You will never see Mihawk the same after this
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- You will never see Mihawk the same after this
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For the sake of time I cut the portion where I talk about Zoro's dream being related to Kuina. I know that it matters because of that!
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appreciate you man 😭@@yflrj
Keep up the great content, I work during the night so your timing was PERFECT lol also i back this theory fully
8:36 It is important to set up the premises of the video but in the past when I have commented video starts at X it is because I have felt the premises were too obvious. The premises you have stated were kinda yeah obvious but not everyone can connect these ones given Zoro fans are usually one dimensional durr me like strong guy people. The rest of the video is awesome!
My Question is Why there is No Crewmate of Roger when He get Executed??
That Buggy Speech might be my all time favorite moment in the series, I absolutely love Buggy as a character and seeing him gain confidence in himself and make the claim for the grand prize shook me to my core. I want to be like that and have the bravery to defy the obstacles ahead of me and pursue my own dreams
He suddenly became my favorite non-strawhat in the entire series, out of nowhere. But only because of what we knew of him before that point, does that chapter gain value
Same here. If I were to add onto this that scene gives me inspiration when you also consider the fact the Buggy is extremely outclassed.Which personally I found pretty dang relatable 😅
That speech was so POWERFUL, that I actually got goosebumps reading this!
Buggy is a good leader
Dude that speech was amazing. Buggy is truly going to be one of the main contenders for the One Piece. And it's poetic, if this theory is true, that Buggy would lead Mihawk to achieve his dreams better than Shanks did, as Shanks and Buggy are KINDA brothers.
Been loving the extra layers we've gotten too, painting Shanks in a darker shade. I mean yea, buggy has his own issues, but it's really looking like Shanks is the one that put him on his villain ark and not just for petty reasons.
While I find the whole theory interesting, the idea of Mihawk accomplishing his dream at a heavy cost more interesting.
Mihawk dueled his captain, won the title of strongest swordman but lost his place in the crew at the same time. This condemned him to sail the sea alone, since he won't follow a captain weaker than him, but also think he don't have what it take to be a captain. This also work with his comment of Luffy and Zorro making a good team, because the same issue doesn't exist between them. Luffy's dream is even bigger than Zorro's one, making him worth following, unlike Shanks who seem to have given up his dream at Logetown.
I thought Shanks gave up on his dream until someone told me that he decided to find the one piece after Luffy awaken his df. Roger must've told him about it before he got executed. It could be the reason why he stole the df in the first place, and it was meant for him to eat, but luffy ate it instead and he had to wait
@@Dave_of_Mordorshanks is referring to luffy finding the one piece for sure. I think people mistake shanks for being evil or something because of this but in reality he’s just saying the one piece can be claimed now that luffy’s df is awakened.
this is cool as well!
@@Dave_of_Mordor considering the whole "laugh tale" and "joyboy" lore, and how everyone who witnessed the One Piece started laughing, it's possible that Joyboy plays a crucial role relating to the One Piece. Maybe Shanks was waiting for that to become possible (Joyboy awakening) before resuming his pursuit of the One Piece.
This is very good theory
I think "nothing happened" really changed Zoro and made hin truly loyal to Luffy as he now knows how much Luffy suffers when he fights for his friends.
Knowing the pain didn't make him truly loyal! He was ready to throw his dream away for luffy before he even felt it
Are you saying that zoro changed his dream?
I’ve never thought of this. What an interesting concept. He had to suffer for his captain, but also realized just how much his captain was willing to suffer. Luffy would’ve never asked Zoro to suffer for him. He realized that as well. Terrific writing. So original and incredibly profound. The way Zoro handled the incident says it all. He never took credit. That is a secret he and Sanji share as well. That event holds so much significance the more you think about it.
@Dave_of_Mordor no but he realized Luffy is willing to put his life and therefore his dream on the line to protect those he cares about and Zoro probably realized Luffy is way more mature for lack of a better word than he previously precived him, like when he was mad at him for "just playing pirate"
It def solidified to 200% 😮💨
Mihawk was shanks original clout, before he fought Mihawk no one knew who he was hardly. Remember before shanks became a yonko he was a nobody like buggy. Buggy sailed with Roger but wasn’t known until Marine Ford. Mihawk is 4 years older than shanks they have the same birthday. Mihawk was the A side. The databooks say Mihawk was already famous BEFORE the Great pirate era, which means he was famous before Roger died. Ppl try to spin it like Mihawk got clout from shanks but it’s the complete opposite.
I like this theory. I get bored to death of these powerscalers controling the Mihawk vs Shanks narrative. I don't care who is stronger, I want to know what went on between them.
Just in the latest episode when Luffy defeated Kaido people in the comments thought it was underwhelming. The problem is they're only looking at the fight itself and not the story behind the fight. The entire story of Luffy vs Kaido, especially now in hindsight as a manga reader was one of the best in the series.
Trueeeee I really like the whole dynamic of “joyboy will be the one to defeat me” i still think that kaido is very understood. He just wanted someone to beat his ass and no one could. Mabye shanks did and then told him “I’m not joyboy” who knows
I mean the fight was underwhelming. Oda is even on record saying that if he ended the fight in rhe exact way he did would be underwhelming.
Nor was there really a story to the fight. Luffy loses until quite litterally magically winning for reasons we don’t even know yet
@@mrbubbles6468if i remember correcrly Oda said something about not using a big punch to end Kaido 😂 thats exactly what happened
@@mrbubbles6468 how is the fight underwhelming it was literally one of the best fights so far especially the g5 and the first rooftop portion also nothing magical about it when luffy got defeated lik 5 times and barely beating a weakned kaido💀
@@mbsissef8815 if it's not punch then it's a kick it's about how it's done like in no way that was a normal punch like he said with it being island sized and full of 'ryou haki' that's what helpd beat kaido
My man said 5:00 : Shanks is equal to Mihawk as swordsman and because Shanks has a stronger Haki “he is the strongest swordsman” .. When Oda literally said that Mihawk is the strongest swordsman!!! I hate Shanks’s fans who alter everything for their narrative to fit! Why can’t you accept that Mihawk is stronger? We literally never seen Mihawk uses his Haki so you have no idea that Shanks has a stronger Haki!! If we’re talking about Conqueror coating, Zoro literally used it and he still considers Mihawk stronger than him which only mean that Mihawk also has Conqueror coating!
Mihawk has a black blade that bitch IS conq coatED regardless I'm pretty sure shanks is still a comparable FIGHTER to mihawk, but he lost his sword arm so his skill in specifically swordsmanSHIP isn't the same
The real title of this video is "Shanks is stronger than Mihawk..." And I'm gonna use bunch of head canon and out of context panels and dialogue to prove it...
Zoro not being loyal is a crazy take. He’s the only one from the original 4 that hasn’t betrayed and left luffy for whatever reason
thats just bcs he doesnt have an existential problem like those sanji,nami and ussop.
where does it say he wont in the future?
Where do it says that Zoro won't take Luffy head in the future ? Joke aside judge Zoro with what has happened and not what will... Zoro is the only one that hasn't left and more he is the only one to discard his dreams for the sake of his captain (In front of his goal nonetheless). I know that Joyboy has this fantasy of Zoro leaving but it was never meant to be.
@@RogBearD we’re not talking about “what ifs” we’re talking about what happened. But if we’re talking about “what ifs” right now in the story the likelihood of that happening is slim imo zoro more than ever is all in with his captain.
He’s also the only one who doesn’t have family or a lover outside the crew in the og 4 and if anything sanji was trying to save the crew
Saying that advanced conquerors alone makes Shanks "stronger" than Mihawk either way or makes it not an even fight makes little sense. Because Zoro has adv conquerors and will keep getting stronger with it. Him using it doesn't makes him less of a swordsman. If Shanks doesn't uses adv conquerors against Mihawk because is "unfair" then Zoro can't use it either i guess... I don't know if my point is understood... It's like saying that now that Zoro has adv. Conquerors he doesn't need his swords to win. He just uses them to be a sworsdman. That's not the right thinking.
