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Cliffe Classics #17 - Give Me an Answer
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2023
- Recorded - Fall 1997
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
#Evidence #Christianity #Jesus #apologetics
I watch these videos daily! Thank you Cliff and family 😇🙏
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The academic rigor is like Martin Luther who translated the bible for the first time into German.
Same with me and I just heard of him a month ago I’m loving it
I also watch these pretty frequently. I use them as training and study materials to use in the streets myself it helps to see how people think and how to respond
Forgot to say thank you so thank you and praise God for using you in a mighty way!!
Same here dude I'm from Newark, NJ I've been watching these since 21 years old two years ago. I love how younger Cliffe Knechtle in his Apologetics ministry addressed these theoretical questions. Especially about Jesus The Christ of Nazareth Yeshua H'Mashiac The Messiah in Hebrew) being God Almighty manifest in flesh or possibly being delusional but extremely intelligent and morally upright and ethical genius man because He could've been crazy, someone who actually believed what He claimed about Himself and God, a lying con artist or actually who He claimed to be. Cliffe representing Christ our Lord. Knechtle's Apologetics ministry preaching DA GOSPEL TRUTH. Many Atheists, secular humanists and skeptics are very intelligent and logical but shows how dishonest their position can be in changing his standards for evidence by shifting the goalpost everytime it comes to what their standard of God's Existence being supported by evidence would be. It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@@justingary5322 I read that whole thing very good. That’s enough evidence and reasoning for anybody to come to their senses of the existence of God. These are good seeds to plant 🌱 Stay vigilant my friend
This is crazy to think that Cliffe has been consistently in his claims and in his character even two years after I was born in 95 this is crazy awesome how God can use this man so consistently throughout the years hallelujah for God for blessing us with Cliffe Knectle
Yea, I’ve watched a lot of his videos, and he is EXTREMELY consistent
Cliffe has a-lot of common with John the Evangelist. I can picture the Lord smiling down on Cliffe and looking to his right and telling John “He reminds me alot of you”
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Amen!
Jesus himself said John was the Greatest man who ever lived
It’s always a good day when Cliff posts!
Normative good or God like good ?
Keep it up brother may God bless u with health n wealth in this world, regards from Africa Tanzania 🇹🇿
I watched daily n encourage me to reflect the contingency of apologetics mission in the world.
So amazing that last student said what's the matter with despair😢😮😊
It is sad someone would rather live with a worldview with no meaning but the one they give themselves or the fact that the world is just a big accident then to Want to know the one who created it all simply bc they can't see him.
@@shydalelewis3966 it's sad but an unfortunate reality of Satan and his little helpers. Satan literally sucks the meaning out of your life
You got that right. You wander why the suicide rate is so high. Hes making ways and reason for killing ourselves. People who dont know god are spiritually broken and he goes for those people ans sadly his plan work😵@knxcholx @@knxcholx
Watching this weekly for Newark, NJ since I was 21 years old now I'm a 23 years old Christian Apologist and teacher's assistant. This video probably from the 1990's or early 2000's shows the moral hypocrisy, depravity and decay of what is taught to our younger generation not just in churches, religious institutions but what is taught in Atheistic naturalistic and cynical settings. It's cool how younger Cliffe Knechtle in his Apologetics ministry addressed these theoretical questions about humanity, value and objective Truth and morality. Especially about Jesus The Christ of Nazareth Yeshua H'Mashiac The Messiah in Hebrew) possibly being delusional but extremely intelligent and morally upright and ethical genius man because He could've been crazy, someone who actually believed what He claimed about Himself and God, a lying con artist or actually who He claimed to be. Cliffe representing Christ our Lord. Knechtle's Apologetics ministry preaching DA GOSPEL TRUTH. Atheism ain't got nothing new or better to offer than the very religious beliefs it's critical of so it's hypocrisy at it's finest 😂. Hello this is for all you Atheists, unbelievers and skeptics. I'm going to address a few misconceptions and lies about God's Character and His Word. The Bible doesn't support chattel slavery or anything else Immoral. Ok so Atheists and unbelievers say God is either Immoral, incompetent or not responsible so let's see what The Scriptures actually say. God revealed himself and created a nation in a real, historical context. It was a world with a slave-based economy, with city states often at war with each other, with polygamous marriages to ensure the continuation of family lines. The laws of the Old Testament regulate this behaviour. Slaves are to be treated humanely (Exodus 21:11). They are given rights and not seen as mere possessions. Hebrew slaves were able to buy their own freedom. Human trafficking is condemned (Exodus 21:16). In contrast to the law code of Babylon, Old Testament Israel was a light to the nations. The Old Testament law and narratives do not stand alone. Jesus is now the best example of what we read. So the moral teaching of the Bible cannot be summarised by a quote taken out of context from the Old Testament to demonize God and His Word. Slavery was permitted in Old Testament law but it was regulated by God giving the Israelites instructions on how to fairly and humanely treat their slaves (it was like indentured servitude where someone could work for you if they owed debts or needed income not cruel like chattel slavery). God allowed the people of Israel to own slaves since they themselves has already experienced over 400 years of generations of Egyptian slavery and knew how inhumane it was to be beaten, overworked and taxed so God set them apart from other nations and cultures around them by giving them a fair way to treat their slaves since slavery had already existed in the world but it doesn't mean God condoned it just used it for His Will to bring Good And in the light of the whole scriptural teaching, we find the reasons for its ultimate abolition (Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1-3; Philemon 15-16 and Galatians 3:28). The Word of God provided the moral standard against slavery in the Roman Empire and against the slave trade in the New World.
