Doesn't take into account how much of the currency earned came from altars and reward tiles from league mechanics instead of actual ground loot. I wouldn't call ground loot broken, but it definitely took a hit compared too last league. It's very noticable and expected with the way they nerfed quant this league. Edit: Overlooked the fact he skipped league mechanics. Though my point is still valid, with simple alch and go farming, most of the currency is expected to come from red altars.
That is a very good point that I overlooked. Thanks for pointing that out. If you look at my streams, which I'll add into the description now - sorry I forgot - you can see how much I earned. From the RF Chieftain project on Sunday, I had 23 div and 144c net profit. That doesn't include the very roughly assumed 5~ divines to buy and roll maps, fragments and scarabs. And you can remove an additional 4~ divines from that net profit, because they came from Embers and the Invitations. Still, I always assumed that Alch and Go means you are running Atlars/Influence. But this clashes with the title and overall topic of the video. In the end, bad on my end, trying to bring out a video in less than 2 days, instead of working on it for a bit longer. Beside that, I hope the video shows that there is a low investment strat that the average person can do.
@@DanielTheExiled Super fair, I was about to comment something pretty negative as this video is fantastic, but it completely misses the definition of ground loot.
Last League had allflame bonuses by default on maps and many of them were quant and rarity bonuses you could swap between monsters. And the League prior was... Affliction. Ground loot hasnt changed. People don't remember Necropolis mechanics because everybody dropped earlier than usual.
@@trackts Thx for reminding me of something I hadn't taken into account at all, because I'm an idiot. Also I definitely didn't play countless leagues before necropolis and affliction, so I have absolutely no reference and no idea what I'm talking about. On a serious note, do you really think their changes to quant on monsters has no effect on ground loot? If yes then what content are you playing? Why do you think wisps have close to zero influence on drops? Why do you think when you're putting quant back on monsters, for example through titanic scarabs on rogue exiles, wisps all of a sudden have a very noticable effect on drops? I could give you more examples of how ground loot has been effected, but I don't want to write an essay.
@@DanielTheExiled you havent talked about ground loot at all, the bulk of your loot is maps lol which is not ground lot and hasnt been hit by the nerf. In 1h of my strat in graveyard maps pre 3.25, i was dropping 340 the unions cards , that was on average 4 brother's gift, 4 brother's stash for 340 unions, so 20divine, 20 exalted and 480 gemcutter prism solely in cards, now i dont event think i can get 1 brother's card per hour
Disclaimer: What I'm about to say isnt meant to denigrate players who play slowly and who care less about currency/hour. You can play the game however you like. No one is telling you that you must play a certain way or that if you dont make a certain div/hour then you arent good. Everyone plays differently. What follows is targeted at those who have the ability and desire to make more currency than just alch and go. Having said that, 9 div/hour is not good for where the game is today. The game has evolved to the point where if you arent able to reach 12+ div/hour then you're just doing something wrong. This is why ground loot sucks. Not because it doesnt exist or because it doesnt make ANY currency, but more because you could do literally anything else in the game WITH scarabs and make sometimes 2 - 3x what you would make without scarabs. In conclusion, Reddit cries about literally everything and blows everything out of proportion, but they are correct at a base level. Alch and go, no scarabs or only sac frags is a dead strategy if you compare it to where it was in previous leagues and how much currency can be made now with the advent of the scarab changes. You are better suited to specing into something on the atlas passive tree and then using the respective scarabs and there is no debate. Again, you can play the game how you want. If you want to alch and go, you can. You will make currency. You will just be leaving currency on the table for not much more effort or investment.
Oh, 100%. Using a good combination of scarabs usually provides more loot. I learned this years ago thanks to Grimro and his Legion currency farming guide. This Alch n Go strat came from wanting to see if ground loot is broken, but also, because I dislike most other league mechanics in the game and can't do them with my build - Deadeye Lightning Arrow. In addition, Toxic Sewer is the best map to also grab gold passively, which is why I run it. The gold and my issues with it should be coming out next week. It will explain why I run Toxic Sewer exclusively since league start. But to say it again, you are right and a few basic scarabs including a proper Atlas Skill Tree will reward someone with more than "just" 9 divs/hour. For anyone who read this far, here is Crouching Tuna's currency farming video, which is a very helpful Google Doc linked in the description: ua-cam.com/video/GTwmE06iV3A/v-deo.html
This proves absolutely nothing?? Where is the data from prior leagues to compare? What a silly video by a silly person who doesn't understand the scientific method
9div/h for alc and go is median in every league. Go check previous league mechanics. Some leagues have more some less but it's all connected to that league. Too many stuff changes per league to actually do a fair comparison.
