainu have been able to land a SINGLE blow on prime WB? Considering what happened to him right after he landed those serious blows and the fact that WB could have finished him off had the terrain not collapsed, I really doubt it.
As for Luffy, I'm not so sure Luffy would win against a fair 1v1 against Kaido, not even now. But again, judging by Akainu/WB, I don't think the admirals are as strong. Luffy being able to at least fend off Kizaru makes total sense to me. In this last chapter, it seems like Kizaru shot a light beam and hit Luffy, spinning him around. If that's the case, Luffy might have punched him in the head at near light speed (or at least, really, REALLY fast). Why wouldn't that OHKO someone, even an admiral?
A prime wb will beat the rest of the yonko too, theres no comparison there. He’s a pirate king level. Kaido and bm are never a pirate king level. You can exclude shanks because we don’t know alot of his power.
@@Kilo1992 I don't think Kaido right now is that far off from prime WB. Maybe slightly below, but not a guaranteed loss
I agree, it baffles me how one can forget that Kaido was literally carrying Onigashima even in the last fight.
That makes no sense. Firstly, that 2nd fight of Akainu & WB is just 1 of the 4 fights he had with the Admirals.
Why didn't you use the fight with Kizaru where he dodges a slash from WB and shoots him in the torso? Or the 1st round with Akainu? Where he stopped a swing from WB with 1 foot and his hands in his pockets? In that case, you're just cherrypicking what you want.
WB only hit Akainu in the 2nd round because he attacked him from behind when he was chasing Luffy, so that criteria doesn't work...unless you're actually suggesting that Akainu is stronger because he would have done far worse to WB with a hit to the head from behind.
That 1 fight doesn't suggest any imagined gap at all...especially since form what we've seen, the likes of Big Mom would have fared worse than Akainu in that 2nd scenario.
@@MetakJesu07 I can point to any of those fights if you want. You're still talking about a guy that is old, on life support usually, stabbed clear through the chest before anything began, stabbed and shot multiple times by fodder marines, and suffering from heart spasms or something mid-fight. Akainu's first major attack was the first bit of damage I remember WB actually sustaining from the admirals, so if you want to use "he was attacked from behind" as an excuse for WB, then "he was attacked while having a heart attack" is the excuse for Akainu.
The fact that this dude is still rampaging at all is a testament to how strong he is. Akainu was at complete health. Being attacked from behind shouldn't be an excuse (but we all know Oda uses observation at his will...).
There's a reason Oda had to nerf WB by using Squardo, giving Akainu a free (and devastating) shot. If WB went into this with no nerf, I think it would have taken all three admirals to keep him busy. And you say there's no gap. That's what doesn't make sense.
Or the freedom will break akainu's will, because he realizes him being free technically makes him a pirate😂
Imo, the old Yonko kinda HAVE to be stronger than the admirals because otherwise their very existence becomes a plot hole that requires further explanation
There are 4 Emperor's and 3 Admirals with a Fleet Admiral who should be stronger than the admirals below them thus stronger than any Yonko
So why would the WG allow the Yonko to exist if they could easily deal with them?
And why did they worry so much about Big Mom and Kaido teaming up?
Again my opinion the only way that makes sense is if at least 2 Admirals are MANDATORY to fight a single of the old Yonko, that's why the powers of the world are balanced, the Marines can't do anything about the Yonko because it'd take too much manpower and they'd only be able to fight 2 at once at max leaving the other Yonko to do whatever they want to the world unopposed, and the Yonko can't just wipe out the Marines because none of them are strong enough to take on multiple Admirals at once
So why would the wg eliminate emperors? The wg used emperors to prevent other pirates from becoming too strong. If you think the wg wants the emperor gone but can’t beat them, then why would the wg replace wb, kaido and bm when they fall? Exactly for them to continue the balance. Now for the admirals vs emperor, it really all depends on who’s fighting who. I can see kaido, shanks luffy and bb high/ex dif all admirals excluding akainu but no way in hell I can see bm beating the og admirals. Maybe gb and fujitora.