But what of genocide or holy war in the book of Joshua? Several things could be pointed out. The use of warfare in the ancient world did not always mean literal total destruction, even when events are described in such terms. Furthermore, the book of Joshua does not describe a genocide. It is not a race who are being wiped out, as in genocide, but a religious practice which was often appalling and degrading. Those who repent (like Rahab from Jericho or Ruth) are not destroyed but become part of Israel. It is not the racial group that is in view but their "detestable practices".
However, after all is said, we must still acknowledge that God brought judgment on the nations of Canaan. It is not our place as believers isn't to sugar-coat the Bible. For some skeptics, this is enough to make God a moral monster. But the fact is that Jesus continued to affirm that God is a Judge who will bring a future judgment on all peoples and all nations. God’s judgment will be just. The list of Old Testament stories rejected by critics often leads to a similar dismissal of the New Testament teaching of Jesus on the existence of hell.
After all, what was the Flood of Genesis or the conquest of Joshua if not a glimpse of future judgment? Hell does not demonstrate cruelty on God’s part, but it does demonstrate His Holiness and our moral accountability. Perhaps this is the real reason many people rail against the God of the Bible? It is not that they think He is a moral monster, but that they are afraid He is a moral Judge, and that has implications for our behaviour now. God is an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being and we as His creatures have Eternal souls and spirits so the punishment for our sins against Him must therefore also be Eternal but so must the reward for righteousness that's why He sent His Son Jesus to live a perfectly righteous and sinless Life (which none of us could ever possibly expect to do) suffer the humiliating and torturous death of crucifixion to shed His Own Blood willingly so that all who willingly accept His gift of salvation by grace through faith in Him will be saved and given Eternal life because that's what God wants is for us to willingly accept His gift of salvation and choose life. Exodus 21:20-21 literally speaks about capital punishment befalling anyone who mistreats their slaves so yes people are taking Scripture out of context to demonize God who literally promises that slaves who are mistreated under someone else's authority is to be avenged. When we hear the word “slavery” we think of innocent human beings, kept prisoner for life, having no rights under law and so reduced to animals. This is clearly immoral because it is unjust: the slave has done nothing to deserve the treatment.
The situation described as “slavery” in the Bible was nothing like this. It is more accurately described as one of indentured servitude. Many “slaves” were indentured servants, working for a term of years
Some other “slaves” were prisoners. There were no prisons. Prisoners had to work to live like everyone else. Some had life sentences. Some served a term and were released.
People didn't beat their good slaves but treated them well and protected their assets thus.
But no matter how rebellious a slave was, you couldn't just beat them to death. And if you knocked out their tooth or damaged their eye then you had to set them free. (Exodus 21:26). God wasn't using what other nations did because He wanted to set His Chosen People of Israel apart from the cruel, inhumane and unjust systems other cultures had so He gave them a fair way to treat their slaves and servants.
There is a lot of ignorance on this topic which is understandable given the age we live in but it's not the nefarious set up we think of when we think of modern slavery. The question Atheists must ask themselves is how come the Jews aren't being accused of slavery and human trafficking if they're guilty of it in The Bible and why would white slave owners rip out pages from The Old and New Testament Scriptures to justify their owning blacks as slaves if The Bible already justified slavery?