Comparing this league to anything that came before is kind of useless and pointless in my opinion. I can not go back and play PoE 3.16 or 3.21 or 3.24. I look at what I can farm in this league with a strat right now and that's it. Looking at the past and being annoyed that you make less than last league or 3 leagues ago doesn't matter. In addition, the scarab changes in 3.24 Necropolis changed a lot, that comparisons are difficult to make.
The problem is that about 2/3 of your loot is from t17 maps and scarabs and then the rest of the stuff is a ton of random junk that will be a nightmare to sell. T17 maps and scarabs are kinda ground loot but they are so consistent and predictable that it may as well be tile loot. You get a t17 every 15 normal t16 maps that drop and that number is very correlated to map quant and magic/rares, scarabs are similar. I think the issue is that valuable currency / items have such insanely low drop rates in non tile situations. I've made hundreds of divines this league but I've only seen two of them drop in maps. I've seen one eldritch chaos/annul and zero valuable uniques in maps. There's just not much that is worth picking up when most is worth less than 1/175th of a divine orb.
Alch and go just isn't a viable currency making strategy. You're supposed to use scarabs, there are so many cheap scarabs, you don't have to use expensive ones balanced around hyperjuicing strategies. Put these 1c scarabs to use, add elder packs, add shrines, add red beasts, Jun stuff, whatever. More juice = more drops. Mechanics without support on your tree and a scarab aren't even worth bothering with. You see a random expedition encounter, skip it ffs, it will drop one logbook per 20 maps. They changed scarabs in a drastic way in 3.24, added many drop rate supports to the tree, you generally have a crap ton of them after 2-3 days of mapping. Also getting them from currency exchange is very easy now. As is liquidating overpriced ones you're certainly not going to use on basic maps.
The absurd level of denial in the comments in the face of facts is just staggering. You can farm headhunter in less than 20 hours doing yellow maps and people are still complaining that they cannot earn anything. Open more Valdo Boxes guys.
I think I haven't opened a single Valdo's Box this league 😅I sold all of mine. Either way, yes, you can farm a Headhunter relatively easy, but it takes time and I personally wouldn't think it's possible in yellow maps, but that would be an interesting challenge 🤔
@@traitretrudeau2367 No. Said the guy who has mageblood, origanal sin and a couple more 200+ divnes self crafted items. Making money is way easier than it was a few years ago. You can do almost anything and make money these days.
0:57 what i love about my mouse is it have a button when hold it spam left click. That especially useful to collect stuff like harbinger and harvest. This game really need a way to combine stuff or give us way to aoe collect stuff. Ooor Eu goverment can force them XD It not a joke it kind of health issue after all
I hope there are a few things coming now that Mark is in charge of PoE 1. This leagues QoL changes are already a life changer, but I hope there is a lot more when it comes to loot and minimizing clicks. I think Last Epoch does it well with picking up materials that you use to craft. If multiple of the same type are nearby, you pick all of them up by clicking once. Very neat 👌
@@DanielTheExiled this league i played ultimatum and i think entire ultimatum stash tab need rework as well it need lots of qol stuff. I have a cool design in my head (i'm indie game dev) should i design it like with photoshop or something and try to send it to ggg? If so i dont know how :D Because current ultimatum stash tab is joke compare to what it could be. We need lots of qol stuff. One of them is that already in the game as function called refund or respect all passives. Why we cant have it? Just tell me how many regret i need for total respec.
Doesn't take into account how much of the currency earned came from altars and reward tiles from league mechanics instead of actual ground loot. I wouldn't call ground loot broken, but it definitely took a hit compared too last league. It's very noticable and expected with the way they nerfed quant this league.
Edit: Overlooked the fact he skipped league mechanics. Though my point is still valid, with simple alch and go farming, most of the currency is expected to come from red altars.
