Responding to Alistair Begg’s HIGHLY Controversial Counsel
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
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Recently, Alistair Begg made the case that attending a family member’s unbiblical wedding may be the compassionate thing to do. In this video, Todd respectfully offers his perspective on this issue as a Bible-believing Christian.
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I was in this situation a year ago with my son and was torn between going because I love him and not going because of my conviction. I struggled with it for months. I didn’t go because I knew God would not be pleased in me affirming transgenderism. Both the little children of his new wife claim to be “transgender”, and they were in the bridal party standing in opposite positions of their real gender. The son as a bridesmaid and the daughter a groomsman. My son disowned me, but my love for God is greater. A year later, he’s back in my life and his wife says she respects my steadfastness in my faith. I was a witness for Christ in not going.
Praise God.
It takes faith (trust) to do the will of God and wait...
And it's also always an excellent witness for Christ who did the will of God.
It says "I'm trusting God, no matter what. Even if I *seem* to lose everything".
Perfect comment that should be pinned to the top. ❤
Hats off! This isn’t fun or easy, but what is expected in this evil world. I’m so sorry one pastor made so light of this matter that was and is hard for you. You honor God. Keep praying!! He’s a great big God who loves you.❤️
Wow this is a perfect comment!! You are an inspiration!! This should be shared as an answer to those who support Alistair Begg! I also made an Alistair Begg video before Wretched made it! I use the exact SAME arguments and biblical explanation as you!
THE LORD IS GOOD!!! AMEN!!!☝🏼
I had this same situation in my family. My sister was marrying a transgender "man". She wanted my 2 year old daughter(at the time) to be the flower girl. I had just become a Christian only under a year before being confronted with this. My sister tried to bribe me with a position in the wedding too. I told her no I would not be coming and neither would my daughter. My wife and I planted seeds in my sister about Christ. After years of trama and abuse mental and physical from the trans "man" my sister finally ended the relationship. She finally met a good man and they are married now and have 2 kids. My sister thanked me quietly for making the stand and not going to the wedding. She says that it always bothered her that I was so against that wedding because of my convictions. My sister now is a Christian and understands the position I took those many years ago. Our relationship has been healed.
And while I'm sure you continued to love her in the interim, it was NOT your job to "build bridges" and makes sure YOU kept the relationship going and that YOU weren't vilified; you obeyed God and He did the rest. Begg should have remembered that as much as he himself may want people saved, God wants that far more. He's Sovereign and perfectly capable of restoring relationships - or not - as He sees fit.
@@jerilowehowell6015 absolutely. It all happened in His time. I just made sure I stayed true to what God was telling me. It's turned out better than I could have hoped. My sister and I have a better relationship now than even back when we were kids.
What a story with a wonderful ending!
Praise God!
Praise the Lord!
We are called to love them, not affirm their blasphemy
If we attend we affirm their blasphemy
If you don't go Feeble-Mind and Ignorant may be taken hostage by the enemy.
Let's not cheapen the word blasphemy-- they're engaging in sin, but not that sin.
@@paulozeruga8454 What affirmations come from being present? Please explain how present and protesting affirms.
@@TheTrenchesYTit is that sin. All sin is an act of blaspheming God. You probably should take sin much more seriously
Much respect for the way you handled this Todd. Even though you disagree with him, you handled it like a true brother in Christ should. We disagree in love and continue to pray for each other. 🙏
I felt like he handled the issue with kid gloves because the guy in question is a famous preacher. He needs a sharp rebuke.
In the story of The prodigal son, the loving father doesn't go out seeking his son and celebrating his debauchery with him. He waits expectedly with open arms and open heart until his son returns. Then he is welcomed ceremoniously!
I was thinking the same when I heard him say that. God bless
Excuse me, would Jesus go to a trans wedding the answer is no!!!!!
@@Christ-is-King- What would Jesus do? He wouldn't go to a trans wedding, I don't care who he is,he's a man that's flawed! That's why we can't look to Man we have to look to Jesus! He doesn't make mistakes, but men do I do!
Hosea went looking for Gomer, his adulterous wife. Jesus went out after the one lost sheep.
Plus he ate with sinners according to the Pharisees. He didn't 'sin' with sinners, but he ate with them.
@@Perktube1 He ate with them to seek to bring them the truth, not to affirm or endorse their behavior.
As Christians, what is going on with the LTBQ+ community and the government, has done catastrophic damage to the institution of Faith. This has been a decades long coordinated assault to break down traditional marriage, the core of the western world's strength under God.. No, we should not be supporting or endorsing LGTBQ+ efforts, DEI, or any of these other post modern marxist aims to destroy the western world.
"Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret." This bears on the subject.
TRUTH
Oh. Yes, this is the verse here,
That passage was talking about Christians. We are not told to divorce ourselves from all people who live in the world.
@@TheTrenchesYT , Huh? What part of "unfruitful deeds of darkness'" are you not concerned about? BTW, read the whole passage again and assess whether this is just about Christians. The passage is about what we as Christians are associated with. Perhaps "Love not the world neither the things that are in the world" has less bite than it used to have.
Not participating in peoples' vow to continue in sin, is very different to not divorcing ourselves from people in the world. Jesus was a friend of sinners and prostitutes, but he never sat in a brothel as a silent onlooker.@@TheTrenchesYT
I got caught up in Alistair’s response sermon. I still can see his reason. However, now, after hearing responses by people I respect, I definitely understand why I think Alistair is not correct in his opinion on this issue. Thank you for not condemning this fine pastor and giving the biblical perspective regarding the truth of the matter. I pray God directs him back on track quickly.
I felt the same way. But after listening to Todd, I can understand it more clearly. His reference to Ephesians 5:11 was very helpful. We just need to pray for Alistair. Thanks for your comment.
Same...
His response sermon was even worse than his original advice. He doubled down in a stubborn, prideful way, calling his critics Pharisees and latent homosexuals. He insulted American Evangelicals while sanctimoniously wrapping himself in the "more nuanced" robes of British Evangelicalism. No doubt the Corinthians whom Paul rebuked thought themselves highly nuanced when they put up with a young man sinning sexually with his father's wife.
Amen . Lord of creation and order, please open Alistars eyes and weigh his heart with conviction
@@jonathantackyou are far more kind and patient than I am. These kinds of dullards are the problem - unable to think critically or with discernment themselves. 😢 they’ll always be complete led by any emotional rhetoric which resonates with them. Good Christians won’t say this, but I’m a lousy one so I’ll just say it bluntly.