Those poor children 🤦♂️
Thankyou for your teachings
The world needs Jesus moral leadership .You only need to see the questions asked by todays university students .
What's amazing to think is that probably most of these students now in 2023 have a totally accepting view of Christ now, and this interaction probably started it
I think the guy questioning about what’s wrong with despair wants for Cliffe to just accept that it is what it is, people are hypocrite, inconsistent and fickleminded including that guy as well but does not want to be questioned about it, and wants cliffe to be cool about it and just accept that fact. On the other hand, Cliffe is thinking that this is a an intellectual discourse, our beliefs should be challenged or tested in order to be true, but I dont think that guy is on the same page with him.
absolutely correct. the last guy clearly has no idea he engaged into an intellectual discourse and doesn't see how inconsistent he is, saying that we live in a purposeless universe and then talking about meaning and purpose and an ethereal being above, i was like what? totally clueless.
Always great to get a reality check with Cliffe. Arbitrary meaninglessness is the peak tenant of evolutuonary religious belief.
I saw in the first guy's eyes his desperate need of Christ just as I do. God help all of us
In reality if there is no God you are nothing more than that classic line in a movie, "you're food for worms".
God is one in Being 3 in person. Triune God has 3 persons. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. The student doesn’t understand this.
I've been learning about the trinity recently. Just makes sense.
God bless the Catholic Church for this infallible dogmatic definition. Many Protestant sects have denied and perverted this truth, but truth will out.
Love from Aus
Thank you ❤
>why are you laughing
Well a meaningless life IS a joke...
I love how younger Cliffe Knechtle in his Apologetics ministry addressed these theoretical questions. Especially about Jesus The Christ of Nazareth Yeshua H'Mashiac The Messiah in Hebrew) being God Almighty manifest in flesh or possibly being delusional but extremely intelligent and morally upright and ethical genius man because He could've been crazy, someone who actually believed what He claimed about Himself and God, a lying con artist or actually who He claimed to be. Cliffe representing Christ our Lord. Knechtle's Apologetics ministry preaching DA GOSPEL TRUTH. Many Atheists, secular humanists and skeptics are very intelligent and logical but shows how dishonest their position can be in changing his standards for evidence by shifting the goalpost everytime it comes to what their standard of God's Existence being supported by evidence would be. It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@justin ,keep it short and concise -you tube is not a good place for dissatertions ,good statement though.
Great breakdown man, people will continue to move the standard for God's existence because if he real, then so is the consequences for adoring a life of separation from him and I wish same as him for everyone to knows God's infinite Love and Grace
Amen😊
When people think of God i don't know why they keep limiting him to one body like us when he's God he's not limited
This poor kid is stuck in complete ignorance. May God bless him and bring him closer to Himself 🙏
May an black belt atheist find him and educate him on the arguments ⚛️
God is good 🙏🏼
The fellow in the brown shirt is describing the very first sin of pride.
Pride covers a lot of aspects of life denton, it's perfectly acceptable to be proud of things we achieve in life, if your daughter became a doctor who in their right mind would not feel great pride? I can think of a ton of things whereby I might feel rightly proud. If I worked hard to buy a new car, would it be wrong to feel some pride in owning that car and keeping it in good condition?
Maybe you're talking about a different kind of pride?
@bonnie43uk yes a pride of self exaltation, boastful, arrogance, to claim one is self-sufficient and in need of nothing, exalting ones self to the point of God, in need of nothing, yet breathing air given by God, eating food given by God, drinking water given by God, enjoys all things but never says thank you.
@@dentonhahn2907 self exaltation, boastful arrogance, ahh, sounds a lot like Mr trump, today has not been a good day for him.
@JacobOfTheOT I'm certainly no God Jacob, I have lots of faults.
@bonnie43uk yes, and not only him but our current administration and those who are trying to trap him, and for that matter everyone of us at one point or another.
If you believe that you live in a purposeless universe, then what's your purpose in trying to convince Cliffe of anything?
Right? What’s the purpose of students going to a UNIVERSity?
@@Theolaurus_RexI see what you did there with the caps ,purpose could be lots of things and is in direct proportion to our degree of understanding ,most living things within nature are there to perpetuate it and cannot cheat it ,while we have removed ourselves from it and question it -has intelligence created that state,has that state created us ,or were we created ,how far back do we go.