Either way I do hope Mihawk to have adv conquerors too because if he fights Zoro I would like for both of them to have the same tools.
What I mean is you can't leave haki out of what it means to be the best swordsman now. It's in fact a key factor as to every top fighter in the story.
zoro only got CoC in the first place because of his popularity and fan favouritism, see how a 1000 chapter later suddenly he gets it, for luffy it was hinted quite early in the story that he has CoC. Zoro was never a true conqueror
@@RogBearDbro why would Zoro get conquerors because of popularity.. do you think oda will change the plot to please the audience. I don't think so.. And Zoro also has one of the strongest will power, a kingly ambition so him being a conqueror totally makes sense
@@RogBearDeither this is bait or your extremely delusional expected from a shankstard 😭😭
Well.... you can say that shanks having Acoc makes him stronger. Using Zoro as an example isn't right, as he is not very close yet to the power that shanks, and likely mihawk have. However at that level, and if they are mostly equal in terms of armament haki and observation, even if mihawk is superior with the blade, Acoc is a HUGE buff to shanks' attacks, and if mihawk can't block with Acoc, it would be incredibly hard to not take damage
Ppl not expecting mihawk to have acoc is so funny.
Zoro got it, most other important swordsmen got it, and mihawk has a black blade a haki feat only done by ryuma before, its like expecting ryuma to not have acoc😂
I want to see Buggy's speech animated and voiced soon, and I hope the anime does it justice because Oda gave Buggy a really good speech there.
Buggy va always nails
fitting king of the pirates
Watch him find the one piece first
@@ybone8709 in a story with so much joy and comedy, that would actually be hilarious, though it would be that buggy has no idea that he DID or no idea what to do with it.
‘It’s abundantly clear’
No, no it’s not. We haven’t seen Mihawk do anything.
And the story has always painted him as stronger than Shanks.
We've seen the difference between Shanks and Mihawks presence in Marineford. That alone is enough for me, notwithstanding everything else I could mention.
Mihawk has his title, and that all that perspective has. So based on current portrayal, it is abundantly clear
@@JoyBoyTheories Tell me one thing...
According to shanks defeated kaido very easily...
And we know that kaido knows and acknowledges shanks strength that's why he is in his top 5...
Then why while fighting luffy and many times he said and believed himself to be the strongest...
And said whoever defeats me is joyboy...
So according to ur logic Shanks is Joyboy
@@thisisme2014 dont make stupid little thinks seem big, you know its not that hard to understand rather say you're pressed and scared for mihawk being inferior to Shanks
They call him the strongest creature, and people say things about him. Doesn't make them true. It was also said he can't be killed@@thisisme2014
@@JoyBoyTheoriesShanks is stated in Mihawks vivre card to be a swordmaster and Mihawk is the Worlds Strongest Swordsman….the Worlds STRONGEST Swordsman. Given this information how can you justify Shanks>Mihawk?
It's not possible for Shanks to have bodied Kaidou. He thought himself as invulnerable till the day Luffy arrived on Onigashima. If Shanks had defeated him, that wouldn't be so and he would probably chase Shanks around so they can settle it. I don't think they got into anything more than a scuffle, before settling on some agreement.
I think it's more they never actually fought. Shanks probably did a kings haki clash with Kaidou similar to what he did with White beard. There isn't incentive for Kaidou and Shanks to fight. The original 4 emperor's just operated in their own territories and never actually clashed over their territories. Shanks didn't care about Wano so they didn't need to fight. Luffy walked straight into Kaidous layer and Big Mom's lairs which ended up with him fighting both at some point. If Shanks fought Kaidous I can't see him leave with anything less with a draw based on the feats he already has. Bro ended a whole war with his presence. That being said I still think the most powerful guy in this series is between Garp and Rayleigh. Them old guys are crazy strong
Shanks told Kaidou that Luffy is Joyboy but not ready yet. So Kaidou left because he wanted to meet Joyboy at his peak years later.
Shanks brought that west blue sake wit the healing properties he heard about Oden scar
@@ybone8709lol so shanks didnt care about wano and all the suffering, good guy shanks
And yes the strongest characters are garp and rayeligh who are always saying they got weaker
Bruh.
Gotta think about where they could have met as well. Location plays a big fight in fights. Maybe shanks intercepted kaido in the middle of the ocean. A place where shanks and his crew have a massive advantage over kaido and his crew of mostly devil fruit user. Unless they can fly which most of them can't, they lose the second their ship is destroyed and they're forced to try combat the red hair pirates in the water where they stand no chance. Kaido probably looked at the situation decided it wasn't worth the risk and turned around.
I think there might be another thematic connection between cross guild which we're not considering; Shanks. Buggy is Shanks' brother and former crewmate. Bare minimum, Shanks and Mihawk are former rivals and currently friendly enough to drink together. And if you're correct with your theory, Mihawk is a former crewmate. Why then would Croc be the odd man out here and not have some major connection to Shanks?
If you go back and reread impel down, (ch 545.) Croc and Buggy interact for the first time in the manga. Buggy bumps into Croc running away from the demon guards. Buggy recognizes Croc immediately. Although this is possibly just because he’s a warlord, Buggy doesn’t know who Jinbei is in 549 so Buggy is shown not to just know all the warlords by reputation.
In ch 546. when escaping from impel down on the wooden door to get to the marine battleship, Croc takes Mr. 1 and Buggy with him. Jinbei is carrying the door from the water, so he doesn’t necessarily have a say in who to take. Croc is the defacto decision maker here, and he naturally brings Mr. 1, his right hand man, but he also takes Buggy. They possibly could have carried more random escapees from level 1 and 2, but Buggy is the one person allowed on the door. If Croc doesn’t know about buggy, then there’s absolutely no reason to take him, since he also wouldn’t know he’s a fruit user at this point. Mr. 1 even comments on buggy being on the door as being weird later in the chapter while Croc just stands in the background brooding (as per usual.) Did Croc maybe want to give Buggy a better chance at escaping because of a fondness from a shared history?
Also in 549. Croc calls out buggy for not realizing they’re going to marineford by telling him “Quit it. It’s your fault for being stupid and slow.” While Crocodile is fairly comfortable with expressing others' inferiority, this seems a tad more familiar than we usually get from Croc. Even more importantly, when Buggy is revealed as Shanks “brother” and a member of the Roger pirates, Crocodile is the only person in the reaction panels to not react to this information at all, implying potentially that he already knew this.
And finally, if you go to chapter 862, the cover story has Buggy and Shanks playing hanafuda with an anthropomorphic pirate animal. What kind of animal is this pirate? A crocodile (or alligator.) Could this be forshadowing the idea that Croc traveled with the roger pirates in his youth?
TL;DR: All three of the co-captains of Cross Guild are former crewmates of Shanks.
I would not be opposed!
Theorie theorie no mi😂
Also maybe that is also the reason why Crocodile gave him money but also I wonder what happened for him to hate Buggy and if this theory is true then he couldn't be a woman in the past unless he was changed before meeting them
But the assumption that Shanks is stronger is completly invalid once you know that Mihawk is looking for someone stronger than Shanks lol
We taking mihawk's vauge word to whitebeard which lost in translation... but we are ignoring when mihawk said"I don't challenge One-arm hasbeen " to shanks... Hypocrisy in this video is insane
Hidden Island choosing Shanks stronger than Mihawk already tells you how dumb this video is.
@@yellowbeez93the real title of the video is "Shanks is stronger than Mihawk..." and I'm gonna use bunch of headcanon and out of context panels and dialogues to prove it..
It could be that Shanks wanted him as a crew member, which Mihawk himself didn’t want to, but Shanks was persistent and a bet was placed such that they would duel and the one who manages to defeat the other will have his way, that is to say if Shanks defeated Mihawk, Mihawk will have to join his crew
I see Zoro, I click even if I’m watching something else
I hate Zoro so much
@@frenchynoobSame.