I have a wayward daughter who married a woman. My wife and I refused to attend the wedding (as lovingly as we could - yet firmly). We are willing to love her through our differences, but she has cut off all contact. Our door remains open, and we reach out frequently. Please pray for her soul.
And, I think that is why Alistair gave the advice to the Grandmother that he did...to show the grandchild that even in her sin she was still loved. She still has a chance at sharing the gospel with her grandchild AND their "spouse"
@@rebeccaotis8056 and what of the gospel that tells the grandchild to repent and believe? How serious do you think that the grandchild will take the gospel when they are called to repentance? If the grandchild "accepts the Lord" and then wants to be baptized and then join a church what then?? Does the whole church need to receive him/her into fellowship? If they don't does that send the message that he/she AND their spouse aren't loved?
So hard but I believe you did the right thing. The day she returns, she will know your faith has integrity. Christopher Yuan has some good teaching on this and shares his journey. Somehow we gloss over the reality that Jesus taught to follow Him would divide family. He is very clear on this. Why do we think we can outlove God by doing what we think is best (attending and being a “witness” at these ceremonies). Such a hard line and heart wrenching. Praying for your daughter while you wait and love.
@@willowbrook2717
Well said.
@rebeccaotis8056 No not their spouse in the eyes of God. Marriage is a Godly act, when the state steps in God doesn't have to honor that marriage. As for believers, we have way to many who compromise, so they don't lose their children. They're lost anyways already. But in reality steadfastness brings children to back later to God not compromise.
The grandmother was already believing this was sinful to affirm the wedding by her presence. That’s why she was surprised at his advice. Did that not cause her to go against her conscience?
Exactly. If she did this she sinned twice.
Yes indeed it did. That's why Alistair's advice isn't just bad, it's sinful.
This is the first criticism I've seen that I think is compelling
Did y'all hear AB's rebellious tone when he said, "Im not ready to repent over this because I DONT HAVE TO?" Slippery slope detected 😂
good question
do we know if the grandmother took that advice?
Takes courage to call out someone you know personally. It is the right thing to do. May God bless you and may Mr Begg listen to wise counsel.
It takes courage to call someone out to their face, one on one, not in a video. Matthew 18(step 1)
@@purpose8141The Bible instructs followers of Jesus to rebuke, correct, and teach fellow believers for the glory of God and for our sanctification.
@@purpose8141 He may have called him or AB is not answering to anyone.
@@purpose8141 Mr. Begg has already been directly addressed about the issue. He gave his response publicly. Todd is reacting to that publicly. Matt 18 does not mean every single person who see another in sin has to go individually even after they know others have already confronted them and they've rejected it.
@@drdameron999 Ah, ok. Todd did not say that, or if he did, I missed it. Thank you.
"You are attending a vow that those two people are making to CONTINUE in sin." Good point, comment from Becket Cook Show.
They can make no vow in an institution that doesn't exist. A vow in sin is sin and void.
Beckett Dealt with this in such a gentle way.
Thank you Todd Friel! You did explain this matter in a very sensitive way! So sorry for Pastor Alistair Begg. Should not be published everywhere. He is a compassionate person. He is a Believer in Christ and we need to be loving towards him as his brothers and sisters even when he is wrong.
Thank you! It's nice to hear some compassionate words to him. We need to pray for him, he's still our brother in Christ.
Love does not celebrate wrongdoing.
@@MonVonalot Attendance is tacit celebration at the very least. It may also destroy weaker brothers and sisters.
Uh-oh. You nailed it!
Foolish love
How can you be said to be disapproving of a wedding that you attend? It's like telling someone you don't approve of their stealing but volunteering to drive the get away car. Actions always speak louder than words. @@MonVonalot
It is indeed "that simple", and "THAT complex"!
Bottom line - we walk with Jesus and stand on and in His solid Word!
My wife made a very good point, and one that as far as I know, no one has made yet. The grandchild, we assume knew the views of grandma, ought to have said, "I understand that you won't be able to attend. I love you, so don't feel torn for not being there.
We cannot expect the same behavior from unsaved people as we do from our brothers and sisters in Christ.
@@jenniferr.hutson3581 Right. Ordinarily the lost want all their decisions to be approved of because they don't see their actions as sinful.
dougthful she would do that
Your wife is correct. That is grandchild that loves her grandmother! Her grandmother should have given her a hug and told her that her understanding was appreciated why she would NOT attend. I don’t understand her needing to talk to minister, she had the Bible and the Comforter for reassurance. Alistair should have guided her to prayer and given her the scriptures for her to lookup.
Even though the grandchild knew the grandmothers position, some in this lifestyle, want the approval of a Christian to say 'see she's a Christian and she came' or just to show other Christians that they might be wrong because this Christian came. It can be a divisive thing which we have seen in enlarger groups. It's great to read these other comments where family members lovingly explained and didn't attend and then later the person in this lifestyle came to know Lord.
This is the best response regarding the situation with brother Alistair that I have seen.
Thank you brother Todd for your clear, godly, biblical, and loving response.
Every blessing in the Lord Jesus,
John
Yes, indeed
Praying for pastor Alistair. Hope he understands the error soon.
what error? How many weddings have you attended where one of the parties was either a heathen or divorced? Do you have illegitimate relatives that you attend their birthday parties? Do you attend work parties where unbiblical activities (alcohol consumption) take place?
The reason why podcasts are carrying more weight than the local preaching is because the pastors aren't addressing these issues and people want answers.
Amen!
Though it did seem like he was originally talking about someone from his own congregation.
I agree that the local church needs to address such tough decisions in today's world.
I disagree, seems like it is for likes and clicks
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True, but the local church should still be the main source of spiritual guidance. What we need is to ask our pastors for more love grounded in truth, not in feelings.
I read this in some comments and 💯 agree.
"Do not allow your compassion to cause you to compromise God's clear commands".
We are not more compassionate than God.
"Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness." (Gal. 6:1)
Thank you, Todd, for doing it in just that way.🙏🏻
But Todd wasn't gracious with Thabiti that way. Why? Because Alistair was right in his accusations, but he was wrong in his advice.