@@ericscaillet2232but the thing is, there’s no purpose with randomness
my brothers and sisters in god who ever read this i am asking everyone to pray for this guy that he may succed in pusuing our fellow brothes and sisters who have doubt to believe in our one true god.
I pray this in jesus name amen.
@askcliffe where can i watch this full video
The end of this video was very unsatisfying! Cliffe allowed that young smart mouthed child to swat him around like a ping-pong ball with a smirck on his face the whole time!
So you want all to just bow down ?, maybe the vid got cut short
I want to go to his church but it’s almost a 10 hour drive
How can we have faith in Jesus and not in His teaching? See 1:28 please give clarification. Bc all that He says we should do and obey, isn't it?
i maybe wrong but i think he means that because of how Jesus lived(not sinning) he was the perfect sacrifice for the punishment that we deserve from a holy GOD
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Can anybody tell me why Cliff always has on blue. Bc he has on red in this one and I never knew why he always wears blue? Nothing wrong with it.. just wondering
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Origin, meaning, morality, destiny, order, logic, reason, sense, beauty in REALITY is only consistent, cohesively explainable in Christianity verified:
1)supernaturally prophetic (Romans 1:26-32/2 Timothy 4:3/Matthew 24:6/1 Corinthians 1:18 fulfilled in reality today)
2)historically (archaeologically & anthropologically by Christians & non-Christians w/enemy/early/multiple attestation, internal consistency, embarrassing reports, etc.)
3)transcendentally/objectively moral (Exodus 20/Matthew 22:37-40)
Repent & trust in Christ (Mark 1:15) before its too late (Hebrews 9:27), eternity is a LONG time to be wrong. May the triune, infallible, omniscient God bless you with faith in Him, not fallible man’s limited guess of rebellious theories (Romans 1:18)
Rob, how long do you think human beings have been on this planet?, if you wanted to find out the answer to that question, what would be your best source to attain that knowledge?
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Why are you trying to change the subject, Bonnie? Because that's what you do. You're a troll. You have no interest in the arguments made above. You only want to misdirect, obfuscate, and dictate the direction of the conversation and talk about things that cannot be demonstrated to be true, are inconsistent with what we actually observe, and have no real explanatory power nor scientific significance. It's almost like... (See Romans 1:18-22)
@@jessebryant9233 it's certainly not 'changing the subject' jesse, Rob mentioned anthropology and archaeology, hence me asking him how long does he think humans have been here?, does he accept we've been around in various forms for millions of years. What do you know about anthropology and fossils? What do you know about homo habilis? .. you have access to the worlds knowledge via your computer jesse.
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Yes, you are changing the subject... as usual. Redirect to Bonnie's preferred faith position-the you cannot demonstrate.
Wow
I wonder how humans survived before Christian morality
It’s Aaaaaamaaaazzzzinggggg 😂
Hello everybody I am currently struggling to accept the flood as it was presented in genesis, and am having issues understanding if it was a literal flood that covered earth or if it was a story with meaning. If it was a historical event I seem to also have trouble finding evidence to support it. I hope to get some help with this if anybody is educated on the topic my friends
Not very experienced in the topic but it was a literal flood historical flood I recommend you check out Kent Hovind.
@@walterluvsu8818 lokieleven2694 Also check out answers in Genesis // Ken Ham. I have struggled to wrap my head around this same concept and they have really helped me to grapple with it by showing evidence and putting it into perspective- (such as the life-size biblically accurate Ark-replica they built in Kentucky complete even with living quarters for Noah's family and the animals, and figures of all of them. I have visited a few times, and you can really see how it actually makes sense when taken seriously and not as some cartoon boat with giraffe heads sticking out like we often see depicted.)
There's nothing wrong with asking questions, having struggles understanding things and having doubts, I have loads of all of the above too and I only wish I could help answer your question but I can't.
I don't know if the flood was literal, metaphorical, a bit of both or maybe it never even happened at all, I just don't know. You will probably get some Christians on here who will say in response to people like you and me "do your own research" etc and that all sounds very well but whilst I'm sure they mean well, it's pretty vague because "doing your own research" can mean anything. It will mean different things to different people.
For example, it could mean everything from looking at tons of videos about the subject matter online to going around the world and talking to different people about the subject, that all comes under "doing your own research" and plenty of people have already done that and whilst they might have 'answers' they don't all agree on those supposed 'answers', so how are they REALLY answers? Those so-called 'answers' are probably adding to the confusion rather than helping resolve it.