That is a very good point that I overlooked. Thanks for pointing that out.
If you look at my streams, which I'll add into the description now - sorry I forgot - you can see how much I earned.
From the RF Chieftain project on Sunday, I had 23 div and 144c net profit. That doesn't include the very roughly assumed 5~ divines to buy and roll maps, fragments and scarabs.
And you can remove an additional 4~ divines from that net profit, because they came from Embers and the Invitations.
Still, I always assumed that Alch and Go means you are running Atlars/Influence.
But this clashes with the title and overall topic of the video.
In the end, bad on my end, trying to bring out a video in less than 2 days, instead of working on it for a bit longer.
Beside that, I hope the video shows that there is a low investment strat that the average person can do.
@@DanielTheExiled Super fair, I was about to comment something pretty negative as this video is fantastic, but it completely misses the definition of ground loot.
Last League had allflame bonuses by default on maps and many of them were quant and rarity bonuses you could swap between monsters.
And the League prior was... Affliction.
Ground loot hasnt changed. People don't remember Necropolis mechanics because everybody dropped earlier than usual.
@@trackts Thx for reminding me of something I hadn't taken into account at all, because I'm an idiot. Also I definitely didn't play countless leagues before necropolis and affliction, so I have absolutely no reference and no idea what I'm talking about.
On a serious note, do you really think their changes to quant on monsters has no effect on ground loot? If yes then what content are you playing?
Why do you think wisps have close to zero influence on drops? Why do you think when you're putting quant back on monsters, for example through titanic scarabs on rogue exiles, wisps all of a sudden have a very noticable effect on drops?
I could give you more examples of how ground loot has been effected, but I don't want to write an essay.
@@DanielTheExiled you havent talked about ground loot at all, the bulk of your loot is maps lol which is not ground lot and hasnt been hit by the nerf. In 1h of my strat in graveyard maps pre 3.25, i was dropping 340 the unions cards , that was on average 4 brother's gift, 4 brother's stash for 340 unions, so 20divine, 20 exalted and 480 gemcutter prism solely in cards, now i dont event think i can get 1 brother's card per hour
Disclaimer: What I'm about to say isnt meant to denigrate players who play slowly and who care less about currency/hour. You can play the game however you like. No one is telling you that you must play a certain way or that if you dont make a certain div/hour then you arent good. Everyone plays differently. What follows is targeted at those who have the ability and desire to make more currency than just alch and go.
Having said that, 9 div/hour is not good for where the game is today. The game has evolved to the point where if you arent able to reach 12+ div/hour then you're just doing something wrong. This is why ground loot sucks. Not because it doesnt exist or because it doesnt make ANY currency, but more because you could do literally anything else in the game WITH scarabs and make sometimes 2 - 3x what you would make without scarabs.
In conclusion, Reddit cries about literally everything and blows everything out of proportion, but they are correct at a base level. Alch and go, no scarabs or only sac frags is a dead strategy if you compare it to where it was in previous leagues and how much currency can be made now with the advent of the scarab changes. You are better suited to specing into something on the atlas passive tree and then using the respective scarabs and there is no debate. Again, you can play the game how you want. If you want to alch and go, you can. You will make currency. You will just be leaving currency on the table for not much more effort or investment.
Oh, 100%.
Using a good combination of scarabs usually provides more loot. I learned this years ago thanks to Grimro and his Legion currency farming guide.
This Alch n Go strat came from wanting to see if ground loot is broken, but also, because I dislike most other league mechanics in the game and can't do them with my build - Deadeye Lightning Arrow.
In addition, Toxic Sewer is the best map to also grab gold passively, which is why I run it. The gold and my issues with it should be coming out next week. It will explain why I run Toxic Sewer exclusively since league start.
But to say it again, you are right and a few basic scarabs including a proper Atlas Skill Tree will reward someone with more than "just" 9 divs/hour.
For anyone who read this far, here is Crouching Tuna's currency farming video, which is a very helpful Google Doc linked in the description: ua-cam.com/video/GTwmE06iV3A/v-deo.html
@@DanielTheExiled Appreciate the response, looking forward to your next video
Great video! Love to see newer creators in the community making content like this.