There is an aggressive Christian Nationalism in our country that's not Christianity at all. There's also an aggressive Christian liberalism in this country that's not Christianity at all. Thus exposing our hypocrisy. We are so fearful of death that we coward to the culture. Gid isn't please with our Christian universities, our conferences our fake separation of Church and State ect...The Church has tried to cushion our experience, but not the Apostles. They had a death sentence on their heads. Alistair was right when he said be careful when your pastor takes a moral issue and use it as a campaign cry. That's what the cry for pro life is. Although I agree with pro life, but where was this cry from conservatives when plan parenthood was being placed in bkack communities.
Psalm 58:3
@@noone8118 we are talking about Todd and Alistair. They are believers.
@jacquidan01 youre right brother
Years ago I refused to attend a baby shower for an unmarried couple. I felt the party affirmed the relationship. Many of my Christian friends were angry at me.
I think that's a different matter. A child is a gift, the child doesn't bear the sin of their parents and deserves to have its life celebrated. I mean where would it end? You wouldn't attend its birthday parties because they celebrate another year of their life, a life that was concieved in a sinful union?
@@littleboots9800 I sent a gift to the child. I just attend the party
@@wanda520 I'm glad you sent a gift. That was good. The child is precious irrespective of how they came to be, the gift sends that message even if you didn't attend.
I love Alister Begg. Prayers for him.
I love him, too, and will continue to follow him.
Same. I've listened to him for......shoot, 20 plus years now. I disagree with him here and am now just a little guarded listening.
@@scottwall8419guard and discern from now on based upon his response
Follow Jesus @@margrose5
@@scottwall8419 But I think that is a good thing, because too often we just accept what we hear without checking it ourselves, I think is a good wake up call for everyone, don't be asleep at the wheel, run everything passed Scripture and pray for the men of God who teach in His name.
You don’t stay away from your grandchild you love him you just don’t go to the “wedding”.
Exactly!
yup.
When you start to compromise where does it end? Especially when you have influence as a pastor?
First it isn't a Salvational issue and second what would you have said/thought about Jesus having dinner with sinners?! I'll bet you would sound just like the Pharisees did!! PS I am against gay wedding and marriage.
@@tomroyal6167 Where did Jesus draw the line? In the sand! You can still convey your beliefs against gay marriage but it's still love the sinner and hate the sin!
Very gracious response to a man we both have great love and respect for. Alistair is a brother in Christ and you walked the tightrope in addressing the situation.
Todd, I have listened to Alistair for a long time. He recently did sermons on Romans 1 and specifically touched on his views toward homosexuality. I found his reasoning to be biblical in that he does not affirm the lifestyle but as a Christian we must love them.
But that does not mean affirming the sin or celebrating it, which attending a false ‘gay wedding’ would be doing. You would be showing more love to them by staying away, explaining why but assuring them of your care and concern. For don’t forget, those who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God.
I had this EXACT discussion with a sisterinlaw and a son. I clearly stated my beliefs were biblical and based upon the Word I could not support a same sex wedding of a nephew. They did not argue or diswade my response. It was a real surprise they challenged me and the Holy Spirit really spoke through me! Sooo thankful I was ready and didn't even know it! Thank you soooo much for your kindness to this pastor and the CLARITY you provided!!!😊
Thank you for being so kind, thoughtful, and respectful about this painful issue.
Oh how i miss RC!!!! He would say “what’s wrong with you people???!!!”
Thanks for saying it in his absence! ❤
RC said that about believers not knowing who God is, and he would say that about the distortion of the Gospel. I do not think he would raise attending a homosexual wedding to the same degree
the older one gets the softer their heart is towards these issues and you start compromising. solomon is the greatest example on this
Tony Campolo got soft, too, and caved on gay marriage. It was his age.
Yes I noticed this. I’m also very compassionate so I love Todd’s response. Conviction over compassion
A most interesting comment. Solomon is truly baffling case. Will we see him in heaven? (I think we will.) Truly wise... Truly foolish... Yes that reminds me of Alistar right now....
No, it's a character issue.
Very well articulated Pastor Todd. I myself has been grappling with Alistair Begg's advise. Thank you for your knowledge and insight. You truly are a well versed Bible expositor. God bless you.
Know the Scripture and the truth of the Word of God for yourself! Allow the Holy Spirit to give you discernment and wisdom.
And his compassionate tone toward AB is real compassion.
Todd is not a pastor, FYI.
Yea but from someone who has spent so long in teaching and reading from the Bible. We expect more from our elders and when corrected not to double down
Proverbs 15:32
“He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.”
All i can think is how many times I've gone off the rails, not immediately repented, but eventually came to my senses, and God in His mercy forgave me after i repented after humbling myself. I got to do this all privately. I can't imagine how hard it would be to do publicly. Just prayn for this brother in Christ to realise his error, repent, ask God for forgiveness, accept His forgiveness that God through Jesus' death and resurrecting has promised and continue on his journey with Jesus.
True, yes, this is all of us. But Begg has been called to be above repraoch (1 Timothy) in his pastoral position.
The fact is when you are a pastor and you lead others to sin it's very serious.
Yours, my brother, was the DEFINITIVE response to this very unfortunate situation. I think God is very pleased.
Before you go patting Wretched on the back you should think about how this makes Christians look to the unsaved. And YOU do not get to say if God is "well-pleased", because you don't have all the info and don't know Wretched's heart.
2:46
According to the Lord Jesus, what's in the heart flows out of the mouth. Todd showed how to lovingly disagree, how to disagree agreeably. I've met Alistair and have sat under his teaching for years. He is a modern day titan of the faith, and in the spiritual Cooperstown. But he would be the FIRST to tell you that he is just a man and just as susceptible to all of the foibles that comes with being on this side of glorification. Given his status in the evangelical world, a response was not only inevitable, it was necessary. His unbiblical advice to that grandmother has done great harm to those of us who are taking some very unpopular stands against the types of sinful behaviors that have taken center stage in our country. He really messed up, plain and simple. Indeed, John MacArthur, another titan, often laments that he has written books in which he made some assertions that years later, as he grew in his faith, he no longer agrees with. As a result, he has a couple of books on the market that contradict each other. It happens. When it involves folks like you and me, few people are the wiser. But when men like John and Alistair grow, it's out there for all the world to see. Unfortunately for our very dear brother Alistair Begg, he not only gave very unsound advice, his defense for giving such advice, like Todd (and others) pointed out, was a debacle of Scripture interpretation and application. I'm going to add a very heartfelt, loving and appreciative hug to that pat on the back. Way to go, Wretched.