For what it may be worth to you, what I can tell you is you're not alone, many others are asking the same questions and I hope that knowing that might be of some help to you rather than maybe thinking it's just you, because it certainly isn't just you. Best wishes.
The story of Noah {Nuah} and the Ark is an allegorical story and should not be taken literally.
The Ark is the Argha or feminine principle and Noah is spirit falling into matter.
When Noah {spirit} descends upon the earth he plants a vineyard {Gen.9:20-21} and becomes intoxicated or spirit becoming intoxicated when trapped within matter.
This is a repeat of Genesis chapter one, thus: "and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
1 - Noah {Nuah}: Means divine permutations of the saviour of humanity who carries in his Ark the germs of all living things.
2 - Ark {Argha, Arca, Arg}: Means
chest; covered basket; enclosed receptacle; womb of nature wherein are preserved the seeds of preceding ages which unfold into a new system of human development; female generative power; navi-form {boat-shaped}; crescent sidereal vessel, in which, the germs of all nature float or brood on the abyss.
The ark, in which are preserved the germs of all living things to repopulate the earth, represents the survival of life and the supremacy of spirit over matter through the conflict of the powers of nature.
In Short -
Each round of human existence is a new system of human development (evolution).
1) Adam was a round (cycle) of human development; whereby, the earth was populated, reached its epitome, and was destroyed by man because of material sin (gain, corruption).
2) Noah was a new round (cycle) of human development; whereby, the earth was repopulated.
3) Seth (few chapters later) was a new round (cycle) of human development.
Seth means: Man (mankind).
Enoch (Seth's son) means: Son of Man.
4) Everything (including the universe) is eternal and cyclic. It has its birth, youth, old age, and death; whereby, the cycle begins again (rebirth, resurrection).
you are free to believe anything you wish lokie, but it's good that you question something that you're struggling with, I can remember being ridiculed as a kid by another slightly older kid saying that I believed the Noah's Ark story, i think i would have been about 8 or 9 years old. It's something that stuck with me for years. The older I've got, and the more knowledge I've attained, particularly regarding the age of the Earth has confirmed my own suspicions that the flood story is exactly that.. a story, it has no basis in fact. Science and the scientific method has a pretty good track record of uncovering the truth. It's good to question things 🙂
I want to have a 1on 1 with cliffe or u stewart🙂
Same!
Look him up. Call him, write him a letter. Attend the church he pastors if you like. Take him out to lunch afterwards.
@Jesse Bryant more of a discord chat, and a call doesn't really get my point across, even so idk that number, im also over like 100 Mile's away so I wouldn't be able to attend
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Well then, I guess you're plumb out of luck.
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Where in this video has any of the students said "my life is meaningless". We all assign values to our lives in lots of different ways.
That's right, Bonnie. Folks make stuff up-tell themselves stories all the time. But only if the Bible is true does human life have any real value at all. You're not valueless, Bonnie, there is no need for you to merely pretend.
That's right Tom, and besides, even if we could all agree that if there is no God then life would be ultimately meaningless, that STILL doesn't tell us whether or not a God actually exists. I know many Christians might say "hey, but you can't live that out, John".
And they would be correct, I can't live it out but whether I or anyone can live it out or not still doesn't tell us whether or not it's true. Maybe there is no God and maybe life is pointless and we as thinking creatures are simply unable to fully face up to this, I grant that I can't but us not being able fully face up to it wouldn't change the fact of it.
If there is no God and life is meaningless then there's nothing you me or any of us can do about it, other than bury our heads in the sand and I can't blame anyone for that, when I'm doing it myself. Who wants to believe life is meaningless? Of course we don't want to believe it...but maybe...just maybe that is the grim reality.
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You -
But only if (only if . . . only if) the Bible is true do we have meaning.
Me -
1) The Bible is true, and because of that, I've had meaning my entire life.
2) I recently found out that the Bible isn't true; but, I've spent my whole life thinking it was true, and because I thought it was true (when it wasn't): I still had meaning my entire life cause I thought it was true.
3) So . . . if you lived your entire life thinking that the bible was true, and on the day you die you find out the Bible wasn't true, does that mean you didn't have meaning while you were alive.? Cause, you're the one who said: only If the Bible is true.
You -
Well . . . when you think the Bible is true; then, you have meaning, but when, you discover the Bible isn't true; then, you have no meaning.