The government doesn't appoint yonko. It's a title they get from the people. Think of big news Morgans, he declared Luffy the fifth emperor a while ago. Or Buggy being a yonko due to perception alone. Also the yonko cause direct problems for the world government like kaido being an obstacle to taking wano. Not to mention the balance doesn't help the WG. They are the main power but they needed the warlords to maintain that, until they got the pacifista and seraphim. Why would they keep a balance that requires them to keep criminals employed while toting a philosophy like absolute justice?
@@Kilo1992 exactly..... they don't want to defeat the emperor's..... kizaru is definitely stronger than kaido, luffy is already at his limits while kizaru is still unharmed.
That scenario doesn't change anything though. You will always need 2 Admirals to guarantee a win against a Yonko even if the Admirals were stronger than the Yonko. The same applies if they were exactly equal or weaker too.
The only way it would make any difference is if an Admiral were so much stronger than a Yonko that there were absolutely no chance they'd lose to one....or so much weaker than a Yonko by up to half their strength. Those options are just silly.
The whole "why don't they wipe out the yonko" argument is pointless otherwise, and that's besides the WG wanting to maintain balance and such.
If Akainu had lost the duel I think he would've become a bounty hunter.
Luffy lacks of counqueror's haki to be used in defense, in Kaido War Luffy learn Conqueror's haki can be coated with offense. Maybe when he meet shanks thats the time luffy can emulate shanks defensive haki.
who would win, Admirals 5 elder stars vice captains including garp vs the 4 core yonko and their crew
A wise man said the greatest sacrafise require the greates of will i am feeling of that toward kizaru admirals are the only people that can takedown anyone in there way fruend or foe to achieve their goal despite how much they care amd conection to that person none of the pirate have the heart to persue that and they fact they have stayed as strong as they are speaks of something itself.
does it not feel like kaido would help luffy in some way if he is not dead
if luffy and kaido fight full power… it’s CLEARLY kaido winning that.. that shit just blew me
Remember, when almost everyone stated that Roger could never defeat big mom?
this didn't happen
I believe Shanks is the modern day roger and mihawk is his equal. Which means both characters are on the same tier as Roger and WB. Than there’s dragon who seems like he will face off against Imu the strongest in the verse (maybe to lose). If the top 5 strongest old gen are xebec, Wb, Roger, Garp & Oden. The new gen top 5 are Shanks Mihawk Dragon Akinu & BB and you know the new gen will surpass the old gen. The old gen is used as a mile stone for the current gen to surpass. Than there’s luffy our boy
I don't think, and I really hope, that Logia fruits don't have an awakening, and that they are different somehow. That would explain why Vegapunk couldn't replicate them.
well shanks and whitebeard both have info that big mom and kaido don't have. So them going after the one piece has nothing to do with strength.
Nice video as usual.
Off Topic what's your opinion on Vivi getting Kuma's Devil Fruit and do you think she needs a power up such as a devil fruit or possibly ancient weapon (unlikely) as she reunites with the Crew? As for why Kuma's fruit, its just a theory Lili Nefertari used the fruit in the past to move the poneglyphs. Vivi's finally back in the story and the current events for Kuma could be dire as well as the old theory of the Nikyu Nikyu being 2-9 and Oda with his numbers.
was mentioned to me by Randy Troy, I could see it!
"Power scalers are going crazy" when aren't them?
Badass editing
After that video i have a question. If this you are saying is going to be true, is there a possibility that in final war Akainus mind snaps and try to kill pirates and the world government at the same time being the ultimate joker of the final war numbers/players for each side before someone kill him?
Man you got that death note ost playing so quietly in the background
facts
Anyone knows the name of the background song that was used?
These are the spoilers you will come back to :-
Buggy is a celestial Dragon having ties to the holy knights.
There is a nothing called a 'Logia' type devil fruit. Every Logia fruit is a Mythical Zoan (For references ,check Enel's final transformation before getting knocked by luffy,you will know what I mean)
If Luffy has a strong will, then does this mean that Kizaru has a strong won't?