I say the prodigal son is vastly different and on a completely different path of repentance, return, and restoration. The father never ran after the son when the son was leaving or still living in sin. It was only after the son made a turn towards home that the father ran towards him to welcome him home. How someone of Begg's theological standing does not grasps that is baffling but his teaching has blessed me way more than this one issue I disagree on.
Surely he has done a sermon on the prodigal son before? And if he has I wonder how it would compare to this recent sermon? His congregates applauded him. Not sure why you would applaud him, but they did.
Yes even I understand that. It's shocking.
Alistair needs to come up with a better Scripture to justify his thinking.
And the father didn't follow him into the debauched parties that lost his wealth.
@@tomroyal6167There is none! Be a pleaser of God and not man!
Thank you for this Todd. I have been massively blessed by Allistair's ministry. I want him to see this more clearly so I will pray thus.
I never thought I would have to choose between my 43 year old son and God. But that is exactly what my son asked me to do during pride month last June. He gave me the month of June to decide whether I would embrace his trans lifestyle. He said that I needed to acknowledge that he is now a female and my daughter...not my son. I told him that I could not do that because that would go against my faith, and acknowledging him as a female would be a lie. Doing so would change my relationship with God, and I can never celebrate what God doesn’t. He has cut contact with me and has requested that I don't reach out to him unless I change my mind. My mother’s heart is breaking, but I feel God’s strength to stand firm on this. My biggest prayer is for his salvation. Powerful verse...
Acts 26:18
to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.
That is my prayer for all that are caught up in a lifestyle that dishonors God.
I hope you're doing well, this is heartbreaking to hear.
@archerj2010 Thank you! So many prayers. I have hope!
And if grandma attends the wedding and the officiating person asks the audience "does anyone have any reason that these two should not be joined together in HOLY matrimony, speak now or forever hold your peace", what exactly should grandma do? Does she speak up and be disruptive to the ceremony? Does she hold her peace and therefore never again express the sinfulness of the union? By holding her peace, is she now a partaker of the evil of the union?
Why not? Jesus was invited to a Pharisee's house, declined washing his hands as a part of ritual ceremonial cleansing, and then denounced everything the Pharisee's were doing (Luke 11:37-54).
@@ZMZMNC I am just wondering if grandma would have the fortitude to do that, and if not, if she could live with the regret of having gone and not speaking up. His counsel puts grandma in a very hard spot.
@@MrsBaird-gf1rx Well Grandma needs some faith. 😜 In all seriousness, the situation depends if Grandma should go or not. Is she going to the ceremony to just keep her family? Is she going to evangelize and make a statement about faith? Is she going in love or not going in love? Unfortunately taking Grandma's situation at a local congregation and investigating it on a global level on UA-cam does not follow Matthew 18 protocol. Wretched and all these other UA-cam channels should stop posting every argument online and instead have one on one conversations with these pastors if they have a problem (not sure if they have). These channels seem to cause more divisions than necessary.
Thank you Todd you always explain everything so clearly. I worry about the souls of people that are led to hell because of pastors who are not strong to defend the truth.
Peoples salvation does not depend on pastors , strong , truthful or otherwise .
It is Gods Holy Spirit who does ALL of the work of convicting someone of their sin , regenerating their spirit , bringing them to repentance and faith and giving them eternal life as the chosen children of Almighty God .
John 6;44
Ephesians 2;8-10
Please read and believe the doctrines of election and Gods sovereignty and you will worry no more .
Read Romans 8;28 and in fact the whole chapter for comfort and then hit chapter nine while you’re at it .
May the Lord God Almighty bless you mightily , and your house !
@malcolms crivener8750 Jesus surely condemned the (false) shepherds of Israel. He said that they are the blind leading the blind and if you follow them you will fall into a pit. Their actions were leading people to hell. You cannot separate responsibility from the sovereignty of God.
@@paulhovan5466 The sovereignty of God trumps everything else .
We pray that His will is done on earth as it is in heaven .
Either Man is in control or the Lord is .
His Word says that He is , so don’t argue back !
@@malcolmscrivener8750 You are are correct, but within God's sovereignty he has written human actions, and humans are responsible for the actions they have taken. We don't know what those actions are ahead of time, so when we make a decision it is a real decision, and we are responsible for our actions. But God already ordained that action.
@@paulhovan5466 Paul , thank you for your comments .
Most of all I thank Almighty God for revealing the truth to me and saving me .
I speak severely to people who are in rebellion against the Lord , because they don’t realise that the consequences they will suffer are very severe .
Atheists , Arminians and other heretical cultists . with the myriad of pagan , works righteousness based religions of satans kingdom , have no realisation of the eternal danger they are in .
Therefore, as I remember how I used to despise and scorn “ Bible Bashers “ before the Holy Spirit regenerated me by giving me the fear of the Lord , and drawing me to a saving relationship with Him , I know as one of His children , that only straight speaking of the truth is required .
We are to rise above the fear of Man , as God is our Saviour and friend who alone we want to please , always remembering the hopeless position of the lost and dying souls around us
Wishy washy , mealy mouthed platitudes were not used by the Lord Jesus Christ and “ loving
people into the Kingdom “ is satans delight .
All men everywhere are commanded to repent and believe the Gospel of salvation or suffer the consequences of their rejection of Him .
However at the same time , salvation is of the
LORD !
Thank you for handling this with the care you did.
I admire your respect towards Alistair Begg and I agree he has compassion. I have been to many weddings where the bride was pregnant, lived with her boyfriend, or had children already. Where is the outrage over that??? Our church has given many baby showers to pregnant brides. I can’t turn my back on a man who served God well for so many years. If you feel convicted by the Holy Spirit not to attend these kinds of weddings then listen to the Holy Spirit…but if you feel compelled to be salt and light in the darkness by the Holy Spirit then do that! I will pray for Alistair Begg he is my brother in Christ!
God calls us to compassion not acceptance of those who refuse to repent.
As for me...I think I will keep listening to Truth for Life. If I don't agree with one thing that is said, well I have my own Bible too. Begg's podcasts are needed in our world. Respectful conversation is also worth listening. Thanks.
Me too!
Yeeeees! Alistair had a big impact with my growth so I still love him and continue to listento him. Everyone makes mistakes.