Me -
Thanks Jesse . . . you've just admitted, that what we bind (here on earth), is what we are bound by (here on earth). Every individual gives value to his life by what he believes.
Never let anyone ever accuse you of being smart. Lmfao.
John, you could live it out John, but you lack the courage. Your instinct for survival and your own desire not to be a victim yourself makes you hope -and- -pray- that others share your feelings and preferences and will "agree." But then, IF the God of the Bible is THE GOD and you are accountable to Him (which makes what you think in feel in general, rational), there is, thanks to His mercy and grace-His sacrifice, something that YOU can do about it, by accepting the more rational view, acknowledging that you've fallen short morally, and bend the knee to Jesus.
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See, all you can do is be facetious and yet... Keep showing up here each week to troll because your life is so meaningless and boring. Dude, go outside, help your neighbor, do something constructive for a change.
Petition to get cliffs on Pints with Aquinas!
What are pints with Aquinas?
@@ericscaillet2232 A Catholic podcast
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He wouldn’t have to choose cuz Coca-Cola makes Sprite 😂😂😂 Seriously though. Great thought provoking conversation. There is a God and Jesus did die for us. I’m convinced! If not….we’re without purpose.
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
Cliffe's examples are so clear enough and this guy still doesn't understand.....
What example do you think best explains things ?
Numbers 6:24-26,
Deute. 28, Joshua 1:7-8
Matthew 6:9-15 & 12:31-32
Romans 10:9-13,
11 Peter 3:9,
"What's the matter with despair?"
Seriously dude, you're defending the state of despair in one's life?
The bible says all know God through creation and for me it was true as i believed in God since i was a child even though all i knew about him was from bad dreams where i would call on him uncontrollably where then i would wake up.
Yet, not all have faith in the bible which i am extremely privileged after having a supernatural experience when i put my hand on a nkjv bible my brother gave me. I heard about the manuscript and archaeological evidence and i wonder if there's more evidence for the bible.
How do you know the difference between a supernatural experience and a delusion of a supernatural experience ?
@@jasonnoble7302a delusion represents one's confusion -the other begins to guide you.
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Why can’t a delusion guide you ?
To be SAVED according to our apostle Paul, you must BELIEVE/ TRUST that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins,was buried,and rose again on the third day,and He Shed His Blood as payment for all of your sins forever,( you personally).Romans 3:25” Faith in His Blood”.
20:39 The Bible doesn't say all goodness and morals come from the sky, they come from the Father, Son and Spirit which are and inside and outside of us, because we are all one people and we are all one with God.
John 17:20-23
Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- 23 I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
I follow my king Jesus christ...up to you follow your money hahahaha.....simple..
I put my faith in the Church can’t love ❤️ what you do not know you don’t leave the church because of Judas, you show loyalty to Jesus and eat the bread be well fead be the lead, and eat the bread like Jesus I’ll be raised from the dead it’s the only reason to get out of bed I said what I sad Get out of your head lol 😂
The reason why Antioch was first called a Christian was that Paul did not want to mention the name of the Messiah but used the Greek hero's name, Christ, instead of the name of the Messiah. That is, Paul's words, I planted, and apollos watered, are true. that is the Christian religion. The Messiah said that every tree that is not planted by the father will be cut down. Paula's planted Christian will be cut down. He Christianity, which does not want to keep the Lord's Sabbath, but wants to keep the Pope's Sunday, will be cleansed by the fire of the Lord. If you want to be saved, keep the Sabbath and abandon Paul's Christianity. We have only a short time left.
Regardless of how smart these students are, they still can't understand what the point of life is.
Oh really
What’s the point of life and how do you know ?
I think you did slightly more poor in this debate then you’ve done in the past Cliffe, but still great just not excellent lol
the asian kid's coming from the place of absurdism, which is that regardless that life has no meaning, we try to find meaning regardless. However, like in it's title, it is absurd to do so.
Wats the point of life we get sick and die anyway
I’m
Here is an important answer that Cliffe is missing.