These two 👆🏻hate a fictional character lmaoo
Jobless behaviour right there
@@socioexecutor1800yes you need to be unemployed to have an opinion
@@Alkeqshut up hater 😂
Man basically thinks shanks can beat mihawk without his sword
I personally think Mihawk is stronger and is supported by Zoro chasing after him and not Shanks. Mihawks vivre card even goes on to say hes waiting for someone stronger than Shanks. Why want someone stronger if you couldn't beat someone weaker? Perhaps Mihawk is stronger than he was back then? Perhaps those duels with Shanks push him to a higher level, but Shanks can no longer push him.
Whaaaat?! You have made several blasphemous statements here, sir Joyboy.😮 Biggest one Mihawk would not make a good captain 😮 you Whaaaaat???? Mihawk could sleep all day & night and still would be a better captain than 70% of the series, low balling! 😅
Black blade no black blade. WSS title no WSS title. If shanks really grew then Mihawk has no business holding that title or telling zoro he’ll wait for him at the top. Mihawk has pride in his title we’ve seen that, he wouldn’t hold it if he didn’t deserve it.
Apparently, that's not true. I guess Zoro is the only SH who has been chasing the wind all this time.
pov: when I try to put things together forcefully
@@RogBearD that's not how POVs work. Then again, your likely intended meaning was wrong anyways so that fits.
shanks is categorically a swordsman, to the point that we've never seen him attack without a sword. Also, in all databooks, vivre cards, author statements etc that include swordsmen, shanks is listed there. The hakiman narrative needs to die, not only is mihawk also a master of haki, he actually has better arnament haki by feats (based on him creating a black blade)
I can't wait for mihawk to show off finally, and silence all these cope clowns lol
Technically it's not confirmed that he blacked yoru iirc but who knows he's never done Jack shit
Bro shanks is a SWORDSMAN… every single top tier uses HAKI… it if your were talkin about haki Mihawk is 1/2 people we know with a black blade and 9/10 it involves HAKI and probably a relationship with a the sword 🤦♂️
If I’m not mistaken Mihawk was the first person who spoke on Luffys power to Unite n bring ppl together at Marineford & how valuable that power is on the seas.. what a not so strange thing for Oda to have Mihawk acknowledge at that time. It was almost like a small tell into his character
its nothing like that... mihawk's epithet was suppose to be "clayorvoilent" ... so oda used mihawk as a tool to showcase luffy's true power... Same way oda used mihawk when mihawk comment on whitebeard... he was the first one to notice the decile in health of whitebeard... shame that it lost in translation
@@thisisme2014 think your slightly missing the point of what I’m saying. I’m speaking more towards what are Mihawks values.. oda didn’t use Mihawk to showcase luffys power & we knew about whiteboards health way before marineford we didn’t need Mihawk for that. Again I was just pointing out that Mihawk noticed luffys ability to rally people together on the Seas. Was that due to his epithet ? maybe, maybe not. Im just wondering if that acknowledgment tell us alil bit about the Mihawk we’re getting in these lastest chapters.
Fun little theory, but I dont know if it works with the fact it was stated Mihawk and Shanks had multiple duels, not just one. So this wasn't just one epic duel that went down between them. They were probably chasing each other around looking for a fight whenever one was near bye. Mihawk was probably just depressed he lost his dueling partner after Shanks lost his arm. As to why chase after Shanks for duels and the title of greatest, well probably because he is the apprentice of the previous best, being Roger and Rayleigh.
I think mihawk totally could’ve been on shanks crew, but I think people misinterpret Mihawk talking about Whitebeard WILDLY. He isn’t talking about strength as physical, he was talking about the strength to bring people towards you which was the entire theme of the arc.
Not to mention, all Mihawk thinks about in said arc.
Yeah that was a big miss on Joyboy’s part. A lot of people completely misunderstood Mihawk’s character arc in Marienford, didn’t think he would too.
TRUTH be told. Mihawk had a name for himself BEFORE the great pirate era. Shanks started his own crew in the great pirate era.
So who was the contender? Obviously Shanks.
And If the duel was undecided that says a lot about Shanks who was on HIS come up.
Nah, I need Mihawk to sware loyalty to Buggy. Buggy and Mihawk need to to tell Shanks how betrayed they felt when Shanks gave up/delayed his dream to take the One Piece. Shanks destroys the Cross Guild by taking Buggy and Mihawk or maybe also Crocodile through Davy Back Fight, essentially absorbing it to the Redhead Pirates. And also fullfiling his promise to Buggy to enter Laugh Tale together.
One thing to consider is that mihawk was famous before the great pirate era started(he also had yoru at that time), and shanks was the one who gained reputation for dueling with mihawk.
While I’m aboard on the theory that mihawk’s dream will be rekindled by buggy, him being shank’s crewmate, I have doubts of that happening.
Shanks was also somewhat famous already as well as a member of the Roger pirates, he was also trained by Roger and silvers. So I think they both were already known pirates before the pirate era.
@@DeAndre_Moffett but still like buggy his connection with roger might not be that known, also he’s younger than mihawk as well, about 4 years i think. Shanks looks more like a kid than mihawk when the pirate era started.
@@absolutezero2317 he was around 14-15 when it started
Zoro was also more famous than Luffy when they met, and he still joined his crew. Almost all of the strawhats are older than Luffy, and had more reputation and experience when he met them, in fact. I can easily see an older Mihawk meeting a rookie Shanks and being won over. It would make the parallel complete.
Zoro was more famous than Luffy, and he joined Luffy. If anything, Mihawk having a bigge reputation at that time gives more paralles to Zoro/Luffy Shanks/Mihawk
I honestly think mihawk is the second strongest Person in universe atm. Just because Zoro will accomplish his goal by defeating him, and that will most likely happen just before the very end. Because as if zoro will accomplish his goal long before luffy does, it will have to happen nearly simultaneously.
I defnitely don't think this is accurate. Luffy is likely stronger then Mihawk but we can leave this one up to speculation. But I'd say Blackbeard is stronger, Shanks is literally stronger too. Then you add the main antagonist which will likely be fought as well by Luffy's whole crew to take him down. Though we can't assume this one, Dragon might also be stronger at this point then Mihawk. We also don't know how well Mihawk would do against some Admirals.
@@sanguinepubIf Shanks is stronger then Mihawk that would be confirmation that Mihawk is a fraud and Zoro shouldn’t fight him. Zoro would fight Shanks instead. Narratively, Shanks>Mihawk would make Mihawk and Zoro look pathetic. I don’t think Oda would do that to Mihawk. But Zoro? He absolutely would not do something like that to such an important character.
@@garou417 What I imagine happened is Mihawk beat Shanks in the past. Basically, when Shanks had both arms and primarily used the Sword, Mihawk was overall stronger and in this time, he had become the worlds strongest swordsman.
But Shanks lost the arm and in his journey, he had to learn a new way to fight. I think from here, he refined his haki to obsurd levels and used his off hand to fight with the sword. Since then, he's become stronger then Mihawk.
The issue would become, even if they were to fight, Shanks may not just use the Sword. He might primiarily use Haki. Which is why Mihawk doesn't wish to challege Shanks, and as well, Shanks doesn't wish to challege Mihawk for that title. Thus, even though Shanks is stronger, the title stays with Mihawk since the two haven't fought since.
@@sanguinepubnah that makes his title on fraud watch. Shanks has been called a swordsman several times on the sbs and red book. Haki is used in swordsmanship and every time shanks was ready to fight, he used his sword.
What in the mihawk Stanboy is this💀💀💀
I had suspicions about Mihawk the moment he agreed to train Zoro. So when Buggy makes his grand bid for the One Piece I wondered if this was a hint at both Mihawk’s and Croc’s real motivations.
They were both present for Roger’s executions, so it makes sense they were motivated to go out to sea for the One Piece. At some point in their life.
Shanks’ feelings change after this as well, maybe he was in on Roger’s plan to wait for stronger pirates and “the right time.” Maybe this was “betrayal” that caused Mihawk to go solo.