Yep, people should be able to listen to someone and not have to agree with everything they say. Now, if Begg keeps putting forward bad ideas about the LGBTQ mafia, then I won't give him the time of day. Right now, I don't see anything he has said or done as too egregious
Matthew 10:34-39 NIV
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--- a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.
Matthew 9.9 - 13 ESV
_"As Jesus passed on from there, he saw a man called Matthew sitting at the tax booth, and he said to him, “Follow me.” And he rose and followed him."_
_"And as Jesus reclined at table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were reclining with Jesus and his disciples. And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" But when he heard it, he said, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. Go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.""_
@@rubiks6 So you think grandma should go and stand up and preach the Gospel? It's a take, I guess.
@@jerilowehowell6015 - Keep your sarcasm to yourself. It's not a very Christ-like way to interact.
@@rubiks6That’s a bad example and you bringing up that moment shows you didn’t watch this entire video where Todd brings up that exact point and says that’s not the same as attending a sinful event. Jesus sat down and eat with sinners but he didn’t participate in their sinful actions. He didn’t go around with Matthew and force people into paying their taxes to the Roman Empire and he didn’t affirm the sinful actions of the prostitutes. Gods word is final and he does not appreciate anyone twisting it just to fit in with the modern culture.
@@jameskfouri1896 - I could not care less about "modern culture." In fact, I am disgusted by anything having to do with homosexuality but, like Alister Begg, I am interested in souls. This woman has a specific relationship with her granddaughter and Alister Begg was interested in keeping that line of communication open. It was made clear that the "wedding" was not condoned by the grandmother.
If you want to avoid sinners, you had better stay away from yourself. In Matthew 9.12 - 13, Jesus made it clear why he ate dinner with those sinners. Your own motives should be the same.
Yes, God's Word is final. The Holy Spirit chose to include the narrative of Jesus eating dinner with sinners in God's Word.
_"God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were_ *yet sinners,* _Christ died for us."_
- Romans 5.8 (KJV) (Emphasis added.)
Thank you Todd for this. I am living my life in the world but not of the world and I do it with the power of the Holy Spirit. I believe God is sovereign and I am in awe of Him. Thus, I have chosen to live my life in obedience to God which is told through the bible and leave the outcome to Him. So, I will not attend the wedding. When my dad died, his Buddhist wake was over the sabbath and I chose to go to church and then return to the wake. It was against the Chinese culture but God is greater than culture. The people I knew scorned at me but God is above all this. It takes alot to be in the world and not of the world but our God is the creator of the world, I choose to obey my creator…😊
Todd, I appreciate your careful approach and that you took your time in being clear. Thank you for this discussion.
This situation really breaks my heart. I have grown to love Pastor Begg over the past 2-3 years. I have sat (online) under his teachings and listened to at least 300+ of his sermons. I love his teaching style. But there is a biblical line that cannot be crossed. Although I still love him, I cannot and will not stand by him on this issue. I will pray for him that somewhere down the road he rethinks his statement. This situation clearly shows me that the line we are on is getting smaller and smaller. One day, we will all have to stand for the truth. At what line will you compromise? We can't be too arrogant as to think we are that faithful. We must be alert and watch!
before you cast the first stone, think long and hard about how many times you crossed the line.
Yes, smaller and smaller
Everyone has blind spots , and it’s interesting to witness them form over the years. Yes compassion , but yes to God’s revealed will first
On your third item, it's a matter of not attending a mockery of a wedding, not a real wedding.
Right off the bat, what Begg said was unbelievably heinous advise. If he said go to an abortion party, or a pedophile wedding, or a CEO throwing a company party because their porn company reached its 10 millionth view on its streaming platform, then it would be just as heinous.
But afterward, he’s demonstrating a serious lack of humility in showing all who follow him a perfect example of how to not take correction. It made me sick in my stomach when he was saying he won’t repent, and his church was applauding. You KNOW that there have to be godly Christians in that congregation that now feel alienated for standing on the Bible.
I feel like Christians are scared to death of looking hateful, but if you have a heart for God’s glory, then you will stand against what Begg has said with a passion, because he stands condemned.
But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
- Galatians 2:11
I would leave his church right away and not clap for him/
If it is "his church" I would not have joined it in the first place.@@EricPurkey
@@donblosser8720 Thank God I never went to his church.
His quick response?!?!? What about all the influencers?! My gosh! No one waited long enough for Alistair to respond!!!! It's no wonder that when he talked the congregation he pastors he seemed angry, hurt. I would too!! Being tried and convicted on social media without someone speaking to me first!!! C'mon!
I agree 100%. Very sad.
Agreed, the social media scrum pouncing on Alistair are like legalistic hyaenas, casting stones as if they themselves have no sin. Give Alistair time to calm down, think it through. Pray for him, dont beat him relentlessly.
False he tripled down and has refused to repent he’s had 3 opportunities now.
1. Radio station removed him
2. His sermon response
3. John MacArthur removing him from shepherds conference
When I first heard Alistair Begg's advice, I disagreed with it. Then the absolute firestorm of response began raining down and I was appalled at the snarky, condescending, disrespectful tone 99.9% of the people who felt compelled to comment took. I think that's exposing a real problem in Christianity. Todd - thanks for being in the 0.1% that didn't show up with a torch and a pitchfork.
I disagree with you. I have read thousands of comments and found the opposite to be true. I was honestly surprised by how few were anything but grieved and overwhelmed with sorrow. I don't know where you have been but it certainly is not where I have been.
I did not see what you described in the opposing viewpoints. Strong rebuke is not a torch and a pitchfork.
I have been positively impressed by the godly critics I have listened to. You must be finding a lot of outliers.
I came to this issue on the fence. Just not sure. But it was the godly behavior of those who disagreed with Pastor Begg that swayed me in their direction. I have witnessed nothing but kind, caring, and concern for Pastor Begg in the dozens of internet commentaries I have listened to who disagree with Pastor Begg’s advice.
Thank you. Amen! Heartbreaking.
I think he couldn't swallow his pride and say Opps I was wrong.
sadly I think you are right, because his "Biblical" response misses the mark ie no defence based on scripture
Yeah, I wonder too.
We should just pray for Alistair to see this the correct way. Even though he is a pastor, he's a human being and not infallible. He's our brother in Christ and we should pray for him.
Thanks Todd for standing for truth . Biblically stating a wedding is of God’s design not current culture. To attend is confirming sin. To continue loving the grandson is compassion.