The word for "eternal" hell is aion and can just mean age. In Matthew 24 the disciples ask Jesus what will be the signs of the end of this world. World is aion here. So you gotta keep in mind that certain people had motives geared towards keeping people afraid of burning forever and making you pay $ for your own salvation. Luke 16 mentions a gulf. There is a good side and a bad side. Think to yourself. How could we enjoy heaven if all of the goody goodies are on one side and right next store there's a boiling pit of lava where people are not just burning for billions of years, but trillions upon trillions of years. How could a loving God allow that? And how could we enjoy heaven if one of our loved ones didn't make it? No, after the 1000 years they are blotted out. It's as if they never existed. Gone from our memories and gone from our lives for good. They burn up like fat to a spiddle and the smoke of their ashes go up forever and ever. Revelation 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”God is a consuming fire and I'm not saying He is that lake of fire, but he indeed can destroy the soul.
Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 1
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Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
@@JesusisGodandKingofkimgs i believe in annihilationism. The second death is the destruction of the soul. If people still don't choose God while in a spiritual body and in the millennium, then that's it. Lights out. There's no need for God to keep torturing people forever and ever. If you actually read what I said there is a scriptural basis for what I am saying. It all makes a lot more sense to me.
A christian, hindu, jew, muslim, an atheist etc. can agree murder is wrong.
The question is why?
B'c most christians, hindus, jews, Muslims, atheists etc. are sentient human beings
@@CJBlake-ym6ky why is it wrong to kill?
@@dentonhahn2907 Most human beings know that murder is wrong. Not b/c we read it somewhere. If you need a book to tell you murder is wrong, by all means, for the sake of everyone around you, believe in that book.
@@dentonhahn2907 btw, I appreciate the convo. Asking why murder is wrong, is like asking why is eating *hit wrong. It is self evident for most sentient human beings.
And the last kid waxed Cliff! He accepted everyone of Cliff’s premises of a life without meaning and Cliff still continued to straw man him.
Accepting a life without meaning is defeat.
He can't live it out is the whole point genius
@@ultracrepiderian he is living it out. It’s Cliff’s worst go to line ever that people can’t live it out. Basically Cliff is saying he, himself would completely ignore societal norms and mores and become a criminal. How sad his mind works like that.
@@boltrooktwo that why the reality is we all give our lives our own meaning. Choosing Christianity as your life’s meaning is the same as choosing to live for your family or anything else. It’s a conscious choice. Christianity or belief in a god doesn’t choose you, you choose it.
Any life without any meaning is null and void. Nice try though Sally.
This is complete nonsense. Cliffe is creating an imaginary character called "Jesus" that you are supposed to emulate by taking up your cross and denying yourself in the hope that a heavenly reward awaits you after you are dead and no longer exist.
I recommend living an ordinary life and dying an ordinary death having done your best to treat other people as you would like to be treated.
Yes, I hear you, and you'll get no arguments from me. Plus, I would add, even if this Jesus/God being (SOMEHOW) exists in some form that we physically made-up beings can't access, eg, outside of this tangible realm, and outside of space and time etc (which I'm willing to grant the possibility of for argument's sake), that's not much use to us here.
It's like if you claimed you had an invisible, intangible wife or girlfriend who exists outside of your space, time etc, again, even if she SOMEHOW exists, you will still be effectively walking, dining and sleeping in your bed alone. You will still be as on your own as if she never existed, so she might just as well not exist. You might just as well say "I have no wife or girlfriend", it would be utterly pointless to claim otherwise under those "she's invisible, intangible, outside-of-space and time" conditions.
I know some Christians might respond to that analogy by saying "oh, so you're trying to compare a relationship with a spouse to a relationship with God your creator?" but they would be missing the actual point of the analogy, which I'm sure YOU will see even if most of them won't acknowledge it.
The actual point, needles to have to explain it to you, of course, is that in BOTH case scenarios, they are intangible and indistinguishable from...NOTHING. Look, I would be willing to talk to God/Jesus and have a relationship with him if he really exists but what I am not going to do keep doing is talk to what seems for all intense and purposes to be empty air. That would be crazy, right?
And yet, that is EXACTLY what Christians (and Muslims) do all the time. They bow down and pray to effectively empty air whilst convincing themselves that the being they believe in is SOMEHOW there on some other level that we can't detect and they have nothing to demonstrate to the rest of us that there is really someone there, other than their own personal feelings that this being is SOMEHOW communicating with them as they pray. This is my whole problem with it. Thanks for your input here.
I love the first kid’s question! Where did Jesus say he wanted us to believe in Christianity? Perfect way of explaining how Christianity is just a made up religion by those who lived after their prophets. Cliff pulls out his regular smokescreen that he’s not advocating anyone follow a religion. His claim is totally fallacious. He is religious advocating a religion.