I mean, Akainu didn't beat Whitebeard, he plunged his insides twice and blew off half his face for sure but Whitebeard kept coming at him and messed up his insides in the final blow, he's more lucky he slipped into a crevice to recover.
Yonko are not equal, Whitebeard doesn't get called the 'World's Strongest Man' or 'The Man Closest to the One Piece' with them being all equals. Luffy is Yonko tier, but he's barely Yonko tier, he's probably the same tier as Blackbeard was at Marineford where he was hitting a stalemate with Sengoku, Blackbeard took 2 years to grow even more in power and influence, and influence is a key part of being a Yonko; territory, army, reputation, it's what divides an Emperor from a Warlord, otherwise I feel like Mihawk would've counted as an Emperor long ago since he's similarly built different.
Thus with Admirals, I don't see them as Yonko tier, but they can pose a threat to Yonko tier. Kizaru while fighting Luffy was also dragging out Gear Fifth and trying to avoid him to get to Vegapunk, Akainu and Aokiji meanwhile have proven capable of handling Yonko commander level quite easily (Akainu beat Aokiji but Aokiji could instafreeze half of Blackbeard's crew and beat Jozu), so they could still challenge Luffy, but I don't see them challenging Blackbeard or Shanks and winning. It can act on a person by person basis too; Kizaru seemed very against fighting Beckman and needed Sea Prism to really best Marco after all.
The proper power scale question should be with Sabo, who can destroy a Vice Admiral, and a Ten Titanic Captain, fight Fujitora, and escape the Gorosei, what vitamins has he been eating?
Akainu did beat him in their 1st fight. That's when WB's illness started acting up and Akainu put a hole in his torso. If he went for the head or even just did a follow up attack, WB would be dead there and then.
In the 2nd fight, WB attacked him from behind with a quake to the head, then Akainu retaliates by melting off nearly half his head. WB then hits him with the quake that splits the island and Akainu falls into the chasm. He then burrows his way underground to cut off Jimbe who was running away with Luffy.
I don't see how that somehow separates the Admirals from a "Yonko tier"...especially since considering what we've seen, Big Mom would be even worse off in Akainu's shoes.
Kizaru also handled Luffy in Gear 4 better than Kaido did. Luffy needed Gear 5 to have a chance against both of them. It's not over yet, but even as of now Kizaru has matched 1 round of Gear 5th and pushed Luffy to his limit.
That just shows how all these top tiers are around a similar level.
@@MetakJesu07 doesn't count as a win since he didn't get KO'd or die, Akainu then disappeared from the fight rather than finishing him off, as grunts tried to finish the job and ended up dangling off his body; also ifs and buts are kinda moot, for instance if Whitebeard used ACOC Akainu would be a dead puddle on the floor, and Akainu was not above asterisks given how he also manipulated Squard to stab Whitebeard to begin with.
You're also validating my point of 'person by person basis'
@@dannybob42 "ifs and buts" is the entire premise of comparing Admirals & Yonko in the first place. That's like saying that the Admirals are stronger than the Yonko because Kizaru damaged WB in their fight while WB couldn't touch him.
That's just exposing a bias and implies that you don't care about the logic.
And no, even the likes of Zoro with several broken bones could take an ACoC attack from Kaido...even Kinemon took one directly to the head and was still conscious...yet you somehow thought such a thing would kill Akainu? That's just funny.
Firstly, ACoC wasn't even a thing at the time, neither was it even visualized. So speculation about it is moot.
Secondly, it's still pointless because it was an attack from behind. If Akainu were the one attacking WB from behind, he would also kill him with such a hit.
Besides that, manipulating Squardo was Sengoku's plan first of all. Secondly, why would you expect the Navy to not try and reduce their casualties? Did you think it was some sort of game?
And yes, I already said that it's always going to be a person by person basis when it comes down to it. I was just pointing out the issues with the rest of your statements.
@@MetakJesu07 If half of Akainu's body is being pressed into a flattened mass against the floor with no Haki then any amount of Haki is gonna crush his skull, brain, and other vital bones and organs, which is very much dead - so yeah the logic tracks.