This is by far the best response video on the begg situation! I really appreciate the love and compassion you have for fellow brothers in Christ! While many are tearing him down and saying he is preaching satans words, you gave a respectful opinion and words of wisdom back! Much love !
I’d like to offer a few considerations here to ponder:
Q: should we attend weddings of family members who lived together with their partner before marrying?
Q: should we attend weddings of family members who are marrying the affair partner they left their former spouse for?
Q: what does scripture say about how we are to socialize with the unbeliever verses the professing believer who has chosen a life of sin.
Thank you! We need truly deep biblical sermons on these issues! "My people are destroyed by a lack of knowledge.'
Yes.
No.
A wedding is always about the union of Christ and his church. And the directive in that instance is what Romans 1:32 says.
When we love another, the person we are to love is the Lord Christ. The face we are looking into is Christ's. He would avert his eyes in this instance.
exactly my thoughts! There are a lot of things the bible says that we shouldn't do or associate with but we do anyway. My sister married someone who is an unbeliever, a pastor friend of ours said we should shun her🙄. Did we, no, does that mean we condone her choice, no, she knows our stance and she herself knows better. She has to answer to God for her actions and we have to answer to God for our actions.
1 Corinthians chapter 5
Yes, because they obviously repented and did the right thing. Absolutely, yes.
More important than what Alistar Begg said is how he said it and his reasons. he essentially said that if you don't go then you don't have the moral authority to speak the Gospel into their life. That's affirming the arguments of LGBT against Christianity and is utterly false.
It's beyond false it's demonic. The devil is crafty.
"All I could think was how to help this grandmother not to lose her granddaughter who has publicly turned her back on God and on God's design." - Alistair Begg, 2024
"My concern on racial issues is that I do not drive our grandchildren into the arms of the LGBQTIA issue, where already our younger people don't want to touch that issue, because they know that immediately it marginalizes them." - Ligon Duncan, 2019
"I'm afraid we're going to lose an enormous number of evangelicals to various kinds of social gospel because that's a lot easier to find satisfaction in than evangelism." - Al Mohler, 2019
These are statements that hold in common a fear of either a) not being able to share the gospel with a young generation or b) a younger generation leaving the church. Neither of those concerns is legitimate if a) God saves those whom He wishes and b) He preserves those who are genuinely saved. We have an aging era of Christian leaders who are unhitching their practice from their biblical interpretation.
The problem is they are loosing people to the world, but also modern day churches lead by coaches instead of Pastors that will NOT preach sin and repetance. So, they compromise. Sad.
If pastors should step down every time they give a bad counsel, we would be without pastors.
A good pastor is willing to listen when others give him advice that is biblical.
leading some one to sin is worse than sin, sadly he refused to repent. let's pray for pastor Begg
Allistair is not repenting, and is now trying to justify his response. So many scriptures tell us we are to be kept apart, we will have to choose HIM over our family, etc. Based on Jesus not doing miracles in his own town is a prime example that we are probably not going to reach our loved ones as well as a stranger or friend. If the grandmother went, she compromised and Allistair has stumbled. We all stumble, we just don't expect it from pastors like Allistair.
I think if he repented we would be overjoyed. It takes so much humility and we humans aren’t good at that. If Jesus humbled Himself so should we. He was perfect but He showed us how to behave.
It's not just a stumble...it's a full blown acknowledgement of a supposedly committed Pastor, that it's okay to accept darkness with joy.
@@gracepilditch9388 exactly.
@@sojourning7 I think he was concentrating too much on the relationship of the grandmother losing her granddaughter, instead of what scripture says, which puts him in error. He doesn't agree with the lifestyle, so it doesn't seem he's gone "full blown acknowledgment", but he does need to repent publicly, per scripture.
wolves among the flock...
Yes, how can we show our support in love when vehemently, ( biblically) we are against such a choice. You can love the person and hate what God calls a grievous sin.
I cannot honor their choice by attending their wedding. However, I can continue to love them and pray for them- even be in their presence.
absolutely. i love my bro in law but doesn't mean ill support a life style by attending a wedding of same sex practices.
Amen!
curious, will you invite them over for Christmas dinner? or recognise their hypothetical child as you niece/nephew?@@larrybarnett5799
Thank you for handling this issue so respectfully! I’m super disappointed at Alistair. May God show him his errors and lead him to repentance. His advice is deadly especially for those who are babes in Christ.
The beloved Allister Begg is not the first one to confuse a lost sheep and a prodigal son. A lost sheep is someone you chase after. A prodigal son is someone, whose return you carefully watch for.
So well said! Truth does not change based on context. And I agree. The most important thing is what the Lord want, not preserving the relationship.
We as Followers of Lord Jesus are not compassionate for darkness....darkness is involved here.
I enjoyed listening to how you walked us through this and gracefully rebuked Alister in love and truth.
Thank you for such a loving truthful view on our beloved Pastor Begg’s comments on this issue. I agree with you wholeheartedly!
Nope
Alistair Is proof that we can have too much compassion sometimes and it will override Godly principles.
Exactly amen!! As a evangelist and missionary i see this all the time in ministries
Maybe. But if I err between truth and love, I prefer to err on the love side since we are to be known by our love.
You are creating a false dichotomy. The most loving thing we can do is share truth with those walking in error and lies. There are consequences for living in such a way, both in this life and for eternity. @@andrealmoseley6575
I don't think I would put it that way. You are creating a false dichotomy between truth and compassion.
Mark 6:34 "When Jesus went ashore, He saw a large crowd, and He was moved with compassion for them because they were like sheep without a shepherd; and He began to teach them many things."
Christ's compassion was often demonstrated in healing the sick and feeding the hungry but also in teaching truth to the ignorant.
@@andrealmoseley6575 Is it love to allow people to continue in error that would lead them to hell?
Thank you for this thought out heartfelt response to Pastor Begg. I really appreciate that clarification on the parable and " conviction" vs "condemnation. " I've been in situations like this before and just did not want to disobey The Lord. I knew it wasn't right to be a partaker of certain events but now I see why. Thank you for explaining this to us. I don't think it is pleasant for anybody to reject an invitation. But we have to if we are followers of Christ and the situation is one as we see here. Again many thanks for your your godly insight Pastor Friel!!!!
Todd by far the best response!!! Can't wait to see your part 2.
Thank you for explaining this. I knew she shouldn't go but did not have a good explanation why. In one sense, I am glad this happened. Sharpen my senses on this matter.