He joins Shanks’ crew, close to their goal shanks says it’s not time to chase for the one piece. Mihawk gets pissed. They have a fight like Luffy vs Usopp. Mihawk leaves.
So perhaps him training Zoro was a way to make sure Zoro was strong enough to find the one piece and/or defeat Shanks and the Red Hair pirates.
It’s one thing to claim shanks is stronger than mihawk with no evidence but also to claim shanks bodied Kaido with no evidence ? I had to dislike the video
The look on Mihawks face when he saw Whitebeard said enough for me, and Shanks has done more with less, and didnt even fight in Marineford
@@JoyBoyTheoriesare you saying that old white beard is stronger then mihawk?
HM, before getting shanked by Squardo that was my impression, but honestly his health could have led to a slip up@@PoH27
And he forget the part that Kaido said to luffy he hasn’t been challenged in a serious 1vs1 in a long time and he believes that no one can defeat him beside Joyboy and he believes he’s the strongest! And this guy literally said shanks bodied Kaido Lmao I love how shanks fans loves to ignore the story!
@@Khaled68335
I’m a shanks fan too shanks is my second favourite anime character but I hate claiming shanks is the strongest without evidence and the Kaido disrespect needs to stop Kaido only lost to Luffy cause Luffy is the main character like it’s not fair to downplay Kaido so much just cause people love shanks more same with mihawk based on everything we know shanks is a swordsman and mihawk is the strongest swordsman therefore mihawk is stronger it’s basic logic but to explain how shanks is stronger you need so much cope
Why nobody question why mihawk nickname is Marine Hunter? And why he got the bounty that he have?
Because it works against his theory.
@@niello5944 haha ye i notice. It is pretty one sided
I mean Mihawk is the only character we know about since Ryuma who has been able to make a black blade. Shanks doesn't have that. That alone should show u that Mihawk is the superior swordsman. And Shanks might have the superior haki. Thats why theyre able to rival each other
it should actually tell you that Mihawk has the more superior haki since he has a blade coated in HAKI all of the time without him coating it in armament.
The one thing I disagree with is that Mihawk was never actually the World's Greatest Swordsman because of how that effects the conclusion to Zoro's dream
If it was actually Shanks the whole time then what does Zoro need to beat him to claim the title too otherwise he'd be just as much of a fraud as Mihawk would be revealed to be not using Occams Razor would just makes both of their stories worse without a bunch of finagling unless Mihawk actually beats current Shanks before losing to Zoro in which case there's not really any point to having him not actually have earned the title already because it's still relating the same information
6:34 actually this point was discussed in the manga directly, at the beginning of Zoro and King's fight it's made clear that he is not a swordsman, but a fighter who uses a sword, and an untraditional sword at that.
That is a really interesting bit about most of zoros fight,like Mr. 1 makes a point of saying he is no swordsman he is an assassin,Kaku mostly fights without swords, Pika uses a sword once,Monet has a sword-like attack,Cabaji is an acrobat, the only real swordsmen he has fought have been Ryuuma,Hachi,Hyouzo,and Ohm technically
@@emiliocorvalan3322ohm isn’t a swordman if kaku isn’t a swordsman just saying. Agreed with the rest though 😂
@@GroutMobile yeah good point,he is constantly using his weapon but is not even a technically a sword.
Man’s had the DOOHICKEY
@@emiliocorvalan3322Notice how none of those examples are anything at all comparable to Shanks. It's all post hoc rationalizations.
"Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, therefore..."
In Marineford, when Mihawk wanted to challenge Whitebeard, my theory is that Mihawk was well aware of Whitebeard's strength, but he saw or felt something wasn't right because Whitebeard was sick and his strength wasn't the same as before. Mihawk wanted to test to see if Whitebeard was still the strongest in the world.
At least that's just my theory
Remember when Mihawk said to zoro “If you’re a competent swordsman we do not have to cross blades for you to know that I surpass your skills.” You’re definitely on the money🎯
Mihawk was just considering Whitebeard at his prime. He/They wanted to see how he compared to that prime Whitebeard. After he saw Whitebeard didn't block the attack himself, he realized the distance was none existence.
Mihawk has the ability to gauge someone power!
I think the biggest things ppl aren’t realising ryuma n mihawk are the only swordsmen to turn there blade black that alone speaks volumes of his haki and armament 😂
@@ThefackerofannusesHasn't Zoro turned his blades black?
I think it’s an interesting theory, not a fan Mihawk being under Shanks cause it is too similar to the Buggy situation. But, as you mentioned, there has to be something there bc of Buggy’s speech of giving up past dreams.
Honestly if this was the case then I feel like they would've discussed and mentioned it already. Buggy and Mihawk would sure have very different opinions and relations with Shanks.
Who the hell believe that Shanks is “not” a swordsman?!!
Him 😭😭 he says shanks doesn’t need his sword pure head cannon
@@n01luffytard96 Well he also doesn’t need his hand that doesn’t mean he isn’t human 😂 Aside from the joke though, Zoro also doesn’t need his sword but he is considered a swordsman
Something I personally believe is that whole “if you ever get in the way” thing Zoro said was COMPLETELY resolved in the duel against Mihawk. Something I think a lot of people forget among the other cool moments in that fight is that Luffy restrains himself and others from interfering. I believe that him not getting in the way and waiting until the duel was completely over cemented Zoro’s respect for Luffy and is the reason he is the most loyal crew mate.
While a lot of what zoro does, especially how he unquestioningly follows Luffy’s orders can be explained by Zoro’s quirky personality, I believe Luffy’s conduct during his duel actually plays a much bigger role in Zoro’s loyalty than people realize.
His "blind obedience" in following Luffy can be explained in the Water 7/Ennies Lobby arcs. When the Ussop and Luffy drama was happening, he tells Luffy not to waver or else the crew wouldn't know who to look to for guidance when they needed it. He also cemented this when the crew talks about Ussop returning to the crew and how disrespecting the captain and leaving the crew should not be met with a welcome celebration unless Ussop acknowledges his wrongdoings. To Zoro, the captain should be followed no matter what so he ensures that Luffy is unwavering in his decisions so that he can believe in any order he commands.
There are many interesting points brought, the more scandalous ones being Zoro and his loyalty. I'm more in line with MelonTeee's analysis on Zoro and his anxiety for strength. Also Zoro actually wanting to just drop Sanji misses the whole point of what that man is going through internally. Regardless of what you think, Zoro intertwines his dream with the crew as a whole as showcased in Thriller Bark. His dream means nothing if he can't even protect his captain.
I am intrigued by the idea that Mihawk is Shank's Zoro but they got the bad ending. However, I feel its just as likely that Mihawk did achieve his goal, but without a crew to share in that dream it becomes rather empty. You're right that Buggy's speech definitely hints at something regarding Crocodile and Mihawk's past, what that is I'm not sure.
There are somethings that discredit the theory and it's the utter lack of acknowledgement of Mihawk and Shanks being crewmates. Every time its just Mihawk and Shanks dueling. Neither Whitebeard nor the Marines even make a hint of this occuring, and yes they would know. Espionage and intelligence acquisition are key things that Yonkos and the Navy engage in. Also that one time during East Blue when Mihawk met Shanks, they talked about Luffy. Mihawk tells Shanks about an interesting boy he met and recalls a story Shanks told him. Contextually it appears that Mihawk was never on Shanks' crew.
How I see it is, Shanks is Roger and Mihawk is WB when it comes to 1v1 but the difference is Roger and Shanks have a goal while WB and Mihawk have already achieved their goal
If we were to take the live actions representation of Mihawk vs Don Crieg into account we could say that Mihawk has been shown fighting people 1 on 1 who aren’t swordsmen. As well as Mihawk attempting to attack luffy in Marineford as well as all the fodder pirates he destroyed I would argue that we have seen Mihawk fight those who are not “swordsmen”. But him being a member of shanks crew is kinda cool 👀
The Whitebeard argument is so disrespectful man
First of all if you believe Mihawk when he says Whitebeard is above him then not believeing him when he says hes stronger than Shanks is biased, becuase you believe him when you want to in that case.