He said dont believe in "Christianity" so whats your point
U realize Christianity is called that because of Jesus Christ. (Christ)ian he said follow him. So if you follow Jesus ur called a Christian. Now stop with the straw man.
That's a very unconvincing and disingenuous argument that shows you don't understand Christianity and theism in light of Christ's Resurrection having caused Christianity by His surviving Apostles. I love how younger Cliffe Knechtle in his Apologetics ministry addressed these theoretical questions. Especially about Jesus The Christ of Nazareth Yeshua H'Mashiac The Messiah in Hebrew) being God Almighty manifest in flesh or possibly being delusional but extremely intelligent and morally upright and ethical genius man because He could've been crazy, someone who actually believed what He claimed about Himself and God, a lying con artist or actually who He claimed to be. Cliffe representing Christ our Lord. Knechtle's Apologetics ministry preaching DA GOSPEL TRUTH. Many Atheists, secular humanists and skeptics are very intelligent and logical but shows how dishonest their position can be in changing his standards for evidence by shifting the goalpost everytime it comes to what their standard of God's Existence being supported by evidence would be. It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@@blackhaze8233 Exactly 💯
What did Cliff say that was false or failed logic?
Was it Gods desire to have everybody choose him ?
Was it Gods intention to have all man kind choose to love him and choose salvation over sin ?
Answer: YES
Do some people not choose to accept salvation ?
Answer: YES
Can God make a not good choice?
Answer: NO
Was it good for God to create his creations with the kind of free will that he knew could and would choose evil ?
Answer: YES
Conclusion:
Everything that occurs happens because of Gods actions
God is ultimately responsible for everything that occurs
It's utterly impossible for any choice to be
NOT GOOD. You have no foundation to
complain when a child is raped or a person
is killed. You have no foundation to know
right from wrong good from not good
It’s seems as though Cliff is morally bankrupt
Bruh, you need wisdom 👍
You clearly need to do research in theology, history and investigation of religious beliefs and why people believe them. Christianity and theism in light of Christ's Resurrection having caused Christianity by His surviving Apostles. I love how younger Cliffe Knechtle in his Apologetics ministry addressed these theoretical questions. Especially about Jesus The Christ of Nazareth Yeshua H'Mashiac The Messiah in Hebrew) being God Almighty manifest in flesh or possibly being delusional but extremely intelligent and morally upright and ethical genius man because He could've been crazy, someone who actually believed what He claimed about Himself and God, a lying con artist or actually who He claimed to be. Cliffe representing Christ our Lord. Knechtle's Apologetics ministry preaching DA GOSPEL TRUTH. Many Atheists, secular humanists and skeptics are very intelligent and logical but shows how dishonest their position can be in changing his standards for evidence by shifting the goalpost everytime it comes to what their standard of God's Existence being supported by evidence would be. It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
In your statement you contradicted yourself. God made it possible for choice, for individual agents to choose between good or evil. So the moral responsibility is on the individual moral agent it is not God making each individual choice only making the choice possible. God informs people of there choices and gives them a set of “best results if followed” information. If people respect their source, purpose, and design guidelines like gender, marriage, honesty, bearing each other’s burdens, and other guidelines the best results do occur.
You have again put forth a scenario that criticizes something without presenting any alternative that is better, an alternative that allows individual moral accountability, an alternative where people having any value, something isn’t immoral unless there is some established value that is violated. You can’t claim something morally bankrupt without any basis for what allows for moral value or values that you can reasonably communicate. God as the rational source of inherent value can be coherent because an intelligent mind is the only possible source for things that are rational, if your mind doesn’t have a rational source, like God, and makes contradictory empty statements you’ve done something unreasonable. If you accept God as a foundation then people would not have to endlessly rehash what reason and logic is.
If god cannot make a bad choice then why does his perfect plan fail time after time in the Bible and he has to continue to wipe out societies and even the entire human race and start over?
@@justingary5322 Jesus had no contemporaries right about him nor did he right about himself. All those people mentioned lived after Jesus. Pliny the Elder wrote nothing about Jesus, and Pliny the younger never quoted his father as having wrote about Jesus. The gospels are written anonymously. Only later church fathers added names to serve their purpose. Even if their was a guy named Jesus who claimed to be god, it still doesn’t prove a god exists. There’s no historical evidence that could ever prove a god exists. BTW, writing so much at once is not an effective way of communicating your point on social media. Nobody has time for all that.