Also it's a reason why we need to read and study our Bibles!
In this specific situation Begg does not see the grandmother's attendance as affirmation, and THAT specifically is what the disagreement is here. He has historically and still does fully acknowledge the biblical understanding of marriage (alone). Pastor Begg believes that as long as the grandchild clearly knew her stance, then attendance is not affirmation but instead a way to show the pursuing love of Christ. Also stating that in a different scenario, with a different person, he may have advised to NOT attend. Both sides of this discussion are acknowledging sin and agree that it should NOT be affirmed, however in this scenario they disagree on what actions actually constitute affirmation. I personally do not think I agree with Pastor Begg's opinion that you can attend such a ceremony without it being affirming, however I'm also willing to show him grace, and am not willing to toss out his teaching & leadership based on this one difference of opinion. If this was about actually accepting/affirming such marriages, then that would be a different story.
Begg needs the most basic reminder - flee from sin
A very thoughtful, caring, level-headed, biblically sound response. Thank you, sir.
Thank you for clearing this up. The Word can so easily be twisted to confirm what we want to believe. ❤
But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong.
Galatians 2:11
Paul opposed Peter for NOT associating with Gentile believers. This verse does apply to the situation.
For such a brief comment there seems to be multiple levels of confusion. Did you mean to say, This verse does/ or does not apply?
I think it does apply as a matter of principle, the principle being that we need to speak up for the truth, even when it publicly may make someone uncomfortable. As Peter himself acknowledged earlier in Acts, it is better to please God rather than man.
@@ZMZMNC
@@donblosser8720It really doesn't. The relationship Paul had with Peter is way stronger than some of the people may think they have with whomever they are about to accuse. Also, Peter was a leader of the people of God, he was a preacher, his conduct was testimony to be observed. It does not really apply in every circumstance to everyone.
You absolutely nailed it Todd.
I have been attending PS for over 2 decades. Pastor Begg has been instrumental in my Christian growth and maturity. I'm forever, eternally grateful for his guidance/teaching. From the get go, I was in disagreement with Pastor Begg's decision to encourage the attendance of the wedding in question. I'm in complete agreement with Todd's assessment of Pastor Begg's error. My opinion, at some level, pride is involved ...the bigger they are, the harder they fall. He who is without sin, may he cast the first stone. We will continue to keep PS and Pastor Begg in prayer.
I am glad to see so many commenters here holding fast with the truth!
The missing question is, "would Jesus go to celebrate the same thing?" This isn't about what people think about us but what they think about Christ. Unfortunately we are seeing a rise in people who are more like Ahab and just want a prophet that speaks only good things having no actual interest in worshipping Jehovah. They want compassion for their cause but not for righteousness that represents Jehovah.
Would Jesus go to the wedding of a non-believer? I'm struggling through this out loud. But would Jesus go to a heterosexual wedding of a non-believing couple that was having premarital sex?
Jesus would definitely go to a wedding of someone who had been living in sin but who understood and was repentant! I don't know whether Jesus would go to a wedding where the person had not repented of the previous sin and was getting married in order to rectify the relationship. But I know that God does not condone, wink at, or encourage sin or celebrate it in any way. The difference between an unbelieving couple getting married or a heterosexual couple getting married who had been living and sin is that the marriage is not inherently sinful. The sexual relationship between a homosexual couple or a transsexual relationship is sinful on its face and should not be tolerated within the church or celebrated by christians.
@@kevinkent6351it is the sick who need the doctor.
Absolutely. That wedding was clearly perversion. No. Jesus would NOT have attended. Why? Because the Holy Spirit is convicting you now, who's reading this and telling you it's wrong.
Jesus would go to a heterosexual marriage because that’s Godly. It’s from God and of God. Jesus would celebrate marriage because marriage is Godly. Doesn’t mean Jesus condones the sin. Same way Jesus would seek justice for someone who isn’t a believer but is being dealt with unjust.
”Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?“
II Corinthians 6:14-15
2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Our prior pastor officiated an unbiblical wedding, used the same "the context" and "case by case" language. It was really just a refusal to admit a mistske.
It's situational ethics and pragmatism. Neither are Biblical approaches.
I'm glad that he is your "prior"
My prior pastor played the "I'm being compassionate" card to not speak up for the gospel or for the truth in God's word. It worked well for him, got him a new gig where he wanted to go.
Thank you for handling this with such humility and giving due honor while standing firm on truth.
The Bible says it’s an abomination, so why go to a wedding that God does NOT CONDONE?!!
And therein lies the issue. No semantics can get around that point, period.
Perhaps to object during the part when they say, “speak now or forever hold your peace.” 😂
Alphabeters ALWAYS forget the use of this one word. A strong word with no margin for discussion. They also forget Romans spread the condemnation to women as well.
@@Willowy13 It’s not that they forget. They just believe that the verses in scripture are referring to same-sex temple prostitution and have nothing to do with monogamous same-sex relations. (Not saying that to defend it as true, just explaining how some of them think).
There's a plethora of things in the Bible that are an abomination. How many of them do you commit?
I agree with you 💯 brother thanks 😊 🙏 👍 God bless 🙌 from Macon, Georgia
How often is this much thought given to attendance of divorced people's weddings?
I'm happy that you don't "cancel" him and just correct.
"Bear with one another"
“The ends does not justify the means.”
Yep. Because the ends AND the means BOTH belong to The Lord. 😉
Allister should apologize to the brethren for the insults he hurled at us. We love him, but he was quite harsh.
@@the11thhour77 Yes, it was bad. I just pray that in time, the Holy Spirit convicts him whether we get an apology or not.
Alistair was harsh!? Too bad snowflakes are invading the church.
@@backrhodeskansas suddenly we have a few thousand new biblical scholars
Thank you!
I am so glad that the link to Alistair's full sermon (46 minutes worth) is included on this page. I would encourage everyone to listen to that fully before forming an opinion about this respectful, but in my opinion, shortsighted, criticism. Alistair points out that his response and thinking on this are very nuanced, were designed for this one particular individual's situation only, and not a blanket recommendation for all similar situations. The above criticism seems to miss these points entirely. Also, the video clips from Alistair's defense are not presented in chronologic order, often distorting the context and full meaning of many of his comments. All should be aware of the gift the grandmother ultimately brought to her grand-daughter's wedding..... a gift wrapped Bible. That revelation comes very near the end of Alistair's talk.