And secondly, Shanks is no equal to Whitebeard at the eyes of the world, not even close, Shanks is a brat whos been a yonko for 4 years, HE IS PART of those "everyone else" thats bellow Whitebeard when Mihawk speaks about "us" because he was supposed to be THE STRONGEST in the world without question, above EVERYONE ELSE including Shanks and also Mihawk
People really forget how big Whitebeard was
Shanks is not his equal just because hes a yonko
It would be like saying Buggy is equal to Mihawk cause theyre both shichibukai, Buggy is not even equal to Mihawk as a new yonko, given their bounty
shanks was shown to be equal to WB when they clashed and split the skies.
Mihawk is under both of them when referring to “us” implying hes below
@@hasantariq869 A starting clash doesnt mean they are equals, it means they can clash, relative at most
And also, thats not the point, noone even saw that, we are talking about what everyone thinks, because thats what Whitebeard's title is and why Mihawk said what he said
No, Mihawk is not under both, EVERYONE is bellow Whitebeard in that statement
He also forgot that even Shanks himself hasn't really gone against Whitebeard (besides being part of Roger's crew). Whitebeard was also someone from a prior generation with his health declining for years and unlikely to be someone Mihawk cared to pick a fight with when Shanks was right there. He's the guy who Mihawk only lost interest around a decade before the main story and over a decade after Roger's death. Just because Mihawk enjoys fighting strong people doesn't necessarily mean he's the type to go out of his way and pick fight with people rather than having the fight comes to him. The bit about Mihawk not being able to challenge Whitebeard because he doesn't have a crew makes no sense at all. If Mihawk shows up and request a duel with Whitebeard is Whitebeard going to just let his crew handle Mihawk? Not happening. After a multiple people get defeated by Mihawk he's not just going to solve it by sending more of his crew without handling Mihawk himself. There's a lot of what if going on with the assumption Mihawk can't challenge big names because he didn't have a crew.
Mihawk's also known as marine hunter, so it's also entirely possible that he had picked more fights with marines than pirates in the past before becoming a shichibukai. And after he became a shichibukai there's no way the marine is going to let him pick a fight with a yonkou openly when the role is to maintain balance with the yonkou.
Ehhh - I think a lot of your takes are just as narrow as the opposites. For example - the idea of challenging WB - at Marine Ford one can see it as Mihawk wanting to see WB still has it as he's an old man. This can be tied to the statements from Garp and Sengoku - as well as WB comment about Garp which is basically them making comments about their past glory; because they've grown old.
Mihawk did a single arm slash towards WB and Jozu took it - that can be seen as "WB can't take this" so Jozu took it. And this can be double downed as we see Spider Squard impale WB without Haki later after.
As for Mihawk being on Shanks crew - it's possible, but we also know that Mihawk was deemed a "famous swordsman" BEFORE Roger's execution. For him to be a famous swordsman at that point would likely imply that he had been beyond the grandline. Before Shanks made a name for himself.
That said - interesting points regardless - I especially dug the parallel to Zoro's path with the SHs and tying that into Mihawk.
So great video overall, but I do think you undermined your build up of "some probably clicked off" and "don't you hate this conversation?" and eventually curving right back into that area of conversation a touch. Guess what I'm trying to get across is, you could of saved time by not including the qualifier portion lol
edit: Also 2 more side point
- Zoro is the most loyal; you mentioned him willing to leave the crew as he states when he's recruited; but you forget that this changes for him as "Nothing Happened" is the exact walk-back of that idea and statement. He was willing to, and he did, put his life on the line to BE sacrificed for Luffy. The deal of living if able to survive Luffy's pain was AFTER the initial surrendering of Zoro's life. This is also double backed by Sanji who directly tells Zoro that he'd do it instead because he wants Zoro to achieve his dream.
- Zoro did trust Nami. He was talking sideways due to the fishmen - but later on he dives in the water while restricted because he KNEW Nami would save him.
Mihawk is a stronger swordsman, get over it. Shanks isn't a brawler or a marksman, he's a swordsman as Oda has stated ffs. Just because Oda hasn't done anything with Mihawk doesn't that is an anti-feat, that's literally dumb logic. I guess Imu is fodder because it has no feats, or JoyBoy is fodder because he has no feats, Ryuma is fodder.
How people use the logic of - Oda has not written them into the story yet so they must not be that strong - only applies to Mihawk loool Shanks is cooler so must be stronger
21:49 don’t disrespect Zoro like that. Least loyal? To Luffy? I guess nothing really happened🤷🏽♂️
Maybe Shanks' haki is just THAT good and Mihawk's swordsmanship is just THAT good - meaning they're both so good they can counter act each other's proficiency
But then why would Mihawk not want a duel if Shanks could be a challenge?
@JoyBoyTheories because if they were close to even, then it wouldn't be really fair - his statement holds true doesn't it?
Besides, Oda has emphasized Mihawk not wanting to do anything he doesn't feel like doing through the anime and chose to reinforce it in the live action
I've engaged in some of this discussion in the comments and it reminds me I dislike it lmao@@Nellyson96
This man really though Shanks fought Kaido and won. Came out of the fight Unharmed and the Rushed to Marineford. They most likely negotiated or just had a drink together. He really said that Mihawk is gonna wanna join the Strawhats. People out here be watching Agenda piece or 2 piece.
Loyalty is a devotion or sentiment to something and I would say zoro devotion to the crew is the greatest because he'll leave the moment he thinks it's not his crew anymore, which to me shows more devotion as he's making a decision that he probably isn't happy with. Also I would say his distrust in people shows that he's trying to protect the crew by not being naive and is the only one willing to do that, so I would say him not being as happy or not laughing is him trying to take on the burden of the crew because of devotion which is loyalty.
Like there are knights that didnt trust in their lords but because of the knights code they're devoted to they where loyal.
Though I do understand your point. Ah im not trying to say anything against you, sorry if it sounds like that. Im just trying to saying my point of view on thing.
Makes sense.
Honestly, doesn't make sense. Mihawk wanting to join Luffy does not fit narrative wise (short of being stupid). He may have an additional goal ON TOP of already being the best swordsman but yeah. You're on crack
JB, your theories are just plain awesome! Whether or not this is true It's well thought out and fun to think about.
@8:01 Your wrong b/c if you watch another episode Mihawk says the exact same thing to fodder (literally word for word). He is not saying how powerful he is, he is saying how far he actually is distance wise. This is Odas way of throwing you off as to how powerful Mihawk truly is.
I think this theory is really dumb. There's never been any instances that even implies that Mihawk was ever a part of the Red Hair pirates. This seems more like "Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, this is a theory explaining why, disregard Zoro vs Mihawk's narrative."
Not to mention Cross Guild would tear itself apart if every member actually followed their dreams and you'd have to either destroy Zoro's entire story or establish a clear WSS for Zoro to beat.
Also obligatory "the World's Strongest Swordsman is not about strength bro, it's about SKILL, completely disregard that the title is gained by beating the current title holder in a normal 1v1 fight."
Facts .. this is such a shanks fanboy video...
and one thing he said this video is ... shanks whooped kaido very easyily when story tells the opposite ... kaido knows shanks and how powerful he is .. that's why he is in his top 5 but kaido while fighting luffy beileved that there's no one who can defeat him...
@@thisisme2014 Yeah, Kaido should already be naming Shanks Joyboy if he did beat him, not wondering if Luffy is Joyboy.
@@CrimsonDRagon-bi9cebut no we are not going to use that...cus our "GOD Shanks is so strong that he is tier above all for no reason" 😂
Shanks Stans are so funny
Mihawk >> Shanks....