But again you prove my point with Ifs and Buts; WB didn't use Haki or ACOC, and Akainu didn't get a full blow at the face - except that time when he did in a more pocket sand manner - or was able to attack WB from behind (if he could since Mantra/Observation Haki has already been established). You also can't say Akainu won the first encounter given that WB got up from his best hits in both encounters and continued to fight, concrete fact is that Whitebeard didn't lose against Akainu since he wasn't KO'd or dead from them, your implication that he did is exposing Akainu bias on your part.
Akainu still manipulated Squard though, because Sengoku planned it doesn't mean he didn't enact it. Why would you expect Whitebeard to be formal about attacking Akainu after murdering Ace? Was he supposed to just let him turn around so he had time to block or attack the face like you are saying? Do you think it was some sort of game?
@@dannybob42 Ah...you're an anime only watcher. That explains that. The anime just added a bunch of stuff and took out some stuff for that fight.
In the manga, it was just a hit to the head, not the weird flattening effect.
Also, WB was clearly using haki or he wouldn't be able to damage Akainu in the first place. Akainu is a top tier, so his endurance is just monstrous as well. Such an attack obviously wouldn't kill him anymore than it could kill Luffy, lol.
Kind of weird you knew about the anime changing Akainu melting WB's head to just his mustache, but forgot that the weird flattening thing was also a change...
Again, seems like you're doing a lot of cherrypicking.
And again, no. WB was using haki. Even his men mentioning it when he's fighting Aokiji, for example. He's not an idiot, you can't harm logias without it.
Also, when did Akainu attack WB from behind? Are you misremembering things?
Such a thing never happened...it was WB that attacked him from behind.
Akainu wasn't KO'd or dead from WB's hits in the 2nd fight either...so by your very own definition, Akainu didn't lose. So why the double standards?
The point is that if Akainu did a follow up in that 1st fight and just hit WB in the head he would be dead. WB had no way to stop that as we see all the fodder hitting him right after. The plot is still the plot, so that obviously didn't happen though.
And...um...when did I say that WB should have given Akainu a warning, lol? I was just pointing out the context of that 2nd fight and how it makes no sense to try and use that to suggest there's some separate "Yonko tier."
Akynu clearly lost against Whitebeard. Sure he got a direct hit against an injured Whitebeard that took off part of his right side skin. But Akynu spent the rest of the fight getting thrown around and manhandled by Whitebeard. Whitebeard then went on to fight someone else. It was clearly shown that old sick and Crippled Whitebeard was far above Akynu.
Good takes all around, I’m begging the community to start saying Ryokugyu, it bothers me so much💀
ive tried saying his name in the past, but I literally can't 😭
I think kuzan will become part of luffy crew since he met him first
Pts was full of inconsistencies, things happen that made no since and yeah admirals can definitely dance the top dogs
The admirals cannot beat a yonko that's like saying katakuri beats kaido or big mom it doesn't even make sense narratively speaking
@@IvyMandiolay-o5c Did you just compare an Admiral to the likes of Katakuri? That's what doesn't make any sense.
Of course the Admirals and Yonko can beat each other...that's why they are the top tiers and opponents who determine the level of the Pirate King. Even the main character himself treats them interchangeably.
That's the entire point of them serving as deterrents to one another.
@@IvyMandiolay-o5c thus doesn't even makes sense yonk commanders are folder to admirals lol
Did kizaru take luffy serious he was a man on the missin
Luffy never beat Kaido. They're not 'excuses', they're just facts. The alliance beat Kaido, who had to be nerfed by Oda because he was too strong. Ko'ing Luffy several times, levitating the island, and pretty much fighting someone the entire time during the raid, always several people at once. Even to finish Kaido off, Oda had to literally make him stand there and refuse to dodge Luffy's strongest attack, like Cell taking the final flash. To say 'if they dueled again Luffy would win' is complete nonsense. We saw Luffy's level right now in a 1 v 1 fight, and he basically has a draw with Kizaru. By that logic Kizaru can take Kaido, and that's clearly not the case. He couldn't take one flush hit from Luffy, Kaido was eating them through his head and bouncing Luffy around like a pinball.