Hey Todd,
Just wanna say that your conduct in this video was very exemplary of 1Tim5:1. You were very gentle and respectful in regard’s to Begg’s error. Despite his error, you were very respectful.
Thankful for you, Todd!!
This is why those that teach will be judged more harshly. When you get something as wrong as the advice to attend the fake wedding he's leading other people into sin.
What about the fake wedding of a divorced woman and a man? Should Christians be attending weddings of those unbiblically divorced?
Exactly
Exactly!
I Love Alistair, and you are correct Todd. Thank You...
Right on! The key is what kind of message does a professing Christian send by attending a wedding. How does one honor and please God by endorsing evil?
My sister is thinking she will not attend our neice's wedding, who is a Christian but fell and slept with her non-Christian boyfriend. She told us when she did that, sad that she let God down, but she wouldn't leave the guy. She just found out she's pregnant, and he's excited to marry her and raise the baby. But my sister thinks they should break up (I hope she never tells anyone that but me).
*I'm* thinking this is a situation like "If the unbelieving husband is happy to live with the believing wife, let them stay together," because they are *already yolked,* due to the child and becoming one in bed. The past is done - we can only support and nurture the future.
The wedding you are speaking of is changing sin into a God ordained commandment - marriage. Would I want my boys to marry a non-believer - no! However. The women is no pregnant, the guy wants to marry her, and we pray the husband follows Christ someday.
It's the snowball effect that I'm concerned about with Begg's advice.The LGBQ community will say see we have their blessing.
I just wrote the exact same thing. 🙁
Pastors are supposed to guard their sheep from the world. Now any members of his church who experience persecution for not baking a cake, creating invitations, or photographing such a ceremony will not even have their pastor standing with their conviction.
Allistair made it clear that he does not condone or give his blessing to such a union.
They are funding their own churches. Besides they are also taking over many Evangelical ones that were once Christians. The Catholic Church CEO Demon Pope literaly told priests to give blessings to it.
@@margrose5 Why do people go to weddings? To support the couple? To take part in a joyous event? To see love in action? To witness a sacred event?
What do people do when the couple is announced and the couple kisses?
Can a Christian do any of this when the couple is celebrating their vow to live an openly sinful lifestyle? What justification could a Christian have, even if they happened to be the sole person who didn't cheer and clap?
Ephesians 5:11 says not to participate in deeds of darkness. Few things are darker than making a perversion of a sacred institution God created.
Would you attend the marriage of a 30 year old to a 10 year old? How about incest? Bestiality? Why or why not? Why is one overt perversion of God's order acceptable to attend but others are not?
Attendance is implied approval or support. And just like we shouldn't watch p*rn, watching two men kiss us clearly sinful.
Thanks for making sure such an informative video and cautioning everyone to think, pray & not reacting without long suffering & continuing to pray for clarity!
God Bless you Todd. As always you explain so clearly and lovingly. I love Alastair, I truly do not understand how can he be so wrong on this. So sad
Thank you for making a very biblical, humble and truthful response. Hoping Alistair will see this and his conscious will allow him to reconsider. We should all be teachable and we should all remember that we aren't perfect and will find ourselves in error
Thank you, Todd, that was very sensitively handled. As difficult a situation as it is, to attend the wedding would be absolutely wrong, and I think Alistair is well aware of that. I think he dropped the ball which in itself is not an issue; everybody does once in a while. What is an issue, however, is to then double down and claim to be right even when you know you made a mistake. Alas, he's made a difficult situation absolutely horrible (probably) due to pride. I pray for him. He's a brother with such a long, fruitful ministry behind him and to undermine it now through stubbornness would be awful.
Thank you brother Todd for standing with Lord and His Truth and His Words. I know you have been saddened by Begg’s fall, so have I 😔😞😓😟😢. I was heart broken and I grieved for he has been my online pastor for 4 years. I have loved pastor Begg as I have learnt a lot from his biblical teachings. But if Lord has allowed pastor Begg to fail and to expose him as He is Sovereign over all things, I have peace after grieving for 2 weeks. I have prayed for Lord to grant pastor Begg His Mercy to repent and if he won’t, i asked Lord that He may have Mercy on his soul on That Day. Hallelujah. Amen.
Yes you are right, brother Todd. The false church that I was in for 6 years taught about legalism of the elder prodigal brother.
Oh really? That's interesting and more than a little concerning under these circumstances.
Thank you for this, it’s one of the best commentaries I’ve seen so far and I wholeheartedly agree that this whole topic in its broader sense needs to be dealt with. Every time I or a fellow Christian I know, asks of those in leadership “what shall we do?”, we keep getting the same lame answer…”you figure it out; it’s between you and your conscience”. Sorry but this is too important of a topic and we wouldn’t receive that answer for any other area of sin.
And look where that complacent attitude is leading us now!
I love Alistair and have always appreciated and trusted his teaching. My heart is very heavy & broken with all this. I’ve listened to his sermon from Sunday addressing this issue and listening again today, I was even more devastated & grieved to hear a man of his biblical knowledge, so utterly incorrect, defensive and misquoting scripture. 😢
I’m disturbed, that he’s basically said, if we disagree with him, we’re pharisaical, unforgiving and uncompassionate. I hate to say it but this is classic narcissistic behaviour! 😔 blame everyone else, typical “word salad” i.e take something completely out of context and make it fit your own reasoning & self justification. And… EVERYONE else is wrong!
How can Alistair, having walked with these many godly men, think that ALL of them are wrong?! 😔
I’m a nobody, a first generation Christian of the last 13 years with no professional biblical training and no theology degrees etc and I can clearly see that this doesn’t add up.
The misuse of the prodigal son passages in context to this situation was sadly, embarrassing and I cannot believe that if I, a simpleton can see that, that the godly men in that church aren’t in uproar about it instead of clapping him! 🤷♀️🤦♀️😔
He said one elder did. ONE elder?!! Has he really surrounded himself with that many ‘yes’ men?!!
I’m going shut up because I feel so grieved about all this, but will leave the following verses. Living life with unsaved friends and family, eating and drinking with them whether gay, straight or trans is NOT the same as joining with them in their sin….
1 Peter 4….
“Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God. For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.”
May God be merciful and quickly bring Alistair to repentance for His glory.
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Iron sharpens iron. Let God's will be done in all of this controversy. Alistair is an outstanding Pastor & I will continue to listen to him preach.