Nah Shanks wins extreme diff
The theory seems to assume that shanks was the way he is now before and after he lost his arm
Makes more sense that Shanks had two arms and was one of the strongest swordsman. He lost his arm and trained his haki to compensate and became even stonger but not as a swordsman
Leaving mihawk uninterested and unfufilled
I mean King did say himself that he wasn’t a swordsman.
Give me panel where people are comparing king's swordsmanship to mihawk(WSS) OR Zoro
And people like whitebeard talking about their legendary duels
I always got the vibe that Mihawk is stuck on the hedonic treadmill.
"The hedonic treadmill is a psychological theory that suggests that humans have a tendency to return to a relatively stable level of happiness or subjective wellbeing, despite changes in their circumstances or external conditions."
Basically if you reach a goal, eventually the fruits of that goal become your new normal. Morj made a Chainsaw Man manga review where he goes in depth about it (major spoilers in the vid btw). But this also works really well. I think they aren't entirely incompatible either, as Mihawk seems disappointed in not being able to challenge someone like Whitebeard 1 on 1. Like you said, his goal will always be out of his reach and he will remain dissatisfied because he doesn't have the crew to get him to a position to truly test his metal.
This makes so much sense because as soon as mihawk went to test the difference between him and whitebeard, It was immediately stopped by jozu.
I think Mihawk must be stronger than Shanks for narrative payoff reasons. It must be so for Zoro's dream to be worthwhile.
One thing I've noticed about One Piece is that a lot of top tiers don't come across each other as often as we think they do. Especially commanders and less probably come across each other more than actually yonkos and right hands. Mihawk was probably excited to see WB that could have been his first time seeing him in person. Shanks already got history with seeing him multiple times. Even Kaido top tier list didn't have someone like Mihawk on it or Dragon. Two people who I think he hasn't crossed paths with. Garp wasn't even on his list or Rayleigh, but he had a weak version on basically himself on the list that being Oden. Even when Crocodile blocked that Mihawk attack it was meant to cut a rabbit (Luffy) a small fry. But in general from what it seems like Yonkos and their crew don't actually come into close quarters with each other as often. It could disturb the balance or leave each other vulnerable. Even for someone like Mihawk who lives on an island a lone or travels the seas the alone you would have thought people would have tried to jump him or force him to join their crew, but there he is. Sailing the New World on a chair for a ship, unscathed, unbothered.
Theres an argumrnt to be made that maybethe Zoro and Mihawk parallel makes sense. Maybe at one point Shanks, unlike Luffy with Zoro, failed in his recruitment of Mihawk, this definitely could have been Zoro's future, great theory!
This is such a Shanks fanboy video ... ultimate headcanon... Bro just say u hate mihawk and loves shanks.... In a manga where zoro(the pure swordman) can create Wind Attacks tornado we are talking about pure swordsmanship...
Mihawk could have beaten Shanks in the past and the theory can still work, but yes I am a Shanks fanboy I guess lmao
Honestly....Zoro is to Luffy what Ben Becmen is to Shanks.... That extra voice of reason and backbone...hell it even parallels to Rayleigh and Roger. Everyone on the ship is older than Luffy except chopper and I think ussop cuz they the same age ? So yeah.... Big brother / right hand man energy Zoro expresses
I think this theory would fit more if Mihawk actually did best Shanks in a duel, with the cost of his theoretical place in the crew. One Piece goes to many lengths to show that while dreams are important, they're nigh meaningless if achieved alone. So Mihawk would work great as an example of someone who had no satisfaction in achieving his dream due to having no one to share it with. This would help smoothen out the endgame too since Mihawk has been set up as the final obstacle for Zoro for pretty much One Piece's entire lifetime so for their duel to have the unsatisfying conclusion of "actually Zoro had only best the second strongest swordsman" doesn't sit right with me.
Possibilty of someone besting Shanks, even in the past, is for some very hard to accept.
I think you misread Zoro's character a bit. Zoro is less comedic because strawhats are less comedic.
Pacing gets more and more tight, we rarely get some off time, and during it more comedic strawhats will get priority.
That being said i really don't think he changed more than any other strawhat post timeskip. They all grew and matured, but still feel the same.
And i agree that your interpretation of Buggy's speech is correct, Mihawk got lazy, but I'm still not convinced here. Mihawk most likely had a clash with Shanks in same manner as Whitebeard and Roger had: basically breathing the shit out of eachother for sport. I really doubt Shanks would welcome mutinier for a drink in same way as he did in the story.
Honestly i just believe that whole swordman debacle is just byproduct of 20 years old ongoing story from an artist who was barely not a teen when he started writing it. Most of the story was more or less improvised partway, and in early one piece there was no niuanse to things. Now we barely know how to count if someone is swordman or not. The longer story gets, and the more different powers we get in story, Zoro's dream will get more and more muddy, eventually surpassing even the vague "brave warrior of the seas"dream.
And don't get me wrong, I could see that coming out true if Oda were to realise that would make some sense, but at this point this really feels like just trying to explain a writing problem that was unavoidable really.
Also, i would kinda argue that Buggy is best capitan for both crocodile and Mihawk, since despite both of them being stronger than Buggy, buggy has very dangerous ability to snowball into more and more demanding environments that force you to grow. And that was buggy happy to hide in east blue, now we have buggy wanting to claim One Piece.
Of course from story perspective, Luffy would be the best pirate Captain to thrive under if you need challenge, but from in universe point of view, especially if you are aware of real events, Buggy feels like at least equally amazing match
Big Mom and King has devil fruit powers on top of their swords in fact Big Mom's sword is made out of her devil fruit powers and she's technically using her devil fruit power all the way. Shanks on the other has nothing beside his sword. Haki is a must for top tiers. Shanks is a swordsman in fact he is regarded as a sword master
I love how most people claim shanks is stronger just bc they’ve seen more from shanks than Mihawk. All of you who believe that are underestimating oda and the title “worlds strongest”. There’s a reason why these people hold these titles.
You were right about that title
My mind is kinda being blown
I think such a development would be amazingly interesting i just don't wanna put too much hopes in it or i might get disappointed if it doesn't happen but this is really opening Mihawk's character to something more enjoyable than we thought
Mihawk is stronger than Shanks! Shanks is a swordsman! Therefore Mihawk is stronger. There is no such thing as a Haki-man. Use LOGIC!
We haven't even seen Mihawk use baki, but he is called the clairvoyant for a reason. In order to be a rival or someone, you need to at least be as strong or stronger. Mihawk only used normal sword swings up until now.
I have been listening to your channel for about 2 years… the last 5 videos and theories you have put out have been really amazing and some of my favorite of your theories! Though we don’t have confirmation some of this clearly has to be a thing! Roger told shanks the future and had him play a role which slowly ruined his sense of adventure and personal dreams… he stalled out and his crew had a falling out where mihawk left perhaps arguing that he should not follow another persons dreams. That is why he knows about shanks plans and the boy who roger is waiting for. And this is why Oda OKd the script on live action where mihawk became interested in the job after he heard about luffy! shanks most loyal friends stuck with him till today hoping deep down inside for a future where the obligation was over and they could do what they want. This is now… roger probably only told him that he needed to pass the nika fruit and keep this early sprout from being plucked by the world government like a gardener raising joyboy. Now he has awakened and shanks can do as he pleases again sparking inspiration in the 2 that left him: buggy and mihawk. This is how Oda crafts stories! He took zoros goal and created a person suffering from his goals eventual success and lack of fulfillment as his antagonist like Luffy vs Moria. as a defeated and bored person who’s dreams are stagnant because he is at the top or because he chose to go it alone and never finds the challenges that give him growth. Oda once said in an interview that one piece manga was only born out of the mutual support and competition between his fellow mangaka in his early teams! He said they all had one treasure they were fighting for … the coveted spot dragon ball had taken as king for decades and shonen jump was pressuring everyone to come up with the next big story… the one piece of art that would carry them for decades ;)… out of this generation came the big three Naruto, one piece and bleach! These yonko battled it out but in the end only the manga king had a clear vision for how his adventure would end and withstood the test of time ;) ... Akira toriyama of dragon ball was white beard or roger inspiring the great shonen manga era… Oda has filled the story with quotes about strawhats saying they need each other to be pirate king or achieve their goals… and just like Oda had huge rivalries with his mangaka crew he wrote that dynamic in with zoro and sanji… when mihawk left it was out of frustration that shanks gave up and he wandered stalled without competition a clear goal nor a team to inspire his growth. That’s why he lives alone in a ghost kingdom, his ship is a lonely single raft for a soloist to go nowhere slowly… his sword is huge but it never has a worthy opponent to use it on and instead he deals day to day with mundane tasks that only require his little rabbit knife instead… like the young dreamer who settles for a 9 -5 that does not use his strengths nor fullfill his goals! with the new knowledge that shanks was waiting and the cross guild is now a crew of pirates with crushed dreams(dofy and Moria incoming for a battle against their own seraphim like a battle with their youthful dreams incarnate that will give them their greatest challenge) this make cross guild and buggy speech so awesome! These old has been a are going to finally approach their dreams like their youthful selves and pose a challenge to the title pirate king and worlds greatest swordsman
how is worlds "strongest" swordsman Vague ?