This proves absolutely nothing?? Where is the data from prior leagues to compare? What a silly video by a silly person who doesn't understand the scientific method
9div/h for alc and go is median in every league. Go check previous league mechanics. Some leagues have more some less but it's all connected to that league. Too many stuff changes per league to actually do a fair comparison.
Comparing this league to anything that came before is kind of useless and pointless in my opinion. I can not go back and play PoE 3.16 or 3.21 or 3.24.
I look at what I can farm in this league with a strat right now and that's it. Looking at the past and being annoyed that you make less than last league or 3 leagues ago doesn't matter.
In addition, the scarab changes in 3.24 Necropolis changed a lot, that comparisons are difficult to make.
The problem is that about 2/3 of your loot is from t17 maps and scarabs and then the rest of the stuff is a ton of random junk that will be a nightmare to sell. T17 maps and scarabs are kinda ground loot but they are so consistent and predictable that it may as well be tile loot. You get a t17 every 15 normal t16 maps that drop and that number is very correlated to map quant and magic/rares, scarabs are similar. I think the issue is that valuable currency / items have such insanely low drop rates in non tile situations. I've made hundreds of divines this league but I've only seen two of them drop in maps. I've seen one eldritch chaos/annul and zero valuable uniques in maps. There's just not much that is worth picking up when most is worth less than 1/175th of a divine orb.
btw love the f2p video you did hopefully you do a lot more f2p projects
Alch and go just isn't a viable currency making strategy. You're supposed to use scarabs, there are so many cheap scarabs, you don't have to use expensive ones balanced around hyperjuicing strategies. Put these 1c scarabs to use, add elder packs, add shrines, add red beasts, Jun stuff, whatever. More juice = more drops. Mechanics without support on your tree and a scarab aren't even worth bothering with. You see a random expedition encounter, skip it ffs, it will drop one logbook per 20 maps.
They changed scarabs in a drastic way in 3.24, added many drop rate supports to the tree, you generally have a crap ton of them after 2-3 days of mapping. Also getting them from currency exchange is very easy now. As is liquidating overpriced ones you're certainly not going to use on basic maps.
Well, as this video shows, it sure is a viable strategy :)
I mean you summarized the video in the opening 5 second. 'Who thinks ground loot is broken?' , people in reddit. Doesn't need further clarification?
I mean, the title says it too, but up to you if you want to take the 6 minutes to watch the video and find out why it isn't broken 😅
The absurd level of denial in the comments in the face of facts is just staggering. You can farm headhunter in less than 20 hours doing yellow maps and people are still complaining that they cannot earn anything. Open more Valdo Boxes guys.
I think I haven't opened a single Valdo's Box this league 😅I sold all of mine.
Either way, yes, you can farm a Headhunter relatively easy, but it takes time and I personally wouldn't think it's possible in yellow maps, but that would be an interesting challenge 🤔
said the guy who came here for confirmation bias...
@@traitretrudeau2367 No. Said the guy who has mageblood, origanal sin and a couple more 200+ divnes self crafted items. Making money is way easier than it was a few years ago. You can do almost anything and make money these days.
0:57 what i love about my mouse is it have a button when hold it spam left click. That especially useful to collect stuff like harbinger and harvest. This game really need a way to combine stuff or give us way to aoe collect stuff. Ooor Eu goverment can force them XD It not a joke it kind of health issue after all
I hope there are a few things coming now that Mark is in charge of PoE 1. This leagues QoL changes are already a life changer, but I hope there is a lot more when it comes to loot and minimizing clicks.
I think Last Epoch does it well with picking up materials that you use to craft. If multiple of the same type are nearby, you pick all of them up by clicking once. Very neat 👌
@@DanielTheExiled this league i played ultimatum and i think entire ultimatum stash tab need rework as well it need lots of qol stuff. I have a cool design in my head (i'm indie game dev) should i design it like with photoshop or something and try to send it to ggg? If so i dont know how :D Because current ultimatum stash tab is joke compare to what it could be. We need lots of qol stuff. One of them is that already in the game as function called refund or respect all passives. Why we cant have it? Just tell me how many regret i need for total respec.
ground loot? more like trashs loots
First? ❤