he is the strongest swordsman its that simple. whoever is a known swordsman he is stronger than that,
and shanks clearly is a swordsman. him having very strong haki is part of being a strong swordsman
Zoro literally had to learn ACOC last arc to be a stronger swordsman
Mihawk >>>>>>
I just doesn’t really make sense they literally states in the story that shanks got a lot of his notoriety from Mihawk that means back in the days Mihawk was a bigger name than shanks in the world and I’m gonna just say this Mihawk is the strongest it been repeated over and over again in the story when they mention Mihawk bounty they literally compare shanks and say he has even greater sword skill than shanks he is a master swordman that’s his combat style so no shanks is not above Mihawk. I don’t know why all the big one piece tubers they convince people that Mihawk actually isn’t the strongest his vivre card literally says Mihawk is the strongest in title and actuality what more do we need the statements is there by the author 😂
Mihawk is the physical embodiment of the Black Blade. The blade could not find anyone worthy to wield it so it has created its own image of the greatest swordsman in Mihawk. Picture the grim reaper from Zoro's vision actually wielding Enma to get the idea.
7:04 king and big mom aren't swordsman but they know how to swing a sword...lol half wrong. Luffy isn't a swordsman when he gets a sword he "handles it like a pro" but he can't fight with a sword. So I would say big mom and king are more of a "swordsman"
I've honestly never thought of this idea and I absolutely love it. I'm glad I got to hear this, even if it was completely random that this video specifically showed up in my suggestions! One of my favorite One Piece theories ever!
my pleasure and thank you 😁
I believe it was many battles with Shanks not just one
And I did almost click out lol
But about the theory, no, just no lol but its was a well taught out and made video! Keep at it JB!!
I think mihawk has hardly any real worthy opponents to sword fight. Doesn't seem like fighting a logia or kaido or something was interesting to him but he was interested in whitebeard iirc. I think shanks could hang with him in sword duels but when he lost his arm mihawk lost interest cause he see's no honor in fighting a one handed swordsman. Also there's the same problem where oda can't get too much into mihawk's backstory and motivations because he's zoro's endgame. Kinda like how we can't get kaido's full story cause of rocks.
That is an awesome username :3
Was hawk eye dream even said throughout his points in the story?
Great video!
I think this entire theory is based on really flimsy ideas.
First off, this automatically assumes Shanks is stronger then Mihawk. When in reality there is more evidence in the Manga that Mihawk is actually stronger just outright. There is nothing pointing that Shanks is stronger. Just fan head Canon because we want Shanks to be a badass.
Mihawk probably isn't even human, he is the only character with the set of eyes he has outside of emu. The likelihood that mihawk is just different is almost 100% out the gate.
the same theory can work if Mihawk was stronger, but you just have to fiddle with stuff
@JoyBoyTheories tbh when I commented I hadn't finished the video, was at work, I was only halfway through before finishing it later.
The theory about mihawk being on Shanks crew and all of that sounds interesting, I could see it either way.
But I think Mihawk is something different from anything we've seen before now. In a world where body structure and small details matter with hoe peoples bodies are (different wing designs for the 3 different races from the moon) long arm tribes, long head, ect.
The detail that mihawk has different eyes from everyone isn't by accident.
That probably plays into why he by himswlf is worth 3.6billion berries. Which is absurd for anyone without a crew or influence. No ties to the revolutionary army or anything.
His bounty is outrageous concidering what we know of him. That's one reason I believe he is most likely stronger then Shanks just outright. If not then at least equal.
I mean Imu and Mihawk having ringed eyes has to mean something. Maybe they're related 😱
This just reminds me of a debate within the Smash community. Was ZeRo the world's best Captain Falcon when he didn't really play Captain Falcon? He definitely bodied the world's best Captain Falcon MAIN, and was way better with Captain Falcon than that person.
If someone way stronger than Mihawk can just pick up a sword and body him, I think you make a very frustratingly good point.
Just because someone has shown better feats than someone else, it does not mean they're stronger. You cannot know that unless they both go all out.
Wow so if zoro is foreshadowed to be “best swordsman” then oda gave us a clue on how the last battle will become. And since you say shanks is the strongest and has been waiting for luffy to match his abilities so they can fight to find the one piece against eachother but with mutual respect means one thing. Luffy will have to kill shanks so zoro can be the best swordsman not because be won but because he outlived. Remember zoro has haki and only said he will never lose again (pertaining to a sword duel). Safe to say if shanks gave luffy the hat then imu must have gave joy boy his hat and that why its still kept. As a commemoration.
I think mihawk goes around only to sharpen others swordsmanship. So when shanks lost his arm mihawk automatically disregarded him as what i can only assume is a prophet that only mihawk knows of and will share at right time. His sword even looks to be a key. He barley used his big sword.
First I laugh at the idea, then at the end of the video I was like oh okay you got me joyboy.
THAT ENDING!!!!!!!! The fight for the position of right hand man of the King of the Pirates!!!!
You guys are going to be hit with reality soon. You youtubers have no grasp of the story.a
I remember Tekking brought this up in a video once and his idea was basically that mihawk and shanks were similar to Roger and Rayleigh but more competitive. It got to the point eventually where they had a final duel and the winner would claim the title as WSS.
However I wanna add to that and say this was similar to Ussop vs Luffy where the winner of this battle determined who would be the captain of the crew or something of that nature.
Mihawk won but didn't want to be the captain so instead he leaves while shanks and his crew continue their search for Joyboy
Ur right in the first 8 minutes I doscovered you were a extreme shanks fan
Lol mihawk solos the grand line BRO. give up WHAT?
I always found it interesting that Zono doesn't really run into many other people that also want to be the worlds strongest swordsman.
On one level, it could simply be because Zoro pretty quickly found Mihawk, so he no longer has any reason waste time on any other swordsman now that his goal in in arms reach.
Like, why waste time on common mobs when you can jump right to the Boss?
Man is that a tasty idea for a flashback and character arc we didn’t even Realise was already going on! …potentially! Of course…
: D
Imagine Mihawk challenges Luffy to this davyback and Croc and Buggy are just shocked like “woah What are you saying Mihawk!? Why do you want us to fight them for crew mem-“
“I don’t. They’re not fighting for your flag or me for theirs… I’m fighting Zoro for the position befitting old man Rayleigh; my dream is to be the Swordsmaster alongside the crew of the Pirate King and the Kid’s Almost There already… If you had better Observation Hákí then you’d have noticed how determined they were since before you even tried to fight them… This is who My Rival fed his arm to a Seaking to save! So since Shanks didn’t want to become King of the Pirates, I will replace the young Pirate Hunter, as I’d expect a Marine Hunter to be more helpful on the crew before and after the chaos surrounding Laughtale…. And I witnessed their promise to have the world’s strongest swordsman and I even asked him to surpass me! Then I wound up training him months later for 2 years… even taught him how to conquer your own eyes and gave him that scar with message I’d have cut deep enough next time we battle if he couldn’t outplay me with his unnecessary number of swords… though it’s clear I sense at least a few If not All are ready for blackening, though he still relies on the inherent willpower of his Blades and may not even be ready to overwrite his life into such Strong Blades… It’d be quite difficult to tame the King of Hell… It may be a Saîjō already even if it were Properly Assessed…. However some Wánô Blades of Fame aren’t named as such Since the Loss of both the Shōdaî Kítètsū and later the SwordGod’s own Shūsūí which the kid won of his corpse after it’d been stolen by a different Warlord and is it the Skeleton who fences and is also the Soul King who is both a Conqueror of Death itself AND someone to fight one on one against Charlotte LinLin? I know her real danger is power and Devilfruit tricks but I hear she throws a Mean ‘Íkôkkū!’ and so casually… Rayleigh told me to avoid fighting any of the Rocks Pirates… I hear shanks drank and fought with KaîDôū & Whitebeard… and that’s even After he fed his arm to Gōà’s local SeaKing… besides I want the position before Shanks tries to Take it From him and Kill Zoro chàn… I might just be your Warm Up fight Kid… If you ever plan to live up to Shímôtsūkí Rïūmà’s name… So do you accept a one round DavyBack over your Vice captain’s position? I’m certainly Not Number 2 in the Cross Guild as much as we’re Three Captains with a Desire to kill Every Marine… Also we’re gonna pay Aokíjí for your grandpa’s head if the world government don’t have them make whatever deal he’s making with him… but Croc’s who to talk about that Money Stuff with… the clown can only manage the minds of the easily impressed around here…”
….or Something along those lines…. : D
Not just me thinking Something like that with 2 or 3 Twists would Really make for an incredible follow up depending on whether Egghead ends in a Revolutionary Triumph or Questioning of whether or not they’re ready for Èlbàf or Whatever BlackBeard or World Government escalations of conflict may come next? Cause I feel like this could be a fun reveal Ôdà’s been Waiting to do just right…
What If Mihawk was called “worlds strongest” Just Because Shanks lost an arm or said something about it publicly whilst people assume he may’ve lost his arm to Míhawk or something because of how Whitebeard Had to Ask as though he knew whatever Story he’d heard from others wasn’t true…?
There could be also fears like “was it the so called Holy Land people like old man Garling? Hear he’s still got that goofy moonhair! I mean I never liked Kaîdô chàn’s fashion but man does he have the ‘Celestial’ Dragons outdone in… not looking like idiots with too much money and undeserved respect…. So is this really one of the last of the god valley vineyards’s sáké Or is everything more peaceful there these days? You know I never would’ve went along with-“ …or whatever they actually talked about when things went off panel…
Hell maybe Shanks or Garp tells the god valley flashback as whoever they were back then hehehe still think it’s possible the sad sight Kaîdo talked about was Actually his captain with a new haircut and Name because he’d made a deal to spare any rocks pirates or whoever they’re allied with if they left then… And the person became a Marine with the name of Either Monkey D Garp OR Dragon… though Dragons too obvious and Garps a better shocking twist of it was just a Haircut hehe
Excuse my rambling through speculative theories and so on which feel twisty enough when I first thought them… : D
Oh yeah;
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before anyone complains about moving eyeballs back and forth!
…Even If it’s Just some A.I. Bots that hate people communicating beyond Twitter Limitations start complaining as though they’re too disabled for it to be processed or need to make a spectacle of being offended by someone writing More than 3 short sentences with a meme image as the most they can communicate minus any nuance or deep thought… cause if I wrote a Long One I’d expect those comments if I used more big words but maybe I’m even trying to talk dumber for the people affected by twitter since people are now offended by ideas being long enough to actually communicate nuanced ideas, etc. As though Not Reading wasn’t a choice but they still need to make clear that they’ve got some such misplaced dislike programmed into them…
How’d I start rambling that stuff again? Ha Do Excuse me! : D
But love that JB’s got me theorisin’ off the deep end again!
Always good fun mate!
Cheers
Imagine shanks without a sword. How is he going to defeat kaido/admirals? Is he going to haki-punch and haki-blast? It’s a bad take. His primary method of combat is a sword, therefore you cannot deny that he is a swordman. Shanks is 100% a swordman. With this context, unless it is canon where shanks defeat mihawk or there are legitimate claims in the story that shanks is stronger than mihawk, the only logical conclusion is that Mihawk is as strong as or even stronger than Shanks.
Shanks's fans are always on the purest copium, i stopped the video when he said shanks don't need his sword, meanwhile everytime we saw shanks ready to fight he pulled out the sword.
Sorry but I think you're not very good at reading characters. I like your idea about the red hair pirates having given up their dreams for Shanks (hint: Buggy flashback) but saying Zoro is the least loyal character is pretty insane.
Zoro didn't give up on Usopp. He instead needed Luffy to be a captain everybody could stand behind. A captain that would have authority and strength. Because Luffy is the only person Zoro accepts as being stronger than him, hence why he trusts him with his life arc after arc (letting Luffy fight the strongest opponent).
Zoro didn't give up on Sanji either. He felt betrayed when Sanji left without a word. Despite or maybe because of their constant fighting, those two are the best friends on the crew. They are essentially brothers who deeply care for one another but are too toxic to show that openly, so instead they choose to fight. Anyone who doubts this relationship needs to rewatch Thriller Bark and Wano.
You really think Zoro felt betrayed by Sanji?
And if that's true, why did no one else feel this way? They all seemed to understand that Sanji had his reasons, and that he might need their help(true)
I agree with 99% of this video. Where I differ may very well be a hot take: I think Mihawk at some point will begin to respect Buggy one way or another, with the same vitriol as the Straw Hats acknowledging that while Luffy can absolutely be an idiot but also a symbol of hope in the same breath. Buggy as a character made a huge flip with his proclamation in the faces of two people that could very well kill him. And this video aside, I think the live action gave him more parallel to Luffy than I initially realized on my first watch of it. Luffy is the rubber human because no matter how much you knock him down, he'll bounce right back. Buggy says you can slice him, and you can dice him, but he'll always put himself back together. This line coupled with his newfound conviction to REALLY fight for the One Piece I feel will push him to honing his overall strength, both in Haki that we've yet to see him display because he's always low-key been a coward, and awakening his Chop Chop fruit. Idk this could just be the mad ramblings of a Buggy fan but how could one think otherwise after that speech?
I’d even argue that the respect started during Buggy’s speech
So this whole theory is hinged on your opinion, based on nothing really, that Shanks HAS to be stronger. The only 'portrayal' is that they are both swordsmen and used to have sword duels, and yet one of them is universally considered the strongest swordsman, and the other isn't. Yeah Hawkeye doesn't have recent feats, so what, neither does Dragon. Do people think ivankov or sabo is stronger than Dragon, just because Dragon hasn't had a big role to play yet? I thought I'll give this theory the benefit and at least listen, but when you start with 'its abundantly clear X is stronger than Y' based on nothing, it's literally impossible
He just have a huge Bonner for Shanks. This is what happens when you are on that Agenda piece. You forget about Logic and Common sense. Good to see someone in the One piece community finally using their brains.
Some of the things JB said about Zoro's loyalty...Zoro fans aren't going like that at all. 😂
Not quite. He conflates being distrustful to being less loyal, which are two completely different concepts.
@@strykervirus1724exactly! Zoro distrusted Robin because he knew she was hiding something, but Zoro trusted Sanji as a man to do what needed to be done, and that’s why Luffy teased him. JB purposefully misrepresented the nuance here.
I don't think any Mihawk vs Shanks power comparison can be made at all. If their future sight is their power, they could be both op monsters.
It would make sense that they lost mihawk before the grand line before they met yassop or right after. Then Mihawk could’ve just had the duel then, and mihawk couldve just never had the interest to keep going and stayed before the grandline wall. He also has a high noble attitude.